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00:01<Chutt>got it
00:02<Chutt>lemme just check things in, then i'll take a bunch of screenshots
00:03<Chutt>including the edit stuff
00:11<Chutt>now i'm getting a segfault on channel change
00:12<nyquiljer>its only a problem if you have more than 1 channel...
00:12<Chutt>fixed it
00:13<Chutt>he did say he hadn't updated his program database in awhile
00:15<Chutt>now i'm going to take screenshots =)
00:15<Chutt>anything in particular you want to see?
00:16<nyquiljer>edit mode specifically interests me
00:16<nyquiljer>maybe something with several edited spots
00:16<Chutt>i'll do that, and one of each of the dialog boxes that pop up
00:16<nyquiljer>ooh, dialog boxes
00:17<nyquiljer>didnt know you had dialog boxes yet
00:17<Chutt>yeah, they're ugly
00:17<Chutt>just darkens a rectangle
00:17<Chutt>for the background, then draws the text on top of that
00:17<Chutt>and puts a white rectangle around the current selection
00:18<nyquiljer>well, its a start :)
00:21<nyquiljer>since i'm going to have to install mythtv and all its dependencies again, i'm gonna try to figure out the best order to do it all in, and make a script
00:21<nyquiljer>so debian people can just either paste to a term, or run the script
00:22<nyquiljer>and have it do all the apt-getting and PAM getting, and maybe wget anything else
00:22<nyquiljer>er CPAN
00:22<nyquiljer>not PAM
00:22<Chutt>dh-make-perl i think
00:22<Chutt>will do the cpan stuff for you
00:22<Chutt>if you're using unstable, you can get xmltv debs
00:22<Chutt>from someplace i don't remember where :(
00:22<nyquiljer>i'm not :)
00:23<nyquiljer>i'm not real good with apt yet, but on they have debian stable debs, and have the like you have to add to sources.list
00:24<nyquiljer>which i did
00:24<nyquiljer>but when i try to install kdebase it just installs the older version
00:24<nyquiljer>and i dont understand why
00:25<brtb>yet another stupid question... where does mythepg's font get selected?
00:25<Chutt>in the source
00:26<Chutt>the font size is configurable in theme.txt, though
00:26<nyquiljer>Chutt: oh, something i thought about earlier tonite, i know you dont want to deal with colors in fonts at this point, but what about selecting whether its black or white?
00:27<Chutt>black w/ a white outline, or white with a black outline?
00:27<Chutt>yeah, that'd be easy to do
00:32<Chutt>these screenshots didn't come out so great
00:32<Chutt>lemme try that again
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00:41<Chutt>almost done =)
00:42<nyquiljer>one of the shots you did the other day was running in a that an option now, or did you just hardcode it to do that while you were testing it?
00:42<Chutt>yeah, it's a keybinding
00:43<Chutt>but, it doesn't resize things to the proper aspect ratio
00:43<Chutt>hit 'f' in the video to toggle fullscreen and window
00:44<nyquiljer>thatll be handy
00:47<billytwowilly>Chutt: have you ever used dvd2avi in windows?
00:47<Chutt>looks better when blown up to fullscreen
00:47<nyquiljer>did the arrows not look good on top of the slider?
00:47<nyquiljer>er, the bar
00:47<nyquiljer>er whatever the heck its called
00:47<Chutt>yeah, couldn't really see them if they were _on_ the slider
00:47<Chutt>but i think this makes em stand out more, too, which is cool
00:49<nyquiljer>Chutt: how complicated is it placing the cut points?
00:49<Chutt>it's really easy
00:49<nyquiljer>ohh, duh
00:49<Chutt>you seek around with the left and right arrow keys
00:49<nyquiljer>i see how it works
00:49<Chutt>up and down let you change how much you seek by
00:49<Chutt>all they way from a single frame -> 10 minutes at a time
00:49<nyquiljer>is ther an indication of what 'seek level' youre at?
00:50<Chutt>and you can jump to the nearest keyframe, or nearest cut point
00:50<Chutt>yeah, it shows up on screen below the time whenever you change it
00:50<nyquiljer>is it actualy deleting those portions or just sort of bookmarking?
00:51<Chutt>right now it's just marking them
00:51<Chutt>i'll make it actually go delete them later =)
00:51<Chutt>but it does automatically skip past the deleted sections when you play it back
00:51<nyquiljer>thats relaly cool
00:51<nyquiljer>now we just ned to figure out a really effective way to do commerial detection
00:52<Chutt>i've got plans =)
00:52<Chutt>but i think that's going to be post-0.7
00:52<Chutt>same with rewriting edited files
00:53<Chutt>now, have to remember how to transfer those files to sourceforge
00:55<Chutt>billytwowilly, oh, sorry, i haven't used dvd2avi
00:58<Chutt>in editmode.jpg, you can see my crappy cable ghosting to the right of the guy's head =)
00:58<Chutt>that's _not_ a mpeg4 artifact
00:59<Chutt>well, it could've been, but it's not =)
01:03<nyquiljer>i get that tooo
01:16<billytwowilly>Chutt: dvd2avi has a really nice editing menu that would be great for cutting out commercials. Although it's very similar to what you've already described.
01:28<TardisX>chutt: screenshots look really nice
01:30<Chutt>thanks =)
01:30<Chutt>hopefully stuff works now for other people
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02:17<Soopaman>quiet yous
02:18<Soopaman>so what's up in mythtv land?
02:18<billytwowilly>heh. I dunno. I just got here today and all I've accomplished is earning myself the title "that pain in the ass that always asks questions";)
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10:41<blinx>heh.. I'm almost on my way home from work :)
10:41<vektor>mornin :)
10:42<blinx>I've been without mythtv for days now.. broke my qt so there is no DB support.. and now I have memory problems so I can't recompile it..
10:43<blinx>I had a module that caused my box to sig11 when it was used.. so I got it swapped, when I got it back I only got a 128MB module instead of the 256MB I turned in - and it still makes the box unstable.
10:43<Chutt>not fun
10:43<blinx>nope.. and the shop is ofcouse located around where I live.. I'm never near that place during business hours..
10:44<blinx>gotta take a day off to go turn it in again.
10:44<blinx>argh.. :)
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10:54<blinx>time to head home..
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14:24<billytwowilly>good afternoon all.
14:30<Universe>greetings billytwowilly
14:33<billytwowilly>how's it going?
14:34<Universe>alright, I guess
14:34<Universe>could be better
14:36<billytwowilly>oh? what seems to be the problem?
14:36<billytwowilly>don't say me asking questions;)
14:37<Universe>I could be at home watching TV instead of being at work.
14:38<Soopaman>work is sooooo over-rated
14:38<billytwowilly>heh, I feel your pain. I have to work tommorrow.
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19:43<mdz>Chutt: you decided to make -DEXTRA_LOCKING default?
19:44<mdz>I don't think I notice any performance impact on my (uniprocessor) system, but I haven't measured
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20:17<Chutt>very small cpu hit
20:27<mdz>have you thought about setting different priorities to your threads?
20:30<Chutt>would help a little, yeah
20:30<Chutt>i did for awhile, i think
20:32<Chutt>the only thing the EXTRA_LOCKING stuff really hurts is smp performance
20:36<mdz>sometimes if I'm worried that I'll be getting low on CPU, I'll bump up the priority of the encoding thread
20:37<mdz>but more interesting would be relative priority of playback vs. recording
20:37<mdz>by the way...what's the status of the keyboard bindings stuff? did that guy send you anything?
20:44<Chutt>they're in cvs now
20:44<Chutt>don't remember exactly what they are, though =)
20:45<Chutt>i need to make all that configurable
20:45<Chutt>ctl-left/right pages forward and back
20:45<Chutt>page up/down is up and down
20:45<Chutt>home/end move back and forth an entire day
20:47<mdz>how recently are they in CVS?
20:47<mdz>I'm running CS as of about 19:30 today
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20:51<brunes>hey anyone around?
20:52<brunes>this software looks amazing. I just wanted to know if it does real time recording of tv constantly, a-la tivo, so you can pause live tv
20:52<brunes>er, sorry that wasnt clear
20:53<Universe>you can
20:53<brunes>if you can do that *and* record at the same time if you have two tv tuners
20:53<Universe>you can do that too
20:53<Universe>I think
20:53<brunes>sweet can
20:53<Universe>I dont have 2 turner cards
20:53<brunes>what kind of a cpu would I need for that do you figure?
20:53<brunes>well for starters, what kind of cpu speed are we talking about for the real time encoding
20:53<Universe>of course, your would need a very fast machine to encode 2 signals at high quality
20:53<brunes>I dont know much about nuppelvideo
20:54<Universe>I am running a rez of 352x240
20:54<Universe>on a P 3 700
20:54<mdz>brunes: I run 640x480 on a 1.4GHz Athlon
20:54<Universe>and cant do more without video lag
20:54<brunes>is that decent quality? I thought 640x480 was TV quality
20:54<mdz>brunes: and it has very little CPU left during simultaneous record and playback
20:55<mdz>brunes: 320x240/352x240 is not as bad as you would think
20:55<brunes>nuppel sounds pretty CPU intensive then
20:55<mdz>brunes: compared to what exactly?
20:55<Universe>there is no hardware encoding cards for linux, is there?
20:55<brunes>I have an athlon XP 1800+ (1.53 GHX) and I can encode divx4 real time at 640x480
20:55<mdz>Universe: there is at least one, but it is expensive
20:55<brunes>and have other apps like IRC, web browser running
20:56<mdz>brunes: so you are doing basically the same thing that I Am
20:56<mdz>brunes: on a somewhat faster machine
20:56<brunes>yeah I guess
20:56<brunes>but I thought nuppel was more like mpeg2
20:56<brunes>I guess it isnt?
20:56<mdz>brunes: nuppelvideo is just a container
20:56<mdz>brunes: like AVI
20:56<brunes>what codec does mythtv use then?
20:56<mdz>brunes: mythtv can use RTjpeg or MPEG4
20:57<brunes>so mpeg4 would be akin to divx
20:57<brunes>does it use the libavcodec mpeg4 ?
20:57<mdz>brunes: other codecs from libavcodec should be able to be made to work, but there seem to be some issues and noobdy really uses anything but tohse two
20:57<mdz>brunes: yes, it uses libavcodec
20:57<brunes>thats what I use, with mencoder
20:57<brunes>I find its fast as a rocket
20:57<brunes>im just building this media box here and am trying to decide what cpu to buy for it
20:58<brunes>I was looking at duron 1.1GHX - 1.3GHZ
20:58<mdz>I understand, I looked all over for this kind of specs when I was building my box
20:58<mdz>I couldn't find much at all in the way of requirements
20:58<brunes>but I guess an XP 1600+ would be a better idea?
20:58<mdz>you would probably be happier with the XP
20:58<brunes>its like 40 bucks more though
20:58<mdz>if you want very good quality
20:58<brunes>quality is worth it though
20:59<mdz>I may drop in an XP if I decide that this isn't enough eventually; my board supports it
20:59<brunes>im not positive this board supports the XP actually
21:00<brunes>what is this RTJpeg codec?
21:00<mdz>brunes: it is similar to MJPEG
21:00<brunes>how does its quality / speed compare to mpeg4 ?
21:00<mdz>it is a simpler codec, so it produces larger files with less CPU utilization
21:00<brunes>I see
21:01<Chutt>an 1800+ is a little strained to do 2 encodes and a decode simultaneously
21:01<Chutt>with mpeg4 at 640x480
21:01<mdz>brunes: do you have two capture cards already? or is that just something you're thinking about?
21:01<brunes>can you tell it to do the real time encode / decode with RTJpeg, but the recording for archival with mpeg4 ?
21:01<Chutt>a 2000 or a 2200 should be able to, i think
21:01<Chutt>not currently, no
21:01<brunes>mdz: I have one currently, am thinkg about getting a second
21:02<brunes>that'd be ideal if you could
21:02<Chutt>mdz, the keybindings for the epg should be in that snapshot
21:02<brunes>cause the RTJpeg is fast
21:02<mdz>Chutt: in that case, my #1 key binding gripe didn't get fixed in that pass :-)
21:02<mdz>this machine is an XP 2000
21:03<brunes>I bet an xp1800+ could do an rtjpeg encode / decode alongside an mpeg4 encode
21:03<mdz>I bought it to replace my 1.4 so that I could use the 1.4 for recording
21:03<mdz>it will do close to 2x real-time for straight encoding
21:03<brunes>that couldnt even be done with some manual editing you dont think?
21:03<mdz>it _might_ be able to do a playback in there as well
21:03<mdz>but playback in mythtv is expensive
21:04<mdz>brunes: use the source, Luke
21:04<brunes>why i splayback expensive?
21:04<Chutt>it'd be less so if i rewrote things to use the direct rending stuff in libavcodec
21:04<Chutt>a couple less memcpys would help considerably
21:04<brunes>mthtv needs X as well, doesnt it?
21:05<brunes>that wasnt really clea ron the website
21:05<mdz>if you wanted to give up Xv, it might be adaptable to qt-embedded
21:05<mdz>but who wants to give up Xv?
21:05<Chutt>one of the requirements is qt
21:05<brunes>mplayer can play to the framebuffer very well
21:06<brunes>I thought maybe thats what mythtv did
21:06<mdz>brunes: only if you use vidix
21:06<brunes>or directFB
21:06<mdz>brunes: if you use just plain framebuffer, it has to scale in software
21:06<brunes>sometimes I use VESA, but that sucks
21:06<Chutt>you're welcome to contribute code to do different output methods
21:06<brunes>X isnt a problem anyways
21:06<mdz>sure, there are probably people out there who are interested in framebuffer support
21:06<mdz>but I am not one of them
21:07<brunes>I dont even have cable right now, so its all a bit of a pipe dream :)
21:08<mdz>you don't need cable to use mythtv
21:08<brunes>well no, but it isnt too usefull to me at the moment ;)
21:08<brunes>I like how it has MP3 / OGG stuff as well
21:14<brunes>ive got a nifty little shuttle board for it, and am getting some PCI risers
21:24<mdz>Chutt: how do we want to handle setup (the program) in the packages?
21:24<mdz>Chutt: should I just tell the user to run it, or do you want to provide something non-interactive?
21:25<mdz>eventually, I assume this stuff will be in the UI, so it won't need to be done at installation time at all
21:27<Chutt>i think telling the user to run it would be the best thing to do
21:28<Chutt>i'll see about making it obvious that setup needs to be run if there's no data in the tables
21:28<Chutt>i don't think mythtv bitches about that, currently
21:28<Chutt>though mythfrontend and the epg do, i think
21:29<mdz>sounds good
21:29<mdz>I think I'm going to bail on the nice generic database handler for now, and just do it quick and dirty
21:29<mdz>this means that I'll probably never get around to doing it right :-/
21:30<mdz>but I don't think I have the time right now
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21:31<mdz>the most annoying thing is, there doesn't seem to be any way to pass a password to the mysql CLI without it being visible to the entire world
21:31<mdz>so I'll be forced to use one of the language APIs, even though it is otherwise entirely unnecessary
21:36<brunes>couldnt you redirect the STDIN from somewhere else?
21:43<mdz>it doesn't read a password on stdin
21:43<mdz>you can either specify the password on the command line, or it tries to read it from the tty
21:44<mdz>it's lame
21:45<brunes>wow, 2 gigs for a 1 hr program
21:45<brunes>im gonna have to get a bigger drive :)
21:46<TechJosh>i just got a new drive
21:46<TechJosh>my old one bit the dust
21:49<brunes>doe smythtv skip commercials during recording?
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21:49<Universe>you can skip through them tho
21:49<brunes>well yah
21:50<Universe>if it were easy to do, Tivo would be doing it...
21:50<Universe>maybe not
21:50<brunes>well, how do those VCR's do it?
21:51<KeyserSoze>anyone using a Via EPIA motherboard/cpu?
21:51<Universe>you will be able to edit them out yourself... That part is next to be put in
21:51<KeyserSoze>i'm curious if it has enough CPU power for decoding divx (or mpeg2, for that matter)
21:52<Universe>brunes... that was discussed a few days ago...
21:52<Universe>we aren't for sure..
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21:52<knoxx>hi guys
21:52<knoxx>anyone think they could give me a little help getting my sound working?
21:52<brunes>doesit it work by detecting the blank black frames just before and after the commercials?
21:53<TechJosh>is there closed captioning on commercials?
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21:54<nyquiljer>knoxx: like getting sound working for the first time?
21:54<knoxx>yeah ... for mythtv of course
21:55<knoxx>i am using emu10k1 for my audigy ... and its worked fine
21:55<knoxx>but i get no sound on anything in mythtv
21:55<nyquiljer>you have your tuner sound patch cable plugged into line-in?
21:57<TechJosh>you have to set the record input to the tuner audio source (line 1?) and turn up the wave audio channel... had the same thing with my comp.
21:57<knoxx>well ... i have an internal cable from tv card -> aux_in on sound card
21:57<knoxx>should i use an external cable?
21:58<TechJosh>not nessisary
21:58<nyquiljer>also you have to mute the aux_in, right?
21:58<TechJosh>just make sure that you know what the input is
21:58<TechJosh>mute the tuner source, set it to record from the tuner source
21:59<TechJosh>and make sure that the wave volume level is uo
21:59<TechJosh>uo -> up
21:59<knoxx>k ... all this i should be able to to in aumix right?
21:59<TechJosh>i think so
21:59<nyquiljer>knoxx: yeh
21:59<TechJosh>i just use kmix
21:59<nyquiljer>press space on the input to select it to record from
22:00<nyquiljer>and i think m to mute
22:01<knoxx>hmm ... still doesn't seem to want to work
22:01<knoxx>i'll try an exterior cable though
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22:28<knoxx>ugh ... still no sound :(
22:29<nyquiljer>but you do get sound in another tv application?
22:29<knoxx>no ... not in xawtv
22:29<billytwowilly>ah hah!
22:29<nyquiljer>what kind of tuner?
22:29<knoxx>wintv 401
22:30<nyquiljer>try unloading all the bttv modules
22:30<nyquiljer>and then do 'modprobe bttv tuner=2 card=2'
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22:33<knoxx>bttv is loading tuner,tvaudio,msp3400,bttv
22:33<billytwowilly>quick question: as far as you guys know, is anyone actively developing a mythmovie module for playing dvds and divx?
22:33<knoxx>all loaded cleanly
22:34<nyquiljer>knoxx: hmm, ive never seen tvaudio
22:35<knoxx>well ... i am using gentoo ... so i actually just did an "emerge xawtv"
22:35<knoxx>and it was compiled for me
22:35<nyquiljer>now i really dont know what to tell you :)
22:35<knoxx>its really the same as compiling yourself though
22:36<brtb>knoxx - wintv 401... that's the one with FM right?
22:36<brtb>and your internal line goes from the output on the card to the aux on the soundcard, correct?
22:37<knoxx>i actually have it both internal ... and external right now :/
22:37<brtb>that card has what looks like two outputs... are you using the black or white one? =]
22:38<knoxx>not sure
22:38<knoxx>it has 2 coax connectors
22:38<brtb>well the base test would be, hook your speakers (or headphones) right into the line out on the back of the tv card, does it come out of there?
22:38<knoxx>and 2 mini-jack
22:38<knoxx>and 1 IR
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22:38<knoxx>yes ... sound does come straight from the tv card
22:38<knoxx>i was using that last nigh
22:38<knoxx>but i switched it back today and found the sound wasn't working through my sound card
22:39<brtb>does the soundcard play any sound at all?
22:40<knoxx>sound works fine
22:40<knoxx>xmms works
22:40<knoxx>haven't had any problems
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22:40<knoxx>i am listening to the sound from the tv card now ... its working fine
22:44<brtb>mute the aux input and set it to record from there and you should be all set
22:44<knoxx>thats what I tried doing in aumix ... but it didn't work
22:45<brtb>if you have kmix try that
22:45<knoxx>is that for kde?
22:45<billytwowilly>kmix worked for me.
22:45<billytwowilly>for some reason it was the cd in though.
22:45<knoxx>cuz i don't have kde or gnome
22:45<brtb>yeah it is
22:46<nyquiljer>aumix i think only works with alsa
22:47<knoxx>well then that wouldn't work
22:47<nyquiljer>at least i could only get it to work with kmix after i swtiched to OSS from ALSA
22:47<brtb>that's... entirely possible, hadn't thought of that
22:47<billytwowilly>what do you use for a desktop?
22:47<knoxx>with just xdm
22:48<billytwowilly>Well, I'm out of ideas.. sorry.. (that's assuming I had any to begin with;)
22:49<knoxx>i just muted everything except for speakers and vol
22:49<knoxx>and its still not working
22:51<knoxx>i think aumix works though
22:51<knoxx>it can mute my output fine
22:52<knoxx>are there any special libraries that I may be missing
22:52<knoxx>i remember something about alsa-oss conversion from somewhere
22:52<brtb>does it just play out of aux?
22:52<brtb>if you unmute it?
22:53<knoxx>ummm ... i don't understand what you mean
22:54<brtb>if you activate the tuner, it should play out of aux directly, without going through thr record-deencode step in mythtv
22:55<knoxx>so you mean connecting my speakers to the tv tuner?
22:55<brtb>if you connect speakers to the tv tuner you get sound, correct?
22:55<knoxx>tv card has sound by itself
22:56<knoxx>and my sound card works by itself
22:56<knoxx>but for some reason they won't share :(
22:57<brtb>ok, so the soundcard isn't accepting the input. you've tried an external cable from the tv card to the line-in on the audigy?
22:57<brtb>nothing when you enable the line-in volume?
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22:58<nyquiljer>you certain youre plugged into the line-in on the soundcard?
22:58<brtb>it's something about your soundcard
22:59<knoxx>yeah ... i am
22:59<knoxx>i just looked up the documentation to be sure
23:00<brtb>possible the emu10k1 isn't recognizing the audigy inputs correctly?
23:00<brtb>the emu10k1 module I mean
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23:00<knoxx>yeah ... i am starting to think that
23:01<brtb>newest thing I've ever tried on that module is a sb live
23:01<knoxx>so if i have my portable cd player connected to line-in on my sound card
23:01<knoxx>it should play right?
23:01<brtb>just keep the volume on the cdplayer relatively low
23:02<knoxx>do i have to set record to the correct line-in?
23:02<brtb>to playback no
23:02<brtb>you should be able to listen just with it unmuted
23:02<knoxx>yeah ... thats not working
23:03<brtb>what kernel version?
23:04<brtb>my 2.4.18 emu10k1 driver doesn't say anything about audigy anywhere
23:04<knoxx>yeah ... i think its rather new
23:04<knoxx>and probably not fully supported
23:07<knoxx>should i try changing the output from digital to analog?
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23:44<fcake>oh boy
23:45<fcake>now i get my sound working ... and i can't change channels anymore
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23:58<fcake>i don't understand how mute/rec on the sound card input should work
23:58<fcake>when i load my bttv drivers
23:58<fcake>the sound starts going through my line input
23:59<fcake>but then nothing else can use my dsp device