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00:00<matt_>can someone tell me a really good capture card to get?
00:00<matt_>capture/tv turner
00:00<Edgan>DigDug: I don't do live tv. I just record and watch later. Yes, it is choppy ever few seconds. The video gets out of sync with itself and looks somewhat corrupted and the audio cuts out.
00:01<Edgan>DigDug: One way to workaround it better would be to get a dedicated encoder card.
00:01<mdz_>matt_: any card supported by the bttv driver should be fine
00:01<devtrash>mdz_: when I use /usr/bin/tv_grab_na I get
00:01<devtrash>mythsetup will now run /usr/bin/tv_grab_na --configure
00:01<devtrash>--------------- Start of XMLTV output ---------------
00:01<devtrash>Too many arguments for XMLTV::ZapListings::getProviders at /usr/bin/tv_grab_na line 640, near "$opt_debug)"
00:01<DigDug>Edgan: I'd hate to think my new P4 1.6Ghz won't handle it.
00:01<matt_>mdz_: i want a really good one though. :)
00:02<mdz_>devtrash: you now have two versions of xmltv installed, and are trying to use the grabber from one with the perl modules from another
00:02<mutexer>should I ditch the 1.3 for a 1700+ XP?
00:02<Edgan>DigDug: It will
00:02<mdz_>devtrash: if you're going to mix packaged software with non-packaged software, I can't help
00:03<Edgan>mutexer: My Athlon 1.33ghz can't handle it. My Athlon XP 1700+ aka 1.47ghz can
00:03<mdz_>matt_: get a really bttv one then
00:03<matt_>mdz_ ya, any sugestions?
00:03<mutexer>thx...I was wondering which one to get
00:04<The_TiK>(DigDug): i just use 320X240
00:04<mutexer>only 7 bucks difference in price..heh
00:04<mdz_>mutexer: for 7 bucks it is a no brainer
00:05<mutexer>yeah I didnt realize that before
00:05<Edgan>I with mythtv would consistantly record sound.
00:05<mdz_>mutexer: the XP is significantly faster
00:05<mutexer>although the 1700+ has a crap motherboard..not like its gonna matter
00:05<mutexer>I dont need a AGP slot anyway
00:05<Chutt>consistantly record sound?
00:06<Edgan>Chutt: A third of the time a recorded program will have no sound
00:06<Chutt>that's not the fault of mythtv.
00:06<Chutt>there's absolutely no way it can be
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00:07<mutexer>MythTv is just an interface to other programs isnt it?
00:07<Chutt>uh, no
00:07<DigDug>I think I read in a doc that the Xv extention isn't supported on nVidia cards with TVOUT. Will this be a problem? Sounds like mythtv requires Xv.
00:07<Chutt>it's not
00:07<Chutt>digdug, no, you didn't read that in a doc
00:08<Edgan>Chutt: I would think a bug could easily cause mythtv not to save the audio.
00:08<matt_>this one looks good.
00:08<devtrash>mdz_: fair enough
00:08<Chutt>edgan, nope.
00:08<Chutt>edgan, if it can't record audio, it doesn't record
00:09<Chutt>now, if it's recording silence, that wouldn't be mythtv's fault
00:09<DigDug>Chutt: I didn't? In TVOUT_README in the NVIDIA_GLX-1.0 package:
00:09<Chutt>since it doesn't touch the mixer
00:09<DigDug>Please note that the XV extension is currently not supported on TV-Out.
00:09<Edgan>Chutt: Saying there can't be a bug in one of the half dozen steps of getting and saving audio is pretty arrogance. And it especially doesn't make sense that it does it off and on.
00:09<Memorex>hey, I just found info on adding 64mb to an xbox
00:10<Memorex>is 128mb enough? :P
00:10<Chutt>edgan, half dozen steps?
00:10<Chutt>you open the device
00:10<Chutt>and you read from it
00:10<Chutt>it's extremely simple.
00:10<lichen_>Edgan, flaky drivers perhaps? he writes the code i think he knows what can go wrong
00:10<Chutt>if anything goes wrong with it, it bails out
00:10<Edgan>lichen_: never hard a problem with the live card before
00:10<Chutt>with plenty of error messages =)
00:11<lichen_>who says its the live? the tuner drivers play a role in it too
00:11<DigDug>Anyone here use mythtv with nvidia TV-OUT?
00:11<Chutt>digdug, many people do
00:12<DigDug>Chutt: odd that the README says Xv isn't supported.
00:12<Chutt>digdug, it doesn't say anything like that in the current driver readme
00:12<lichen_>yeah, im not having much luck with my millenium g400 dh tv out, so im debating on either asking all my friends for a nvidia with tvout or getting a external scan converter
00:13<DigDug>Chutt: Hmm oh well maybe this is some old remnant file from an old version of the driver. The file is pretty old.
00:13<devtrash>make: *** No rule to make target `/mkspecs/linux-g++/qmake.conf', needed by `Makefile'. Stop.
00:14<devtrash>is that the qt thing?
00:14<Chutt>devtrash, that's covered in the readme, and the faq.
00:14<Chutt>and the howto on the website, i believe
00:17<devtrash>so how do I set the QTDIR?
00:17<Chutt>you've never set an environment variable before?
00:17<Chutt>what shell are you using?
00:18<devtrash>yes I have, and I have set it, and I still get that error
00:18<Chutt>export QTDIR=/usr/share/qt
00:19<Chutt>you can't get that error message if you've got it set
00:19<Chutt>since the only way it'll print that is if QTDIR is empty
00:21<devtrash>QT 3 right?
00:21<Chutt>unless you're missing -dev packages, of course
00:21<devtrash>hwo do I check qt version?
00:22<Chutt>but even then, it'll print something other than that path
00:24<Chutt>if you can't compile it, use the debs.
00:24<Chutt>that's what they're there for
00:25<devtrash>I just spent 3 hours fighting the debs
00:25<Chutt>of course, you managed to mess those up
00:25<Chutt>but still
00:25<Chutt>the debs work perfectly :p
00:25<devtrash>well I followed the directions.....I know how to run apt-get
00:25<mdz_>devtrash: the directions said to use the packaged xmltv, among other things
00:26<devtrash>which I used, the source xmltv I didn't grab til the end
00:27* devtrashshould have known not to get something bleeding edge for debian
00:28<mdz_>what's bleeding edge?
00:28<mdz_>everything except mythmusic works fine on woody
00:29<Chutt>and that's only because some certain libraries feel the need to change function names between rc and 1.0 releases
00:29<Chutt>or something like that =)
00:29<devtrash>anything developed past 200 is bleeding edge for debian
00:29<devtrash>er 2000
00:30<Chutt>i develop mythtv on debian
00:30<Chutt>so, stuff works fine
00:31<mdz_>there are as many people using mythtv on debian as anything else, it works
00:31* devtrashis using debian testing
00:34<devtrash>oh well I'll give it a whirl tomorrow, the VHS tapes aren't going anywhere quite yet
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00:34<mutexer>would anyone happen to know how to setup a second videocard (1st card is Geforce 4MX, second card is ATI ALL INWONDER 128Pro) in linux? or maybe point me to a howto somewhere?
00:34<mdz_>Chutt: what's the Qt widget which gives a basic dialog with OK and cancel and a place to draw other stuff?
00:35<mdz_>I thought QDialog would be that, but it has no standard buttons
00:35<Chutt>i'd extend your own dialog widget
00:35<Chutt>if you wanted to do that
00:35<Chutt>try the qmessagebox
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00:38<mdz_>just need to get my checkbox working right, and I'll be committing the first cut at the GUIfied settings.txt
00:38<Chutt>i haven't updated my tree to yours yet =)
00:39<mdz_>it's not setting the initial state of the checkbox correctly, dunno why
00:39<mdz_>I'm going to commit anyway, it doesn't break anything and folks can get a look at it
00:39<mdz_>I haven't changed things to use the db settings yet, it's just for show
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00:41<DigDug>mutexer: You should be able to set it up using Xinerama. Or try maintaining two XConfig files each referencing a different PCI BusID
00:43<DigDug>mutexer: Are you going to have one card dedicated to TVOUT and one for your desktop?
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00:48<mdz_>Chutt: ok, that stuff's committed if you want to take a look
00:48<Chutt>i will
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01:35<Chutt>mdz, the check boxes default values work for me, it seems.. least, the deinterlace one shows up as checked, and the other two don't
01:35<Chutt>comboboxes don't seem to have a label, though
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01:42<Chutt>stuff looks good, other than the silly debian defaults =)
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02:58<mithro>ello, anyone alive in here?
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04:57<knight__>hey hey
04:58<knight__>any ability to run mythtv without X?
05:31<nevertheless>Chutt: i hope, you read this, you better wait applying the quit stuff, since I probably have to change smth due to a new motherboard, so I think I will go away from nvram-wakeup and make a general sollution, so that everybody can have their own scrips to set the wakeuptime and the rebootstuff
05:31<nevertheless>Chutt: sorry about that
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07:14<karjala>Hi. Now with ATI having drivers for Linux, does this mean the ATI All in Wonder cards are usable on mythtv?
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07:53<Droogz>anyone home?
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09:41<mdz>Chutt: yeah, I fixed the checkbox thing before I checked it in
09:42<mdz>Chutt: I was comparing a value to true instead of "true"...that's two mismatched comparison bugs in two days for me
09:42<mdz>Chutt: I thought sure gcc warned about those cases (one was object* == int, and the other was QString == bool)
09:42<mdz>but I never got any warnings
09:48<mdz>in the object* == int case, I was comparing the pointer to -1, which is obviously silly and should have generated a warning
09:55<mdz>I have no idea how the QString thing compiled
09:55<mdz>maybe g++ boiled it down to a pointer == int
10:51<mithro>anyone alive in here?
10:51<Kyzoku>I am
10:52<mithro>i'm having trouble with mythTV, i get "invalid argument" errors when running mythtv
10:52<lichen>you just run "mythfrontend" and it gives you invalid argument e rrors?
10:54<mithro>when the front end calls mythtv it does nothing and just displays "VIDEO<something>: invalid argument"
10:55<mithro>i think the <something> is "IOSYNC" but i'm not sure because i'm not in front of that computer ATM
10:56<lichen>can you watch tv with xawtv?
10:57<mithro>i have a ATI Radeon VIVO, i've finally found drivers for it which include mmap V4L support, which in theory should make mythTV work...
10:59<lichen>yeahh... i honestly dont know why it would be saying that, the best i could think to do is send a mail to the mailing list describing your situation
10:59<mithro>yeah i'll do that tommorrow
10:59<mithro>mythTV looks uber cool, just needs an intergrated DVD player
11:01<mithro>mythTV is the only v4L program i have found which doesn't like the new ATI VIVO drivers
11:01<mithro>(but then i've only tested like 3)
11:08<mithro>anyway i'm off to bed
11:08<mithro>it's like 2:40am here
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12:21<QSECOFR>wow...lota people
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13:32<Chutt>mdz, nice response to the sdl guy
13:32<vektor>sdl guy?
13:32<Chutt>lemme find a quote
13:32<Chutt>it's not a sdl developer, just some kid
13:32* vektorcan't wait
13:33<vektor>oooh ok ;)
13:33<vektor>i still want a quote :)
13:34<Chutt>"Why are we limited to Qt. Why was Qt used in the first place, because of a knowledge base of it. If that is the case SDL still should have been used becasue SDL kicks ass and it is so so so so so so so so so easy to learn and use. Just wondering!!!!"
13:34<Chutt>i think i got the right number of 'so's in there
13:35<mdz>Chutt: not enough !!!!!!!
13:35<Chutt>"Why is a widget set need, and anyways SDL_gui handles that if needed!!!"
13:35<mdz>I used to have a simplistic program to calculate a bogosity factor for emails like that
13:35<Chutt>when i asked since when sdl was a widget set =)
13:35<mdz>ratio of quoted text, ratio of punctuation to letters
13:36<mdz>number of forwarded message headers (that was a good one)
13:37<mdz>Chutt: so how do we go about making it so that it is actually possible to navigate these settings dialogs?
13:37<Chutt>well, let's see
13:37<Chutt>what widgets?
13:37<mdz>remap left/right to shift-tab/tab maybe
13:37<Chutt>combo boxes
13:37<Chutt>edit boxes
13:37<Chutt>check boxes
13:37<Chutt>anything else?
13:38<mdz>the sliders work OK
13:38<mdz>dunno about the check boxes
13:38<Chutt>check boxes won't
13:38<mdz>the combo boxes and edit boxes are black holes from which no focus can escape
13:38<Chutt>edit boxes are easy to make work with up/down
13:38<Chutt>err, check boxes work
13:38<Chutt>i've got an edit box in mythmusic's ripper screen that overrides the up/down action
13:38<Chutt>combo boxes, though, will need something similar
13:39<Chutt>up/down should leave focus normally
13:39<Chutt>space/enter should open up the selection
13:39<Chutt>and while it's open, up/down should leave the selection
13:39<Chutt>err, up/down should select stuff =)
13:39<mdz>and left/right should move you to another widget?
13:40<Chutt>i dunno, i guess
13:40<Chutt>i was just thinking up/down should work everywhere
13:40<mdz>unless the combo box is open :-)
13:40<Chutt>heh, right
13:40<Chutt>but i'm not sure how left/right will work in an edit box
13:40<mdz>I thought left/right rather than up/down because the spin boxes work intuitively with up/down
13:40<Chutt>since you kinda want to be able to edit it
13:40<mdz>but then, the sliders work intuitively with left/right
13:41<Chutt>so i think it should just be up/down
13:41<Chutt>i'll see how hard it'll be to modify the combo boxes to act like that
13:42<mdz>could always make them into something else if that's easier
13:42<Chutt>naw, i think combo boxes work for this
13:42<Chutt>oh, do we have any spin boxes?
13:42<mdz>there's only one thing which uses both edit and drop down in the combo box
13:43<mdz>yeah, there are a bunch of spin boxes
13:43<Chutt>well, left/right for those =)
13:43<mdz>for settings which are not important enough to have a big old slider
13:43<mdz>like the advanced codec settings
13:43<Chutt>up/down to leave em
13:43<mdz>or where there is not such a clear range
13:43<Chutt>biggest thing is to just be consistent
13:43<mdz>now that I think about it, left/right to change the spin boxes isn't so bad
13:44<mdz>though up/down works better for the combo box
13:44<Chutt>well, up/down should work if you've got the thing open
13:44<Chutt>can make l/r work anytime, though
13:44<Chutt>so, know of any sourceforge alternatives that don't suck?
13:45<mdz>spin boxes are better with up/down, combo boxes better with up/down, sliders better with left/right, edit boxes better with up/down
13:45<mdz>er, edit boxes are better with left/right
13:45<mdz>sourceforge alternatives as in different interface, or same interface with different hosting and management?
13:45<Chutt>i think i'm ready to dump the website elsewhere
13:46<Chutt>still keep cvs local, though
13:46<mdz>just CVS and static web, then?
13:46<mdz>so basically just a website :-)
13:46<Chutt>with a db installed
13:46<mdz>I could host it on dijkstra probabyl
13:46<Chutt>i've had a few offers from people
13:46<Chutt>but, no-one i've spoken with before
13:46<Chutt>and that's iffy
13:47<Chutt>it's about 100MB a day or so
13:47<Chutt>which isn't counting the screenshots which i offloaded to sf, of course =)
13:47<mdz>does the sf setup really suck that much?
13:48<paperclip>is sf going out of buisness or somethng?
13:48<mdz>I've never used the web bit
13:48<mdz>does it update from a CVS module?
13:48<Chutt>i think it can be static
13:49<Chutt>i don't like sf's download stuff
13:49<mdz>lots of viewcvs
13:49<Chutt>or their mailing list stuff
13:49<Chutt>or anything =)
13:49<mdz>do they get mad if you just drop files in the web area for download?
13:49<Chutt>i dunno
13:49<Chutt>but you only get 10MB
13:49<Chutt>i'm using a good chunk of that for screenshots
13:49<mdz>so there's incentive to use the shitty download system :-)
13:50<mdz>don't get me wrong, I'm all for mirroring and all that
13:50<mdz>but the UI is awful
13:50<paperclip>they want to keep stats for the rankings..
13:50<Chutt>and sf's stats they provide you suck
13:50<Chutt>'hits' 'downloads'
13:52<mdz>dijkstra is hosted where I can do what I want with it as long as it is non-commercial and does not attract undue attention
13:53<mdz>so 100MB a day is no problem
13:53<paperclip>on your cable modem? =)
13:53<mdz>paperclip: no
13:53<Chutt>well, i'm assuming it's going to be getting more attention as time goes by
13:53<paperclip>that was a joke..
13:53<mdz>it would need to be a lot in order to qualify as undue
13:54<mdz>like sustained megabits
13:54<Chutt>this _will_ be making the main page of /. someday
13:55<Chutt>and there would've been more traffic last night if my dsl could keep up with it
13:55<Chutt>so, i dunno
13:55<mdz>well, slashdot is a lot of hits, but not a lot of bytes
13:55<mdz>a lot of MSIE fetching HTML pages, in my experience
13:55<Chutt>i got a number of irate emails about the download speed being 66 bytes/sec
13:56<paperclip>i saw that the "homebrew pvr" guy linked you..
13:56<Chutt>paperclip, yeah
13:56<Chutt>and it was mentioned in the comments several times
13:56<paperclip>that's funny as hell since myth eclipses his stuff in a big way..
13:56<paperclip>i didn't read the whole thing.. =)
13:56<Universe>his stuff is nothing like mythtv...
13:57<Chutt>mdz, if you think you can, that'd probably be what i'd be most comfortable with
13:57<Universe>its in a different solar system
13:57<paperclip>yeah.. using a pentium
13:57<mdz>Chutt: do you need viewcvs too?
13:57<mdz>the only thing about that machine is that it hasn't much CPU
13:57<Chutt>it'd be nice, but that can link back to my box
13:57<mdz>It's a PII-400
13:58<Chutt>heh, is a celery 533
13:58<mdz>that must be why CVS is so slow :-P
13:59<Chutt>it's slow because of the data going back and forth
13:59<mdz>if it's just the bandwidth, I could mirror the tarball
13:59<Chutt>local stuff is fast
13:59<mdz>I had to use -z9 last night to get anything done
13:59<Chutt>yeah, z9 would be using more cpu
14:00<mdz>would probably be slower except for the fact that it was probably getting 66 bytes/sec
14:00<Chutt>how 'bout offloading the downloads for now?
14:00<mdz>ok, we'll see how that goes
14:00<mdz>do you need an interactive login, or just sftp or such?
14:01<Chutt>doesn't really matter to me
14:01<Chutt>the downloads are only 1/3 of the traffic this month
14:01<mdz>that's surprising
14:02<mdz>wow, lots of viewcvs tarballs
14:02<Chutt>yeah, silly people
14:02<mdz>I'd disable that "feature" :-)
14:03<Chutt>it's nice, though
14:03<Chutt>bah, i dunno
14:03<Chutt>i should just get a colo somewhere
14:04<mdz>sounds like you need mod_gzip then
14:05<Chutt>i wonder how much that'd help
14:05<mdz>if it's a lot of HTML, it'd help a lot
14:05<mdz>we use it in our web application here
14:05<mdz>well, not mod_gzip, content-transfer-encoding
14:06<Chutt>gzipping the index.html goes from 19kb to 7kb
14:06<mdz>wait a minute
14:06<mdz>the Kbytes column doesn't come close to 100%
14:07<Chutt>for which month?
14:07<mdz>december, the one you pasted
14:07<Chutt>which section?
14:07<mdz>I was looking at the top 10
14:07<Chutt>well, it's only the top 10 =)
14:07<mdz>oh, / is / itself, not stuff under /
14:09<mdz>you could just move the tarballs to sourceforge :-)
14:10<paperclip>doesn't ibiblio mirror stuff just for asking?
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14:10<Chutt>i don't really want a mirror
14:10<mdz>tarball downloads + viewcvs snapshots is half your bandwidth at least
14:11<Chutt>i want a box i have control over on a faster connection =)
14:11<mdz>dijkstra is behind dual OC-3
14:11<Chutt>heh, i'd hope so, with that address =)
14:11<mdz>but they're full of peer-to-peer noise
14:11<Chutt>i remember living on an oc3 :(
14:12<Chutt>long long ago
14:12<Chutt>had ATM to the desktop, so it was an oc3 =)
14:25<lichen>you guys are talking about hosting stuff
14:25<lichen>are you in need?
14:25<Chutt>thinking about it, yeah
14:25<lichen>i have a box with more bandwidth than god
14:25<lichen>and could probably hook something up if necessary
14:26<lichen>no you think im joking, its like directly on the backbone to the internet :)
14:26lichenlichen_ Dec 05 14:26:46 <lichen> well okay, its not uunet, but its hosted in one of the verio datacenters, multiple oc48's, oc12's, oc3, tons and tons of available bandwidth
14:27* paperclipthinks you are joking
14:27<lichen>i host my shoutcast radio off it too,
14:27<lichen>think what you like i guess :-/
14:28<Chutt>i don't have anything that'll play that right now
14:28<lichen>but im serious, if you really need something, i bet i could work something out, this machine could take a slashdotting and keep on pushing data
14:28<lichen>its alright, it probably wouldn't be your type of music anyhow ;) (sorry for assuming, but i bet its not :))
14:29<Chutt>just need webspace, room for some downloads
14:29<Chutt>some log stuff =)
14:29<Chutt>and maybe mysql or whatnot installed on it
14:29<Chutt>i dunno what that guy that said he's going to work on a new website will want
14:30<mdz>didn't he say PHP?
14:30<Chutt>yeah, i think so
14:30<mdz>or was that someone else who volunteered and never did it?
14:30<Chutt>i really don't care what he uses, as long as i can update it
14:30<Chutt>naw, the guy a few days ago
14:30<lichen>the machine is fbsd, it has php, mysql, etc.
14:31<Chutt>that'd work, then
14:31<lichen>alright, well if it becomes necessary, lemme know :)
14:32<Chutt>my dsl's saturated right now
14:32<lichen>yeah, i run off my cable... holds up well, but i doubt it could take the amount of traffic is gonna start getting
14:35<Chutt>ok, thanks
14:35<Chutt>i'll think 'bout stuff
14:35<lichen>cool, just lemme know
14:35<Chutt>i just really like having everything on my own box =)
14:36<QSECOFR>i've an almost empty t1 i could host a download mirror also.
14:36<lichen>oh yeah, i dont blame you, i pass up hosting stuff on that box just to have it been on a box i have full control over, but the bandwidth is just insane
14:36<lichen>heck if nothing else, i could just host some downloads or something on it
14:36<lichen>i haven't seen thor around either :-/
14:36<Chutt>well, if i move some stuff, i might as well just move most of it
14:36<Chutt>if he doesn't show up, i'll get your stuff in this weekend
14:37<lichen>before you apply that patch though, i got a more recent diff you might want... much cleaner and more configurable program listing
14:37<Chutt>send it whenever you're ready with things
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15:10<QSECOFR>any plans to add dvd ripping/archiving abilities?
15:10<Chutt>i don't plan on doing it, but some other people have mentioned they'd like to
15:11<Chutt>if that'll happen or not, i dunno =)
15:12<mdz>if the reencoding stuff gets done, I might add the extra bits to do DVD extraction
15:12<Chutt>i'd kinda like to have the ability to just copy the dvd directly to the harddrive, with no recompression
15:13<QSECOFR>i dont wanna lose much quality, but i'd like to be able to make a movie jukebox of 60 dvd's or so..
15:14<Chutt>dvd support would have to be able to pull down coverart and stuff from the net =)
15:15<Chutt>i want to make the music stuff pull coverart / artist pics off of allmusic
15:22<lichen>allmusic > *
15:23<lichen>hmm, i need a pptp client for linux
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15:33<DigDug>I haven't actually gotten all the hardware in yet so I can't install muthtv, but I was wondering, how would I go about running MythTV in one half of an nVidia Twinview setup? I guess its not like Xinierama where the X server knows one desktop from the other. For the most part, X is unaware that its two different screens.
15:37<Chutt>you're on your own for that
15:37<Chutt>everything's designed to run on a dedicated machine
15:37<DigDug>Hehe, ok.
15:37<Universe>as is DigDug...
15:37<Universe>it spreads across the 2 screens
15:39<Universe>you can hit F and make the playback/live TV be in a window instead of fullscreen
15:39<Universe>but if you are using a res of 480x480, the aspect ratios will be messed up
15:39<DigDug>Hmm, and I can turn off the Windowmaker border for the app.
15:41<DigDug>I was told on an nVidia discussion forum that xine can be made to run fullscreen in the TVOUT half. It must be possible to run mythtvfrondend in a similar way.
15:41<DigDug>...with a bit of hacking I recond.
15:41<DigDug>err reckon
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15:48<DigDug>mythtvfrontend does all the decoding and stuff. It doesn't call any external programs, correct?
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16:25<devtrash>hi guys
16:25<devtrash>I have a question
16:26<devtrash>when compiling I get this:
16:28<devtrash>make[2]: g++: Command not found
16:29<devtrash>yet it compiles fine til it gets to that part
16:29<mdz>devtrash: give up
16:29<devtrash>for example: -I../.. -I/usr/share/qt/include -I/usr/share/qt/mkspecs/linux-g++ -o i386/dsputil_mmx.o i386/dsputil_mmx.c
16:30<devtrash>give it up? why?
16:30<Chutt>devtrash, so install g++
16:30<mdz>devtrash: you don't have a C++ compiler installed
16:30<devtrash>g++ is installed
16:30<Chutt>if it can't find g++, then g++ is not installed.
16:30<devtrash>but it found it for the fiels before it
16:30<Chutt>look at those files
16:30<Chutt>you'll notice they're being compiled by gcc
16:31<Chutt>since they're c, not c++
16:31<devtrash>but when it gets to here: make[2]: Entering directory `/home/spatz/mythtv-0.6/libs/libmyth'
16:31<DigDug>type 'which g++'\
16:31<DigDug>with no \ at the end
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16:31<devtrash>blah nevermind....
16:32* uncrfehas a question about mythTV
16:32<devtrash>heh goodluck
16:32<uncrfe>I've been reading thru the info
16:33<uncrfe>and I'm not clear on whether it is meant to be used on a monitor
16:33<DigDug>devrash: why aren't you using the debs?
16:33<Chutt>works on either
16:33<uncrfe>or on something like a video card with tv out
16:33<Chutt>digdug, he messed them up
16:33<Chutt>digdug, managed to get it half installed, without xmltv being installed
16:34<devtrash>digdug: I followed the instructions yet I messed them up beyond belief
16:34<Chutt>uncrfe, doesn't really matter what it's displayed on
16:34<DigDug>devtrash: is your whole dpkg system messed up?
16:34<devtrash>Chutt: XMLTV was in my sources.list so I can't see how that happened
16:34<devtrash>digdug: I'd say yeah
16:34<Chutt>probably because xmltv is in debian now
16:34<Chutt>and doesn't need a separate source
16:34<uncrfe>Chutt: so whatever I have my system set up to use as a head, it'll handle?
16:34<devtrash>but installing the qt-dev deb fixed my mkspecs problem
16:35<Chutt>uncrfe, yup
16:35<uncrfe>Chutt: sounds good.....the spare machine will soon be converted. Thanks for the information.
16:35<devtrash>Chutt: then that instruction needs removed from the debs section then
16:36<Chutt>you're using woody?
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16:36* devtrashuses testing, not sure what codename that is
16:37<mdz>umm, that information about the xmltv debs has been on the web page for weeks
16:37<mdz>I put it there a few minutes after I uploaded the packages to unstable
16:38<mdz> This repository contains woody backports of XMLTV and its dependencies, available using this sources.list entry:
16:38<mdz>deb woody xmltv
16:38<mdz>At the time of this writing (2002/11/17), official XMLTV packages are available in Debian unstable. If you are running unstable, you should use those packages instead.
16:39<DigDug>Is it possible to separate the recording sceduling from the frontend? Or does the frontend actually the the recording?
16:39<DigDug>err actually do the recording...
16:39<Chutt>the frontend currently does the recording
16:39<devtrash>mdz: does unstable also mean testing?
16:39<Chutt>it's not going to be that way for much longer, though
16:41<DigDug>I wonder how hard it woudl be to make MythTV Xinerama aware like xine is.
16:41<Chutt>probably not very
16:42<DigDug>Unfortunately, I don't do C++ :(
16:43<Chutt>well, it's not that hard
16:43<DigDug>Well, i know C and Java, maybe I could figure something out :)
16:43<Chutt>if you know c, you should be able to figure out what's going on easily
16:44<moegreen>Java will help as well
16:46<Chutt>well, all the video window setup stuff is pretty much just c
16:47<DigDug>Is all that done in the frontend part?
16:49<Chutt>well, the video window is setup in libs/libNuppelVideo/XJ.cpp
16:53<mdz>devtrash: unstable and testing are different, with some overlap
16:53<vektor>there's nice xinerama code in tvtime now
16:53<devtrash>mdz: ok
16:53<vektor>you can take that
16:53<vektor>i got it from ogle
16:53<mdz>devtrash: in this case, it means unstable, because xmltv is in unstable and NOT in testing
16:55<Chutt>mdz, the direct rendering stuff in libavcodec just changed a bunch
16:55<DigDug>vektor: it allows one to run fullscreen in a specific screen?
16:56<vektor>i think so, i don't have xinerama set up. ;)
16:57<Chutt>yeah, i've just been waiting for someone with xinerama to send a patch, really
16:57<Chutt>i don't like adding support for something i can't test
16:57<vektor>Chutt: me too kinda.
16:57<vektor>like, I honestly don't know what we do with xinerama, I just know that I added the configure checks and that things compile and stuff ;-)
16:58<DigDug>Well, i will see what I can do. But I won't lie to you, I have very little experience with X programming.
16:58<vektor>Xinerama sucks in a few ways btw
16:58<Chutt>accel, for one
16:58<vektor>one thing we're kinda ticked about is that there's no way to query the physical geometry of the two screens
16:58<vektor>like, you can't tell if one head is 16:9 and the other is 4:3
16:59<vektor>also, since it does just double events, Xinerama is inefficient
16:59<Chutt>you'll get dead space if the two screens are different resolutions
16:59<mdz>Chutt: well great
16:59<mdz>Chutt: changed as in, makes sense now?
16:59<vektor>well it's also difficult for apps which try to be pixel aspect correct
16:59<Chutt>i dunno
16:59<mdz>Chutt: or as in, needs to be guessed again?
16:59<vektor>since you can have different pixel aspect ratios on the two screens
16:59<Chutt>needs to be guessed again, i think
16:59<Chutt>haven't really looked at it yet
17:00<Chutt>vektor, true
17:00<vektor>this is why i just love 'x2x' ;-)
17:00<vektor>or even better, dual head with different screens
17:00<vektor>well, x2x is better :)
17:00<Chutt>i used xinerama for awhile
17:00<Chutt>then i moved to just dual head
17:01<Chutt>then i decided it all was silly, and just used one monitor per machine =)
17:01<vektor>do you use x2x?
17:01<DigDug>Chutt: you mean to separate instances of X?
17:01<vektor>DigDug: no, dual head but no xinerama. xinerama is a big hack.
17:01<vektor>at least that's what i think he meant
17:02<devtrash>will I see much sound quality difference between 32000 and 44100?
17:02<Chutt>won't hear much, either
17:03<Chutt>32000 uses a bit less cpu to encode to mp3 as well
17:04<Chutt>tv audio's fairly bad, anyway
17:04<vektor>Chutt: unless you're getting audio from a satellite receiver
17:04<vektor>or a dvd player
17:04<vektor>or ...
17:04<vektor>You mean 'broadcast television audio is pretty bad'.
17:04<Chutt>which is what most people are using mythtv with :p
17:05<vektor>Fine, I'll quit being a picky loser. :)
17:05<devtrash>actually I am getting audio from my DISH sat.
17:05<devtrash>but I am looking to make VCDs anyway
17:05<Chutt>you really won't notice much of a difference
17:06* devtrashnods
17:09<DigDug>When MythTV does fullscreen, does it use the current physical resolution, the virtual resolution, or does it try to set its own resolution?
17:10<Chutt>virtual, i believe
17:10<vektor>yeah, we have some neat code to handle that in tvtime now
17:10<vektor>we go fullscreen to the current resolution
17:10<Chutt>i need to mess with some of the scaling stuff in mythtv
17:10<vektor>again, we got it from ogle, and it's very easy to just throw it into your app i bet
17:10<vektor>you could even just switch to using our xv output layer
17:10<vektor>it's pretty simple
17:10<Chutt>yeah, probably
17:11<Chutt>current cvs?
17:11<vektor>then we could share these nice fixes
17:11<paperclip>devtrash: did you get the ir transmitter for dish?
17:11<vektor>yes, in tvtime, display.[h,c], wm_state.[h,c] and xvoutput.c
17:12<DigDug>Doesn't mythtv already use Xv?
17:12<vektor>i should do a header file for it but... you really want to just take a quick look at outputapi.h
17:12<vektor>DigDug: yeah but he's using some crap code he stole from some other app :)
17:12<vektor>rather than nice pretty code done by me :)
17:12<vektor>ok i lie, my code is kinda stolen from a bunch of places too :)
17:12<DigDug>libNippleSuck or whatever it is?
17:13<Chutt>well, it's crap i took from nuppelvideo then coverted to xv
17:13<DigDug>Sorry, thats NuppleVideo
17:13<devtrash>paperclip: I have the standard remote
17:13<paperclip>does your mythtv box switch the channels?
17:13* devtrashdoesn't have it set up quite yet
17:14<mdz>that reminds me, I need to call those shady ass people at snapstream again
17:14* devtrashis fighting with mySQL and permissions
17:14<mdz>they still have not shipped my IR transmitter
17:14<Chutt>i've gotten 9 spam emails in the past 20 minutes
17:14<Chutt>the joys of getting linked to by shady places like /.
17:14* devtrashhas one or two IR transmitters laying around, I might try
17:14<paperclip>mdz: sucks
17:14<mdz>I think someone else on the list ordered from the same place around the same time that I did
17:14<mdz>I wonder if they ever got theirs
17:15<mdz>they didn't forget to charge my credit card, of course
17:15<Chutt>of course
17:15<mdz>I am calling them once more
17:15<mdz>and then I am contesting it
17:15<mdz>it has been a month
17:15<Chutt>oh, definatly
17:16<devtrash>anyone using webmin?
17:17<mdz>"the person who handles that is in a meeting right now"
17:17<mdz>last time they were out to lunch
17:17<devtrash>damn meetings
17:18<mdz>time to call amex
17:18<paperclip>you have amex?
17:18<paperclip>those are rare =)
17:18<Universe>not for company cards
17:18<paperclip>hmm.. maybe..
17:19<paperclip>i own a small retail store..
17:19<paperclip>we almost never get one..
17:19<Chutt>my wife has a company amex
17:19<Universe>well... I have worked for 2 of the top 5 auditing firms and they use amex as company cards
17:20<paperclip>i guess we don't get the *good* clientele
17:21<paperclip>i think most 20-somethings have Visa
17:23<Chutt>i don't have a cc =)
17:23<DigDug>devtrash: i usewebmin for a couple things, but this probably isn't the place to discuss it :)
17:23<mdz>no cc, no autoindent...
17:24<mdz>some like to do things the hard way :-)
17:24<Chutt>damn straight
17:30<DigDug>XJ.cpp looks pretty straight forward. But from the looks of it, it defaults to XJ_fullscreen = 0; I thought it defaulted t full.
17:30<Chutt>near the end, it does a togglefullscreen
17:30<Chutt>of init(), i think
17:32<devtrash>digdug: was just curious on where it stores settings
17:32<DigDug>devtrash: where you tell it to. Defaults to /etc/webmin
17:33<DigDug>HOw many active developers are working on MythTV? Just you Chutt?
17:34<Chutt>mdz's doing some stuff right now
17:34<Chutt>but it's mostly me
17:35<devtrash>digdug: thanks
17:40<_shad>Chutt is the head hauncho
17:48<DigDug>Late guys. I'll probably be back around in a few days (probably more like a week) when I get my tuner and TVOUT card in.... Then I can start some work. Maybe submit a patch or two. Chutt is there a public CVS? Is it much different than the release version? Is it functional?
17:49<Chutt>it's mostly functional
17:49<Chutt>info's in the docs on the website
17:50<DigDug>Worth working against? Or is NuppleVideo pretty static
17:50<Chutt>eh, it's changed a little
17:51<DigDug>Ok, later.
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17:51<mdz>it'll be changing a lot once you commit your tree
17:51<Chutt>eh, not that much
17:51<Chutt>some stuff, yeah
17:52<Chutt>but there wasn't all that much communication between player and recorder
17:58<mdz>what did you end up using for a communication mechanism?
18:01<_shad>Chutt: when do you plan to commit your tree?
18:18<moegreen>Are there any good resources on the XVideo extension? I've read some of the design stuff on Xfree's website and have some sample code - but it isn't compiling correctly.
18:19<vektor>moegreen: Best resources are the header file and someone else's code.
18:19<vektor>The Xfree project doesn't have enough developers to do stuff like nice documentation.
18:19<vektor>I mean, they don't even have enough developers to write good drivers.
18:21<moegreen>hmmm...I have someone's example code I found, but when I compile it using 'g++ -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lXext -lX11 -lXv test.cpp', it complains (undefined reference to) about three or four functions including XvQueryExtension, XvQueryAdaptors, XvQueryEncodings, etc. It seems I am missing a library, but I can't figure out which one
18:22<vektor>You didn't enclse the #include's in 'extern "C" {'
18:22<vektor>and you're using C++.
18:22<vektor>So it's trying to use C++ linking on those libs, but they're C functions.
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19:12<mdz_>hah, the shady IR people called me back and left voicemail
19:12<mdz_>they claim to have shipped my order today
19:12<mdz_>apparently, someone there thinks that they know me from a company where I've never worked
19:13<mdz_>but if that gets them to actually send me the stuff I paid for, that's fine
19:13<vektor>i was kinda tempted to just get a PS2 remote
19:13<vektor>and use that :)
19:13<vektor>no numbers for changing channels though
19:13<mdz_>I have a remote, that part's taken care of
19:13<vektor>so i guess it's not all _that_ useful
19:13<mdz_>I just need to control my cable tuner
19:14<vektor>oh yeah you want a transmitter
19:14<vektor>i keep forgetting
19:14<mdz_>I ordered it a month ago
19:14<mdz_>not your fault :-)
19:15<mdz_>I would doubt their sincerity about having shipped it at this point, except that the person seemed to genuinely think that they knew me, and asked me to send them an email sometime to catch up
19:15<devtrash>Does XMLTV pull a channels all day schedule or just a timeframe?
19:15<mdz_>it gets all the data for a particular channel at a time
19:15<mdz_>all the data for a channel for a day, that is
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19:23<_shad>Hrm. I don't see and cvs stuff for mythtv
19:25<_shad>mdz? :)
19:25<_shad>found it
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20:11<Markie>evening all
20:12<Markie>you know what i like best aboutmythtv? it uses nupplevideo
20:12<Markie>you know why i like nupplevideo?
20:12<Markie>it sounds like nipplevideo
20:12<Markie>heh :^)
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20:35<mdz_>_shad: yes?
20:36<Markie>hey mdz
20:36<Markie>are you putting the setup stuff you did in the database yet?
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21:37<patrickn>hi all.
21:38<patrickn>anybody awake ?
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22:02<modzilla>vektor: what's up?
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22:04<vektor>Who was that masked man?
22:19<patrickn>I have a sound quirk...
22:19<patrickn>Can anyone help ?
22:19<patrickn>My sound plays *before* the video.
22:20<patrickn>So, I guess the /dev/dsp is not playing, but the line-in is. My bttv lineout is connected to my CTLabs line-in, and speakers to ctlabs line-out.
22:21<patrickn>Any thoughts ?
22:21<Chutt>question #4 in the faq.
22:21<patrickn>carp, I thought I checked. sec.
22:21<Chutt>that comes in the distribution, not on the website
22:23<patrickn>Right, and I do not really know how to do this via aumix...
22:23<patrickn>Using gentoo.
22:24<patrickn>kernel module emu10k1
22:24<Chutt>so use a different mixer program
22:33<patrickn>nogo, kmix is not helping either.
22:33<patrickn>Hmmm, maybe if I connect my bttv lineout to my ctlive mic.
22:36<patrickn>Yeah, I only get pass-through mode, it's like mythtv doesn't get the record stream...
22:36<patrickn>maybe I am missing something in my mythtv settings.
22:37<Chutt>doubt it
22:37<Chutt>mythtv doesn't do anything to the mixer
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22:39<patrickn>ok, maybe it's my kernel modules...
22:39<Chutt>probably not either =)
22:39<patrickn>I have emu10k1, ac97_codec, tuner, tvaudio, msp3400, sound, and soundcore.
22:40<patrickn>Anyone else using bttv ?
22:40<Chutt>there's nothing wrong with any of that
22:41<Chutt>do you have it set to record from the input you're hooking the soundcard into?
22:41<patrickn>Yes, it is (for now) connected to the microphone.
22:41<Chutt>is the input gain set to something reasonable?
22:41<patrickn>kmix is set to record from that input, no sound is coming out now (i have the mic muted).
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22:43<patrickn>Lemme stop mythtv, and start xmms
22:43<Chutt>xmms records?
22:43<patrickn>Yep, sound from xmms is fine.
22:43<patrickn>Oh, doe sit record, sec.
22:44<patrickn>I have never recorded with xmms...
22:44<Chutt>i don't think it can :p
22:44<patrickn>Hmmm, how about mythtv itself ?
22:44<patrickn>(I have never recorded with it...)
22:44<Chutt>it's recording and playing
22:45<Chutt>when it does live tv
22:45<patrickn>At the same time... Maybe my sound card is not set for duplex ?
22:45<Chutt>naw, it should be fine
22:45<Chutt>if it runs and you don't get sound
22:45<Chutt>and there aren't any error messages or anything
22:45<Chutt>then it's not getting any sound from /dev/dsp
22:45<Chutt>so, it's a mixer setup problem
22:46<patrickn>Let's see if xmms will start at the same time and use /dev/dsp.
22:46<Chutt>it's probably just getting silence
22:46<patrickn>xmms does not say that /dev/sdp is busy, and plys music fine.
22:46<Chutt>because the emu10k1s can be opened multiple times
22:47<Chutt>and they do hardware mixing
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22:47<patrickn>OK, I have 2 "out" ports on my sblive, a green , and a black.
22:47<patrickn>My jack is in the green right now.
22:48<patrickn>So, what mixer do *you* use ?
22:48<Chutt>the built in sound on my motherboard
22:49<patrickn>I mean software ...
22:49<Chutt>oh, alsamixer
22:49<patrickn>I don't have alsa, maybe time to install ?
22:50<patrickn>will alsa work with regular kernel modules ?
22:50<patrickn>will alsa create a new sblive module ?
22:51<patrickn>OK, then I can unload mine, and try that one.
22:53<patrickn>Well, time for bed. Thanks for your help.
22:54<patrickn>(lot's of franco here, it seems)
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22:58<lichen_>damn it :( i was screwing around with the mixer and now the audio is descynched and when i exit mythtv the audio keeps going
23:03<lichen_>man even a reset didn't fix it
23:03<lichen_>wacky drivers
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23:35<lichen_>hey! more people
23:35<lichen_>where you live?
23:35<nichos>central florida
23:35<nichos>orlando specifically
23:35<nichos>you ucf?
23:36<lichen_>yeah, just down the street, by waterford lakes
23:36<nichos>im over near goldonrod
23:36<nichos>you go to any leap (lug) meetings?
23:37<lichen_>my friend lives off goldenrod to.. a couple friends actually
23:37<lichen_>leap... no ide awhat that even is
23:37<nichos>thought i might even know ya;)
23:37<nichos>im going to try this mythTV out though, looks real cool
23:38<lichen_>oh...trhats pretty nifty
23:38<lichen_>yeahh.. myth is going places
23:38<nichos>yeah, i didnt know it, but freevo cant even record
23:39<nichos>bah, dinner...bbs...
23:39<lichen_>hah yeah, and its more well known too.. go figure