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06:12<rsdehart>hi huzaki-senpai and welcome to community chat
06:12<rsdehart>that sounds really botty but I'm flesh and blood :P
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06:13<rsdehart>well ok then
06:13<rsdehart>thanks for stopping by
06:28<Winckle>how does payment work for partially used hours? Do I get charged pro rata, or for a full hour? I only ask as I'm spinning up different sized linodes trying to work out which one is best for my use and then deleting them about 30 minutes later after running some tests
06:31<rsdehart>they don't split hours
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07:28<Cromulent>has anyone done any tests to see how widely adopted a progressive web app is compared to a native app?
07:29<Cromulent>I want to do an MVP but I've never made a native Android app so I was thinking of doing it as a progressive web app first and foremost and then when I know if it will be successful or not consider then making native apps instead of a progressive web app
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08:06<linbot>New news from community: laravel application that uses gmail smtp all email goes to spam <>
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09:32<dubidubno>Is there a guide available for using pre-signed URLs with Object Storage?
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15:30<@rgerke>dubidubno: Sorry that it took us so long to get back to you. This might be the guide that you're looking for:
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16:58<linbot>New news from community: Marking particular hosts when using ansible linode dynamic inventory <>
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18:06<cews>Per customer network VLAN - is this across datacentres or within the same?
18:06<cews>Great work on the recent blog post
18:23<@mtjones>cews: As far as I'm aware nothing's set in stone just yet. If you'd prefer to see one or the other, let us know at
18:30<DrJ>cews: I would guess within
18:30<DrJ>pure guess
18:31<DrJ>I can't see transfer across datacenters being free which leads me to that conclusion
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20:23<LouWestin>DrJ: Thanks. I was with inmotion, then another host for only a few months. They ended up merging into GoDaddy sometime last year. I just found Linode through searching for VPS hosting.
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20:42<geo01b>I wondering if the linode standard plans come with cpanel license
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20:43<linbot>Install cPanel on CentOS: Linode does not sell cPanel licenses, but it's provided free to Linode Managed customers: Or try a free panel like Webmin: Or just use the command line:
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20:44<geo01b>thank you
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20:50<nate>I'll forever wonder why people think something that costs less than a licensed software would include that licensed software lol, more so with the new licensing design of cpanel
21:01<LouWestin>They’re used to the cost of shared hosting which offers CPanel
21:02<nate>Ah true I suppose, though they weren't really getting a cPanel license in those circumstances so much as they were a user/customer of the licensee
21:02<LouWestin>But Linode doesn’t advertise that they offer cpanel either so... I’m not sure.
21:02<nate>Nah I think it does for -managed-? But that's also like $100 per-requested linode so it fits with that
21:03<LouWestin>I should say that they don’t say that the standard plans include Cpanel
21:03<LouWestin>Right right. Managed does
21:05<LouWestin>I think the other common question is, are the standard plans managed? Lol
21:06<LouWestin>And the second common question is can I run Windows on linode?
21:17<DrJ>if you must use a control panel I try to suggest to them webmin/virtualmin
21:18<DrJ>it has come a long way and is pretty much free
21:19<DrJ>I can do everything through command line myself, but still use virtualmin for setting up and managing hosting accounts
21:19<DrJ>well, websites would be a better term than hosting accounts... but still
21:23<LouWestin>I stick to the terminal
21:24<DrJ>nothing wrong with that
21:24<DrJ>but when you are managing a ton of websites I just like having something graphical
21:25<DrJ>I'm secure in my geekiness to admit I use it
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22:13<LouWestin>I do use Wordpress for one site and VNC’s web interface so I have that going for me. lol
22:17<DrJ>wordpress is a little different in that you are managing just that site not the server
22:17<DrJ>absolutely nothing wrong with using wordpress
22:17<DrJ>in fact, 99% of the sites I host are either joomla or wordpress
22:18<DrJ>I can only think of one off the top of my head that isn't... it using a stupid CMS called movable type
22:18<DrJ>(not my choice)
22:27<nate>DrJ: thing is webmin/virtualmin tend to be more technical than those used to cPanel would probably like
22:28<nate>They've always felt like they were more oriented for actual sysadmin's just wanting a little bit of ease of a GUI for quick things. I use it like 90% just for managing my own nameservers cause I loathhhhhhhhhhhhe working with named from console lol
22:29<linbot>New news from community: Automatic Failover on a low budget <>
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23:02<chesty>this might be of interest to linode although they have probably seen it already pretty rich of oracle to sue google for copying the java api and then copy an amazon api.
23:03<Peng_>Thanks for the link :)
23:12<nate>Oracle being contradicting hypocritic little shits, definitely not new news there
23:26<Cromulent>heh I was just looking at the Oracle website and come here to find that
23:27<Cromulent>I think I'll stick to PostgreSQL
23:29<nate>There are oracle-unrelated SQL forks you know
23:29<nate>mariadb and percona are fairly nice :P
23:29<virtual>nice find chesty
23:31<Cromulent>I've always used PostgreSQL instead of MySQL compatible databases
23:31<Cromulent>although I might check out mariadb
23:32<Cromulent>but feel free to sell me on one of the others I'm not a database expert at all :)
23:32<millisa> ?
23:34<Cromulent>how is SQL Server with Geospatial stuff?
23:35<millisa>(I have no opinion; it's still on my list to try out on linux)
23:35<Cromulent>ah I see - I thought you were recommending it
23:36<nate>Cromulent: Mariadb is what most linux distro's come with by default now
23:36<nate>If not all
23:36<Cromulent>yeah but PostgreSQL has PostGIS which is a big selling point for me
23:38<Cromulent>I'm going to have to format this laptop - I'm down to 42GB of free space on my SSD
23:38<Cromulent>and I have no idea what is using it all up
23:39<nate>MySQL had some, mariadb inherited it and took it further
23:40<Cromulent>but what is the real advantage of a MySQL compatible database - or to put it another way shouldn't I use PostgreSQL?
23:41<virtual>er, there isn't one? unless you're using software that was coded specifically for the mysql API, I guess.
23:41<nate>Well if PostGIS is your main interest that I can't say, my spacial stuff with MariaDB has been pretty minimal
23:41<virtual>I'd say stick to postgres. :)
23:41<Cromulent>right - fair enough :)
23:42<nate>Well years now even, I just figured I'd link it as I've bumped into a lot of people that didn't even know there was spacial stuff in mysql/mariadb
23:43<Cromulent>it is certainly interesting - when I've had some sleep I'll go through it a bit more carefully
23:44<virtual>my DB skills are poor, so I don't use much more than basic features in a DB, the fancier stuff is done in software.
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23:49<R0n4k>there ?
23:50<R0n4k>Are you from Linode team ?
23:50<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
23:51<millisa>But we all like talking about linodes
23:51<R0n4k>I see
23:51<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read
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