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10:02<LouWestin>^He needs to check his Apache config file. I bet he has an entry for www. Sub domain but not his domain name.
10:08<CEWS>:)
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10:49<linbot>New news from community: How do I use Object Storage form images/videos? <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/19164>
10:59<linbot>New news from community: How do I use Object Storage for images/videos? <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/19164>
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11:55<stephenplatz>I'm still having issues with putting large archives in my object storage bucket, getting RequestTimeTooSkewed. I'm using the cli, I'm wondering if there is a better way.
12:01<stephenplatz>Do I need to install and configure NTP locally?
12:02<stephenplatz>Or is this related to me being in PST?
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12:54<stephenplatz>Using the browser uploader, the error is max file size exceeded, but I'm wondering if that's an interface limitation, or a general limitation.
12:55<stephenplatz>If it's generally the case that files can't exceed 5G, then that's an easy fix.
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15:19<Guest9174>What hypervisor does linode use
15:21<Zr40>linode uses KVM
15:22<Guest9174>Okay. Have a good day.
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15:32<stephenplatz_afk>I've tried to put a smaller file there, same error.
15:34<Zr40>according to https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/object-storage/pricing-and-limitations/: "Individual object uploads are limited to a size of 5GB each, though larger object uploads can be facilitated with multipart uploads."
15:34<Zr40>running NTP is a good idea in any case
15:34<stephenplatz_afk>Right, I've just tried a 5GB file, but the error persists.
15:35<stephenplatz_afk>I wish there were some more documentation about possible issues, I've had to do a little searching.
15:35<stephenplatz_afk>Like having to use NTP
15:36<stephenplatz_afk>if that will even address the issue I'm having
15:36<Zr40>incorrect clocks can cause all sorts of problems
15:37<stephenplatz_afk>But is this because I'm in a different time zone than the cluster?
15:37<Zr40>no
15:38<stephenplatz_afk>OK, but how can I test the clock on the remote instance, to make sure that I'm out of sync?
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15:39<Zr40>why not test your local clock first?
15:39<stephenplatz_afk>Sat Nov 30 12:39:21 PST 2019
15:39<stephenplatz_afk>that's what date tells me
15:40<Zr40>how long did it take to copy and send?
15:41<stephenplatz_afk>not long
15:41<stephenplatz_afk>Sat Nov 30 12:41:23 PST 2019
15:41<stephenplatz_afk>just did it
15:41<Zr40>21:41:28 <stephenplatz_afk> Sat Nov 30 12:41:23 PST 2019
15:41<Zr40>I see 5 seconds difference
15:41<stephenplatz_afk>that's right now
15:41<stephenplatz_afk>I'll do mine again
15:42<Zr40>anyway, just run ntp and be done with that :)
15:42<stephenplatz_afk>Sat Nov 30 12:42:01 PST 2019
15:42<stephenplatz_afk>ok, probably right
15:45<Zr40>one thing to consider - if the remote instance is at fault, there would be people reporting this all the time. Yours is the first I've seen
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17:50<linbot>New news from community: Unable to connect to server after FirewallD setup <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/19165>
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18:21<CEWS><3
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18:47<dand1>will my account be disabled after some time without any servers?
18:47<dand1>will dns stop working?
18:48<CEWS>dand1: I had my account open for years without servers, it was ready and waiting for me. :)
18:49<CEWS>I believe they do not expire. :)
18:49<dand1>CEWS: sounds reasonable
18:49<dand1>thanks
18:49<dand1>just wanted to verify
18:49<Peng>dand1: DNS will stop working, yes. (Though your data won't be deleted, I believe.)
18:49<dand1>Peng: dns resolution for my domain will stop working?
18:50<dand1>Peng: that's pretty important. does it say it somewhere?
18:50<Peng>If you're using the Linode DNS manager, it will stop providing service if you aren't paying for anything
18:50<dand1>Peng: yes, I'm using the DNS manager
18:50<Peng>dand1: Second gray box on https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/manager/dns-manager/
18:51<dand1>thanks
18:51<dand1>good thing I've kept one linode
19:23<CEWS>Much difference between this?! - Not really familiar with hardware; AMD EPYC 7601 32-Core Processor vs Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2697 v4 @ 2.30GHz
19:29<@jyoo>CEWS: You should see generally equivalent performance between the two. Some individuals do have a preference, but we typically expect the performance to be comparable overall. This link might help: https://www.linode.com/community/questions/17255/are-all-cpu-cores-roughly-equivalent-across-linode-sizes
19:31<CEWS>No qualms with performances, you guys are top notch!
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19:31<jo_>hi
19:32<Peng>Hello
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19:32<jo_>do you guys support node.js on the entry level server?
19:32<@jyoo>CEWS: Thank you :D
19:33<AugustusCaesar24>i think anything would be supported since it is a vps
19:33<AugustusCaesar24>you can set up whatever youd like
19:33<jo_>Nanode Plans Powerful Entry Level Virtual Machines
19:33<@jyoo>jo_: Yep - if you can put it on there and run it (within our ToS, of course), you're welcome to do what you'd like
19:33<jo_>$5/month plan run node.js?
19:33<Peng>Yes
19:34<AugustusCaesar24>i recommend using nvm if you wanna install nodejs
19:34<jo_>is it cpanel?
19:35<AugustusCaesar24>i dont think they have any cpanels its all ssh and sftp
19:35<AugustusCaesar24>ssh is pretty chill though its not too hard to figure out but i think cpanel would be better
19:36<AugustusCaesar24>would be easier not better
19:36<AugustusCaesar24>if youre using nodejs you pretty much have to use a vps because there arnt much hostings for it and almost all vps use ssh and sftp
19:37<@jyoo>You can install cPanel onto a Linode first if you'd like. It would have to be a CentOS server as that is all cPanel supports. That said, we do have documentation that can help you get started with the command line if you're unfamiliar with it.
19:38<jo_>ok, i only have experience with cpanel
19:39<jo_>should i learn the commandline?
19:40<AugustusCaesar24>YES!
19:40<AugustusCaesar24>you will need command line everywhere you go
19:40<AugustusCaesar24>it is very important
19:41<jo_>isn't that like only used for linux?
19:41<jo_>i used window 7, and mac os
19:41<AugustusCaesar24>i think most servers you ever encounter will be linux
19:41<AugustusCaesar24>mostly because theyre free to use and more secure than anything else
19:42<AugustusCaesar24>windows servers are often more costly and have worst security because almost all malware is written for windows since they have the biggest share of computing world
19:42<jo_>so what is my next step?
19:42<jo_>I only have experience with cpanel, im trying to run app on node.js
19:43<AugustusCaesar24>have you written the nodejs and do you know all the programming and are you just ready to deploy?
19:43<jo_>no, im trying to get started on node.js
19:44<jo_>I used to developed app in php/mysql many years ago. But I stop and I wanna go back to web developement
19:45<AugustusCaesar24>download nvm for windows and then install nodejs lts and then do npm init to get a nodejs going and then start writing nodejs code and possibly use a framework for nodejs
19:45<jo_>what framework for nodejs should i get started on?
19:46<AugustusCaesar24>i think the guys at #nodejs would probably be better for that though or javascript because nodejs is javascript that runs on googles compiler called v8
19:46<AugustusCaesar24>the most popular is express and thats the one i got started on but later on down the line i started to think that i dont like how minimalistic it is and i wanted something better but havnt found much yet so im still looking
19:47<jo_>now...is mysql still a good database to used when running node.js?
19:49<AugustusCaesar24>it is but i like postgresql a bit more because its more advanced and can do more out of the box
19:50<jo_>should i just stay with php or move on to node.js?
19:50<jo_>i already know it
19:51<AugustusCaesar24>i say if its not for a big important project then try out nodejs and see if you like it otherwise stick with php if you have to
19:51<AugustusCaesar24>i like python django myself more than all of them
19:54<jo_>i guess the web development world has changed...since 2007
19:55<AugustusCaesar24>not as much as youd think
19:55<AugustusCaesar24>php still runs the whole world but there are things that can make life a bit easier and more advanced
19:56<AugustusCaesar24>mysql is still the most popular datasbase
19:56<AugustusCaesar24>jo_ dont sweat it too much and have fun! :)
19:58<jo_>are you a developed ?
19:59<AugustusCaesar24>yep
19:59<kharlan>just use a ML clojure lisp variant. :P
20:00<AugustusCaesar24>no i will use assembly
20:00<jo_>lol
20:00<AugustusCaesar24>lol
20:01<jo_>wow is assembly still a language people used now?
20:01<AugustusCaesar24>i learned arm assembly recently
20:02<AugustusCaesar24>i was gonna learn rasberry pi and cobol later but i really dont have to
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20:04<virtual>how do "learn raspberry pi"?
20:05<virtual>Is that like "learning ibm pc"?
20:05<AugustusCaesar24>i just watch videos online and read abuot it and when ready ill get a rasberrypi system and ill try it out
20:05<AugustusCaesar24>but again i really dont have to
20:05<AugustusCaesar24>i rather learn sql python deep learning and machine learning instead
20:06<virtual>"don't have to" or "don't want to"?
20:06<AugustusCaesar24>kinda both
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21:24<FluffyFoxeh>Does the Create Linode page on the new manager not show transfer limits for each plan, or am I just blind?
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21:32<FluffyFoxeh>Yeah, I don't think it does. Oh well, a minor nitpick :)
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21:34<FluffyFoxeh>Also, I see you can now add/edit RDNS for IPv6 pools. Yay!
21:34<darwin>maybe I've seen this asked (forgot) but is it ever being considered to add classic *BSD like OpenBSD (top server OS,) FreeBSD (another popular one) or even NetBSD (oldest continually-updated BSD) or anything similar?
21:35<stephenplatz>With the RequestTimeTooSkewed issue I'm having when trying to put files in my object storage bucket, I've made sure that ntpd is running and configured, but the issue persists. If this issue is somehow specific to me, I'm wondering how I can continue to debug it, any more ideas are appreciated while I also continue to look at resources.
21:41<Peng>darwin: FWIW, you can always do it as a custom image, but it's not officially supported and some features like backups may not work (because they have to understand the fs)
21:41<darwin>ok. How difficult is that? I might try it in the future but I'd just prefer it was available even if I never needed anything extra (probably don't)
21:42<darwin>i mean available as an automatic option...
21:43<Peng>There is a FreeBSD guide: https://www.linode.com/docs/tools-reference/custom-kernels-distros/install-freebsd-on-linode/
21:44<Peng>But it does emphasize that it's not officially supported. I'm not recommending it or anything.
21:45<darwin>ok
21:45<darwin>thanks
22:52<stephenplatz>OK, so it looks like the issue is affecting large file transfers, I am able to put 500M files without difficulty. I feel like there could be some documentation somewhere in this regard.
22:54<stephenplatz>I know that 5G file transfers is a general limitation for the linode-cli etc, but I haven't read any other info about request time issues with large files. I was in fact testing a 5G file and was still getting the error.
22:56<dwfreed>my guess is that linode-cli is not splitting the file properly for the upload; try using something like s3cmd
22:57<stephenplatz>I know that can s3cmd can do multipart uploads, but I shouldn't need that for files that are <= 5G, right?
22:57<stephenplatz>Maybe I should even test with a 4G or something
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23:09<dwfreed>stephenplatz: my guess is that there's a bug in the backend that compares the request time to the current time at the upload completion; doing it as a multi-part upload would avoid that bug, because each small part would complete in seconds
23:12<stephenplatz>dwfreed: ah, that's a good idea, maybe I will install s3cmd and try that after all
23:36<stephenplatz>Actually it's a real pain that I may have to use s3cmd, it's a lot more difficult to configure for linode object storage, as it turns out.
23:40<stephenplatz>Maybe because my distro provides version 1.6.1, latest is 2.0.2
23:40<stephenplatz>not sure if that's the issue
23:41<stephenplatz>considering version 2 was released on Jun 26, 2017, I had better update
23:57<FluffyFoxeh>Is the object storage in beta?
23:57<FluffyFoxeh>Sounds like it has some rough edges
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