--- | Log | opened Fri Dec 20 00:00:32 2019 |
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00:22 | <abhi> | hi |
00:22 | <millisa> | greetings |
00:23 | <abhi> | i want vps |
00:23 | <Woet> | same |
00:23 | <abhi> | manage vps |
00:23 | <millisa> | Have you seen https://www.linode.com/products/managed/ |
00:23 | <abhi> | yes |
00:24 | <abhi> | but didn't find price |
00:25 | <Woet> | its right there. |
00:25 | <Woet> | Stop losing valuable time and money from downtime. Enroll in Linode Managed Service with no obligation or contract for $100 per month. |
00:26 | <abhi> | where is your servers? |
00:27 | <millisa> | !speedtest |
00:27 | <linbot> | http://www.linode.com/speedtest |
00:27 | <abhi> | I want server in India |
00:27 | <millisa> | That shows their datacenters |
00:29 | <abhi> | Mumbai India |
00:30 | <Woet> | abhi: why don't you spend less time typing and more time reading |
00:30 | <Woet> | managed is $100/month and there's a datacenter in Mumbai, as you can see |
00:31 | <abhi> | it's too costly |
00:31 | <abhi> | $100/month |
00:31 | <millisa> | per linode |
00:31 | <millisa> | plus the cost of the linode |
00:32 | <abhi> | I want only 2gb Ram and 1 core cpu and 60gb storage |
00:32 | <abhi> | on manage |
00:33 | <millisa> | These are the plans they have: https://www.linode.com/pricing/ any one of them +$100/month would get you managed on it. |
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01:06 | <FluffyFoxeh> | What is a managed server anyway? |
01:07 | <FluffyFoxeh> | As I understand it, Linode's managed service is something different from whatever "managed" usually means |
01:08 | <millisa> | they talk about a little of the setup here - https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/linode-managed/ . you define services, contacts, break/fix instructions |
01:09 | <FluffyFoxeh> | Yeah, Linode's is incident response basically, right? I'm wondering what managed means outside of Linode (as it's sometimes implied that it means something different) |
01:12 | <chesty> | yeah, they just talk about monitoring it for availability and response time, they don't really say what happens if it goes down |
01:12 | <millisa> | there's a bit where you can put in instructions for a monitored service |
01:14 | <FluffyFoxeh> | chesty: "Linode actively tracks uptime and responsiveness for every registered system and service. If a check fails, our experts take immediate steps to get your systems back online as quickly as possible." |
01:14 | <millisa> | some managed setups will do more than server/service monitoring/response - handling the registrar bits, certs, working with development groups that will be using the servers, planning/change control. |
01:14 | <FluffyFoxeh> | millisa: Heh. I doubt you'll find anyone doing that for less than $100/mo |
01:14 | <millisa> | probably not |
01:14 | <chesty> | ah. it does say it |
01:15 | <millisa> | $100 for incident response, especially when you get to the bigger linodes is a steal since they throw in things like the backup service |
01:18 | <Woet> | FluffyFoxeh / millisa - you can easily find managed for less than $100/month |
01:18 | <Woet> | whether it's as good, that's debatable. |
01:18 | <Woet> | also, it doesn't mention which cPanel license is included. |
01:18 | <Woet> | solo? admin? pro? premier? |
01:19 | <FluffyFoxeh> | Maybe I was just looking too shallow (In fact I've never specifically looked for managed), but a lot of the offerings I saw were over $100/mo or "call us" |
01:20 | <FluffyFoxeh> | Love the "call us" price for things, myself :p |
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05:07 | <conte> | hello |
05:07 | <conte> | i want to ask a question |
05:07 | <chonk_> | go ahead and ask :) |
05:07 | <conte> | that i want to build a External loadbalancer with Virtual IP and keepalive |
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05:08 | <conte> | for examle: one Public VIP with 2 server on Linode |
05:08 | <conte> | does linux support it? |
05:08 | <conte> | or need to call linode API to switch floating ip? |
05:10 | <chonk> | conte: this might be useful to you: https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/manager/remote-access/#configuring-ip-sharing |
05:11 | <chonk> | i think it works less like one single floating IP between two Linodes and more like IP failover |
05:12 | <conte> | thank you |
05:12 | <chonk> | there's also this high availability guide: https://www.linode.com/docs/websites/host-a-website-with-high-availability/ |
05:12 | <conte> | ok |
05:12 | <conte> | i will read it |
05:13 | <conte> | thank you very much |
05:13 | <chonk> | good luck! |
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06:41 | <cps> | anyone else getting phishing emails claiming to be from linode? fortunately like most they're not very well done :) |
07:00 | <cews> | I'm sure they're aware, although it could be off a different IP. |
07:12 | <nate> | Someone mentioned getting one in here yesterday I think, but I have not yet |
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07:41 | <victor_> | how much additional ip will cost? |
07:43 | <cps> | cews: will do |
07:45 | <dzho> | wow, so the link to IRC got pushed way down from the first page |
07:45 | <dzho> | which, you know, makes a certain amount of sense. |
07:46 | <dzho> | its much more contextualized |
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07:59 | <cps> | ok, abuse did not seem interested in the emails. |
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08:49 | <@jcardillo> | cps: we are interested in those abuse emails to help us track down the source so we can report it as abuse. |
08:50 | <cps> | jcardillo: i did contact abuse. they said they did not want me to fwd them, they were not interested. |
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08:52 | <@jcardillo> | ah ok. just speculating: i guess we received enough reports of it already to address it with the hosting provider. i dunno |
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09:34 | <AlexMax> | I noticed that Linode sponsors hugo development. Does it use it for anything? |
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09:36 | <cyveris> | Sorry about the bouncing. Client madness. |
09:36 | <cyveris> | blaboon: Hey! |
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10:08 | <@blaboon> | cyveris: o/ |
10:08 | <@bbigger> | AlexMax: Yup! Our docs site is powered by Hugo |
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10:31 | <@mcintosh> | hu-go, girl! |
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10:31 | <@mcintosh> | ...i'll see myself out |
10:31 | <JamesTK> | HI |
10:31 | <JamesTK> | mcintosh: hi |
10:31 | <JamesTK> | mcintosh: what time is it |
10:32 | <@mcintosh> | did someone hear something? kinda sounded like someone who boo'ed me the other day, not sure |
10:32 | <@mcintosh> | must've been the wind |
10:32 | <JamesTK> | haha |
10:32 | <JamesTK> | !point mcintosh |
10:32 | <linbot> | JamesTK: Point given to mcintosh. (22) |
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10:50 | <linbot> | New news from community: Why won't certbot renew my SSL certificate? <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/19239> |
10:54 | <@mcintosh> | JamesTK: it was 10:31 when you asked, now it's 10:54 :p |
10:57 | <@scrane> | INCORRECT! Timestamp of when you posted that said 10:55 |
10:58 | <@bbigger> | oh? I'm seeing 10:54:57 |
10:59 | <cews> | 15:59:55 |
11:15 | <@mcintosh> | :O |
11:15 | * | mcintosh neuralyzes bbigger |
11:15 | * | mcintosh returns to present time |
11:16 | <@bbigger> | *_* |
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12:20 | <LouWestin> | AlexMax: I believe they use Hugo for their documentation site. |
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12:43 | <FluffyFoxeh> | rip matrix |
12:46 | <cyveris> | matrix the network, or something else? |
12:48 | <@mcintosh> | seems like something just died briefly, they're all reconnecting |
12:50 | <cyveris> | didn't know matrix had netsplits |
12:50 | <cyveris> | Well, it is decentralized, so I guess it makes sense |
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13:00 | <FluffyFoxeh> | cyveris: looks like OFTC killed the bridge (perhaps accidentally) |
13:00 | <FluffyFoxeh> | actually I'm not sure, because the quit message starts with "Quit: " |
13:00 | <FluffyFoxeh> | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
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13:33 | <millisa> | looks like i got the rest of my tos announcement mails between yesterday evening and about 2.5 hours ago |
13:38 | <AlexMax> | Wait, there's a matrix channel? |
13:39 | <Zr40> | I believe it's people using matrix as an irc client |
13:39 | <AlexMax> | Yeah, but how do you do that? |
13:39 | <AlexMax> | presumably there's a bridge? |
13:39 | <AlexMax> | How do I connect to the other side of the bridge? |
13:40 | <Zr40> | no idea, I just know it exists because I see people using it in various irc channels |
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13:45 | <AlexMax[m]> | Okay cool, you just log into a matrix server and `/join #_oftc_#linode:matrix.org` |
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14:05 | <Kristine> | Hi, I'm deciding between Linode and KnownHost. Does Linode's Dedicated CPU Plans include cPanel? |
14:05 | <millisa> | !cpanel |
14:05 | <linbot> | Install cPanel on CentOS: https://www.linode.com/docs/websites/cms/cpanel-on-centos Linode does not sell cPanel licenses, but it's provided free to Linode Managed customers: https://www.linode.com/managed Or try a free panel like Webmin: https://www.linode.com/docs/websites/cms/webmin-control-panel Or just use the command line: https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/linode-beginners-guide/ |
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14:08 | <Kristine> | Thank you! |
14:08 | <millisa> | Sure thing |
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14:27 | <AlexMax> | And I'm back |
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15:55 | <LouWestin> | Mozilla is switching to Matrix from IRC |
16:01 | <koenig> | Yes they are. Their discussion threads about the various alternatives they considered is interesting reading. |
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16:08 | <AlexMax> | Yeah, it's why I decided to check it out. |
16:08 | <AlexMax> | Now my bouncer is down from 20-odd channels to like 7 |
16:09 | <AlexMax> | hopefully soon I'll be able to shut off my bouncer and use matrix for everything |
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16:11 | <FluffyFoxeh> | I don't use Matrix, but I don't think the logging is as good on it? So I'm hesitant |
16:11 | <FluffyFoxeh> | IRC logs, and how simple they are to search and read, are extremely useful to me |
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16:13 | <FluffyFoxeh> | I absolutely can't stand the Discord/Teams/Slack way of using inifinite scrolling in the channel to see old messages. |
16:14 | <cews> | Although you can easily search? |
16:16 | <FluffyFoxeh> | On Teams the search tries to be "clever" and silently modifies and aliases search terms or shows a limited number of results |
16:18 | <FluffyFoxeh> | I suppose the idea is to be faster than grep, but it's at the expense of completeness and predictability, which is unacceptable |
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16:19 | <FluffyFoxeh> | Oh well, Matrix is open source, so these problems are fixable if it has them |
16:19 | <FluffyFoxeh> | (which is not the case for the other ones I mentioned) |
16:22 | <FluffyFoxeh> | I dunno. I need confidence in my tools. Fuzzy searching instills doubt. |
16:22 | <koenig> | Matrix has a server/client approach like IRC, so you can use a client such as weechat-matrix and it will work very near how WeeChat on IRC works for you. |
16:23 | <koenig> | Other users who want to use a client like Riot.im will get an experience more like Discord/Teams/Slack. |
16:23 | <FluffyFoxeh> | yeah, that's what's so great about open source protocols |
16:23 | <koenig> | Yep, fully agree. |
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16:44 | <Zr40> | I for one like IRC just fine |
16:46 | <FluffyFoxeh> | Yeah, I have no real need to use anything else right now |
16:46 | <cews> | I use discord, a lot |
16:46 | <cews> | More than IRC |
16:46 | <FluffyFoxeh> | I more or less refuse to use Discord |
16:46 | <FluffyFoxeh> | because screw proprietary protocols |
16:47 | <cews> | Mostly Google hosted, mind |
16:49 | <cews> | CF and Google |
16:49 | <cews> | Just bought a Thinkpad. |
16:53 | <koenig> | I've been on IRC essentially constantly since 1990. |
16:54 | <cews> | I was introduced to the shady side of IRC back in 2000s' |
16:54 | <koenig> | I think looking at new things like Discord and Slack is just fine. I'm on one specific Slack group for professional connections. But I'm not a big fan. |
16:54 | <koenig> | I'm really hopeful that Matrix can become something awesome that might be a better IRC, but maybe I'm not convinced it's quite there yet. They're doing a good job. |
16:55 | <cews> | Linode have thought about starting a Discord though |
16:55 | <koenig> | I'd probably run a Matrix instance on my Linode in the semi-near future though. |
16:56 | <koenig> | Linode the company would be better (in my opinion) to stick with IRC for a small bit more and then start a Matrix instance when it gets just a bit more developed. It's really close now, though. |
16:56 | <koenig> | FWIW, I think federated services like Mastodon/Pleroma and Matrix and things like that are very exciting because they bring back more of a "federated Web" model. |
16:57 | <koenig> | I'd think that would be exciting to Linode as a company because people like me would want a VPS somewhere with good connectivity in order to participate in that type of world. |
16:57 | <koenig> | If everybody's just connecting to Discord, why would most people care about having a Linode? |
16:58 | <koenig> | If I worked at Linode, strategically I'd be encouraging all of those types of projects through documentation on how to set them up on a Linode VPS and by using them internally. |
17:01 | <linbot> | New news from community: is it possible to resize from a Standard Plan to a Dedicated CPU plan? <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/19240> |
17:10 | <FluffyFoxeh> | Centralized, proprietary protocols run by for-profit entities have no long-term future. And they tend to not have facilities to export your data. So that's a non-starter for me. |
17:11 | <Toba> | conform. |
17:11 | <dzho> | coliform |
17:11 | <FluffyFoxeh> | cauliflower? |
17:11 | <dzho> | PROFIT |
17:12 | <Toba> | coliform cauilflower, product recall announcements on the hour |
17:13 | <Toba> | we didn't start the fire |
17:35 | <Zr40> | it was always burning |
17:43 | <cyveris> | since the world's been turning |
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18:27 | <arielp> | Are there any plans for the kernels page (linode.com/kernels) to come back? |
18:29 | <millisa> | the info is still available via the api |
18:32 | <arielp> | idk, I've never used the api. |
18:32 | <millisa> | something like this: curl https://api.linode.com/v4/linode/kernels -H 'X-Filter: { "label": {"+contains":"latest"}}' |python -mjson.tool |
18:34 | <cyveris> | FluffyFoxeh: I wish I could share your optimism re: centralized/proprietary protocols. |
18:35 | <arielp> | ok. Thanks, millisa. |
18:37 | <millisa> | more info at https://developers.linode.com/api/v4/linode-kernels |
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19:06 | <FluffyFoxeh> | cyveris: Oh, they'll always be around. But individually, each one will die when the investor money runs out |
19:07 | <cyveris> | FluffyFoxeh: Your nick reminds me of a friend that has two fennec foxes at home. My god, the screaming. |
19:07 | <FluffyFoxeh> | wow |
19:08 | <Peng_> | Second sentence was not what I expected |
19:08 | <cyveris> | They're adorable, but loud. |
19:10 | <cyveris> | Should look them up on youtube. In no way am I joking. |
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21:54 | <FluffyFoxeh> | I think vanity v3 onions get a bit pointless... privacy2zbidut4m4jyj3ksdqidzkw3uoip2vhvhbvwxbqux5xy5obyd.onion |
21:54 | <FluffyFoxeh> | the old onions were 16 characters so it was actually possible to remember them. new ones, not the case :p |
22:00 | <zifnab> | i mean just mine a url for longer? |
22:00 | <zifnab> | or whatever it is they call it these days |
22:04 | <FluffyFoxeh> | Yeah, you could do that. But I think it gets exponentially harder with every character |
22:06 | <FluffyFoxeh> | And the whole string is still very long |
22:06 | <FluffyFoxeh> | I'm not criticizing it though. The additional length is necessary for increased security, or so they say |
22:10 | <cyveris> | Yes, I believe each successive character is a 62-fold increase. |
22:11 | <cyveris> | Oh, wait, all lower case. |
22:11 | <cyveris> | 36-fold. |
22:11 | <FluffyFoxeh> | yup |
22:11 | <cyveris> | Hexatrigesimal, if you're curious. |
22:12 | <FluffyFoxeh> | Facebook managed to get facebookcorewwwi.onion |
22:12 | <FluffyFoxeh> | which is pretty good |
22:12 | <FluffyFoxeh> | three english words, three Ws, and an i |
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22:44 | <zifnab> | i mean if fb can get facebookcorewwwi.onion |
22:44 | <zifnab> | you'll be fine |
22:44 | <zifnab> | just dedicate a few datacenters to it |
22:45 | <zifnab> | i bet you could spin up 40,000 1gb linodes for an hour and get some amusing things |
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23:08 | <Entropy> | test |
23:08 | <millisa> | test successful |
23:08 | <Entropy> | (: |
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23:24 | <FluffyFoxeh> | zifnab: There's a blog post somewhere with the technical details of how they did it. I just remember that GPUs were involved. |
23:25 | <FluffyFoxeh> | And this is speculation (I don't have the post on hand), but they probably mined for something that starts with "facebook" and the remainder being something memorable according to some metric |
23:27 | <FluffyFoxeh> | (But not anything specific because that would be too hard to find) |
23:29 | <FluffyFoxeh> | I don't suppose there's even the slightest chance of getting the string you want on the first try just out of sheer luck, is there? :p |
23:30 | <FluffyFoxeh> | I know key generation is "random" but I don't know... how random, if that makes any sense. Is there any string that will not be generated as a key? |
23:34 | <Peng_> | yeah, Facebook said that they mined for "facebook" and were lucky that one of the matching strings was that good |
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