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00:19<Chutt>if those people that were having problems with the random segfaults while watching live tv could update their cvs checkouts and let me know if its any better...
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00:31<DigDug_>Is there a way to set fine tuning in MythTV?
00:31<DigDug_>Where is it?
00:31<Chutt>well, not through the UI yet
00:32<Chutt>there's a finetuning value in the channel table
00:32<Chutt>uses the same scale as xawtv finetuning
00:32<DigDug_>The channel table in the DB?
00:34<Chutt>you ok with that change i requested in your patch?
00:34<DigDug_>Yeah, that fine.
00:35<DigDug_>Makes sense.
00:35<DigDug_>Need a MoveResize anyway.
00:36<DigDug_>ahso! finetune! I suppose to could edit filldatabase to set the finetune for now.
00:36<Chutt>manual mode in filldatabase prompts for finetuning values
00:36<DigDug_>Its odd that I would have to finetune though.
00:37<Chutt>is it just a little bit?
00:37<DigDug_>-240kHz or so
00:37<Chutt>sure you're using the right tuner number when you load the modules?
00:37<DigDug_>well, more like -200
00:38<DigDug_>I tried 2 and 17. Those are the only Phillips NTSC
00:40<DigDug_>BTW, how can I address the current MythTV window from irxevent? My focus might be on my desktop. Is there a common window name that I can address that will at least send the message to all windows?
00:40<Chutt>'CurrentWindow' in the .lircrc
00:40<DigDug_>thats the window with focus.
00:40<Chutt>well, just sends to the current focus
00:41<Chutt>can't send it to all windows, though, since it just creates new windows on top of old ones for each screen
00:45<TheAsp>joy2key is evil.
00:49<DigDug_>Interesting. If you have a bunch of windows with the same name, irxevent sends the message to the "windowname" that is highest. That works! Now, if all the MythTV window names are the same, I am set.
00:49<Chutt>they should all be
00:49<Chutt>aside from maybe the video output
00:51<DigDug_>yeah, output seems to be called MythTV.
00:51<DigDug_>others are "mythfrontend"
00:51<DigDug_>I'll fix that too :0
00:52<DigDug_>also, I noticed that the Dialog for adding/editing profiles doesn't obey my geometry settings. Or it doesn't get them.
00:52<Chutt>yeah, those are separate still
00:53<Chutt>there was a problem with them using the base dialog class
00:53<DigDug_>It appears in screen 0.
00:53<DigDug_>Oh ok
00:56<DigDug_>Are there any other windows like that that youcan think of?
00:56<Chutt>everything else is using the MythDialog class
00:57<Chutt>well, in mythtv
00:57<Chutt>the other programs aren't yet
00:57<Chutt>but i'm in the process of changing them over to it right now
01:06<DigDug_>Is it ok to call the XvOutput window "mythfrontend"?
01:07<Chutt>it'll only get called that if it's run from the frontend, of course
01:07<Chutt>the rest of the windows, that is
01:09<DigDug_>The XvOutput name is hardcoded.
01:10<DigDug_>Oh, you mean its only called "mythfrondend" because it was run from a programmed called "mythfrontend?"
01:10<Chutt>that's how qt creates windows
01:10<Chutt>unless you override it
01:10<DigDug_>mythfrondend is the only program I am going to need to address with a remote, correct?
01:10<Chutt>well, no
01:11<Chutt>unless you don't run any of the other programs
01:11<DigDug_>Oh, mythgame, mythweb, etc..
01:11<Chutt>right, they'll get different names
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01:14<DigDug_>Too bad I can't change the "mode" of my remote to send different commands. Like universal remote has "VCR" "TV" "DVD"
01:14<DigDug_>r rather, different sets of commands.
01:15<DigDug_>would it be reasonable to pick a single name for all mythtv windows?
01:15<DigDug_>override the name that Qt gives it?
01:15<Chutt>i dunno
01:16<Chutt>can't you do myth* in the lircrc, though?
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01:18<DigDug_>Doesn't appear so. Maybe I could patch irxevent instead :)
01:24<DigDug_>Would you mind if I changed MyDialog to set the window name to "MythTV" or something like that?
01:25<Chutt>sure, that'd be fine
01:26<DigDug_>Ok, well, I should get to bed. I didn't get a chance to make those changes to XJ.cpp. I was playing with my new remote and TVout settings. 'night
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02:28<randum>I just installed ALSA... previously myth was working (although with no sound unless I unmuted line in and listened to it out of synch).... alsa seems to be working fine, but now myth seg faults on startup... do I need to change the audio device in settings.txt or something?
02:28<Chutt>depends on what error message it gives you
02:29<randum>Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV
02:29<randum>Segmentation fault
02:29<randum>thats it
02:29<Chutt>run it in gdb
02:29<randum>erm... I dont know how to do that
02:29<Chutt>good time to learn, then
02:30<randum>heh.. ok. can you tell me what I need to do? or do I need to figure it out on my own?
02:30<Chutt>you need to figure it out on your own
02:30<bigguy>always the best way to learn
02:33<randum>hrrrm... when I run it in gdb ts getting farther than it was normally...... bringing up the frontend
02:33<randum>and THEN segfaulting
02:34<Chutt>err, to get that 'changing from none' to whatever, you had to have brought up the frontend before.
02:34<randum>oh, well it must have just happened a lot quicker cause I never saw the gui pop up
02:35<Chutt>to get that message, you had to have selected 'watch tv'
02:36<randum>right... brain fart
02:37<randum>Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV
02:37<randum>[New Thread 24580 (LWP 1442)]
02:37<randum>Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
02:37<randum>[Switching to Thread 24580 (LWP 1442)]
02:37<randum>0x4207c46c in memcpy () from /lib/i686/
02:37<randum>is that helpful? or do I need to get more in depth with gdb, set a breakpoint etc?
02:37<Chutt>i would need to know where in my code that it's dying
02:38<Chutt>type 'bt'
02:39<randum>#0 0x4207c46c in memcpy () from /lib/i686/
02:39<randum>#1 0x0809fcf9 in QMapIterator<QString, int>::dec() ()
02:41<Chutt>still not in my code..
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02:45<randum>wellp, doesnt look like I'll be able to figure it out tonight then.
02:45<Chutt>there's no #2?
02:46<Chutt>you _do_ need to recompile with debugging turned on
02:47<randum>is that an option in your makefile?
02:48<Chutt>in, yes
02:48<randum>ok will do.
02:49<randum>so I just uncomment out the CONFIG += debug? (sorry, I'm a complete newbie)
02:52<Chutt>and comment out the line right after it
02:52<Chutt>then you have to make clean and rebuild everything
02:53<randum>ok, building now
02:53<randum>so you're the main developer guy for myth?
02:54<randum>it looks awesome... havent gotten working enough yet to really try it out, but looks amazing.. everything I've always wanted in a PVR
02:56<Chutt>i'll bbiab
03:09<randum>ok, the debug build shows a little more in gdb, not sure if its into your code yet:
03:09<randum>#0 0x4207c46c in memcpy () from /lib/i686/
03:09<randum>#1 0x080afcb0 in QImage::height() const ()
03:09<randum>#2 0x080b1058 in QImage::height() const ()
03:09<randum>#3 0x08097043 in QValueListNode<QString>::~QValueListNode() ()
03:09<randum>#4 0x080975fb in QValueListNode<QString>::~QValueListNode() ()
03:09<randum>#5 0x08096421 in QValueListNode<QString>::~QValueListNode() ()
03:09<randum>#6 0x0807a81f in QMetaObject::slotOffset() const ()
03:10<randum>#7 0x4076e941 in pthread_start_thread () from /lib/i686/
03:10<randum>#8 0x4076ea45 in pthread_start_thread_event () from /lib/i686/
03:11<Chutt>nope, that's pretty much just junk
03:12<randum>wait, with the new build I forgot my settings.txt got nuked... reset it to the proper video directory, now its not segfaulting anymore
03:14<Chutt>that's fairly odd, it should complain about that
03:15<randum>yeah, now its running fine... although no audio
03:16<randum>do I need to run setup again after a new build?
03:18<Chutt>if something changed
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03:18<randum>something like switching from oss to alsa?
03:25<randum>am I supposed to still be specifying /dev/dsp as my audio device?
03:26<Chutt>you do need to be loading alsa's oss emulation modules, of course
03:27<randum>I followed the quick setup guide for alsa, which I think included that... xmms (outputing to oss output plugin) still works, so I'm guessing that means the oss emulation is working
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03:29<randum>reran setup... still no audio
03:35<randum>do I need to set the recording source in alsamixer? or in the standard oss mixer?
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03:49<boo>hi anyone around? i'm trying to find a script to change the channels for ATT Digital Cable boxes and am having trouble finding it anyone managed to do this ?
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04:41<Soopaman>Chutt, what is the differences between alsa/oss and esound?
04:41<Soopaman>like why are there so many different audio types, and why did you choose alsa?
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09:07<knight_>hey hey
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10:06* lisciolearns even more that finding all the parts at a single supplier can become quite tedious... :)
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10:18<knight_>hmmm. whenever i exit a sub-menu, the keyboard focus changes back to my other X-Screen
10:18<knight_>and i cant seem to regain focus other than force quitting the frontend and restarteing it
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10:44<liscio_>weird. router croaked briefly.
10:44<liscio_>knight_: did you get my last message asking about your window manager?
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11:02<knight_>liscio, sorry no what was it?
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11:08<liscio>knight_: I just asked what wm you use...
11:09* lisciostarts menuconfig'ing his kernel for the new mainboard on its way... :)
11:26<knight_>liscio, KDE 3.0.4
11:28<liscio>knight_: hmm...have you tried a lighter-weight wm?
11:28<liscio>knight_: I'm using fvwm and it works pretty well...
11:28<liscio>knight_: if you're stuck on kde for other things, you can just set up a mythtv user with its own fvwm window manager x session...
11:29<knight_>it was working fine before
11:29<knight_>i'm not sure what changed
11:29<liscio>so all of a sudden the windows aren't listening to you, correct?
11:29<knight_>I'm pretty stuck on KDE btw
11:29<knight_>well, the on screen right
11:29<knight_>when i exit a menu to the previous menu
11:30<liscio>I can imagine why you use KDE if you use linux on your desktop... :)
11:30<knight_>the focus autom,atically goes back to the terminal
11:30<liscio>oh. now that is strange.
11:30<knight_>then i try to "click" on the other screen and it doesnt help
11:30<liscio>do you have anything weird like "focus follows mouse" turned on?
11:30<liscio>or other strange focus behaviors?
11:30<liscio>hmm...this is with 0.7?
11:31<liscio>Ahh...I see. :)
11:31<liscio>Who knows what's wrong given the current state of CVS...
11:32<liscio>I've been using one from a few days ago and won't touch a newer one until I know I have time to help debug it thoroughly. :P
11:32<liscio>that will be thursday night, for sure. :)
11:35<liscio>Hopefully I got all my mobo parts covered in the kernel...
11:36<liscio>USB, Audio, LAN, AGP. Should work.
11:37* lisciocan be quite naive sometimes... :)
11:39<liscio>knight_: if you want to try and debug the situation you're coming across. You might want to look around the code for any Raise() calls (can't remember the function names) or something similar that might be called to shuffle windows around and make sure they get sent to the foreground...
11:39<DigDug_>Speaking for focus and whatnot, i just figured out a way to control mythtv with a remote when it doesn't have focus.
11:39<liscio>I don't know enough about the implementation (or QT) to be more helpful though. :(
11:39<liscio>DigDug: with messages, right?
11:40<DigDug_>Well, you can send irxevent's to WindowName. If you make all your windows named "MythTV" they get the event no matter where the focus is.
11:40<liscio>DigDug: schweet.
11:41<DigDug_>The example .lircrc uses "CurrentWindow" Just replace that with "MythTV" and run mythfrontend with -name MythTV
11:41<liscio>That's a useful tidbit...
11:41<liscio>That's a cvs-only thing now though, right?
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11:42<DigDug_>Should work with 0.7. I didn't change any code to make it work this way.
11:43<DigDug_>I WAS going to hack CVS, but I read tht Qt apps take the -name option. Any X app should take the -name option.
11:44<DigDug_>irxevent sends the event to only the highest window with the same -name.
11:44<DigDug_>At first I was worried that ALL the mythtv windows would get the event.
11:45<DigDug_>Now I just have to figure out how to get the other mythtv addon apps to run with -name MythTV when launched fromthe menu.
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11:53<liscio>yeah, but I think windownaming in mythtv might be a new thing...
11:53<liscio>but that's just what I remember hearing...
11:55<DigDug_>Its not a mythtv thing as far as I can tell. Its an X/Qt thing. Myth doesn;t set the name anywhere.
11:55<DigDug_>Except for the XvOutput window. Which is hardcoded with MythTV
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11:55<DigDug_>All i can say is try it.
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12:23<liscio>Now I get ya...
12:23<Chutt>newegg needs to get with the times and stop using packaging peanuts
12:24<liscio>yeah. far too many people still use those. :(
12:27<DigDug_>Chutt: it occured to me that I can't move the overscan code out of ::Show. It depends on the image width and height which are passed to Show.
12:28<Chutt>those are passed to Init() as well
12:28<Chutt>and can't change
12:29<DigDug_>Thats odd. If they are known by the object, why pass it to show?
12:29<liscio>Thankfully my supplier is pretty good about shipping. They use old boxes and spare cardboard in place of peanuts.
12:29<DigDug_>Ok, i'll carry on then :)
12:30<Chutt>it's just old code =)
12:38<mdz>Chutt: have you ever had to return anything to newegg?
12:38<Chutt>i bought all my mythtv computer from them
12:39<Chutt>and this is most of the parts for a new computer for my parents
12:39<DigDug_>Chutt: so I found a better way to name the mythfrontend windows... with -name MythTV on the commandline. Now I can just send irxevents to that name.
12:39<Chutt>ah, cool
12:40<Chutt>mdz, i'm sure returning stuff to them wouldn't nearly be as nice as buying from them =)
12:41<Chutt>but, i ordered all this crap on friday
12:41<Chutt>shipping was free except for the case, and i got it all today =)
12:41<mdz>just curious if they were good about returns
12:41<mdz>I bought my video card from them, no complaints
12:41<Chutt>i'm trying to decide if i should test out this cpu before next week
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12:45<mdz>does it have the 7-day gray-market warranty?
12:46<mdz>if so, yes, you should :-)
12:46<DigDug_>Sorry, not great with C++.. why do I get this "XJ.h:25: ambiguates old declaration `void XvVideoOutput::MoveResize()'
12:47<Chutt>mdz, yeah, but it's a retail boxed cpu
12:47<Chutt>so i have a 3 year warranty on it
12:47DigDugDigDug_ Dec 17 12:47:50 <mdz> DigDug_: compare that declaration to the one it says it ambiguates
12:47DigDugDigDug_ Dec 17 12:47:57 <mdz> DigDug_: maybe wrong return type?
12:48<DigDug_>Show be void .. (void)
12:49<DigDug_>Sorry, its "int" in the .cpp file. :p
12:50<DigDug_>ignore me :)
12:50<Chutt>g++'s error messages can be a little strange at times
12:50<mdz>that's an understatement
12:51<DigDug_>Hey, is it normal for the CPU fan to slow down when the CPU is under load? That seems odd. ITs very slight, but I can hear it.
12:52<Chutt>to slow down?
12:52<Chutt>it should speed up, if anything
12:52<Chutt>unless your powersupply's not providing enough juice? =)
12:52<DigDug_>Thats what worries me :)
12:52<knight_>Chutt, what's involved in integrating other realtime codecs?
12:53<Chutt>the cpu fan on the box is annoying
12:53<Chutt>i can always tell when someone's doing a cvs checkout, for instance
12:53<knight_>Chutt, I'm very serious about wanting mpeg1/mpeg2 to improve the quality of real time captures
12:53<Chutt>knight, not much
12:53<Chutt>err, why?
12:53<DigDug_>Its handy though, it (the fan speed change) lets me know when a background compile is done :)
12:53<Chutt>just bump the quality high
12:53<knight_>Higher performance, better quality. I can always schedule encoding jobs to compress it down with mpeg4, etc
12:53<Chutt>or even just use huffyuv
12:54<knight_>My PIII 1ghz doesnt like anything higher than 480x480
12:54<knight_>and it's not archival quality imho
12:54<Chutt>i had trouble finding a realtime mpeg2 encoder
12:54<knight_>I'd be fine with mpeg1
12:55<Chutt>if rtjpeg doesn't work at 640x480 for you, then i don't think any of the mpeg1 encoders will
12:55<knight_>I actually havent tried rtjpeg yet.
12:55<Chutt>rtjpeg at a quality of 255 is pretty damn good quality
12:55<Chutt>huge files, though
12:55<Chutt>but it's really light weight
12:55<Chutt>in terms of cpu usage
12:56<knight_>what codec is it technically? rtjpeg?
12:56<Chutt>yeah, it's a modified mjpeg codec
12:56<knight_>does it follow mjpeg spec?
12:56<liscio>I wonder if mp2 is any crisper than mp4, really...
12:56<knight_>so i'd need custom encoding tools that specifically support rtjpeg to convert them
12:56<Chutt>you could also use libavcodec's mjpeg codec, too
12:57<knight_>ahh yeah, mjpeg is fine with me
12:57<knight_>one of my cards actually does hardware mjpeg
12:57<Chutt>just bump the bitrate out high, and it works rather well
12:57<knight_>speaking of which. is there a performance increase in the live encoding from hardware MJPEG -> mpeg4?
12:57<knight_>versus standard capture -> mpeg4
12:57<Chutt>ah, wouldn't you have to decode the hardware encoded mjpeg first?
12:58<knight_>Chutt, how can I specify the mjpeg codec?
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12:58<Chutt>in the settings file
12:58<Chutt>you can't with cvs right now
12:58<knight_>thats what i thought
12:58<knight_>I understood it was just mpeg4 and rtjpeg
12:58<Chutt>it just needs the UI updated for it
12:58<Chutt>anything in libavcodec should work
12:58<knight_>oh ok great
12:59<knight_>well, on windows, i use to capture hardware mjpeg with my DC10+ using pinnacle's software, then re-encode it over to avi
12:59<liscio>yeah...and mpeg does weird things, just so you know before playing with it.
13:00<knight_>mjpeg -> avi seemed a lot faster than a standard capture
13:00<Chutt>the mpeg1 encoder?
13:00<liscio>it's ugly. :)
13:00<knight_>yeah no i'm happy with mjpeg
13:00<liscio>lots of bad blocks on-screen. Really funny.
13:00<Chutt>there's probably something i have to change to set it up right
13:00<liscio>mjpeg's great, but I think the space usage of mpeg4 is just fantastic. :)
13:01<liscio>The raw audio's the only space issue I'm having right now. :)
13:01<knight_>oh btw, the last two cvs versions i've played with (with the frontend backend split), i'm getting segment faults for mythfrontend
13:01<knight_>when i choose watch tv
13:01<Chutt>try with current cvs
13:01<Chutt>should be working
13:01<knight_>indeed i have
13:01<knight_>about an hour ago
13:01<Chutt>current as of today?
13:01<Universe>it works for me knight_..
13:01<Chutt>ah well, works for me
13:01<Chutt>i'd need a backtrace to go any further
13:02<Universe>Chutt... I had some bad ram in that computer...
13:02<Chutt>well, least it wasn't the harddrive
13:02<knight_>tell me exactly how you want it, and i'll send it over
13:02<Universe>aye... I would have cried
13:02<Chutt>just recompiling for debugging and run it in gdb
13:03<knight_>liscio, indeed mjpeg is great, and mpeg4 is wonderful. but mpeg4 in realtime on my machine is unrealistic =[
13:03<liscio>yeah. that's an unfortunate thing. :P
13:03<knight_>liscio, atleast for the quality i'd be happy with
13:03<liscio>yeah. understood. 480/480 is my low-end...
13:03<Chutt>heh, ya really just need about 500 more Mhz =)
13:04<liscio>...or so :)
13:05<liscio>Chutt: I think I'll be able to build an ir receiver right into the case for my mythbox. Unfortunately not too many mobos are putting com2 headers on-board anymore so there'll have to be some dongle action going on in the back of the case.
13:06<Chutt>you could always go a little crazy with some solder and a dremel
13:06<liscio>Chutt: once I put some instructions online, you'll understand my fearlessness...
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13:07<liscio>Chutt: I did some crazy work at RIM my last work term doing some insane GPRS integrations into handheld computers...'twas fun. :)
13:07<liscio>I was the only one in sales&marketing with a soldering iron and scope on my desk. :)
13:07<Universe>I think liscio should sell a HIGH end version that comes with a server computer and 2 clients
13:07<liscio>Universe: just say the word, and it shall be done. :)
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13:09<liscio>Universe: that is a good idea though, and something to keep in mind. I can certainly go the other way and build a low-end terminal...
13:10<liscio>Universe: for the people who probably can already do the serving.
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13:11* lisciolooks at the price of the shuttle pc boxes much money for so little... :P
13:12<knight_>Chutt, how do you want that gdb output?
13:12<knight_>which data do you want
13:12<Chutt>i just want the backtrace
13:12<Chutt>and, you can just paste the beginning of it in here
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13:14<knight>installing gdb at the moment'
13:16<liscio>so is the general consensus that irda is garbage for ir remote use?
13:18<liscio>damn. that would have been a super-simple way to integrate remote functionality.
13:19<knight>i think lircd is pretty simple still
13:19<knight>and i think it might be nice to integrate it with the lircd socket
13:19<knight>instead of using irxevent
13:20<liscio>I mean hardware-wise, in my box...
13:20<liscio>I wonder why it's bad...Like, is it just the standard receiver that ships with most mainboards/receivers?
13:21<knight>well, i could be wrong, but from what i understood, those onboard ir receivers use the IrDA protocol and there's no way to get raw ir input
13:28<liscio>anyone here build a homebrew receiver with little stress? :)
13:29<knight>i have an irman
13:29<knight>think i bought it for like $35 a year ago
13:29<knight>it works great
13:30<liscio>me too. i am looking for something I can do cheaply and integrate into mythboxes in the future...
13:30<Universe>you can make your own
13:30<knight>yeah i'm sure it wouldnt be hard
13:30<knight>probably a couple resistors and an ir led
13:30<Universe>there are instructions on
13:31<liscio>apparently the ir part is the toughest to come by though...
13:31<Universe>veyr nice ones too
13:31<knight>liscio, i'm sure digikey has them
13:31<knight>digikey has always had hard to find parts at cheap
13:31<liscio>shipping's the only bitch, I guess.
13:31<knight>not really
13:32<knight>i bought 100 prom chips at about $5 shipping once
13:32<liscio>yeah...that'd be good.
13:33<liscio>'d probably be good to buy enough stuff to build a handful of them, then...
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13:42<liscio>hmm...digikey doesn't seem to have squat.
13:44<liscio>they only have the receivers said to have poor performance
13:44<liscio>hmm...mouser might be good to try...
13:44<Chutt>i usually get stuff from there
13:45* lisciolikes canada-friendly places...
13:50<liscio>damn. I hate when I can't find the *exact* parts that are listed on partslists...*grr*
13:50<Universe>always fun
13:51<mdz>Chutt: yeah, what's the deal with realtime mpeg-2? I thought it was less complex than mpeg-4
13:51<knight>Chutt, how do you want me to run the debugger?
13:51<Chutt>however you want
13:52<Chutt>i'm going to be leaving in about 5 minutes, though
13:52<Chutt>mdz, i think no-one's written an optimized encoder, is all
13:52<mdz>I don't know much about it
13:52<mdz>I guess it must be different enough that it couldn't share much code
13:54<liscio>mdz: probaly, but then again, ffmpeg has all the mpeg's grouped in a single file...*shrug*
13:54<Chutt>mpeg1 and 2 decoders are in a separate file than the mpeg4 stuff
13:54<Chutt>different code paths, mainly
13:55* lisciomust have been dipping into the crack again, apparently
13:57<Chutt>allright, back in an hour or so
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14:04<hurdel>is there a way to run myth setup to connect to a remote db?
14:07<hurdel>ok.... =)
14:08<hurdel>i'm all ears, and for 0.7??
14:11<hurdel>doo doo
14:13<mdz>er, follow the installation instructions?
14:14<mdz>a few paragraphs from the end
14:15<hurdel>ok dokee
14:19<hurdel>i'm not actually doing the install :-/ helping a friend online
14:27<liscio>alright. should have the stuff necessary to build 5 ir receivers. :)
14:27<DigDug_>Chutt: I submitted my patch to the list.
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15:35<Hohlraum>hey guys.. anyone experimenting with mpeg hardware compression?
15:36<bigguy>there is mjpeg support but are there any hardware mpeg cards that have support in v4l?
15:37<Hohlraum>i dunno.. i was reading on avsforum (think i might have even seen that mentioned on the mythtv site once) that some company had just opensourced their specs on a HDTV card that accepted multiple input formats
15:38<Hohlraum>i know linux drivers were brought up
15:38<reallybored>i'm trying to find a way to control the AT&T cable boxes just using a RS232 connection (not IR) just a straight cable connection has anyone done this ?
15:38<Universe>no name of this 'some company'?
15:39<Hohlraum>reallybored> most of those cable box serial inputs are just there for output.. they control the box in no way
15:39<Hohlraum>(output as in debugging)(
15:39<Hohlraum>lemme check and see if i can find the post
15:39<reallybored>ahhhhh right thanks for the info
15:39<bigguy>Hohlraum: oh that. There aren't any out for it. I believe it was talking about comercial drivers for a prebuilt pvr box using linux
15:39<reallybored>look like I will have to invest in and IR transmistter
15:39<liscio>or build :)
15:39<moegreen>reallybored: if you have a general instruments dct2xxx I think there was some info on a tivo forum about controlling it
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15:40<moegreen>although they didn't have all the command codes for it
15:40<mdz>moegreen: meaning, none except power on/off
15:40<Hohlraum>reallybored> i might be wrong on that cable box info.. someone who worked for at&t mentioned that the DCT boxes didn't support two way communication
15:41<reallybored>moegreen: well I'm perfectly willing to hack at it for a while all I want to do it change channels i'm not interested in going any farther that that
15:41<reallybored>don't wanna land myself in trouble with AT7T
15:41<Hohlraum>i have one myself.. (GI Dct2xxx that is)
15:42<mdz>reallybored: good luck reverse-engineering it without more example codes or something which sends them, though
15:42<reallybored>i'm pretty ignorant of this stuff so I will have to find out what Dct2xxx is :) lemmie check out that post you put in
15:43<reallybored>yeah at the very least I may learn something which ain't all that bad
15:43<reallybored>i'm sure it will be pretty hard and prolly beyond me
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15:44<Chutt2>digdug, i'll get that patch applied when i get back home tomorrow
15:45<bigguy>Chutt2: oh forgot to ask you yesterday. You know where bma and snow-man are hanging out at now on irc?
15:47<reallybored>well it looks like from that thread it's possible to control the cable box I have through the serial connection now the journey starts as to getting my hands on the API :)
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15:52<reallybored>mmm looking at the cables specs it just seems to be a normal rs232 connection without the handshake pins connected
15:52<liscio>hmm...I think maybe some work should go into mythgame to get transgaming stuff going. GTA3 on my mythtv box would be schweet. :)
15:53<Chutt2>that's what a ps2 is for
15:53<liscio>Chutt2: trying to help with the cost justification s'more. :)
15:53<Chutt2>bigguy, 'sec
15:55<reallybored> thats not all the PS2 can do for ya ?
15:55<reallybored>use it as your play back box :)
15:55<liscio>but...but...I'm trying to justify the cost of *my* box. :)
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16:04<liscio>hmm...and running games at 640x480 on a GF2MX isn't so bad either... :)
16:06<liscio>Thankfully I own a copy of max payne to check it out with... :)
16:08<bigguy>I might just buy me a sheet of tinted mirrored plexi and make my own front panel
16:08<bigguy>won't be as nice as having someone else do it in anodized aluminum but won't cost me as much
16:09<liscio>bigguy: that's a good idea. I'd be curious to see how that turns out...
16:09<bigguy>only cut outs I need really are for the slim dvd, power, reset, vfd, and fan
16:11<bigguy>liscio: well I originally was gonna use the front panel designer program and have front panel express make it for me but its easier for me to lay it out on paper/cardboard than try and use their program
16:12<liscio>front panel designer?? :)
16:13<bigguy>its a windows cad like program
16:13<bigguy>you pick what you want and the order program will give you a price quote
16:14<liscio>oh. i see. how do they know what case you're working with?
16:14<bigguy>they don't
16:14<bigguy>you have to enter your own demensions
16:14<liscio>so it's all up to you...that's kinda dangerous. :)
16:14<bigguy>like mine is 6x16.5
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16:14<bigguy>liscio: I've seen their work tho on some forums
16:15<bigguy>obviously some people can work with it
16:15<liscio>yeah. neat that such a service exists.
16:15<bigguy>I just don't have measureing tools that I trust enough to lay it out in the program
16:16<liscio>yeah. understandable.
16:16<bigguy>I have a router and a Black and Decker RTX so it shouldn't be that hard to do what I want
16:17<liscio>yeah. I live in a condo, so my general purpose dremel has to do for stuff like that. :)
16:18<bigguy>heh you can use other tools in a condo just be sure and set the area up with masking tape/news paper before hand
16:18<liscio>ay, there's the rub... :)
16:18<bigguy>painting in a bathroom with exhaust fan is fun
16:19<liscio>hmm...I've never used wine before. I am worried that it might be a pain to run/install games...
16:19<bigguy>hmm I haven't used it in a while but it wasn't that hard from what I remember
16:20<bigguy>I used the winex stuff way back also
16:20<Universe>liscio.. its fun getting the game to run sometimes
16:20<liscio>so stuff just runs from the command-line?
16:21<Universe>but you have to have X running also
16:21<bigguy>wonder if this printer works great in linux
16:21<bigguy>not a bad price
16:21<bigguy>and looks nice
16:22<Universe>Lexmarks dont do well in linux
16:22<Universe>I can't get my cheapo Z11 to work
16:22<Universe>even tho there are drivers for it
16:23<bigguy>I had a couple of lexmarks setup for friends and they worked
16:23<bigguy>z22 and z25 I think were the models
16:25<bigguy>hmm seems it does work with linux
16:25<bigguy>not bad then
16:25<bigguy>sleek and sexy
16:27<bigguy>another plus. They take paypal
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16:35<Hohlraum>paypal is fine if you don't mind never getting your $$ back if you get screwed by the vendor.. paypal has horrible dispute resolution .. your CC company will most always take the side of the consumer
16:37<Universe>very true..
16:37<Universe>consumer right until proven otherwise
16:38<liscio>so to install an app, you just run 'setup' for that particular app??
16:38<liscio>(in wine)
16:39<Universe>wine setup.exe
16:39<Universe>or whatever
16:39* lisciogets giddy
16:39<Universe>make sure you configured your wine virtual drive, etc..
16:40<Chutt2>why do people send crap to the mailing list that just isn't true?
16:40<Chutt2>they're _trying_ to help, but they're just making things worse
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16:41<Universe>because they want you to make your program idiot proof.
16:41<bigguy>Chutt2: Henk?
16:41<Chutt2>no, the guy that just said that someone errors with his tuner card are from alsa
16:41<mdz>liscio: don't get giddy so fast
16:43<bigguy>Hohlraum: I've been using paypal almost since its begining and have had no problems
16:43<liscio>damn...don't have my max payne. :P
16:43<liscio>lent it to my sister a few months ago. d'oh!
16:44<Universe>you dont have a HL cd laying around?
16:45<liscio>hl works?
16:46* lisciodoesn't see it yet in the list of working stuff...
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16:46<liscio>hmm...3dmark works...that'll be interesting to run...
16:46<Universe>half life has worked in wine a long time
16:46* lisciowill try...
16:47<Universe>of course... its fun to get working and I dont remember what it takes
16:47<Universe>winex runs it well, tho
16:50<liscio>ouch. crash right on calling setup.exe...
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17:02<Spark^>the cvs settings.txt seems to have less options than 0.7, is this because the options aren't available any more, or just that a default is hard-coded
17:02<lichen>its because they are in the database
17:02<Spark^>i've got much better results with the cvs version (full-screen picture for a start) even on my pii-400.
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17:04<Spark^>i need to have a look at the code anyhow, but don't have a clue where to start atm. i ought to really fix sound and might as well upgrade my kernel to 2.4.20 at the same time being as the alsa drivers are patched to a specific kernel iirc and i uninstalled them to try and fix something the other day
17:04<Spark^>i presume the config screens in the front end don't actually store anything as of yet?
17:05<Spark^>having said i get better results, i'm getting the same problem as others with the segfault after a few secs :(