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12:07<Chutt>mdz, hey, you here?
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12:24<rkulagow>good morning, chutt. can you please sync webpage with cvs docs?
12:26<rkulagow>chutt, did you see the Mythvideo startup instruction message that Tarek posted to the mailing list yesterday afternoon? it might be nice to put that into the settings file. if you don't want to do that, i'll add instructions to the howto.
12:27<Chutt>you can add that to the mythvideo settings file if you want
12:28<rkulagow>ok, will do. thanks.
12:29<Chutt>website did 9.49GB of traffic yesterday
12:29<rkulagow>thank you, /.
12:30<Chutt>18k downloads of 0.7 this month
12:32<nevertheless>uiuiui :-)
12:34<rkulagow>chutt, i've updated the settings file, and will hack together a quick README. can you quickly explain what the various profiles would be used for? i'm assuming so that different applications can be associated with various formats?
12:34<Chutt>i really don't know
12:35<Chutt>i've been meaning to look at mythvideo, but haven't had the time, really
12:36<rkulagow>hrmm. who did the original commit? i don't see anything in main.cpp...
12:36<Chutt>i did the original commit
12:36<Chutt>it was that 'markie' guy
12:46<nevertheless>Chutt: ever thought about adding this hardware mailing list or this hardware site to the "System Requirements" part of the page?
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13:12<moegreen>for working at a linux distribution (hahaha) Merle Reine isn't the smartest cookie, eh?
13:13<Chutt>you noticed that too?
13:13* poptixsighs
13:13<poptix>i just fried my PSU
13:13<poptix>apparently the big heatsinks in it are positive ground
13:13<poptix>which is really stupid, considering the case it's in is negative ground
13:16<PeteCool>xset -dmps doesn't work for me, any ideas how to disable dpms from XF86Config? It's NOT enabled currently, argh
13:24<rkulagow>petecool: i'm assuming you saw this, correct?
13:25<rkulagow>does this work: $ xset dpms force off
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13:34<Rastabob>Hi all
13:35<Rastabob>I have a problem compiling mythtv from CVS. I have Suse 8.0 and i get In file included from filetransfer.cpp:7:
13:35<Rastabob>../../libs/libmythtv/RingBuffer.h:14: type specifier omitted for parameter
13:35<Rastabob>../../libs/libmythtv/RingBuffer.h:14: parse error before `)'
13:35<Rastabob>any hints?
13:38<Rastabob>I have the actual CVS, because yesterday I got another error, but that one is fixed now.
13:50<moegreen>I don't get any errors
13:50<rkulagow>chutt, do you think if the lindows guy figures out how to work CVS he's going to listen to you telling him not to package CVS?
13:51<moegreen>rkulagow: I think he figured out the cvs part, he's having problems with it though
13:51<moegreen>the backend part at least
13:56<Soopizzle>hey chutt
13:56<Soopizzle>do you have a mythmusic web component?
13:56<Soopizzle>like you have the web tv guide?
13:57<Rastabob>perhaps you find an error, or its an error in my suse, i don't know. But i have to go now. I'l be back in about 3 hours. If you find something, then pls post it, i will let my Ksirc running. Thx
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14:03<PeteCool>rkulagow: xset dpms force off blanks the monitor
14:04<PeteCool>rkulagow: what does that mean? that xset works?
14:13<rkulagow>petecool: yes, checking to see that DPMS was working at all. try xset dpms 0 0 0
14:13<rkulagow>also, see if the KDE screensaver is kicking-in DPMS mode (if you're running KDE)
14:13<PeteCool>rkulagow: do you think Option "NoPM" "true" might be useful?
14:14<rkulagow>hrmm. don't know; do you mean in the XFree config file?
14:14<PeteCool>I'm using Windowmaker
14:14<PeteCool>rkulagow: yep
14:16<rkulagow>it can't hurt, i suppose. you can try to mod the XFree config file then CTRL-ALT-BkSpace to restart the X server and see what happens. How long does it take DPMS to kick in?
14:18<PeteCool>I never counted it, should be about 10 mins
14:42<Chutt>rkulagow, i doubt he (she?) will pay attention to that, no
14:45<rkulagow>chutt, about two weeks ago i sent you a five liner to mythfrontend that used an X call to turn off the screensaver. didn't like it?
14:45<Chutt>oh, i thought i said =)
14:45<Chutt>no, i don't think it's a good place to do that
14:46<rkulagow>no, don't recall a response back. somewhere better then, or don't bother?
14:46<Chutt>well, can't it be done with a call like that's in the howto now?
15:02<rkulagow>yes, it can be, but my feeling is that we don't have people reading the docs now, so if there's something that we can do it code with no/little effort, then why not?
15:03<rkulagow>of course, your code, so whatever.
15:04<Chutt>i just don't like having X code like that in there, is all
15:05<poptix>Chutt: what editing tool do you use when working on MythTV?
15:09<poptix>i've never been able to use any of those coding programs, such as codewarrior
15:09<poptix>this QSA toolkit thing looks nifty though
15:10<Chutt>it does
15:11<poptix>how would you suggest i update the current channel in the EPG (type 1 EPG)
15:11<poptix>for the preview window
15:13<poptix>i noticed MythTV is using the return code from RunProgramGuide and pushing it into some sort of channel change queue
15:14<Chutt>the guidegrid class has access to the TV class
15:14<Chutt>so a new public method to change the channel to a string would work
15:14<Chutt>in the TV class
15:15<poptix>should I be calling TV::ChangeChannel() though?
15:16<poptix>C++ is confusing =/
15:16<Chutt>just keep in mind that the guide grid is running in a different thread than the TV stuff is running, so you can't just use the existing ChangeChannel functions
15:16<poptix>i found that out =p
15:16<poptix>figured i was doing it wrong though
15:17<Chutt>a function that copies the channel number to the channelKeys stuff and sets channelqueued = true would work, though
15:17<Chutt>like how it does after it finishes the RunProgramGuide() stuff
15:19<poptix>btw, what do you think of a left aligned channel name in the alternate EPG?
15:20<poptix>i think it looks much nicer than the way it is now (centered)
15:20<poptix>the grid is nice and clean, aligned, then you've got all these messy channel names with call letters =p
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15:22<poptix>channelKeys is currently private, would it cause issues if i made it public?
15:25<Chutt>it needs to stay private
15:25<Chutt>but since you'd be writing a new function in the TV class, it doesn't matter
15:25<Chutt>and yeah, if you want to make it configurable to center it or left align it, sure
15:26<Chutt>for feature additions, i'll accept pretty much anything as long as it's configurable and doesn't break anything
15:26<poptix>just wasn't sure if anyone liked it centered =p
15:26<poptix>looks out of place when everything is so nice and tidy
15:27<lichen>im thinking i might check in those mythweb changes that guy posted a while, just so people have a working mythweb cvs, and then hopefully clean it up and make it a little bit better codeover the next couple days
15:29<Chutt>lichen, cool.
15:29<Chutt>lichen, can you respond to his email on the list then, just to say that it's checked in or whatnot?
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15:35<lichen>yep, ill do that
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15:35<rkulagow>PeteCool: did the option noPM work for you?
15:40<poptix>Chutt: the OSD continues to look better and better =)
15:40<poptix>.8 will be quite the improvement from .7
15:42<poptix>anyone know the specifics of the problems that some people have with RH8?
15:43<rkulagow>poptix: Cedar McKay may have them, and you can also check the HOWTO for "Red Hat Users" special instructions.
15:44<poptix>yeah, it just mentions something about 'if you're using RH8, do this'
15:44<poptix>i didn't have to do anything, so i'm curious about the specifics
15:44<poptix>i've got multiple RH8 systems here, none had a problem
15:46<lichen>it doesn't really make sense to use the TIME format in the record table and then use DATETIME in program, now it makes it more difficult to reference each other
15:46<lichen>why not just one or the other?
15:48<Chutt>for the timeslot recording stuff
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15:49<lichen>ohhh so you can leave date null, that makes sense
15:49<lichen>damn.. well class time :( work on it more later
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16:04<poptix>Chutt, how do i tell it not to display any of the OSD stuff =p
16:05<poptix>it's showing the OSD and whatnot in the preview window
16:06<Chutt>oh, yeah
16:06<Chutt>i dunno if there's an existing easy way to disable it
16:07<Chutt>wouldn't be hard to add, of coursee
16:09<poptix>turning off the OSD before the GuideGrid thread, then turning it back on after seems like a good way to do it
16:20<poptix>Chutt: still here?
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16:23<Chutt>i'm working, so i'm semi-busy :p
16:25<poptix>i'm going to add something to not change the channel if the current channel is the channel it's being told to set it to
16:25<poptix>if that makes sense.
16:28<poptix>seems like a good idea..
16:28<poptix>that god awful noise it makes when changing channels sucks
16:38<poptix>(hardware problem, not mythtv)
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16:40<Rastabob>Hi all, i'm back now.
16:41<Rastabob>And there is still this problem, when compiling latest CVS
16:42<Chutt>so fix it.
16:42<Rastabob>I don't know how to fix it, can anybody help me pls?
16:42<Rastabob>_SUPPORT -I/usr/local/include -I../../libs/libmythtv -I../../libs -I/usr/lib/qt-3.0.5/include -I/usr/lib/qt-3.0.5/mkspecs/default -o filetransfer.o filetransfer.cpp
16:42<Rastabob>In file included from filetransfer.cpp:7:
16:42<Rastabob>../../libs/libmythtv/RingBuffer.h:14: type specifier omitted for parameter
16:42<Rastabob>../../libs/libmythtv/RingBuffer.h:14: parse error before `)'
16:42<Rastabob>make[2]: *** [filetransfer.o] Fehler 1
16:43<Chutt>if you can't fix simple compiler errors
16:43<Chutt>you shouldn't be using CVS.
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16:44<poptix>Rastabob: what distribution?
16:44<Rastabob>I have Suse 8.0 and mythtv 0.7 compiled without errors but didn't work, because i am from germany and mythfilldatabase didn't work with tv_grab_de
16:44<Chutt>ie, 'the crappiest of all distributions'
16:44<Rastabob>sorry, but at the moment i have no time for a new installation. In about a month i will try a woody.
16:45<poptix>Rastabob: if you don't have 20 minutes for a better install, you don't have time to muck with MythTV
16:45<Chutt>and like i said, if you can't fix simple compile errors
16:45<Chutt>don't use cvs.
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16:45<poptix>i started screaming at my roommate every time he asked for help with suse
16:45<poptix>never ending problems.
16:46<poptix>Chutt: fyi, i plan on making RPM's for myth (non-cvs) unless someone else has offered
16:47<Chutt>that's cool
16:47<Chutt>check out the mythtv listing on, though
16:47<Chutt>i think there's some rpms available there
16:49<poptix>apps/app doesn't exist
16:49<poptix>at least, i can't resolve it =p
16:49<Chutt>oh, oops
16:50<Chutt>it's .net or .com, then
16:50<Chutt>not .net
16:50<poptix>oh, there it is =p
16:51<poptix>suse rpm =p
16:51* poptixpoints Rastabob that direction
16:51<poptix>i'll make my own for RH8
16:52<poptix>a local ISP runs an apt4rpm repository, he'll be happy to host it.
16:52<poptix>oh, hmm
16:52<poptix>scrolled down further, there's the RH8 rpm
16:53<Chutt>i have no idea how well or if those work
16:54<poptix>maybe i'll try it on my gf's computer
16:56<poptix>i know the pain of having your mailing list infested with messages from people trying badly packaged versions of software you write
16:57<poptix>(which is why i agree with your email about no CVS binaries)
16:59<Chutt>then i'd have to support them, too
17:02<poptix>does the All In Wonder not have a standard v4l interface?
17:03<Chutt>the thing about those is the drivers don't support simultaneous capture and display
17:04<rkulagow>poptix: this guy has already created a mythtv rpm. don't know how well it works yet...
17:04<poptix>rkulagow: alright
17:04<poptix>ho hum
17:05<poptix>Chutt: ever played with a hollywood sigma plus mpeg2 decoder board?
17:06<poptix>supported in linux, and they have nice clean output
17:07<poptix>it also has digital video output
17:09<Chutt>sorry, busy
17:09<poptix>i wasn't expecting a response, just indicating i was done =)
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17:20<hurdel>can anybody get to
17:21<hurdel>thank goodness for the google cache
17:30<rkulagow>chutt, got time?
17:36<rkulagow>chutt, i'm writing some more help text. what's the purpose of Generate Preview Pixmaps vs. Playback Preview? If I set GeneratePreviewPixmaps, it puts a big black box on the "watch recording" screen, but there's nothing in it. Playback preview plays the file in the window. if neither are set, then of course nothing happens. so, what's GeneratePreviewPixmaps for?
18:20<moegreen>rkulagow & all: I've update the CVS MythWeather - this should fix problems with the program starting slowly and the extended forecast skipping a day.
18:21<rkulagow>great, thanks.
18:24<PeteCool_>rkulagow: no, NoPM didn't work either
18:24<PeteCool_>rkulagow: If I found a way to not load the DPMS module, it would be fine
18:28<moegreen>PeteCool_: Is the DPMS a power saving module?
18:28<PeteCool_>moegreen: yes
18:28<moegreen>PeteCool_: Have you tried disabling power saving in your bios?
18:29<PeteCool_>moegreen: seems not to be a separate lib/module though
18:29<PeteCool_>moegreen: I usually do it, but I'll check again
18:29<moegreen>PeteCool_: You could also try and take out APM support in your kernel
18:31<lichen_>xset -dpms
18:31<lichen_>that turns it off
18:32<PeteCool_>lichen_: it didn't work at first... I changed a few things which might help
18:33<PeteCool_>moegreen: is mythweather still supposed to update its data every 30 minutes?
18:34<PeteCool_>moegreen: it's currently 18h33, and the data is from 17h00
18:35<moegreen>PeteCool_: The data is updated every 30 minutes from the source, but the source might now be updated that often
18:36<moegreen>replace now with not
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18:48<frzd>i just recompiled mplayer with the patch i found on the mailing list archives, it plays the mp3 stream but no video
18:48<frzd>is there no rtjpeg support in mplayer or something?
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19:25<moegreen>I've updated the MythWeather screenshots, they're at the bottom of
19:28<PeteCool>moegreen: when did you add the contacting host thing?
19:28<moegreen>PeteCool: just recently, it should only show for a fraction of a second if things are working correctly
19:29<PeteCool>moegreen: and "tomorrow's forecast" ? (the last shot)
19:29<PeteCool>looks great btw
19:30<moegreen>PeteCool: that was also recently...this addresses the problem with the extended forecast skipping a day
19:30<moegreen>Now, depending on what data is available, 'Today's forecast' becomes 'Tomorrow's forecast'
19:34<PeteCool>moegreen: earlier yesterday the data was all "-na-", did you add something to handle that?
19:35<PeteCool>moegreen: I mean the data for my area was like that
19:35<moegreen>PeteCool: That means that the weather source didn't have data for it - nothing much I can do about that :)
19:35<moegreen>PeteCool: was it -na- for all the fields?
19:36<PeteCool>moegreen: the display was ugly...
19:36<PeteCool>moegreen: yes, everything was -na-
19:36<PeteCool>even the weather picture
19:36<moegreen>PeteCool: did you try to force and update, or was it like that for a long time?
19:37<moegreen>err, force an update (hit 'm')
19:37<PeteCool>moegreen: I wasn't home for long, when I came back the data was back alright on msnbc
19:37<frzd>i tried to install mythtv from CVS, i get an error about the db
19:37<PeteCool>I thought enter also forced an update?
19:37<frzd>i think it was cannot use db or something
19:37<moegreen>I guess if I see the -na- in a certain field I can have it go back to the 'startup' screen and say a message about data not being available
19:38<frzd>upgrade from 0.7...
19:38<PeteCool>frzd: did you setup your database correctly?
19:38<PeteCool>moegreen: that would be good
19:38<frzd>frzd: afaik
19:38<frzd>it worked for 0.7
19:38<moegreen>'enter' does update, but it also switches the units
19:38<PeteCool>frzd: did you run the 0-7-to-0-8.sql (or something like that) script?
19:38<moegreen>'m' will reset your locale to the locale that is set in the database, and then update
19:38<frzd>i ran it
19:39<PeteCool>frzd: did you run mythbackend & before stating mythfrontend?
19:39<frzd>i get the error from mythbackend
19:40<moegreen>frzd: how about running the 'setup' to initialize the new settings in the database
19:40<PeteCool>frzd: did you adjust mysql.txt to your correct username and password
19:40<frzd>i'll give it a whirl
19:40<frzd>no i didn't
19:40<PeteCool>setup is important too
19:40<frzd>but in .7, there was a default
19:40<frzd>or whatever
19:40<PeteCool>if you do both things it will work
19:41<PeteCool>unless your video card as a &*%*$^*$^*( Xv problem :(
19:41<frzd>it works in 0.7
19:41<PeteCool>which codec family is the mythtv mpeg4 from? divx? xvid? msmpeg4?
19:42<frzd>i'd bet divx
19:42<frzd>but that's just a guess
19:42<PeteCool>xvid dev-api-3 branch is the best :)
19:43<PeteCool>moegreen: enter here doesn't update the update time (with a few day's old cvs)
19:44<PeteCool>moegreen: but I'll try again when this compile is done
19:45<PeteCool>moegreen: the "blue osd theme" link on your web page gives me a 404
19:46<moegreen>PeteCool: It goes out to get new data from the source, it doesn't mean the source has new data (that Update Time: is the time of the weather source being update, not when the program last connected to the weather source)
19:46<moegreen>PeteCool: yeah, I don't have anything there yet - i need a screenshot of it in action I guess
20:03<PeteCool>to change fonts I only need to put them in $prefix/share/mythtv ?
20:38<PeteCool>rkulagow: I found a way to prevent Xfree from loading the DPMS extension... now I only need to see if it works
20:39<frzd>Mplayer disables it by default
20:39<frzd>when the video starts
21:00<PeteCool>even when the DPMS extension isn't loaded the screen blanks :(
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21:35<PeteCool>does the editing mode actually trim off data, to make the files smaller?
21:37<moegreen>PeteCool: not at this point, it's in the todo list
21:42<PeteCool>also, is it possible to use filters to denoise before compression?
21:44<PeteCool>the tvtime filters are great
21:45<PeteCool>vektor knows "a lot" about those ;)
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21:46<boo>hi i'm trying to get the latest CVS snapshot is there a pserver I can set my cvsroot to
21:47<boo>thanks I looked at the site but I didn't spot that sorry I suck
21:48<PeteCool>boo: heh, I too missed that page ;)
21:52<boo>thanks for the info
21:57<PeteCool>for the audio to take less cpu to encode, should I reduce or increase the quality setting?
21:58<Chutt>increase it
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21:59<PeteCool>man do I need a faster hard disk... it can't even take 480x480 live tv, when I do that the hdd light is always on
22:02<moegreen>PeteCool: what speeds are you getting from hdparm?
22:02<lichen_>yeah make sure you have DMA turned on
22:05<PeteCool>dma is on, it's just not a new hd... it's a wd200bb, 20 gig model from about 2 years ago I think
22:05<lichen_>mines only a 30 gig and its working alright
22:05<lichen_>i suppose you might have some problems with crappy 5400's though
22:06<PeteCool>I'll have to look at its specs... but I got it for free, my dad lets me use it until he needs it... which will probably be never
22:08<PeteCool>my mythtv box cost me 115$CDN for a tuner, so I can't really complain ;)
22:10<frzd>bah, i finally got cvs going
22:11<frzd>if only i could get 480x480
22:11<frzd>450mhz is just too slow for this sorta thing i guess
22:12<PeteCool>frzd: 1100 mhz isn't even enough
22:13<frzd>there must be something else wrong
22:13<frzd>i can ALMOST get 480x480 w/ mpeg4
22:13<PeteCool>but I think I have some tweaks I can do
22:13<frzd>it's like 95% cpu
22:13<frzd>1.1ghz would be more than adequate
22:13<PeteCool>how do you know that?
22:13<PeteCool>the 95% number
22:14<frzd>i just wonder why 1.1ghz wouldn't be enough
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22:14<frzd>i bet 600mhz would be fine
22:14<PeteCool>frzd: it depends on your cpu... athlon 1.1 would be enough, but this is a p3
22:14<frzd>i have a p3 450mhz
22:15<frzd>and i can get almost full speed 480x480
22:15<frzd>must be a bad drive or something
22:15<frzd>bad ide controller
22:15<PeteCool>frzd: what model is your hd?
22:15<frzd>it's some 8 gig western digital thing
22:15<PeteCool>8 gigs?
22:16<frzd>udma66 but i'm running it in 33
22:16<PeteCool>how many minutes can you hold on it?
22:16<frzd>enough, i have like 150minutes on it right now
22:16<moegreen>frzd: are you talking about just recording, or watching live tv?
22:16<frzd>live tv
22:16<frzd>recording would probably be more than adequate
22:16<PeteCool>frzd: is it on its own ide channel?
22:16<frzd>i should probably throw in a udma66 card or something
22:17<frzd>then maybe i could get full speed
22:17<frzd>rtjpeg is too slow, but mpeg4 is aaalmost there
22:17<frzd>this is at 1500 bitrate mind you
22:17<PeteCool>frzd: the hd can't even transmit at 33mb/s
22:17<frzd>PeteCool: ?
22:17<PeteCool>only bursts (which don't help mythtv) could gain from it, with a faster hd
22:18<PeteCool>frzd: putting it on udma66 won't help
22:18<PeteCool>frzd: it's not even hitting the limit of udma33, it's too old
22:18<frzd>i'm planning on getting a 700-800mhz p3 off ebay or something
22:18<frzd>i'm going to try the card anyway, you never know
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22:37<PeteCool>hdparm tells me my hd can transfer at 13.95 mb/s... is that enough for 480x480?
22:38<PeteCool>what about 17.68 mb/s ?
22:38<bewmIES>That's kinda slow
22:38<bewmIES>My drives get in teh 40mb/s range
22:38<PeteCool>bewmIES: what are your drive models and cpu/mobo ?
22:39<bewmIES>lessee, here I have a KT266 chipset (shuttle mobo)
22:39<bewmIES> /dev/hda:
22:39<bewmIES> Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 1.63 seconds = 39.26 MB/sec
22:39<bewmIES>hda: ST340016A, ATA DISK drive
22:39<PeteCool>it's just a celeron/256k with 512megs sdram-pc100
22:39<bewmIES>is DMA enabled?
22:39<bewmIES>32bit I/O?
22:39<bewmIES> IO_support = 1 (32-bit)
22:39<bewmIES> unmaskirq = 1 (on)
22:39<bewmIES> using_dma = 1 (on)
22:40<bewmIES>hdparm -d1 -u1 -c1 /dev/hdX
22:40<bewmIES>Then try speed again (-t)
22:40<bewmIES>With an older box like that you won't get very good performance; I have no idea if your setup is fast enough for encoding etc but keep in mind those numbers are only ballparks (and high ones at that IMHO)
22:41<PeteCool>the new settings make no difference at all
22:41<bewmIES>sorry to hear that :(
22:41<PeteCool>live tv works, but a higher resolution wouldn't hurt
22:41<bewmIES>I think somebody on the list said that MPEG4 (forget what settings) took about 4mb/s
22:41<PeteCool>what about rtjpeg?
22:41<bewmIES>it was on the wireless thread, there may be some info there
22:42<bewmIES>no idea about rtjpeg, I'm still very new to video4linux in general :0
22:42<bewmIES>my video knowledge is about nill
22:43<PeteCool>what about multcount? how is yours?
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22:51<PeteCool>seems like I'm gonna reverse-ghost my root (17mb/s) to the mythtv buffer disk (13mb/s)... this will take hours :(
22:55<bewmIES>heh sounds like fun
23:46<PeteCool>it's not even finished yet