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| 00:41 | <chesty> | i understand the need for a tos, and because of the complex laws and number of laws and jurisdictions it's unavoidable for the tos to be long and complicated, but i hate them. linode's tos isn't too bad in terms of understandability for non lawyers, it's still a long read with many opportunities for misunderstanding. |
| 00:43 | <chesty> | the tos for my local lotto is absolutely ridiculous in terms of length and complexity. I can't remember the exact time estimated to read, but to read and understand all points would be a days works easily |
| 00:44 | <virtual> | those poor lawyers, how will they feed their families |
| 00:55 | <FluffyFoxeh> | I'll probably throw what I wrote above into an e-mail/support ticket |
| 00:55 | <FluffyFoxeh> | because I am curious what the answer is |
| 00:56 | <FluffyFoxeh> | I could have been a lawyer. |
| 00:57 | <FluffyFoxeh> | I mean, I guess I still could |
| 00:57 | <FluffyFoxeh> | But I'm not really into it |
| 00:57 | <chesty> | Based on (7) readability formulas, we have scored your text:Grade Level: 15Reading Level: difficult to read.Reader's Age: College graduate |
| 00:57 | <FluffyFoxeh> | Computers are more fun |
| 00:57 | <FluffyFoxeh> | to me |
| 00:59 | <FluffyFoxeh> | Any document written to be very precise will probably score like that. |
| 00:59 | <FluffyFoxeh> | that's just my hunch |
| 01:00 | <chesty> | linodes score is actually good for a tos |
| 01:00 | <FluffyFoxeh> | Yeah, I don't find Linode's ToS hard to read. Well, at least not the previous one. Have only skimmed the new one |
| 01:01 | <@mtjones> | FluffyFoxeh: Please do! We'd love to hear your thoughts. You could also send it to feedback@linode.com if you'd like. |
| 01:01 | <chesty> | it still indicates to me all toses are problematic. I've seen a car park entry tos on a massive sign as you enter that would take 10-20 minutes to read |
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| 01:02 | <FluffyFoxeh> | They have to be precise in order to be effective when disputes arise. |
| 01:02 | <FluffyFoxeh> | Most of it is common sense anyway |
| 01:03 | <FluffyFoxeh> | But when someone has weird esoteric questions or requirements, it's there. |
| 01:05 | <FluffyFoxeh> | And if it ever goes to court, the reasonableness of expecting the person to have read and understood it is taken into account. |
| 01:05 | <FluffyFoxeh> | I think they're fine. |
| 01:06 | <FluffyFoxeh> | mtjones: Great :) |
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| 01:07 | <chesty> | oh, they do take into account how likely people are to read and understand it? that's makes it a lot better. |
| 01:09 | <FluffyFoxeh> | Yes. Like if it's excessively long and important details are borderline obfuscated in complex language, you can bet the defense will take issue with that and it could render it unenforceable |
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| 01:43 | <revechat> | hello |
| 01:43 | <revechat> | anybody there |
| 01:45 | <revechat> | hi |
| 01:45 | <revechat> | .............. |
| 01:45 | <revechat> | seems everyone offline here |
| 01:45 | <@mtjones> | ello! |
| 01:45 | <@mtjones> | Anything I can do to help? |
| 01:46 | <revechat> | @mtjones !!!! |
| 01:46 | <revechat> | yes sure. i am new here. particularly in linode |
| 01:46 | <revechat> | i was working to setup IP sharing with keepalived. facing some issues. it is not working as per expectation friend. |
| 01:47 | <@mtjones> | We have a guide on Keepalived that might help: https://www.linode.com/docs/websites/host-a-website-with-high-availability/#keepalived |
| 01:47 | <revechat> | yes i have followed everything reported there |
| 01:48 | <revechat> | i have 2 major queries here |
| 01:48 | <revechat> | 1. how to get floating IP . |
| 01:49 | <@mtjones> | The floating IP address is just an additional IP address added to one of the two Linodes, that is then set up for IP Sharing in the Cloud Manager. Open a ticket and we'd be happy to add a new IP address to your Linode to use with IP Sharing. |
| 01:49 | <revechat> | 2. Do we have configure ip sharing from both Node (Linode A and Linode B) if we think 2 node failover. |
| 01:49 | <@mtjones> | IP sharing will work the same if it's configured from either Linode. There's a guide here for reference: https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/manager/remote-access/#configuring-ip-sharing |
| 01:50 | <revechat> | or configure IP sharing only into main node |
| 01:50 | <revechat> | and also add Private IP or Public IP of secondary Node? |
| 01:51 | <@mtjones> | It depends on how you have things set up. With Keepalived I think you'd need a public IP address in most cases. |
| 01:53 | <revechat> | i am thinking very basic setup like if main server goes down or main server application stopped or dont respond, then it will be served from seconday linode instance |
| 01:54 | <revechat> | i am very new into keepalived and related things so dont know much. |
| 01:54 | <@mtjones> | It sounds like you'd need a second public IP address in that case. |
| 01:54 | <revechat> | great. |
| 01:55 | <revechat> | i have requested a floating IP but still not received from your end. |
| 01:57 | <revechat> | i have requested a floating IP but still not received from your end. |
| 02:02 | <@mtjones> | Let me know the ticket ID and I'll take a look. |
| 02:03 | <revechat> | sent you in private message |
| 02:04 | <@mtjones> | Thanks! |
| 02:13 | <revechat> | thanks a ton. one more query sir, i added public and private both ip of my secondary linode instance from ip sharing option, now i want to remove the private ip but it is not removing. |
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| 02:22 | <revechat> | hi Luonglam |
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| 02:32 | <revechat> | hi @mtjones, are you there |
| 02:37 | <@mtjones> | Hello! Could you update your ticket with which one you'd like to remove? I'll take a look. |
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| 02:40 | <revechat> | yes @mtjones i have replied over ticket |
| 02:40 | <@mtjones> | Thanks! I'll reply shortly. |
| 02:43 | <Lam> | Please check this ticket (# 13145815). I've waited so long |
| 02:44 | <@mtjones> | Hi Lam! I'll take a look in just a moment and myself or another member of the Support team will send you a reply soon. |
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| 03:04 | <Adam_Bartczak> | good morning/evening |
| 03:04 | <Adam_Bartczak> | i am looking for list of Linode var partners |
| 03:04 | <Adam_Bartczak> | anyone knows where to find it? |
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| 03:17 | <revechat> | hi @mtjones |
| 03:17 | <revechat> | are you there sir |
| 03:17 | <revechat> | i have sent you a reply again |
| 03:20 | <@mtjones> | Hi again revechat. I'm no longer working at the moment, but someone else from the support team will reply to you soon. |
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| 04:06 | <Lam> | Please check the ticket # 13145815, thank you. |
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| 04:24 | <linbot> | New news from community: how to configure a domain name step by step on a linode server platform <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/19221> |
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| 07:19 | <NgocBich> | Please check the ticket # 13146213, I have waited a long time, thank you. |
| 07:26 | <@rdaniels> | NgocBich: Thanks for the ticket number. I'm looking into it now, and I'll update you in the ticket. |
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| 07:46 | <NgocBich> | Thank you very much @rdaniels |
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| 07:50 | <@rdaniels> | You are very welcome! :D |
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| 10:46 | <linbot> | New news from community: Unable to use DENIC or .de domains with Linode DNS Manager? <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/19222> |
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| 12:09 | <wh1t3> | hey |
| 12:09 | <millisa> | greetings |
| 12:10 | <wh1t3> | oh |
| 12:10 | <wh1t3> | Really there are someone active?! |
| 12:10 | <millisa> | usually. |
| 12:10 | <wh1t3> | hmm this Is My first tíme here |
| 12:11 | <@rgerke> | Welcome! |
| 12:11 | <wh1t3> | is this better then Messenger or nah? |
| 12:11 | <rsdehart> | well I mean |
| 12:11 | <@pwoods> | This is a public forum |
| 12:12 | <wh1t3> | ik |
| 12:12 | <wh1t3> | what are you doing here?😂 |
| 12:12 | <@pwoods> | I work for Linode. Anyone with an "@" on their handle does. |
| 12:13 | <@pwoods> | I work Support, so I'm here for you. |
| 12:13 | <wh1t3> | yaay |
| 12:13 | <rsdehart> | pwoods: I'm going to guess wh1t3 followed a tutorial to get here |
| 12:13 | <wh1t3> | why I cant root my device? |
| 12:13 | <wh1t3> | how you know😂 |
| 12:13 | <rsdehart> | because you don't seem to know the purpose of this channel |
| 12:14 | <wh1t3> | oh |
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| 12:14 | <wh1t3> | it doesnt matter |
| 12:14 | <rsdehart> | and I know there's a linode-hosted tutorial that directs to this channel |
| 12:14 | <wh1t3> | ik |
| 12:14 | <rsdehart> | yes, you know that I know because I just told you |
| 12:14 | <wh1t3> | but every server I tried is off-line😂 |
| 12:15 | <rsdehart> | what servers have you tried? |
| 12:15 | <wh1t3> | #linux |
| 12:15 | <@pwoods> | wh1t3: If you've opened a Support ticket, I'd be happy to take a closer look. |
| 12:15 | <rsdehart> | that would be a channel |
| 12:15 | <wh1t3> | #nick |
| 12:15 | <rsdehart> | pwoods: wh1t3 isn't a customer |
| 12:16 | <cews> | Russian bots |
| 12:16 | <wh1t3> | hmmmmm |
| 12:16 | * | cews walks out. |
| 12:16 | <rsdehart> | er |
| 12:16 | <wh1t3> | I Am not russian! |
| 12:16 | <wh1t3> | I Am just a noob |
| 12:17 | <rsdehart> | wh1t3: this is the community chat channel for a server host |
| 12:17 | <wh1t3> | how can I root my device?I tried Everything |
| 12:17 | <cews> | root your device, as in, login as root?! |
| 12:17 | <rsdehart> | we don't know what device you have |
| 12:17 | <wh1t3> | it doesnt work |
| 12:17 | <rsdehart> | cews: probably referring to an Android mobile device |
| 12:17 | <dwfreed> | cews: I feel like he's not talking about a normal Linux device |
| 12:17 | <cews> | I thought that! |
| 12:18 | <dwfreed> | (Android is not normal Linux) |
| 12:18 | * | cews actually walks out this time |
| 12:18 | <wh1t3> | ohhh |
| 12:18 | <rsdehart> | I would have thought #linux on this network would have people in it |
| 12:18 | <wh1t3> | I am chatting here from termux and thats App for android |
| 12:19 | <wh1t3> | but i will download Kali linux on pc |
| 12:19 | <rsdehart> | oh dear |
| 12:19 | <wh1t3> | what?!😂 |
| 12:19 | <rsdehart> | that's my cue to pack up and get ready to go home |
| 12:19 | <rsdehart> | good luck |
| 12:20 | <millisa> | we mostly talk about linodes and linode based accessories here. |
| 12:20 | <wh1t3> | thanks |
| 12:20 | <wh1t3> | oh |
| 12:21 | <wh1t3> | btw do you know how to get ip address except Angry ip or those shits? |
| 12:21 | <millisa> | typing 'whatsmyip' in google usually spits it back |
| 12:22 | <wh1t3> | not my |
| 12:23 | <wh1t3> | I Mean |
| 12:23 | <wh1t3> | someone else |
| 12:25 | <cews> | ! |
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| 12:26 | <linbot> | New news from community: Can't make whois queries from IPv6 address <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/19223> |
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| 16:02 | * | Peng_ sees title, thinks "is it RIPE again?", clicks, it was RIPE again |
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| 16:04 | <cews> | why is coding such a pain, sometimes. |
| 16:05 | <cews> | Maybe not the right place - but whos scored a .IO? |
| 16:15 | <Peng_> | What? |
| 16:17 | <cews> | .io domain - if anyone bought one with their first name e.g? |
| 16:24 | <nuevu> | I have .io domains. Nothing to do with my name, however. What's your question? |
| 16:26 | <cews> | Do you find SEO is treated differently? |
| 16:27 | <cews> | I keep seeing .IOs at top results. |
| 16:28 | <nuevu> | Don't actually care about search engines for those, to be honest. They aren't the type of sites I'm trying to advertise. |
| 16:28 | <cews> | Ah okay sure thing |
| 16:29 | <nuevu> | You'll find that certain TLDs are more popular (very much a fad) in certain fields. If your searches are all technical, it wouldn't surprise me to see a lot of .io results. |
| 16:30 | <nuevu> | Anecdotally, at least. |
| 16:33 | <Peng_> | The .io TLD is colonial theft |
| 16:34 | <cews> | 114usd for 2 years |
| 16:34 | <Peng_> | If the fake country still exists in 2 years |
| 16:34 | <cews> | ~:) |
| 16:34 | <cews> | Br-exit. |
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| 17:03 | <@mcintosh> | /window scroll bottom |
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| 17:09 | <cews> | hihi |
| 17:09 | <cews> | can u see this. |
| 17:09 | <millisa> | yes |
| 17:09 | <cews> | scroll success |
| 17:34 | <packetcat> | whee for phising spam targeting Linode customers coming from Linode IPs, sent off another abuse report |
| 17:34 | <packetcat> | more* |
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| 17:47 | <linbot> | New news from community: Outgoing email from mail client failing <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/19224> |
| 17:49 | <cews> | Bad customers suck |
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| 17:57 | <linbot> | New news from blog: Launch: Linode Solutions Partner Program <https://www.linode.com/2019/12/17/launch-linode-solutions-partner-program/> |
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| 18:19 | <LouWestin> | We finally have an official partner program |
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| 18:36 | <packetcat> | :o |
| 18:47 | <linbot> | New news from blog: Launch: Linode Solutions Partner Program <https://www.linode.com/2019/12/17/linode-solutions-partner-program/> |
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| 19:02 | <FluffyFoxeh> | i c |
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| 21:09 | <warewolf> | linode ops: I just forwarded an awesome phish targeting myself from a Linode POV to support@linode, just as a heads up. |
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| 21:11 | <newdriv> | hello |
| 21:12 | <newdriv> | so our domains are secure |
| 21:12 | <newdriv> | but for subdomain we use wordpress |
| 21:12 | <newdriv> | and i keep getting UBH (united blanglasdesh hackers attack) |
| 21:12 | <newdriv> | and thus google search console warning |
| 21:13 | <newdriv> | i had reinstalled the backup |
| 21:13 | <newdriv> | changed the permissions |
| 21:13 | <newdriv> | at this point i just don't know how they are getting in |
| 21:13 | <newdriv> | any help |
| 21:27 | <newdriv> | anybody there? |
| 21:27 | <gparent> | yeah |
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| 21:53 | <nate> | newdriv: They're probably getting in still because 1) they breached before your backup (and as such you backed up their backdoor), 2) You haven't updated everything vulnerable on your install |
| 21:56 | <FluffyFoxeh> | Check shell startup files, init scripts, and anywhere else they could stick code that will run automatically |
| 21:57 | <FluffyFoxeh> | By shell startup I mean |
| 21:58 | <FluffyFoxeh> | .bashrc, .profile, .bash_profile, .bash_logout, /etc/bash.bashrc, /etc/environment |
| 21:58 | <FluffyFoxeh> | And probably others, especially if you use a different shell than Bash |
| 21:58 | <newdriv> | no bash |
| 21:58 | <newdriv> | but they are able to attack only one site |
| 21:59 | <newdriv> | not the other wordpress site |
| 21:59 | <FluffyFoxeh> | Ah, I missed that |
| 21:59 | <newdriv> | so i am assuming plugin are also the problem |
| 21:59 | <FluffyFoxeh> | Yeah, I don't know much about WordPress but I imagine the principles are similar |
| 22:00 | <FluffyFoxeh> | Find where they stuck their backdoor and anything that might be rigged to automatically reinstall it |
| 22:00 | <newdriv> | so instead of bash files, should i simply tighten the run permissions |
| 22:00 | <nate> | newdriv: ultimately you need to check the entire install for any backdoor code, then check the plugins for updates (and consider getting rid of any not updated in ages) |
| 22:01 | <nate> | otherwise they're going to continue getting in. It's probably not a bad idea to actually hire a PHP auditor of some sort |
| 22:01 | <FluffyFoxeh> | Tightening permissions is good, but it won't remove whatever they've added to allow themselves access |
| 22:02 | <FluffyFoxeh> | You'll have to check the install. There are ways to optimize that procedure (diff 3rd party components with known good - Fresh from upstream - copies) |
| 22:03 | <FluffyFoxeh> | Or you may consider rebuilding the installation and copying the website data over *after inspecting it* |
| 22:04 | <newdriv> | rebuilding wordpress sounds a better option |
| 22:04 | <FluffyFoxeh> | And if this kind of thing is not something you know anything about, I'd find someone who does |
| 22:04 | <newdriv> | the reason that we used worppress is to save time of our devs |
| 22:04 | <newdriv> | and focus on main thing |
| 22:05 | <FluffyFoxeh> | That's an option, but you *must* check over whatever you preserve from the old installation |
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| 22:08 | <newdriv> | would the googlel search console work if we simply remove the blog for some time? |
| 22:09 | <newdriv> | anyone with some experience with that |
| 22:09 | <FluffyFoxeh> | What do you mean by "will it work" ? |
| 22:09 | <newdriv> | so our main domain is showing phishing warning |
| 22:09 | <newdriv> | because of that blog. subdomain |
| 22:10 | <newdriv> | which is a wordpress attached bu UBH |
| 22:10 | <FluffyFoxeh> | If you remove the offending content, then I imagine the warning will go away the next time it scans, yes |
| 22:12 | <FluffyFoxeh> | Also one thing to check for when you rebuild the site, if you plan on preserving wp-uploads (or is it wp-content/uploads) is for unfamiliar PHP scripts in the uploads directory. |
| 22:13 | <FluffyFoxeh> | Or in any part of what you keep, really. But that just came to my mind. |
| 22:14 | <FluffyFoxeh> | The idea being that if they left their own scripts in there, they could visit them from the web and cause them to execute. |
| 22:19 | <newdriv> | ok thanks for the help |
| 22:19 | <newdriv> | i guess i would just rebuild |
| 22:20 | <newdriv> | and tigten the perssions avoiding all the plugin Hah :) |
| 22:20 | <newdriv> | i would have rather prefeered a regular site than wordpress at this point and time |
| 22:38 | <nate> | Then have your devs do that? If you literally have nothing but a static site with no dynamic need, it shouldn't be hard to otherwise convert it to a static site |
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