| 00:36 | <mirk_dt> | mdz: you responded on the list that X isn't required for the backend... |
| 00:36 | <mirk_dt> | and yet, setup is an X app. |
| 00:37 | <mirk_dt> | Is that optional somehow? |
| 00:42 | <mdz> | mirk_dt: setup is used for _configuring_ the backend; it isn't needed to run it |
| 00:43 | <mirk_dt> | right. Is it possible to configure the backend from a frontend machine? What I'm wondering is if I can setup / run the backend on a server that has no X installed. |
| 00:43 | <mdz> | ssh -X backendmachine setup |
| 00:43 | <mdz> | from an X session |
| 00:45 | <mdz> | yay, new qt3 debs |
| 00:45 | <mirk_dt> | I apologize if I'm coming across too dense, but doesn't that require the backendmachine to have all the X libs and such installed? |
| 00:46 | <mdz> | yes |
| 00:46 | <mdz> | why is that a problem? |
| 00:46 | <mirk_dt> | umm..on my servers, I have no X at all. |
| 00:47 | <mdz> | can you not install the X libraries? |
| 00:47 | <mirk_dt> | certainly. but myth would be the only thing using them...and then just for the setup phase. |
| 00:47 | <mdz> | then you could remove them after the setup phase if they bother you |
| 00:48 | <mdz> | but we're talking about maybe 15 megabytes worth of libraries here, they're really quite harmless |
| 00:48 | <mirk_dt> | well...this leads me to a question for Chutt. I've been working on putting .rpms together... |
| 00:49 | <mdz> | theoretically, most of the backend configuration could be done from the frontend |
| 00:49 | <mirk_dt> | and the .rpms will have to depend on Xlibs rpm files. |
| 00:49 | <mdz> | but I see no reason to go through the trouble |
| 00:49 | <mdz> | the xmltv stuff would still need to be done on the backend |
| 00:49 | <mdz> | yes, that is correct |
| 00:49 | <mirk_dt> | I wonder if it would be worth making a text-based setup option for the backend. |
| 00:49 | <mdz> | even if you forget about the setup program, that is still true |
| 00:50 | <mdz> | myth uses Qt. Qt links with the X11 libraries. |
| 00:50 | <mirk_dt> | ahhh. |
| 00:50 | <mirk_dt> | I didn't know Qt depended on X11 libs. |
| 00:50 | <mirk_dt> | mdz: perhaps you know this...is anyone else putting together RH .rpm files? |
| 00:51 | <mdz> | ldd /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 |
| 00:51 | <mdz> | I do not know...I'm pretty sure other peolpe have mentioned it |
| 00:51 | <mdz> | but I know of nobody who is actually distributing RPMs |
| 00:51 | <mirk_dt> | I just learned how to make .rpms and have .spec files for most everything (working with cvs of approx 2 wks ago). |
| 00:52 | <mdz> | it would be worth searching the mailing list archive and sending mail to some of the people who have said they were going to do it, just to make sure |
| 00:52 | <mirk_dt> | I was thinking of distributing them when 0.8 comes out. |
| 00:52 | <mdz> | but I don't think anyone followed through |
| 00:52 | <mirk_dt> | good idea. |
| 00:52 | <mdz> | if anyone is working on RPMs and hasn't announced it to the mailing list, Chutt would probably know about it |
| 00:53 | <mirk_dt> | mdz: any idea when 0.8 will be ready? I need to get a web page together. |
| 00:56 | <mdz> | I believe Chutt wants to work out some more issues with remote backend/frontend operation first |
| 00:56 | <mdz> | 0.8 will be ready when he's satisfied with how it's working |
| 00:57 | <mirk_dt> | k |
| 01:01 | <mdz> | Chutt: don't bother upgrading to the new Qt in unstable until the next upload; it's pretty much hosed |
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| 01:05 | <PeteCool> | how and where do you guys turn off dpms/screen blanking in your mtyh boxes? |
| 01:07 | <mdz> | xset s off |
| 01:07 | <mdz> | xset -dpms |
| 01:16 | <rkulagow> | mirk_dt: Axel Thimm already has RPMs for mythtv 0.7: http://atrpms.physik.fu-berlin.de/rh80/at-bleeding/mythtv/ |
| 02:02 | <PeteCool> | mdz: the screensaver part seems to be waht gave me problems... now it seems to not shut off at all, thanks :) |
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| 06:44 | <emacsen> | hello. Anyone up? |
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| 09:21 | <yebyen> | ahem |
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| 10:01 | <m0tion> | is there support for or is anyone working on support for HDTV tuner cards like the WinTV-HD? |
| 10:02 | <rkulagow> | motion: are there v4l drivers yet? |
| 10:02 | <m0tion> | i have no idea |
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| 10:03 | <emacsen> | hello all |
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| 10:47 | <emacsen> | hi yebyen |
| 10:50 | <yebyen> | hullo |
| 10:53 | <emacsen> | I have some MythTV questions... |
| 10:53 | <emacsen> | 1) Is there a radio MythTV module? |
| 10:53 | <emacsen> | 2) Is are there docs on using specialized mpeg encoders so you can use a smaller CPU? |
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| 11:12 | <yebyen> | hm |
| 11:12 | <yebyen> | don't believe so, on either count |
| 11:12 | <yebyen> | though a mythradio module is either in cvs or in the works |
| 11:12 | <yebyen> | or under consideration |
| 11:13 | <emacsen> | The problem with a fast CPU is noise |
| 11:14 | <emacsen> | fast -> hot -> good cooling -> noise |
| 11:14 | <yebyen> | yeah |
| 11:14 | <yebyen> | i've got a 700mhz athlon in my mythtv box |
| 11:14 | <yebyen> | does mpeg4 at 320x240 just fine |
| 11:14 | <emacsen> | the web page says 1800 AMD |
| 11:15 | <emacsen> | ah, that's pretty low |
| 11:15 | <yebyen> | that's what chutt uses |
| 11:15 | <yebyen> | yeah |
| 11:15 | <yebyen> | looks fine though |
| 11:15 | <yebyen> | on a tv |
| 11:15 | <yebyen> | i've never seen it in 640x480 |
| 11:15 | <vektor> | And at anything > 240 scanlines you need to deal with deinterlacing. |
| 11:15 | <vektor> | And you'll end up with effectively only 240 lines of resolution anyway so... |
| 11:15 | <yebyen> | oh |
| 11:16 | <yebyen> | well, i do have deinterlacing on |
| 11:16 | <yebyen> | yeah |
| 11:16 | <emacsen> | deinterlacing? |
| 11:16 | <vektor> | yebyen: um, why if you're recording at 320x240 ? |
| 11:16 | <yebyen> | filter to prevent nasty lines |
| 11:16 | <vektor> | since you're only getting every second field |
| 11:16 | <yebyen> | vektor: huh? |
| 11:16 | <yebyen> | vektor: oh |
| 11:16 | <vektor> | deinterlcaing is not a filter to prevent nasty lines :) |
| 11:16 | <yebyen> | vektor: if you dumb it down to the lowest common denominator it is :) |
| 11:17 | <vektor> | deinterlacing is framerate conversion from interlaced 59.94fps to progressive (either 29.97fps or 59.94fps). |
| 11:17 | <emacsen> | okay... Now, I'm sorry to do this- but I need to troll to get a good answer: |
| 11:17 | <emacsen> | Why should I use MythTV instead of Freevo? |
| 11:17 | <yebyen> | vektor: anyway, if I don't have deinterlacing on, i do get the nasty lines :) |
| 11:17 | <vektor> | yebyen: even when capturing only 240 scanlines?? |
| 11:18 | <vektor> | that makes little sense.. |
| 11:18 | <yebyen> | emacsen: i've never used freevo, never had any reason to try anything besides mythtv :) |
| 11:18 | <vektor> | unless you're a PAL user or something :) |
| 11:18 | <yebyen> | hehe |
| 11:18 | <yebyen> | vektor: nope, US-NTSC |
| 11:18 | <yebyen> | vektor: i'm displaying it to a tv, too... doesn't make any sense, but they're there |
| 11:19 | <vektor> | well just 'displaying on a tv' doesn't help anything |
| 11:19 | <yebyen> | vektor: I was under the impression that if I turned the resolution up, I wouldn't need the deinterlacing. |
| 11:19 | <vektor> | since you'd still need to be exactly insync. |
| 11:19 | <vektor> | yebyen: I think that impression is false. |
| 11:19 | <yebyen> | hm |
| 11:19 | <vektor> | Like, remember that each frame consists of an even and odd field which must be shown in the right order |
| 11:20 | <yebyen> | yeah, like, i'm the author of xaw-deinterlace :) |
| 11:20 | <vektor> | so you have to make sure that as you present frames to the TV encoder that it knows which to show first and second etc |
| 11:20 | <yebyen> | heh |
| 11:20 | <vektor> | heh |
| 11:20 | <vektor> | and i'm the author of tvtime soo boo-ya! |
| 11:20 | <yebyen> | saq :) |
| 11:20 | <emacsen> | tvtime? |
| 11:20 | <vektor> | emacsen: http://tvtime.sourceforge.net/ |
| 11:20 | <vektor> | It's basically a linux port of DScaler |
| 11:20 | <vektor> | it's a high quality TV app |
| 11:21 | <vektor> | uses lots of cpu, but approaches the quality of a TV/surpasses quality of a TV. |
| 11:21 | <emacsen> | so what do you guys do about noise? |
| 11:21 | <vektor> | who, me? :) |
| 11:21 | <vektor> | what noise? :) |
| 11:22 | <emacsen> | "TURN UP THE TV- I CAN'T HEAR IT OVER THE COMPUTER THAT'S PLAYING IT!" |
| 11:22 | <vektor> | oh you mean PC noise? |
| 11:22 | <yebyen> | it's across the room |
| 11:22 | <yebyen> | heh |
| 11:22 | <vektor> | I thought you meant like video noise in the picture. |
| 11:22 | <yebyen> | and my sound comes out of the stereo |
| 11:22 | <vektor> | Because that is a problem. |
| 11:22 | <vektor> | I dunno, my PC is pretty quiet. |
| 11:22 | <emacsen> | can MythTV record one thing and play another? |
| 11:23 | <vektor> | emacsen: That's the point of it. |
| 11:23 | <vektor> | As long as you're playing something pre-recorded. |
| 11:23 | <emacsen> | can mythTV play my por^H^H^H multimedia files? |
| 11:24 | * emacsen | is dreading tommorow... |
| 11:25 | * emacsen | works at NASA |
| 11:25 | <emacsen> | they're going to use this as an excuse to tighten security |
| 11:25 | <vektor> | What location? |
| 11:25 | <emacsen> | gsfc |
| 11:26 | <vektor> | Sorry, where is that? |
| 11:26 | <emacsen> | Maryland |
| 11:26 | <vektor> | oh ok. |
| 11:26 | <vektor> | what do you do? |
| 11:26 | <emacsen> | I'm a sys admin |
| 11:26 | <_shad> | inspection :P |
| 11:26 | <vektor> | cool |
| 11:27 | <emacsen> | but they've been tightening security more and more |
| 11:27 | <emacsen> | and this accident will make life worse |
| 11:28 | <_shad> | Hrm. |
| 11:28 | <_shad> | shitty |
| 11:29 | <emacsen> | they're going to close the bar, I'm sure |
| 11:30 | <_shad> | you have a bar? :) |
| 11:30 | <emacsen> | the rec center has a bar yeah |
| 11:31 | <emacsen> | we also have an on site farmer's market |
| 11:31 | <_shad> | nice :) |
| 11:35 | <emacsen> | so, I'm going to look at buying a computer for this... |
| 11:35 | <emacsen> | I want a small, dedicated computer for PVR |
| 11:36 | <PeteCool> | emacsen: I'm using a celeron1100A on a microatx motherboard, in a microatx case... I 7-volted the cpu fan, it's now near-silent (the crappy old harddrive is the noise-maker), and it's fast enough |
| 11:37 | <PeteCool> | emacsen: don't skimp on the hard drive |
| 11:37 | <_shad> | PeteCool: How much ram can you stick in it? |
| 11:37 | <emacsen> | PeteCool: it's fine to record and play at the same time at a good resolution? |
| 11:37 | <PeteCool> | _shad: it's a 512megs, the chipset's maximum :) |
| 11:37 | <_shad> | PeteCool: If you want a truly silent box, make a ram drive :P |
| 11:37 | <_shad> | I did it, worked nice |
| 11:38 | <PeteCool> | emacsen: I do live-tv at 352x240, on a tv-out, and it's nearly as good as looking it straight through the tv |
| 11:38 | <PeteCool> | _shad: 512megs is pretty limited for a ringbuffer :) |
| 11:38 | <PeteCool> | _shad: the hd doesn't have spinning noises, it makes noise when writing anything onn it |
| 11:39 | <_shad> | yea |
| 11:39 | <_shad> | I know |
| 11:39 | <PeteCool> | _shad: if I'm not recording anything, I can't hear it |
| 11:39 | <_shad> | I like to keep mine on all the time |
| 11:39 | <_shad> | it's always 'recording' though |
| 11:40 | <PeteCool> | emacsen: also, make your hard disk over 20G if you want more than 2~3 hours of storage |
| 11:40 | <_shad> | hrm.. I wonder. multiple computers, multiple ram drives, maybe I'll md them together |
| 11:40 | <PeteCool> | _shad: over the network? good luck ;) |
| 11:41 | <_shad> | yep |
| 11:41 | <_shad> | heh |
| 11:41 | <emacsen> | PeteCool: I was planning on a 120-160gig hard drive |
| 11:41 | <_shad> | I actually have my ringbuffer over the network |
| 11:41 | <_shad> | the only problem is the other computer is in the same room :( |
| 11:42 | <PeteCool> | emacsen: just make sure your ide controller can do the 48-bit addressing (or something like that) needed to access past the 137GB barrier |
| 11:42 | <emacsen> | yeap |
| 11:42 | <PeteCool> | emacsen: what kind of cpu do you want to use? |
| 11:43 | <emacsen> | PeteCool: dunno, something fast enough but cheap... I'm looking for a nice MicroATX case now |
| 11:44 | <PeteCool> | emacsen: if you afford them, the lian-li "desktop" case can fit well with the A/V stuff |
| 11:44 | <PeteCool> | it looks cool |
| 11:45 | <emacsen> | PeteCool: and it can hold the PCI cards and the hard drives needed? |
| 11:46 | <PeteCool> | emacsen: yes, it has full-size PCI, 2 hard disk bays and 2 cd/dvd bays |
| 11:46 | <emacsen> | http://www.whiningdog.net/Reviews/PC/Accessories/Cases/20020912-LianLiPC9300/ |
| 11:46 | <emacsen> | aluminum one? |
| 11:47 | <PeteCool> | emacsen: that's the one |
| 11:47 | <emacsen> | does MythTV have a "record to CD" module? |
| 11:47 | <PeteCool> | not yet |
| 11:48 | <emacsen> | and what's the video card of choice here? |
| 11:48 | <PeteCool> | the recordings are too big (unless you use mpeg4 recording, I wouldn't know how big they are, never tried) |
| 11:48 | <PeteCool> | I've got a gf2 mx400 with tv-out |
| 11:49 | <PeteCool> | it does what I wanted it to, and it's one the most inexpensive things available around here |
| 11:52 | <PeteCool> | all I need now is a non-stupid remote... the leadtek winfast 2000 deluxe one is just too slow, I need to press the buttons at least twice longer than what a remote usually requires |
| 11:55 | <PeteCool> | which means most of the time I do "empty presses" - they do nothing :( |
| 11:55 | <emacsen> | hrm, some of them have built in hardware encoders- sweet |
| 11:55 | <PeteCool> | the tuners? |
| 11:55 | <emacsen> | the video cards with tuners |
| 11:56 | <PeteCool> | but unless they have v4l drivers it won't work |
| 11:56 | <PeteCool> | most of the time they don't |
| 11:57 | <emacsen> | Increased hardware encoder support. MythTV can now use the MJPEG encoder/decoder found on Matrox G200 series cards. This greatly reduces the CPU utilization. |
| 11:59 | <PeteCool> | emacsen: I think that the matrox ones are pretty much the only ones that can do that, but I may be wrong |
| 11:59 | <emacsen> | the new AIW also has hardware encoder |
| 11:59 | <PeteCool> | emacsen: most of the time people use bt848/bt878 based tuners - they're good and inexpensive |
| 11:59 | <emacsen> | but no support for that AFAIK |
| 11:59 | <PeteCool> | emacsen: the 9700 one? |
| 12:00 | <emacsen> | PeteCool: hold on |
| 12:01 | <emacsen> | damnit they got rid of the comparison chat |
| 12:01 | <emacsen> | but yeah I think the 9700 |
| 12:03 | <PeteCool> | I hope ati someday makes some real drivers |
| 12:03 | <emacsen> | hehe |
| 12:03 | <PeteCool> | when the 9700 will be 3+ years old it would make a great capture card - hmm... by then the cpu will be very able to do high-quality encoding and have spare cycles :( |
| 12:04 | <PeteCool> | thats not such a bad thing in fact |
| 12:04 | <emacsen> | by then we won't need to encode, only record ;) |
| 12:05 | <emacsen> | ignore_broadcast_flag = 1 |
| 12:06 | <PeteCool> | hmm |
| 12:06 | <PeteCool> | I don't get that one |
| 12:07 | <emacsen> | well we're supposed to be using HDTV soon/now |
| 12:07 | <emacsen> | oh you're in Canadia |
| 12:07 | <emacsen> | nevermind |
| 12:07 | <emacsen> | you don't need TV, you'll have legal pot soon |
| 12:07 | <PeteCool> | I'm not onto that stuff (yet?) |
| 12:08 | <emacsen> | I listen to "As It Happens" |
| 12:08 | <PeteCool> | but I doubt it, surely a "mothers against drugged driving" will emerge |
| 12:08 | <emacsen> | But my favorite CBC broadcast was an international news broadcast |
| 12:09 | <emacsen> | Canadian news of the day... And thier feature was a man in manitoba who fixed the wheels on shopping carts |
| 12:09 | <PeteCool> | LOL |
| 12:09 | <PeteCool> | and the french news channels are most of the times worse than the english ones |
| 12:09 | <PeteCool> | the crap they can find, incredible |
| 12:10 | <emacsen> | Basically, Canadian news seems to be 90% trashing the US and 10% anything else they find think of, usually about a Canadian winning an award or "the arm" doing something |
| 12:14 | <PeteCool> | does the order of the columns matter in the database tables? |
| 12:14 | <emacsen> | if you do any operations on it- yes |
| 12:14 | <emacsen> | ie if you insert into table this that other thing values .... |
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| 12:39 | <yebyen> | heh |
| 12:40 | <yebyen> | would it? don't you name the fields as you tell what you're inserting into them? |
| 12:41 | <yebyen> | like, something like INSERT INTO table column1,column2 VALUES value1, value2; |
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| 12:42 | <PeteCool> | yebyen: mysql has a mode where you don't specify in which column name to write the data, if myth uses it i'd be screwed |
| 12:42 | <yebyen> | oh |
| 12:43 | <yebyen> | it's probably a safe bet that it doesn't ^_~ |
| 12:43 | <PeteCool> | I rebuilt the table from scratch anyways |
| 12:43 | <yebyen> | Chutt changes the database every once in a while |
| 12:44 | <yebyen> | so i'm sure he wrote all of the code to deal with it in such a way that he wouldn't have to rewrite it every time the db changed |
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| 12:46 | * yebyen | waits impatiently for xfree86 4.2.99.4 to build |
| 12:47 | <PeteCool> | yebyen: yeah, Chutt is pretty clever :) |
| 12:47 | <yebyen> | heh |
| 12:47 | <PeteCool> | yebyen: can you tell me your experiences with the new X when ti's done? |
| 12:48 | <yebyen> | sure |
| 12:48 | <yebyen> | i wouldn't suggest upgrading until 4.3.0 though :) |
| 12:48 | <yebyen> | heh |
| 12:49 | <PeteCool> | yebyen: most of the stuff on my gentoo install is experimental anyways |
| 12:49 | <yebyen> | heh |
| 12:49 | <yebyen> | well 4.3.0 is going to be out like... any minute |
| 12:49 | <yebyen> | heh |
| 12:50 | <PeteCool> | they're probably the same thing anyways |
| 12:50 | <yebyen> | possibly |
| 12:50 | <yebyen> | it's a release candidate type thing |
| 12:51 | <yebyen> | (though they may actually be planning a 4.3.0 release candidate) |
| 12:51 | <yebyen> | ok, bbl |
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| 13:49 | <PeteCool> | are there other nvidia tv-out tweaking progs, than nvtv? |
| 13:50 | <yebyen> | dunno |
| 13:50 | <yebyen> | *arrives back from scraping ice outside* |
| 13:51 | <yebyen> | heh |
| 13:51 | <yebyen> | XF86 4.2.99.4 is compiled |
| 13:51 | <yebyen> | now to get something actually running on it |
| 13:51 | <PeteCool> | are the cursors still translucent red? |
| 13:52 | <PeteCool> | I've got two builds of 4.2.99.3 (from gentoo), and one has red cursors and the other white ones (weird) |
| 13:56 | <yebyen> | i don't have anything running on it, heh |
| 13:56 | <yebyen> | still installing hotplug so I can have my usb mouse even |
| 13:57 | <PeteCool> | you don't need that for a usb mouse |
| 13:58 | <yebyen> | no, you don't, but I might as well install it |
| 13:58 | <yebyen> | seeing how i'm in need of vim as well :) |
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| 14:00 | <yebyen> | well that didn't go well |
| 14:01 | <yebyen> | just tried to do a config test, and I had to sysrq out of it :) |
| 14:01 | <PeteCool> | config test? |
| 14:02 | <yebyen> | XFree86 -xf86config /root/XF86Config.new |
| 14:02 | <yebyen> | heh |
| 14:03 | <PeteCool> | I never ever had to do that |
| 14:07 | <yebyen> | you don't have to |
| 14:07 | <yebyen> | it suggests it to you, but you could just copy it to /etc/X11 |
| 14:11 | <yebyen> | lala, *plays around* |
| 14:13 | <yebyen> | there we go, 1600x1200 |
| 14:13 | <yebyen> | using nv.o |
| 14:13 | <yebyen> | heh |
| 14:29 | <mcnamara> | Hi, With wythtv, how does one compensate for having two cable lines? (ie A and B) Would I install a second tuner and somehow let mythtv know that "tnt" is 30 on tv card #2? (ie 30b) |
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| 14:34 | <mcnamara> | Can anyone help me with this issue? I just want to know if is going to be possible for me to hook up both cable lines to one machine and map one set of channels to one card, and the other to the second. |
| 14:35 | <moegreen> | mcnamara: I don't think there is any way to map channels, however you can have two tuner cards and switch between the two input lines easily. |
| 14:36 | <mcnamara> | Hmm... so is then NOT feasible to get the cable listings for "a" and "b" channels and have it know which tuner card is assigned to each? |
| 14:37 | <moegreen> | Correct, you can get the guide information and what not, but there is nothing in place to map a channel to a particular input. |
| 14:37 | <PeteCool> | mcnamara: the providers are different for each line? |
| 14:38 | <mcnamara> | Pete-- no, just that my provider (at&t) in it's analog system has two coax feeds-- a and b. |
| 14:38 | <mcnamara> | would be so simple if they just offered digital, sigh! |
| 14:39 | <moegreen> | If you had some kind of converter box to combine the signals you could hoook up the output of that to the tuner card and use an ir transmitter to change the channel on the converter box. |
| 14:40 | <mcnamara> | well darn... :( Maybe I shall just have it handle network tv (which is all on "a") until they upgade to digital. |
| 14:40 | <mcnamara> | well darn... :( Maybe I shall just have it handle network tv (which is all on "a") until they upgade to digital. |
| 14:40 | <mcnamara> | whoops, sorry about the double. |
| 14:41 | <moegreen> | mcnamara: yeah, that's a pretty old system for cable distribution - are they planning an upgrade so they can charge their customers more? :) |
| 14:42 | <mcnamara> | They actually charge more for analog, damn them.. well, it's dependant on the package, but I pay more than the same digital package, with my premium channels... You wouldn't think downtown boston would be so tough, sheesh. |
| 14:42 | <mcnamara> | When people in the burbs all have digital. |
| 14:42 | <PeteCool> | more money to be made in the suburbs, maybe |
| 14:43 | <mcnamara> | but I guess they need all sorts of permits to upgrade and are doing so slowwwwwly. |
| 14:43 | <PeteCool> | here the suburbs are ircher than downtown, overall |
| 14:43 | <mcnamara> | they are working on the downtown stuff, last I checked they were 70 buildings away.. so a month or two on the outside, they tell me. |
| 14:44 | <mcnamara> | Will just have it save all my alias episodes till then ;) |
| 14:45 | <mcnamara> | Here's a really stupid question... I assume MythTV runs from the command prompt, rather than Xfree86? |
| 14:46 | <mcnamara> | trying to figure out whether to turn on x by default.. am installing my box as I type. |
| 14:46 | <PeteCool> | mcnamara: it needs X |
| 14:46 | <PeteCool> | it even needs drivers who can do Xv |
| 14:47 | <mcnamara> | K, gotcha. I appreciate it... am going to have a hard time figuring out how to get it to run Mythtv at startup.. Linux is not my natural environment... but Will follow the howto carefully. |
| 14:49 | <PeteCool> | mcnamara: what is your video card |
| 14:49 | <mcnamara> | I assumer an Athlon 1.33 Ghz with 512MB of RAM will be sufficient? |
| 14:49 | <PeteCool> | mcnamara: more than enough |
| 14:50 | <mcnamara> | Radeon VE, but I had to turn on the VESA driver to allow it to run X on the TV without a monitor plugged in... :( |
| 14:50 | <vektor> | athlon 1.33 is a bit slow |
| 14:51 | <mcnamara> | kept throwing errors everry time I tried with the Radeon driver... |
| 14:51 | <PeteCool> | vektor: are you kiding? |
| 14:51 | <PeteCool> | vektor: a p3 1 Ghz is enough if you don't want a more than perfect picture |
| 14:52 | <PeteCool> | vektor: at least here it does |
| 14:53 | <PeteCool> | vektor: did you look at ffdshow? |
| 14:56 | <PeteCool> | vektor: it would be cool to be able to do some of its post-processing in mythtv - then the spare cpu power could be used |
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| 14:59 | <yebyen> | XFree86 4.3.0 is going to rock |
| 14:59 | <yebyen> | transparent cursor :D |
| 14:59 | <yebyen> | i've got one in 4.2.99.4 |
| 15:02 | <PeteCool> | yebyen: it's been there for months ;) |
| 15:06 | <bigguy> | PeteCool: yeah it has |
| 15:06 | <yebyen> | PeteCool: heh damn |
| 15:06 | <bigguy> | following X cvs commit lists can be a good thing ;) |
| 15:07 | <yebyen> | any programs use transparency yet? |
| 15:07 | <yebyen> | i want a transparent xterm |
| 15:08 | <yebyen> | well, a transluscent xterm :) |
| 15:08 | <yebyen> | heh |
| 15:10 | <PeteCool> | and real transparent, not a pasted X root as term backgroun |
| 15:11 | <yebyen> | yeah |
| 15:11 | <yebyen> | that's what i'm talking about |
| 15:11 | <yebyen> | heh |
| 15:11 | <yebyen> | are they around? :) |
| 15:12 | <bigguy> | keeping up with the Jones(win2k/xp and macos X) |
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| 15:34 | <mcnamara> | I am having a problem with the "building XMLTV portion of the process... Am following the directions from the documentation exactly, but when I try "cpan> install XML::Twig" in perl (which I know NOTHING about) it seems to fetch things, then lists a series of .tar.gz files with the error "No such file or directory" and finally reports "/bin/tar: Error is unrecoverable: exiting now." Any input? |
| 15:36 | <mcnamara> | and then "Couldn't untar y/sources/authors/<bunch of stuff>/XML-Twig-3.09.tar.gz" |
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| 15:44 | <Universe> | sounds like your having a problem with perl and Twig... might want to do some googles and see what you can find. |
| 15:46 | <mcnamara> | Will it rok to simply install these by hand? ie perl Makefile.pl, make, make install? |
| 15:46 | <mcnamara> | er work |
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| 15:48 | <mcnamara> | Erm, answered my own question.. yes it does.. shall just do that. |
| 15:48 | <Universe> | thats what I did... |
| 15:48 | <Universe> | heh.. ok |
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| 15:57 | <mcnamara> | Uh... ruh-roh... any reason while making mythtv it will report /bin/sh: line 1: qmake: command not found? |
| 15:58 | <mcnamara> | sounds like a qt problem, yah? |
| 15:58 | <mcnamara> | Perhaps I screwed up something with the paths at the beginning. |
| 16:02 | <Universe> | yeah... your QTDIR isn't configured correctly |
| 16:02 | <mcnamara> | hmm.. created the mythtv.sh file, and chmod'ed it.. is there anything else to do after that? |
| 16:05 | <rcaskey> | have there been any new features recently |
| 16:18 | <mcnamara> | Where i the setup directory for running ./setup? |
| 16:18 | <mcnamara> | er is |
| 16:18 | <mcnamara> | ah, found, sorry. |
| 16:23 | <mcnamara> | XMLTV does come up with a and b as two seperate listings in my area, so looks like two cards should work nicely. |
| 16:38 | <mcnamara> | Is there a video card that works "best" right out of the box with MythTV? |
| 16:47 | <mcnamara> | also, how many das by default does XMLtv get a database for after the present date? |
| 16:47 | <mcnamara> | er days |
| 17:12 | <moegreen> | mcnamara: you need a video card that has a device driver capable of XV (see xfree's website). The mythfilldatabase will run XMLTV for 7 days I think (it's that or 10) |
| 17:21 | <mcnamara> | Is there a way to change the font size in the program guide? I can't read anything! |
| 17:30 | <moegreen> | are you using version 0.7? |
| 17:30 | <mcnamara> | yes. |
| 17:34 | <moegreen> | try looking in the settings.txt or theme.txt file |
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| 18:02 | <Toothpick> | Is there a shared mysql server for mythtv? |
| 18:02 | <Toothpick> | So I don't have to run mythtv locally? |
| 18:02 | <Toothpick> | rather mysql locally. |
| 18:04 | <mdz> | shared? |
| 18:04 | <mdz> | just have it connect to a remote mysql server, it's as simple as that |
| 18:05 | <mdz> | in the mysql.txt configuration file where it asks for the address of the mysql server, give the name of the host running mysql rather than 'localhost' |
| 18:08 | <Toothpick> | mdz what I meant is like an open mysql server that would let anyone connect for mythtv purposes. |
| 18:15 | <moegreen> | Toothpick: no, you need to have mysql running because it downloads the show listings for your cable provider |
| 18:15 | <Toothpick> | ok |
| 18:16 | <moegreen> | well it doesn't download it, but that is where the data needs to be held |
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| 18:27 | <_shad> | mdz: get your ram yet? |
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| 18:38 | <Toothpick> | I think the mythtv site assumes more knowledge about mysql than I have. |
| 18:39 | <Toothpick> | I've never set it up before. |
| 18:39 | <_shad> | are you using debian? |
| 18:39 | <moegreen> | what linux distribution are you using? |
| 18:40 | <Toothpick> | debian based. |
| 18:40 | <Toothpick> | sid |
| 18:40 | <Toothpick> | It is easy enough to add mysql...just don't know what do do with it after I have it. |
| 18:43 | <moegreen> | you have to add the mythtv user to the database, see http://www.mysql.com/documentation/mysql/bychapter/manual_MySQL_Database_Administration.html#User_names |
| 18:44 | <Toothpick> | thanks bookmarking that site now. |
| 18:45 | <Toothpick> | so username is mythtv and not the uname I use to log onto my box. |
| 18:46 | <moegreen> | once you have it setup you can verify that you did it correctly by executing: 'mysql -u mythtv -h localhost -p' it will then ask for a password and if it works you'll be connected to the sql server |
| 18:46 | <Toothpick> | ok thanks |
| 18:47 | <Toothpick> | ERROR 2002: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) |
| 18:47 | <moegreen> | there are debian packages for mythtv which may do this step for you |
| 18:47 | <Toothpick> | They are the ones I am going to install as soon as this apt-get upgrade is done...it was huge. |
| 18:49 | <Toothpick> | The debian sources look like they are for woody...will they work with unstable? |
| 19:03 | <Toothpick> | When I do a dist-upgrade with the default source list with knoppix things break. |
| 19:04 | <Toothpick> | I am trying to know all my sources...just trying to learn how it works better. |
| 19:05 | <mdz> | Toothpick: read the web page; they should work fine with unstable |
| 19:05 | <Toothpick> | thanks...and will do. |
| 19:05 | <mdz> | without recompiling even |
| 19:06 | <mdz> | _shad: Scheduled Delivery: Feb 3, 2003 |
| 19:55 | <Toothpick> | The user that runs mythtv must be named mythtv? |
| 19:56 | <Toothpick> | I just am finishing up the install of mythtv... |
| 19:56 | <Toothpick> | myth-setup is next if I am not mistaken |
| 19:56 | <_shad> | mdz: Hmm. you used memtest86, right? |
| 19:57 | <mdz> | _shad: yep |
| 19:57 | <_shad> | do you remember which numbers it gave for errors? like which part of the ram? |
| 19:58 | <mdz> | very low numbers and very high numbers |
| 19:58 | <mdz> | like near the bottom and the top of RAM |
| 19:58 | <mdz> | all of the errors were on the same bit in the byte, too |
| 19:58 | <mdz> | in the word, I should say |
| 19:58 | <mdz> | ffffffef vs ffffffff or such |
| 19:58 | <_shad> | sucks |
| 19:58 | <_shad> | coulda used mem= on boot :) |
| 19:59 | <mdz> | yeah, thought about it, but not with errors near the bottom of memory |
| 19:59 | <_shad> | or recompile with badram patch :) |
| 19:59 | <_shad> | I use it on a bad 128 stick |
| 20:01 | <mdz> | no sense worrying about it too much, I bought the ram from a good place so replacement ram is on the way |
| 20:01 | <mdz> | I just hope it really is the ram, and not the board or something else worse |
| 20:02 | <mdz> | that box runs a little warm because it has no case fan (for less noise), but the CPU is well within spec and the case temperature seems OK |
| 20:02 | <mdz> | though I can't monitor them while the system is under load, I only know the idle temp |
| 20:02 | <mdz> | I can't imagine it varies more than 10 degC or so |
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| 20:35 | <_shad> | hmm |
| 20:35 | <_shad> | If memtest86 shows bad ram, it is bad ram. have you tried reseating it though? |
| 20:36 | <mdz> | yeah, I did |
| 20:36 | <mdz> | I even tried the nintendo trick |
| 20:36 | <_shad> | haha |
| 20:36 | <_shad> | blow out the socket? |
| 20:36 | <_shad> | :P |
| 20:37 | <mdz> | yep |
| 20:37 | <_shad> | I've had hell with ram lately |
| 20:37 | <_shad> | at work mostly, thank god |
| 20:38 | <mdz> | I just got 3 ksymoopses on my desktop machine |
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| 20:39 | <mdz> | er, 3 oopses |
| 20:39 | <mdz> | but this is normal when using this crap usbdnet driver I have to use to talk to the Zaurus |
| 20:40 | <_shad> | heh. What kernel are you using? |
| 20:40 | <mdz> | 2.4.19 |
| 20:40 | <_shad> | hmm |
| 20:40 | <_shad> | not bad |
| 20:40 | <mdz> | with 84 days uptime on it |
| 20:40 | <_shad> | ooh :) |
| 20:41 | <mdz> | this driver is shit is all |
| 20:41 | <_shad> | 20:41:02 up 74 days, 20:05, 10 users, load average: 0.34, 0.47, 0.67 |
| 20:41 | <mdz> | bah, don't start |
| 20:41 | <_shad> | hehe |
| 20:41 | <_shad> | I like my uptime :) |
| 20:41 | <mdz> | 8:33pm up 420 days, 5:20, 0 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 |
| 20:41 | <_shad> | fuck off :P |
| 20:41 | <_shad> | that's probably a 486 sitting under your bed |
| 20:41 | <_shad> | hehehe |
| 20:41 | <mdz> | I want to see if that one survives the jiffy overflow |
| 20:41 | <_shad> | :) |
| 20:42 | <_shad> | I hate 8088's... |
| 20:42 | <mdz> | it's running 2.4.2 |
| 20:43 | <_shad> | hmm. I remember the early 2.4.x series being unstable? |
| 20:43 | <_shad> | that's when they went and changed the vm? |
| 20:44 | <mdz> | yeah, those early 2.4 kernels were crap |
| 20:44 | <mdz> | I don't know how this machine survived |
| 20:44 | <_shad> | do you use it much? |
| 20:45 | <mdz> | it was a mail and web server for the first year or so of its life |
| 20:45 | <mdz> | for work |
| 20:45 | <mdz> | I've migrated everything off of it, but I don't want to shut itd own |
| 20:45 | <mdz> | oh man, my desktop is fucked |
| 20:46 | <mdz> | I'm going to have to reboot |
| 20:46 | <_shad> | gah |
| 20:46 | <_shad> | :( |
| 20:46 | <mdz> | I wonder if 2.4.20 is reasonable yet |
| 20:46 | <_shad> | I'm using 2.4.17 still |
| 20:47 | <_shad> | you should use that other machine for irc |
| 20:47 | <_shad> | run screen. heh |
| 20:49 | <mdz> | uh oh...sync() hangs |
| 20:50 | <mdz> | definitely time for a reboot |
| 20:50 | <_shad> | geez :) |
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| 21:19 | <_shad> | better? |
| 21:19 | <Toothpick> | What do I type to create a mythtv account on mysql? |
| 21:21 | <Toothpick> | I installed mysql but have done nothing with it ever. |
| 21:21 | <Toothpick> | apt-get install... |
| 21:26 | <moegreen> | it's on the webpage I sent you earlier |
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| 21:31 | <Toothpick> | it says cd database |
| 21:31 | <Toothpick> | I have no path database |
| 21:32 | <Toothpick> | http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.4 |
| 21:32 | <Toothpick> | it says cd database |
| 21:50 | <moegreen> | the database directory should be off of your mythtv source tree |
| 21:52 | <moegreen> | If you installed mythtv by using the debian packages, they may have created the user for you. |
| 21:58 | <Toothpick> | oh... |
| 22:00 | <Toothpick> | there is a mythtv in /home now |
| 22:20 | <mdz> | Toothpick: just install the debs, they take care of the database setup |
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| 22:48 | <Toothpick> | mdz ok thanks. |
| 22:49 | <Toothpick> | knoppix@clembots:/home/mythtv$ mythtv-setup |
| 22:49 | <Toothpick> | couldn't open db |
| 22:49 | <mdz> | ...knoppix... |
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| 22:52 | <Toothpick> | Setting up mythtv (0.7-12) ... |
| 22:52 | <Toothpick> | DBI connect('host=localhost;database=','root',...) failed: Access denied for user: 'root@localhost' (Using password: YES) at -e line 5 |
| 22:55 | <Justin_> | DBI connect('host=localhost;database=','root',...) |
| 22:55 | <Justin_> | database=' |
| 22:55 | <Justin_> | ? |
| 22:55 | <Toothpick> | I have mysqld running...but no database setup for myth... |
| 22:56 | <mdz> | did it prompt you for the name of the database to use? |
| 22:57 | <Toothpick> | no |
| 22:57 | <Toothpick> | I'll purge and reinstall and see what it says. |
| 22:58 | <Toothpick> | I have done nothing with mysql...just the apt-get install mysql-server and start at boot setting. |
| 22:58 | <Justin_> | it asks for the db username and db password.... |
| 22:59 | <Justin_> | which if you did nothing with mysql should be blank :) |
| 22:59 | <Toothpick> | DBI connect('host=localhost;database=','root',...) failed: Access denied for user: 'root@localhost' (Using password: YES) at -e line 5 |
| 22:59 | <Toothpick> | Can't call method "do" on an undefined value at -e line 6, <> line 1. |
| 22:59 | <Toothpick> | dpkg: error processing mythtv (--configure): |
| 22:59 | <Toothpick> | subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 255 |
| 22:59 | <Toothpick> | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 22:59 | <Toothpick> | mythtv |
| 22:59 | <Toothpick> | That is the error I get. |
| 22:59 | <Toothpick> | when I tried to apt-get install mythtv |
| 23:01 | <Toothpick> | I have no directory called database |
| 23:01 | <Toothpick> | mysql < mc.sql |
| 23:01 | <Toothpick> | (So nowhere to type that command.) |
| 23:04 | <Justin_> | its in /usr/share/mythtv/sql |
| 23:04 | <Justin_> | DBI connect('host=localhost;database=','root',...) failed: Access denied for user: 'root@localhost |
| 23:04 | <Justin_> | is the problem |
| 23:04 | <Justin_> | not mythtv |
| 23:04 | <Justin_> | i just installed the debs a few hours ago, they are fine |
| 23:05 | <Toothpick> | Justin, I have that directory. |
| 23:05 | <Toothpick> | /usr/shar/mythtv/sql |
| 23:05 | <Justin_> | of course you do |
| 23:05 | <Justin_> | you need to fix mysql |
| 23:05 | <Justin_> | /usr/bin/mysqladmin -u root password 'new-password-goes-here' |
| 23:08 | <Toothpick> | ok Justin_ I ran that and gave a password. |
| 23:09 | <mdz> | Toothpick: dpkg-reconfigure --force mythtv |
| 23:10 | <Toothpick> | ok asking what database to hold mythtv data |
| 23:10 | <Toothpick> | mythconverg (keeping default I guess) |
| 23:11 | <mdz> | take the defaults for everything |
| 23:11 | <mdz> | are you running Debian or Knoppix? |
| 23:11 | <Toothpick> | chown: failed to get attributes of `/etc/mythtv/theme.txt': No such file or directory |
| 23:12 | <Toothpick> | I am running knoppix on the hard drive. |
| 23:12 | <Toothpick> | the OSEF remaster |
| 23:12 | <Toothpick> | The one from linux 2003 expo in NY |
| 23:12 | <mdz> | well, the packages have only ever been tested on Debian, and that is really the only place they are expected to work |
| 23:12 | <mdz> | there's nothing wrong with knoppix, but there are things different about it, and I don't expect that all Debian packages will work correctly on Knoppix |
| 23:13 | <mdz> | did your mysql come from knoppix or debian? |
| 23:13 | <Toothpick> | unstable |
| 23:13 | <Toothpick> | I didn't have it.. |
| 23:13 | <Toothpick> | had to apt-get install |
| 23:13 | <Toothpick> | apt-get install mysql-server |
| 23:14 | <mdz> | did you set a mysql root password after you installed it? |
| 23:14 | <Toothpick> | yes |
| 23:14 | <mdz> | and did you enter the same password when mythtv asked for the mysql root password? |
| 23:16 | <Toothpick> | yes |
| 23:17 | <bigguy> | its been a slow weekend on the list |
| 23:19 | <Toothpick> | maybe I should reinstall mysql-server and change its password |
| 23:19 | <Toothpick> | as root that shouldn't be too ahrd. |
| 23:23 | <mdz> | mysql -u root -p mysql |
| 23:24 | <mdz> | and then enter the password that you think is correct |
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| 23:36 | <Toothpick> | ok that brought me to something |
| 23:36 | <Toothpick> | Welcome to the MySQL monitor. Commands end with ; or \g. |
| 23:36 | <Toothpick> | Your MySQL connection id is 7 to server version: 3.23.55-log |
| 23:36 | <Toothpick> | Type 'help;' or '\h' for help. Type '\c' to clear the buffer. |
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