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12:57<OrangeSun>hey guys!
12:58<OrangeSun>has anyone reported problems with compiling the latest CVS?
12:59<hurdel>OrangeSun : not me, but mythfrontend segfaults when i access the setup options
13:00<Chutt>make distclean.
13:07<OrangeSun>chutt: thank you for responding so quickly to the 1-column thing!
13:09<Chutt>see my last commit, as well
13:10<OrangeSun>I actually wondered how we can track what's goign on with CVS.. on the commit mailing list?
13:10<OrangeSun>In other news, I installed the cvs yesterday, and MAN! Fixed almost every problem I had.
13:11<OrangeSun>OH! no space buttons.. thank you.. I want to cry! : )
13:12<moegreen>OrangeSun: Don't forget to add in colors for the alternative epg and program finder when you make your theme. They are in qtlook.txt (See for a description of the different options)
13:13<Chutt>there, mythweb should work again
13:13<OrangeSun>moegreen: i had been looking at that.. needless to say my first step will be the buttons.. then I can move on..
13:13<Chutt>got tired of waiting for lichen to commit stuff :)
13:14<OrangeSun>I just don't understand how one can be so prolific.. It takes me ages to accomplish a single thing.. Like that mythgame fix.. took me like a week : )
13:18<rkulagow>moegreen: saw your IM to me late last night. still no-go. when mythweather spawns, it's not selectable within KDE using ALT-TAB either. if i go to the Konsole window i use to start mythbackend and mythfrontend, i can see that the cursor movement keys are actually showing up in _that_ window. (meaning, i see [[^, etc)
13:19<rkulagow>if i hit ESC, mythweather exits, and mythfrontend then works again.
13:19<Chutt>does it work when run separately?
13:20<rkulagow>chutt: do you mean if i run it from the CLI?
13:21<rkulagow>note: mythweather works just fine if i haven't gone to the "Exit myth" screen (using my setup defined "ESC" key == exit key) and then change my mind and say "No, don't exit mythtv"
13:22<Chutt>ah, right
13:22<hurdel>anybody looking at adding security to mythweb so not just anybody can control your pvr over the web
13:22<moegreen>rkulagow: yeah, try and do that (exit and then decide not to) and then run it from the command line
13:22<Chutt>hurdel, any reason why the standard apache access controls couldn't be used?
13:24<rkulagow>mythweather runs fine from the cli if mythfrontend isn't running. let me try: run mythfrontend; exit, cancel exit, run mythweather from CLI in another window.
13:24<moegreen>yeah, that's what I meant
13:25<hurdel>Chutt : nope, just curious if some login scheme was getting setup, giving certain rights to certain people
13:25<Chutt>i don't work on mythweb at all
13:25<Chutt>so, i dunno =)
13:25<Chutt>i doubt it, though
13:26<hurdel>(doesn't help that i'm not familiar with apache access controls :)
13:26<Chutt>hurdel, just .htaccess and stuff work fine for basic password stuff
13:26<hurdel>Chutt : looks like myth tv haha
13:27<hurdel>i like the highlighting, might get annoying
13:27<Chutt>the popup box doesn't work properly in konq
13:27<moegreen>I got several javascript errors with ie
13:27<Chutt>silly people
13:28<hurdel>popup works in moz in winblows
13:29<OrangeSun>ok.. bb soon : )
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13:29<hurdel>man, myth kicks ass!!
13:29<Chutt>hurdel, it works in konq, but doesn't show up in the right place
13:29<hurdel>i've been using it about a month and i'm probably more excitied now than i was at first
13:29<hurdel>Chutt : time to upgrade to kde 3.1
13:30<Chutt>this is cvs kde :p
13:30<Chutt>from last week or so
13:30<hurdel>oh nice, how long to compile?
13:30<Chutt>debian packages
13:31<hurdel>hmm, packages for cvs, interesting
13:31<hurdel>i just installed deb and it is sucking hard, can't open konq/half the other apps, all fail silently
13:32<Chutt>that's because the version of kde in there is ancient
13:32<hurdel>think i'll move back to rh, that is what myth is on
13:32<hurdel>is a PII 400 going to be enough for frontend with mpeg4?
13:32<Chutt>maybe, i dunno
13:33<hurdel>hope so
13:35<optixpay>konqueror sucks =/
13:36<optixpay>i'll never understand KDE's neverending quest to create shoddy apps simply so they can give them a name starting with K
13:37<optixpay>KDE is great, shoddy apps aren't =P
13:37<Chutt>konqueror's great
13:37<Chutt>fast and lightweight
13:37<optixpay>Chutt: i gave up on it because it couldn't properly render pages on ebay, my banks website, and quite a few other pages
13:38<rkulagow>moegreen: start mythfrontend. hit ESC. _screen flashes_, i can see Konsole for a split second, then mythfrontend exit dialog comes up. move cursor up and down; but then select "No". mythfrontend comes up again. try to go to mythweather. doesn't work (mythweather doesn't come to front, although it's running in ps aux).
13:38<hurdel>new ver of konq integrates a php editing environment with cvs, pretty sweet
13:39<optixpay>maybe konq will get better, we'll see
13:39<optixpay>the other problem was that it absolutely _blows chunks_ when rendering images
13:39<rkulagow>no idea why i can see Konsole flash on screen for a split second when entering the mythfrontend exit dialog...
13:39<moegreen>rkulagow: Mine does that as well
13:39<Chutt>because it's a separate window
13:40<rkulagow>is there some way to influence which window is on top in Qt? could it be that mythweather is somehow painting behind everything?
13:40<Chutt>not really
13:41<Chutt>if you can't switch to it in the toolbar
13:41<rkulagow>but why only mythweather, and only after changing my mind on the exit dialog?
13:41<optixpay>rkulagow: following those steps mythweather works fine
13:41<optixpay>popped right up
13:41<rkulagow>chutt: can't switch to it in toolbar; the window name is there in ALT-TAB, but it doesn't come to the front.
13:41<optixpay>of course, i hard coded the IP for msnbc into my copy of the CVS
13:42<rkulagow>if no one else is having problems, then i'll just chalk it up to a local issue.
13:42<optixpay>rkulagow: are you sure it's not stuck trying to resolve
13:42<rkulagow>optixpay: don't think so. got a cable modem, and it seems to work fine if i haven't tried to exit and then change my mind.
13:44<moegreen>It should come up right away and show the 'waiting screen' even if it gets slowed up by a dns resolution
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13:54<mdz_>rkulagow: your whole mythweather problem stinks of focus problems, and nothing else
13:54<mdz_>it's coming up behind the frontend window, right?
13:54<Chutt>mdz, not if he can't switch to it manually
13:54<mdz_>but is there a window?
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14:05<OrangeSun>hey guys!
14:06<OrangeSun>I'm seemingly unable to get this thing lined up into one column.. is there any documentation about the values within the theme.xml ?
14:06<Chutt>just don't give it enough space to make two columns
14:07<OrangeSun>oh! I think I spotted my mistake.. it judges columns by button_on size.
14:07<OrangeSun>woohoo! perfect.
14:15<rkulagow>if i alt-tab, i can see that there are three windows: konsole, mythfrontend and mythweather. if i switch to mythweather, nothing happens, meaning it doesn't come to the front and paint the screen. alt-tabbing to konsole also doesn't do anything. (it has "invisible" focus and doesn't come to the front.) if mythweather is running (ps aux) and i alt tab to mythfrontend, mythfrontend doesn't do anything. the only way out is to alt tab
14:15<Chutt>what if you minimize mythfrontend?
14:16<rkulagow>it's running fullscreen now; no UI minimize functions show up. how do you mean "minimize"?
14:17<rkulagow>do you mean "f"?
14:21<Chutt>clicking on it in the task bar of kde or whatnot
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14:22<TheAsp>Uhh... what table holds the list of shows already recorded?
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14:23<Chutt>and oldrecorded
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14:24<rkulagow>hrmm. start mythfrontend. ALT TAB to Konsole. Works. ALT TAB back to mythfrontend. Do the ESC thing. "No", back to mythfrontend. ALT TAB to Konsole. Nothing happens - mythfrontend is still painted on the screen. move cursor keys. nothing happens. ALT TAB back to mythfrontend. move keys. Highlight moves around. ESC->Yes. Look at Konsole. All sorts of ASCII terminal ^[[ sequences.
14:25<mdz_>rkulagow: meaning focus was in the konsole window even though mythfrontend was on top
14:26<TheAsp>sounds like a wm issue :P
14:27<rkulagow>that's what it looks like. kde look and feel is "click to focus", but apparently not once i try to hit ESC and then go back. hrmm.
14:29<OrangeSun>Chutt: OK.. The theme is coming along well, however I have a problem.. when there are < 6 icons, I would like them to build from center, instead of evenly spacing from the top..
14:29<OrangeSun>it would save me some trouble in the look and feel that I wish for, too..
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14:31<bigguy>lo Chutt
14:32<bigguy>that nv7-133r doesn't like some pci cards. my modem for instance in windows it works fine in linux in my other boxes it works but not in the abit :(
14:33<bigguy>yeah I tried with and without acpi
14:34<bigguy>the info on the board still changed with every boot even when setting it to manual in the bios
14:34<bigguy>and only once did I get it to even try to dial
14:34<bigguy>but it works on my via and ali magic and intel boards
14:35<Chutt>orangesun, done.
14:35<bigguy>course it could be something like the sb live /via problem
14:35<OrangeSun>chutt: You are the man! : )
14:35<Chutt>minor stuff like that's easy
14:36<bigguy>but I would think if it works in windows on that machine it'd load fine in linux
14:36<Chutt>it'll happen only when using the non-spread buttons, of course
14:36<Chutt>did you figure out how to turn that on?
14:36<OrangeSun>turn what on?
14:37<OrangeSun>the non-spread 1-column?
14:37<Chutt>well, making buttons have no spaces between them
14:37<OrangeSun>well, "turn it on"? I just made the button area = to 6 buttons.
14:37<OrangeSun>and that did it.
14:37<Chutt>in your theme.xml
14:38<Chutt>in the <background> section
14:38<Chutt>like, right after the buttonarea stuff
14:39<OrangeSun>excellent : )
14:39<OrangeSun>another question.. is it possible for me to just randomly assign images in menus? I want, for example, to put "TV Menu" at the top of the tv menu, etc.
14:40<Chutt>not yet, no
14:43<Chutt>i'll be adding that sometime, though
14:43<OrangeSun>no prob.. I was looking to see if I could add it in, but I can't quite get it.. I think I'm just going to "clone" the logo thingi.
14:56<Chutt>if you send me your current theme
14:56<Chutt>with images and stuff for the per-menu image
14:56<Chutt>it'll be easier for me to add that
14:59<OrangeSun>I can send you everything I have so far, but it's not terribly "solid" yet : )
15:00<OrangeSun>chutt: all the individual files are at
15:01<OrangeSun>the .psd is the "mock up".. it's what I'm working out of..
15:02<Chutt>do you have images for like the 'TV Menu' stuff?
15:03<OrangeSun>working on it now..
15:04<SoopaBookaT>are any of you guys using KDE3.1 and know how to set up a samba share on a linux box?
15:04<optixpay>you need to add a sig handler so i can kill -SIGUSR1 mythbackend and reset it to 'none' instead of 'watchinglivetv' or whatnot
15:05<optixpay>or maybe i need to add it
15:05<SoopaBookaT>that is damn sweet
15:05<SoopaBookaT>dunno about the believe it part
15:05<SoopaBookaT>but the rest is cool
15:06<optixpay>SoopaBookaT: it'll probably suck on a TV screen though =/
15:06<SoopaBookaT>heheh.. kinda like MS media center
15:07<OrangeSun>Chutt: your call, since it's branding.. what do you say?
15:07<Chutt>it's your theme
15:09<OrangeSun>well, at the moment it is easier to leave, so we shall : ) but I'm not attached to it..
15:12<jrh> its for a xbox project that will probably never get off the ground, but I sure like that theme (while we talking about themes)
15:13<rkulagow>not sure that this matters (it probably doesn't), but in trying to track down why i'm losing focus when doing the ESC thing, xwininfo is saying:
15:13<rkulagow>xwininfo: Window id: 0x24000a3 "mythweather"
15:13<rkulagow> Absolute upper-left X: 0
15:13<rkulagow> Absolute upper-left Y: 0
15:13<rkulagow> Relative upper-left X: 0
15:13<rkulagow> Relative upper-left Y: 0
15:14<rkulagow> Width: 642
15:14<rkulagow> Height: 480
15:14<rkulagow> Depth: 24
15:14<rkulagow>width of 642? X res is set to 640x480
15:14<bigguy>I dunno about myth themeing but is the Orange bg on some of the buttons shown in when the theme is active or are they set as an alpha color in the theme.xml?
15:15<OrangeSun>wow! that is certainly very nice.. that dreamix theme..
15:16<Chutt>bigguy, which theme?
15:16<bigguy>bigguy: OrangeSun's
15:16<Chutt>oh, i dunno =)
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15:18<bigguy>oh wait
15:18<bigguy>damn browser
15:18<bigguy>its not orange
15:19<TheAsp>anyone got a working config for a ti4200's tvout?
15:23<TheAsp>nifty! i got something to appear on my screen
15:23<TheAsp>my other rfmodulator must be broken
15:23<TheAsp>this nintendo one only works with a nintendo aparently
15:24<rkulagow>chutt: any idea about the width being 642 on mythweather according to xwininfo?
15:24<Chutt>window border, or something
15:24<Chutt>i dunno
15:24<optixpay>TheAsp: heh.
15:25<bigguy>love the fact that gimp loads psd files
15:25<OrangeSun>ok guys..
15:25<rkulagow>weird. you'd think if there were a 1 pixel border, it would be 642x482.
15:25<TheAsp>ok, how can these things cost $30?
15:26<moegreen>rkulagow: one of the frames may be one or two pixels to big, which would make the windows a little bigger
15:26<OrangeSun>could y'all take a look at ? this is the "applied" theme.. clearly there are some blending issues, but I'll work on those later (if they can be worked out).
15:27<OrangeSun>also, what think the people of the moving active ball?
15:27<rkulagow>do you mean the orange gumball?
15:27<TheAsp>that looks sweet.
15:27<OrangeSun>rkulagow: yes
15:28<rkulagow>i like it, since it's unambiguous where the current cursor position is.
15:28<TheAsp>im sure it would look sweet on my tv too
15:28<OrangeSun>props to you bigguy for suggesting the orange : )
15:28<OrangeSun>TheAsp: hahaha! ; )
15:28<OrangeSun>Ok, gonna go check it out on my main system for any unexpected anomolies.
15:29<jrh>wow, looking nice Orange
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15:31<OrangeSun>DANG! It looks *way* better when I'm not VNCing!
15:32<SoopaBookaT>OrangeSun, why did you remove the image over the menu (in the upper left)?
15:33<Chutt>because it can't do that yet
15:33<rkulagow>hrmm: i just saw on the mailing list, thread "new problem when using remote", that some people are having the same issue where under KDE, focus is getting lost somehow when using the ESC key.
15:33<SoopaBookaT>oh, the myth menuing system cannot do that?
15:34<Chutt>it can't display a static image per menu yet, no
15:34<Chutt>focus is fine in kde for me
15:34<Chutt>unless i don't use click-to-focus, then it's not
15:35<mdz_>rkulagow: why use kde?
15:35<TheAsp>can't you set kde's wm to only do click to focus for certin windows?
15:35<rkulagow>i hadn't run into any issues with kde before this, but if this is in fact the problem, then i'm not emotionally attached to it.
15:36<mdz_>try it with just a simple window manager and it will likely work
15:36<Chutt>mdz, new theme selector in cvs =)
15:36<mdz_>Chutt: a stacking one like you talked about?
15:36<Chutt>just a combo box with a label attached
15:37<Chutt>and it now changes the theme when you exit
15:37<Chutt>though if you change the display size it gets all confused
15:37<mdz_>I bet-
15:38<Chutt>but it handles theme changes fine
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15:40<Chutt>and i finally got rid of those unused themesetup files
15:40<Chutt>anyway =)
15:41<mdz_>I got that libavcodec free() crash again yesterday
15:41<mdz_>I was hoping your libavcodec update would fix it
15:42<mdz_>looks like you've done another one since then though
15:42<OrangeSun>as an aside, how is mythprogfind called?
15:43<moegreen>OrangeSun: that's still being decided
15:43<mdz_>it isn't, is it?
15:43<moegreen>OrangeSun: You can run it from the command line for now
15:43<OrangeSun>and as a final question, any easy way to take screen shots?
15:43<OrangeSun>moegreen: that's what I do.
15:43<OrangeSun>might I say, the UI idea is AMAZING!
15:43<rkulagow>i wish i knew why other modules (gallery, image, mythtv) work after not doing the ESC thing, and mythweather doesn't. oh, well, i'll try something other than kde.
15:43<OrangeSun>It is violently intuitive.
15:44<OrangeSun>rkulagow: obviously it's not a 100% kde thing.. I run KDE, and no problems at all..
15:44<OrangeSun>what version kde are you running?
15:44<moegreen>rkulagow: it is even more strange because I started out with part of the mythmusic main routine code :)
15:45<OrangeSun>as an aside, who's developing mythvideo? kudos on the tree thing..
15:45<OrangeSun>Chutt: is there any facility for theme-based tvmenu.xml, etc?
15:45<moegreen>rkulagow: Try changing the <action>EXEC mythweather</action> to <action>EXEC mythprogfind</action> and see if the program finder causes the same problem
15:46<moegreen>in mainmenu.xml
15:46<rkulagow>yep, hold on.
15:50<bigguy>OrangeSun: you know you could make several color variations of this theme
15:50<OrangeSun>bigguy: I do realize..
15:50<OrangeSun>bigguy: but I'm quite fond of this one, so I'm going to release all the .psd files and leave it at that..
15:51<OrangeSun>it looks good on my tv, so i'm pleased..
15:52<OrangeSun>TheAsp: yeah.. sorry : )
15:52<TheAsp>turns out my amiga rf modulator wasnt at all..../
15:52<optixpay>those dreamix people are paranoid
15:52<OrangeSun>an rf modulator?
15:52<OrangeSun>optixpay: why?
15:52<OrangeSun>that dreamix thing rocks, yo!
15:52<optixpay>they claim it'll be GPL
15:52<TheAsp>OrangeSun: converts composite to UHF/VHF
15:52<optixpay>OrangeSun the supposed screenshots have a nice theme
15:53<OrangeSun>optixpay: yeah, i know!
15:53<optixpay>OrangeSun: but they're being very secret about the whole thing
15:53<optixpay>which is odd for something being freely hosted by sourceforge, under a GPL license
15:53<optixpay>they claim they're "not starting from scratch"
15:53<Chutt>i think the tv overlay "screenshot" is funny
15:53<optixpay>so they're either using mythtv or freevo
15:54<optixpay>Chutt: note that there's no item selected in the menu screenshot =p
15:54* optixpaysuspects photoshop
15:54<OrangeSun>Chutt: i was thinking the same thing..
15:54<rkulagow>moegreen: changed it. here's what happens with mythprogfind. Select "Weather" (still has the old icon). mythprogfind comes up. shows good data from the database. hit ESC. mythprogfind closes, and then i get a white screen (the background color for the liquid(?) theme) for ~10 seconds before the mythfrontend icons get painted onto the background. at this point, i haven't even tried to do the ESC from mythfrontend thing that we've
15:55<TheAsp>can freevo do anything yet?
15:55<optixpay>they claim to be using an "ethernet based tv device" but won't give any further information
15:55<optixpay>TheAsp: no PVR functionality
15:56<Chutt>well, if they're using an ethernet based tv tuner, they're definately not getting that image from it
15:56<optixpay>i haven't even seen any ethernet based TV tuners
15:56<OrangeSun>you guys are too harsh.. so it's an artist's rendition of what their product will be like : )
15:56<Chutt>heh, i meant 'usb' there
15:57<moegreen>rkulagow: I've seen the waiting after it closes
15:57<rkulagow>moegreen: ok, so that's at least not specific to my box. ok, let me try the other thing now...
15:58<moegreen>I'm not sure what it is from, it may be from the cleanup routine when it exits
15:59<rkulagow>huh: hit ESC from mythfrontend. said "no, don't exit". go to mythprogfind (aka "Weather" icon). works - comes up. let me change mainmenu.xml back to mythweather and see what happens.
15:59<optixpay>i wonder how much effort would be required to get MythTV working on an xbox
15:59<moegreen>rkulagow: they are implemented slightly differently...
16:01<optixpay>[root@tranq myth]# strings /tmp/dreamixoverlay.jpg |more
16:01<optixpay>Photoshop 3.0
16:01<rkulagow>moegreen: changed mainmenu.xml back to mythweather. doesn't work. so, what's the difference between how mythweather and mythprogfind + the other myth modules work that would cause these focus issues?
16:01<rkulagow>(not putting you on the spot; just thinking aloud)
16:02<TheAsp>which fixes for mythweb were peter's
16:02<Chutt>the complete files
16:02<Chutt>his second set looked ok
16:03<Chutt>so, in it went
16:03<TheAsp>thats what ive been using
16:03<Chutt>notice anything wrong with em?
16:03<TheAsp>doesn't show the R on the movie listing
16:03<moegreen>rkulagow: i've got to go right now, but I may have found the problem, be back in an hour or two
16:04<rkulagow>ok, thanks.
16:04<TheAsp>cvs server borked?
16:04<Chutt>shouldn't be
16:04<Chutt>just slow at the moment
16:04<Chutt>i'm transferring a bunch of data to the office
16:04<mdz_>"For a very long time, I had been developing software called VWare, 2 years ago the project was going well but found myself losing interest"
16:05<TheAsp>ill hold off
16:05<Chutt>it's going to be a day or so until it's done transferring :p
16:05<optixpay>"Through our special custom hardware design unit we are making. Check out It tells you that its required. We wont be releasing specs on the hardware unit just yet."
16:06<TheAsp>oh :P
16:06<optixpay>it's vaporware.
16:06<bigguy>Chutt: dayum how big is/are the file(s)
16:06<mdz_> CVS Repository ( 0 commits, 0 adds )
16:07<optixpay>mdz_: yeah, they're basicly using SF for their closed source vaporware
16:07<mdz_>free web hosting
16:07<Chutt>i use sf for free web hosting
16:07<Chutt>bigguy, big =)
16:07<mdz_>Chutt: you also release free software
16:07<Chutt>yeah, but all i use sf for is screenshot storage
16:07<optixpay>there's no way anyone is going to pay for a special little box they're making to use the xbox as a PVR
16:08<mdz_> " provides free hosting to Open Source software development projects."
16:08<Chutt>why, isn't the 8GB disk large enough? =)
16:08<optixpay>Chutt: they claim to be making their own custom ethernet based TV device
16:09<optixpay>so basicly you're talking about buying an xbox, modding it, buying this software and hardware device
16:10<optixpay>and going through the hassle of making it work right even if they do actually make the software
16:10<optixpay>i wonder if they could possibly narrow the target market any more.
16:14<optixpay>anyone familiar with linux on an xbox?
16:18<optixpay>ho hum.
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16:31<OrangeSun>chutt: the latest cvs isnt' compiling..
16:31<OrangeSun>main.cpp: In function `void themesSettings(MythContext*)':
16:31<OrangeSun>main.cpp:108: `ThemeSetup' undeclared (first use this function)
16:32<OrangeSun>updating this moment to see if anything has changed..
16:32<OrangeSun>still no go
16:32<Chutt>try now.
16:33<TheAsp>still havent been able to do an update :)
16:33<TheAsp>there we go
16:33<TheAsp>that only took 20 mins
16:33<OrangeSun>giddy up.
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18:23<Kuwanger>Hello. Long time no see.
18:23<Kuwanger>Would here be a good place for generic v4l help, or is there a better place?
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18:27<Kuwanger>Well, this probably isn't good..
18:28<Kuwanger>dmesg is giving me a slew of kernel oop messages..
18:33<vektor>You're having v4l problems?
18:33<vektor>You could ask on #livid and I can try to answer there ;)
18:33<vektor>I wouldn't mind having #livid be the v4l help place, but, I dunno how we want to do this.
18:34<vektor>Arguably, here is as good as there, but..
18:37<Kuwanger>Well, I'm assuming this is related to my newly added memory.
18:43<Kuwanger>After I make sure that the memory isn't bad with memtest86, I'll look into if this is a bug with bttv or maybe nvidia. :/
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20:17<moegreen>Chutt/mdz: Is the 'Settings' class being phased out? How else can I get the colors out of qtlook.txt (aside from just reading the file manually)?
20:18<Chutt>use the settings class
20:18<Chutt>it's not being phased out for that sort of stuff
20:18<Chutt>it should be loaded already, you should just be able to use the context access methods to get to it
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20:20<moegreen>Chutt: this is for MythWeater, I must have something declared incorrectly because when I try to use it i get: weather.cpp:51: invalid use of undefined type `class Settings'
20:21<moegreen>Which I have setup in weather.h as class Settings;
20:21<Chutt>ah, oops
20:21<Chutt>i need to make it install oldsettings.h
20:22<Chutt>and you should just then include that as well
20:22<moegreen>ok, so for now I can just copy that to my local/include dir
20:22<Chutt>my next commit will have that being installed
20:23<moegreen>(hence the phase out, OLDsettings.h) :)
20:24<Chutt>well, i don't plan on phasing it out, really
20:24<Chutt>since it's nice for stuff like qtlook
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20:29<Kuwanger>Okay, went through a full pass with memtest86 and it gives me nothing as far as errors.
20:30<Kuwanger>Though dmesg isn't bombing badly this time..
20:32<vektor>What card do you have?
20:32<Kuwanger>bttv0: detected: AVerMedia TVCapture 98 [card=13], PCI subsystem ID is 1461:0004
20:32<Kuwanger>bttv0: using: BT878(AVerMedia TVCapture 98) [card=13,autodetected]
20:50<OrangeSun>Chutt: also, has the problem with the setup module been reported? selecting "appearance" (but seemingly not the others) causes a segfault
20:51<Chutt>you need to do a make distclean
20:51<OrangeSun>Chutt: did..
20:51<Chutt>doubt it
20:51<OrangeSun>hehehe : )
20:52<OrangeSun>before doing the distclean, it wouldn't even compile. After, it would compile, but failed in the appearance part.. I'll redo it again and see what happens..
20:53<Chutt>otherwise, run it in gdb
20:53<OrangeSun>will do.
20:53<OrangeSun>does mythfrontend have to be not running when I make distclean?
20:54<OrangeSun>can't see how it should..
20:54<OrangeSun>alright.. must go jog.. bb shortly : )
20:56<OrangeSun>Chutt: what's the best way to distribute the theme? just as a .tar.gz off of my website?
20:56<Chutt>or ask nathan to distribute it from his website
20:57<OrangeSun>OK. Think I might.. I am in for some imminent downtime while I change providers..
20:58<moegreen>OrangeSun: Can we expect this new theme anytime soon?
20:58<OrangeSun>moegreen: ehem.
20:59<OrangeSun>I just sent an email out to the list..
20:59<moegreen>Oh, well aren't I just behind the times :)
20:59<OrangeSun>the tvmenu-X.png files are screenshots.
20:59<Chutt>orangesun, i've got support for per-menu titles in my working tree, now
20:59<Chutt>which'll soon be in cvs
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21:00<OrangeSun>no no.. i sent it between your question and my response..
21:00<OrangeSun>only the alternative EPG colours aren't set.
21:00<OrangeSun>moegreen: and the PSD files are there for anybody who wishes to modify them..
21:00<OrangeSun>Chutt: so exciting!! : )
21:01<moegreen>Well geez - no alternative epg colors? It's going to be all black! heh.
21:01<OrangeSun>hehe. well, I started with the "blue" theme, so it'll have those.
21:02* Kuwangerfrowns.
21:03<OrangeSun>Anyway, let me know what you guys think..
21:03<Kuwanger>Well, whenever I figure out what I want to do now..
21:04<OrangeSun>moegreen: just careful. This theme is kind of destructive.. So save your mainmenu.xml and tvmenu.xml and replace them with the .mod files
21:05<Chutt>err, you replaced those files?
21:05<Kuwanger>Anyone here have 1GB of memory?
21:05<OrangeSun>well, yes.. the .tar.gz doesn't replace them.. only offers the .mod files (mainmenu.xml and tvmenu.xml)
21:06<Chutt>they're meant to be totally generic
21:07<OrangeSun>well, the old ones use two-line items.. like "fix scheduling conflicts" and such.. however, fitting that into the single-line while maintaining the large fonts would have been very difficult, so i instead opted to shorten some of them (i.e., "fix conflicts")
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21:26<moegreen>Chutt: I've updated the MythWeather screenshots on my webpage - hint, hint :P
21:28<Chutt>ok ok
21:28<Chutt>i'm updating them now
21:31<OrangeSun>Chutt: you were right.. a make dist clean fixed it this time..
21:32<OrangeSun>Chutt: how does the "appearance" part of the setup program decide which themes to display?
21:34<Chutt>if they're in the themes directory and have a preview.jpg file in them
21:34<Chutt>the preview picture should be the same size as the other preview pictures
21:35<Chutt>moegreen, happy? =)
21:35<OrangeSun>okie dokie.
21:35<moegreen>how about the program finder? hahaha - just kidding :)
21:35<PeteCool>moegreen: looks great :)
21:37<m0tion>yea, that program finder seems really cool
21:38<PeteCool>the new theme's (Sasquatch) screenshots look good too
21:38<m0tion>PeteCool: where are those/
21:39<PeteCool>m0tion: Readme (a must read!!!):
21:40<PeteCool>Chutt: did you merge the stuff that theme needed?
21:41<m0tion>PeteCool: what page are those linked from?
21:41<Chutt>and the stuff nathan's theme needed as well
21:41<PeteCool>Chutt: so I don't need his .xml files?
21:41<Chutt>though i'm not quite done with it
21:41<PeteCool>m0tion: mailing-list message
21:42<Kuwanger>Well, opengl works.. dmesg isn't spitting out weird garbage anymore (that might have been from me rmmod nvidia; insmod nvidia). And the only thing left is to figure out why I can't allocate memory for v4l. :/
21:43<PeteCool>that's nice too, is it in usable form yet?
21:43<Chutt>it works
21:43<Chutt>but i'm the only one that has it :p
21:43<Kuwanger>can't open /dev/v4l/video0: Cannot allocate memory
21:43<Kuwanger>bttv: vmalloc_32(68157440) failed
21:43<Kuwanger>The first from motv, the latter in dmesg.
21:43<vektor>Kuwanger: So, you have a driver bug?
21:43<Kuwanger>Three of the latter, actually.
21:44<vektor>Post to video4linux-list I guess.
21:45<OrangeSun>PeteCool: the XML file file isn't an issue of Chutt needing to merge.. the XML file with SQ just has a few differences like "Schedule recording" instead of "Schedule a recording" and such..
21:46<OrangeSun>however, the theme should be OK even without it..
21:47<Kuwanger>vektor: Possibly a stupid question, but is there a publically accessible listing of the archives of the video4linux-list that you know of?
21:52<vektor>there used to be.
21:52<vektor>dunno if they're still there.
21:52<PeteCool>I have a question for you guys that successfully disabled apm/dpms: what X version are you using?
21:52<Kuwanger>I googled and got to a place requesting I log in.
21:53<Kuwanger>Guess I'll have to join.
21:55<PeteCool>Chutt: will nathan's theme be available soon?
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21:55<Chutt>that's up to him
22:00<Kuwanger>vektor: The good news is I found at least some mention of the same problem I'm having.
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22:07<Chutt>mdz, yo
22:08<Chutt>check it out:
22:08<PeteCool>what's the MC/filters used for? I never seen references to that, anywhere
22:09<Chutt>the deinterlacer, mainly
22:10<vektor>woo woo
22:11<Kuwanger>Well, this archive is taking a long time to load.. :/
22:11<Kuwanger>You'd think ethernet would do compression too..
22:11<Kuwanger>But oh no..rely on servers to do it..blah..
22:36<mdz>my connection here was out all day
22:36<mdz>my machine sat here asking for an address with DHCP and the bastards wouldn't give it one
22:37<Chutt>not fun
22:37<mdz>I like that menu
22:37<Chutt>i just sent it back to nathan, so it should be up on his site soon
23:05<_shad>I just killed 3 486's :(
23:06<mdz>that might set you back $5
23:06<_shad>I don't have any left. heh
23:06<_shad>I was trying to get a combo hard drive/controller to boot
23:06<_shad>those were the only mobo's I have that had an 8 bit isa slot
23:06<_shad>it was from 1985. hehe
23:15<Kuwanger>Well, if I give up 44MB of memory, I can use my tv tuner..
23:19<mdz>44MB is not a lot
23:22<Kuwanger>Compared to 1024MB, yes.
23:22<Kuwanger>I'd rather know what the bug was, though.
23:22<Chutt>the driver probably doesn't handle highmem properly
23:23<Kuwanger>Yea, that'd be my guess.
23:23<Kuwanger>It'd be nice of the docs to mention it, though.
23:24<Chutt>err, i doubt the author ran into the problem.
23:24<Kuwanger>The bug appears to be in nvidia's driver.
23:37<Kuwanger>Yippy, and people then recommend to disable highmem. :/
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23:37<Chutt>unless you need processes to have more than 760MB of ram, there's really no point
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23:38<Chutt>unless something's changed, that's the limit for a single process when highmem's not turned on
23:39<Kuwanger>Thought it was 1GB.
23:39<Chutt>lose some to kernel stuff
23:39<Chutt>it's been awhile since i played with a box with a gig of ram
23:44<Kuwanger>Well, great little hack..
23:45<Kuwanger>Btw, high memory is to enable access to greater than 960MB of real RAM.
23:45<Kuwanger>What a process can allocate is seperate.
23:45<Chutt>i know
23:45<Chutt>all our servers have 4 gigs of ram, and we do kernel tweaks to enable a 3.5/.5 gig split
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23:47<Kuwanger>Think that covers it.
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