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| 10:16 | -!- | Topic for #mythtv is Happy Thanksgiving! |
| 10:16 | -!- | Topic for #mythtv set by Namapoos at Mon Oct 14 11:33:36 |
| 10:29 | <blinx> | hmm.. I seem to be missing colored backgrounds in mythepg.. |
| 10:29 | <blinx> | using the cvs version |
| 10:32 | <Conaz> | Strange, I noticed that myself, although I was using a few day old snapshot |
| 10:32 | <Conaz> | I take it you got your xmltv working properly? |
| 10:32 | <blinx> | I think maybe it has something to do with qtlook stuff |
| 10:32 | <blinx> | Conaz: yes - work somewhat now |
| 10:33 | <blinx> | though I can for my life, get tv_grab_sn to write output to a file |
| 10:33 | <Conaz> | That by far was the most tedious part of the whole installation / configuration process |
| 10:33 | <blinx> | so I have to do that manually and changed mythfilldatabase to always read the same tmpfile and not run the grabber |
| 10:33 | <Conaz> | Strange |
| 10:33 | <Conaz> | I haven't really looked at the process that mythfilldatabase runs through too closely |
| 10:33 | <blinx> | ye.. it bails out with an error in XML::Writer |
| 10:34 | <Conaz> | Well, M$ winupdate is prompting me to reboot now... back in a little bit... |
| 10:34 | <Conaz> | Hmm |
| 10:34 | <Conaz> | I'll think about that during reboot :) |
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| 10:34 | <blinx> | :) |
| 10:40 | <blinx> | mmh.. I think I know why.. |
| 10:43 | * blinx | blames mosfet-liquid |
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| 13:25 | <Universe> | hmm... shouldn't it be Happy Halloween? |
| 13:26 | -!- | Chutt has changed the topic to: |
| 13:26 | <Chutt> | there :p |
| 13:26 | <Universe> | ok.. |
| 13:26 | <Universe> | :-) |
| 13:39 | <Universe> | so all you guys are running a MythTv system at home? |
| 13:39 | <Chutt> | dunno about all |
| 13:40 | <Conaz> | I only just started, currently only have it running on my PC, not attached to the TV yet |
| 13:40 | <Universe> | ahh... |
| 13:40 | <Conaz> | Got all my small issues worked out just last night |
| 13:40 | <Universe> | I am considering building a system |
| 13:40 | <Universe> | getting sick of the limited features my Tivo offers |
| 13:41 | <Universe> | and I quit paying for the programming feed a long time ago. |
| 13:42 | <Conaz> | So that is what the monthly fee is for, the program guide? |
| 13:42 | <Universe> | aye |
| 13:42 | <Universe> | and there reviews and junk |
| 13:42 | <Conaz> | I've never really looked closely at the TiVo |
| 13:43 | <Universe> | it runs on linux |
| 13:43 | <Conaz> | Yup, it runs an embedded linux I'm guessing |
| 13:45 | <Conaz> | And uses some TV receiver hardware that supports compression on-board |
| 13:45 | <Universe> | I would assume so also |
| 13:46 | <Conaz> | I've decided to currently use MythTV in a pure record/playback type role, as I'm not gonna spend the additional $$ at this point for a new mb/cpu. On my spare 1gig machine I was only running at 50% for a record session and a playback session |
| 13:46 | <Conaz> | Using rtjpeg codex |
| 13:46 | <Conaz> | and 480x480 resolution |
| 13:47 | <Universe> | thats not bad |
| 13:47 | <Conaz> | I'm gonna try on my PIII-750 tonight see if I can get away with that machine |
| 13:47 | <Universe> | I have an extra P3 700 I was thinking about getting up for it |
| 13:48 | <Conaz> | Watching live/buffered TV was a pretty large cpu hit, but I think I can live without the ability to pause the live tv for now... ;) |
| 13:48 | <Universe> | I was going to try it on my main system first... Just to see how it runs |
| 13:48 | <Conaz> | It is certainly very cool |
| 13:49 | <Universe> | hmm... |
| 13:49 | <Conaz> | My wife even said she wouldn't have any trouble recording/watching using it |
| 13:49 | <Universe> | my fiance can't live without tivo... heh.. |
| 13:49 | <Universe> | with classes, its hard for her to watch her shows when they air.. |
| 13:50 | <Conaz> | Well, off to a meeting... I hate long meetings... |
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| 13:50 | <Universe> | lol... later |
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| 17:42 | <Conaz> | Time to bail, catch you all later |
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| 19:03 | <Universe> | anyone alive? |
| 19:06 | <sfire||mouse> | yes |
| 19:08 | <Universe> | hey sfire... do you have a mythtv system setup? |
| 19:08 | <Universe> | I was wondering something |
| 19:10 | <sfire||mouse> | nope, I only have a p2 450, which Chutt has said isn't fast enough, or at least he did |
| 19:11 | <Universe> | ahh... |
| 19:11 | <Universe> | ok.. |
| 19:11 | <Universe> | I was wondering what kind of CPU is needed to be able to have full fuctionallity |
| 19:25 | <Syn-> | probably a duron 700 or so |
| 19:25 | <Syn-> | im just gettin my setup together |
| 19:25 | <Syn-> | but wanna test it on a p2 450 as well |
| 19:25 | <Syn-> | using RTLinux |
| 19:27 | <Universe> | ahh... I have a P3 700 |
| 19:28 | <Universe> | that I was going to use |
| 19:28 | <Universe> | with gentoo linux |
| 19:30 | <Syn-> | sounds like it will work, im interested in if RTLinux will actually help any |
| 19:30 | <Syn-> | RTLinux = Real Time |
| 19:30 | <Universe> | ahh.. |
| 19:30 | <sfire||mouse> | Syn-: if you get it working let me know |
| 19:30 | <Syn-> | used for real time apps like cnc motor control OSes, etc |
| 19:31 | <sfire||mouse> | of course I should just save up 600 or so, and get a new system |
| 19:35 | <Syn-> | ideally i want a p2 450 without any fans next to my home theater rig |
| 19:38 | <Universe> | I would have to agree... Fans are too noisy.. |
| 19:38 | <Universe> | but the only processor that I could run without a fan would be my P2 300.. |
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| 20:34 | <nyquiljer> | Chutt: can I have a rectangle for the name of the show to move around as well? |
| 20:35 | <Universe> | does Chutt==main developer? |
| 20:35 | <nyquiljer> | yeh |
| 20:36 | <Universe> | ok |
| 21:21 | <nyquiljer> | Chutt: and the time? |
| 21:21 | <nyquiljer> | I'm going hog wild, but it will be worth it |
| 21:23 | <Chutt> | nyquiljer, hrm |
| 21:23 | <Chutt> | ok, you want the title of the show elsewhere? |
| 21:24 | <nyquiljer> | yeh, I'd like to be able to position it |
| 21:24 | <Chutt> | shouldn't be difficult |
| 21:25 | <nyquiljer> | I havent looked at the theme file in awhile, but is the channel icon seperate from the channel call letters? |
| 21:25 | <Chutt> | i don't remember, actually =) |
| 21:25 | <Chutt> | yeah, it's different |
| 21:25 | <nyquiljer> | :) |
| 21:25 | <nyquiljer> | excellent |
| 21:25 | <Chutt> | the icon has a position |
| 21:26 | <Chutt> | and the callsign has a rectangle |
| 21:26 | <nyquiljer> | does it automagically figur eout what font size to use to fit within the rectangle, or do you have to be specific? |
| 21:26 | <Chutt> | so you have ideas of what you're going to do? =) |
| 21:26 | <nyquiljer> | yeh |
| 21:27 | <Chutt> | i think it just uses the same font as it uses for the information text |
| 21:27 | <nyquiljer> | ok, that works fine. |
| 21:27 | <nyquiljer> | basically at this point I'm just trying to make it so that anything I'd want to do is possible |
| 21:27 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 21:27 | <Chutt> | allright |
| 21:27 | <Chutt> | so, title rectangle |
| 21:27 | <Chutt> | time rectangle |
| 21:28 | <Chutt> | anything else? |
| 21:28 | <nyquiljer> | that way people who are better than me at graphics can make some even cooler themes |
| 21:28 | <nyquiljer> | that about covers it, since youve already got sliders and positions in rectangles |
| 21:28 | <Chutt> | allright |
| 21:28 | <nyquiljer> | thank you much, I hate to add work :) |
| 21:28 | <nyquiljer> | the photobook thingy is cool by the way |
| 21:28 | <Chutt> | doing something for real work right now, but i'll have that in CVS later tonight |
| 21:29 | <Chutt> | heh, added directory browsing and a simple slide show today =) |
| 21:30 | <nyquiljer> | is the channel numbe rin upper right part of the osd theme, or is it hardcoded? |
| 21:31 | <Chutt> | ya know, it might be hardcoded |
| 21:31 | <Chutt> | i don't see that in the theme |
| 21:31 | <nyquiljer> | well thats no biggy, I wa sjust curious |
| 21:31 | <Chutt> | i'll fix that |
| 21:31 | <nyquiljer> | I dont really see moving it, tho it might be neat to be able to |
| 21:32 | <nyquiljer> | oh, question: the theme pixmaps assume a 640x480 display? so if I wanted to have stuff at the top of the screen I could just make the pixmap taller? |
| 21:32 | <Chutt> | yeah, it assumes a 640x480 display, and scales everything internally if it's not |
| 21:33 | <Chutt> | make it taller? |
| 21:33 | <nyquiljer> | well |
| 21:33 | <nyquiljer> | I mean I could make the png 480 tall, and then I could have things at the top of the screen |
| 21:33 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 21:34 | <nyquiljer> | the one problem I can see with that, is if you have the animated sliding turned on, but not the fade, the stuff at the top of the screen wouldn't slide all the way off? |
| 21:34 | <Chutt> | well |
| 21:34 | <Chutt> | the animated slide only does it for the pause indicator |
| 21:34 | <Chutt> | and i can make it so it doesn't do that |
| 21:35 | <nyquiljer> | oh, I didnt notivce that |
| 21:35 | <nyquiljer> | I really like it for the pause, especially in conjunction with the fade, it looks great |
| 21:36 | <nyquiljer> | so all the text in the osd uses the same font size? |
| 21:38 | <Chutt> | everything except the stuff in the seek slider and the channel number |
| 21:38 | <skitzo> | (ATI are poo) |
| 21:38 | <nyquiljer> | alrighty. |
| 21:38 | <skitzo> | hi chutt. |
| 21:39 | <Chutt> | hi |
| 21:40 | <skitzo> | i'm seth... the weirdo who keeps emailing you. |
| 21:40 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 21:42 | <nyquiljer> | chutt: does it just display the channel icon in original size or does it do any scaling? |
| 21:42 | <Chutt> | scales it to fit the screen size |
| 21:43 | <nyquiljer> | oh, I mean the channel logo thingy |
| 21:43 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 21:43 | <nyquiljer> | I guess I dont follow you |
| 21:43 | <skitzo> | dun sound too excited now. |
| 21:44 | <Chutt> | nyquiljer, it scales them based on the screensize |
| 21:45 | <Chutt> | if it's 640x480, it'll keep em at 30x30 |
| 21:45 | <Chutt> | if it's different, it'll scale them accordingly |
| 21:45 | <nyquiljer> | oh, ok, I gotcha. I forgot you have it able to scale the screen up to arbitary sizes. |
| 21:46 | <Chutt> | right |
| 21:50 | <Universe> | I am going to attempt to install this on my main system tonight to test it out.. :-) |
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| 22:19 | <nyquiljer> | chutt: oh, how bout font colors for specific things? |
| 22:19 | <nyquiljer> | like in addition to specifying location, how bout color too? |
| 22:20 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 22:20 | <Chutt> | if you really want color, i can do that |
| 22:20 | <Chutt> | but b+w text is much easier for now |
| 22:20 | <nyquiljer> | b+w is fine |
| 22:20 | <nyquiljer> | I was just curious |
| 22:20 | <Chutt> | i've got the channel number moveable, and a time rectangle |
| 22:21 | <Chutt> | the title location's next |
| 22:21 | <nyquiljer> | you're quick |
| 22:21 | <Chutt> | minor changes |
| 22:22 | <nyquiljer> | I'm not sure when I'll be done with the osd I am working on tho |
| 22:22 | <Chutt> | mockup? =) |
| 22:22 | <Chutt> | well, unless i do a release friday |
| 22:23 | <Chutt> | i'm going on vacation saturday and won't be back until the next saturday |
| 22:23 | <nyquiljer> | I'll have a mockup for you in a few minutes :) |
| 22:23 | <Chutt> | cool |
| 22:23 | <nyquiljer> | vacation is good |
| 22:23 | <nyquiljer> | going anywhere cool? |
| 22:24 | <Chutt> | just down to florida |
| 22:24 | <nyquiljer> | where are you at now, I dont thin ki've asked |
| 22:24 | <Chutt> | near cleveland, oh |
| 22:25 | <nyquiljer> | I'm in vancouver, wa. never been off he west coast myself, someday I hope to |
| 22:26 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 22:29 | <nyquiljer> | aww crap. I shoulda been working from a mockup all along, I gotta make changes |
| 22:30 | <oztiks> | you know, it's quite possible that if my ATI card stopped deadlocking my machine, that my DSS progress would move along a little faster! |
| 22:30 | <oztiks> | heh |
| 22:40 | <nyquiljer> | chutt: well, I have a mockup done, I still need to make some changes but heres a pretty good idea of what I'm doing. |
| 22:40 | <nyquiljer> | nyquil.org/~jer/osdmockup.png |
| 22:40 | <nyquiljer> | Chutt: its quite a bit 'cleaner' looking |
| 22:41 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 22:41 | <Chutt> | nice |
| 22:42 | <nyquiljer> | I was planning on putting the channel number in the leftmost upper 'tab' |
| 22:42 | <nyquiljer> | but I'm not sure eanymore, I obviously didnt make it wide enough, but I'm not sure it needs to be there |
| 22:42 | <sfire||mouse> | nyquiljer: cute |
| 22:43 | <nyquiljer> | thanks |
| 22:44 | <nyquiljer> | Chutt: are the drop shadows going to be a problem? |
| 22:44 | <nyquiljer> | I dunno if you noticed them or not |
| 22:45 | <Chutt> | long as they're in the .png |
| 22:45 | <nyquiljer> | yeh they are |
| 22:51 | <Soopaman> | oztiks, you are running directv on mythv? |
| 22:58 | <Chutt> | nyquiljer, ok, your OSD updates are all in CVS now |
| 22:59 | <Chutt> | just be sure to do a 'make clean' before recompiling with the updates |
| 23:00 | <Soopaman> | nyquiljer, nice osd |
| 23:00 | <Soopaman> | almost as pretty as mine :P |
| 23:00 | <Chutt> | dude |
| 23:00 | <Chutt> | unless you're going to contribute meaninfully |
| 23:00 | <Soopaman> | do you guys recommend a good gui ftp server and a good gui ftp client? |
| 23:01 | <Soopaman> | Chutt, i know, but can't i crack a joke? |
| 23:01 | <Chutt> | no, you can't. |
| 23:01 | <Soopaman> | ok... |
| 23:11 | <nyquiljer> | Chutt: relod when you get a sec, I want input on how I'm doing the position slider |
| 23:12 | <Chutt> | sure |
| 23:12 | <Chutt> | just closed the browser =) |
| 23:12 | <nyquiljer> | the grey is buffer, blue is position in buffer |
| 23:13 | <Chutt> | 'slong as you make one more color for when i get around to doing some editing features |
| 23:13 | <Chutt> | hrm |
| 23:13 | <nyquiljer> | I'm gonna have to make them more slender to fit in the text position area, and I think i;m gonna have to get rid of the shadow |
| 23:13 | <nyquiljer> | yeh, I've got a read already |
| 23:13 | <nyquiljer> | its just not visible |
| 23:13 | <nyquiljer> | red |
| 23:13 | <Chutt> | i'd prefer more width |
| 23:14 | <nyquiljer> | well |
| 23:14 | <Chutt> | for the slider |
| 23:14 | <nyquiljer> | its floating |
| 23:14 | <nyquiljer> | it goes all the way to the time box |
| 23:14 | <Chutt> | hrm |
| 23:14 | <Chutt> | well |
| 23:14 | <nyquiljer> | which isnt that obvious apparantly :) |
| 23:14 | <Chutt> | i do kinda like having two different display |
| 23:14 | <Chutt> | s |
| 23:14 | <Chutt> | since the pause/ff/rew indicator doesn't really need to have all that information |
| 23:15 | <nyquiljer> | oh yeh, I always forget that the position indicator doesnt show with the detailed info screen |
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| 23:26 | <Chutt> | there |
| 23:26 | <Chutt> | moved all my screenshots to sourceforge |
| 23:26 | <Chutt> | that should help a lot with my bandwidth =) |
| 23:26 | <nyquiljer> | tired of the dsl hit? |
| 23:27 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 23:27 | <Chutt> | i still want to host the source locally, but the screenshots were a good 80% of the bandwidth used |
| 23:27 | <nyquiljer> | you wanting to host it locally so you can count hits? |
| 23:28 | <Chutt> | naw |
| 23:29 | <Chutt> | so i can fix the release if it's messed up easily =) |
| 23:29 | <nyquiljer> | oh :) |
| 23:45 | <nyquiljer> | Chutt: osdmockup-lite.png |
| 23:46 | <nyquiljer> | just wanting input on that, I'm not sure theres enough room there |
| 23:46 | <Chutt> | that's cool. |
| 23:47 | <Chutt> | though maybe leave off the time |
| 23:47 | <Chutt> | hrm |
| 23:47 | <Chutt> | how big are those fonts you're using? |
| 23:47 | <nyquiljer> | the timeis 16 point |
| 23:47 | <nyquiljer> | and the other is 13 |
| 23:48 | <nyquiljer> | what I can do is |
| 23:48 | <nyquiljer> | get rid of the time |
| 23:48 | <nyquiljer> | and then put the staus (rw, ff pause) in tehe smaller box |
| 23:48 | <nyquiljer> | status |
| 23:48 | <nyquiljer> | thatll leave the whole larger for the text position |
| 23:48 | <nyquiljer> | are those font sizes too small? |
| 23:49 | <nyquiljer> | er, those sizes are pixels, not point |
| 23:49 | <nyquiljer> | oh. an idea I just had, maybe have 2 sliders? |
| 23:49 | <Chutt> | hrm |
| 23:49 | <nyquiljer> | one thats the percentage full, and the other thats the position in the current buffer? |
| 23:50 | <Chutt> | i think they're a little small, yeah |
| 23:50 | <nyquiljer> | like one over the other |
| 23:50 | <Chutt> | how would they be different? |
| 23:50 | <nyquiljer> | they would be parallel |
| 23:50 | <Chutt> | hrm |
| 23:50 | <nyquiljer> | too confusing? |
| 23:50 | <Chutt> | see, you only really have a position when you're playing something back |
| 23:50 | <Chutt> | and you only have a % full when you're doing live tv |
| 23:50 | <nyquiljer> | oh yeh |
| 23:51 | <nyquiljer> | hm |
| 23:52 | <nyquiljer> | ok, I'm confused, I've got live tv going, and as I scroll back, the blue bar gets longer |
| 23:54 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 23:54 | <Chutt> | it's showing how full the buffer is |
| 23:54 | <Chutt> | so the further back you are, the fuller the buffer is |
| 23:55 | <nyquiljer> | maybe I'm thinking of it wrong |
| 23:55 | <nyquiljer> | but the live tv is constantly pouring into the buffer, no? |
| 23:55 | <Chutt> | well |
| 23:56 | <Chutt> | it is |
| 23:56 | <Chutt> | and as long as you're playing back the buffer close to where its recording to, it's empty |
| 23:58 | <nyquiljer> | it just seems like its backwards I guess |
| 23:58 | <nyquiljer> | I think it makes sense when playing back a recording |
| 23:58 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 23:58 | <Chutt> | ok |
| 23:58 | <Chutt> | so you've got a buffer |
| 23:58 | <nyquiljer> | ok |
| 23:58 | <Chutt> | say, 10 spaces in it |
| 23:58 | <Chutt> | 1 - 10 |
| 23:58 | <nyquiljer> | ok |
| 23:59 | <Chutt> | and let's say it just wrote to position 6 |
| 23:59 | <Chutt> | and it just read position 5 |
| 23:59 | <Chutt> | so if you pause it, the reader stays at position 5 |