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00:00<Chutt>it _should_ be waiting until there's at least 3 frames in the buffer before displaying, but maybe there's a hole in that logic somehow
00:01<Chutt>hey, for the editing stuff
00:01<Chutt>does the label that shows up that says how big skips are
00:01<Chutt>all display on one line?
00:02<mdz_>lemme check
00:02<Chutt>in particular the 0.5 seconds
00:02<Chutt>guy says its splitting that up
00:03<Chutt>and cutting off the bottom half of seconds
00:03<mdz_>they're all on one line except for 0.5 seconds
00:03<mdz_>which is cut off
00:03<Chutt>i wonder why it's not for me
00:03<mdz_>it pretty much only says 0.5, and you can see only just the top of 'seconds' on the next line
00:04<mdz_>I understand the wrapping, but I don't see why it's cutting it off
00:04<mdz_>what font does it use for that, anyway? is it always the same size?
00:04<Chutt>because it's told what rectangle to display in
00:04<Chutt>same font as the channel number, iirc
00:05<mdz_>that's not configurable, is it? so it should be the same size for me as for you
00:05<Chutt>hence the 'weird' =)
00:06<mdz_>my mythtv system is running testing
00:06<mdz_>so it probably has slightly different stuff
00:06<Chutt>maybe a different libfreetype?
00:06<Chutt>can you change a line in the source and retest that please?
00:07<Chutt>NuppelVideoPlayer.cpp, line 2278
00:07<mdz_>I'll mail you a list of the versions for the libs I have installed in case you get that info from the other guy
00:07<Chutt>the rect.setLeft(video_width * 3 / 8);
00:07<Chutt>try 5 / 16
00:13<mdz_>that fixes it
00:13<mdz_>it's all on one line now
00:14<Chutt>wow, someone actually asked about my indent style
00:17<mdz_>heh, which one?
00:17<mdz_>you do different things in different files
00:17<Chutt>i do?
00:17<mdz_>and in different parts of the same file sometimes
00:17<Chutt>some of the stuff isn't my code originally
00:17<Chutt>well, most of it isn't
00:17<mdz_>like XJ.cpp
00:18<Chutt>yeah, none of that's mine
00:18<Chutt>i've converted parts of it
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00:18<mdz_>yeah, it's a mix
00:18<Chutt>all the stuff i wrote should be the same, though
00:20<Edgan>I just setup mythtv 0.7 and the audio to video sync is horrible. Is there anyway to fix that or is that unoffically on the todo list?
00:20<Chutt>question # 3 or 4 on the faq.
00:20<mdz_>but just read the whole thing
00:21<Chutt>ah, it's #r
00:21<Chutt>err, 4
00:22<Edgan>Ahh, I thought that might be true, but wasn't sure how to get it to let me here what it was trying to playback
00:22<Edgan>Would be nice if the website faq and the package faq where the same or merged
00:22<Chutt>feel like doing that?
00:23<Chutt>i don't like wasting time writing docs that noone bothers to read anyway
00:23<mdz_>it shouldn't be too hard to generate HTML from the FAQ in the tarball
00:24<mdz_>sounds like a good project for someone looking to contribute
00:24<Chutt>the faq on the website's some php/mysql thing
00:25<Edgan>I muted line in and set record in the mixer, but now I get no audio
00:25<Chutt>the new xmltv release is packaged?
00:26<Chutt>edgan, so, figure out how to get audio properly.
00:26<mdz_>Chutt: just uploaded it to unstable about 20 minutes ago
00:26<Chutt>so it's not installed yet
00:26<Chutt>or not to the mirror i'm using
00:27<mdz_>it's in queue/accepted
00:27<mdz_>won't hit the mirrors until tomorrow
00:27<Chutt>yeah, no worries
00:27<mdz_>but you can grab the deb from
00:28<mdz_>it works right with tvlistings2 again
00:28<Chutt>i like how everyone was all crying that zap2it was trying to change things so that xmltv wouldn't work
00:29<mdz_>oh, no it doesn't, they changed it to use tvlistings
00:29<mdz_>how weird
00:29<mdz_>is that what people were saying?
00:29<Chutt>they probably changed it to tvlistings2 from tvlistings originally
00:29<mdz_>if they want to break xmltv, they are not trying very hard
00:30<lichen_>yeah deleting a couple 2's from the source wasn't difficult
00:30<Chutt>and it's xmltv's fault that it didn't follow the 302 redirect
00:30<mdz_>yeah, I thought that was weird
00:30<lichen_>why would they want to break xmltv though? i guess that means people aren't clicking on their stupid ads
00:30<mdz_>it has to _try_ not to follow 302s
00:30<mdz_>I go to their site sometimes and click on the ads
00:31<Chutt>lichen, i doubt they care about xmltv :p
00:31<mdz_>as a show of support
00:31<lichen_>you can also get xmltv to grab the credits cant you? i wanna make it so myth can display the major actors
00:31<Chutt>not tv_grab_na, no
00:31<lichen_>hahaha you're a good guy mdz
00:31<lichen_>oh really it cant? curses
00:31<Chutt>that'd make it even slower
00:32<lichen_>yeah its quite a slow as it is :(
00:32<mdz_>it's fast on sunday night
00:32<Chutt>one webpage per channel per day
00:32<Chutt>zap2it says the new server should be much faster
00:32<Chutt>on the webpage
00:32<mdz_>I ran it tonight to test the new xmltv before uploading it, and it went quite fast
00:32<mdz_>but then, it usually does during off-peak times
00:32<Chutt>and apparently they're adding a bunch of fairly neat stuff
00:33<Chutt>like the ability to combine listings, etc
00:33<mdz_>combine into fewer pages?
00:33<mdz_>a week's worth maybe? :-)
00:34<Chutt>i think that may be a function of the text view
00:34<lichen_>is there any particular reason zap2it is used over all the others out there? like tvguide or something?
00:34<mdz_>I spent some more time scratching my head over mencoder today
00:34<Chutt>wouldn't know
00:35<mdz_>trying to figure out why it doesn't work right with mythtv recordings
00:35<Chutt>zap2it's the same source tivo and replaytv use, though
00:35<Chutt>same parent company
00:35<lichen_>oh really?! now that i didn't know
00:35<lichen_>i figured tivo managed its own listings or something
00:35<mdz_>tivo has more data than tv_grab_na gives me, though
00:35<Chutt>they get their data direct, of course =)
00:35<mdz_>or so I have heard
00:35<lichen_>hahah well yeah
00:35<Chutt>since, well, they pay for it
00:36<mdz_>the video buffer just fills up for no apparent reason
00:37<Chutt>with mplayer?
00:37<mdz_>with mencoder
00:37<mdz_>mplayer works
00:37<mdz_>though it doesn't sync
00:37<mdz_>but mencoder, which just has to copy the stream and doesn't need to even decode it, fails
00:37<mdz_>and in weird ways
00:37<lichen_>oh hey with the mpeg4 codec? ist hat like true mpeg4? and what are the nuv files, is that some proprietary filetype with the video and audio encoded separately or what?
00:38<mdz_>it's faux mpeg4
00:38<mdz_>it's like mpeg3.999
00:38<lichen_>thats what i figured :(
00:38<mdz_>yeah that's it
00:38<mdz_>nuv is totally proprietary
00:38<mdz_>Chutt pays royalties to IBM for it
00:39<lichen_>dang :( it would also be nice to make a util to format the nuv files into some format playable by some windows codec
00:39<Chutt>it's mpeg4
00:39<Chutt>should be decodeable by pretty much anything
00:40<lichen_>like just take the nuv file and have it be playable? isn't there like an mp3 audio track in it o rsomething?
00:40<Chutt>well, no
00:40<Chutt>the file format isn't mp4
00:40<mdz_>there is no mpeg-4 file format, is there?
00:40<mdz_>you can't have an mpeg-4 elementary stream or anything I don't think
00:41<Chutt>yeah, there is
00:41<Chutt>it's basically the qt format, though
00:41<lichen_>supposedly the new qt plays true mpeg4
00:41<Chutt>all the file formats are just wrapper things, really
00:41<Chutt>they can encapsulate many types of video and audio
00:42<mdz_>except nuppelvideo
00:42<mdz_>which could only hold rtjpeg until you mutated it
00:43<mdz_>what action is a player supposed to take when it gets the S frame in a nuppelvideo stream?
00:43<mdz_>I'm not quite sure why mplayer doesn't sync the audio properly
00:44<Chutt>well, if it's an S A frame
00:44<Chutt>it's supposed to reset the effective dsp frequency to the value in there
00:44<mdz_>yeah, I can see that from the code :-)
00:44<Chutt>basically, compensating for what sampling rate the recorded actually recorded at in that second
00:44<mdz_>but what does the effective dsp frequency mean? how is it used?
00:45<Chutt>well, if you ask for 44100 samples per second
00:45<Chutt>you'll get 44030
00:45<Chutt>or whatever
00:45<Chutt>and it changes constantly
00:45<mdz_>but each audio packet has a timecode too
00:45<Chutt>the effective dsp just makes some calculations easier
00:46<mdz_>mplayer extracts the timecode data and feeds it into the spaghetti engine
00:46<mdz_>but it doesn't do anything with the S frames
00:46<mdz_>it seems like that should be enough though
00:46<Chutt>well, it shouldn't have to
00:46<Chutt>since the effdsp can be calculated from the timecodes
00:46<mdz_>that's what I thought
00:46<Chutt>and the length of the buffers
00:47<Chutt>does it use the timestamps of the video frames?
00:47<mdz_>then again, I've mostly played with it on this PC because it's where I do my development
00:47<mdz_>and it has an uber-shitty sound device
00:47<mdz_>yeah, it eats those up too
00:47<mdz_>I haven't figured out what it does with them yet
00:47<mdz_>it's a twisty maze of callbacks
00:47<mdz_>all alike
00:48<mdz_>it does a better job with sync than any other player I've tried, though
00:48<mdz_>even if it's undecipherable
00:49<mdz_>really I don't much care whether it plays back nicely
00:49<mdz_>I'm more interested in using it for conversion
00:49<mdz_>which should be way easier
00:49<mdz_>but doesn't work
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08:42<lichen_>weird, i recorded a bunch of stuff, but like one movie came out with no audio while everyhting else was fine
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09:34<fxfighte>should GetFloatSetting in settings.cpp return defaultvalue always? or is this a bug?
09:35<fxfighte>i wanted to use a float value for the horizontal and vertical overscan percentage but had to use an int because of this (bug?)
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10:41<lichen__>hey you know something i would like to work on... mythweb... im actually quite decent at php and mysql
10:42<fxfighte>chut: there?
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10:56<lichen__>hey i dont know enough about how myth works, but if i put a record into any one of the record tables in the database, im guessing myth continually polls those to see if it needs to record? so like if its 3:15 and a program started at 3 and ends at 3:30, and i put in a record in the database for that program it would automatically start recording?
11:11lichen_lichen__ Nov 25 12:22:43 <Chutt> heh
12:22<Chutt>fxfighte, now i am
12:23<Chutt>yeah, that's a bug, but i'd rather use an integer for it, if you don't mind
12:23<ntl|afk>fxfighte: what is your problem about ... ok, chutt, you can do that :-)
12:23<Chutt>lichen, there's an entry in the settings database that gets changed whenever a program recording change has happened
12:24<Chutt>it polls that once a second, and yeah, it'll start in the middle if that's when you set it to record
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12:36<fxfighte>its done then, let me send you the patch
12:37<Chutt>email it.
12:38<fxfighte>ok, whats your email? :)
12:38<Chutt>it's on the webpage
12:46<fxfighte>np.. if there's anything you want changed just shoot, i put some more options (overscan, underscan and displacement possibilities) to help people adjust their output properly, dunno if thats what you had in mind
12:46<Chutt>naw, that's cool
12:47<Chutt>can you make the two mode settings strings?
12:47<Chutt>just so it's a little more obvious
12:48<Chutt>and have the settings default to 5
12:48<Chutt>pretty minor, i'll do it if you don't want to =)
12:52<fxfighte>they default to 5 :)
12:52<Chutt>value in the settings file is 0, though
12:52<fxfighte>actually, maybe not in the settings
12:52<fxfighte>yeah, sorry.. i meant the defaultvalue
12:52<Chutt>just want to make things obvious to people is all
12:53<fxfighte>ok, ill do it
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16:39<[DJ]HaCK->does this thing work as good as it looks ?
16:39<lichen_>it works well
16:39<lichen_>and its alwasy getting better
16:40<lichen_>its not bad for not having even eben around a year
16:40<[DJ]HaCK->? a year ?
16:41<lichen_>yeah its a measurement of time
16:41<lichen_>it has not even been around a year yet
16:42<[DJ]HaCK->oh ok , I though you meant developement stopped for a year of something
16:42<lichen_>oh.. nope
16:43<[DJ]HaCK->does it work with a BEV system ?
16:43<[DJ]HaCK->(bell expressvu)
16:44<[DJ]HaCK->for the program guide / program recording part
16:45<Universe>everything runs on a linux system
16:46<Universe>you can run the SQL server off of a different machine if you want
16:46<Universe>not thats just for holding programming guide and recording information
16:46<Universe>err but thats just
16:47<Universe>guess... and for a few other things...
16:47<Universe>err well, and for a few other things...
16:48<[DJ]HaCK->I mean how does it know what program is on , it has to download guide information somewhere ?
16:48<Universe>it uses XMLTV
16:50<lichen_>hey is it possible at all to write something to descramble the cable channels? like the old black boxes used to do? or does that have to be done in hardware?
16:51<[DJ]HaCK->I heard of a bt848 program that could do that
16:51<Universe>thats way over my head lichen_
16:52<Universe>not sure what it would take to program something like that
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16:52<sefudier>sup :)
16:53<[DJ]HaCK->how do I find if xmltv support my tv provider ?
16:53<nevertheless>where are you from?
16:54<lichen_>dj, go to
16:54<lichen_>if they support it, xmltv supports it
16:54<[DJ]HaCK->canada , I'm on bell express vue
16:54<[DJ]HaCK->ok 2sec I'll check
16:57<lichen_>i think im gonna do this assignment for one of my classes and then bang out some code for the mythweb :)
16:57<Chutt>lichen, that'd be cool
16:57<Universe>Chutt... isn't Mythweb being worked on by someone else?
16:58<lichen_>well someone else started it, but isn't that opensource? multiple peopel contribute
16:58<lichen_>i dont see it being worked on, and im willing to do it...
16:58<Chutt>thor is
16:59<lichen_>to be honest ive never really been a part of a project with like multiple people before... i'd liek to help if i could though, and i htink i could contribute to mythweb
17:00<lichen_>is it tracked through cvs?
17:00<Universe>lichen_... I wasn't saying that you couldn't... Go right ahead... I was just trying to inform you that someone else might be already working on it
17:01<lichen_>in the cvs tree the minimum age on the files is like 2 weeks
17:02<lichen_>actually thats more like 2 months, the only update 2 weeks ago was to the README
17:05<sefudier>chutt: sent you the email with the stuff fixed.. i had to go out so it took a while :)
17:29<[DJ]HaCK->zap2it got my tv guide so it's gonna work with mythtv ?
17:30<nevertheless>but even if it would not support your tv, there may be ways to get mythtv working right
17:31<[DJ]HaCK->can mythtv send IR signals to the sat reveiver to make it change channel ?
17:31<lichen_>yeah there is supposed for that too
17:39<[DJ]HaCK->is it possible to use a tv in that comes with video cards ? (nvidia based , MSI)
17:39<lichen_>it just has to be supported by the video4linux api
17:40<lichen_>the bt848 works like a charm though
17:40<lichen_>the trickiest part is tvout
17:40<lichen_>unless you have an external scan converter
17:41<[DJ]HaCK->I got one but ati tv outs look simple to use
17:44<lichen_>actually im not positive how well ati is supported
17:44<mdz>[DJ]HaCK-: if you think it looks simple, you clearly haven't tried it yet :-)
17:46<[DJ]HaCK->I got a couple of different brands to try , like the nvidia if you don't connect a monitor to it but only a TV , it will set to TV mode , even in bios it's on the tv
17:48<lichen_>what i dont get is how everyone talks about xv, but the xv section in the xf86 manual is like totally undocumented
17:48<lichen_>because i think i should be able to do it with my card so i can actually use tvout on my g400
17:51<nevertheless>today i upgradet my g400 with a g550, so i can put the g400 in the mythtv box, but Im totally disappointed
17:51<mdz>[DJ]HaCK-: that's fine until you need to switch modes so you can use X
17:51<lichen_>nevertheless, what were you planning on doing with it?
17:51<nevertheless>with the g550?
17:51<lichen_>you can get drives for it off matrox's site, along with powerdesk.. which is pretty nifty
17:51<lichen_>well with hte g400 in the myth box
17:52<nevertheless>im running dualhead and AA in kde
17:52<[DJ]HaCK->g550 is that the new parphelia card ?
17:52<lichen_>were you gonna use it for hte tv out?
17:52<nevertheless>hmm, getting tvout to work maybe :-)
17:52<lichen_>cause i have the tv hooked up to the second head
17:52<nevertheless>[DJ]HaCK-: nope
17:52<lichen_>running in clone mode
17:52<lichen_>and everything works except for xv, like i see the myth main menu and everything on the tv... but no video works
17:52<nevertheless>Im just installing gentoo on my new system (the new mythtv box)
17:53<nevertheless>yeah, thats the matrox stuff, maybe we can teach mythtv some other stuff,
17:53<nevertheless>but before this, i have tu get my system running
17:54<[DJ]HaCK->nevertheless have you made a ebuild for it ? I installed gentoo too so I'll need one anyway
17:54<nevertheless>nope, I never did that
17:54<nevertheless>so I will not start with smth complex like mythtv
17:55<nevertheless>but its quite easy without the ebuild
17:55<lichen_>im curious about gentoo, the first tmie i ever installed debian was for myth about a week ago, i love it... and ive used slackware all my life
17:55<nevertheless>you only have to fight with xmltv
17:55<nevertheless>I gonna install debian on my internet router
17:55<lichen_>and fortunately ive had a super easy time with xmltv
17:56<nevertheless>there is a big bug in the gentoo perl stuff, that was my problem
17:56<lichen_>yeah ive got slack on like 4 of my machines
17:56<[DJ]HaCK->yeah I know but I just finished installing gentoo so I don't want to pollute my system if something goes wrong :\ so I think I'll find out how to make a ebuild
17:57<lichen_>what is an ebuild? gentoo's package dealy?
17:57<nevertheless>unfortunatly mythtv doesnt support the install-prefix... so you can't install it into a specific dir
17:57<nevertheless>lichen_ yes
17:58<nevertheless>its smth like a compile script
17:59<lichen_>just use debian it already has all the packages made along with their dependencies, and no perl problems! :)
17:59<nevertheless>yeah, i know, but you have no optimisations
18:00<Universe>I am running gentoo and installed it... its easy to clean your system of the mythtv files
18:00<[DJ]HaCK->make uninstall in the source dir ?
18:00<nevertheless>you mean with make uninstall"
18:00<Universe>not sure.. never used that...
18:01<Universe>not sure if myth has that setup
18:01<nevertheless>so how do mean "easy to clean..."
18:01<nevertheless>it has
18:01<Universe>delete the files manually
18:01<[DJ]HaCK->yeah but that means you have to track the files
18:01<Chutt>it'll install to whatever prefix you set in
18:02<[DJ]HaCK->if you use the packaging system you type emerge unmerge mythtv and it's gone
18:02<nevertheless>oh :-)
18:05<sefudier>cant believe you'll go through the effort of learning how to make ebuilds over having some loose files somewhere
18:05<sefudier>what harm can they do? :)
18:11<Universe>well Hack.. in the process, you will have to create a XMLTV ebuild...
18:11<Universe>and also an ebuild for all the XMLTV dependencies
18:12<sefudier>xmltv sucks :)
18:12<sefudier>i mean, their grabber thing
18:13<Universe>and figure out a way for the ebuild to check to see if you have compile QT using USE=mysql
18:13<sefudier>you can easily build a python grabber without any further dependency, oposed to its 10000 perl dependencies (tv_grab*)
18:17<lichen_>hahah as myth comes along im sure xmltv will be replaced though
18:17<lichen_>to be able to set it all up within myth itself
18:17<mdz>sefudier: a lot of that stuff is in the python standard library, but a lot is in add-on-modules
18:17<mdz>sefudier: like the XML stuff
18:20<Chutt>why would i replace xmltv?
18:21<lichen_>you dont think someone is going to get sick of it and rewrite it? .. i mean i guess it gets the job done for the time being, i just didn't see it being used long term... i guess you would know better than i would though :-/
18:21<Chutt>what's there to get sick of?
18:22<lichen_>hah well you always see people complaining about it, i personally had an easy time, but i could just see someone doing it in something other than perl, perhaps easier to use, more configurable, and supporting more than just zap2it (which xmltv might.. i haven't looked into it terribly much)
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21:02<mdz_>hey, a bug report with details and analysis on the mailing list
21:02<mdz_>how about that
21:48<lichen_>weird, there is this one video i recorded and it always segfaults myth whne it gets to the end of it
21:54<lichen_>i made an strace leading up to the sigsegv, all it is is me loading up myth, picking acertain video, fast forwarding to the end, and it segfaulting
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22:08<mdz_>GUI problemming sucks
22:09<mdz_>lichen_: I believe that is a known bug; you are running 0.7 yes?
22:13<lichen_>i was just gonna get the latest cvs
22:13<lichen_>unfortunately im not a cvs master :(
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22:19<Chutt>mdz, details, analysis, and most likely related directly to the not-seeking problem you found =)
22:30<mdz_>Chutt: yep, looks like it
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22:43<lichen_>hmm, my qmake.conf is in /usr/share/qt ..
22:43<lichen_>should i jsut edit the makefile?
22:43<lichen_>er QTDIR actually, i guess thats why its a variable ;) nevermind
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23:02<Echo465>i am sad now. i accidentally killed the motherboard that my mythtv system was using.
23:11<lichen_>man, i got the latest cvs and compiled and installed it after removing the debian package of 0.7 and now it says couldn't open db, Mutex destroy failure: Device or resource busy when i run mythfrontend
23:11<Echo465>is mysql running?
23:12<lichen_>yes... and the socket file is in /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock
23:13<Echo465>have you asked google yet?
23:14<lichen_>i kinda doubt google has many answers on the operation of mythfrontend :)
23:14<Echo465>true, but it does index the mailing list archives.
23:15<lichen_>it would be nice if the archives had their own search
23:23<Echo465>mmmm.. Athlon 2100's down to $87.
23:28<lichen_>whoa 0.8 is cool, and it fixed my bug too
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23:48<Edgan>I wonder how long till a 333 bus athlon is at a reasonable price
23:49<Edgan>lichen_: 0.8 on in cvs for now?
23:52<Echo465>anyone know of any motherboard with onboard tv-out?