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00:31<Chutt>can't decide if the dialog box that pops up when you're watching tv that asks if its ok to record something should fade away, or just disappear straight
00:41<yebyen>fading is nice
00:53<Chutt>it doesn't feel right for that, though
00:53<Chutt>takes a second for the box to go away once you've selected something
00:53<Chutt>which feels weird
00:53<Chutt>ah well, no fading for it
00:56<yebyen>fair enough
00:57<yebyen>Chutt: what kind of OSD crap are you coding
00:58<Chutt>making it all flexible internally so i can do the editing stuff
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00:59<yebyen>oh :)
00:59<Chutt>can you get to
00:59<yebyen>looks like a dns issue
00:59<Chutt>stupid snowman
01:01<Chutt>oh well, he's apparently moving today
01:01<Chutt>so, goes with the free hosting =)
01:03<yebyen>so should I think about trying mythmusic or any of those other fancy things?
01:03<yebyen>considering I have it all hooked up to my stereo
01:03<Chutt>i rather like the interface
01:03<Chutt>and having all my music on there is handy
01:04<yebyen> is working now, at least
01:04<Chutt>came back for me, too
01:11<yebyen>Chutt: only problem is I haven't been away from the tv long enough for it to amass a library of stuff for me to watch
01:11<yebyen>Chutt: i think this belongs in a set top box
01:11<yebyen>would be fantastic
01:12<yebyen>i read the FAQ and you mentioned contributing code
01:12<Chutt>biggest issue is noise
01:12<yebyen>could build a mini-itx machine with quiet components
01:12<Chutt>so a settop box would probably have to be a player-only
01:12<Chutt>and depend on a recording box elsewhere to record stuff
01:12<yebyen>player only as opposed to player/archiver?
01:13<yebyen>not necessarily
01:13<Chutt>or player/archiver
01:13<yebyen>you could run such a machine on a <1ghz p3
01:13<yebyen>just would be less than optimal
01:13<Chutt>a big beefy machine in the basement or whatnot could have plenty of cpu
01:13<Chutt>a couple tuners in it
01:13<Chutt>and you wouldn't have to worry about fan noise
01:14<yebyen>how much cpu does it take to do just playback
01:14<Chutt>it's pretty low
01:15<yebyen>btw turns out my hauppauge remote has exactly enough buttons to do mythtv and volume control
01:15<yebyen>i need to find another remote that will work though
01:15<yebyen>like, my cable remote doesn't create any dots in irrecord
01:16<Chutt>using the hauppauge ir dongle thingie?
01:16<Chutt>it only listens to a specific remote format
01:17<Chutt>which is apparently ancient and not used much anymore
01:17<Chutt>there's only like 2 sets in my universal remote that support it
01:17<Chutt>and neither has very many buttons
01:17<yebyen>any thoughts? should I pick up an irman?
01:17<Chutt>be cheaper to build your own
01:18<yebyen>is it difficult?
01:18<Chutt>doesn't look to be
01:18<yebyen>is there a homebrew IR receiver howto? :)
01:18<Chutt>it's a simple circuit on
01:18<Chutt>i'm going to do it sometime
01:18<Chutt>when i have more time =)
01:19<yebyen>i'd definately like to have a more powerful remote
01:19<yebyen>and my cable box's remote has a config file already
01:20<yebyen>Chutt: the time conflict menu should remember your position like the delete dialog
01:21<yebyen>Chutt: i have to scroll all the way to the bottom again
01:21<Chutt>submit a patch :p
01:27<Chutt>ya know, i'm just going to remove the other archs from libavcodec in my cvs tree
01:27<Chutt>this crap's all i386 anyway
01:28<Chutt>blah, naw
01:28<Chutt>i'll just remove it from distribution tarballs
01:34<Chutt>just trying to save some space
01:34<Chutt>the .tar.bz2's getting big
01:35<yebyen>i should put my RFU on channel 4
01:36<yebyen>so i have the option of watching normal tv without getting up
01:43<yebyen>though i'm not entirely sure why i'd want to
01:48<Chutt>it was displaying the wrong channel number in the actual dialog where it asks which one you choose?
01:52<yebyen>reporting them both as being on the same channel
01:53<Chutt>the guy that changed that just included a fix for that in a new patch
01:53<Chutt>simple little thing
01:53<Chutt>i'll let you know when i'm done merging things in
01:53<Chutt>so you can update
01:54<Chutt>since the fix for the not-playing things is going to be in as well
01:54<yebyen>which, btw, i haven't encountered yet
01:55<Chutt>it depends on the order in which frames got encoded in the file
02:04<yebyen>Chutt: you don't happen to know if it's possible to set xmltv up to get parts of two different tv listings and merge them into one, do you?
02:04<Chutt>i have no idea
02:04<Chutt>what parts?
02:04<yebyen>Chutt: (the most accurate listing on is still wrong on about 20 channels)
02:04<yebyen>but there are other listings that have those 20 channels correct
02:05<yebyen>sort of a make-your-own-cable-provider
02:05<Chutt>i dunno
02:05<Chutt>write into the xmltv list and ask if they'd make that possible for you
02:05<yebyen>i noticed during setup that you have a thing to set up multiple video sources
02:05<yebyen>yeah i'll do that
02:05<Chutt>yeah, but that won't work
02:05<Chutt>since you can only have one source of channels per input on the tuner card
02:06<yebyen>that's why i'm asking, heh
02:06<yebyen>couldn't get that to work
02:07<yebyen> actually has completely accurate listings, maybe i'll present that as "Or maybe if it were easier..."
02:07<Chutt>the main xmltv guy's fairly cool
02:07<Chutt>but i've never emailed the guy that did the tv_grab_na stuff
02:07<Chutt>so, i dunno =)
02:08<yebyen>actually it looks like they have a tv_grab_uk_rt thing that is new, that just grabs from a different source than the other uk thing
02:09<yebyen>so it could be simple to add new sources
02:09<Chutt>look at tv_grab_na sometime
02:09<Chutt>it's a beast
02:11<Chutt>cvs is safe to update to now
02:12<yebyen>cvs -dP -z3 update?
02:12<Chutt>some warnings i'm going to fix in a checkin in a few minutes, but that's all harmless
02:12<yebyen>or update -dP?
02:12<Chutt>PAd is what i usually use
02:12<Chutt>but same stuff
02:12<Chutt>doesn't do anything differently that matters in this case
02:13<yebyen>well what are the options, for my own curiosity
02:13<yebyen>or should i rtfm
02:13<Chutt>-P is prune empty dirs
02:13<Chutt>-A tells it to go to the HEAD branch
02:13<Chutt>so you shouldn't use that if you're using a branch =)
02:14<yebyen>crap, do you have the CVSROOT listed anywhere on the site
02:14<yebyen>because i can't find it
02:14<Chutt>password: mythtv
02:16<yebyen>i can't cvs update a tarball, can I.
02:16<yebyen>hrm :)
02:17<Chutt>no, you can't
02:17<yebyen>even a cvs tarball
02:18* yebyentries to get fancy with a cvs -z3 co -A
02:24<yebyen>ok, i give up
02:24<yebyen>is there a way to checkout the whole repository
02:24<Chutt>cvs -z3 co MC
02:24<Chutt>cvs -z3 co mythgame
02:24<Chutt>cvs -z3 co mythmusic
02:24<Chutt>etc :p
02:24<yebyen>bah :)
02:24<Chutt>module list is in viewcvs on the website
02:24<yebyen>anything I can do to make that whole thing a single unit, so in the future I can just "cvs update" from the root?
02:25<Chutt>i don't believe so
02:25<Chutt>just make a little script
02:26<Chutt>wow, a whole 151 hits from slashdot
02:27<yebyen>from a comment, spiffy
02:27<Chutt>from a couple
02:27<Chutt>very crappy :p
02:28* yebyenponders installing mythmusic
02:28<yebyen>would be nice to have music from something other than laptop speakers or headphones
02:28<yebyen>and nicer to have it controllable via remote, like entirely controllable, versus XMMS
02:28<Chutt>and it has a kickass selection interface
02:29<yebyen>can i have it access a directory of mp3s/ogg's?
02:29<yebyen>perhaps one nfs imported from my laptop
02:29<yebyen>ok, i'm doing it ;)
02:29<Chutt>it'll take awhile to read a full directory of mp3s, though
02:29<Chutt>since it calculates the length manually for em
02:30<yebyen>cool vis plugins?
02:30<yebyen>or cool vis plugin, the one
02:31<Chutt>i don't feel like doing more
02:31<Chutt>but its fairly simple to add em
02:31<Chutt>synaesthesia's good 'nuff for me =)
02:31<yebyen>i'd imagine it's cooler in motion
02:31<yebyen>versus a screenshot ^_~
02:31<yebyen>how's it on cpu usage
02:32<Chutt>heavy, like most vis plugins
02:32<yebyen>like, I don't want it to interfere with recordings, if they come up
02:33<yebyen>read something in the manual about copying modified configs to ~/.mythtv... does that mean make install overwrites /usr/local/share/mythtv again?
02:35<yebyen>*installs dependencies for mythmusic*
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02:38<yebyen>well that is done
02:38<yebyen>you don't run sawfish, do you?
02:38<Chutt>kwin in kde3
02:39<yebyen>i need to find the setting for this crap that keeps windows from spawning right next to each other/the edge
02:40<yebyen>probably "window gravity"
02:40<yebyen>but when they uselessified sawfish, they seem to have removed that setting
02:40<Chutt>sucks to be you :p
02:41<yebyen>well according to ogmo, all of the settings are still there in code
02:41<yebyen>just not there in the dialogs
02:41<yebyen>so if i can find out what they are, it's a matter of adding a line of lisp to my config
02:41<Chutt>ah well
02:41<Chutt>i think i should be heading off to bed
02:42<yebyen>but in the mean time, it's hardcoded at like 3 or 4 pixels
02:42<Chutt>i think i got all the code into cvs that i wanted to
02:42<yebyen>talk to you later
02:42<yebyen>thanks for the commit ;)
02:42<Chutt>hopefully'll come back online fully sometime soon
02:42<Chutt>so i'll have a working mailing list again
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03:29<yebyen>Chutt: encoding a cd while recording tv is probably a bad idea...
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03:29<yebyen>in fact recording tv should be given ultimate high priority
03:36<yebyen>or maybe i'm not giving that scheduler enough credit
03:36<yebyen>*notes how mythfrontend is hovering at the same 25% cpu usage it was before*
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07:08<pyro-x>Hi there
07:09<pyro-x>i have a problem with mythtv and audio
07:10<pyro-x>with OSS drivers i always get that echoing effect, and i can't mute the line-in channel for playback only, when i mute it i don't get any audio... :(
07:11<pyro-x>i tried the alsa drivers, and it seems they allow me to mute playback only, but when i switch channels my computer hangs up
07:11<pyro-x>any idea?
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09:03<davehunn>any one know howthe re encode stuff is going is there anything that needs testing yet?
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12:29<mdz>yebyen: you can checkout "." if you really want to
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13:13<Chutt>still no email, hmm
13:15<Chutt>mdz, added the bookmarking stuff
13:15<Chutt>hit space/enter during playback of a file with a seektable
13:15<Chutt>and next time you play it back, it'll start from that position
13:16<Chutt>well, nearest keyframe to that position
13:20<yebyen>Chutt: yo
13:21<yebyen>Chutt: when you said 'heavy on the cpu' i didn't think you meant it would take ALL of it and run like ass...
13:21<Chutt>well, yeah
13:21<Chutt>it uses a good chunk o cpu on my 1800+
13:21<yebyen>i wish stonerview was coded as a music vis
13:22<Chutt>synaesthesia in mythmusic would be faster if i was using sdl for the output
13:22<Chutt>kinda didn't want to add another dependency, though
13:22<yebyen>i hear that
13:23<yebyen>well, how much faster
13:23<yebyen>i've got a gf2gts in this machine, if it could be opengl'ified
13:23<Chutt>i dunno
13:23<Chutt>naw, it's all just ffts and blending
13:24<yebyen>Chutt: you don't have any experience with nfs, do you? :)
13:25<yebyen>Chutt: heh, once I got everything configured (i THOUGHT correctly), shit would just go defunct on the box that I was doing the mounting on
13:25<yebyen>it's unpleasent
13:32<mdz>Chutt: sounds great
13:33<mdz>yebyen: defunct how?
13:35<yebyen>mdz: like, not responding to kill -9, ps wuax|grep [pid] shows a big "D"
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13:42<yebyen>works now though
13:42<yebyen>was missing portmap on the client
13:42<yebyen>Chutt: it's only going to have to check all of these once, right? :)
13:45<Chutt>something like that
13:45<Chutt>hasn't been used extensively with mp3s, though
13:45<mdz>yebyen: a process will be in that state any time that it is waiting for I/O to complete
13:46<mdz>yebyen: usually, that should be a very short time; if a process is in that state for a long time and no I/O is completing, then something is wrong
13:46<yebyen>mdz: i see
13:48<yebyen>well, I knew *something* was wrong
14:04<Chutt>well, that was easier than i thought
14:04<Chutt>ff/rew while pause work now =)
14:11<Universe>hey Chutt... have you thought about a prompt to delete after watching a recording to the end?
14:12<Chutt>i'll probably do that eventually
14:12<Chutt>but, other stuff first
14:12<Universe>just wondering.
14:17<Antw73>Hey all
14:18<Antw73>Ok, been thinking about export functions and here is what I am thinking about doing
14:18<Antw73>Firstly, changing the delete recordings option to a manage recordings
14:19<Antw73>within that menu, delete, export, and burn VCD options
14:19<Antw73>The export would remove the file from the database and give an option to set a filename for the .nuv file thats a little more human readable
14:20<Antw73>The burn VCD would do just that, with the option to leave the bin and cue images in the tmp directory
14:20<Antw73>Delete would of course function as before
14:21<Antw73>Secondly, an external program to convert .nuv MythTV files to .avi files in mpeg4 format with mp3 sound. ready for conversion with other programs such as transcode
14:21<Chutt>i'd really rather 'export' not be in the UI, 're-encode' for higher compression, etc, sure
14:21<Antw73>Anyone have comments before I get started?
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14:22<Chutt>but nothing that takes it out of the internal format in the UI
14:22<Antw73>export was more to leave in the right format, but change the name to a human readable one Chutt
14:23<Chutt>it's not self-contained anymore that way, though
14:23<Antw73>hence, its an export, deleting it from the mythtv database
14:24<Chutt>but someone can do the same thing with an external tool and the 'delete' function
14:24<Chutt>which would leave the UI self-contained
14:24<Antw73>true, however I was trying to make finding the file simpler with the export option, whichever is fine by me
14:25<Chutt>i'd just rather not have the UI have anything that takes data out of the DB, but still leaves it on the system
14:25<Chutt>if that's ok with you =)
14:25<Antw73>ahhh, I see what you are getting at now
14:26<Antw73>well, another way round that is to get the users to name recordings as a matter of course
14:27<Chutt>there could be a simple command line tool to rename something
14:27<Chutt>have it print out a list of recordings in the database, have them select one, type in the new name
14:27<Antw73>yup, thats another way to go =)
14:28<Chutt>yeah, and i'd even distribute something like that along with the UI
14:28<Chutt>just not _in_ the UI =)
14:29<Antw73>ok, I think I have a better idea of what you want the Myth stuff to be now =)
14:32<Antw73>Sooo, scratch the export button and move it into the external tool, otherwise the VCD burning option is ok, but without leaving and bin/cue files lying about
14:33<Chutt>and like, the VCD tool can probably even a separate command line tool
14:33<Chutt>that the UI just calls and stuff
14:34<Antw73>ok, If you prefer it that way, thats fine
14:34<Chutt>so, if the user wanted to do it manually, they could have the option to leave the bin/cue files
14:34<Chutt>but if they didn't, the UI would just take care of everything and make it all transparent to the user
14:34<Antw73>I'll see if I can have something for you to bang on by the end of the week, at least a rough draft code anyways
14:35<Antw73>I'll start with the external stuff, I'm sure you'd rather we walked through the menu integration together
14:35<Chutt>however you want to do it
14:36<Antw73>well, the meat will take the time, adding another button should be trivial
14:36<Chutt>well, i'm thinking probably a radio button group along the top of the dialog like the ripper in mythmusic
14:37<Chutt>to select the different modes of operation in the manage recordings box
14:37<Antw73>sounds nice and consistant
14:38<Antw73>oh, about the ripper, am I missing something there or is it not possible to skip tracks from an import?
14:38<Chutt>that's right
14:38<Chutt>thought about that
14:38<Chutt>like, make the left-most column be a checkbox
14:38<Antw73>well, mythmusic hangs on tracks that are not cdda =)
14:39<Antw73>data tracks, video tracks and the like
14:39<Chutt>wonder if there's an easy way to check that with how things are setup right now
14:39<Antw73>just thought you might like to know =)
14:39<Chutt>yeah, thanks
14:40<Antw73>not sure, some of the stupid disks actually have those tracks listed as audio in the TOC
14:40<Antw73>bumped into several while I was importing a bunch
14:41<Chutt>it hangs while doing the actual ripping?
14:41<Antw73>oh, another annoying hate I have right now, stupid tracks with long space and a bonus track at the end...28 minutes of silence grrrr =)
14:41<Antw73>yup, while ripping
14:41<Antw73>I let it run once to see if it would timeout, no such
14:43<Chutt>ok, i'll bbl
14:43<Chutt>need food and stuff
14:43<Antw73>Oh, and I have a problem with Mythgame too =) but I am still debugging that, enjoy your meal =)
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16:14<Chutt>vektor, nice announcement :p
16:18<vektor>You think?
16:18<vektor>Thanks. I hope people actually give it a try.
16:19<Chutt>well, check your sf stats page in a few days =)
16:20<vektor>Yeah, I will. :)
16:20<vektor>It's alot of fun to watch, actually.
16:20<vektor>Makes you want to just edit random comments in source files and check in so your stats go up.
16:21<vektor>Do you announce your app on freshmeat?
16:21<vektor>I'm about to do that for tvtime but it's such a pain.
16:21<vektor>Too much info to put in.
16:22<Chutt>that's the only place where i announce things, actually
16:22<Chutt>i probably should in a few more places, though
16:22<vektor>Well it took me a long time to hear of it.
16:23<Chutt>of mythtv?
16:23<Chutt>my userbase is growing slowly
16:24<vektor>I need to try again to set i tup.
16:24<Chutt>going to work on some in-place editing features tonight
16:27<vektor>Wow, dude... :)
16:27<vektor>man that will kick.
16:28<yebyen>Chutt: hmm
16:29<yebyen>Chutt: mythmusic would be a lot cooler if I cdould listen to music while ripping a cd
16:30<Chutt>so fix it to
16:30<yebyen>i'm incompetent as a coder
16:31<yebyen>i'm not sure i'ts picking up on music in its path either, it seems to be looking at only the cd that is in the drive
16:32<yebyen>is the cvs version supposed to be stable? :)
16:32<Chutt>if stuff's missing tags, i'm not sure what it'll do
16:32<Chutt>yeah, i'm using it right now
16:33<yebyen>Chutt: hmm
16:33<Chutt>haven't had any problems with it a'toll
16:33<yebyen>Chutt: i removed the link to my mp3 collection, i'm saying i don't think it sees the cd it ripped last night :)
16:33<yebyen>Chutt: i'll let you know for sure once this cd is done ripping
16:33<yebyen>then i'll have two
16:34<yebyen>and, uhh, selecting "Play all music" seems to crash mythmusic, but that could have something to do with it not finding anything on the drive
16:34<Chutt>well, works for me
16:35<Chutt>if you want bugs fixed, i need backtraces, etc
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16:36<Antw73>Chutt: you have a patch in your inbox when you get a chance, for mythgame.
16:36<Chutt>you know the drill
16:36<Chutt>just got it =)
16:36<Antw73>good good, nothing serious for most people, just annoying =)
16:36<Chutt>ah, could you regenerate it with diff -u?
16:36<Chutt>so it's a little more readable
16:36<Antw73>sure, one sec
16:38<Antw73>ok, sent, good night all
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16:39<Chutt>i'll get that applied shortly
16:43* yebyenponders just using xmms done over network X
16:56<yebyen>heh oddly enough that is the sanest thing
16:57<Chutt>yeah, whatever
17:08<mdz>Chutt: so I got things working so that I can record from the digital tuner on the s-video input on my card. what's the best way to set up myth to make use of the new input? will setup still blow away the database?
17:08<Chutt>yeah, it will
17:09<Chutt>but, that's probably the best way to deal with it
17:09<Chutt>i'm not sure how well it'll handle having 2 sets of overlapping channels like tha
17:10<mdz>why would they have to be overlapping?
17:10<mdz>I was figuring I would treat them as separate
17:10<Chutt>you're going to have some of the exact same channels available on both inputs, no?
17:10<mdz>there are even separate xmltv sources for the two sets of channels
17:10<mdz>I am, but mythtv doesn't need to know that yet
17:11<Chutt>well, it won't =)
17:11<mdz>if there are conflicts between two inputs on the same card, they are resolved in the normal way?
17:11<mdz>currently I'm just doing audio through the sound card for everything, so I guess that shouldn't be a problem
17:12<mdz>I should try btaudio one of these days, assuming my card works with it
17:12<Chutt>the multi-card conflict resolution stuff is fairly simplistic, but it seems to work ok
17:12<mdz>I'll have to if I want to make the all-in-wonder work
17:12<yebyen>mdz: i didn't know that was possible :)
17:12<mdz> that I think about it, this is going to suck
17:12<yebyen>mdz: i have a tremendous mess of cables in the back
17:13<mdz>I'm going to have a conflict for every single recording
17:13<yebyen>mdz: btaudio sounds like it would make my life better :)
17:13<mdz>unless it knows that they are the same program
17:13<Chutt>mdz, every single one?
17:13<Chutt>for the multiple record stuff
17:13<Chutt>you could make them channel-based
17:13<Chutt>if you just let it auto-resolve them, it should be fine
17:13<mdz>but there is already some smarts about duplicates, right? assuming the xmltv stuff is all in line, will it know they are the same show?
17:14<Chutt>'slong as there are subtitles and descriptions
17:14<Chutt>it should auto-prune em out, too
17:14<Chutt>and the auto-resolution stuff will just pick the lower channel #
17:14<Chutt>which kicks in if you don't manually resolve a conflict
17:15<mdz>ok, lower channel # is perfect for me
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17:19* rcaskeywanted to stop by and let everybody know that he has Myth more or less working with the exception of his possessed modelines :)
17:25<yebyen>possessed modelines, eek! :)
17:26<rcaskey>yup. 640x480p always works but 54p only works like 1/7 times or so
17:27<rcaskey>its apparently random
17:31<mdz>now I have to wait for 500 channels of xmltv to finish :-(
17:32<mdz>argh, it's not getting all of the channels for some reason
17:32<mdz>noticed station unavailable (9 WGNSAT), re-run --configure
17:32<rcaskey>I need a remote receiver, any advice?
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17:34<mdz>odd, some channels were missing from the .xmltv channel list which were there when I fetched them last time
17:34<mdz>I'll just edit them in...
17:34<rcaskey>I still dont know why im only getting sync occasionally. X always starts but its only ocassionably readable
17:36<mdz>I need to configure squid to force caching of xmltv requests
17:37<rcaskey>will mythtv automagically update listings
17:38<yebyen>nope, not unless something's changed without me knowing... you need to cron mythfilldatabase
17:40<yebyen>Chutt: how could you possibly consider 224kbps variable ogg "medium" quality
17:40<yebyen>i doubt i could tell the difference between this and flac, no matter what volume I tried it at
17:41<rcaskey>is there a script to force myth to rebuild its music database
17:41<yebyen>i think it does it every time you open mythmusic
17:42<rcaskey>yebyen: hmm, odd, because I changed my music path and nothing seemed to change
17:42<rcaskey>I moved in like 20 gigs too :)
17:42<yebyen>that may have something to do with why none of my music is showing up
17:43<mdz>it scans the directory every time mythmusic starts, as far as I know
17:43<mdz>and will add/remove new/deleted files
17:45<rcaskey>im not so sure it does, but I dont wanna go hook up my keyboard downstairs to find out
17:45<rcaskey>I really need to get a remote, do you have any advice?
17:47<yebyen>i'm still stuck with my hauppauge remote
17:47<yebyen>i need to build/buy a better receiver than the one that came with the crap
17:47<rcaskey>yebyen: is it usb
17:48<rcaskey>I really dont want serial stuff
17:48<yebyen>the one that came with mine is no plug i recognize
17:48<yebyen>it goes into the tv card
17:48<yebyen>i'm pretty sure most IR receivers are serial though
17:49<rcaskey>thats no so swell since im looking to upgrade to an HD card eventually
17:49<yebyen>hd card?
17:49<yebyen>as in hdtv?
17:49<yebyen>didn't know they made those
17:49<rcaskey>yeah they are expensive
17:49<yebyen>shy does that have anything to do with serial though
17:49<rcaskey>no hd signals to speak of here though, moving in a year or so though and will get dish then
17:50<rcaskey>yebyen: afraid one day I might have a MB without serial
17:50<yebyen>i suppose it's possible
17:50<yebyen>the IR receivers are apparently extremely cheap to make/build
17:52<rcaskey>your right
17:52<yebyen>you find any?
17:52<yebyen>i'd prefer not to build one
17:52<rcaskey>I think radio shack closes in like 8 minutes though
17:52<rcaskey>maby ill get the stuff tommorow
17:53<yebyen>to build one? or buy
17:54<yebyen>see, the thing is... i'm a lazy bastard
17:54<yebyen>and I don't really want to build anything
17:56<rcaskey>I might could even just find something cheap and ir and break it :)
17:57<rcaskey>and If I build one of these gadgets I suppose I can use it to blast at cable boxes to change chanels and the like?
17:58<yebyen>if you manage to do something to send and receive
17:58<yebyen>i'm not sure how it works
17:59<rcaskey>oh good grief
17:59<rcaskey>some people are selling these things for like $300 bucks
18:02<yebyen>what's a model that is cheap and good :)
18:04<rcaskey>actually...there is a $20 wireless keyboard at a store down the street, I suppose if I got that it would be not that hard to make it work with a remote
18:04<rcaskey>might have to use a learning remote but still
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18:06<rcaskey>so what do you think is a good price for that sort of thing?
18:06<Chutt>nyquiljer, hey there
18:06<nyquiljer>Chutt: major revisions to osd code?
18:07<mdz>Chutt: are those epg improvements you were talking about in CVS?
18:07<Chutt>mdz, what epg improvements?
18:07<mdz>Chutt: someone posted to the list about having it use fewer queries, etc., and you said you had already done most of it
18:07<Chutt>oh, yeah
18:07<Chutt>what i did's already in CVS
18:07<mdz>ok, thanks
18:07<Chutt>he hasn't sent a patch, that i know of
18:08<mdz>so if I wanted to add, say, page up/down type functionality, it would be safe to tread there?
18:08<Chutt>i could've missed it, though, what with email being down
18:08<mdz>or did you already do that too?
18:08<Chutt>it'd be extremely safe
18:08<Chutt>and if you wanted to add jumping directly to a channel with the number keys, that'd be safe too =)
18:09<Chutt>nyquiljer, well, basically, now the OSD displays 'sets' of osd stuff
18:09<Chutt>like, an image with arbitrary text on top of it
18:09<yebyen>Chutt: i was just thinking about that
18:09<yebyen>Chutt: the jumpinng to a channel
18:10<nyquiljer>Chutt: so rather than specific text locations, the locations are within the image, and then you place the image?
18:10<Chutt>not _quite_ yet
18:10<Chutt>but that's what it's moving too
18:10<Chutt>well, actually
18:10<rcaskey>hey Chutt: does myth check for music removed from the file system?
18:10<Chutt>aren't the text locations already based off of the origin of the image?
18:10<Chutt>rcaskey, nope
18:10<rcaskey>thats what I thought
18:11<rcaskey>I also thought it wannt importing my music but it turns out its just doing it in the background and taking forever
18:11<rcaskey>oh well :)
18:11<Chutt>mostly since there isn't a way to delete things from the db yet, either
18:12<rcaskey>sure there is...DELETE FROM musicmetadata WHERE filename LIKE '/mnt/%'
18:12<Chutt>from the UI.
18:12<rcaskey>I know what you mean
18:13<nyquiljer>Chutt: yeh, I suppose they are relative to the image, but what I pictured when you said 'sets of information' that you were thinking having multiple parts that get displayed, seperate images. like one 'set' would include channel number and program name, then tehred be another set for those plus description, etc?
18:13<Chutt>well, ok
18:13<Chutt>currently, it setups up a 'program information' set
18:13<Chutt>with fields for the title/subtitle/description/callsign/time/etc
18:14<Chutt>then when i want to display it, i just tell it to display the 'program information' set
18:14<Chutt>same with the channel # and pause status sets
18:14<Chutt>after updating the text strings, etc
18:14* rcaskeyneeds to figure out a good way to do progress indicator stuff so he can hack together a script for cd burning
18:14<nyquiljer>thats cool
18:15<Chutt>basically, it's just a lot nicer internally, but not much has changed externally
18:16<nyquiljer>Chutt: ok, that makes sense
18:16<Chutt>before i had variables for each of the different images/text positions/etc
18:16<Chutt>now its all done on the fly
18:16<Chutt>so it's a lot simpler
18:16<nyquiljer>very nice
18:17<Chutt>so if you want anything else done for the OSD, i can probably add stuff easier now too =)
18:17<nyquiljer>so can teh user define a set?
18:17<rcaskey>I wonder if i get this wireless IR keyboard, if a learning remote can learn the keypresses
18:17<Chutt>no, not yet
18:17<Chutt>rcaskey, doubtful
18:18<nyquiljer>rcaskey: thatd be waaay to convenient
18:18<rcaskey>id like to get down to one remote
18:18<rcaskey>iv got a learning remote that goes with my set but the menu nav buttons are non programmable
18:18<rcaskey>I guess thats good for newbies (keeps them from locking themselves out by recording over the record button) but still
18:19<rcaskey>also having two wireless IR dongles is kinda silly also :)
18:20<yebyen>if I get an IR receiver that sucks less, I can just use my cable box remote.
18:20<yebyen>it's got lirc bindings already
18:20<rcaskey>yebyen: I thought about that but its gonna cause my tv to do wierd stuff too probably
18:21<rcaskey>although the menu buttons might not actually do anything when not in menu mode...
18:21* rcaskeygoes to check
18:24<rcaskey>nope, no good
18:24<rcaskey>that means ill have to get another learning remote if I want to use it turn my tv on/off
18:26<rcaskey>hmm, why is it taking like 1 second per song to index these things?
18:27<rcaskey>dun: yah, hold a sec
18:27<Chutt>because you're using mp3s
18:27<rcaskey>woops :P
18:27<Chutt>and the only way to determine how long a mp3 is is to read the whole thing in
18:28<Chutt>well, accurately, at least
18:28<rcaskey>Chutt: yeah, iv got a mp3 player that does a ghetto job
18:28<rcaskey>it takes the bitrate and divides by file size
18:28<rcaskey>which has the result of it appearing to play faster on VBR selections
18:28<rcaskey>(the Aiwa CDCMP3)
18:28<Chutt>that's the easy way to do things
18:30<rcaskey>this is nice, why are you storing the whole file name in the mp3 name field?
18:30<Chutt>because you don't have id3 tags
18:30<Chutt>most likely
18:30<rcaskey>yeah, but why the whole file path
18:30<Chutt>it's a hint for you to set proper tags
18:30<rcaskey>hehe ;P
18:31<Chutt>the mp3 support in there's pretty simplistic
18:31<Chutt>and i don't have any mp3s anymore, so =)
18:31<rcaskey>yeah, thats cool, I was just wondering if there was some reason
18:31<rcaskey>Chutt: ogg?
18:31<Chutt>more flac now than ogg, i think
18:31<rcaskey>oggs are cool but my car player wont handle it
18:32<mdz>the phatbox plays flac, and they are working on vorbis
18:32<mdz>they have testing versions of the ogg player that you can download
18:39<rcaskey>after I get this I may have to get a furby too
18:41<mdz>Chutt: so now that I have some dumped my database, downloaded a bunch of new programming info, and restored my recorded programs...what can I do?
18:41<mdz>if I add an ExternalChannelCommand, will it let me try to change channels?
18:41<Chutt>i dunno
18:41<mdz>will it be called for every channel change?
18:41<Chutt>that's in settings.txt for now
18:41<Chutt>every channel change that's not on the television input
18:42<mdz>it looks like it will only be passed the channum
18:42<mdz>is that correct?
18:42<Chutt>yeah, for now
18:42<Chutt>it doesn't handle multiple external boxes yet
18:42<mdz>it could, though, if it just passed the sourceid or such
18:43<Chutt>i'm moving that setting into the database
18:43<mdz>yeah, I saw
18:43<mdz>seems logical
18:43<mdz>I think it's time to try to get irda working on my laptop
18:43<Chutt>just haven't gotten to it yet
18:44<Chutt>that guy just sent me his epg patch
18:45<mdz>I just implemented page scrolling more or less
18:45<mdz>haven't tested it yet
18:45<Chutt>looks like he did that
18:46<mdz>well I won't bother with it yet
18:46<mdz>unless there's something wrong with it
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18:50<Chutt>got the up/down keys changing the seek amount and all that in edit mode =)
18:50<Chutt>and all that
18:51<Chutt>the bar at the bottom's going to suck, i think
18:51<Chutt>well, hard to do
18:53<Chutt>nyquiljer, hey, do you happen to have a copy of the old defaultosd stuff?
18:53<mdz>that would be nice in playback mode also, actually
18:54<nyquiljer>Chutt: I very well might.. the blue one?
18:54<nyquiljer>lemme check
18:54<Chutt>i seem to be missing the red slider filler
18:54<Chutt>which, i know i had at one point, i just don't know where i put it =)
18:55<Chutt>cool, thanks
19:04<rcaskey>doh, more stuff for me to find images for ;P
19:04* rcaskeyhas been assembling a theme from crystal components
19:05<nyquiljer>rcaskey: a menu theme of an osd theme?
19:06<rcaskey>havent looked at osd stuff yet
19:06<rcaskey>im still pondering card options
19:06<rcaskey>im probably gonna end up getting the $40 card from best buy
19:06<rcaskey>but it does not have a remote
19:07<rcaskey>there are a bunch going on eby
19:07<rcaskey>I can get one for like < $10 after S&H
19:09<rcaskey>btw, grats, the song chooser is great
19:10<rcaskey>so much quicker than windows media
19:12<mdz>is anyone out there using lirc with an irda device? does it work?
19:13<rcaskey>it sounds like packard bell actually did something right from these reviews
19:14<nyquiljer>Chutt: I need an opinion. should I just let the title field take up the rest of the space?
19:14<rcaskey>the remote looks pretty bad but the reciever is well supported under lirc
19:14<Chutt>nyquiljer, i dunno, sure
19:15<nyquiljer>I figure its probably long enough now, but theres not much space left so what the heck
19:15<nyquiljer>only thing is the drop shadow is more obvious with he space between title and time field
19:15<Chutt>leave a little space then? =)
19:15<Chutt>i do like the drop
19:16<nyquiljer>ok :)
19:21<nyquiljer>Chutt: reload test.png please?
19:21<nyquiljer>its longer and has obvious dopshadow
19:21<Chutt>looks good
19:22<nyquiljer>hopefully evertything is plenty long now
19:24<theqman>If you need a good remote.. the PS/2 DVD remote works great with a LIRC receiver (I use a packard bell receiver).
19:24<rcaskey>iv got a bid in for one on ebay right now
19:25<rcaskey>I want a learning remote so I can turn the power on off as well and do volume
19:25<rcaskey>is there an easy way to disable/enable the kde screen saver from the command line
19:25<rcaskey>I dont think it will be needed for dvds and the like ;)
19:26<theqman>I was thinking about that.. I am going to build and irsend module and write a script to do the "learning" for me.
19:28<theqman>should be able to use the same module to automagically change channels on my cable box.
19:33<rcaskey>i just won that remote on ebay, $9.15 after S&H
19:33<rcaskey>more up there
19:33<rcaskey>ending in like 2-20 minutes
19:33* rcaskeyscuttles off to make good on his payment
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19:39<theqman>I found mine in a box of junk at work.. :)
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19:41<rcaskey>so what was it in here earlier that was looking for an IR remote too?
19:41<Chutt>that took too long to get working right
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19:42<nyquiljer>Chutt: what maks mythtv often take a really long time to start up, and othertimes no time at all?
19:42<Chutt>not exactly sure
19:42<Chutt>i think it may be the osd and stuff loading
19:42<Chutt>but, i dunno
19:44<mdz>Chutt: how are you planning to work the key bindings for page-at-a-time navigation?
19:44<Chutt>this guy's patch does:
19:44<nyquiljer>do you by any chance know the longest that that textual position indication can be? I assume 100% full, and I know the minutes depends on how large of a buffer you have, but do you assume xxx:xx for numerical, or should I assume xxxx:xx ?
19:45<Chutt>home - day left, end - day right, ctl-left page left, ctl-right page right, pageup - page up, page down - page down
19:45<mdz>erm, hmm
19:45<Chutt>not the best bindings =)
19:46<Chutt>nyquildjer, i dunno :/
19:46<Chutt>er, nyquiljer
19:46<Chutt>rather =)
19:48<mdz>I had thought about using the numeric keypad for other things during playback
19:48<mdz>not the most intuitive setup, though
19:48<mdz>my binding for escape sucks now too, but I'm used to it
19:48<mdz>this remote has no exit, cancel, or anything of the kind
19:49<mdz>only Stop and Power
19:49<mdz>Day 2002-11-9 schedule for station 377 CCTV4 has:81 programs
19:49<mdz>that is a lot of programs for one day
19:57<nyquiljer>Chutt: can I set the buffersize to a decimal value like .5?
19:58<nyquiljer>guess not
20:04<mdz>it is taking forever to upgrade this old laptop...I hope it is fast enough to learn IR codes :-)
20:07<theqman>I have lirc working on a Pentium 90 without problems.. it's IO/interrupt sensitive more than CPU bound.
20:11<nyquiljer>Chutt: what is the seeksliderposition?
20:13<nyquiljer>SeekSliderNormal seems to be the amount of fill in the buffer. is SeekSliderPosition even used?
20:17<mdz>it should have this machine all to itself, at least for the test period
20:17<mdz>Ideally I'd like to get IrDA working on the system which runs mythtv
20:17<mdz>but I can't find anyone who sells the dongle for the motherboard
20:18<mdz> is impossible to tell the difference between the inputs on the conflict resolution screen
20:18<mdz>or anywhere else, for that matter
20:19<theqman>what board is it?
20:21<nyquiljer>Chutt: ok, I've got the osd 'finished'. all the text ares are well defined, the only concern I have is the far right boundary for the buffer fill, since I have no recorded programs I have no easy way to see if it fills the area properly.
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20:35<Chutt>seeksliderposition wasn't used
20:35<nyquiljer>ok, thats what I figured
20:36<Chutt>was meant to be a different kind of position indicator
20:36<nyquiljer>yeh, I remember makinga graphic for it long ago
20:36<Chutt>instead of filling up the slider, just indicate position
20:36<Chutt>did you make an indicator like that for the new theme?
20:37<nyquiljer>no, but I certainly will
20:37<Chutt>also, could you make another two types of indicators? =)
20:37<Chutt>for the edit interface
20:37<nyquiljer>sure, whatcha want
20:37<nyquiljer>just different colors?
20:37<Chutt>left and right pointing arrows
20:38<Chutt>to mark start/stop points
20:38<nyquiljer>ooh, cool
20:38<nyquiljer>how are they going to be used exactly?
20:38<Chutt>could you re-tar.gz that file?
20:39<Chutt>tar: ../mythosd/osd.txt: Member name contains `..'
20:39<nyquiljer>oh, heh sorry about that
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20:46<Chutt>just something like: |-> and <-|
20:46<Chutt>would be great
20:46<Chutt>so it'll use the | as the position, and the arrow to indicate direction
20:52<nyquiljer> and cut-end.png
20:52<nyquiljer>thosell work fine for both themes
20:54<Chutt>yeah, that should work
20:54<Chutt>thanks =)
20:54<nyquiljer>no prob :)
20:54<yebyen>Chutt: editing out commercials coming sooner than I thought, apparently
20:55<Chutt>yebyen, next couple days
20:55<Chutt>depends on how much i want to work on it tonight
20:55<yebyen>too bad I usually watch stuff exactly once
20:55<Chutt>yeah, heh
20:57<yebyen>Chutt: would I really notice a difference between 320x240 and 640x480?
20:58<yebyen>would I notice a size difference too? ;)
21:01<yebyen>ahh simpsons
21:15<nyquiljer>Chutt: ok, I need an opinion on a position indicator, test.png
21:15<Chutt>yeah, that's cool
21:16<Chutt>maybe a little larger, though?
21:16<Chutt>just tryin to think of people sittin far away from their tv =)
21:16<nyquiljer>:), ok
21:26<nyquiljer>if you reload, is it more visible?
21:28<Chutt>yeah, that should work
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22:39<mdz>Chutt: my email to you is bouncing
22:41<Chutt>try again
22:41<Chutt>well, i did get that patch you sent two days ago
22:42<Chutt>was there anything else?
22:42<mdz>you did? it just came back to me, just now
22:43<Chutt>shoulda been a temporary bounce
22:43<mdz>ah, looks like it was old. must have been queued
22:43<Chutt>the box wasn't able to send _anything_ for awhile
22:43<Chutt>the mailing list still looks stuffed up, though
22:51<Chutt>that's encouraging
22:52<Chutt>merged in that guy's patch, and it segfaults
22:52<Chutt>for the epg stuff
22:59<mdz>that's not a good sign
23:00<Chutt>it was a little bug
23:00<Chutt>easily fixed
23:00<Chutt>seems to be slightly faster
23:00<mdz>was it a this-was-never-tested bug, or something which might not have affected him?
23:00<Chutt>25ms vs 34ms startup speed
23:00<Chutt>looks like it might not've affected him
23:01<mdz>man, I'm having to extract the kernel source on this old laptop to build the lirc modules
23:01<mdz>it's going to take hours
23:01<Chutt>how old's old?
23:02<mdz>not that old
23:02<mdz>but old enough that it's incredibly slow
23:02<mdz>especially the disk. it's slow even for a laptop disk
23:02<mdz>the zaurus is more responsive
23:03<Chutt>slow disks in laptops suck
23:03<mdz>and pretty much every laptop has a slow disk
23:03<mdz>which is why I can't understand people who want to have a laptop _instead of_ a desktop
23:04<Chutt>i used a laptop as my primary work machine for about a year
23:04<Chutt>but then, it was twice as fast as my desktop
23:06<mdz>make oldconfig 19.44s user 23.42s system 90% cpu 47.169 total
23:06<mdz>I have a sneaking suspicion that this IR stuff isn't actually going to work
23:07<Chutt>not when you consider the amount of work you're doing for it
23:07<mdz>I'm not entirely clear on how it all works, but something about SIR, FIR and CIR, with CIR being the one I want, and FIR and SIR being the ones that my hardware supports
23:07<Chutt>you're most likely right
23:08<mdz>"Everybody agrees that real support for consumer IR applications can only be developed using chipsets that support CIR"
23:08<mdz>and then it lists a whole two devices which support it
23:08<mdz>but then someone has written a driver to emulate CIR using SIR
23:09<mdz>but only for one particular hardware device
23:09<mdz>who actually uses infrared for anything but controlling consumer electronic devices, anyway? hmph
23:10<Chutt>which is why it never caught on =)
23:11<Chutt>ok, checked in the epg improvements
23:11<Chutt>looks stable enough
23:13<nyquiljer>so what aspects were improved?
23:14<Chutt>all it does is reduce the number of mysql queries required to generate the grid
23:15<Chutt>it'll really only help if your mysql server is not on the local machine
23:21<mdz>I have found a recent claim which says that lirc_sir will work with an IrDA device up to about 1 meter
23:21<mdz>which is more than I need
23:22<mdz>but all these people are worried about receiving only
23:22<mdz>nobody likes to transmit
23:23<Chutt>some guy just sent me a thing to not display the channel icon in the epg
23:23<Chutt>of course, he just attached the .cpp files
23:23<mdz>that way you don't have to worry about patch conflicst
23:23<mdz>your changes just go away
23:24<Chutt>apparently he's using a 13" tv
23:24<Chutt>wants the fonts a lot bigger
23:24<mdz>it is probably possible to make out maybe 10 characters wide on a 13" TV
23:25<mdz>I hope he likes shows with very short names
23:25<mdz>I wonder why /etc/init.d/modutils uses depmod -a rather than depmod -A
23:25<mdz>depmod -A makes my life so much better with slow disks
23:25<Chutt>bad debian maintainer?
23:25<mdz>(and NFS root)
23:26<mdz>wichert would resent that accusation
23:26<mdz>oh, wichert doesn't have modutils anymore. but he did, and I'm sure he put that there :-)
23:26<mdz>I guess it would really suck if it didn't work for whatever reason. I guess -a is safer
23:28<mdz>oh no, I am starting to turn up scanned hand-drawn logic diagrams in my search
23:31<Chutt>oh, and i didn't do the seek search fix the way you did
23:32<Chutt>looking over the patch now that i have it =)
23:32<mdz>as long as it's fixed
23:33<Chutt>well, i just subtracted the frameheadersize from the offset
23:34<mdz>that's what I did at first to test it, but the way I did it in the patch is better :-P
23:35<Chutt>i think i'll switch it to your patch
23:35<mdz>go go gadget dpkg
23:35<mdz>dpkg is abysmally slow on this machine
23:36<mdz>doogie has apparently been making some modifications to reduce its memory footprint recently
23:36<Chutt>probably end up breaking things
23:36<Chutt>and/or slowing it down
23:41<mdz>the program for transmitting isn't even in the lirc debian package
23:41<mdz>that shows you how many people actually transmit
23:47<mdz>rock on, there is a config file for my set top box