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| 10:06 | -!- | Topic for #mythtv is MythTV - http://mythtv.org/ - PVR for linux |
| 10:06 | -!- | Topic for #mythtv set by Justin_ at Wed Feb 5 02:54:03 |
| 10:07 | <mdz_> | Chutt: could you please not have mailman mangle my reply-to headers? nobody listens to mail-followup-to in the real world, so that is the only way to direct followups |
| 10:08 | <Chutt> | you know how to configure it to do that? |
| 10:09 | <mdz_> | not offhand, but I understand there is documentation |
| 10:10 | <mdz_> | according to the docs, the setting is labeled "Where are replies to list messages directed? Poster is strongly recommended for most mailing lists." |
| 10:11 | <Chutt> | right |
| 10:11 | <Chutt> | i don't like that, since it encourages replys to be sent off-list |
| 10:11 | <mdz_> | right, it should leave the damn header alone |
| 10:11 | <Chutt> | no |
| 10:11 | <Chutt> | leaving it alone means people will send replys off list |
| 10:12 | <Chutt> | or if they hit reply to all, will send both off list and to the list |
| 10:12 | <Chutt> | which sucks |
| 10:12 | <mdz_> | only if they are stupid, in which case that is a feature |
| 10:12 | <Chutt> | you've seen the level of intelligence on my mailing list :p |
| 10:13 | <mdz_> | lots of traffic on -users apparently |
| 10:13 | <Chutt> | less than -dev, still |
| 10:17 | <mdz_> | well, the last two all-in-wonder threads went to -users |
| 10:17 | <mdz_> | and that is a big step |
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| 10:50 | <poptix> | mdz_: so that guy actually sent you source code eh? |
| 10:50 | <mdz_> | poptix: yep...kinda shady though |
| 10:51 | <poptix> | how so? |
| 10:54 | <mdz_> | well, for one thing he will only reply to me off-list |
| 10:54 | <mdz_> | he doesn't seem to want people to know that he did it |
| 10:55 | <poptix> | sneaky |
| 10:55 | <poptix> | any license present in the source code? |
| 10:56 | <rkulagow> | i was wondering the same thing. if it's not a secret, then why not give it to the V4L people to incorporate into the kernel? |
| 10:57 | <Chutt> | and it's not like it's _that_ big of a deal |
| 10:57 | <Chutt> | dscaler has a gpl'd driver for it, that could be adapted with some work to linux |
| 10:57 | <Chutt> | and the bttv guy's said he has all the docs he needs to write a driver |
| 10:58 | <mdz_> | I'm asking him for confirmation on the licensing that's in the material |
| 10:58 | <rkulagow> | right, but if you've got a drop-in replacement and it's ready to go, then no need to spend cycles on writing your own. (adapting the GPL'ed dscaler driver would still take time, wouldn't it?) |
| 10:58 | <Chutt> | rkulagow, right |
| 10:59 | <Chutt> | but it's not like lindows is the only people that can do the thing, so there's no reason for him to be secretive about it |
| 11:03 | <mdz_> | this thing has no chance of getting into the kernel as-is |
| 11:03 | <mdz_> | so hopefully the btttv guy can write something |
| 11:03 | <Chutt> | well |
| 11:03 | <Chutt> | could it be cleaned up? |
| 11:04 | <Chutt> | those cards should look better than the old bt8x8 stuff, from what i've read =) |
| 11:04 | <mdz_> | anything can be cleaned up, I guess |
| 11:04 | <mdz_> | dunno whether it's less work |
| 11:05 | <mdz_> | it's huge |
| 11:05 | <mdz_> | 12k line diff |
| 11:05 | <mdz_> | adds about 50 files |
| 11:06 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 11:06 | <Chutt> | does it look windows drivery-ish? |
| 11:06 | <mdz_> | has MODULE_LICENSE("GPL") code #including super-duper secret header files saying "all rights reserved blah blah" which define a couple of constants |
| 11:06 | <mdz_> | yeah, DWORD all over the place and what not |
| 11:07 | <mdz_> | even hungarian notation in some places |
| 11:07 | <mdz_> | very windowsish |
| 11:10 | <Chutt> | probably just did a quick and dirty port of the windows driver =) |
| 11:12 | <poptix> | i don't mind that |
| 11:12 | <poptix> | if $company is willing to give us that much, it's much better than nothing |
| 11:13 | <poptix> | we don't necessarily need these companies to spend money paying someone to write a bad linux driver |
| 11:14 | <Chutt> | as long as it's gpl'd so people can fix it and stuff |
| 11:14 | <poptix> | right |
| 11:14 | <mdz_> | a bad driver is better than bad documentation |
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| 15:44 | <rkulagow> | chutt, mdz: i've gone through mythbackend, and I see the isLocal routine and local parameter. Chutt, do you even want a check for full duplex anywhere in the code? if not, i won't. if yes, do you prefer it to be in the frontend or the backend? |
| 15:44 | <Chutt> | backend's fine |
| 15:44 | <Chutt> | as long as it's only checking when it needs to be |
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| 15:51 | <rkulagow> | i'm trying to think of the conditions then. it's important that the card is full duplex if: frontend and backend are on the same box _and_ if the audiodevice in capturecard ==audiooutput device in settings. sounds about right? |
| 15:51 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 15:52 | <rkulagow> | would it be ok to add the check once the frontend connects? right now, the code was just stepping through the database during the setupTV phase. |
| 15:59 | <d_low> | hi guys |
| 15:59 | <d_low> | are ati all in wonder cards supported? |
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| 16:04 | <Chutt> | d_low, no, they're not. |
| 16:06 | <d_low> | k |
| 16:06 | <d_low> | a matrox g400 would be best correct? |
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| 16:13 | <TheAsp> | That BT IS with debugging... |
| 16:13 | <TheAsp> | DAMNIT. |
| 16:14 | <TheAsp> | oh, that wasnt my message |
| 16:14 | <TheAsp> | nm |
| 16:14 | <TheAsp> | (ignore above :P) |
| 16:14 | <TheAsp> | hey, where is my message? |
| 16:17 | <TheAsp> | damnit! i'm subbed with my other domain... |
| 16:23 | <d_low> | umm |
| 16:23 | <d_low> | right |
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| 16:30 | <TheAsp> | shush, im tired |
| 16:30 | <TheAsp> | :P |
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| 20:51 | <d_low> | do all g400 single head cardws have tv out capability? or just certain models? |
| 20:55 | <Soopaman> | american idol is cool :) |
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| 21:02 | <d_low> | do all g400 single head cardws have tv out capability? or just certain models? |
| 21:12 | <vektor> | You mean dual head cards? |
| 21:12 | <vektor> | Or what? |
| 21:15 | <Universe> | vektor... he just likes to repeat himself... He really doesn't want it answered. |
| 21:16 | <vektor> | ah ok. |
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| 22:09 | <d_low> | wtf ever |
| 22:09 | <d_low> | i had to leave |
| 22:09 | <d_low> | not my fault it took you guys 3 hours to answer |
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| 22:17 | <vektor> | uh... |
| 22:18 | <vektor> | [08:51pm] <d_low> do all g400 single head cardws have tv out capability? or just certain models? |
| 22:18 | <vektor> | [09:02pm] <d_low> do all g400 single head cardws have tv out capability? or just certain models? |
| 22:18 | <vektor> | [09:12pm] <vektor> You mean dual head cards? |
| 22:18 | <vektor> | so i was 20 minutes late from his first question, and 10 minutes late from his second question. |
| 22:18 | <vektor> | oh, and i missed him coming back by another 10 mintues. |
| 22:18 | <vektor> | jeez.. |
| 22:21 | <TheAsp> | wouldn't #ati be the proper place for that? |
| 22:21 | <TheAsp> | :) |
| 22:21 | <vektor> | No, the G400 is a Matrox card. |
| 22:21 | <TheAsp> | whatever |
| 22:21 | <TheAsp> | :P |
| 22:21 | <vektor> | ;) |
| 22:22 | <TheAsp> | i need to get an rf modulator |
| 22:22 | <vektor> | Can't modulate it by hand? |
| 22:23 | <vektor> | Jeez, people are so lazy these days. |
| 22:23 | <TheAsp> | heh |
| 22:23 | <TheAsp> | it's just so i can watch stuff from my bed |
| 22:23 | <TheAsp> | :P |
| 22:23 | * TheAsp | blames chutt |
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| 23:09 | <kuwanger> | Well, too late now. :( |
| 23:10 | <bigguy> | hmm |
| 23:10 | <bigguy> | too late for what? |
| 23:11 | <kuwanger> | For future reference, how can I core dump mythfrontend or whatever if/when it goes psychotic? |
| 23:11 | <bigguy> | heh dunno |
| 23:11 | * kuwanger | was trying to use ssh to login remotely to his machine to see if he could figure out why it had more or less locked up. |
| 23:11 | <bigguy> | me == not runnig mythtv |
| 23:11 | <kuwanger> | I noticed whoami running a lot and mythfrontend. |
| 23:12 | <kuwanger> | Last measurement I took, mythfrontend was using 800MB RSS, 1285MB Virtual. |
| 23:12 | <kuwanger> | But, then my ssh connection basically froze, so I had to kill mythfrontend. |
| 23:40 | <kuwanger> | Well, later then. |
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