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00:23<mdz>there's a patch for xmltv in the sourceforge archive
00:23<mdz>but it's completely mangled in the web interface, and I can find no way to get at the unmolested patch
00:25<mdz>it even takes the URLs inside of strings in the perl code in the patch and converts them into hyperlinks
00:25<mdz>if anyone on the xmltv list would like to send me a copy, that'd be great
00:28<moegreen>mdz: the code seems to show up here
00:30<mdz>show up how?
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00:35<mdz>is mythweb synched up with the database changes in CVS yet?
00:43<OrangeSun>mdz: supposedly, yes
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01:36<Viddy>anyone playing with the latest cvs?
01:44<Viddy>good grief, i appear to have stumbled on the idle channel from 'nam
01:46<bigguy>well depending on the time its like that here
01:46<bigguy>alot of US people here
01:46<bigguy>that sleep at night
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01:47<Kuwanger>Well, I'm stumped.
01:47<Viddy>it is 7pm here, and they are 15 odd hours behind us, so... that would make it
01:47<Viddy>ahh, i see
01:48<Viddy>Kuwanger: im going to dread asking this, but i'll do it anyway: what with?
01:48<bigguy>yeah I'm about to head to bed soon
01:48<bigguy>it's 1 am here
01:49<Viddy>its probably why theres a snot load of /. articles in the morning when i wake up, but stuff all through the day
01:49<Kuwanger>Viddy: I'm seeing "can't open /dev/v4l/video0: Cannot allocate memory" messages on starting motv.
01:50<Viddy>my first guess would be that you have run out of swap and physical memory avalible
01:50<Viddy>cat /proc/meminfo
01:51<Viddy>else type top, and see whats using the memory
01:52<Kuwanger> total: used: free: shared: buffers: cached:
01:52<Kuwanger>Mem: 925528064 230006784 695521280 0 14528512 108453888
01:52<Kuwanger>Swap: 542826496 0 542826496
01:53<bigguy>Kuwanger: what tv tuner card?
01:53<Kuwanger>AVerMedia TVCapture 98
01:53<bigguy>dunno about that one
01:54<Kuwanger>The card worked in my previous machine. Same motherboard. Same perpherials.
01:54<Kuwanger>The only things changed are more memory and a faster CPU.
01:54<Kuwanger>And I might have moved which slot it goes in.
01:54<bigguy>is /dev/v4l/video0 there and is it readable by your mythtv user?
01:54<Kuwanger>rw by me, yes
01:55<bigguy>does it work in xawtv or have you tried?
01:56<Kuwanger>Okay, now it works..
01:56<Kuwanger>Well, technically at least..
01:58<Kuwanger>Figured out the problem.
01:58<Kuwanger>bttv doesn't work with gbuffers=32, now
01:58<bigguy>and it was?
01:59<Kuwanger>Wonder if that was it.
02:00<Kuwanger>Sort of sucky if it was.
02:00<bigguy>no idea
02:00<bigguy>anyway I'm going idle
02:00<Kuwanger>I have the 64MB needed.. :)
02:00<bigguy>bed time for 26 year olds
02:00<Kuwanger>Apparently, though, not in the right place or something.
02:03<Kuwanger>Have any problems getting your guide listing for mythtv?
02:03<Viddy>me? yes.
02:03<Viddy>for nz, anywya
02:03<Kuwanger>Well, at least I'm not alone. Unfortunately, I don't have a back database for this day, so I can't use mythtv until zap2it starts working right again. :/
02:05<Viddy>heh, we only have 5 broadcast channels here, so its not that much of a problem, only the grabber is
02:06<Kuwanger>Hmm.. The weird thing is, I can go to the website fine.
02:12<Viddy>isnt the zap2it one slightly dodgy (goes up and down all the time)?
02:12<Kuwanger>Uh, never had problems with it when I didn't fiddle with something.
02:12<Kuwanger>Anyways, I don't know of any other grabber for na.
02:13<Viddy>are you running the latest cvs?
02:13<Kuwanger>Of xmltv?
02:13<Viddy>nah, mythtv, the MC module
02:14<Kuwanger>mc module?
02:14<Kuwanger>That would be..?
02:14<Viddy>the main mythtv module, with recording and pausing live tv
02:15<Viddy>when i go to watch tv, everything is fine till i touch a button, then it hangs
02:15<Kuwanger>I'm using some older version.
02:16<Kuwanger>Though I modified it to properly fullscreen for window managers that support layers.
02:16<Viddy>i think i might just be a little machocistic, as i like to play round with the bleeding edge stuff
02:16<Kuwanger>It's not pulling up listing for anything but tomorrow. :/
02:17<Kuwanger>And then it crashes..
02:17* Kuwangerkicks mythtv.
02:18<Kuwanger>It has the listings, so it shouldn't do that. :/
02:20<Kuwanger>This time, the keyboard just didn't seem to work.
02:20* Kuwangerwonders if mythtv is on crack..
02:23<Kuwanger>Oh, I also changed it to use a smaller scale of ringbuffer.
02:24<Viddy>i have 160G of space avalible, so its not that much of an issue for me ;)
02:24* Kuwangerhas 80G total.. So it was for me. :)
02:25<Kuwanger>That and I was using /tmp for it.
02:25<Kuwanger>aka tmpfs, aka half ram
02:25<Viddy>im doing mine over 100M network
02:25<Kuwanger>And I didn't have 2GB. :)
02:25<Viddy>it seems to be working
02:25<Kuwanger>So, I scaled it down to 2MB.
02:26* Kuwangerwonders why he's seeing a "forced unpause" for..
02:26<Viddy>i assume that is a retorical question ;)
02:27<Kuwanger>It would be if I had a clue why it was saying it.
02:27<Viddy>its because when the ringbuffer becomes x% full, an unpause is forced
02:27<Viddy>you can set the x
02:27<Kuwanger>Right. So, how the heck is that happening? :)
02:27<Kuwanger>I didn't pause it. :)
02:28<Viddy>erm... run 0.8?
02:28<Kuwanger>I guess.
02:28<Kuwanger>Seems like a poor substitute for actually having a clue what's wrong.
02:29<Viddy>yeah ;)
02:29<Kuwanger>So, what do I get?
02:30<Viddy>my suggestion would be to ask the mailing list, as they might have a better answer
02:30<Kuwanger>I thought you were using CVS.
02:31<Viddy>i am
02:31<Kuwanger>You know, I just had a crazy idea. Maybe I need to recompile mythtv?
02:31<Kuwanger>What'd you d/l?
02:31<Viddy>cvs -d login
02:31<Viddy>password: mythtv
02:31<Viddy>cvs -z3 -d checkout MC mythgallery mythgame mythmusic mythvideo mythweather mythweb
02:32<Kuwanger>Doesn't look like a tarball to me.. :)
02:32<Viddy>it aint
02:32<Viddy>issac got rid of that
02:32<Kuwanger>Oh. :(
02:32<Viddy>as it used too much b/w
02:32<Viddy>however, to update
02:32<Viddy>login, then
02:32<Viddy>cvs -z3 -d update MC mythgallery mythgame mythmusic mythvideo mythweather mythweb
02:32<Viddy>spot the difference?
02:33<Kuwanger>Yea, but I don't plan to update often if ever. :/
02:33* Kuwangerwonders where his cvs went.
02:33<Kuwanger>Must be on the dead hd..
02:34<Viddy>dead hdd
02:35<Kuwanger>Just have to emerge it.
02:35<Viddy>had one of those, now have this fascination with backing everything possible up
02:35<Viddy>dont know why
02:36<Kuwanger>Yea, mine just went out spontaneously while in use. :(
02:37<Kuwanger>The real pain is using CDs which aren't necessarily reliable.
02:37<Kuwanger>Just because they work now, doesn't mean they'll work by the time you've put them away carefully.. :/
02:39<Kuwanger>Makes me want to use DVDs. It'd seem like I'd be more inclined to make duplicates of 4GB chunks of data than every 650MB chunk.
02:39<Viddy>i have some hp gold cd's from a couple of years ago, and they still go strong
02:40<Viddy>expensive though
02:40<Kuwanger>Well, they might directly be more reliable, but they're indirectly just as vulnerable to scratch, light, etc.
02:42<Kuwanger>I think I just won't be happy until there's storage that is strong enough to basically last a lifetime while at the same easy enough to destroy if needed.
02:43<Viddy>there needs to be a type of disk that has a thicker coating on the back of the cd, where the label is, to protect it
02:43<Viddy>etch into carbon steel
02:44<Kuwanger>If they ever get layers working well, they should use it across the edge of the disk.. :)
02:44<rkulagow>moegreen, you here?
02:44<Kuwanger>Then you could well coat both sides and have the top layers of the rim left with something resistant to scratching.
02:53* Kuwangersmiles.
02:53<Kuwanger>What's with this -O6? :)
03:01<Kuwanger>Yea, it's using -O6 during the compile.
03:37<Kuwanger>Connection timeouts..
03:42<Kuwanger>This really isn't working out any better..
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07:21<optixpay>sorry about that.
07:30* Viddygrowls softly
07:31<Viddy>i have a cool little script i just whipped up for syncing a persons local cvs repository
07:37<Kuwanger>And none the wiser.
07:51<Viddy>its 0150 here
07:51<Viddy>i should go to bed
07:52<Viddy>do a distclean
07:52<Viddy>then make
07:52<Viddy>make install
07:52<Viddy>then copy the backups of the text files that contain your settings back into the /usr/local/share/mythtv/ dir
07:53<Viddy>i just wiped my whole database, and started again
07:53<Viddy>it seems to be working better now
07:54<Viddy>i'd like to have a 'friendly chat' to the person who made the mythmusic module....
07:54<Viddy>its sloooow!
07:54<Viddy>..when you have 4500 mp3s, anyway
07:58<Kuwanger>I did a make clean; make; make install.
07:58<Kuwanger>How do you clear out the database?
07:59<Viddy>go into mysql
07:59<Viddy>drop database database_name;
07:59<Viddy>database_name is mythconverg
08:01<Viddy>mysql < MC/database/mc.sql
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08:02<Kuwanger>Well, I forget my password now.. :)
08:02<Viddy>2,229 records of mp3's, and im up to 'M'
08:03<Kuwanger>Know how I can fully clean it?
08:04<Viddy>as in remove and install again?
08:04<Kuwanger>Or preferablly just remove some files..
08:05<Kuwanger>That way I can set a new password for mysql. :/
08:05<Viddy>are you sure that you have a password?
08:05<Kuwanger>I set a password during mysql's setup.
08:07<Viddy>not the root password perchance?
08:07<Kuwanger>Yea, root.
08:09<Viddy>that was the password?
08:10<Kuwanger>Yea, the mysql root password.
08:11<nevertheless>google for mysql and forgot password, youll find the mysql faq, there is written, how you fix that
08:13<Viddy>thats the guts of it in there
08:13<Viddy>but other than that, im not sure
08:16<Viddy>zap2it has changed
08:16<Viddy>err.. i think
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09:22<rkulagow>sick? weather?
09:22<rkulagow>job? SO? kids?
09:23<rkulagow>do you need the services of eliza-bot?
09:24<Chutt>waking up
09:25<rkulagow>that will do it. got 3" of snow here in chicago...
09:25<Chutt>we only had another inch last night
09:25<Chutt>'course that puts us at 6 or 7 on the ground
09:26<rkulagow><in unison>thank you, mythweather! (got the wife interested - she now asks me to chck mythweather when she wants to know)
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11:23<zytta>I was wondering if anybody used the saa7134 driver in here.
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12:05<rkulagow>chutt, are you here?
12:07<rkulagow>chutt, do you mind if i create a "contrib" directory for stuff like the "rebuild myth database" perl script, and the nvidia tv-out modification scripts?
12:07<Chutt>naw, go for it
12:07<rkulagow>ok, thanks.
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12:08<rkulagow>also, i hope that i don't become the "lindows guy" of IRC with this mythweather focus issue i've been running into. moegreen added some debug stuff to help track it down. hopefully, we can get to the bottom of it. i still think it's weird that it's only mythweather...
12:12<mdz_>mythweather doesn't need to do anything explicitly different in order to get different placement/focus
12:12<mdz_>things like the size of the window can affect it
12:13<vidarino>hi guys. idea for new module: mythinternetradio :)
12:13<vidarino>i'd start messing with it myself, but i'm wrestling with -music and -gallery right now.
12:14<Chutt>a couple people have said they're working on a radio module
12:14<Chutt>i doubt anything will come of that
12:14<vidarino>hmm, ok
12:15<vidarino>i was thinking mp3/ogg-streams, btw, not "real" radio.
12:15<vidarino>probably a job best handled by mythmusic
12:15<vidarino>...which is segfaulting here. :/
12:16<Chutt>when going into the rip screen?
12:16<vidarino>can i make it ignore my cdrom drive for a while?
12:16<Chutt>and into the playlist selection screen if you have a cd in?
12:16<Chutt>just take the disc out, should be fine, then
12:16<vidarino>no, on select music. somewhere inside cddb_read_line
12:16<Chutt>it's a bug in libcdaudio
12:17<vidarino>i set my device to /dev/cdromfoobar, but it still b0rks
12:17<Chutt>there was a patch just posted to the mythtv list, and there's a description and patch on libcdaudio's bug tracker on sf
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12:26<zytta>Chutt: you around still?
12:27<zytta>I keep getting spammed with i/o errors
12:27<zytta>just wondering if it's normal, or if I should poke around finding the source.
12:28<Chutt>not normal
12:29<zytta>it seems to have stopped.
12:33<zytta>also, when I close down mythtv, the sound is still going :)
12:33<zytta>Listening to "State of the Union"
12:34<Chutt>that would be question #4 in the faq, i think
12:34<zytta>yeah, haven't gotten so far :)
12:45<vidarino>ah hah!
12:45* vidarinocaught a bug in mythgallery
12:46<vidarino>if number of pics < 3, key_left from pic #1 will take the cursor off the screen. then, enter = segfault.
12:49<vidarino>oh, and if the gallery is empty, it segfaults on enter too.
12:59<Chutt>send patches to the list
12:59<vidarino>hmm, right... i guess i should get on the list first.
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15:23<rkulagow>chutt, if you're here, can you sync CVS docs to the website please?
15:32<zytta>my sound is still out of sync.
15:34<rkulagow>zytta: have you read the HOWTO?
15:35<zytta>FAQ too.
15:36<zytta>just need some adjustment time :)
15:47<itpopxay>mythfrontend: relocation error: mythfrontend: undefined symbol: _ZTv0_n44_N18ImageSelectSetting12configWidgetEP18ConfigurationGroupP7QWidgetPKc
15:48<Chutt>make distclean
15:48<bigguy>heh lindows media computer
15:48<Chutt>rkulagow, 'nother 5 minutes or so
15:48<itpopxay>Chutt: yeah, i thought i did
15:48<Chutt>and i'll do that
15:48<Chutt>itpopxay, might try removing the installed libmyth, then
15:48<zytta>I'm going to be lazy and use kmix, I did everything by hand and it still doesn't give me sound
15:49<zytta>freaking "Audio buffer overflow, audio data lost!
15:50* itpopxaytwiddles his thumbs while mythtv recompiles
15:51<bigguy>zytta: I heard of some complaints about kmix not working right on the list
15:52<zytta>bigguy: yeah, saw that like a minute ago.
16:04<m0tion>mpegaudio.c: In function `filter':
16:04<m0tion>mpegaudio.c:774: internal error: Segmentation fault
16:04<m0tion>anyone getting this while compiling the CVS?
16:04<Chutt>that's a compiler error
16:05<m0tion>oh, what do you think is causing it?
16:06<Viddy>when ripping a cd, its supposed to lookup cddb and get the tracknames, right?
16:08<Chutt>m0tion, buggy compiler, broken hardware, etc
16:08<Chutt>viddy, of course.
16:08<Viddy>it dosent seem to be doing this
16:08<Chutt>that's nice
16:08<Chutt>do some debugging
16:09<Viddy>what im asking, is it a problem at my end, or is it a general problem?
16:09<Chutt>have you seen anyone asking that question on the mailing list?
16:10<Chutt>no, no one's ever asked that question on the mailing list
16:10<Chutt>so, no, it's not a general problem.
16:14<mdz_>m0tion: if it happens every time at the same spot, it's probably a compiler bug
16:14<mdz_>m0tion: if it happens randomly, it's probably a hardware problem
16:15<m0tion>ok, i'll check it out
16:17<m0tion>how would i fix a compiler error?
16:17<m0tion>i'm running gcc 4.2
16:17<m0tion>er.. 3.2
16:18<Viddy>i think he means a compiled error
16:20<m0tion>i don't think thats what he means
16:22<Viddy>we shall see...
16:22<m0tion>whats a "hardware" problem?
16:23<Viddy>bung ram/cpu/whatever
16:23<Chutt>bad ram, overclocked cpu, dying harddrive
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16:40<zytta>yay, stuff works.
16:40<zytta>except segfaulting in epg when i try to switch a channel, but can't have it all :)
16:54<Chutt>i don't understand
16:54<Chutt>how is running setup so hard?
16:55<bigguy>Chutt: talking about the lindows guy?
16:56<Chutt>and the dumbasses that are babbling with him, yeah
16:56<bigguy>I tend to ignore him anyway
16:56<bigguy>I hate his html email
16:58<bigguy>heh this mplayer thread is very trollish
16:59<bigguy>the guy already proved he is a retard why do they keep replying to him ;)
17:08<itpopxay>Chutt: i'm still getting that same error
17:09<itpopxay>this is odd.
17:09<zytta><- retard
17:09<zytta>well, everything is working now- I just need to replace this freaking cable
17:09<zytta>my picture looks like dick.
17:10<Chutt>i didn't miss checking in anything, and it all compiles/runs fine for me
17:10<itpopxay>Chutt: this is happening when i go from mythfrontend->settings->appearance
17:10<Chutt>that code all changed last night
17:10<itpopxay>everything else is working fine..
17:11<zytta>Chutt: I'm using SasQuatch
17:11<Chutt>itpopxay, either you're running an old frontend binary, or an old libmyth library
17:12<Chutt>that's the only way you can get that error
17:13<itpopxay>did you change the install path?
17:16<mdz_>maybe you're not running the mythfrontend binary that you think you are
17:17<mdz_>in any case, that error only results from an incorrect build or installation
17:17<itpopxay>ls -l `which mythfrontend` showed a binary installed on jan 20th
17:17<itpopxay>which is really weird.
17:17<itpopxay>i don't see how i could possibly break 'make install' but we'll see
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17:24<itpopxay>g++ -o mythepg main.o -L/usr/lib/qt-3.1/lib -L/usr/X11R6/lib -L../../libs/libmyth -L../../libs/libmythtv -L../../libs/libavcodec -lmythtv -lavcodec -lmyth-0.8 -lXv -lXinerama -lmp3lame -lqt-mt -lXext -lX11 -lm -lpthread
17:24<itpopxay>make[2]: Leaving directory `/tmp/MC/programs/mythepg'
17:24<itpopxay>cd mythprogfind && qmake -o Makefile
17:24<itpopxay>/bin/sh: line 1: cd: mythprogfind: No such file or directory
17:24<itpopxay>make[1]: *** [mythprogfind/Makefile] Error 1
17:24<itpopxay>make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/MC/programs'
17:24<itpopxay>make: *** [sub-programs] Error 2
17:24<nevertheless>cvs up -d
17:24<nevertheless>@ itpopxay
17:25<nevertheless>you build directory is missing the new stuff
17:25<itpopxay>yeah, i noticed =p
17:29<itpopxay>welcome to freenode =)
17:32<mdz_>itpopxay: cvs update -d
17:32<itpopxay>why the hell does mozilla have the mixer open?
17:33<itpopxay>lsof /dev/mixer1
17:33<itpopxay>mozilla-b 3479 poptix 33u CHR 14,16 66349 /dev/mixer1
17:33<itpopxay>mozilla-b 3485 poptix 33u CHR 14,16 66349 /dev/mixer1
17:33<itpopxay>mozilla-b 3486 poptix 33u CHR 14,16 66349 /dev/mixer1
17:33<itpopxay>mozilla-b 3487 poptix 33u CHR 14,16 66349 /dev/mixer1
17:33<itpopxay>mozilla-b 3489 poptix 33u CHR 14,16 66349 /dev/mixer1
17:33<itpopxay>mozilla-b 3499 poptix 33u CHR 14,16 66349 /dev/mixer1
17:35<mdz_>because you have the flash plugin or some awful thing like that
17:35<mdz_>and there's no need to paste all of that to find out
17:36<itpopxay>pardon moi.
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17:37<itpopxay>and no, i don't have the flash plugin installed
17:37<Kuwanger>Well, the good news is that mythtv seems to be able to record fine. I just can't watch livetv. :/
17:38<Kuwanger>Well, unless it's recording.
17:38<Kuwanger>If I try to change the channel or exit from normal live tv, it doesn't do anything, so I have to kill mythtv. :/
17:40<Kuwanger>Well, actually, I'm under the impression that my last make install didn't put the libmyth file in the right location, so I might have been using the old one..
17:40<Kuwanger>So, livetv might actually work right now. Somehow, I doubt it, though. Though it could just be that mythtv was fubared yesterday for some unknown reason.. :/
17:41<Chutt>using alsa?
17:41<Kuwanger>Uh, where?
17:41<Chutt>for your sound drivres
17:41<Chutt>which version?
17:42<Kuwanger>0.9 something
17:43<Kuwanger>What, I'm supposed to know the exact version off the top of my head? :)
17:43<Chutt>might want to upgrade that, then
17:43<Chutt>it kinda sounds like an old alsa bug
17:43<Kuwanger>Uh, it was working before.
17:44<Chutt>other people on the list reported similar stuff
17:44<Kuwanger>forced unpause?
17:44<Chutt>no, the inability to change channel stuff
17:53* Kuwangerwonders if it could just be his settings..
17:53<Kuwanger>Well, the only thing else to mention is an unrelated issue. For some reason, DBZ isn't recorded like it should be.
17:56<Kuwanger>Specifically, DBZ is set to record any time it's shown on Cartoon Network, the EGP properly shows it as selected with the small C, and then the show conflicts only makes one mention of DBZ.
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18:13<rkulagow>hi, chutt. are you here?
18:17<Chutt>whatcha need?
18:18<rkulagow>chutt, i seem to notice that changing channels takes effect immediately if I use the Keypad enter key, but not spacebar.
18:18<rkulagow>(i've got my "action" key on my remote mapped to space)
18:19<Chutt>and if you just use space, it waits until the timeout takes place?
18:20<Chutt>i'll get that fixed after dinner
18:20<rkulagow>thanks. i'm glad that i found a "real" bug. (finally)
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18:35<Kuwanger>Here's the odd, thing, though..
18:36<Kuwanger>Changed a few settings in mythtv, mostly increased quality a little. And went from a 950Mhz to 1670Mhz CPU.. But, CPU usage appears to have gone from ~20% to ~3%.
18:36<Kuwanger>So, I have no idea what the heck is going on.
18:42<moegreen>Kuwanger: Why is this an odd thing?
18:43<Kuwanger>It's not linear?
18:44<nevertheless>Kuwanger: what did you expect?
18:45<moegreen>There is a lot going on ... on a side note: how did you measure your CPU usage - is that an average 20% to an average 3% over a minute or so?
18:46<Kuwanger>That's looking at gtop's report of cpu usage.
18:46<Kuwanger>The cpu usage for the thread recording is normally pretty steady.
18:46<Kuwanger>When I'm relatively idle, that one process is responsible for the majority of cpu usage, so simple graphics of cpu usage show is strong presence.
18:47<Kuwanger>So, 20% compared to 3% is from noticable to not at all. I'd expected it to at most maybe be half noticable.
18:47<nevertheless>ah, so its better, than you expected :-)
18:47<Kuwanger>Or it's misreported.
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19:21<itpopxay>performance has definitely improved since I added -march=athlon-xp
19:21<itpopxay>and turn on the noatime option for the mounts where video is stored
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19:26* Kuwangerdoesn't have on athlon-xp, just athlon.
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19:32<mdz>Chutt: how come the xv port message doesn't print out the real port number it's using? I mean that's confusing, if you're going to have a message it should print out the real number
19:33<Chutt>yeah, i know
19:33<Chutt>i'm just trying to throw the user off
19:33<mdz>adding 1 like that
19:33<mdz>it's devious
19:36<Kuwanger>I recommend writing out the number in base 7.
19:38<mdz> cout << " <offset> = days from today that xmlfile defines\n";
19:38<mdz> cout << " (-1 meaning from today on all future entries)\n";
19:38<mdz>I do not understand the meaning of -1 from that description
19:39<Chutt>neither do i
19:40<mdz>from the code it looks like -1 means there is supposed to be 10 days worth of data in the xml file
19:44<Chutt>two new themes in one day
19:44<Chutt>how nice =)
19:55* itpopxaylooks at mythmusic
19:56<mdz>Chutt: does this mean that I can finally roll mythweb packages which will work?
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19:57<PeteCool>is the receiver on the winfast 2000 supposed to be "universal"? (it uses the lirc_gpio driver) It doesn't seem to take anything from my other remotes
19:57<itpopxay>oh, Enterprise is on in a few minutes
19:58<mdz>I should trim my channel list some more
19:58<mdz>so manny crap channels
20:02<itpopxay>mdz: isn't cable tv great?
20:10<PeteCool>mdz: think about what it might be for satellite tv users! :)
20:11<PeteCool>mdz: here, the three main french channels are FIVE times each in the channels listing, the providers are providing the signals from 5 different cities... even though the only differences really are the ads
20:31<itpopxay>who's managing mythmusic?
20:32<itpopxay>/usr/include/cdda needs to be added to $INC in the makefile for rpm based systems
20:32<itpopxay>rpm -ql cdparanoia-devel
20:33<Chutt>stupid packagers
20:34<itpopxay>shrug =p
20:36<itpopxay>i need to write a nice command line and GUI rpm spec file generator
20:37<itpopxay>that seems to be the biggest problem with people building rpm's
20:38<itpopxay>enforce some LFS while i'm at it
20:40<itpopxay>and /usr/include/FLAC for the FLAC stuff
20:40<Chutt>err, the flac files are in /usr/include/FLAC/FLAC/?
20:41<Chutt>that's just broken.
20:41<itpopxay>rpm -ql flac-devel
20:41<Chutt>file a bug with whoever made the package
20:41<itpopxay>there's also oggflac and oggflac++
20:42<PeteCool>does the lirc_serial lirc driver work with most remotes? or only some? the lirc_gpio one takes only the remote it was included with
20:55<mdz>those are both broken packages
20:58<Chutt>i think i deleted some source files i needed for work a few weeks back
21:02<itpopxay>Chutt: whoops.
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22:08<mdz>Chutt: just noticed that the disk space indicator on the delete screen is broken for it working for you?
22:09<Chutt>works fine
22:10<Chutt>what's it say?
22:11<mdz>0,000 of 0,000
22:11<Chutt>could be a communication problem between backend and frontend
22:11<Chutt>or it could be a bug in how it gets the data
22:12<mdz>unless you've changed how it gets the data recently, that's probably ok, as it worked before
22:12<Chutt>haven't touched it at all
22:13<mdz>eww, it executes df
22:13<Chutt>yeah, couldn't think of an easy way to do that
22:13<mdz>mind if I change it to use statfs()
22:14<Chutt>not at all
22:15<Chutt>wasn't aware of that
22:20<Chutt>i think i'm done with the work junk that's been taking up my past couple weeks =)
22:21<mdz>yay, more time for mythtv
22:23<Chutt>so, how much you wanna bet that lindows announces a pvr built into their media center pc soon?
22:23<mdz>how much you wanna bet he comes back asking how to get mysql working?
22:25<Chutt>he hasn't asked any silly questions recently
22:26<Chutt>well, about how to get things working, at least
22:26<Chutt>so the freevo people, for their web interface
22:26<Chutt>are pondering building it directly into the app
22:27<Chutt>since they otherwise have no way to talk back and forth
22:27<mdz>is it ok to run multiple frontends right now?
22:27<Chutt>i was playing the same file from one backend onto 3 machines the other day =)
22:28<mdz>that'll make testing quite a bit more convenient for me
22:28<Chutt>tuner card contention should work, too
22:30<Chutt>if you're looking for code to write, how 'bout making options host-specific? =)
22:31<mdz>I still want to finish the recording editor so you can change profiles
22:32<Chutt>ah, yah
22:32<mdz>not sure where it'll fit into the UI though
22:32<mdz>and I haven't touched it in a while
22:35<mdz>I need to work on the packages a bit more
22:35<mdz>mythtv-backend and mythtv-frontend seem ok to you for names?
22:54<mdz>there's a patch in the bts for the latest xmltv breakage if that's affecting you
22:57<moegreen>Chutt: do you understand why all these people want the backend setup to be run in the frontend? It doesn't make any sense does it?
23:01<Chutt>no, i don't know why
23:01<Chutt>apparently running 'setup' is too hard
23:02<moegreen>It's seems if you're going to add a new tuner card, you can also type 'setup' at a command prompt :)
23:02<Chutt>or if you've made major changes to things, you can run setup
23:02<Chutt>it's silly
23:02<Chutt>it's not like setup's hard or anything, thanks to mdz
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23:06<Chutt>oh well
23:06<Chutt>there's 630 people on the list
23:06<Chutt>going to be _some_ dumbasses in that many people
23:12<_shad>Like me
23:16<_shad>have you read theregister about lindows media computer?
23:17<Chutt>i saw the stuff on their website, though
23:18<_shad>Quick, you can become rich chutt. :P
23:18<_shad>put a clause in there for lindows. heh
23:19<mdz>mini-ITX cased machine using a 933MHz Via C3 E-Series processor
23:19<Chutt>and all the interesting software is in the bios
23:19<Chutt>ie, the dvd player, etc
23:21<mdz>I thought libqt3 actually got rebuilt with g++-3.2, but then I noticed it was just the kde3 site changing their names to match the transition plan
23:21<mdz>the maintainer has been saying he's going to do it
23:21<Chutt>i'll believe that when it happens
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23:22<_shad>build order: kerberos4 -> heimdal -> postgresql -> libqt3c102 -> kde3.1
23:23<Chutt>the kde/qt debian maintainers are very "busy" people
23:23<Chutt>"oh, we're waiting for xfree"
23:23<mdz>the kde maintainers have been too "busy" to upload anything since woody released
23:23<Chutt><xfree finally gets updated after 6 months>
23:24<Chutt>"nevermind, we're _really_ waiting on the woody release"
23:24<_shad>I know. piss me off
23:24<Chutt><hell freezes over, debian releases a new stable>
23:24<Chutt>"oh, we're actually waiting for the gcc 3.2 transition"
23:25<Chutt>there, sent nathan off a fixed colorbars theme
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