| 00:14 | <Soopaman> | oop |
| 00:14 | <Soopaman> | s |
| 00:14 | <Soopaman> | i meant fs for mythtv |
| 00:15 | <bigguy> | well ext2/3/xfs and some like reiserfs so its all up to you |
| 00:15 | <Soopaman> | is there a site that explains the differences between the fs'? |
| 00:16 | <bigguy> | I haven't personally run xfs but I've had no problems with ext3 or reiserfs |
| 00:16 | <bigguy> | I dunno tried google? |
| 00:16 | <Soopaman> | will now, was hoping to find some educated opinions before websearching |
| 00:17 | <bigguy> | heh |
| 00:17 | <bigguy> | I dunno the differences really. I've heard that reiserfs is great for working with small files |
| 00:17 | <bigguy> | all I know is it works for me |
| 00:18 | <bigguy> | but for myth fs shouldn't really be a problem |
| 00:18 | <bigguy> | as long as you make sure dma is enabled on your harddrives and possibly put the myth store on a different disk than the OS |
| 00:20 | <bigguy> | http://aurora.zemris.fer.hr/filesystems/ |
| 00:20 | <Soopaman> | thanx |
| 00:21 | <bigguy> | thats a little old but its a good starting point |
| 00:22 | <bigguy> | looks like ext3 or ext2 from that data |
| 00:23 | <bigguy> | followed by reiserfs |
| 00:50 | <JonnyRo> | Does anyone here have an ati TV Wonder VE? |
| 00:51 | <JonnyRo> | I cant capture audio using mplayer |
| 00:53 | <bigguy> | audio from the card itself or from the line in of the sound card? |
| 00:54 | <JonnyRo> | i have tried doing both |
| 00:54 | <JonnyRo> | and i can do neither |
| 00:54 | <JonnyRo> | i am using alsa |
| 00:55 | <JonnyRo> | i tried the btaudio module to record directly from the card |
| 00:55 | <bigguy> | hmm weird what sound card? |
| 00:55 | <JonnyRo> | Sound Blaster Live |
| 00:55 | <JonnyRo> | it's plugged into the Line port |
| 00:55 | <JonnyRo> | it's wierd because I can hear the audio |
| 00:55 | <bigguy> | I don't think the VE has btaudio support |
| 00:55 | <JonnyRo> | thorugh the headphones |
| 00:55 | <JonnyRo> | but when i try to record, i get nothing |
| 00:55 | <bigguy> | the VE being the cheaper ATI tv tunert |
| 00:56 | <JonnyRo> | yes |
| 00:56 | <bigguy> | what version of ALSA? |
| 00:56 | <JonnyRo> | 0.9 |
| 00:57 | <bigguy> | 0.9rc7? |
| 00:57 | <JonnyRo> | 0.9 r6 |
| 00:57 | <bigguy> | try rc7 |
| 00:57 | <bigguy> | I heard r6 had some issues with sb cards but they might have been fixed |
| 00:58 | <bigguy> | if not try the creative drivers |
| 00:58 | <JonnyRo> | How are the creative drivers? |
| 00:58 | <JonnyRo> | are they OSS style? |
| 00:59 | <bigguy> | yeah they are OSS |
| 00:59 | <JonnyRo> | i love gentoo linux, all it took to update was : ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" emerge alsa-driver |
| 00:59 | <JonnyRo> | to get alsa 0.9rc7 |
| 00:59 | <JonnyRo> | it's compiling now |
| 01:00 | <bigguy> | yeah yeah gentoo is wonderful for broadband users |
| 01:00 | <bigguy> | I like my debian tho :P |
| 01:00 | <JonnyRo> | no doubt, gentoo uses insane amounts of bandwidth |
| 01:00 | <JonnyRo> | to install stuff |
| 01:02 | <bigguy> | course I have one bastardized box that began life as debian and is now some evil step brother ;) |
| 01:02 | <JonnyRo> | heh |
| 01:02 | <JonnyRo> | i went through that with redhat 7.2 |
| 01:03 | <JonnyRo> | i finally had to switch |
| 01:03 | <JonnyRo> | when packages stopped working after kernel upgrades |
| 01:03 | <bigguy> | oh I haven't used redhat in eons |
| 01:03 | <JonnyRo> | how does debian work, is there one version that is continuously updated? |
| 01:03 | <bigguy> | and I really only used it on one machine |
| 01:03 | <JonnyRo> | or do they release seperate versions, redhat style |
| 01:04 | <bigguy> | they don't release as often |
| 01:04 | <bigguy> | they now have three branches stable testing and unstable |
| 01:04 | <JonnyRo> | gotcha |
| 01:05 | <JonnyRo> | i like gentoo because i'm a feature freek, i always have to have the latest and the greatest, and most of the gentoo e-build (packages) developers are the same way |
| 01:05 | <bigguy> | If I want ports I'll stick with my openbsd machine ;) |
| 01:06 | <bigguy> | well debian unstable is where its at if you are that way ;) |
| 01:06 | <JonnyRo> | When I got my ATI TV Tuner though, i expected a much simpler mythtv install |
| 01:06 | <JonnyRo> | it took forever to get the damn thing working |
| 01:06 | <JonnyRo> | now it's working, but the audio is coming through the LineIn |
| 01:06 | <JonnyRo> | and for some reason i cant capture it |
| 01:07 | <bigguy> | hmm you have to set the line in as capture in alsa mixer I think |
| 01:07 | <bigguy> | I dunno for a fact I just follow the lists |
| 01:07 | <JonnyRo> | I tried that |
| 01:07 | <JonnyRo> | and it did nothing |
| 01:07 | <bigguy> | I'm not an actual myth user |
| 01:07 | <JonnyRo> | What do you use to record stuff? |
| 01:07 | <bigguy> | but I've known Chutt aka Isaac for a while |
| 01:08 | <bigguy> | JonnyRo: heh I only get like 3 channels here |
| 01:08 | <JonnyRo> | bummer |
| 01:08 | <bigguy> | when I was living with my cousin I was gonna build a machine for myth since he has dish |
| 01:09 | <bigguy> | but until I can afford dish or directv I'll stay mythless |
| 01:12 | <JonnyRo> | do many people use myth with dvb recievers? |
| 01:15 | <bigguy> | dvb is dish/direct right? |
| 01:15 | <bigguy> | if so then yes |
| 01:18 | <JonnyRo> | yea it is |
| 01:19 | <bigguy> | there are even some scripts for changing the channels on recievers equiped with "low speed data" ports eg serial |
| 01:20 | * Soopaman | loves his solid state computers |
| 01:20 | <JonnyRo> | heh |
| 01:20 | <Soopaman> | makes this laptop sound incredibly loud |
| 01:21 | <bigguy> | you know I guess I'm just a freak but fan sounds don't really bother me |
| 01:21 | <bigguy> | I like sleeping with a fan on |
| 01:22 | <Soopaman> | you should keep a case-less xp1800+ with a retail hsf a few feet from your bed |
| 01:22 | <Soopaman> | and see if you still feel the same |
| 01:22 | <bigguy> | I've done that |
| 01:22 | <bigguy> | wiht a nice 36cfm 60mm screamer |
| 01:22 | <Soopaman> | and you like it? |
| 01:22 | <bigguy> | I slept like a baby |
| 01:22 | <Soopaman> | heheh |
| 01:22 | <Soopaman> | i can only take a few days of it |
| 01:23 | <Soopaman> | before i start bannering it |
| 01:23 | <Soopaman> | aka hulk if you didn't get the analogy |
| 01:23 | <bigguy> | well actually better than a baby cause baby's have very intermentent sleep patterns |
| 01:24 | <Soopaman> | heh |
| 01:25 | <bigguy> | there is a rail road track extremely close to our land and they always wait till they get near to blow the horns |
| 01:25 | <bigguy> | I sleep through them also |
| 01:25 | <Soopaman> | do you sleep through massacres and oil mining too? |
| 01:25 | <bigguy> | I had to buy the loudest alarm clock they make just to wake me up on days I have to get up early |
| 01:26 | <bigguy> | I have great hearing its just selective hearing I guess ;) |
| 01:26 | <bigguy> | atleast where sleep is concerned |
| 01:28 | <bigguy> | course my main rig here is alot quieter than most even tho it is an Athlon XP 2000+ based machine |
| 01:28 | <Soopaman> | nice |
| 01:28 | <Soopaman> | how many boxes you go up and going? |
| 01:28 | <bigguy> | well I have a ton of boxen but I've only got 3 running right now not including the gateway |
| 01:29 | <Soopaman> | cool |
| 01:29 | <bigguy> | I recently moved back home and so I was only using my main machine until the other day |
| 01:29 | <Soopaman> | you do much compiling on any of your boxes? |
| 01:30 | <bigguy> | some |
| 01:30 | <bigguy> | not much if I can help it anymore |
| 01:30 | <bigguy> | It can get hairy |
| 01:30 | <bigguy> | I did LFS before LFS existed ;) |
| 01:34 | <bigguy> | my custom dist was BigLinux (very original) ;) got up to release 3.14 before I switched to debian |
| 01:34 | <bigguy> | course I used slackmare for a while on some machines and played with one release of redcrap also |
| 01:35 | <bigguy> | along with many other distros along the way |
| 01:38 | <bigguy> | course oct 92 is a long time to play with linux |
| 01:39 | <bigguy> | anyway I'm getting tired guess I'll go crank some fans up and lay down |
| 01:39 | <bigguy> | afk |
| 01:54 | <Soopaman> | heh |
| 01:54 | <Soopaman> | nite |
| 01:54 | <Soopaman> | p.s. i just started my own dist |
| 01:55 | <Soopaman> | well have been playin with it for about a year now... i hope to bring it live this summer |
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| 14:18 | <mdz> | whoa, that guy on the list has a 1000GHz CPU |
| 14:18 | <Chutt> | yes, it's very impressive |
| 14:19 | <mdz> | I bet video encoding hardly takes any CPU at all |
| 14:19 | <mdz> | I bet it gets hot though |
| 14:20 | <Chutt> | it's water cooled |
| 14:20 | <Chutt> | i bet |
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| 15:20 | <Chutt> | hmm |
| 15:24 | <rkulagow> | chutt, are you here? |
| 15:24 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 15:25 | <rkulagow> | chutt, i'm going to mail you that patch for checking duplex. i think it does what you want. |
| 15:27 | <Chutt> | great |
| 15:28 | <Chutt> | i'm forwarding you a doc note i got this morning |
| 15:31 | <rkulagow> | sounds good. |
| 15:31 | <rkulagow> | OK, sent it to your cwru account. |
| 15:32 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 15:32 | <Chutt> | that looks fine |
| 15:32 | <Chutt> | i'll add it in, but i'll probably stick it all in a separate function |
| 15:32 | <Chutt> | just to make it a little more readable |
| 15:32 | <rkulagow> | thanks. |
| 15:34 | <Chutt> | hmm |
| 15:34 | <Chutt> | actually |
| 15:34 | <rkulagow> | did i miss something? |
| 15:34 | <Chutt> | the "SELECT audiodevice FROM capturecard;" |
| 15:34 | <Chutt> | doesn't handle multiple tuner cards |
| 15:34 | <rkulagow> | (i was thinking about symlinks and devfs, actually) |
| 15:35 | <rkulagow> | ah. that's the problem with developing when you have only one capture card. |
| 15:35 | <Chutt> | it just uses the first audio device in the list |
| 15:35 | <Chutt> | add it to the ringbuffer startup |
| 15:35 | <Chutt> | that way, you know which encoder card it's using |
| 15:35 | <Chutt> | instead of the playback socket |
| 15:37 | <Chutt> | see what i mean/ |
| 15:37 | <rkulagow> | let me take a look at the code |
| 15:38 | <Chutt> | right now, you're doing the check when it sets up a playback sock |
| 15:38 | <Chutt> | if you move that down 5 lines or so to where it sets up a remote ringbuffer sock |
| 15:38 | <Chutt> | you'll know which recorder it's using |
| 15:38 | <rkulagow> | right, that's where i'm looking now |
| 15:38 | <Chutt> | might have to write something like isLocal, but... |
| 15:40 | <Chutt> | oh, no, encoderlink has an isLocal() as well |
| 16:09 | <Chutt> | the mailing list should break 700 people on it soon |
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| 17:35 | <mdz> | nice, current CVS progfind.cpp causes g++-2.95 to get an ICE |
| 17:36 | <mdz> | line 1249 |
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| 18:01 | <bigguy> | wtf is Henk Poley? I've never seen patchs or anything from him yet he takes it upon himself to contact the MeshAP guy as if he has been sent out by myth developers in search of something |
| 18:01 | <bigguy> | I mean it sounded to me like he's trying to make this a somewhat commercial endevour |
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| 18:35 | <Chutt> | mdz, noticed that as well |
| 18:35 | <Chutt> | mdz, no idea what's causing it, haven't had time to look into it more |
| 18:35 | <mdz> | Chutt: still using 2.95 somewhere? |
| 18:35 | <Chutt> | yeah, my p3-550 |
| 18:35 | <mdz> | heh |
| 18:36 | <Chutt> | so it takes an age to compile things |
| 18:36 | <mdz> | probably an optimizer thing |
| 18:36 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 18:36 | <mdz> | it seems to like 1244 fine, which is almost the same thing |
| 18:36 | <Chutt> | i really should just drop the optimizations on files that don't need them |
| 18:38 | <mdz> | does qmake let you do that easily on a per-file basis? |
| 18:38 | <Chutt> | i don't know |
| 18:39 | <Chutt> | probably not |
| 18:39 | <mdz> | yep, with -O0 it doesn't happen |
| 18:39 | <mdz> | nor -O1 |
| 18:40 | <mdz> | only -O2 or above |
| 18:40 | <Chutt> | it's still broken at O2? |
| 18:40 | <mdz> | yeah, you pretty much want -O2 on everything |
| 18:40 | <mdz> | so it'd still break if you disabled the excessive optimizations |
| 18:41 | <mdz> | oh, I lied |
| 18:41 | <mdz> | plain -O2 it doesn't break, only -O2 combined with some or all of the -f options |
| 18:42 | <Chutt> | hmm |
| 18:42 | <Chutt> | i didn't change anything |
| 18:42 | <Chutt> | and now it's compiling fine |
| 18:42 | <Chutt> | with all the opts |
| 18:42 | <Chutt> | and it wasn't yesterday |
| 18:42 | <mdz> | -finline-functions breaks it here |
| 18:42 | <Chutt> | hmm |
| 18:42 | <Chutt> | ya know |
| 18:42 | <Chutt> | just remove that from settings.pro |
| 18:42 | <Chutt> | i won't mind =) |
| 18:43 | <mdz> | done |
| 18:44 | <Chutt> | there's really no reason for it, the compiler should be inlining things as its sees fit anyway |
| 18:44 | <Chutt> | and a bunch of stuff is already specifically marked as inline |
| 18:44 | <mdz> | yep |
| 18:45 | <mdz> | -O3+ is supposed to turn on -finline-functions anyway |
| 18:45 | <mdz> | at least in 3.2 |
| 18:46 | <Chutt> | "You could use a file in /tmp to set the current channel and poll that 10 times/sec." |
| 18:47 | <mdz> | hehehe |
| 18:47 | <Chutt> | "Right. That is why the right way to do "pause live tv" is that the buffering does not happen until the user actually presses pause." |
| 18:47 | <mdz> | is this from -users? |
| 18:47 | <Chutt> | the first is the main freevo guy |
| 18:48 | <Chutt> | the second is the main developer from the dead openpvr project, who now works on freevo |
| 18:48 | <mdz> | wow |
| 18:48 | <poptix> | uhg |
| 18:48 | <poptix> | the freevo people have no idea what they're doing |
| 18:48 | <Chutt> | i like reading the freevo list |
| 18:48 | <Chutt> | it's fun |
| 18:48 | <poptix> | what happens when you want to rewind? |
| 18:49 | <Chutt> | poptix, you don't, apparently =) |
| 18:49 | <Chutt> | they're discussing using mp1e now |
| 18:49 | <poptix> | i gave up on those people |
| 18:49 | <poptix> | they all seem to be obsessed with proving that python can actually do something useful |
| 18:49 | <Chutt> | python's perfectly fine for what they're using it for |
| 18:50 | <poptix> | yes, it is |
| 18:50 | <poptix> | Tcl would be fine for what they're doing =p |
| 18:51 | <poptix> | i could also whip up a bash script to shell out of all the different programs as well. |
| 18:51 | <Chutt> | mdz, so, shall i add some anti debian code to mythtv? |
| 18:51 | <Chutt> | =) |
| 18:51 | <vektor> | Chutt: you're following the micq thread? |
| 18:52 | <vektor> | gabu's response was bang on |
| 18:52 | <Chutt> | yeah, it's hilarious |
| 18:52 | <vektor> | fucking awesome |
| 18:52 | <Chutt> | gabu's a moron, though |
| 18:52 | <vektor> | total moron |
| 18:52 | <vektor> | but |
| 18:52 | <vektor> | he totally raises exactly the point that should be brought forward |
| 18:52 | <vektor> | everyone is neglecting the fact that the upstream was being completely ignored |
| 18:52 | <vektor> | in his pleas to solve the problem |
| 18:52 | <mdz> | gaw |
| 18:52 | <vektor> | and he felt he could do nothing but try and show this is a problem to all of the users of those packages |
| 18:52 | <Chutt> | yea yea |
| 18:53 | <mdz> | he felt this, he felt that |
| 18:53 | <vektor> | like basically debian is showing how much they don't give a fuck about upstream's wishes |
| 18:53 | <Chutt> | i don't like the response on d-d |
| 18:53 | <poptix> | feel the love. |
| 18:53 | <mdz> | he didn't send a note to debian-devel asking what to do about it |
| 18:53 | <vektor> | Chutt: me neither. |
| 18:53 | <vektor> | mdz: uh, yes he did |
| 18:53 | <Chutt> | mdz, a bug report should've been enough, imo |
| 18:53 | <vektor> | mdz: you didn't read that? |
| 18:53 | <mdz> | Chutt: a bug report only goes to the maintainer, which is who he needed to go around |
| 18:53 | <Chutt> | vektor, that code's been in there since before he sent anything to d-d |
| 18:53 | <Chutt> | mdz, right, but he shouldn't have to go around it |
| 18:53 | <mdz> | vektor: if it was in the stupid, long, pointless thread about _Qt_, then no, I did not |
| 18:54 | <Chutt> | someone unfamiliar with debian wouldn't know what to do |
| 18:54 | <mdz> | Chutt: it's sure to happen from time to time; if it isn't brought to anyone else's attention, then nothing can be done about it |
| 18:54 | <vektor> | mdz: it was :) |
| 18:54 | <vektor> | but it had the proper subject |
| 18:54 | <vektor> | Subject: mICQ packaging (was: Re: On the matter of Qt packaging) |
| 18:54 | <Chutt> | and, honestly, he probably would've been laughed at if he posted anything to d-d |
| 18:54 | <vektor> | Message-ID: <20030207020800.GC17431@o112.hadiko.de> |
| 18:54 | <Chutt> | "hi, this guy's fucking up my software" |
| 18:54 | <vektor> | Chutt: yep. |
| 18:54 | <vektor> | exactly. |
| 18:54 | <vektor> | i mean d-d showed exactly the same attitude to gabu+arpi re:mplayer |
| 18:54 | <mdz> | the maintainer in question isn't even a registered developer; it would be nothing at all to stop sponsoring his package |
| 18:55 | <Chutt> | vektor, the code in question's been in there for over a month |
| 18:55 | <vektor> | we don't give a fuck what you want, we'll package a mangled version if we feel that's the right thing to do. |
| 18:55 | <Chutt> | vektor, that thread is only recently |
| 18:55 | <mdz> | vektor: Debian has never had mplayer, that is completely different |
| 18:55 | <Chutt> | what he did was wrong |
| 18:55 | <vektor> | Chutt: ok i hadn't thought of that. |
| 18:55 | <vektor> | mdz: no but it's sorta the same. |
| 18:55 | <Chutt> | but the entire situation shouldn'tve come up |
| 18:55 | <mdz> | vektor: they were mad at marillat, who packaged his own stuff unofficially, and had nothing to do with Debian the organization |
| 18:55 | <Chutt> | and that's all there is to it, really |
| 18:55 | <mdz> | vektor: and they transferred that to Debian, which was wrong |
| 18:56 | <vektor> | mdz: they were also pissed that ppl keep saying xine is in debian, why isn't mplayer. |
| 18:56 | <mdz> | it shouldn't have come up, I agree |
| 18:56 | <Chutt> | i'm glad i've only dealt with decent maintainers =) |
| 18:56 | <mdz> | vektor: that is a pretty clear inconsistency, I agree |
| 18:56 | <vektor> | heh |
| 18:56 | <vektor> | mdz: which is completely ignored as most d-d subscribers just bash the mplayer developers |
| 18:56 | <Chutt> | snowman, bma, and now mdz |
| 18:56 | <vektor> | and their app |
| 18:56 | <mdz> | vektor: but they don't _want_ mplayer in debian, so I don't see why they're complaining |
| 18:57 | <mdz> | madkiss is not a developer, and maybe won't be after all this scandal |
| 18:57 | <vektor> | mdz: because their users are complaining, they want the issue clarified. |
| 18:57 | <mdz> | both Qt and mICQ in the same month |
| 18:57 | <vektor> | but anyway |
| 18:57 | <Chutt> | i just think it's all funny |
| 18:57 | <vektor> | it's soo funny |
| 18:57 | <Chutt> | mdz, naw, he'll be a developer |
| 18:57 | <vektor> | we've had a great laugh at school about it |
| 18:57 | <Chutt> | mdz, but the micq guy's tarnished his reputation forever! |
| 18:58 | <mdz> | heh |
| 18:58 | <vektor> | debian should package less officially |
| 18:58 | <vektor> | imho |
| 18:58 | <mdz> | both the micq guy and the maintainer are in the n-m queue |
| 18:58 | <mdz> | they will be there forever now |
| 18:58 | <mdz> | vektor: what do you mean? |
| 18:58 | <Chutt> | the micq guy just wants to package his own stuff properly |
| 18:58 | <mdz> | have fewer packages you mean? |
| 18:58 | <vektor> | mdz: actually i'd like to get your opinoin on this but i don't really want to spam this channel more :) |
| 18:59 | <vektor> | mdz: priv msg or #debian-bitching ? |
| 18:59 | <mdz> | vektor: wherever then |
| 18:59 | <vektor> | #debian-bitching :) |
| 18:59 | <Chutt> | sweet |
| 18:59 | <bigguy> | ooo can I come? |
| 18:59 | <Chutt> | the postprocess lib's moving into libavcodec |
| 19:00 | <bigguy> | guess I must be lagged |
| 19:02 | <Chutt> | hmm |
| 19:03 | <Chutt> | i suppose i should spend time with my wife |
| 19:05 | <bigguy> | might be a good idea |
| 19:05 | <bigguy> | :) |
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