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| 10:39 | <rkulagow> | morning. chutt, are you here? |
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| 12:37 | <rkulagow> | anyone think that we're going to be seeing CX23881 drivers released in a week? |
| 12:38 | <Conaz> | Which products are using that chipset? |
| 12:39 | <rkulagow> | newer capture cards (like from Hauppauge) are using that rather than the bt878. no cx23881 driver, no v4l capture possible. (and the box doesn't tell you, so you've got to buy and open to see what you got) |
| 12:39 | <Conaz> | ack, that figures |
| 12:40 | <Conaz> | I purchased a couple of G200TV cards although haven't gotten them working yet. My WinTVgo 190 worked great with MythTV |
| 12:40 | <Conaz> | Of course everyone wants that on-board compression :) |
| 12:41 | <Conaz> | So rumors about a driver for that chipset then? |
| 12:43 | <Chutt> | using the g200's is silly |
| 12:43 | <Chutt> | decompression takes sooo much more cpu than even mpeg4 |
| 12:43 | <Chutt> | you're not going to save any cpu power |
| 12:44 | <Conaz> | ack, at least I picked them up cheap :) |
| 12:44 | <rkulagow> | chutt: any thoughts to the mythweather module issue i had in IRC yesterday? (mythweather not working if you say "no" to exiting mythfrontend) |
| 12:45 | <Chutt> | nope, sorry |
| 12:45 | <rkulagow> | ok |
| 12:45 | <Chutt> | i have no idea why that would happen |
| 12:46 | <rkulagow> | i was just wondering if it was just me... |
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| 12:46 | <Conaz> | So even compression and decompression of mpeg4 would be less CPU than just one decompress stream from the G200? |
| 12:47 | <mdz_> | somebody add "remind me in a week" to that guy's list of ways that vendors can say "no" without saying "no" |
| 12:47 | <Chutt> | well |
| 12:47 | <Chutt> | drivers for that chipset _are_ in dscaler |
| 12:48 | <vektor> | The cx one? |
| 12:48 | <vektor> | Ah the cx23881 ? |
| 12:48 | <vektor> | The chip seems really cool based on the dscaler list. |
| 12:48 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 12:48 | <vektor> | rkulagow: Are you interesetd in helping port the dscaler driver? |
| 12:49 | <vektor> | There are a few features it seems to have that I'd be interested in using. |
| 12:49 | <Chutt> | the guy that works for lindows claims they have a working driver |
| 12:49 | <rkulagow> | vektor: ask chutt and mdz about my mad skillz. (way beyond my ability...) |
| 12:49 | <vektor> | You have mad skillz? |
| 12:49 | <vektor> | Awesome. |
| 12:49 | <vektor> | Chutt: A V4L driver? Nifty. |
| 12:49 | <vektor> | I don't trust the lindows guy who's been posting to video4linux-list. |
| 12:50 | <vektor> | Seemed to misunderstand a few things. But I didn't really pay alot of attention. |
| 12:50 | <rkulagow> | vektor: i think i'll stick with contributing the best way i can, which is the HOWTO. maybe the lindows guy can help. :) |
| 12:51 | <vektor> | Oh, ok. |
| 12:53 | <vektor> | The DScaler bttv driver also has some things I'd love to see put into the V4L driver. |
| 12:53 | <vektor> | Ah well. |
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| 13:50 | <mdz_> | is this dscaler driver open source? |
| 13:51 | <mdz_> | I was looking for a driver for this softmodem the other day, which was a conexant device |
| 13:51 | <mdz_> | and there were only some click-through license drivers |
| 13:51 | <Chutt> | dscaler's gpl |
| 13:52 | <mdz_> | lindows is not known for being forthcoming about source code |
| 13:52 | <mdz_> | I will be genuinely surprised if he sends it to me |
| 13:53 | <optixpay> | boo. |
| 13:53 | <optixpay> | Chutt get my email? |
| 13:54 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 13:54 | <vektor> | mdz: The DScaler driver is GPL. |
| 13:54 | <vektor> | oh, chutt already replied. |
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| 13:58 | <m0tion> | dscaler is supposed to be pretty badass, even better than the mplayer deinterlace code... |
| 13:58 | <optixpay> | dscaler is badass |
| 13:58 | <optixpay> | =) |
| 13:59 | <m0tion> | from what I've read it likes cpu time though |
| 14:01 | <vektor> | m0tion: You should try tvtime. |
| 14:01 | <vektor> | It's my port to linux of DScaler. |
| 14:01 | <m0tion> | vektor: we've talked before, that looks like a really good project too =) |
| 14:01 | <vektor> | We'll also soon support dscaler filter dlls directly, which will get the ones I haven't hand ported. |
| 14:01 | <vektor> | Since some are a pain to port. :) |
| 14:02 | <vektor> | gcc sucks :) |
| 14:02 | <m0tion> | does it? |
| 14:02 | <vektor> | Well, no it's just it's alot alot easier to do inline assembly with the ms and intel compilers. |
| 14:02 | <vektor> | So, I might also try using icc. |
| 14:03 | <m0tion> | oohhh, ok |
| 14:03 | <vektor> | Oh, also the intel compiler is a better optimizer. |
| 14:03 | <m0tion> | don't suppose any of you guys have any experiance coding with gtkperl do ya? |
| 14:04 | <vektor> | But gcc is so much more convenient in the linux community :( |
| 14:25 | <mdz_> | of course it is; you can't even redistribute the intel compiler |
| 14:25 | <mdz_> | and it isn't exactly a feature-for-feature replacement for gcc, it's a one-trick pony |
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| 14:39 | <vektor> | Yep. |
| 14:39 | <vektor> | So, it's annoying, especially given how alot of people don't like binary packages :) |
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| 14:52 | <mdz_> | intel would do better to improve gcc |
| 14:52 | <mdz_> | I doubt they're making money off of their compiler |
| 14:53 | <Chutt> | my company buys it |
| 14:53 | <Chutt> | their windows compiler, that is |
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| 14:56 | <SoopaTecmoBowl> | Chutt, what's your company? |
| 14:58 | <mdz_> | the windows compiler is different? |
| 15:01 | <Chutt> | soopa, relatable |
| 15:01 | <Chutt> | mdz, probably the same, but.. |
| 15:28 | <SoopaTecmoBowl> | relatable is your company name? |
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| 16:52 | <mdz_> | bah, theme.txt, settings.txt, whatever |
| 16:52 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 16:52 | <mdz_> | it's like apache all over again |
| 16:52 | <mdz_> | there is One True Config File |
| 16:53 | <Chutt> | and it doesn't matter =) |
| 16:53 | <mdz_> | right, except that theme.txt has the comment |
| 16:58 | <rkulagow> | moegreen, i downloaded from CVS, compiled and make installed. still get the "disappearing mythweather module. |
| 17:06 | <vektor> | mdz: their windows compiler rocks. |
| 17:06 | <vektor> | mdz: i know a few companies that buy it |
| 17:06 | <vektor> | mdz: the last company i worked for used it on lots and lots of stuff, we had many many copies purchased :) |
| 17:07 | <vektor> | mdz: for their linux version, i'm sure they'll have a few people buying it. hell i'll probably buy it :) |
| 17:07 | <vektor> | unless it's like free for my use |
| 17:07 | <vektor> | dunno, been a year since i tried it last |
| 17:08 | <vektor> | It really helped my raytracer though. |
| 17:08 | <vektor> | saved like an hour and a half or so on the big images. |
| 17:10 | <moegreen> | rkulagow: Are you able to 'bring it to the front' via your window manager? Or is it entirely not there? |
| 17:11 | <rkulagow> | moegreen:i'll check. |
| 17:11 | <moegreen> | I know i've had some problems with window focus after returning from watching a previous recording, although I haven't had time to track it down |
| 17:12 | <Chutt> | click-to-focus fixes all window focus issues here |
| 17:12 | <Chutt> | but, i don't think this is the same thing |
| 17:42 | <moegreen> | hmm...I can't reproduce it |
| 17:44 | <rkulagow> | i'll see and let you know. |
| 17:45 | <Chutt> | moegreen, notice that the middle blue box is slightly too wide? |
| 17:45 | <rkulagow> | i've got kde set for click to focus... |
| 17:54 | <Chutt> | mdz, around? |
| 18:04 | <mdz_> | Chutt: yep |
| 18:05 | <Chutt> | the configWidget() function needs to know what the screen size multiplier is |
| 18:06 | <Chutt> | any reason why i can't just add a couple floats to it? |
| 18:06 | <mdz_> | yeah, I mean to rearrange that |
| 18:06 | <mdz_> | do the widgets themselves need to know the multiplier, or just the dialog? |
| 18:06 | <Chutt> | the widgets do |
| 18:06 | <Chutt> | well, some of them |
| 18:06 | <Chutt> | the configgroups, mainly |
| 18:07 | <Chutt> | since they're adding layouts |
| 18:07 | <Chutt> | HorizontalConfigurationGroup and VerticalConfigurationGroup |
| 18:08 | <mdz_> | it seems like it should be able to get that kind of information from its parent somehow, or something |
| 18:08 | <Chutt> | are the only two that need it |
| 18:08 | <mdz_> | so that it doesn't need that info passed around so many places |
| 18:08 | <mdz_> | I'm not sure that HorizontalConfigurationGroup is actually used anymore |
| 18:08 | <Chutt> | it's used for the image size selector |
| 18:09 | <mdz_> | oh |
| 18:09 | <mdz_> | it seems ugly to pass in floats everywhere |
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| 18:09 | <mdz_> | but I'm probably going to rip that stuff apart and redo it one day anyhow |
| 18:10 | <Chutt> | could pass in the context instead |
| 18:10 | <mdz_> | well there's a pointer to the group now |
| 18:10 | <mdz_> | does that have a context? |
| 18:11 | <mdz_> | no, only the dialogs. hmm. |
| 18:11 | <Chutt> | nope |
| 18:11 | <mdz_> | well, whatever you want to do with it |
| 18:12 | <mdz_> | why are those floats btw? |
| 18:12 | <Chutt> | why not? |
| 18:12 | <mdz_> | screen size is an integerish kind of thing |
| 18:13 | <Chutt> | this is what % the size is compared to 800x600 |
| 18:13 | <mdz_> | yeah, why that instead of passing in the size itself? |
| 18:13 | <Chutt> | i dunno |
| 18:13 | <Chutt> | it works that way |
| 18:14 | <mdz_> | a global context is looking more and more enticing |
| 18:14 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 18:16 | <mdz_> | seems harmless enough |
| 18:23 | <Chutt> | well, for now, i'm just going to add a single parameter to the config |
| 18:23 | <Chutt> | err, configWidget functions |
| 18:23 | <Chutt> | i only need one scale direction |
| 18:25 | <mdz_> | feel free |
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| 18:48 | <Chutt> | this beast takes too long to recompile |
| 18:50 | <_shad> | Try on my machine :) |
| 18:51 | <Chutt> | back when i was working on freeamp, it'd take an hour or so to compile |
| 18:51 | <Chutt> | which was great, since it meant i took lots of breaks during the day |
| 18:51 | <Chutt> | "oops, gotta recompile it, let's see, time to play some games" |
| 19:00 | <Chutt> | there, the recording dialog scales to 640x480 now |
| 19:05 | <_shad> | hehe |
| 19:05 | <_shad> | I don't have time to play games :( SimCity 4 looks nice though |
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| 19:25 | <m0tion> | how do you play games if you're developing in linux? |
| 19:26 | <vektor> | play ports of games from 8 years ago |
| 19:26 | <vektor> | duh |
| 19:27 | <m0tion> | oh |
| 19:28 | <m0tion> | i was thinking 2 pcs |
| 19:36 | <[M-M]> | I must be doing something wrong... when I choose "settings" in mythfrontend (cvs version) I don't get anything... any idea what I'm doing wrong? |
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| 21:00 | <optixpay> | Chutt |
| 21:00 | <optixpay> | the guy who wrote that essay is interested in working on mythtv =) |
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| 21:13 | <optixpay> | the commercial detection stuff in particular |
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| 21:21 | <mdz> | myth takes extra long to compile now with g++-3.2 |
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| 22:24 | <mdz> | Chutt: setting the channels to 9 for the alternate EPG gives a nice reproducible segfault for me |
| 22:24 | <mdz> | I'm not running a debug build right now, though |
| 22:41 | <moegreen> | mdz: GuideGrid::fillChannelInfos (this=0xbfffe764, maxchannel=@0xbfffe720) at guidegrid.cpp:549 |
| 22:44 | <moegreen> | mdz: it's due to #define MAX_DISPLAY_CHANS 8 in guidegrid.h, I must have entered the wrong max in the setup |
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| 22:44 | <mdz> | moegreen: fair enough |
| 22:45 | <moegreen> | I'll fix that now |
| 22:46 | <mdz> | thanks |
| 23:07 | <Chutt> | mdz, doesn't setup set the default theme? |
| 23:08 | <Chutt> | and does whatever email reader you use display the message from 'michael cook' properly? |
| 23:09 | <mdz> | yes, it does set the default theme |
| 23:09 | <mdz> | at least, the code is supposed to, and it seems to have done so for everyone except that guy |
| 23:09 | <Chutt> | well, i haven't run from a clean database in awhile |
| 23:09 | <_shad> | [ Part 2, Application/MS-TNEF 2.5KB. ] |
| 23:10 | <_shad> | is from michael cook's mail |
| 23:10 | <_shad> | IPM.Microsoft Mail.Note |
| 23:10 | <_shad> | C:\Documents and Settings\Michael Cook\Local Settings\Application Data\Microsoft\Outlook\Outlook.pst |
| 23:10 | <_shad> | hehe |
| 23:10 | <Chutt> | no, there's a plain text part as well |
| 23:10 | <_shad> | ya |
| 23:10 | <_shad> | I see that fine |
| 23:11 | <Chutt> | which kmail doesn't display for some reason |
| 23:11 | <_shad> | hrm |
| 23:11 | <_shad> | you have html crap disabled? |
| 23:11 | <Chutt> | well, it does if i use the mime browser and select just that part |
| 23:11 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 23:11 | <_shad> | hmm |
| 23:11 | <Chutt> | oh well |
| 23:11 | <Chutt> | it _is_ a cvs version of kmail =) |
| 23:12 | <_shad> | :) |
| 23:12 | <_shad> | Parts/Attachments: |
| 23:12 | <_shad> | 1 Shown 9 lines Text |
| 23:12 | <_shad> | 2 1.9 KB Application |
| 23:12 | <_shad> | 3 Shown 4 lines Text |
| 23:12 | <_shad> | which is very weird. |
| 23:13 | <mdz> | Chutt: if you delete that row from the settings table and start the frontend, it should recreate it |
| 23:13 | <mdz> | my frontend is in use right now so I can't try it at the moment |
| 23:14 | <mdz> | I use mutt, and I don't remember seeing anything wrong, but I don't remember 'michael cook's message either |
| 23:14 | <Chutt> | it was recent, asking about the frontend/backend split |
| 23:14 | <mdz> | the one where the guy obviously hadn't read a single message on the mailing list or glanced at the CVS tree? |
| 23:14 | <mdz> | yeah, saw that fine |
| 23:14 | <Chutt> | must be just a strange kmail bug |
| 23:15 | <_shad> | hehe |
| 23:20 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 23:20 | <Chutt> | if there's no themes in the themes directory |
| 23:20 | <Chutt> | it exits with that error |
| 23:21 | <Chutt> | i need to rewrite that theme selector =) |
| 23:22 | <Chutt> | and remove that dead pair of source files |
| 23:22 | <moegreen> | Chutt: I changed some of the colors for the alt. epg (and therefore the program finder) for the liquid theme, since they were as ugly as I could make them before |
| 23:22 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 23:22 | <Chutt> | cool |
| 23:26 | <Chutt> | yeah, it looks nice |
| 23:26 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 23:26 | <Chutt> | the As in the program finder aren't just the As =) |
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| 23:27 | <Chutt> | it has the programs that start with an inverted ! from the spanish channel here in there as well |
| 23:27 | <mdz> | I happened to see a program guide for a Time Warner cable system recently |
| 23:27 | <moegreen> | hmmm...that would present a problem |
| 23:27 | <mdz> | and it looked awfully familiar :-) |
| 23:28 | <moegreen> | heh, I'm not surprised |
| 23:28 | <Chutt> | i kinda think that the 'the' sort shouldn't exist |
| 23:28 | <moegreen> | mdz: are you talking about the finding function or just the guide? |
| 23:28 | <mdz> | just the guide |
| 23:28 | <Chutt> | or it should reorder the 'The' to the end of the program |
| 23:28 | <mdz> | I haven't really done anything with the finder jet |
| 23:29 | <mdz> | yet |
| 23:29 | <Chutt> | but i imagine that that would be.. difficult to do easily |
| 23:29 | <moegreen> | Chutt: yeah, someone emailed me about sorting by the second word when it starts with A, An, The, etc |
| 23:29 | <Chutt> | like, 'The X-Files' |
| 23:29 | <Chutt> | wouldn'tve thought to look for that there |
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| 23:30 | <Chutt> | but, i really like the interface |
| 23:30 | <Chutt> | nice work on it =) |
| 23:30 | <moegreen> | thanks, any idea where it should fit into the front end? |
| 23:30 | <Chutt> | no idea still |
| 23:31 | <Chutt> | best i can think of is a keybinding in the epg |
| 23:31 | <Chutt> | but, it'd be nice to have a more obvious gui way to get to it |
| 23:32 | <moegreen> | I thought about that - hitting '2' would bring you to that, and then hitting '1' when bring you back (or some variation of that). |
| 23:35 | <moegreen> | Chutt: when you get the chance could you update the MythWeather screenshots --> there is a typo in one of them and it makes me look like a jackass :) |
| 23:35 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 23:35 | <moegreen> | I've got updated versions on my website |
| 23:35 | <Chutt> | yeah, i'm sorry about that |
| 23:35 | <Chutt> | i meant to last week |
| 23:36 | <mdz> | just gave the program finder a spin, very cool stuff |
| 23:36 | <mdz> | Chutt: how about separate "browse program" and "find program" menu items at the top level of the frontend? |
| 23:37 | <Chutt> | 6 items is the max in the menu |
| 23:37 | <mdz> | well if delete and playback were merged...:-) |
| 23:37 | <Chutt> | bah |
| 23:37 | <mdz> | 7 is too many I agree |
| 23:38 | <optixpay> | mdz: you handle the alternate EPG? |
| 23:38 | <mdz> | optixpay: I believe that's moegreen |
| 23:39 | <optixpay> | hrm |
| 23:39 | * optixpay | prods moegreen |
| 23:39 | <moegreen> | yes |
| 23:39 | <optixpay> | moegreen what are your thoughts on having the channel number/name left aligned in the alternate EPG? |
| 23:39 | <mdz> | could create a submenu for the EPG |
| 23:40 | <Chutt> | slows down normal operation |
| 23:40 | <mdz> | er better, a submenu for recording |
| 23:40 | <mdz> | if the EPG is the default, it's just one extra button press |
| 23:40 | <optixpay> | moegreen: having them centered looks really bad, for me at least (a lot of long and short names/numbers mixed) |
| 23:40 | <Chutt> | right |
| 23:40 | <Chutt> | slows down normal operation |
| 23:40 | <Chutt> | ui bloat |
| 23:40 | <Chutt> | == bad |
| 23:40 | <mdz> | then make a key binding in the epg and be done with it |
| 23:40 | <Chutt> | but... |
| 23:40 | <Chutt> | =0 |
| 23:41 | <Chutt> | ah well |
| 23:41 | <Chutt> | i need to get to bed |
| 23:41 | <mdz> | good night |
| 23:42 | <Chutt> | my sleep schedule's all messed up |
| 23:42 | <moegreen> | Well...hmmm...I'll have to take a look at it and see. |
| 23:42 | <Chutt> | going to bed by midnight, waking up around 8 |
| 23:42 | <Chutt> | it's crazy |
| 23:43 | <optixpay> | Chutt: that guy i emailed you about, he's going to get ahold of you regarding commercial detection/skipping |
| 23:44 | <optixpay> | i sent him the list information just now, so i expect he'll be joining |
| 23:45 | <mdz> | I really can't think of anything else; it logically belongs with the EPG, but the EPG needs all of the keys currently |
| 23:45 | <mdz> | changing any of the existing bindings would cripple it I think |
| 23:46 | <moegreen> | mdz: Using any of the number keys will work. It would probably need a small note at the bottom or somewhere to inform the user though |
| 23:48 | <mdz> | moegreen: 4 of the number keys are used for pagewise and daywise davigation currently |
| 23:48 | <mdz> | I guess you could use '5' or something, not exactly intuitive though |
| 23:48 | <mdz> | though neither are the 1/7/9/3 bindings |
| 23:49 | <moegreen> | Yeah, I actually had set those up on a different set of buttons because I didn't see that in keys.txt |
| 23:52 | <moegreen> | Does 3 and 9 seem backwards to you? seems 3 should page up, not go down the list |
| 23:53 | <mdz> | yes |
| 23:53 | <mdz> | the way they are set up now is for a numeric keypad |
| 23:53 | <mdz> | and makes no sense for a remote |
| 23:53 | <mdz> | which uses the opposite layout |
| 23:53 | <moegreen> | oh right ... heh |
| 23:53 | <mdz> | I would like to change it actually |
| 23:53 | <mdz> | I had been meaning to bring it up on the list |
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