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#linode IRC Logs for 2019-12-20

---Logopened Fri Dec 20 00:00:32 2019
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00:23<abhi>i want vps
00:23<abhi>manage vps
00:23<millisa>Have you seen
00:24<abhi>but didn't find price
00:25<Woet>its right there.
00:25<Woet>Stop losing valuable time and money from downtime. Enroll in Linode Managed Service with no obligation or contract for $100 per month.
00:26<abhi>where is your servers?
00:27<abhi>I want server in India
00:27<millisa>That shows their datacenters
00:29<abhi>Mumbai India
00:30<Woet>abhi: why don't you spend less time typing and more time reading
00:30<Woet>managed is $100/month and there's a datacenter in Mumbai, as you can see
00:31<abhi>it's too costly
00:31<millisa>per linode
00:31<millisa>plus the cost of the linode
00:32<abhi>I want only 2gb Ram and 1 core cpu and 60gb storage
00:32<abhi>on manage
00:33<millisa>These are the plans they have: any one of them +$100/month would get you managed on it.
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01:06<FluffyFoxeh>What is a managed server anyway?
01:07<FluffyFoxeh>As I understand it, Linode's managed service is something different from whatever "managed" usually means
01:08<millisa>they talk about a little of the setup here - . you define services, contacts, break/fix instructions
01:09<FluffyFoxeh>Yeah, Linode's is incident response basically, right? I'm wondering what managed means outside of Linode (as it's sometimes implied that it means something different)
01:12<chesty>yeah, they just talk about monitoring it for availability and response time, they don't really say what happens if it goes down
01:12<millisa>there's a bit where you can put in instructions for a monitored service
01:14<FluffyFoxeh>chesty: "Linode actively tracks uptime and responsiveness for every registered system and service. If a check fails, our experts take immediate steps to get your systems back online as quickly as possible."
01:14<millisa>some managed setups will do more than server/service monitoring/response - handling the registrar bits, certs, working with development groups that will be using the servers, planning/change control.
01:14<FluffyFoxeh>millisa: Heh. I doubt you'll find anyone doing that for less than $100/mo
01:14<millisa>probably not
01:14<chesty>ah. it does say it
01:15<millisa>$100 for incident response, especially when you get to the bigger linodes is a steal since they throw in things like the backup service
01:18<Woet>FluffyFoxeh / millisa - you can easily find managed for less than $100/month
01:18<Woet>whether it's as good, that's debatable.
01:18<Woet>also, it doesn't mention which cPanel license is included.
01:18<Woet>solo? admin? pro? premier?
01:19<FluffyFoxeh>Maybe I was just looking too shallow (In fact I've never specifically looked for managed), but a lot of the offerings I saw were over $100/mo or "call us"
01:20<FluffyFoxeh>Love the "call us" price for things, myself :p
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05:07<conte>i want to ask a question
05:07<chonk_>go ahead and ask :)
05:07<conte>that i want to build a External loadbalancer with Virtual IP and keepalive
05:07-!-chonk_ is now known as chonk
05:08<conte>for examle: one Public VIP with 2 server on Linode
05:08<conte>does linux support it?
05:08<conte>or need to call linode API to switch floating ip?
05:10<chonk>conte: this might be useful to you:
05:11<chonk>i think it works less like one single floating IP between two Linodes and more like IP failover
05:12<conte>thank you
05:12<chonk>there's also this high availability guide:
05:12<conte>i will read it
05:13<conte>thank you very much
05:13<chonk>good luck!
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06:41<cps>anyone else getting phishing emails claiming to be from linode? fortunately like most they're not very well done :)
07:00<cews>I'm sure they're aware, although it could be off a different IP.
07:12<nate>Someone mentioned getting one in here yesterday I think, but I have not yet
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07:41<victor_>how much additional ip will cost?
07:43<cps>cews: will do
07:45<dzho>wow, so the link to IRC got pushed way down from the first page
07:45<dzho>which, you know, makes a certain amount of sense.
07:46<dzho>its much more contextualized
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07:59<cps>ok, abuse did not seem interested in the emails.
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08:49<@jcardillo>cps: we are interested in those abuse emails to help us track down the source so we can report it as abuse.
08:50<cps>jcardillo: i did contact abuse. they said they did not want me to fwd them, they were not interested.
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08:52<@jcardillo>ah ok. just speculating: i guess we received enough reports of it already to address it with the hosting provider. i dunno
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09:34<AlexMax>I noticed that Linode sponsors hugo development. Does it use it for anything?
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09:36<cyveris>Sorry about the bouncing. Client madness.
09:36<cyveris>blaboon: Hey!
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10:08<@blaboon>cyveris: o/
10:08<@bbigger>AlexMax: Yup! Our docs site is powered by Hugo
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10:31<@mcintosh>hu-go, girl!
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10:31<@mcintosh>...i'll see myself out
10:31<JamesTK>mcintosh: hi
10:31<JamesTK>mcintosh: what time is it
10:32<@mcintosh>did someone hear something? kinda sounded like someone who boo'ed me the other day, not sure
10:32<@mcintosh>must've been the wind
10:32<JamesTK>!point mcintosh
10:32<linbot>JamesTK: Point given to mcintosh. (22)
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10:50<linbot>New news from community: Why won't certbot renew my SSL certificate? <>
10:54<@mcintosh>JamesTK: it was 10:31 when you asked, now it's 10:54 :p
10:57<@scrane>INCORRECT! Timestamp of when you posted that said 10:55
10:58<@bbigger>oh? I'm seeing 10:54:57
11:15*mcintosh neuralyzes bbigger
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12:20<LouWestin>AlexMax: I believe they use Hugo for their documentation site.
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12:43<FluffyFoxeh>rip matrix
12:46<cyveris>matrix the network, or something else?
12:48<@mcintosh>seems like something just died briefly, they're all reconnecting
12:50<cyveris>didn't know matrix had netsplits
12:50<cyveris>Well, it is decentralized, so I guess it makes sense
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13:00<FluffyFoxeh>cyveris: looks like OFTC killed the bridge (perhaps accidentally)
13:00<FluffyFoxeh>actually I'm not sure, because the quit message starts with "Quit: "
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13:33<millisa>looks like i got the rest of my tos announcement mails between yesterday evening and about 2.5 hours ago
13:38<AlexMax>Wait, there's a matrix channel?
13:39<Zr40>I believe it's people using matrix as an irc client
13:39<AlexMax>Yeah, but how do you do that?
13:39<AlexMax>presumably there's a bridge?
13:39<AlexMax>How do I connect to the other side of the bridge?
13:40<Zr40>no idea, I just know it exists because I see people using it in various irc channels
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13:45<AlexMax[m]>Okay cool, you just log into a matrix server and `/join`
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14:05<Kristine>Hi, I'm deciding between Linode and KnownHost. Does Linode's Dedicated CPU Plans include cPanel?
14:05<linbot>Install cPanel on CentOS: Linode does not sell cPanel licenses, but it's provided free to Linode Managed customers: Or try a free panel like Webmin: Or just use the command line:
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14:08<Kristine>Thank you!
14:08<millisa>Sure thing
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14:27<AlexMax>And I'm back
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15:55<LouWestin>Mozilla is switching to Matrix from IRC
16:01<koenig>Yes they are. Their discussion threads about the various alternatives they considered is interesting reading.
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16:08<AlexMax>Yeah, it's why I decided to check it out.
16:08<AlexMax>Now my bouncer is down from 20-odd channels to like 7
16:09<AlexMax>hopefully soon I'll be able to shut off my bouncer and use matrix for everything
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16:11<FluffyFoxeh>I don't use Matrix, but I don't think the logging is as good on it? So I'm hesitant
16:11<FluffyFoxeh>IRC logs, and how simple they are to search and read, are extremely useful to me
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16:13<FluffyFoxeh>I absolutely can't stand the Discord/Teams/Slack way of using inifinite scrolling in the channel to see old messages.
16:14<cews>Although you can easily search?
16:16<FluffyFoxeh>On Teams the search tries to be "clever" and silently modifies and aliases search terms or shows a limited number of results
16:18<FluffyFoxeh>I suppose the idea is to be faster than grep, but it's at the expense of completeness and predictability, which is unacceptable
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16:19<FluffyFoxeh>Oh well, Matrix is open source, so these problems are fixable if it has them
16:19<FluffyFoxeh>(which is not the case for the other ones I mentioned)
16:22<FluffyFoxeh>I dunno. I need confidence in my tools. Fuzzy searching instills doubt.
16:22<koenig>Matrix has a server/client approach like IRC, so you can use a client such as weechat-matrix and it will work very near how WeeChat on IRC works for you.
16:23<koenig>Other users who want to use a client like will get an experience more like Discord/Teams/Slack.
16:23<FluffyFoxeh>yeah, that's what's so great about open source protocols
16:23<koenig>Yep, fully agree.
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16:44<Zr40>I for one like IRC just fine
16:46<FluffyFoxeh>Yeah, I have no real need to use anything else right now
16:46<cews>I use discord, a lot
16:46<cews>More than IRC
16:46<FluffyFoxeh>I more or less refuse to use Discord
16:46<FluffyFoxeh>because screw proprietary protocols
16:47<cews>Mostly Google hosted, mind
16:49<cews>CF and Google
16:49<cews>Just bought a Thinkpad.
16:53<koenig>I've been on IRC essentially constantly since 1990.
16:54<cews>I was introduced to the shady side of IRC back in 2000s'
16:54<koenig>I think looking at new things like Discord and Slack is just fine. I'm on one specific Slack group for professional connections. But I'm not a big fan.
16:54<koenig>I'm really hopeful that Matrix can become something awesome that might be a better IRC, but maybe I'm not convinced it's quite there yet. They're doing a good job.
16:55<cews>Linode have thought about starting a Discord though
16:55<koenig>I'd probably run a Matrix instance on my Linode in the semi-near future though.
16:56<koenig>Linode the company would be better (in my opinion) to stick with IRC for a small bit more and then start a Matrix instance when it gets just a bit more developed. It's really close now, though.
16:56<koenig>FWIW, I think federated services like Mastodon/Pleroma and Matrix and things like that are very exciting because they bring back more of a "federated Web" model.
16:57<koenig>I'd think that would be exciting to Linode as a company because people like me would want a VPS somewhere with good connectivity in order to participate in that type of world.
16:57<koenig>If everybody's just connecting to Discord, why would most people care about having a Linode?
16:58<koenig>If I worked at Linode, strategically I'd be encouraging all of those types of projects through documentation on how to set them up on a Linode VPS and by using them internally.
17:01<linbot>New news from community: is it possible to resize from a Standard Plan to a Dedicated CPU plan? <>
17:10<FluffyFoxeh>Centralized, proprietary protocols run by for-profit entities have no long-term future. And they tend to not have facilities to export your data. So that's a non-starter for me.
17:12<Toba>coliform cauilflower, product recall announcements on the hour
17:13<Toba>we didn't start the fire
17:35<Zr40>it was always burning
17:43<cyveris>since the world's been turning
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18:27<arielp>Are there any plans for the kernels page ( to come back?
18:29<millisa>the info is still available via the api
18:32<arielp>idk, I've never used the api.
18:32<millisa>something like this: curl -H 'X-Filter: { "label": {"+contains":"latest"}}' |python -mjson.tool
18:34<cyveris>FluffyFoxeh: I wish I could share your optimism re: centralized/proprietary protocols.
18:35<arielp>ok. Thanks, millisa.
18:37<millisa>more info at
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19:06<FluffyFoxeh>cyveris: Oh, they'll always be around. But individually, each one will die when the investor money runs out
19:07<cyveris>FluffyFoxeh: Your nick reminds me of a friend that has two fennec foxes at home. My god, the screaming.
19:08<Peng_>Second sentence was not what I expected
19:08<cyveris>They're adorable, but loud.
19:10<cyveris>Should look them up on youtube. In no way am I joking.
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21:54<FluffyFoxeh>I think vanity v3 onions get a bit pointless... privacy2zbidut4m4jyj3ksdqidzkw3uoip2vhvhbvwxbqux5xy5obyd.onion
21:54<FluffyFoxeh>the old onions were 16 characters so it was actually possible to remember them. new ones, not the case :p
22:00<zifnab>i mean just mine a url for longer?
22:00<zifnab>or whatever it is they call it these days
22:04<FluffyFoxeh>Yeah, you could do that. But I think it gets exponentially harder with every character
22:06<FluffyFoxeh>And the whole string is still very long
22:06<FluffyFoxeh>I'm not criticizing it though. The additional length is necessary for increased security, or so they say
22:10<cyveris>Yes, I believe each successive character is a 62-fold increase.
22:11<cyveris>Oh, wait, all lower case.
22:11<cyveris>Hexatrigesimal, if you're curious.
22:12<FluffyFoxeh>Facebook managed to get facebookcorewwwi.onion
22:12<FluffyFoxeh>which is pretty good
22:12<FluffyFoxeh>three english words, three Ws, and an i
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22:44<zifnab>i mean if fb can get facebookcorewwwi.onion
22:44<zifnab>you'll be fine
22:44<zifnab>just dedicate a few datacenters to it
22:45<zifnab>i bet you could spin up 40,000 1gb linodes for an hour and get some amusing things
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23:08<millisa>test successful
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23:24<FluffyFoxeh>zifnab: There's a blog post somewhere with the technical details of how they did it. I just remember that GPUs were involved.
23:25<FluffyFoxeh>And this is speculation (I don't have the post on hand), but they probably mined for something that starts with "facebook" and the remainder being something memorable according to some metric
23:27<FluffyFoxeh>(But not anything specific because that would be too hard to find)
23:29<FluffyFoxeh>I don't suppose there's even the slightest chance of getting the string you want on the first try just out of sheer luck, is there? :p
23:30<FluffyFoxeh>I know key generation is "random" but I don't know... how random, if that makes any sense. Is there any string that will not be generated as a key?
23:34<Peng_>yeah, Facebook said that they mined for "facebook" and were lucky that one of the matching strings was that good
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