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10:16-!-Topic for #mythtv is Happy Thanksgiving!
10:16-!-Topic for #mythtv set by Namapoos at Mon Oct 14 11:33:36
10:29<blinx>hmm.. I seem to be missing colored backgrounds in mythepg..
10:29<blinx>using the cvs version
10:32<Conaz>Strange, I noticed that myself, although I was using a few day old snapshot
10:32<Conaz>I take it you got your xmltv working properly?
10:32<blinx>I think maybe it has something to do with qtlook stuff
10:32<blinx>Conaz: yes - work somewhat now
10:33<blinx>though I can for my life, get tv_grab_sn to write output to a file
10:33<Conaz>That by far was the most tedious part of the whole installation / configuration process
10:33<blinx>so I have to do that manually and changed mythfilldatabase to always read the same tmpfile and not run the grabber
10:33<Conaz>I haven't really looked at the process that mythfilldatabase runs through too closely
10:33<blinx>ye.. it bails out with an error in XML::Writer
10:34<Conaz>Well, M$ winupdate is prompting me to reboot now... back in a little bit...
10:34<Conaz>I'll think about that during reboot :)
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10:40<blinx>mmh.. I think I know why..
10:43* blinxblames mosfet-liquid
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13:25<Universe>hmm... shouldn't it be Happy Halloween?
13:26-!-Chutt has changed the topic to:
13:26<Chutt>there :p
13:39<Universe>so all you guys are running a MythTv system at home?
13:39<Chutt>dunno about all
13:40<Conaz>I only just started, currently only have it running on my PC, not attached to the TV yet
13:40<Conaz>Got all my small issues worked out just last night
13:40<Universe>I am considering building a system
13:40<Universe>getting sick of the limited features my Tivo offers
13:41<Universe>and I quit paying for the programming feed a long time ago.
13:42<Conaz>So that is what the monthly fee is for, the program guide?
13:42<Universe>and there reviews and junk
13:42<Conaz>I've never really looked closely at the TiVo
13:43<Universe>it runs on linux
13:43<Conaz>Yup, it runs an embedded linux I'm guessing
13:45<Conaz>And uses some TV receiver hardware that supports compression on-board
13:45<Universe>I would assume so also
13:46<Conaz>I've decided to currently use MythTV in a pure record/playback type role, as I'm not gonna spend the additional $$ at this point for a new mb/cpu. On my spare 1gig machine I was only running at 50% for a record session and a playback session
13:46<Conaz>Using rtjpeg codex
13:46<Conaz>and 480x480 resolution
13:47<Universe>thats not bad
13:47<Conaz>I'm gonna try on my PIII-750 tonight see if I can get away with that machine
13:47<Universe>I have an extra P3 700 I was thinking about getting up for it
13:48<Conaz>Watching live/buffered TV was a pretty large cpu hit, but I think I can live without the ability to pause the live tv for now... ;)
13:48<Universe>I was going to try it on my main system first... Just to see how it runs
13:48<Conaz>It is certainly very cool
13:49<Conaz>My wife even said she wouldn't have any trouble recording/watching using it
13:49<Universe>my fiance can't live without tivo... heh..
13:49<Universe>with classes, its hard for her to watch her shows when they air..
13:50<Conaz>Well, off to a meeting... I hate long meetings...
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13:50<Universe>lol... later
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17:42<Conaz>Time to bail, catch you all later
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19:03<Universe>anyone alive?
19:08<Universe>hey sfire... do you have a mythtv system setup?
19:08<Universe>I was wondering something
19:10<sfire||mouse>nope, I only have a p2 450, which Chutt has said isn't fast enough, or at least he did
19:11<Universe>I was wondering what kind of CPU is needed to be able to have full fuctionallity
19:25<Syn->probably a duron 700 or so
19:25<Syn->im just gettin my setup together
19:25<Syn->but wanna test it on a p2 450 as well
19:25<Syn->using RTLinux
19:27<Universe>ahh... I have a P3 700
19:28<Universe>that I was going to use
19:28<Universe>with gentoo linux
19:30<Syn->sounds like it will work, im interested in if RTLinux will actually help any
19:30<Syn->RTLinux = Real Time
19:30<sfire||mouse>Syn-: if you get it working let me know
19:30<Syn->used for real time apps like cnc motor control OSes, etc
19:31<sfire||mouse>of course I should just save up 600 or so, and get a new system
19:35<Syn->ideally i want a p2 450 without any fans next to my home theater rig
19:38<Universe>I would have to agree... Fans are too noisy..
19:38<Universe>but the only processor that I could run without a fan would be my P2 300..
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20:34<nyquiljer>Chutt: can I have a rectangle for the name of the show to move around as well?
20:35<Universe>does Chutt==main developer?
21:21<nyquiljer>Chutt: and the time?
21:21<nyquiljer>I'm going hog wild, but it will be worth it
21:23<Chutt>nyquiljer, hrm
21:23<Chutt>ok, you want the title of the show elsewhere?
21:24<nyquiljer>yeh, I'd like to be able to position it
21:24<Chutt>shouldn't be difficult
21:25<nyquiljer>I havent looked at the theme file in awhile, but is the channel icon seperate from the channel call letters?
21:25<Chutt>i don't remember, actually =)
21:25<Chutt>yeah, it's different
21:25<Chutt>the icon has a position
21:26<Chutt>and the callsign has a rectangle
21:26<nyquiljer>does it automagically figur eout what font size to use to fit within the rectangle, or do you have to be specific?
21:26<Chutt>so you have ideas of what you're going to do? =)
21:27<Chutt>i think it just uses the same font as it uses for the information text
21:27<nyquiljer>ok, that works fine.
21:27<nyquiljer>basically at this point I'm just trying to make it so that anything I'd want to do is possible
21:27<Chutt>so, title rectangle
21:27<Chutt>time rectangle
21:28<Chutt>anything else?
21:28<nyquiljer>that way people who are better than me at graphics can make some even cooler themes
21:28<nyquiljer>that about covers it, since youve already got sliders and positions in rectangles
21:28<nyquiljer>thank you much, I hate to add work :)
21:28<nyquiljer>the photobook thingy is cool by the way
21:28<Chutt>doing something for real work right now, but i'll have that in CVS later tonight
21:29<Chutt>heh, added directory browsing and a simple slide show today =)
21:30<nyquiljer>is the channel numbe rin upper right part of the osd theme, or is it hardcoded?
21:31<Chutt>ya know, it might be hardcoded
21:31<Chutt>i don't see that in the theme
21:31<nyquiljer>well thats no biggy, I wa sjust curious
21:31<Chutt>i'll fix that
21:31<nyquiljer>I dont really see moving it, tho it might be neat to be able to
21:32<nyquiljer>oh, question: the theme pixmaps assume a 640x480 display? so if I wanted to have stuff at the top of the screen I could just make the pixmap taller?
21:32<Chutt>yeah, it assumes a 640x480 display, and scales everything internally if it's not
21:33<Chutt>make it taller?
21:33<nyquiljer>I mean I could make the png 480 tall, and then I could have things at the top of the screen
21:34<nyquiljer>the one problem I can see with that, is if you have the animated sliding turned on, but not the fade, the stuff at the top of the screen wouldn't slide all the way off?
21:34<Chutt>the animated slide only does it for the pause indicator
21:34<Chutt>and i can make it so it doesn't do that
21:35<nyquiljer>oh, I didnt notivce that
21:35<nyquiljer>I really like it for the pause, especially in conjunction with the fade, it looks great
21:36<nyquiljer>so all the text in the osd uses the same font size?
21:38<Chutt>everything except the stuff in the seek slider and the channel number
21:38<skitzo>(ATI are poo)
21:38<skitzo>hi chutt.
21:40<skitzo>i'm seth... the weirdo who keeps emailing you.
21:42<nyquiljer>chutt: does it just display the channel icon in original size or does it do any scaling?
21:42<Chutt>scales it to fit the screen size
21:43<nyquiljer>oh, I mean the channel logo thingy
21:43<nyquiljer>I guess I dont follow you
21:43<skitzo>dun sound too excited now.
21:44<Chutt>nyquiljer, it scales them based on the screensize
21:45<Chutt>if it's 640x480, it'll keep em at 30x30
21:45<Chutt>if it's different, it'll scale them accordingly
21:45<nyquiljer>oh, ok, I gotcha. I forgot you have it able to scale the screen up to arbitary sizes.
21:50<Universe>I am going to attempt to install this on my main system tonight to test it out.. :-)
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22:19<nyquiljer>chutt: oh, how bout font colors for specific things?
22:19<nyquiljer>like in addition to specifying location, how bout color too?
22:20<Chutt>if you really want color, i can do that
22:20<Chutt>but b+w text is much easier for now
22:20<nyquiljer>b+w is fine
22:20<nyquiljer>I was just curious
22:20<Chutt>i've got the channel number moveable, and a time rectangle
22:21<Chutt>the title location's next
22:21<nyquiljer>you're quick
22:21<Chutt>minor changes
22:22<nyquiljer>I'm not sure when I'll be done with the osd I am working on tho
22:22<Chutt>mockup? =)
22:22<Chutt>well, unless i do a release friday
22:23<Chutt>i'm going on vacation saturday and won't be back until the next saturday
22:23<nyquiljer>I'll have a mockup for you in a few minutes :)
22:23<nyquiljer>vacation is good
22:23<nyquiljer>going anywhere cool?
22:24<Chutt>just down to florida
22:24<nyquiljer>where are you at now, I dont thin ki've asked
22:24<Chutt>near cleveland, oh
22:25<nyquiljer>I'm in vancouver, wa. never been off he west coast myself, someday I hope to
22:29<nyquiljer>aww crap. I shoulda been working from a mockup all along, I gotta make changes
22:30<oztiks>you know, it's quite possible that if my ATI card stopped deadlocking my machine, that my DSS progress would move along a little faster!
22:40<nyquiljer>chutt: well, I have a mockup done, I still need to make some changes but heres a pretty good idea of what I'm doing.
22:40<nyquiljer>Chutt: its quite a bit 'cleaner' looking
22:42<nyquiljer>I was planning on putting the channel number in the leftmost upper 'tab'
22:42<nyquiljer>but I'm not sure eanymore, I obviously didnt make it wide enough, but I'm not sure it needs to be there
22:42<sfire||mouse>nyquiljer: cute
22:44<nyquiljer>Chutt: are the drop shadows going to be a problem?
22:44<nyquiljer>I dunno if you noticed them or not
22:45<Chutt>long as they're in the .png
22:45<nyquiljer>yeh they are
22:51<Soopaman>oztiks, you are running directv on mythv?
22:58<Chutt>nyquiljer, ok, your OSD updates are all in CVS now
22:59<Chutt>just be sure to do a 'make clean' before recompiling with the updates
23:00<Soopaman>nyquiljer, nice osd
23:00<Soopaman>almost as pretty as mine :P
23:00<Chutt>unless you're going to contribute meaninfully
23:00<Soopaman>do you guys recommend a good gui ftp server and a good gui ftp client?
23:01<Soopaman>Chutt, i know, but can't i crack a joke?
23:01<Chutt>no, you can't.
23:11<nyquiljer>Chutt: relod when you get a sec, I want input on how I'm doing the position slider
23:12<Chutt>just closed the browser =)
23:12<nyquiljer>the grey is buffer, blue is position in buffer
23:13<Chutt>'slong as you make one more color for when i get around to doing some editing features
23:13<nyquiljer>I'm gonna have to make them more slender to fit in the text position area, and I think i;m gonna have to get rid of the shadow
23:13<nyquiljer>yeh, I've got a read already
23:13<nyquiljer>its just not visible
23:13<Chutt>i'd prefer more width
23:14<Chutt>for the slider
23:14<nyquiljer>its floating
23:14<nyquiljer>it goes all the way to the time box
23:14<nyquiljer>which isnt that obvious apparantly :)
23:14<Chutt>i do kinda like having two different display
23:14<Chutt>since the pause/ff/rew indicator doesn't really need to have all that information
23:15<nyquiljer>oh yeh, I always forget that the position indicator doesnt show with the detailed info screen
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23:26<Chutt>moved all my screenshots to sourceforge
23:26<Chutt>that should help a lot with my bandwidth =)
23:26<nyquiljer>tired of the dsl hit?
23:27<Chutt>i still want to host the source locally, but the screenshots were a good 80% of the bandwidth used
23:27<nyquiljer>you wanting to host it locally so you can count hits?
23:29<Chutt>so i can fix the release if it's messed up easily =)
23:29<nyquiljer>oh :)
23:45<nyquiljer>Chutt: osdmockup-lite.png
23:46<nyquiljer>just wanting input on that, I'm not sure theres enough room there
23:46<Chutt>that's cool.
23:47<Chutt>though maybe leave off the time
23:47<Chutt>how big are those fonts you're using?
23:47<nyquiljer>the timeis 16 point
23:47<nyquiljer>and the other is 13
23:48<nyquiljer>what I can do is
23:48<nyquiljer>get rid of the time
23:48<nyquiljer>and then put the staus (rw, ff pause) in tehe smaller box
23:48<nyquiljer>thatll leave the whole larger for the text position
23:48<nyquiljer>are those font sizes too small?
23:49<nyquiljer>er, those sizes are pixels, not point
23:49<nyquiljer>oh. an idea I just had, maybe have 2 sliders?
23:49<nyquiljer>one thats the percentage full, and the other thats the position in the current buffer?
23:50<Chutt>i think they're a little small, yeah
23:50<nyquiljer>like one over the other
23:50<Chutt>how would they be different?
23:50<nyquiljer>they would be parallel
23:50<nyquiljer>too confusing?
23:50<Chutt>see, you only really have a position when you're playing something back
23:50<Chutt>and you only have a % full when you're doing live tv
23:50<nyquiljer>oh yeh
23:52<nyquiljer>ok, I'm confused, I've got live tv going, and as I scroll back, the blue bar gets longer
23:54<Chutt>it's showing how full the buffer is
23:54<Chutt>so the further back you are, the fuller the buffer is
23:55<nyquiljer>maybe I'm thinking of it wrong
23:55<nyquiljer>but the live tv is constantly pouring into the buffer, no?
23:56<Chutt>it is
23:56<Chutt>and as long as you're playing back the buffer close to where its recording to, it's empty
23:58<nyquiljer>it just seems like its backwards I guess
23:58<nyquiljer>I think it makes sense when playing back a recording
23:58<Chutt>so you've got a buffer
23:58<Chutt>say, 10 spaces in it
23:58<Chutt>1 - 10
23:59<Chutt>and let's say it just wrote to position 6
23:59<Chutt>and it just read position 5
23:59<Chutt>so if you pause it, the reader stays at position 5