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00:02<TheAsp>uh, so whats with those semicolons in the sql statements?
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00:03<TheAsp>it's kinda silly, since they will just be thrown away
00:03<yebyen>TheAsp: it's a really short path
00:03<yebyen>TheAsp: Satqfqi -> -> my mail server
00:04<TheAsp>it's probably a virus
00:04<TheAsp>so ignore it :)
00:04<yebyen>i know it's a virus :)
00:04<TheAsp>the semicolons were a short patch?
00:04<TheAsp>i wanna know why bother :)
00:04<yebyen>*portscans the ip it came from*
00:05<yebyen>if the guy who sent it is running any kind of intrusion detection, I want to piss him off? :)
00:05<yebyen>i'm a dick
00:05<yebyen>HEH, looks like Windows ME
00:14<mdz>john steele is my hero
00:14<mdz>his patches come with gui config
00:35<Chutt>and help text, it seems =)
00:38<yebyen>whoa, that's a cool feature :)
00:38<yebyen>the Prompt on end of recording thing
00:45<Chutt>mdz, you planning on committing his patch?
00:52<yebyen>Chutt: when I tried cvs, I noticed that it didn't like 640x480 as a screen size...
00:52<yebyen>it made me pick 648 or 632 iirc
00:53<TheAsp>yeah, i had to use mysql to get the exact bitrate i wanted once too
00:55<mdz>Chutt: no, wasn't planning on it
00:55<Chutt>i will
00:55<mdz>I didn't see why it needed that endofrecording variable
00:55<mdz>but I hadn't looked at it in context yet
00:55<Chutt>it doesn't know if you exited it or if it finished on its own otherwise
00:55<TheAsp>what does it do?
00:56<mdz>I would have named it something else then :-)
00:56<mdz>TheAsp: Subject: [mythtv] PATCH - Prompt on end of recording
00:56<TheAsp>like the prompt on quit menu?
00:57<mdz>yes, but when it finishes playing on its own
00:57<Chutt>it uses a normal menu for it, not one in the video like the other menu, though
00:57<yebyen>what .sql files should I be using for a fresh cvs instlal?
00:57<TheAsp>i had seen that earlier, but he didnt say what it did :P
00:57<Chutt>just mc.sql
00:57<yebyen>that'd explain why cvs.sql didn't work last time I tried
01:03<Chutt>well, as long as it's completely fresh
01:03<Chutt>and you dropped the db and everything
01:03<yebyen>that's what I did last time, yeah
01:04<yebyen>i'm compiling a fresh cvs right now
01:04<yebyen>probably be ready tomorrow, heh
01:05<Chutt>i'm checking in that guy's prompt on exit stuff soon
01:05<yebyen>like, within a half hour?
01:05<Chutt>sooner than that
01:05<yebyen>then i'll hold off on building
01:05<Chutt>i'm just going to test it real quick
01:05* yebyendistcleans
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01:18<Chutt>i missed a field in the programinfo wire format
01:36<Chutt>and the epg wasn't using the db settings
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01:46<Chutt>yebyen, fixed it not letting you select 640x480
01:46<yebyen>Chutt: woot
01:46<pheller>nice. new machine is up and running and it's nice to see some good performace from myth :-)
01:47<yebyen>i'm looking forward to being able to take my laptop upstairs and watch shit on it
01:47<yebyen>or using the tv out on the laptop
01:48<yebyen>and the irda port as a remote receiver, if that works
01:48<Chutt>if you got cvs running, you could do that now
01:48<Chutt>with some small things missing
01:48<yebyen>if i got cvs running
01:48<yebyen>i'm going to try again tomorrow, but other than that I may just wait for 0.8 debs
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02:03<mdz>Chutt: what's this about 640x480 and the gui size settings?
02:04<Chutt>i dunno
02:04<Chutt>i couldn't scroll to it
02:04<Chutt>switching to 8 fixed it
02:04<Chutt>even though 16 should've
02:04<mdz>yeah, it's divisible by 16
02:04<mdz>it skipped from what to what?
02:05<Chutt>648 to 632
02:08<mdz>how did it get to 648? weird
02:08<Chutt>i dunno
02:08<Chutt>happened to yebyen, too
02:13<yebyen>welp, sleep seems like the most important thing at this moment
02:14<yebyen>Chutt: done committing for the night?
02:15<Chutt>i dunno
02:15<yebyen>well, i'll set an at job for four hours from now
02:16<yebyen>and have it start the compile immediately after that
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02:19<yebyen>Chutt: you'll hopefully be asleep by then
02:32<Chutt>there, now i'm done with commits
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02:36<mdz>Chutt: what's this about reversed quality params+
02:37<Chutt>i messed stuff up slightly when i did the libavcodec merge
02:37<Chutt>qmin <-> qmax
02:37<mdz>ah, I see it
02:37<Chutt>shouldn'tve noticed it, really
02:38<mdz>really? I would expect that the bitrate would go up
02:38<mdz>the default qmax is 2 or something, right?
02:38<Chutt>maybe i didn't
02:38<Chutt>oh, doh
02:38<Chutt>i forgot, the names are backwards
02:39<mdz>so you were right the first time?
02:39<mdz>because I did a couple of recordings post-libavcodec-update, and didn't notice the files being huge
02:40<mdz>it's been pretty stable so far
02:40<mdz>haven't done much playback, though, just recording
02:40<mdz>I tested a bit of live tv and a bit of regular playback, and it was ok
02:41<mdz>I'm thinking of changing setup so that it doesn't let you leave until you've gone through each of the dialogs
02:41<Chutt>it should be all good
02:41<Chutt>the only thing about using the menu for the setup
02:41<Chutt>is that it doesn't enforce order
02:42<Chutt>all the dialogs should look decent, now, btw =)
02:42<Chutt>no more cutting off stuff
02:42<mdz>I think for the frontend, I can just write all the defaults and things should work
02:42<mdz>as long as the backend is set up correctly
02:42<Chutt>it should
02:42<mdz>so only setup should need to force the user through anything
02:44<Chutt>well, as long as /dev/dsp is right for output
02:44<Chutt>but that should be true the vast majority of the time
02:45<mdz>in my tree here, I've numbered the menu options in setup
02:45<mdz>1, 2, 3, 4
02:45<mdz>I think that's enough order
02:45<Chutt>that's cool
02:45<Chutt>peopl will go out of order, of course
02:45<mdz>I want a better label for the first dialog than "general"
02:45<Chutt>it was missing one, so i added that
02:45<mdz>it only really matters that the last step be done after the second two
02:46<mdz>oh, I meant the first setup dialog
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02:46<Chutt>i was talking about inside the settings dialog
02:46<Chutt>it didn't have a label
02:46<mdz>the fact that there is more than one 'general' is even more confusing :-)
02:46<Chutt>if i have time tomorrow i'll get the live-tv buffer name stuff happening
02:46<mdz>I want the name to indicate that those settings are required
02:47<mdz>the different buffers for different cards?
02:47<Chutt>i'm just going to base the name off of the capture card number
02:47<Chutt>that should be unique enough
02:47<Chutt>and have it auto-delete on exit
02:47<mdz>yep, sounds good
02:48<Chutt>i figure i'll get rid of the PIP settings, then
02:48<Chutt>no reason to have em separate
02:48<Chutt>aside from space issues
02:48<Chutt>but if you're running out of space, you've got more problems =)
02:48<mdz>I think one of the help texts that I added is probably too long
02:48<Chutt>which one/
02:48<mdz>but I haven't looked at it in the ui yet
02:48<mdz>playbackexitprompt maybe?
02:49<mdz>I saw that guy's latest patch added text for it, but I had already done it
02:49<Chutt>plenty of room
02:49<Chutt>there's enough room for 3 lines of text, you're using 2
02:51<Chutt>ah well
02:51<Chutt>i should probably go to bed
02:51<mdz>I was about to say the same
02:51<mdz>good night
02:51<Chutt>night =)
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11:41<TheAsp>chutt: i can't fastforward past "now" in livetv, tried for a while
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11:44<Universe>"now" as in whats on TV now? thats kind of impossible
11:45<TheAsp>that is the point :)
11:45<TheAsp>trying to make it crash, chutt said you could ff past the end
11:46<Universe>I thought you were complaining that you couldn't.
11:47<TheAsp>no, im about to complain that the fontsize is now wayyyy to big and i can't seem to change it in the gui
12:13<TheAsp>i did get ahead
12:33<agere>I've been lurking for a while, and have grown more interested in making a Myth box.
12:33<agere>Is there a site where people have posted hardware that has worked for them?
12:50<mdz>hmm, singlerecord seems to be broken
12:50<mdz>starttime came out as the current time, rather than the start time of the program
12:53<mdz>here's one I just made
12:53<mdz>| chanid | starttime | endtime |
12:53<mdz>| 2324 | 20021229192000 | 20021229220000 |
12:53<mdz>2324 | 20021229125016 | 20021229220000
12:53<mdz>the actual start time is 20021229192000, which I fixed in the db
12:53<Chutt>fix it fix it
12:53<Chutt>or something
12:54<mdz>any changes in that area recently?
12:54<TheAsp>fontsizes arn't being read from the db...
12:54<TheAsp>but it looks like you took away theme.txt
12:54<Chutt>theasp, they're only read on startup
12:54<Chutt>i believe
12:54<TheAsp>*nod*, but if theme.txt is gone, they arn't getting good defaults
12:55<mdz>they have no defaults until you go into the settings dialog and press enter
12:55<Chutt>actually, yeah
12:56<TheAsp>still didnt work, mdz... nothing was set in the db
12:56<Chutt>hrm, bbl
12:56<TheAsp>tried entering them manually, didnt work
12:56<TheAsp>put theme.txt back, and it worked
12:57<mdz>TheAsp: select settings, then theme, then press enter
13:01<TheAsp>uh, is this something you fixed in like the last 2 hours, because it didnt do anythign different, besides there are no controls to change the fontsizes in the gui...
13:01<TheAsp>the default is set to 25 for all fonts, which is ugly :)
13:02<mdz>nope, I just tried it right now, 2 minutes ago
13:02<TheAsp>im just saying that theme.txt is still needed
13:02<mdz>the defaults are 25, 16 and 12
13:03<mdz>I have not had a theme.txt since yesterday
13:03<TheAsp> qtfontsmall = GetNumSetting("QtFontSmall");
13:03<TheAsp> if (qtfontsmall <= 0)
13:03<TheAsp> qtfontsmall = 25;
13:04<mdz>where did you try to change them in the GUI?
13:04<mdz>as far as I can see, I forgot to put them in there
13:04<TheAsp>i didnt, i was try9ing to change them in the db
13:04<TheAsp>where they arn't being written or read from...
13:05<mdz>fix it fix it
13:05<mdz>as Chutt says
13:06<mdz>I'm fixing the font settings not being in the UI
13:07<TheAsp>ok, ill fix the defaults :P
13:09<mdz>ok, try what I just checked in
13:09<mdz>that should write the settings to the db
13:10<TheAsp>hmm, that didnt help (my change)
13:10<mdz>oh, I see what's happening
13:11<TheAsp>wrong gcc ver
13:12<TheAsp>should i wait or recompile?
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13:15<Soopizzle>Chutt, you around?
13:17<mdz>I'm going to take a stab at fixing the fonts not taking effect
13:21<Soopizzle>what up mdz
13:23<mdz>Soopizzle: hi
13:24<Soopizzle>have you been in this since the beginning with chutt?
13:25<Soopizzle>'cause i always see you tackling new problems/issues
13:25<mdz>TheAsp: update now, should work
13:25<mdz>Soopizzle: no, I only started with mythtv a couple of months ago I guess
13:26<Soopizzle>oh real
13:26<Soopizzle>you seem to know it like the back of your hand
13:26<TheAsp>did you commit yet?
13:26<mdz>heh, no
13:27* TheAspmumbles about conflicts
13:28<mdz>Soopizzle: I know the parts I've worked on; there are some parts I haven't even seen
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13:28<Soopizzle>like what?
13:31* TheAspmumbles about backend segfaults...
13:31<TheAsp>much better!
13:33<TheAsp>the recording config screen isn't themed...
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13:36<TheAsp>segfault going into live tv
13:37<mdz>live tv works fine for me
13:37<mdz>you must (really) go into every screen under the settings and press enter to write the settings out to the db
13:37<mdz>nothing forces you to do that yet
13:37<yebyen>oh, heh
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13:43<mdz>Chutt: I'm setting things up so that the default frontend settings get written to the db, but I'm not sure when it should happen
13:43<mdz>Chutt: doing it every time the frontend starts seems excessive
13:43<mdz>Chutt: but, it needs to be sure it picks up any new changes if it's upgraded, etc.
13:45<TheAsp>you could have a table just for db stuff
13:45<Universe>mdz... you could do it with a command line arguement.
13:45<TheAsp>and write a version in there
13:45<TheAsp>and if the version is different, fix the db
13:47<TheAsp>ahh, distclean fixed it up
14:00<yebyen>hm, do I need to run MC/setup/setup as the user I intend to run mythtv as?
14:01<Universe>nope... setup sets up the SQL database
14:02<yebyen>QPainter::begin: Cannot paint null pixmap
14:02<yebyen>QPainter::end: Missing begin() or begin() failed
14:02<yebyen>Floating point exception
14:02<yebyen>i think this is network X being a pain in the ass
14:02<mdz>it's setup not quite working when mythtv is not set up yet, I believe
14:03<mdz>there is a circular dependency somewhere I believe
14:03<mdz>some of the myth stuff that setup uses needs settings that are not there yet when setup runs
14:03<mdz>please track it down and tell me
14:04<yebyen>well, it ran *once*
14:04<yebyen>then I said "Oops, I'd better run it as the user i'm going to be mythtv'ing as"
14:04<yebyen>went over to that user, tried it, and it failed with that error
14:04<yebyen>when Universe said the user didn't matter, I said "Fuck this" and went back to the first user that it worked under
14:05<yebyen>and it still errored out
14:05<mdz>I think it must be failing to find the theme or such
14:05<yebyen>so you'd prefer that I trace the error, rather than drop the database and see if that fixes it?
14:05<mdz>or some such
14:05<mdz>yes, please
14:05<yebyen>i'll have to recompile with debug... hang
14:05<yebyen>do I need to make clean/distclean?
14:07<yebyen>alright, it's compiling
14:07<yebyen>700mhz athlon, so this may be a while ^_~
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14:14<yebyen>so is there any reason why files have a default .nuv extension?
14:14<mdz>yebyen: are you running the latest CVS?
14:14<yebyen>mdz: checked out 20 minutes ago
14:14<mdz>as in, updated today or last night?
14:14<mdz>I used to get that error when I ran setup without any mythtv on the system
14:14<mdz>but it works for me now
14:15<mdz>as long as mysql.txt, setup.xml and themes/blue are present
14:15<mdz>that should be all it needs
14:15<yebyen>wouldn't have anything to do with my using stow, would it?
14:16<yebyen>ok, still getting the error with the debug compiled version, at least it didn't go away, heh
14:17<yebyen>oops, I need gdb :)
14:17<yebyen>0x400bc1aa in ThemedMenu::layoutButtons (this=0x8101870) at themedmenu.cpp:761
14:17<yebyen>761 int columns = buttonArea.width() / buttonnormal->width();
14:18<yebyen>what do you need me to do, or is that enough?
14:20<mdz>I think I know why it stopped happening here; it's because the settings it needed moved into the database
14:20<mdz>yeah, there it is
14:21<yebyen>so, is that a quick-fix? :)
14:21<yebyen>and is there any explanation why it might work once?
14:22<mdz>it would have worked once if you had a db with the settings in it
14:23<mdz>heh, it might actually turn out to be a quick fix
14:25<mdz>ok, checked in a fix
14:25<mdz>setup will be ugly, but it should work
14:26<mdz>you'll see
14:26<yebyen>as in themeless? :)
14:27<mdz>as in big blocky 25-point bitmap fonts
14:27<yebyen>hey, does it ever matter what I put for --prefix in the configure?
14:27<yebyen>or does libavcodec just inherit it from anyway
14:29<mdz>libavcodec will use the value you supply with --prefix
14:29<mdz>but that doesn't matter because libavcodec isn't installed
14:31<mdz>I checked in some better default font choices to make setup a little less ugly, but not much
14:31<yebyen>so, should I not be recompiling already?
14:31<yebyen>how about I just update the setup directory ^_~
14:33<mdz>the change was in mythcontext.h :-P
14:33<mdz>so you'll need to recompile everything anyway
14:34<TheAsp>i had to hack configure to write the proper prefix
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14:37<yebyen>alrighty then
14:50<yebyen>*watches Revenge of the Nerds*
14:53<yebyen>welp, error seems to be gone
14:56<TheAsp>can't delete an in progress recording from the exit playing menu
14:56<Soopizzle>mdz, does myth have it;s own "codec" for reading/writing the media files?
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15:00<yebyen>mdz: err, you set it to use no theme or what?
15:00<yebyen>mdz: because now when I actually try to load mythtv, I get Couldn't find theme /usr/local/stow/MC-2002122901/share/mythtv/themes/
15:00<mdz>Soopizzle: it uses libavcodec
15:01<yebyen>which clearly isn't a theme, but the directory that has all themes :)
15:01<mdz>yebyen: it should try to load blue by default
15:01<TheAsp>uh, does stow work?
15:01<mdz>yebyen: select data from settings where value = 'Theme';
15:02<mdz>it works a bit
15:02<yebyen>mdz: err, I wasn't paying close enough attention
15:02<yebyen>mdz: the real error was "can't connect to backend"
15:02<yebyen>i'm loading them both at the same time
15:02<mdz>yebyen: edit backend_settings.txt
15:03<yebyen>mdz: no, it connects just fine, i'm just not giving the backend a chance to load before it tries to connect
15:05<mdz>but why did you get that theme error?
15:05<mdz>did that go away?
15:06<yebyen>mdz: yeah, it's gone now... my guess is it couldn't access the theme, and set Blue for the default at that moment
15:06<yebyen>like you said
15:06<yebyen>because it's nice and themed now
15:06<mdz>it should set the default before it tries to load any of that
15:06<mdz>oh, no it doesn't
15:06<mdz>I'll fix that
15:07<yebyen>i'll refrain from recompiling
15:07<yebyen>since it works fine
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15:11* yebyencrosses his fingers and tries livetv
15:11<yebyen>HEH connection timed out
15:12<yebyen>mythfilldatabase never finished
15:15<yebyen>has anyone else been experiencing horribles in mythfilldatabase?
15:15<mdz>can you be a bit more specific?
15:15<yebyen>like, it has trouble talking to the server
15:16<yebyen>zap2it failed to give us a page: 500:Internal Server Error
15:16<yebyen>check postal/zip code or www site (maybe they're down)
15:16<yebyen>failed to read schedule for 2002-12-30 for station 47 TRAV
15:16<yebyen>and it tries again, takes forever, gives me the same error
15:16<yebyen>it's never particularly consistent on where it does that
15:17<yebyen>i'd imagine if that is a bug, rather than a server error, it's a problem in tv_grab_na, and nothing to do with mythfilldatabase...
15:17<yebyen>just wondering if anyone else was getting it
15:18<mdz>I run it from cron.daily
15:18<mdz>and it got no errors last night
15:18<mdz>or the night before
15:19<mdz>it will get errors sometimes during the day if I run it manually
15:19<mdz>presumably when their site is busier
15:19<yebyen>well, it's on channel 62 right now
15:19<yebyen>so *maybe* it'll finish this time around
15:19<yebyen>*knocks on wood*
15:20<yebyen>woot, it finished one day
15:21<yebyen>that's enough at least that I should have channels in my db now
15:23<yebyen>should I need to do anything special to make live tv work?
15:24<yebyen>*checks mailing list*
15:29<yebyen>anything in backend-settings.txt perhaps? when I try livetv, I get connection timed out
15:35<mdz>yes, I already said you needed to edit that
15:35<yebyen>ServerMode should be master?
15:35<mdz>leave that alone
15:35<mdz>leave it commented out
15:36<mdz>change only ServerIP
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15:36<Universe>ServerMode does nothing right now?
15:37<yebyen>damn, live tv works :D
15:39<Soopizzle>future tv works for me over here
15:39<yebyen>future tv?
15:39<Soopizzle>i seem to be watching what tv will show 2 hours in the future
15:39* yebyencompiles mythtv on teh laptop!
15:39<Soopizzle>this is ultra cool
15:40<yebyen>Soopizzle: ...
15:40<Soopizzle>long live mythtv!!
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15:41<yebyen>Soopizzle: hahaha
15:41<meth>anyone use svideo out
15:43<yebyen>anyone else have experienced where mpeg4 eventually skips if you're right on the edge of the recording (ie livetv)?
15:44<yebyen>works fine if I pause for 3 seconds and just watch 3 seconds delayed, but
15:44<yebyen>i've had that even with 0.7
15:45<mdz>yebyen: Chutt mentioned that there was some problem or potential problem with fast forwarding past the end
15:46<mdz>what do you mean by "skips"?
15:46<yebyen>it doesn't crash or anything, just playback is jerky
15:46<mdz>does the screen get corrupted?
15:47<meth>any of you guys use svideo out to goto your tv?
15:47<meth>thats all i find
15:47<yebyen>i use svideo out, but with a composite out converter
15:48<yebyen>to an rf modulator
15:48<yebyen>to cable tv
15:48<meth>i have a modulator w/ sivdeo in
15:48<yebyen>just plain old nvidia drivers
15:48<meth>and svid out on the card
15:48<meth>but how do you tell it to use svideo
15:48<meth>this one says modify x config
15:48<meth>but that doesnt work
15:49<yebyen> Option "ConnectedMonitor" "TV"
15:49<yebyen>that's all I had to put into the X config
15:49<yebyen>and a section "Monitor" for the tv
15:49<meth>thats what this has
15:49<meth>mind copy/paste yours?
15:49<yebyen>Section "Monitor"
15:49<yebyen> Identifier "NTSC TV"
15:49<yebyen> HorizSync 30-50
15:49<yebyen> VertRefresh 60
15:50<yebyen>oh, and under Section "Screen"
15:50<yebyen> Monitor "NTSC TV"
15:50<meth>ah ko
15:50<meth>they have this diff.
15:50<meth>you have nvidia based card?
15:50<yebyen>gf2gts 64
15:51<meth>lemme type that in and try it
15:51<meth>Option "ConnectedMonitor" "TV"
15:51<meth>under device?
15:51<meth>guess im missing the screen thing
15:51<yebyen>how much setup do I have to do on a box that's only going to run mythfrontend
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15:57<meth>it works!
15:57<meth>looks like shit but it works
15:59<meth>moniter resolution is fucked thats why
15:59<meth>guess i have to do a whole new setup for that too
16:00<yebyen>tv working over wireless ethernet :D
16:01<meth>doesnt like to play recorded shows arg
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16:03<meth_>resolution is better heh
16:07<yebyen>goddamn :)
16:07<yebyen>wireless tv
16:07<meth>damn wont play recorded shows just sits there
16:07<yebyen>amazing how the first tv was wireless
16:07<yebyen>and i'm getting off on wireless tv right now so much
16:12<Soopizzle>yebyen, wjat are ypi dpomg
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16:12<Soopizzle>what are you doing/have done?
16:12<yebyen>heh, i could actually read that
16:12<yebyen>Soopizzle: just running mythfrontend on my laptop
16:13<yebyen>over wireless ethernet
16:13<bigguy>birthday cake is good
16:13<bigguy>but I feel old
16:13<Soopizzle>11mbs wireless?
16:13<yebyen>i'm only recording at like 400mb/hr
16:13<yebyen>with a linksys AP
16:14<Soopizzle>hmm.. i got an all netgear setup
16:14<Soopizzle>and am tempted at trying the same
16:14<yebyen>i just brought the laptop upstairs to dick with it
16:15<yebyen>was funny, "Check it out, wireless tv
16:15<Soopizzle>i can't believe it
16:15<Soopizzle>atlanta lost
16:15<Soopizzle>to a couch -less cleveland team
16:15<bigguy>atlanta lost what?
16:15<bigguy>not a football fan :P
16:16<bigguy>not much of any sports fan
16:16<Soopizzle>new england and miami tied rite now
16:16<Soopizzle>24 up
16:17<yebyen>"You have no recording conflicts"
16:18<bigguy>I went out for football in the 7th grade. 6' 300lbs and I was one of the small ones
16:18<yebyen>in 7th grade?
16:18<yebyen>american 7th grade?
16:18<bigguy>well I'm not exactly sure about height and weight
16:19<bigguy>I hit 6' in the summer before the 6th grade US
16:19<bigguy>only made it to 6'6
16:19<bigguy>have weighed as much as ~400
16:20<bigguy>down to about 330 now
16:20<bigguy>turned 26 today
16:21<bigguy>I remember some of the teams the 7th grade team played had kids with beards playing on them
16:21<yebyen>happy birthday, heh
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16:21<yebyen>bigguy: where the fuck did you live?
16:21<meth_>lol had 2 screens running to my tv
16:21<Soopizzle>miami/new england in ot
16:22<meth_>myth doesnt want to play some of my recorded shows
16:22<yebyen>meth_: yeah, when I tried running two frontends in livetv mode, it didn't much like that.
16:22<meth_>lol two frontends, mmm
16:22<meth_>i dont have coax hooked up to the pc
16:22<meth_>just testing with recorded shows
16:23* meth_moves his other cable to the pc
16:23<mdz>setup de-uglified
16:25<Soopizzle>this mr814 wireless router/switch rules
16:25<Soopizzle>3 computers, 1 xbox, 1 laptop and 2 internet appliances
16:25<Soopizzle>and i can add another 253 devices wirelessly
16:26<Soopizzle>technology rules
16:28<meth_>damn now its not controling sound :(
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16:29<mdz>260 devices? what an odd number
16:32<bigguy>usually its 253 devices
16:32<bigguy>that is if it doles out ips
16:33<bigguy>.0 and .255 being reserved and one of the ones inbetween being the router/switch ip
16:33<bigguy>that is unless its some weird setup
16:34<Soopizzle>bigguy, that or i can't count
16:34<Soopizzle>i think it keeps the wireless from the wired
16:34<Soopizzle>but worst case
16:35<Soopizzle>i will never be able to afford 200 let alone 20 devices to check
16:35<Soopizzle>but that would be a great idea for a lanparty
16:35<bigguy>heh lan parties with multiple wireless devices and only one ap might sux0r
16:36<Soopizzle>how so?
16:36<bigguy>well if all of them are doing bandwidth intensive ops at the same time ;)
16:37<Soopizzle>ok, then how do regular lan parties work?
16:37<bigguy>course I don't really know what kinda bandwidth games like that take. I don't play and don't know any bigtime gamers
16:38<bigguy>Soopizzle: well normal lan parties are usually a 100mbit switched connection from what I here someone grabs a 24/48 port switch mabe a couple of them and calls the dogs in to do there worst ;)
16:41<Universe>even in small network parties... 100mbit switches all the way
16:41<bigguy>Universe: true dat
16:41<Universe>small ones are so crap and almost everyone owns a 5 port one.
16:42<Universe>of course, its always a good thing when someone can grab a big one from work..
16:42<bigguy>heh I bought a 24 port for my uncle for $99
16:43<bigguy>managed switch no less
16:44<Soopizzle>well my wireless one is an 100mbit switch
16:44<bigguy>business's going out of business can be a nice thing
16:52<Chutt>mdz, yo
16:52<Chutt>mdz, i should just moderate mr. lego andy
16:52<yebyen>Chutt: heh, i'm running cvs now...
16:52<mdz>Chutt: I should just stop responding to him
16:53<mdz>I think I've got both setup and frontend settings behaving correctly for new installs
16:53<Chutt>i'll update stuff and check it all out
16:53<Chutt>just got back, saw all your checkins
16:54<mdz>the setup stuff is still a little weird, because all the theme stuff is with the frontend settings
16:54<mdz>I'm not sure how that should work
16:54<mdz>because setup will be run on the backend, which otherwise shouldn't need any of those settings
16:56<Chutt>the tiled backgrounds are still using the m_width/m_height stuff that's calculated before the db hit
16:56<yebyen>Chutt: reading through the mailing list, this lego andy guy is really a pain in the ass :)
16:56<mdz>ah, didn't do an extensive search there
16:57<mdz>yebyen: he's on the gatos list now too
16:57<Chutt>he's going to write a regression test
16:57<Chutt>i don't really see how that's possible
16:57<yebyen>a regression test?
17:00<mdz>I'm sure he's done many great things with cmake and vtk
17:03<Chutt>that's the last i have to say to him, unless he comes up with something really off the wall and i can't help replying =)
17:04<yebyen>Soopizzle: haha
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17:08<Chutt>mdz, would you be opposed to me moving the guts of mythmusic into libmyth, or a similar library?
17:09<mdz>Chutt: the guts as in the audio playing stuff?
17:10<mdz>I don't see why not
17:10<mdz>then there could be background music in the EPG :-)
17:10<Chutt>be nice to be able to say 'play this file'
17:10<Chutt>and then hook up the playing ui if desired
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17:12<mdz>so I'm starting to think about merging the recording tables again
17:12<pheller>that'll also make it easier to play sound effects, ie the "pop pop" for fast forward, etc.
17:13<mdz>I don't see any reasonable way to use a timestamp field
17:13<mdz>there would have to be a 'magic' date to mean no date, or some flag to say to ignore the date
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17:16<Chutt>if you want to fix everything to deal with separate dates
17:16<Chutt>and times, fine by me
17:17<mdz>they get converted into the qt objects anyway, right?
17:17<mdz>it's easy enough to take a SQL date + SQL time and make a QDateTime
17:17<yebyen>Chutt: does cvs do any checking to make sure that you don't have two people trying to do Live TV with only one channel source?
17:17<Chutt>you'll have to parse the timestamp out of the xmltv stuff, though
17:17<Chutt>yebyen, yeah, but i dunno if it works
17:18<yebyen>Chutt: when I tried (accidentally), it didn't particularly like it :)
17:21<Chutt>heh, need to redo the theme selector =)
17:24<Chutt>any reason to have the live-tv stuff in a different directory than the recordings?
17:25<Soopizzle>recordings can be offset onto seperate storage
17:25<Soopizzle>live-tv has yet to be designated to be "kept"
17:31<yebyen>i love comedy central
17:31<Soopizzle>what's on?
17:32<yebyen>bunch of stand-up comedy
17:32<yebyen>Rene Hicks was just on
17:32<Soopizzle>stream it to me :)
17:32<yebyen>with a sketch on the word Nigger
17:32<yebyen>it was hilarious
17:32<yebyen>she had this idea on defusing the evil of the word
17:33<yebyen>create a snack food, call it "Niggers"
17:33<Soopizzle>white people should not use that word
17:33<Soopizzle>let alone the rest
17:33<Soopizzle>but that does sound funny
17:33<yebyen>she was talking about "Cheese Niggers", "Salt and Vinegar Niggers"
17:34<yebyen>"But I will draw the line at Barbecue Niggers"
17:34<Soopizzle>you mythtv it?
17:35<yebyen>yeah, i didn't record it, but it's still in my livetv buffer
17:35<yebyen>I wish I could export it
17:36<yebyen>all of the best humor is racial
17:36<Soopizzle>heheh... i don't know about that
17:36<Soopizzle>i like potty humour
17:36<yebyen>well, a good chunk of it :)
17:37<yebyen>george carlin is still my favorite
17:37<Soopizzle>eddie is mine
17:38<Soopizzle>eddie murphy ofcourse
17:38<yebyen>oh :)
17:39<yebyen>there are lots of funny eddies
17:39<yebyen>eddie izzard rocks, so does eddie murphy
17:40<yebyen>is fast-forwarding/rewinding supposed to be sluggish in cvs?
17:40<yebyen>or rather, am I the only person who has said that it is? :)
17:42<mdz>Chutt: I keep the live-tv stuff in a separate directory for policy reasons
17:42<mdz>and also I keep them on two separate filesystems
17:45<Chutt>why do you put semicolons after member functions in class declarations?
17:45<mdz>did you already fix that other m_width/m_height stuff, or should I?
17:45<Chutt>i haven't yet
17:45<Chutt>doing the live-tv stuff right now
17:47<Chutt>ok, no more PIP settings
17:48<Chutt>if someone's got the PIP on long enough to even get to a gig, i'd be surprised
17:48<Universe>people that watch sports might
17:48<Universe>watching 2 different games at once
17:48<mdz>especially since the number of people using PIP is probably a very small number
17:49<Chutt>where'd that o come from
17:49<Chutt>it'd be several hours
17:49<Chutt>without changing the channel or anything
17:52<Chutt>there, that's in
18:08<yebyen>Chutt: I just read this email about backend_settings.txt and that it's only used by the backend to tell the client what to connect to...
18:09<yebyen>Chutt: so I do have to configure the backend, even if the machine i'm on only really wants the frontend?
18:09<Chutt>you only have to configure the backend if it's running the backend
18:10<yebyen>ok, so then where do I set the location of the backend?
18:10<yebyen>i got around it before by just ssh tunneling the port, heh
18:10<Chutt>edit main.cpp in the frontend
18:11<yebyen>oh :)
18:12<yebyen>HEH fair enough, it is cvs after all
18:12<yebyen>then do I need the database at all?
18:13<Chutt>you need to point mysql.txt to the db that exists on the backend server
18:13<Chutt>and give access on the db to the host you'll be connecting from
18:13<yebyen>now it makes sense :)
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18:20<yebyen>and I need to make sure mysql is actually listening on the network
18:23<yebyen>hmm, connection timed out
18:25<mdz>"The CAST() and CONVERT() functions were added in MySQL 4.0.2."
18:25<mdz>how else am I supposed to compare a DATE and a TIMESTAMP?
18:27<mdz>TO_DAYS, apparently. ick.
18:35<mdz>hmm, that was easier than I thought
18:35<mdz>I made a merged record table, and now the scheduler stuff can be done with a single query
18:38<yebyen>ok, works if I use an IP instead of a host name
18:41<Chutt>mdz, heh, this'll break mythweb =)
18:42<yebyen>Chutt: NOOO :)
18:43<yebyen>network tv
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18:45<nichos>evening all
18:46<nichos>where can i find out what to 'include' in my kernel config to get my winTV card to work?
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18:49<mdz>Chutt: is the recordtype used for anything (besides the EPG display) other than managing which table stuff goes into?
18:50<Chutt>don't think so
18:50<Chutt>grep for it, though
18:51<mdz>yeah, doing so
18:51<mdz>because it looks like it can probably go
18:51<mdz>and be calculated instead
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18:55<mdz>when are applyrecordstatechange and applyrecordtimechange used?
18:56<Chutt>the time change stuff is from the new ui that guy was working on
18:57<Chutt>the state change stuff is either from the manual conflict resolution stuff or the user changing the recording type from the epg
18:57<Chutt>i think
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19:01<mdz>Chutt: is there some reason why QVariant::toDateTime() wouldn't work instead of using ::toString() and QDateTime::fromString()?
19:01<Chutt>not sure
19:02<Chutt>am i always using ISODate?
19:03<Chutt>i hate one liner bugs that take more than 10 minutes to track down
19:03<mdz>sometimes hours more :-)
19:03<Chutt>i wasn't clearing the recorder's seektable buffer on channel change and stuff
19:04<Chutt>so if you seeked after a channel change
19:04<Chutt>it'd use the old offsets
19:04<Chutt>and mess stuff up rather badly =)
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19:06<Chutt>so if you just stayed on one channel
19:06<Chutt>or changed channels immediately after starting live tv
19:06<Chutt>it'd be fine =)
19:07<mdz>fillrecordlists is now down to 87 lines :-)
19:08<Chutt>instead of 350?
19:08<Chutt>how do you manage that, entirely, though?
19:09<Chutt>you'll still need to do secondary queries for the timeslot and anytime recordings
19:10<yebyen>Chutt: mythtv ownz me.
19:10<mdz>no, I just do one big join
19:11<mdz>and pull out all the programs that match a record
19:11<mdz>it only does one query
19:12<yebyen>second time I missed the first 10 minutes of this same episode of Enterprise
19:13<Chutt>ah, ok
19:13<Chutt>yebyen, probably no big loss :p
19:14<yebyen>Chutt: pfft
19:16<mdz>heh, applyrecordtimechange gets very short too, just update the start and end times
19:20<mdz>what's ProgramInfo.spread for?
19:21<mdz>ah, for the grid
19:28<yebyen>so is that QMAKESPEC thing going into the FAQ?
19:28<yebyen>or is it just myself and that other guy on the mailing list that have experiencd that
19:37<Chutt>bah, just set it to linux-g++ and forget it
19:38<m0tion>hey, in order to get mythvideo to compile, where do i put the CVS source for mythtv?
19:38<Chutt>you just need it installed
19:39<m0tion>oh, i have to be running CVS?
19:43<pheller>alright, got cvs build running on the new machine. I'll tell ya, you guys give the commercial stuff a run for the money.
19:45<mdz>heh, the people working on tv_grab_uk do not seem to want to accept that I have agreed to do the GUI part
19:45<m0tion>it's a badass project huh?
19:45<m0tion>this has turned out SO well
19:46<pheller>yeah... one thing... any reason for abandoning the progress indicator in the blueosd?
19:48<pheller>scaling of the preview window in the schedule display is off....
19:52<Soopizzle>mdz, feel like making some screenshots of your latest iterations?
19:55<mdz>Soopizzle: no, but someone else could
19:55<Soopizzle>i heard you are good at it
19:55<Soopizzle>the best actually
19:56* Soopizzlechants GO MDZ GO!!
19:57<mdz>hmm, lots of segfaults
19:58<mdz>damn these QStrings, makes debugging a pain
20:01<mdz>heh, this isn't right
20:01<mdz>122384028 2002-12-29 20:01 2125_20030105220000_20030105224000.nuv
20:05<yebyen>Chutt: ever get an "Unknown encoder" error?
20:07<Chutt>please tell me that that guy on the mailing list didn't just ask how to use chmod
20:08<Chutt>yebyen, nope
20:08<yebyen>Chutt: I've gotten it a few times when I leave mythtv alone at the menu then try to go to live tv...
20:08<Chutt>so debug it
20:11<mdz>Chutt: thanks for the debugging statements in mythbackend/main.cpp :-)
20:12<Chutt>did i check something in?
20:14<mdz>no, the commented out stuff
20:14<mdz>it's been helpful in making sure my stuff is working correctly
20:14<Chutt>ah, right
20:15<mdz>the scheduler seems to have survived
20:17<Chutt>easiest way to check everything is to use the conflict resolution screen
20:18<mdz>I tried to disable stuff in the EPG so it could continue to work, but it crashes pretty bad
20:18<mdz>hmm, seems to be OK now
20:19<mdz>needed a distclean
20:19<mdz>yay dependencies
20:23<Soopizzle>mdz, you using cvs?
20:23<mdz>Soopizzle: yes
20:24<mdz>wow, my conflict resolution settings survived. didn't expect that
20:25<mdz>welcome to mythtv-dev, the place for every goddamn stupid unix question
20:26<Chutt>please help me learn how to use chmod!!!
20:27<pheller>maybe there should be a mythtv-users just to cut down on the s/n ratio on -dev
20:27<Chutt>i'd have to be subscribed to both
20:27<Chutt>so it really wouldn't help :(
20:27<mdz>Chutt: I was referring to please help me learn how to use fstab!!!
20:28<Chutt>that too
20:28<mdz>"I really like the idea of using an underpowered laptop CPU at a slow clock speed for real-time video encoding"
20:35<Chutt>'so I read that. but I don't know how to set..."
20:44<yebyen>fucking TV
20:45<yebyen>5 minutes of commercials
20:45<yebyen>of course, it just means pressing forward 10 times
20:45<yebyen>but that's ridiculous
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20:47* yebyenneeds to set up LVM
20:48<mdz>"I didn't read the installation instructions"
20:48<Chutt>he doesn't have the -devel rpm
20:49<Chutt>i need to stop working on this junk and finish my book collection page
20:49<mdz>don't the insall instructions say to install the qt development stuff?
20:49<mdz>man, g++ gets really confused when you forget the closing brace on a class decl
20:51<pheller>interesting; all the data in the osd just became numbers and stuff, however the scheduling display remains correct
20:51<mdz>Chutt: to what point do I need to get this recording table merge before you would be comfortable with me checking it in?
20:51<Chutt>what point is it at now?
20:51<mdz>right now, scheduled recordings work
20:52<mdz>display of what stuff is scheduled to record in the EPG is broken
20:52<mdz>scheduling new recordings is broken
20:52<mdz>conflict resolution seems to work
20:52<Chutt>i'd prefer it if the epg stuff worked
20:52<Chutt>but i don't really mind if you break things
20:52<Chutt>if you fell more comfortable checking stuff in earlier
20:53<mdz>I'm going to try to work out scheduling new recordings tonight
20:53<mdz>the dialog might be a little dinky, but should be functional
20:53<Chutt>it'd be different than the current one?
20:54<mdz>I don't guess it needs to be
20:54<mdz>I could rework the existing dialog
20:54<mdz>yeah, that's probably best, that UI is good as is
20:54<Chutt>it's simple
20:54<Chutt>and easy to understand =)
20:55<Chutt>what were you going to change it to?
20:55<mdz>well I need to do an "edit a scheduled recording" dialog anyawy
20:55<mdz>I was thinking I'd use it for both
20:55<mdz>and then it would be easy to edit recordings from the EPG
20:55<Chutt>well, we'll see how that turns out
20:56<Chutt>but i'd really prefer to keep the uis (aside from the settings stuff) as simple as possible
20:56<pheller>it might be neat to have the option to cycle through the various record methods without even displaying a dialog...
20:57<mdz>it makes sense to leave it
20:57<Chutt>well, you can currently hit 'r' to toggle single record on/off
20:57<mdz>the recording conflicts screen could be reworked to edit scheduled recordings
20:57<mdz>does that seem ok?
20:57<Chutt>i think for that
20:57<Chutt>a radio button on top
20:57<Chutt>to select between 'edit recordings' and 'fix conflicts'
20:57<Chutt>would be ideal
20:58<mdz>I was thinking that enter on a non-conflicting recording would edit it
20:58<Chutt>'edit recordings' would show just unique things, like one entry in the list for timeslots
20:58<mdz>and on a conflicting recording would do resolution
20:58<Chutt>and 'fix conflicts' would show everything, as currently
20:58<Chutt>hrm, that way
20:58<Chutt>you have two different actions resulting from the same dialog
20:58<Chutt>depending on the color of the entry
20:59<Chutt>not really the best design =)
21:01<Soopizzle>feel like making new screen shots?
21:01<Chutt>not at the moment, no
21:01<Soopizzle>any time tonite?
21:01<Chutt>probably not
21:02<Soopizzle>hmm.. how stable is cvs rite now
21:03<mdz>Soopizzle: you could make screen shots
21:03<Soopizzle>mdz, i think i'll try again
21:03<Soopizzle>because i couldn't get a good kernel up because of my nforce mobo
21:07<pheller>I built from CVS a few hours ago and stuff seems to be working fine....
21:07<pheller>a scheduled recording hasn't happened yet. we'll see how that works when seinfeld is on at 11p
21:08<Soopizzle>pheller, what system are you using?
21:08<Soopizzle>err linux dist. ?
21:12<mdz>scheduled recording works fine for now
21:13<pheller>redhat 8 with a 2.4.20 kernel. athlon xp 2000+,ga-7vaxp mobo, 512mb pc2100, ati-tv wonder / ati mach64 (until g400-tv arrives)
21:13<pheller>oh, and 80 gig udma100 disk
21:16<Soopizzle>pheller, that's about the same as me
21:16<pheller>now I need to build an ir transceiver
21:17<Soopizzle>i think i'll start my myth attempts after this game
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21:27<liscio>howdy all...hope you enjoyed your respective holidays...
21:28<bigguy>today is my birthday so I'm enjoying it
21:28<bigguy>Ate too much cake
21:28<liscio>happy bday. you get double the fun around this time, eh? :)
21:29<liscio>few days short of a New Years baby...I bet your parents were pissed... :D
21:29<bigguy>most end up giving me both christmas and birthday at christmas
21:29<bigguy>liscio: I was supposed to be a Christmas baby
21:30<liscio>I know. :P My dad's bday is the 27th. way too close for two gifts. :P
21:30<liscio>bigguy: were your relatives going nuts trying to find frankensense and myrrh? :)
21:31* lisciojokes...poorly...
21:32<liscio>So I got all the parts to make 5 IR receivers, and threw one together with no problems on a breadboard. Works better than my irman...
21:32<Chutt>where'd you end up ordering from?
21:32<liscio>...but ever since I've gone to debian, I've never gotten irxevent to work properly... :(
21:33<pheller>why not a transceiver?
21:33<liscio>Chutt: mouser. pretty damned impressive shipping...
21:33<liscio>pheller : no need for me, really...
21:33<pheller>mouser is awesome. their catalog is larger than a boston white pages
21:33<liscio>pheller : I'll take your word on that one...
21:33<Chutt>the boston white pages must be pretty small, then :p
21:34<pheller>the last mouser catalog I got weighed like 5 lbs
21:34<liscio>Chutt : I was worried about substituting the ir module (a TSOP 1238 vs. a 1738) but it worked in the end...
21:35<Chutt>i guess my mouser catalog's from 2000
21:35<liscio>hmm...what do you guys think. IR receiver, or front-panel USB? :)
21:35<Chutt>but it's only 450 pages or so
21:35<liscio>I'd have to knock the latter out to integrate the former on my cases...
21:35<Chutt>both would be useful
21:36<pheller>it'd be neat if you could use the xbox remote with included ir receiver
21:36<liscio>Chutt: it *could* be done, but I don't know about sticking that big square ir receiver behind a circular front-panel audio hole...
21:36<liscio>Chutt: I wouldn't want to sacrifice the range, etc...
21:37<liscio>I can't wait until my supplier gets the black cases in so I can order one and hack around with it...
21:38<liscio>damnit. irw works, ircat works, irxevent doesn't. double-damnit.
21:42<liscio>Chutt: shipping from mouser was surprisingly cheap too. $5.50 to canada...
21:44<mdz>ok, chmod -R 777 / fixed everything
21:44<mdz>now mythtv works good tx
21:44<Chutt>read his latest email
21:45<mdz>hmm, nice
21:46<Chutt>fixed it quite a long time ago, of course
21:46<pheller>chutt, mdz: what do you fellas do for day jobs? just curious....
21:46<liscio>they're interior designers...duhh... :)
21:47<liscio>(all the trading spaces, while you were out screenshots...)
21:47<Chutt>i write code
22:00<liscio>Neat. I have GTAIII on the main menu of mythfrontend now. It really was easy to just add an external command...
22:00<liscio>Unfortunately, the transgaming DirectInput emulation hasn't been worked out quite yet, and a wireless keyboard doesn't make for an optimal gaming input device... :)
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22:09<mdz>Chutt: damn, you beat me
22:10<Chutt>i'm pondering a reply to Mike Payson's email about showing things grouped by episode
22:11<Chutt>i'm pondering 'Hmm, did you forget to attach the patch to your email? I don't see it...'
22:11<mdz>"why not?"
22:11<mdz>after all, it "should" work this way
22:12<Chutt>bah, i pussied out and just said 'sure, send in a patch'
22:15<Chutt>ah well
22:15<Chutt>i was even semi-nice to the guy that just said 'it crashes'
22:16<Chutt>i dunno what's wrong with me
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22:35<_shad>Chutt: Is it safe for me to compile CVS? <Ducks>
22:39<_shad>I have a couple hours to play now :)
22:41<_shad>so I should do a make clean, make, get rid of all the settings.txt crap, and reimport 07-08.sql shit to be safe?
22:41<Chutt>not sure
22:41<_shad>I know from the cvs logs that the sql file has been changed, and stuff has moved from the .txt files to the database
22:42<Chutt>right, but i don't know what exactly you need to do to update things
22:42<_shad>I'll let you know what works :)
22:45<_shad>usr/share/qt/bin/qmake -o Makefile
22:45<_shad>make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/mythtv/MC/libs/libavcodec'
22:45<_shad>make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/mythtv/MC/libs/libavcodec'
22:45<_shad>wtf. heh
22:46<_shad>endless loop :P
22:46* _shadgoes and does a distclean
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22:55* yebyenblums
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22:57<mdz>Chutt: I need a db connection inside ProgramInfo. what do you think is the best way to work it?
22:57<Chutt>pass it in as needed
22:57<Chutt>or make one of those helper functions like exist currently
22:58<yebyen>i *heart* helper functions
22:59<yebyen>i wish I didn't have to code vbscript for work
22:59<mdz>why is everyone so confused about the zip code entry?
22:59<yebyen>i would rather be using javascript (or, uhh, a real programming language, but javascript is at least a reasonable change)
22:59<Chutt>mdz, i responded to that already
22:59<Chutt>just in case you were going to :p
23:00<mdz>it quite obviously doesn't do anything until the 5th digit is entered
23:00<Chutt>read what i just forwarded you
23:00<yebyen>24 new messages!
23:00<mdz>Chutt: not volunteering! :)(:)):):)
23:00<Chutt>yebyen, > 400 people on the list
23:01<_shad>poo:/usr/src/mythtv/MC/libs/libavcodec# make -j -f Makefile
23:01<Chutt>most of them can't do anything
23:01<_shad> usr/share/qt/bin/qmake -o Makefile
23:01<_shad>over, and over, and over...
23:01<Chutt>shad, do a clean checkout
23:01<Chutt>and, no make -j
23:01<_shad>like delete the whole dir
23:01<_shad>I don't wanna waste BW
23:01<mdz>the only thing better than people asking for features because "why not?" is people asking for features because it will help "compete" or increase "market share"
23:01<Chutt>bah, no worries
23:01<mdz>because as we all know, that's what motivates open source developers
23:02<Chutt>yeah, i want my software to be the bestest
23:02<Chutt>shad, and i do think make -j will mess stuff up =)
23:02<mdz>I want to sell more copies
23:03<_shad>Chutt: ya, I just tried that to see if there was many it wanted to do
23:03<mdz>heh, given that plain make doesn't even build everything correctly always, make -j is pretty much guaranteed to fail :-)
23:03<Chutt>mdz, it's a little better now after those includedep additions i made
23:03<Chutt>but still not entirely correct
23:04* _shadjust wants it to compile, not even run right now :)
23:04<mdz>hey, you could use automake
23:04<yebyen>"Apt can do this, but it would be a really nice feature for less technical
23:04<yebyen>less technical users than apt-get upgrade?
23:04<Chutt>yebyen, that's the guy we're discussing right now about 'market share' and stuff
23:04<yebyen>yeah heh
23:04<yebyen>i hope you don't intend to cater to people who can't comprehend "apt-get"
23:04<Chutt>he sent me something off list to my 'sure, send in a patch' response
23:05<_shad>make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/mythtv/MC/libs/libavcodec'
23:05<_shad>make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/mythtv/MC/libs/libavcodec'
23:05<_shad> /usr/share/qt/bin/qmake -o Makefile
23:05<_shad>stupid box
23:05* _shaddoes to do an update
23:05<Chutt>i have no idea, sorry
23:05<_shad>it's ok
23:05<_shad>maybe it's the qt ver
23:05<mdz>_shad: clock screwed up?
23:06<Chutt>that might be it
23:06<_shad>mdz: yep :)
23:06<Chutt>is the clock right on
23:06<_shad>that's it
23:06<_shad>it's my box
23:06<_shad>I just moved everything
23:06<_shad>stupid bios
23:06<mdz>find . | xargs touch
23:06<_shad>and the sync wouldn't sync because it's out by 2 years
23:06<mdz>make distclean
23:06<_shad>Sat Jan 1 01:11:49 EST 2000
23:07<mdz>heh, qmake says "I keep updating it but it doesn't get any newer!"
23:07<Chutt>cool, harondel handled that dxr3 question nicer than i would've
23:07* yebyenwaits impatiently for his irman
23:08<mdz>heh, vladimir is always complaining that apps written for bttv assume that the v4l device supports mmap
23:08<mdz>and I finally asked straight out how apps were supposed to determine whether it was supported
23:08<Chutt>so he should just support mmap and get over it
23:08<Chutt>there's a set of flags, isn't there?
23:08<mdz>well, there is a set of flags
23:08<mdz>but there is no flag for that
23:10<mdz>so his answer was "good question"
23:10<Chutt>there _is_ stuff in v4l2 for that
23:10<mdz>I saw the ifdef'd v4l2 stuff in the recorder
23:10<Chutt>and the v4l2 stuff's nicer, it uses select instead of a blocking ioctl
23:10<mdz>have you tried that much?
23:10<Chutt>to wait for the next frame
23:10<Chutt>i did a long time ago
23:11<Chutt>it's the old v4l2 api, but it should be simple to update it to the current one
23:11<mdz>is that stuff in 2.5?
23:12<_shad>ok. ntpdate is ass
23:13<Chutt>too far off for it to sync?
23:13<_shad>it doesn't like any servers I give it
23:13<Chutt>set the time close manually first
23:13<yebyen>why does it care? :(
23:13<_shad>just did
23:13<Chutt>it figures that something's wrong if the time's that far off
23:14<_shad>it just doesn't seem to like any server for some reason
23:14<Chutt>mdz, did anyone ever respond to you on the d-d stuff about mythtv?
23:14<yebyen>yeah, my clock skews really fast :)
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23:15<yebyen>there's a server at work that loses something like 25 seconds a minute
23:15<Chutt>hrm, nope
23:15<m0tion>hey, when I execute "mythvideo /blah/blah" it doesn't display the contents of the specified directory, it displays a bunch of .o files from who knows where, anyone know why?:
23:15<Chutt>scary, aaronl reesponded to that thread
23:15<yebyen>it's actually the timeclock/payroll server
23:15<_shad>poo:/var/log# ntpdate -u -b
23:15<_shad>29 Dec 00:03:37 ntpdate[2357]: no server suitable for synchronization found
23:15<Chutt>m0tion, i have no idea
23:15<Chutt>the guy that wrote all that's supposed to be coming back from vacation soon, though
23:18<bigguy>aaronl? Man I haven't seen or heard from him in ages
23:20<_shad>woo. compiling :)
23:20<yebyen>hrm, xmms doesn't much like playing mp3s over nfs on wireless ethernet
23:21<_shad>yebyen: increase cache?
23:21<_shad>cache the whole song
23:21<yebyen>i was about to tr ythat
23:21<yebyen>i don't know how much cache it allows you
23:21<yebyen>max 10000ms
23:22<mdz>Chutt: yeah, there was one guy who posted to mythtv-dev, another mailed me privately
23:22<yebyen>but there's a pre-buffer option
23:22<_shad>geez. the mythtv mailing list is almost as bad as the linux-kernel list :)
23:22<yebyen>i just set it to 90%, the max
23:22<yebyen>"Sure, send in a patch that implements it cleanly.
23:23<mdz>yebyen: the problem is not with xmms nor nfs
23:23<mdz>and if your wireless ethernet network doesn't have enough bandwidth for a <256kbit mp3, it has problems
23:23<yebyen>mdz: no it's got plenty of bandwidth, :)
23:24<yebyen>mdz: it runs fine for a minute or two and then stops for 30 seconds or so
23:24<_shad>Holiday food is turning into disgusting gas. :(
23:24* _shadneeds a gas mask
23:24<yebyen>mdz: and now that I increased the buffer, it seems to be working fine
23:25<m0tion>anyone here using mythvideo?
23:25<mdz>yebyen: I've never had any problems with the should need hardly any buffering at all
23:26<_shad>yebyen: you don't happen to be running mythtv over wireless, are you? ;)
23:26<yebyen>_shad: indeed I am, not at the moment but I did get it to work :)
23:28<yebyen>freaked my parents out, tv over wireless ethernet
23:28<_shad>I like cables
23:28<yebyen>i don't, I like couch computing :)
23:28<yebyen>and cables slow me down
23:28<_shad>I just ripped my whole system apart
23:29<_shad>I had problems with my stupid wireless keyboard since I moved the puter
23:34<yebyen>within a system, cables are fine
23:34<yebyen>i don't know that I'll be buying a wireless mouse any time soon
23:34<yebyen>but I don't like cables going across my living room, and I'm way too lazy to run an ethernet drop
23:36<agere>my father in law bought a wireless mouse. Took him 3 weeks to figure out it needed batteries.
23:37<_shad>We get calls all the time from the people we sell wireless stuff to
23:37<_shad>'did you change the batteries?'
23:38<_shad>'did you press the button after you changed the batteries to connect?'
23:45<_shad>'it doesn't work!'
23:45<_shad>so i drive out there and press the button
23:45<_shad>and they get charged travel time and min 1/4 hour
23:46<mdz>Chutt: pass a db connection to programinfo, guidegrid needs one
23:48<mdz>this is getting messy
23:49<yebyen>mdz: helper functions! :D
23:49<_shad>poo:/usr/src/mythtv/MC/setup# ./setup
23:49<_shad>Would you like to clear all program/channel/recording/card
23:49<_shad>settings before starting configuration? [n] y
23:49<_shad>and it just sits there
23:50<yebyen>doesn't connect to $DISPLAY and show a nice oogly setup window?
23:50<mdz>yes, that is what it is trying to do
23:50<mdz>but your wireless network is choking it :-P
23:51<mdz>repeat after me: the video driver doesn't know anything about focus
23:53<yebyen>HEH using a wireless network are you? :)
23:53<_shad>mdz: how do you delete a database in mysql?
23:57<Echo465>drop database (dbname);?
23:57* _shadwent and deleted the stupid dir
23:57<_shad>works now :)