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11:46-!-Topic for #mythtv set by Chutt at Thu Dec 12 17:39:57
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13:29<jy>anyone have an recommendations on a good vid card to do tv out that will look just like normal TV quality
13:51<PhazE3>I have good luck with my Hercules GeForce 2 GTS card
13:52<jy>so that gives you good image when watching a saved show on your tv?
13:52<PhazE3>Yep... looks just like cable straight into tv
13:53<jy>ok.. thanks
13:53<jy>i'll look into getting that card then
13:53<PhazE3>I got mine for like 50 bucks on ebay
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15:09<Chutt>c&d order waiting to happen
15:09<liscio>yeah. good one. :)
15:10<Chutt>i've been thinking that about that freeplaytv site as well
15:10<Chutt>that's _way_ too close to a trademarked name
15:11<liscio>indeed...same goes for freevo. :)
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15:12<PhazE3>p2p would surely get you a lawsuit
15:12<Chutt>not to mention being extremely silly
15:13<liscio>yeah. that guy's email was one of many "visionary" emails you see popping up on projects' mailing lists... :)
15:13<liscio>"What I'd like to see, is everyone in the world using MythTV in their cars with wireless GPRS access to their home machines and streaming video live for their kids in the back seat..."
15:14<liscio>"...who will have access to individual tuner cards and can watch seperate channels..."
15:14<PhazE3>We dont want MythTV going the way of Napster... MythTV A Porn Recording and Sharing System
15:14<liscio>*shrug* if you want it, code it.
15:14<Chutt>bah, napster's coming back
15:15<Chutt>roxio owns all their stuff, now
15:15<PhazE3>did not know that... Last I heard it was going porn
15:15<liscio>Well the idea will not really die, so there's not much people can do to stop people from sharing...
15:15<liscio>Yeah. I heard it was going porn too. My IT law prof brought it up, actually. :)
15:16<PhazE3>Yep... People will always want something for free
15:16<Chutt>that was just the only bid for them that was made public before the sale
15:16<Chutt>(to roxio0
15:16<Chutt>it was a crappy bid, too
15:16<liscio>Interesting that roxio bought it...I wonder how it will resurface.
15:16<PhazE3>I would assume as a pay service
15:16<Chutt>they've got a good chunk of the important employees, too
15:17<liscio>Record companies have to learn to provide the end-user with some *gasp!* value...
15:17<PhazE3>I know everthing is overpriced but I still like to support the artists I listen to.
15:17* lisciowill stick to buying and ripping his own...
15:17<liscio>I don't trust stupid pimple-faced punks to rip the songs I like...
15:18<PhazE3>Yep... I get to controll quality when I rip it
15:18<liscio>"Line out looped back around my monitor to line in, and hit record..."
15:18<Chutt>vorbis -q7 minimum, mmm
15:18<liscio>Is it just me, or is mythmusic really, *really* slow at ripping CDs?
15:19<Chutt>shouldn't be any slower than anything else
15:19<Chutt>it's just using cdparanoia
15:19<PhazE3>Have not used mythmusic yet
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15:19<Chutt>it does wait for stuff to encode, etc
15:19* liscioonly knows how fast his MusicMatch can go in Windows...and it sure as hell isn't *that* slow...
15:20<Chutt>cdparanoia's fairly slow, though
15:20<PhazE3>its probably not ripping and encoding on the fly like MusicMatch does
15:20<liscio>Damn. It's really a pain to wait about 20-30 mins to rip a CD. :P
15:20<liscio>PhazE3: but the rip step takes way longer than the combined step in MM...
15:21<PhazE3>cdparanoia has always been slow
15:21<PhazE3>one time I found some other rip program for *nix but I can not remember what it was called. It was really fast though. It was a branch off of cdparanoia
15:22<Chutt>well, i am just using the cdparanoia libraries, not calling it directly
15:22<liscio>Chutt: by the way, I found that the bug I had told you about earlier (live tv -> check conflicts) still locks up...
15:22<liscio>Chutt: with yesterday morning's CVS...
15:22<Chutt>heh, works fine for me
15:22<Chutt>i'll need a backtrace
15:23<liscio>Chutt: will do. I'll grab the latest cvs and see if I can repro it...
15:23* lisciohas other problems occuring he needs to figure out. :P
15:39<liscio>Damnit. I think the floppy I installed in my mythbox is toast. I thought those things never died... :P
15:40<PhazE3>people still use floppys? :)
15:40<liscio>stupid bios updating. :P
15:40<liscio>Unless someone knows of a linux app that does it for me...
15:40<PhazE3>nope, sorry
15:41<liscio>It's really neat that on my Gigabyte mobo it has the bios utility right in the bios of the board...
15:41<liscio>trouble is, it needs a floppy to load the image. :P
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15:55<mdz_>floppy disks and drives are notoriously unreliable
15:55<mdz_>especially when they are infrequently used
15:56<liscio>Yeah, and they sometimes get sold for about 10 bucks... :)
15:56<liscio> I want the super-sized mcdonalds combo, or the floppy drive today...
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16:10<mdz_>heh, Lego Andy is now posting exactly the same questions to the gatos list, ignoring my answers
16:10<Chutt>he didn't want those answers
16:11<Chutt>so, whatcha going to work on next?
16:11<mdz_>editing scheduled recordings
16:12<mdz_>so that I can assign profiles from the UI
16:12<mdz_>should be easy enough to make it change the start/end time too
16:12<mdz_>if that's safe
16:12<Chutt>i think i'm going to make the settings UIs better.. import qwizard completely, make a section for the 'tooltip', etc
16:13<Chutt>all that crap
16:13<Chutt>it should be safe
16:13<mdz_>yeah, that needs doing
16:13<mdz_>also size hints for everything
16:13<mdz_>the theme selector in particular is hurting for it
16:14<Chutt>i don't really like how that works
16:14<Chutt>since if there's lots of themes...
16:14<mdz_>yeah, it should go on a separate screen
16:14<Chutt>it won't scale up well
16:14<Chutt>well, i really think it should be a combo box and a single preview pixmap =)
16:14<mdz_>you say that after I made the image selector :-P
16:15<Chutt>hey, i think i said that before that
16:15<Chutt>i'll look into changing it
16:15<mdz_>it should be easy enough
16:15<mdz_>all the selector settings emit a valueChanged(int)
16:16<mdz_>I was going to have it reload the theme live like your themesetup
16:17<mdz_>but it was late
16:20<Chutt>bah, more real work to do
16:20<mdz_>things are really slow here
16:25<liscio>Hmm. With all the changes that have been going on lately, I seem to have lost my xmltv. I'm assuming this has to do with the new xmltv source scheme?
16:26<liscio>(or grabber defined on a per-source-basis, rather)
16:26<liscio>And by "lost my xmltv" I mean "getting mean emails from cron saying xmltv has no channel sources defined"
16:26<Chutt>have to update your database schema
16:26<Chutt>and run setup
16:27<liscio>Chutt: with 0-7-0-8 ?
16:27<mdz_>hmm, something should be done about that setup-comes-up-really-tiny issue
16:27<mdz_>assuming it happens to other people
16:27<mdz_>I thought it defaulted to full-screen
16:28<Chutt>it's kinda funny
16:28<Chutt>it should be
16:28* lisciomoves to his tv_pc to be a bit more productive...
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16:29<Chutt>the settings stuff isn't using the mythdialog class, right?
16:29<liscio>okay, so do I have to blow away my old db to get the newest cvs stuff working properly?
16:31<mdz_>it is
16:31<mdz_>you did that :-)
16:31<mdz_>well, the settings stuff itself isn't, but all of the dialogs that wrap it up do
16:32<mdz_>I guess as long as each dialog is only used either in setup or in the frontend, but not both, they could be divided up
16:32<mdz_>and the setup stuff would use a dialog that doesn't use mythdialog
16:35* lisciomakes distclean, makes...
16:36<liscio>...and now I shall sample yet another gingerbread man...
16:37<liscio>Okay, so what is the current process that a new user has to endure to get mythtv up and running (assuming CVS is released...)
16:37<mdz_>same as always, except run mythbackend before running mythfrontend
16:37<mdz_>and setup needs an X display
16:37<liscio>mdz: so mc.sql is fully up-to-date then, correct?
16:38<liscio>ooh...graphical setup...yummy.
16:38<Chutt>i don't think mc.sql is fully updated yet
16:38<mdz_>liscio: it may or may not be at the moment; it will be when the release is made
16:38<liscio>Is graphical setup exactly the same as the mythfrontend gui?
16:39<mdz_>the look and feel is the same (at least for now)
16:39<mdz_>it changes different settings
16:39<mdz_>eventually it should handle all of the backend settings
16:39<liscio>does it do mythfilldatabase for you now?
16:39<mdz_>it does the xmltv configuration though
16:39<liscio>okay. is that something you guys are working on?
16:40<mdz_>I don't know how Chutt feels about it, but I think mythfilldatabase should be a separate step
16:40<mdz_>there are too many things that can go wrong, xmltv, zap2it, etc.
16:40<mdz_>and it takes forever to run
16:40<liscio>wouldn't it be nice if mythfilldatabase could be sent to run in the background while the user is in the app?
16:40<mdz_>that would make it even less likely that the user would catch errors
16:41<mdz_>maybe it would be nice if mythfilldatabase could take an option to just fetch the channel lists and no program info
16:41<liscio>yeah. to run it initially, maybe...
16:41<mdz_>then it could try that, and then the user could watch live right away
16:41<mdz_>I dunno though
16:42<mdz_>if you want an average TV user to be able to run this thing out of the box, you have your work cut out for you
16:42<mdz_>and I look forward to your patches ;-)
16:44<liscio>gack. do you guys search for channel providers after entering 5 chars into the zip code field? if so. shame on you canada-insensitive people! :)
16:45<mdz_>it searches on every character when there are at least 5
16:45<mdz_>because I was too lazy to have it figure out if the input was a valid postcode
16:45<liscio>Yeah. noticed that...
16:45<mdz_>especially with your crazy alphanumeric codes
16:45<mdz_>but it should work fine with a short delay
16:46<mdz_>if you want to write a function to test that, I could drop it right it
16:46<liscio> there a problem with zap2it today?
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16:52<mdz_>works fine here
16:56<liscio>hmm...even with 0.5.5 I'm getting trouble...
16:56<mdz_>ii libxmltv-perl 0.5.3-1 Programs to handle the XMLTV file format for
16:57<liscio>damn. and I just blew away a week of perfectly good program info...
16:59<mdz_>I've thought about making mythfilldatabase cache the output from xmltv
16:59<mdz_>but there are bigger fish to fry
17:01<liscio>hmm...when I go to their page I am seeing a vbscript error below the area where I *should* see my listings. damnit.
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17:14<m0tion>hey, when I try to import a CD with mythmusic, I get a seg fault. Whats the best way to determine the cause of this?
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17:24<TheAsp>hey vinux :P
17:24* Vee2d2bludgeons TheAsp with a mongoose
17:24<TheAsp>you ARE on alot of freakin channels
17:25<Vee2d2>a few
17:25<TheAsp>do #pg and #mysql get mad at you for double crossing each other?
17:26<Vee2d2>nahh.. =) dont unveil my secret though! heh
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17:31<PhazE3>Does anyone know if SuSe uses alsa by default... Im resetting up my myth box and thought about SuSe
17:32<mdz_>suse-multimedia would be a more effective place to ask than #mythtv
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17:32<TheAsp>Is suse a charactor in toy story??? :)
17:33<PhazE3>okay... Ill check there
17:33<TheAsp>did you know myth segs when you make install and it's running? :)
17:33<TheAsp>i keep learning that lesson
17:34<mdz_>I'm honestly not sure why, though
17:34<mdz_>it should work
17:34<TheAsp>does it happen when you upgrade the debs aswell?
17:35<PhazE3>famous system admin words "It should work"
17:36<mdz_>it does
17:36<TheAsp>*shrug* atleast i know im running the right backend :)
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17:44<mdz_>I assumed it was NFS being funny about open-but-deleted files
17:44<mdz_>I don't suppose you're running with an NFS root...
17:45<Chutt>happens to me as well
17:45<Chutt>don't know why =)
17:45<TheAsp>is the epg in libmyth?
17:45<TheAsp>mdz: nope... you?
17:46<TheAsp>Chutt/mdz: don't fix it :)
17:46<Chutt>yeah, the program guide lives in libmyth
17:46<mdz_>TheAsp: yep
17:47<mdz_>must be qt :-P
17:47<TheAsp>what function is making those boxes? :)
17:47<Chutt>which boxes?
17:47<TheAsp>the ones in the epg, that you said the generation of was slowing down scrolling
17:47<Chutt>everything's in guidegrid.cpp
17:47<mdz_>I believe that's the guidegrid class
17:47<Chutt>oh, just edit your theme's qtlook.txt
17:47<Chutt>or qt.txt or whatever i call it
17:48<Chutt>and remove the category colors
17:48<TheAsp>oh, i was going to fix it
17:48<Chutt>err, how?
17:48<TheAsp>have to read it first :)
17:49<Chutt>i doubt there's much you can do with it
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18:01<TheAsp>you say it's the blending thats doing it?
18:01<TheAsp>why not just have a buffer for each color covering the whole screen?
18:01<TheAsp>i spose it would be expensive for memory...
18:01<Chutt>very much so
18:02<TheAsp>isnt there any Qt magic to do that?
18:02<mdz_>apparently, some sample code for radeon tv-out has surfaced under NDA
18:02<mdz_>maybe I will actually be able to have myth fill my entire tv soon
18:06<TheAsp>Chutt: couldnt you make an image with an alpha layer and overlay it?
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18:42<mdz>KickDatabase: Lost connection to MySQL server during query
18:42<mdz>Changing from None to RecordingOnly
18:42<mdz>Changing from RecordingOnly to None
18:42<mdz>KickDatabase: Lost connection to MySQL server during query
18:42<mdz>working as klud^Wdesigned
18:45<mdz>hmm, there is apparently a version of the gatos km driver which supports mmap
18:47<Chutt>then people will complain that they don't have any video
18:47<Chutt>instead of complaining when it fails the ioctls =)
18:48<Chutt>theasp, i think that'd be slower
19:16<TheAsp>it's not all that fast without the alpha stuff
19:16<TheAsp>and QImage::fill looks broken :P
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20:26<bpeck>anyone here use nvtv?
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21:49<giuppi>is there isaac around ?
21:51<bigguy>Isaac is Chutt but I don't think he is around
21:52<giuppi>thanks bigguy
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23:10<mdz>"Agree. Especially for something non-realtime such as mythtv."
23:17<mdz>I've got to stop replying to that guy, he only gets worse
23:18<mdz>"Lego Andy"
23:19<TheAsp>is mythmusic usable now with large collections?
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23:27<TheAsp>"lets find out"
23:33<Chutt>mdz, from the gatos list?
23:33<Chutt>so that guy says he doesn't want to support mmap because it makes multiple capture applications hard
23:33<Chutt>well, that's stupid
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23:56<mdz>he's very big on using read() for capture
23:56<mdz>which makes no sense, must be slow as all get-go