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00:21<mirk_dt>Chutt: you around?
00:22<mirk_dt>fwiw, I remember having the same "stretched video" problem with mplayer.
00:22<mirk_dt>I had to pass some parameters to mplayer to get the aspect ratio right.
00:38<Chutt>remember what those parameters were?
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00:44<mirk_dt>I was just looking for them.
00:45<mirk_dt>I'm pretty sure this problem is specific to my ATI card / drivers, though.
00:45<mirk_dt>I think I remember seeing some posts about it or something.
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00:45<kaveh420>anyone here?
00:45<mirk_dt>ATI rage 128
00:46<kaveh420>hey what do you guys run with mythtv? can anyone recommend a KDE alternative?
00:46<kaveh420>more basic use less resources
00:46<Chutt>fvwm works
00:47<Chutt>you could try twm
00:47<kaveh420>i finally got myth recording and playing back the audio right
00:47<kaveh420>whates the difference? between twm an d fvwm
00:48<Chutt>twm's much more basic
00:48<kaveh420>and how do you specify it to load instead of KDE when X starts?
00:49<Chutt>either edit .xinitrc or .xserverrc
00:50<kaveh420>are they under /etc/X11?
00:50<Chutt>in your homedir
00:53<kaveh420>i'm having trouble with the su command why can't i su to the root?
00:53<Chutt>wouldn't know.
00:53<kaveh420>ok brb
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00:56<kaveh420>i couldn't find those config files in my home directory
00:57<Chutt>you'll have to create them
00:58<kaveh420>so what is the syntax for the setting?
00:59<Chutt>you should really read the xfree docs, or whatnot
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01:03<kaveh420>ok thanks, brb
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01:09<mirk_dt>Chutt: found the option for mplayer!
01:09<mirk_dt>-vo x11
01:09<Chutt>well, that won't work with mythtv =)
01:09<Chutt>since it currently only outputs using xv
01:10<mirk_dt>did you write mythtv?
01:10<mirk_dt>it might be worth a note in the FAQ that the Rage128 has this problem.
01:11<Chutt>i don't have any hardware stuff in the faq, i don't think
01:11<mirk_dt>btw. cool piece of software. :-)
01:12<mirk_dt>ahh, well this is not a problem. I was just checking out mythtv to see if I could get it to work before buying a new computer to run it.
01:12<mirk_dt>I'm going to get a Matrox G400 this weekend.
01:14<mirk_dt>well, gotta work tomorrow. good night.
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01:15<Chutt>how to deal with the guy that wants to tell me how to design UIs
01:27<bigguy>you want to kick him in the jewels
01:28<Chutt>hey bigguy.
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02:04<Soopaman>Chutt, what was that ui guy saying?
02:04<Soopaman>(hopefully it wasn't me :P )
02:05<Chutt>whining about the delete and playback functions being separated
02:05<Chutt>two separate menu entries, different information in the dialogs
02:06<Soopaman>did he give you some code as a solution to the "problem" he fond?
02:06<Chutt>someone did, i rejected it :p
02:06<Soopaman>anu reason why?
02:06<Chutt>it makes more sense to me the way it is
02:06<Chutt>when you're selecting something to play back, you don't need to know how big the file is
02:06<Soopaman>logically, or ui wise?
02:06<Chutt>or how much room is left to record with
02:07<Chutt>so showing that information just clutters the ui
02:07<Soopaman>that is true... but it would look cool, but it isn't a requirement
02:07<Chutt>its all shown in the delete ui, though
02:07<Soopaman>well that makes sense
02:07<Soopaman>you are more than likely deleting to free up space to record with
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02:08<bigguy>maybe you could make it an option to settings.txt
02:08<Chutt>nope =)
02:08<Soopaman>but i can see the ease thing if you wanted to completely make a module out of that
02:08<Soopaman>stubborn chutt
02:08<Soopaman>you sure are funny
02:08<Chutt>the UI would need to be changed, really
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02:09* bigguyis building a machine for myth
02:09<Chutt>bigguy, have you ever run it? you've been on the mailing list forever
02:09<bigguy>I gotta wait on my 1u copper hsf tho
02:09<bigguy>Chutt: nope
02:09<Soopaman>nor have i
02:10<Soopaman>i am crazy though
02:10<bigguy>while I was in Alabama I had no means to get linux after my hdd crashed
02:10<bigguy>don't have access to a constant connection
02:10<bigguy>but I am back now
02:11<bigguy>need to find a job and get my cousin to use his cable bandwidth for the greater good
02:11<bigguy>instead of all porn all the time ;)
02:12<bigguy>but for some reason this machine is running about 15 deg C cooler since the move
02:12<bigguy>of course the temp probe on the abit boards are badly off
02:13<Chutt>mine was 10C too hot when i first got it, they put out a new bios version just to drop the reported temperature
02:13<bigguy>I got the bios
02:13<bigguy>but it didn't change for me
02:14<bigguy>I had to use a digital temp probe to calibrate MBM
02:15<bigguy>I noticed you said one of your cards allows you to get the audio directly from it. Which card was that?
02:16<Chutt>hauppauge wintv-radio
02:16<bigguy>wonder if my wintv-go or stb bt848 based card would allow that
02:17<Chutt>i think it may be 878 only
02:17<Chutt>and it depends on how they hooked things up on the card
02:17<bigguy>perfect housing for a mythtv machine
02:17<Soopaman>yeah that was a cool mod
02:18<bigguy>hardforums and pheatonforums are the best
02:19<bigguy>I've bought a few nice items from the fs/ft forum
02:19<Soopaman>really, like what/
02:19* bigguylooks for cheap 3mm blue leds
02:20<bigguy>Soopaman: got a new 20gig fujitsu laptop harddrive oem sealed for $55 a few weeks ago
02:21<bigguy>saw a toshiba 20gig for $65
02:22<bigguy>gonna put the laptop harddrive, laptop dvd drive and vfd in the 3 external 5.25 bays
02:23<bigguy>got a brand new 20x4 VFD steal sealed and in the brown Futaba box for $15 and the guy even through in 4ft cable to use it on the parallel port for $15
02:24<bigguy>I called up a futaba dealer to get the spec sheet
02:24<bigguy>the guy told me they sell them for ALOT more than $15
02:25<Soopaman>are there any laptop disc drives with motorized trays?
02:25<bigguy>unless you buy like 3000 at a time
02:25<Soopaman>was the guy in texas?
02:25<bigguy>the seller?
02:25<Soopaman>'cause i got some futubas for cheap from a guy
02:25<bigguy>MI I think
02:25<Soopaman>because they are clean pulls
02:26<bigguy>I also had an IBM Point of sale display but futaba told me they couldnt release the specs on it
02:26<Soopaman>let me see if i still have specs
02:26<Soopaman>do you have the model #?
02:27<Soopaman>just in case it is the same model
02:27<Soopaman>i have
02:27<bigguy>was yours a Point of Sale display?
02:28<bigguy>does it have what looks like a rj45 connection?
02:28<bigguy>cause if not you got a different model
02:28<Soopaman>2 20x2 ribbon
02:28<Soopaman>err connector
02:29<bigguy>20x4 is good enough for me
02:29<bigguy>kept losing on my bids for a 40x2 vfd on ebay
02:30<bigguy>some people will pay outrageous amounts just to win
02:32<Soopaman>does that guy who sold you the futuba for 15 bucks have a few?
02:33<bigguy>I needed a black desktop case for my htpc so I bought one from a guy on hardforums and he left a cel 400 machine in it an gave me a nice china made wireless keyboard
02:34<bigguy>it seems to work from about 20-25 ft away so I'm happy
02:35<bigguy>anyway I'm gonna get some dvd ripping action going and head to bed
02:35<bigguy>talk to you guys later
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16:30<Universe>Chutt... Did you fix the problems with gcc 3.2?
16:31* zyttadances.
16:32<Chutt>i might've broken it again
16:32<Universe>of course
16:32<Chutt>i don't know
16:32<Chutt>something not compiling?
16:33<Universe>the day I decide to make new from cvs
16:33<Chutt>what's the error?
16:33<Universe>let me check something really quick
16:35<Universe>main.o: In function `main':
16:35<Universe>main.o(.text+0x6c): undefined reference to `MythContext::MythContext[in-charge]()'
16:35<Universe>main.o(.text+0x7a): undefined reference to `MythContext::LoadQtConfig()'
16:36<Chutt>try deleting libmyth* from /usr/local/lib
16:36<Universe>and a couple of others
16:37<Universe>there we go... I thought I just tried that but there were some still there
16:37<Chutt>no problemo
16:40<Universe> I shouldn't have to run setup again after re-compiling and installing from cvs, right?
16:40<Soopaman>woooo hoooo!!
16:41<Soopaman>i think frankestb is done!
16:46<Universe>now only if I was at home and could play with it now...
16:46<Universe>it appears to be running
16:50<Universe>I wonder how Ant is doing with the VCD burning addon
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18:09<grakker>Anyone have a suggestion for a capture/tv-out card?
18:20<vektor>Anything with a bt8x8 chip.
18:20<vektor>And if you get something with S-Video input, you'll thank yourself in the future.
18:21<vektor>But don't just take my word for it... :)
18:22<grakker>OK, I've just spent about 45 minutes checking the mailing list archives and it looks like my best deal is to buy a separate card for capture and another for playback.
18:23<vektor>What do you mean by that?
18:23<vektor>Are you specifically referring to the ATI AIW cards?
18:23<vektor>Then what do you mean?
18:24<grakker>I just read a post where the guy uses a 8x8 card for capture, then some gforce nvidia card for playback.
18:24<vektor>So, you mean displaying on a monitor.
18:24<grakker>No, display on a tv.
18:24<vektor>What cards were you looking at for TV output?
18:25<vektor>Are there any cards that can both capture and output to a TV?
18:25<grakker>I really didn't want to get an nvidia, 'cause I've heard bad things. Freezing and stuff, but I'm not sure what else there is. AIW seem to have there own problems.
18:25<grakker>I would think that there are. AIW do don't they?
18:26<vektor>Well, except that Radeon TV output drivers basically don't exist in Linux.
18:26<grakker>Yeah, that's what I'm noticing....
18:26<vektor>And the AIW can't seem to use the hardware overlay and the TV capture at the same time.
18:26<mdz>er, I'm using a Radeon with TV output
18:26<mdz>on Linux
18:26<vektor>mdz: Ok.
18:26<grakker>How's that working for you?
18:26<mdz>your second point is correct
18:26<vektor>mdz: Then fine, prove me wrong.
18:27<mdz>grakker: it's not currently suitable for a PVR application by itself
18:27<vektor>I wonder if my page is incorrect.
18:27<mdz>grakker: you're better off with a separate capture card, as you said
18:27<grakker>So back to using two cards, right.
18:27<vektor>grakker: For more vektor propaganda, see
18:27<grakker>Ok looking now.
18:27<vektor>grakker: You'll basically see me bitch that the Matrox G400 is the "only" TV output card under linux worth a damn.
18:27<vektor>But that's in hot dispute.
18:28<vektor>As in, I think mdz will argue that with me.
18:31<grakker>vektor: Man that seems like a bit of a PITA to get a G400 working....
18:32<vektor>what do you mean? :)
18:32<vektor>and yeah, I mean, I bought the card last year because it was supposed to be the best TV output card under linux.
18:33<vektor>i was pretty shocked that the was so poor.
18:33<grakker>"The bad news was that the maven, or MAtrox Video ENcoder chip, is proprietary and specs were never released to the Linux community..."
18:33<vektor>but two months ago Ville got it works best.
18:33<vektor>I mean, we had some really really really crappy hacked up code
18:33<vektor>that never had proper NTSC timings
18:34<grakker>I'm a little confused. So does the g400 work well for tv-out or not? I'm in US.
18:35<vektor>As of September, if your app is written for DirectFB using the newest drivers, you talk directly to the TV encoder and works great.
18:35<vektor>Even for NTSC.
18:35<vektor>If you use the crap fbcon drivers then it still sucks ass.
18:36<vektor>And looks horrible.
18:36<vektor>And isn't synced.
18:36<vektor>Basically, for me, high quality TV output means that your video player is written to talk to a TV encoder.
18:36<vektor>You write interlaced video, it plays correctly.
18:36<vektor>myth can't do this: X has no TV output API.
18:36<vektor>So, anything else, to me, is a hack.
18:37<vektor>Regardless, even by my 'high standards', the fbcon G400 TV output code is crap.
18:37<vektor>This DirectFB stuff makes it usable. :)
18:37<vektor>(not that the new code can't be ported away from DirectFB)
18:37<vektor>Am I making sense?
18:37<grakker>OK, thanks for the info. Is there a way to get Mythtv to play nice, or is it just not going to happen.
18:37<vektor>Play nice with what?
18:38<grakker>Yeah, you're making sense, it's just that in the 6 years I've been playing with linux I've never even tried to capture or tv-out, even look at it.
18:38<vektor>Do you have a G400?
18:38<brtb>my TV-out method has always been an external scan converter set to overscan... maybe not the best solution but it works
18:38<grakker>UH, well, you said that mythtv doesn't interlace correctly, right?
18:38<vektor>If you're ok with that, why not stick with it?
18:39<vektor>mythtv deinterlaces the video, and therefore cuts the framerate in half, and loses some quality.
18:39<vektor>If you want to do better you'd have to majorly hack something. Most people are ok with that though.
18:39<vektor>If you're already ok with that loss of quality, you're probably ok with an external scan converter too.
18:40<grakker>No, I don't have anything right now, except for a box with an old 3dfx card. I'm not a gamer so never felt like upgrading. But I was planning on hitting the store tonight or tomorrow and building up my box to do the job and I'm just having trouble figuring out what to get.
18:40<brtb>yep... none of my tv's are good enough quality on their own to really notice anyway
18:40<grakker>I'm not very picky about quality. VCD's look fine to me, usually.
18:40<vektor>You can't buy a G400 now anyway.
18:40<vektor>They're obsolete.
18:41<vektor>And the code isn't there yet for the G450/G550 which you can still find, but are going obsolete. :)
18:41<grakker>:-( OK, so I guess that I'm going to take a trip to Fry's, look at all the products they have, then go back home and see what the support is like, then go back and buy.... Damn. I can do that though.
18:43<vektor>I guess :)
18:43<grakker>Well, linux is nothing if not a learning experience.... Thanks for the help.
18:43<vektor>That's what I've found anyway, to really know what works best in linux, you have to be willing to take financial risks... Maybe I'm just a pessimist.
18:44<vektor>I hope I was some help. You probably shouldn't listen to me.
18:44<grakker>Yeah, you gave me some stuff to think about. I don't mind spending the money, really. You aren't my only source, so don't feel too much pressure.
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19:03<Democritus2>howdy quick question- got mthtv compiled and configured on mandrake9.0= when i run the mythtv binary i get "strange error flushing buffer ...
19:03<Democritus2>Using XV port 55
19:03<Democritus2>Illegal instruction
19:04<Chutt>turn off deinterlacing
19:05<Chutt>in the settings file
19:06<vektor>Chutt: I think you should detect MMX :)
19:06<Chutt>but, thing is
19:06<Chutt>if you have a cpu that doesn't do that
19:06<Chutt>you're screwed anyway
19:06<Chutt>so there's really no point
19:06<vektor>I guess that's fair :)
19:07<Chutt>that particular one is mmx2, though
19:08<Democritus2>thanks- it works- some tweaking help please?
19:08<Democritus2>wasnt smooth at all- video and audio extremely choppy
19:09<Chutt>your cpu is too slow.
19:09<Chutt>drop the resolution down
19:09<Chutt>don't compress the audio
19:10<Democritus2>is "resolution to capture at
19:10<Democritus2>the correct place to change resolution?
19:10<Democritus2>or is that for recording?
19:10<Chutt>try it and see :p
19:11<Universe>whats what you are waiting ot change...
19:11<Democritus2>good answer
19:11<Democritus2>sorry wont be lame again
19:11<Universe>everything is record in mythtv
19:11<Universe>you are always watching a recording
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19:14<billytwowilly>Chutt: I've been playing with mythtv 0.7 for the past hour and it's really nice. thanks.
19:16<Universe>did you release a new versoin or its the cvs?
19:16<Chutt>0.7 was released this past weekend
19:16<Democritus2>hmm i changed the capture resolution from 480x480 to 380x380 and mythtv then seg faults?
19:16<Chutt>your capture card won't do 380x380
19:16<Democritus2>turning off the audio compression helped some
19:16<Chutt>try 352x240
19:17<Chutt>or 320x240
19:17<Democritus2>thanks again
19:17<Universe>oh... wow... I didn't know that... any changes to the database from 0.6 to 0.7?
19:18<Chutt>but you said you're using cvs, so you're already newer than the 0.7 release
19:18<Universe>I just updated to cvs
19:18<Universe>I was using 0.6 before
19:18<Universe>want to make sure I didn't mess anything up
19:19<Chutt>shouldn't have
19:19<Universe>ok, good
19:21<Soopaman>hey guys
19:22<Soopaman>do you know of a good fullscreen picture/movie viewer
19:22<Soopaman>like a small footprint'd slide show app with good transitions?
19:23<Democritus2>ok now it plays smoothly - quality is extremely bad though
19:23<Democritus2>try mpeg-4
19:23<Chutt>heh, no, that's even more cpu :p
19:23<Chutt>you can try it, though
19:23<brtb>you could try setting quality higher, if it's at the default 170 now
19:23<brtb>what cpu is this?
19:23<Democritus2>p3 550
19:24<Democritus2>512mb ram
19:24<Chutt>putting quality up to 255'll help a little
19:25<brtb>hmm... you :might: be able to do mpeg4 at 320x240 if you turn deinterlace off (and many DontCompressAudio=1)
19:25<brtb>erm... maybe even
19:26<Chutt>maybe =)
19:27<Democritus2>thanks again
19:28<brtb>i can do mpeg4 with audio compress and deinterlacing with a p3 667, but only on 352x240... anything above that my cpu can't handle it
19:28<Universe>I need a new system myself for mythtv...
19:28<Universe>does it look better with mpeg4 brtb?
19:28<brtb>haven't really checked... mpeg4 is less HD space iirc
19:29<Universe>I will have to play around wiht it
19:29<Universe>I am using a P3 700
19:30<Democritus2>actually mpeg4 with quality 255 is better
19:30<Democritus2>how do i run it in a smaller window- right now it is coming up full screen
19:30<Chutt>mpeg4 doesn't use those quality settings
19:30<Democritus2>oh ok
19:30<Chutt>hit 'f'
19:30<Universe>you put in a key Chutt?
19:30<Democritus2>ok - was getting ready to read key.txt
19:31<Chutt>someone else did
19:31<Universe>I have to edit the source in 0.6
19:31<Chutt>it doesn't stretch it or make it the proper aspect ratio, though
19:31<Democritus2>looks better when not full screen
19:32<Universe>but using 352x240, its close to the right aspect ratio
19:32<Universe>if not the right ratio
19:33<Chutt>but if you were doing 480x480
19:33<Democritus2>but now the picture is a bit too small
19:33<Democritus2>no pleasing some people
19:35<Democritus2>what screen is supposed to come up when you choose setup from mythfrontend?
19:35<Democritus2>i get nothing
19:36<Universe>I dont think its been implemented yet
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20:13<Soopaman>anyone here ever played around with acpi events?
20:28<billytwowilly>quick question: can you control mythtv from a different computer? eg. from a sharp zaurus with the wireless module addon?
20:34<Universe>if you can control a linux box and get key strokes to go through with this setup, I am sure you can..
20:34<Universe>mythtv doesn't support this on its own, I am sure.
20:37<billytwowilly>Universe: how would you get keystrokes to go through? could you remote login over the wireless connection to the pvr and do it that way?
20:38<Chutt>there isn't a way to do it currently
20:38<Chutt>that'd be a neat little feature, though
20:38<Universe>using commandline aguments... that would be nice
20:38<billytwowilly>yah, especially with the impending ubiquity of wireless devices... stupid non-coding ability;)
20:39<Universe>*HINT, HINT to anyone that could program this*
20:39<brtb>maybe if you could do something like a vnc connection with RFB...
20:40<brtb>rfb would probably interfere with the video though
20:40<brtb>unless it grabs the picture pre-overlay
20:41<Chutt>you'd want a interface designed for the screen size
20:42<Universe>I remote setup is worth buying tho..
20:42<Universe>err a remote
20:44<billytwowilly>vnc? so you could see what's happening on the screen with that as well?
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20:48<Universe>hey Chutt.. any news on the mythweb update?
20:49<Chutt>thor just sent a message to the list today
20:50<Universe>I see that now
20:51* Universewatches cvs like a hawk now.
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20:59<billytwowilly>brtb: what if you used something like tightVNC, which has a java client (which is supported on the zaurus I believe) would that still muck up the video?
21:00<brtb>i have no idea, it was just a crazy thought that most likely won't work, heh
21:01<Universe>VNC can't refresh fast enough to play video or games
21:02<brtb>well i was thinking maybe vnc would grab the image pre-overlay, just to use it to send keystrokes
21:02<brtb>but i really have no idea, heh
21:03<billytwowilly>that's not a prob.. I't just be to set recordings and to be used as a remote... It's just a wild fantasy of mine at the moment...
21:03<brtb>and it wouldn't be a real vnc server anyway; it'd either be x0rfbserver, or krfb in kde 3.1
21:03<Universe>use mythweb to set recording billytwowilly
21:04<billytwowilly>Universe: yah, but I'd like to be able to use it as a remote over the wireless connection module as well...
21:04<billytwowilly>it's all just speculation at this point anyway..
21:04<Universe>sounds like you will have to learn how to program
21:05<billytwowilly>Universe: most likely.. or make more money so I can pay someone else to do it for me.
21:08<billytwowilly>either way, that'd just be neat;) being able to use a PDA to change chans, set recording, and stuff from the other room;)
21:15<Universe>you can use the IR port on a PDA to do that
21:15<Universe>not from another room tho
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21:30<billytwowilly>Universe: but the neatness factor;) just think, screenshots on the PDA of what you are doing;) that would be too cool;) *sigh* it's a shame, that I'm so lame, cuz I can't code;)
21:31<billytwowilly>I have a good idea, but just get verbal diarhea cuz I can't code.;(
21:31<billytwowilly>heh, well there's two lines of a poem for you guys, you make up the rest;) it's better than mad libs I swear;)
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21:52<vektor>Chutt: You around?
21:53<vektor>Chutt: I'm having trouble knowing how to find ft2build.h on ppls systems.
21:53<vektor>Chutt: Have you had any complaints about that?
21:53<Universe>I dont think Chutt checks
21:54<Universe>I think he just says you have to have it installed and if you gets errors, you are probably missing something
21:54<vektor>Because it's in the default include path for debian, but not for old redhat or slackware.
21:58<Chutt>run freetype-config --cflags
21:59<vektor>Chutt: That does not include the include path for ft2build.h
21:59<Chutt>by definition it does.
21:59<vektor>On my system, ft2build.h is in /usr/include
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21:59<Chutt>then whoever installed it is wrong =)
21:59<vektor>But that's not in freetype-config --cflags
21:59<vektor>It's the same on slackware.
22:00<vektor>No, worse!
22:00<vektor>So on RedHat 7.1 replace it with the correct path
22:00<vektor>#include </usr/include/freetype2/freetype/config/ftbuild.h>
22:00<vektor>That's this bugreport from RH7.1
22:00<vektor>the guy on slackware, ft2build.h is in /usr/X11R6/include
22:01<vektor>but it's not in freetype-config --cflags
22:01<brtb>old slackware possibly doesn't have ft2?
22:01<vektor>that returns -I/usr/X11R6/include/freetype2/
22:01<Chutt>those are standard include paths, though
22:01<vektor>Chutt: /usr/X11R6/include was not in slackware users' default include path.
22:01<vektor>This RH7.1 report freaks me out.
22:02<Chutt>whoever put freetype into the X11 dir is on crack, anyway
22:02<Chutt>since it doesn't have anything to do with X
22:02<Chutt>but no, i've not had a single bug report about it not being found
22:02<vektor>well, so what should i do.
22:03<vektor>update my or tell these guys to bug their distros
22:03<brtb>yell at patrick, get him to fix it in 9.0?
22:03<brtb>slackware that is
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23:15<mdz_>Chutt: I'm fleshing out the debconf templates for mythtv a bit
23:15<mdz_>Chutt: is there a convenient list somewhere which gives an overview of which television standards are used where?
23:15<mdz_>to give folks a hint
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23:51<mirk_dt>anyone have any idea what OV_ECTL_RATEMANAGE_SET should be when compiling mythmusic?
23:53<Chutt>what version of vorbis do you have installed?
23:54<mirk_dt>and libvorbis-devel-1.0rc3-1
23:54<mirk_dt>came with my distro...RH 7.3
23:56<mirk_dt>fwiw, I also needed to added a couple paths to
23:56<mirk_dt>/usr/include/;/usr/include/vorbis;/usr/include/cdda <-- I added these
23:58<Chutt>dunno, i'm using vorbis 1.0
23:58<Chutt>you may be missing a -dev rpm
23:58<Chutt>i'm not sure how redhat splits things up
23:59<mirk_dt>huh. maybe i'll try compiling vorbis from source