| 00:27 | <PeteCool> | CVS cable? the kind that changes every hour or so? :p |
| 00:27 | <PeteCool> | why would they offset it, anyway? |
| 00:35 | <rcaskey> | pete: not sure |
| 00:35 | <rcaskey> | but they do |
| 00:35 | <rcaskey> | I had to fix this before |
| 00:35 | <rcaskey> | and forgot the name |
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| 00:42 | <orangey> | hey guys! |
| 00:42 | <orangey> | is something up with the CVS server? |
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| 00:45 | <Captain_Murdoch> | anyone here? |
| 00:46 | <Captain_Murdoch> | or more to the point, anyone here running the latest CVS? |
| 00:50 | <orangey> | Captain_Murdoch: I kinda am. |
| 00:50 | <orangey> | what's up? |
| 00:52 | <Captain_Murdoch> | I'm the guy who's been posting the commercial skip patches to the dev list and I'm seeing segfaults sometimes and was wondering if anyone else was with the latest CVS. I see them occasionally even if I don't use the commercial skip feature. |
| 00:52 | <orangey> | I think we all suffer from the occasional seg faults.. |
| 00:53 | <orangey> | congrats on the great work, btw. |
| 00:53 | <orangey> | in other news, can you update your CVS at the mo ment? |
| 00:53 | <Captain_Murdoch> | these are reproduceable though, I think a buffer is being freed twice somewhere but don't know much about libavcoded to make sure. |
| 00:53 | <orangey> | Mine keeps "hanging" and I'm trying to figure out why.. |
| 00:53 | <Captain_Murdoch> | I just updated a few minutes ago. |
| 00:53 | <orangey> | Captain_Murdoch: if it's reproducable, just report it along with the trace. |
| 00:54 | <Captain_Murdoch> | just reupdated and it worked fine. |
| 00:54 | <orangey> | I can't update either from my main linux system or this one.. |
| 00:54 | <orangey> | though they both use the same net connection, so that *may* be related.. |
| 00:54 | <orangey> | just gonna reboot.. brb. |
| 02:00 | * bigguy | is [away -={ SLEEP }=- ] |
| 02:01 | <bigguy> | night all |
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| 02:09 | <orangey> | hey guys! |
| 02:09 | <orangey> | anyone alive? : ) |
| 02:10 | <orangey> | I'm just wondering a bit about backend/frontend separated machines.. does mythbackend have to run on each and every one? |
| 02:16 | <Captain_Murdoch> | mythbackend only needs to run on the server. v0.8 will support running multiple mythbackend servers though with one being the master. all mythbackend servers will be able to record. |
| 02:17 | <orangey> | Captain_Murdoch: OK, well, how do I get my frontend to connect, then? |
| 02:17 | <orangey> | [root@localhost setup]# mythfrontend 169.254.0.1:6543 |
| 02:17 | <orangey> | connecting to backend server: localhost:6543 |
| 02:17 | <orangey> | Could not connect to backend server |
| 02:17 | <orangey> | which is fine, since my server is actually on 169.254.0.1 |
| 02:17 | <orangey> | but hwo do I get it to try to connect to 169.254.0.1? |
| 02:29 | <orangey> | Dear god. Do I *really* have to hard-code the change in IP? |
| 02:32 | <orangey> | captain_Murdoch? |
| 02:42 | <Captain_Murdoch> | sorry, was off coding... :) you have to change the source right now I believe. the whole frontend/backend split isn't complete yet. |
| 02:44 | <orangey> | OK, got it.. |
| 02:44 | <orangey> | thank you very much : ) |
| 02:44 | <orangey> | brb.. gotta rebootski |
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| 02:44 | <bigguy> | why |
| 02:44 | <bigguy> | ugh |
| 02:44 | <bigguy> | wtf do people think they have to reboot everytime they change a userland app's config? |
| 02:49 | <Captain_Murdoch> | dunno... |
| 02:49 | <Captain_Murdoch> | are you running current copy of MythTV from CVS? |
| 02:50 | <bigguy> | nope |
| 02:51 | <Captain_Murdoch> | ok, thanks. trying to track down a segfault in it. |
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| 02:51 | <orangey> | hmmm. |
| 02:51 | <orangey> | now the problem seems to be the lack of sound.. |
| 02:52 | <orangey> | is it possible that this is due to sampling rate differences? |
| 02:52 | <orangey> | between the server and client, that is/ |
| 02:52 | <bigguy> | orangey: did you reboot because you recompiled mythtv? |
| 02:53 | <orangey> | bigguy: I rebooted because I just turned off artsd |
| 02:53 | <orangey> | and was having issues with sound. |
| 02:54 | <orangey> | and figured a reboot might help : ) |
| 02:54 | <bigguy> | you don't have to reboot for that |
| 02:54 | <orangey> | but my /dev/dsp is clearly usable. |
| 02:54 | <orangey> | bigguy: I come from a long line of rebooters. |
| 02:54 | <bigguy> | there are very few reasons to reboot |
| 02:54 | <orangey> | my pappy rebooted before me, and his pappy before him. |
| 02:54 | <orangey> | bigguy: In any case, any clues? |
| 02:55 | <bigguy> | I'm not running myth atm |
| 02:55 | <orangey> | I rebooted my main linux server today because it wasn't updating the CVS properly.. |
| 02:55 | <orangey> | and that fixed it. |
| 02:55 | <bigguy> | what sound card do you have? |
| 02:55 | <orangey> | though it was goodbye to my ~ 67 day uptime. |
| 02:55 | <orangey> | this one is some built-in one. |
| 02:55 | <orangey> | ooh! maybe I don't have alsa going on.. brb. |
| 02:55 | <bigguy> | this on the client box right? |
| 02:56 | <orangey> | Yep, it ain't alsa.. |
| 02:56 | <orangey> | yeah, client. |
| 02:56 | <orangey> | maybe alsa will help.. |
| 02:56 | * bigguy | is lagging because of apt-get dist-upgrade'in his box |
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| 02:57 | <bigguy> | I doubt it will, but you can always try |
| 02:57 | <orangey> | well, any ideas you want to toss out are plenty welcome |
| 02:57 | <bigguy> | it might be one of the issues another guy was having because of cheap onboard cards |
| 02:58 | <orangey> | yeah, but why would said cheap onboard card have no trouble with anything else? |
| 02:58 | <orangey> | plus, it's not like this is trying any full duplex action. |
| 02:58 | <orangey> | the only thing I can imagine is some sampling problem.. |
| 02:58 | <bigguy> | because of how myth accesses it? |
| 02:58 | <orangey> | which is how? |
| 02:59 | <bigguy> | the other people that were having problems had something to do with the soundcard reporting back the wrong info to myth. like it had no free "buffers" or something |
| 02:59 | <orangey> | well, no such errors are being reported here.. |
| 02:59 | <orangey> | where would it be reported? |
| 03:00 | <bigguy> | Audio buffer overflow |
| 03:00 | <bigguy> | there was something on the mythtv users list |
| 03:00 | <orangey> | yeah.. it's a long-standing issue.. |
| 03:00 | <orangey> | I'm *relatively* sure that's not it.. |
| 03:01 | <bigguy> | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/perl/mailarc/gforum.cgi?post=50962 |
| 03:02 | <bigguy> | but you get no errors? |
| 03:02 | <orangey> | I dig it. |
| 03:02 | <orangey> | but this really don't look like it. |
| 03:02 | <orangey> | no errors at all. |
| 03:03 | <bigguy> | hmm |
| 03:03 | <bigguy> | weird |
| 03:03 | <bigguy> | try alsa and see if that works |
| 03:03 | <bigguy> | dunno what to tell you |
| 03:03 | <bigguy> | I'm gonna head off to bed |
| 03:04 | <bigguy> | let me know in a message later if that worked |
| 03:04 | <orangey> | yep |
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| 10:28 | <TheAsp> | hey chutt, is there a reason to mess with the PCM volume instead of the master volume? |
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| 12:03 | <PeteCool> | TheAsp: maybe because it won't touch recording volume |
| 12:04 | <TheAsp> | main volume wont... |
| 12:06 | <PeteCool> | well, Chutt says changing the line-in volume when it's set to mute and capture has no effect, but it sure does here on my cmi8738 |
| 12:06 | <PeteCool> | it might depend on the soundcard |
| 12:06 | <TheAsp> | the main volume controls outgoing sound... |
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| 13:26 | <Chutt> | mdz, the il8n guy's probably using qt's built-in stuff, which i believe needs to load external files for the translations |
| 13:26 | <Chutt> | i'm not sure how all it works, though |
| 13:27 | <rcaskey> | Chutt: do you remember what the kind of signal is called where the signals are offset? I wanna say its called CVS Cable. |
| 13:28 | <Chutt> | it's called you're using the wrong tuner type when you load the bttv module =) |
| 13:28 | <rcaskey> | Chutt: not its not, because I fixed it once before :) |
| 13:28 | <rcaskey> | I just forgot the acronym so I cant lookup the offset |
| 13:28 | <Chutt> | yes, it is |
| 13:29 | <TheAsp> | there is hrc, which is offset, but probbaly not what you are talking about |
| 13:29 | <rcaskey> | My cable comes off a satelite feed from my apartment and then it gets fed in |
| 13:29 | <rcaskey> | TheAsp: whats it offset by? |
| 13:29 | <TheAsp> | who cares? |
| 13:29 | <TheAsp> | theres a table |
| 13:29 | <TheAsp> | look it up |
| 13:30 | <Chutt> | if all your channels are offset by one value |
| 13:30 | <Chutt> | you're using the wrong tuner type when you load the bttv/tuner modules. |
| 13:32 | <rcaskey> | Chutt: its offset by 103 hz |
| 13:32 | <Chutt> | exactly |
| 13:32 | <Chutt> | you're using the wrong tuner type when you load the bttv/tuner modules. |
| 13:33 | <TheAsp> | chutt, want a patch to change the main volume instead of pcm? |
| 13:33 | <Chutt> | i'd prefer it to keep touching the pcm volume |
| 13:33 | <rcaskey> | ok, im in debian with a TV Wonder |
| 13:34 | <TheAsp> | bah |
| 13:34 | <TheAsp> | how about an option? |
| 13:34 | <TheAsp> | if my pcm goes > 75% my sound is distorted |
| 13:34 | <TheAsp> | hw flaw |
| 13:35 | <Chutt> | just turn off the volume control and use a receiver |
| 13:35 | <Chutt> | =) |
| 13:35 | <rcaskey> | post-install bttv insmod tuner post-remove bttv rmmod tuner |
| 13:35 | <rcaskey> | those are the two in /etc/modutils/actions |
| 13:35 | * TheAsp | pokes chutt in the ear :P |
| 13:35 | <TheAsp> | rcaskey: yay. |
| 13:35 | <Chutt> | rcaskey, which tuner is it loading? |
| 13:35 | <TheAsp> | that has nothing to do with fixing your tuner |
| 13:35 | <rcaskey> | wait hold on |
| 13:35 | <rcaskey> | im chrooted ;) |
| 13:36 | <TheAsp> | chutt: most desktop stuff only changes the main volume :) |
| 13:36 | <Chutt> | theasp, that's bad practice |
| 13:36 | <TheAsp> | i'd say messing with pcm is bad practice... |
| 13:36 | <Chutt> | why? |
| 13:36 | <Chutt> | that's what you're outputting |
| 13:36 | <Chutt> | you shouldn't be modifiying _everything_ |
| 13:36 | <Chutt> | just what you're using |
| 13:36 | <TheAsp> | because it's not what most people will expect.... |
| 13:38 | <rcaskey> | tuner bttv i2c-core i2c-algo-bit |
| 13:38 | <TheAsp> | pcm is preamp anyway, is it not? |
| 13:38 | <TheAsp> | so messing with it would affect sound quality more then messing with master |
| 13:38 | <TheAsp> | rcaskey: that has nothing to do with what tuner you are using.... dmesg | grep tuner |
| 13:39 | <Chutt> | i don't use the volume control |
| 13:39 | <Chutt> | that's what a receiver is for |
| 13:39 | <rcaskey> | tuner: probing bt848 #0 i2c adapter [id=0x10005] tuner: chip found @ 0xc0 |
| 13:39 | <TheAsp> | actually, | grep i2c-core.o: |
| 13:40 | <TheAsp> | so you are arguing about something that wont even affect you? :) |
| 13:40 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 13:40 | <Chutt> | i believe the current behavior is correct |
| 13:40 | <rcaskey> | i2c-core.o: i2c core module i2c-core.o: adapter bt848 #0 registered as adapter 0. i2c-core.o: driver i2c TV tuner driver registered. i2c-core.o: client [Temic PAL* auto (4006 FN5)] registered to adapter [bt848 #0](pos. 0). |
| 13:40 | <TheAsp> | and you dont want to give people the option? |
| 13:40 | <TheAsp> | rcaskey: are you using PAL or NTSC? |
| 13:40 | <rcaskey> | NTSC |
| 13:40 | <TheAsp> | do you not see a problem? |
| 13:40 | <Chutt> | wow, look at that |
| 13:40 | <Chutt> | you're using the wrong tuner type |
| 13:40 | <Chutt> | amazing |
| 13:41 | <rcaskey> | Chutt: ok, so how do I fix it? |
| 13:41 | <Chutt> | read the bttv docs |
| 13:41 | <Chutt> | or the mailing list |
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| 13:44 | <shad_> | hehe |
| 13:45 | <Chutt> | if you don't like how the volume control stuff, you don't have to use it =) |
| 13:45 | <Chutt> | it's disableable |
| 13:45 | <TheAsp> | it's patchable too :P |
| 13:45 | <Chutt> | too many semi-useless options are bad |
| 13:45 | <TheAsp> | it's a standard option dude... |
| 13:47 | <TheAsp> | hey, mine is already switched, so it's just going to be other people whining about it... |
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| 14:10 | <choenig> | Chutt: what would be the best way for the scheduler to find out, if (or how many) clients are connected to the mainserver? |
| 14:10 | <yebyen> | blum! |
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| 14:22 | <^rcaskey> | Chutt: I changed my action to indicate tuner=17 and did update-modules, and rebooted, but still no dice |
| 14:22 | <^rcaskey> | its still showing tuner=19 |
| 14:22 | <^rcaskey> | post-install bttv insmod tuner type=17 |
| 14:22 | * ^rcaskey | tries autoload=0 |
| 14:23 | <moegreen> | ^rcaskey: are you using debian? |
| 14:23 | <Chutt> | you need to load the tuner module with the type arg |
| 14:24 | <^rcaskey> | moegreen: yeah |
| 14:26 | <TheAsp> | rca: option tuner type=17... |
| 14:26 | <^rcaskey> | TheAsp: got it |
| 14:27 | <^rcaskey> | autoload must=0 |
| 14:32 | <choenig> | Chutt: did you get my question above? |
| 14:33 | <Chutt> | sorry, i was looking at something =) |
| 14:34 | <Chutt> | why's it need to know what clients are connected? |
| 14:34 | <choenig> | ah, I'm again working on some quit/shutdown stuff, but the scheduler really needs to know somehow if clients are connected |
| 14:34 | <Chutt> | hmm |
| 14:34 | <Chutt> | not sure how best to handle it, then |
| 14:34 | <choenig> | since the scheduler is responsible for the backend(s) shutdown |
| 14:34 | <choenig> | hmm |
| 14:36 | <choenig> | i thought about smth like making playbackList global, but I do not like global vars and I don't know, how thing get when the backand is not the mainserver |
| 14:37 | <choenig> | I mean using a global reference in scheduler and mythbackend_main.cpp like tvList |
| 14:37 | <Chutt> | could just pass in the mainserver object to the scheduler |
| 14:37 | <Chutt> | then the scheduler could just ask the mainserver object what all's connected |
| 14:38 | <choenig> | :-) Ill have a look ... |
| 14:39 | <Chutt> | you'd probably have to write a couple functions to do that, but that's probably the best way to handle it |
| 14:39 | <choenig> | yeah, the functions are no problem |
| 14:43 | <^rcaskey> | got the video working and no sound still |
| 14:43 | <^rcaskey> | err I had sound but now I dont |
| 14:44 | * ^rcaskey | changes his setting back and reboots his server again |
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| 14:52 | <yebyen> | hm |
| 14:52 | <yebyen> | star trek owns me |
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| 15:16 | <KingSoopa> | hola |
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| 16:27 | <mdz> | Chutt: gettext loads external files for the translations, too |
| 16:27 | <mdz> | Chutt: it just loads them from a standard path |
| 16:27 | <mdz> | Chutt: /usr/share/locale, /usr/local/share/locale, etc. |
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| 17:34 | <shad_> | anyone around who's using the frontend and backend on seperate machines? |
| 17:53 | <Edgan> | I have |
| 17:54 | <Edgan> | I love it |
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| 18:17 | <Chutt> | mdz, got a settings question for you |
| 18:17 | <Chutt> | want to have a checkbox for the 'master server' setting |
| 18:18 | <Chutt> | i figure it should read/write a hostname from the database |
| 18:18 | <Chutt> | so, i'd want it checked if the hostname matched the current hostname, and unchecked otherwise |
| 18:18 | <Chutt> | and you shouldn't be able to _un_check it manually |
| 18:18 | <Chutt> | without setting it from another machine |
| 18:19 | <Chutt> | although, blah |
| 18:19 | <Chutt> | i might as well just make it an edit box with an ip address |
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| 19:53 | <mdz> | why is it that nobody is able to spell nuppelvideo? ever? |
| 19:54 | <Chutt> | it's hard to spell |
| 19:54 | <Chutt> | or something |
| 19:55 | <mdz> | I'm running a recent CVS checkout now |
| 19:55 | <mdz> | the rebuffering on seeks seems to be about the same |
| 19:55 | <Chutt> | recent as in more than a few hours? |
| 19:55 | <mdz> | maybe a little smoother, but there is still a >1sec delay before it gets back to normal |
| 19:56 | <mdz> | about 18:24 EST |
| 19:56 | <mdz> | (today) |
| 19:56 | <Chutt> | do you have the aggressive soundcard buffering option? |
| 19:57 | <mdz> | default I assume |
| 19:57 | <mdz> | is it on or off by default? |
| 19:57 | <Chutt> | it's off by default |
| 19:57 | <Chutt> | but, i was asking if you had the option at all =) |
| 19:57 | <Chutt> | since i think i checked stuff in to make it an option right around there |
| 19:58 | <mdz> | seems the same after I turn it on |
| 19:58 | <mdz> | shouldn't that be on the Audio page? |
| 19:59 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 19:59 | <Chutt> | but i just put it where it is temporarily |
| 19:59 | <Chutt> | since i was asking that guy to make sure both were unchecked |
| 19:59 | <mdz> | I've been meaning to add some verbosity to see what is going on |
| 19:59 | <mdz> | whether it is hitting the end of the buffer or what |
| 20:00 | <Chutt> | when you turn it on, does it complain about your soundcard at all? |
| 20:01 | <mdz> | Your soundcard is not reporting free space correctly. |
| 20:01 | <mdz> | Falling back to old method... |
| 20:01 | <mdz> | to stderr |
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| 20:01 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 20:01 | <Chutt> | so, it doesn't work for you |
| 20:01 | <Chutt> | which is why i have it off by default =) |
| 20:02 | <mdz> | it would be nice to get an errno value for that ioctl |
| 20:03 | <Chutt> | it's not the ioctl that's failing |
| 20:03 | <mdz> | no way to tell really :-) |
| 20:03 | <Chutt> | it's the fact that the soundcard is reporting an approximate value for it that doesn't even remotely come close to the real value =) |
| 20:04 | <mdz> | it doesn't check |
| 20:05 | <mdz> | I dunno whether the ALSA OSS emulation gets that stuff entirely right |
| 20:05 | <mdz> | hmm, andy davidoff just posted a patch with a bunch of #ifdefs in it |
| 20:06 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 20:06 | <Chutt> | i'm going to reject those parts |
| 20:06 | <mdz> | is that zeroing out of libavcodec stuff related to that crash that I saw before, that apparently someone else sees as well? |
| 20:07 | <mdz> | the free_picture bit |
| 20:07 | <Chutt> | yeah, but i really don't think it's it -- the entire structure those are part of is zeroed out |
| 20:07 | <Chutt> | figured it's nice to be sure, though |
| 20:08 | <mdz> | oh, hey, JitterReduction makes a big difference fro me |
| 20:08 | <mdz> | for |
| 20:08 | <Chutt> | for the better? |
| 20:08 | <mdz> | oh yes |
| 20:09 | <mdz> | it does what I hoped the audio buffering change would do |
| 20:09 | <Chutt> | it'll use more cpu to do so, of course |
| 20:09 | <Chutt> | since it's busywaiting a little |
| 20:10 | <mdz> | it works perfectly now |
| 20:13 | <mdz> | it does this whenever the delay is <40ms, right? |
| 20:13 | <Chutt> | no |
| 20:14 | <Chutt> | it's reducing the max sleep time to 40ms from 200ms |
| 20:14 | <Chutt> | and it's not sleeping as often |
| 20:14 | <Chutt> | instead it'll busywait a little if it needs to sleep for just a short period of time |
| 20:14 | <mdz> | how little? |
| 20:15 | <Chutt> | i think it's 5ms |
| 20:15 | <Chutt> | not sure off the top o my head |
| 20:17 | <Chutt> | he's got it commented fairly well in the source |
| 20:18 | <mdz> | looks to me like for 40ms or more, it usleeps, while for <40ms it calls ReduceJitter |
| 20:18 | <mdz> | reducejitter is not entirely clear to me |
| 20:18 | <mdz> | is nexttrigger the time that we next need to do something? |
| 20:18 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 20:18 | <Chutt> | nexttrigger is when we're supposed to be displaying the next frame |
| 20:18 | <Chutt> | hmm |
| 20:19 | <Chutt> | ya know, i bet it's that 40ms value that's causing trouble |
| 20:19 | <mdz> | ah, reducejitter usleeps if it's >5ms |
| 20:19 | <mdz> | might as well change that 40000 to 5000 |
| 20:20 | <Chutt> | no, don't want that |
| 20:23 | <mdz> | might help some if it doesn't call gettimeofday() every time through the busywait loop |
| 20:23 | <mdz> | in terms of CPU utilization |
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| 20:29 | <mdz> | Chutt: what are your thoughts about using a realtime scheduler, now that things are split up a bit more? |
| 20:29 | <Chutt> | i dunno |
| 20:31 | <mdz> | it sounds pretty nice |
| 20:31 | <mdz> | would be able to usleep down to 2ms |
| 20:31 | <Chutt> | if you change HZ in your kernel, you can usleep further down as well |
| 20:32 | <mdz> | under 2ms it automagically busy waits for you |
| 20:32 | <mdz> | so it could do a plain nanosleep no matter what the value |
| 20:33 | <mdz> | actually, I think between 2 and 10 it still sleeps for at least a timeslice |
| 20:33 | <Chutt> | since a timeslice is 10.. |
| 20:33 | <Chutt> | the best thing would be for xfree to have some nice standard way to wake up a process when it's time to blit |
| 20:35 | <mdz> | it'd still be limited by the resolution of the scheduler, though, wouldn't it? |
| 20:35 | <Chutt> | nope |
| 20:35 | <Chutt> | interrupts, etc =) |
| 20:35 | <mdz> | hmm |
| 20:36 | <mdz> | I dunno how that stuff works really, when and if things get preempted |
| 20:36 | <Chutt> | yeah, i dunno |
| 20:36 | <Chutt> | hah |
| 20:36 | <Chutt> | the sf mailing list archives are down _again_ |
| 20:37 | <mdz> | they seem to have put a lot of work into building their own mail archive system, which seems to only make it more difficult to access the content |
| 20:37 | <mdz> | does a nice job of keeping it from getting indexed by search engines, too |
| 20:37 | <Chutt> | and it's down 80% of the time |
| 20:37 | <Chutt> | all the trouble after they had that big press release saying they were migrating to db2 |
| 20:38 | <Chutt> | guess they need a real db admin =) |
| 20:40 | <Chutt> | hrmph |
| 20:40 | <Chutt> | 1600+ messages this month to the two mailing lists |
| 20:41 | <Chutt> | that's down a bunch from last month, i think |
| 20:41 | <Chutt> | well, 300 |
| 20:41 | <Chutt> | should beat last months total, then |
| 20:47 | <TrekCycling> | hey, does anyone here know of a tv card that handles encoding or performs better? I'm thinking about getting a WinTV GO, but I'm unsure as to whether there's a "better" card out there. |
| 20:49 | <Chutt> | the tv card doesn't have anything to do with encoding |
| 20:49 | <TrekCycling> | I thought there were tv cards that had encoders also, though. Like the WinTV PVR. |
| 20:49 | <Chutt> | not supported in linux yet |
| 20:50 | <TrekCycling> | Either way, are there cards better at buffering or whatever? Or all are they all basically the same, quality-wise. |
| 20:52 | <Chutt> | go use google to do some research |
| 20:52 | <TrekCycling> | thanks |
| 20:52 | <TrekCycling> | I know how to use google, I just thought I'd ask if anyone had any experience with a good quality tv card. |
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| 21:25 | * rcaskey | whews and finally got videolan working |
| 21:26 | <rcaskey> | I cant believe it streams over 802.11b this well |
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| 21:42 | <poptix> | what are you using videolan for? |
| 21:43 | <rcaskey> | tv |
| 21:43 | <rcaskey> | it was working, but then I killed the client, and restarted it, and it ceased to work during tha time period |
| 21:43 | <poptix> | you should check out http://www.mythtv.org |
| 21:43 | <rcaskey> | i use myth |
| 21:43 | <rcaskey> | but my cable is downstairs |
| 21:43 | <rcaskey> | and im up here |
| 21:43 | <poptix> | oh, this is #mythtv |
| 21:43 | <poptix> | heh |
| 21:44 | * poptix | thought this was his #wireless window |
| 21:44 | <rcaskey> | poptix: hehe, if your a wireless guru, maby you can tell me why wlan drivers keep dying on me |
| 21:45 | <poptix> | what kind of wireless card? |
| 21:45 | <rcaskey> | prism2 |
| 21:46 | <poptix> | using the linux-wlan drivers? |
| 21:47 | <Chutt> | i have 2 dead prism2 cards sitting here |
| 21:47 | <rcaskey> | yeah |
| 21:47 | <Chutt> | they're crap =) |
| 21:47 | <rcaskey> | Chutt: yeah. |
| 21:47 | <poptix> | they aren't crap =p |
| 21:47 | <rcaskey> | Chutt: Is it possible that Myth could eventually function as a videolan frontend? |
| 21:47 | <Chutt> | no |
| 21:48 | <rcaskey> | Fundamental architectural differences/ |
| 21:48 | <Chutt> | pretty much |
| 21:48 | <Chutt> | why would you want it to, though? |
| 21:48 | <rcaskey> | Chutt: Videolan seems to be low enough bandwith to allow streaming over 802.11 and thats not going to be the case with Myth is it? |
| 21:48 | <Chutt> | err |
| 21:49 | <Chutt> | mythtv'll be whatever bandwidth you tell it to be |
| 21:49 | <Chutt> | just like it always is |
| 21:50 | <rcaskey> | Chutt: I tried to fund the applicable emails on the listserv but kinda failed. Will the backend store the data or will that be the job of the frontend |
| 21:50 | <rcaskey> | err doh |
| 21:50 | <rcaskey> | nm |
| 21:51 | <rcaskey> | Chutt: I guess, how are duties divided up? |
| 21:52 | <Chutt> | there are searchable archives, you know |
| 21:52 | <rcaskey> | Chutt: clue me in on some keywords |
| 21:53 | <Chutt> | find it yourself |
| 21:53 | <rcaskey> | gee, thanks |
| 21:54 | <Chutt> | i'm really not inclined to help people that i have to repeat myself 3 times for before they listen to me |
| 21:55 | <rcaskey> | Chutt: I was listening, its just that there was another plausible explination given for my problem earlier and the solution fixed it... |
| 21:56 | <rcaskey> | I promise you I do not delight in recapitulation |
| 21:57 | <Chutt> | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-18.html#ss18.7 |
| 21:59 | <rcaskey> | thank you |
| 22:01 | <rcaskey> | btw, the users of redhat trying to use multiple machines might be better suited by commenting out skip-networking instead of adding skip-innodb |
| 22:01 | <rcaskey> | at least if its anything like debian and suse's defaults |
| 22:01 | <Chutt> | submit a patch to robert |
| 22:03 | <poptix> | what the hell |
| 22:04 | <poptix> | FX, TNT, and TNN are all three playing the exact same thing they played 2 hours ago |
| 22:04 | <poptix> | TNN/TBS, that is |
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| 22:53 | <moegreen> | Chutt: If I'm watching a recording then hit exit, my frontend gives a 'Changing from None to None' and then the frontend stops responding to the remote...however if I let the recording go until the end, I can continue to use the frontend normally. I started noticing this about 3 days ago |
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| 23:06 | <Soopaman> | would 2 analogue tv tuners amount to the same amount of bandwidth as a single hdtv tuner/ |
| 23:23 | <mdz> | looks like Chris Pinkham has a strong lead on that libavcodec crash |
| 23:24 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 23:25 | <Chutt> | just needs to figure out how the hell that's managing to get set the same |
| 23:25 | <mdz> | Joseph A. Caputo seems to be volunteering to maintain mythvideo |
| 23:25 | <Soopaman> | mdz, chutt, would 2 analogue tv tuners amount to the same amount of bandwidth as a single hdtv tuner/ |
| 23:31 | <Chutt> | mdz, it certainly seems that way to me |
| 23:31 | <Chutt> | soopaman, i dunno, do the math |
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| 23:49 | <Chutt> | hrmph |
| 23:59 | <Chutt> | watchpoints in gdb really eats cpu, doesn't it? |