| 00:00 | <thor_> | But I would not be suprised if Qt resolves to the same thing |
| 00:00 | <thor_> | err ... mysql |
| 00:00 | <mdz> | if it did, its date type wouldn't be very suitable for SQL dates |
| 00:00 | <mdz> | I'm pretty sure SQL dates have a wider range than (32-bit) unix timestamps |
| 00:01 | <inman> | dates alone are 4 bytes in mysql and datetimes are 8. |
| 00:01 | <thor_> | yeah, you're probably right ... been sitting in front of the computer too long .. not thinking straight |
| 00:01 | <mdz> | "The supported range is '1000-01-01 00:00:00' to '9999-12-31 23:59:59'" |
| 00:01 | <mdz> | according to the mysql docs |
| 00:01 | <mdz> | that is a very long time in the future |
| 00:01 | <inman> | y10k bug |
| 00:06 | <rkulagow> | hey guys, i'm getting this when running mythprogfind: (this is on a remote frontend running QT3.1) |
| 00:06 | <rkulagow> | QTime::setHMS Invalid time 28:00:00.000 |
| 00:06 | <rkulagow> | QDate::setYMD: Invalid date 2935-93-02 |
| 00:06 | <rkulagow> | i saw in scrollback that you guys were talking about this. |
| 00:06 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 00:06 | <rkulagow> | just wanted to add a datapoint if this was a qt3.0 vs. 3.1 potential issue. |
| 00:08 | <mdz> | Chutt: I'd like to fix that viewscheduled warning by finishing handleDuplicate so that it displays the show info. should it work ok to cut and paste the code from the constructor? |
| 00:08 | <mdz> | rkulagow: please try the stuff I just added to cvs.sql and see if they go away |
| 00:08 | <Chutt> | surely |
| 00:09 | <thor_> | rkulagow, do you have any mechanism in place for images (gif's, jpeg's) in the doc system? |
| 00:09 | <mdz> | the gridlayout is the top level of that part right? |
| 00:09 | <Chutt> | hmm |
| 00:09 | <Chutt> | mdz, it might be better to cut and paste from the infodialog stuff |
| 00:12 | <rkulagow> | mdz: i'm syncing now and i'll let you know. |
| 00:12 | <rkulagow> | thor: i suppose i could add graphics. what do you have in mind? |
| 00:12 | <mdz> | Chutt: hmm...does that have the channel in it? |
| 00:12 | <Chutt> | i don't know |
| 00:12 | <mdz> | doesn't seem to |
| 00:12 | <mdz> | rkulagow: thanks |
| 00:13 | <thor_> | rkulagow: I keep meaning to write up some docs for LCD devices ... would be nice to have a picture as example and motivation |
| 00:13 | <mdz> | Chutt: it would be nice to make a routine to create one of these out of a programinfo |
| 00:14 | <mdz> | dunno where you would want it though |
| 00:14 | <rkulagow> | thor: if you give me the picture and docs, i guess that will give me the motivation to figure out how to get it in there. :) |
| 00:15 | <thor_> | sounds good ... I will send them along at some point |
| 00:16 | <Captain_Murdoch> | just FYI, I just made the cvs.sql date/time not null mods and tested adding a timeslot recording via mythweb and still worked fine. filled in 0000-00-00 for the dates same as all the other entries got when I did the alter table. |
| 00:18 | <inman> | the rdbms is your friend. :-) |
| 00:24 | <rkulagow> | mdz: ran the cvs.sql on the master db; the remote mythprogfind is still spitting out the same error... |
| 00:24 | <rkulagow> | is this only going to take effect on new records? |
| 00:26 | <inman> | no, will affect everything. |
| 00:26 | <inman> | can you check your db? issue a `show fields from record like '%time';` |
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| 00:28 | <rkulagow> | pasting: |
| 00:28 | <rkulagow> | mysql> show fields from record like '%time'; |
| 00:28 | <rkulagow> | +-----------+------+------+-----+----------+-------+ |
| 00:28 | <rkulagow> | | Field | Type | Null | Key | Default | Extra | |
| 00:28 | <rkulagow> | +-----------+------+------+-----+----------+-------+ |
| 00:28 | <rkulagow> | | starttime | time | | | 00:00:00 | | |
| 00:28 | <rkulagow> | | endtime | time | | | 00:00:00 | | |
| 00:28 | <inman> | looks fine... |
| 00:29 | <mdz> | rkulagow: select starttime, startdate, endtime, enddate from record |
| 00:29 | <mdz> | rkulagow: when you say the same error, it still says exactly the same numbers? |
| 00:30 | <rkulagow> | mdz: yes, looks like the same thing: |
| 00:30 | <rkulagow> | [mythtv@backend2 mythtv-0.8]$ mythprogfind |
| 00:30 | <rkulagow> | QTime::setHMS Invalid time 28:00:00.000 |
| 00:30 | <rkulagow> | QDate::setYMD: Invalid date 2935-93-02 |
| 00:30 | <rkulagow> | i've got 5 pairs of these |
| 00:30 | <inman> | are you planning on recording anything in the year 2935? |
| 00:30 | <inman> | that might explain it... |
| 00:31 | <rkulagow> | mdz: pasting... |
| 00:31 | <rkulagow> | mysql> select starttime, startdate, endtime, enddate from record; |
| 00:31 | <rkulagow> | +-----------+------------+----------+------------+ |
| 00:31 | <rkulagow> | | starttime | startdate | endtime | enddate | |
| 00:31 | <rkulagow> | +-----------+------------+----------+------------+ |
| 00:31 | <rkulagow> | | 19:00:00 | 2003-02-06 | 19:30:00 | 2003-02-06 | |
| 00:31 | <rkulagow> | | 19:30:00 | 2003-02-06 | 20:00:00 | 2003-02-06 | |
| 00:31 | <rkulagow> | | 00:00:00 | 0000-00-00 | 00:00:00 | 0000-00-00 | |
| 00:31 | <rkulagow> | | 00:00:00 | 0000-00-00 | 00:00:00 | 0000-00-00 | |
| 00:31 | <rkulagow> | | 00:00:00 | 0000-00-00 | 00:00:00 | 0000-00-00 | |
| 00:31 | <rkulagow> | | 22:00:00 | 0000-00-00 | 22:30:00 | 0000-00-00 | |
| 00:31 | <rkulagow> | | 00:00:00 | 0000-00-00 | 00:00:00 | 0000-00-00 | |
| 00:31 | <rkulagow> | +-----------+------------+----------+------------+ |
| 00:31 | <rkulagow> | 7 rows in set (0.00 sec) |
| 00:33 | <Captain_Murdoch> | you are getting a pair of those for each row in record that has a date of 0000-00-00. I just ran mythprogfind and it came back with 20 pairs cause I have 20 programs setup in record. |
| 00:34 | <rkulagow> | weird. startdate = 2003-02-06? where'd that come from? |
| 00:34 | <inman> | well, 0000-00-00 isn't a valid QDate. |
| 00:35 | <mdz> | ok, so this doesn't fix it |
| 00:35 | <Captain_Murdoch> | maybe set a default date to 1970-01-01 |
| 00:35 | <inman> | hmm, is 0 == 0000? if so, then it should assume it's 1900. |
| 00:35 | <mdz> | it did fix it when I set all of my NULLs to a valid date/time |
| 00:38 | <mdz> | bah, I knew it was at least half-assed, shouldn't have done it |
| 00:40 | <Captain_Murdoch> | is there a way to set default == curdate() or something like that. |
| 00:40 | <inman> | yeah |
| 00:41 | <inman> | if(somecolumn, somecolumn, curdate()) |
| 00:41 | <inman> | if the columns are NULLable, it's easier |
| 00:41 | <Captain_Murdoch> | I mean when you create the table. |
| 00:41 | <inman> | ifnull(somecol, curdate()) |
| 00:41 | <inman> | Captain_Murdoch: nope. |
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| 02:01 | * bigguy | heads to bed |
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| 12:43 | * paperclip | is away: I'm busy |
| 12:44 | <rkulagow> | slow today, or am i broken? |
| 12:44 | <nziarek> | slow today |
| 12:46 | <rkulagow> | i've realized that between work, family and contributing where i can on mythtv i don't even have time to _watch_ tv anymore! |
| 12:48 | <nziarek> | =) |
| 12:48 | <nziarek> | good thing you can tape it all then |
| 12:53 | <rkulagow> | tape? how 80's! my wife still says "tape", even though we've had a tivo for 2 years. |
| 12:54 | <nziarek> | hmmm...i am not any older than the 80s...what do you call it? "Hon, can you Myth Friends tonight?" |
| 12:56 | <nziarek> | I have a question for someone...I wanted to work on MythSports (like MythWeather) and wrote a script in ASP (don't hate me) that does NCAA basketball. If I transferred that to PHP, would that get me any closer to having a working program? |
| 12:57 | <nziarek> | "trasnferred that to PHP" --> "rewrote the code in PHP" |
| 13:02 | <thor_> | There are ways to make PHP run as shell scripts (outside of Apache) |
| 13:03 | <nziarek> | my current script, when done, just come up with a string: dsd,sdsd,sdsd,sdsds,d|sds,sdssd,,sdsd,, that can be split at the "|" and "," into an array. |
| 13:03 | <nziarek> | could this string be passed somehow to the MythSports GUI then? |
| 13:04 | <nziarek> | I don't need to know how yet, just that I am angling down the right path. Step one is learning PHP |
| 13:05 | <thor_> | It's possible ... but not the "right" way to do this (right way would be to learn C++, which is no harder than PHP) |
| 13:06 | <nziarek> | that what y'all keep saying, but I know ASP, PHP is not too far off, and C++ for dummies starts off about 30 steps above my understanding. I'll keep reading though :) |
| 13:06 | <thor_> | You have Qt installed, correct? |
| 13:06 | <nziarek> | yes |
| 13:07 | <thor_> | Go into /usr/local/src/qt/examples/ and start screwing around... |
| 13:08 | <nziarek> | yeah, i did. I didn't understand anything. Like, little things would make sense, but no big picture stuff. |
| 13:09 | <nziarek> | I don't think it helps that I know VB badly; my code is never elegant nor especially correct. It just does what it should. |
| 13:09 | * paperclip | is back (gone 00:26:11) |
| 13:10 | <thor_> | Don't worry about elegance ... just try and make it do things (can I say hello world, can I create a window, can I create a button) |
| 13:10 | <nziarek> | yeah, i know. sometimes I am too impatient for baby steps =) |
| 13:11 | <thor_> | Your biggest problem is probably that VisualBasic has taught you that programming means pointing and clicking in a nice GUI |
| 13:12 | <nziarek> | sorta - I just use notepad for VBScript |
| 13:12 | <thor_> | Ah, well then you're half way there |
| 13:12 | <nziarek> | I only installed VisualC++ because I thought the color coding would help make sense of it all |
| 13:12 | <nziarek> | ok, you inspried me: Hello WOrld, here I come! |
| 13:13 | <thor_> | You'd be surprised how quickly Hello World can become a rudimentary "MythSports" |
| 13:13 | <nziarek> | here's to taht coming true |
| 13:13 | <Chutt> | steal code from mythweather |
| 13:14 | <Chutt> | it's probably doing something similar |
| 13:15 | <nziarek> | i tried :) i think that might be too ambitious for a beginning. |
| 13:18 | <thor_> | Get hello world figured out (.h file go here, .cpp goes there, Make does this, I have to #include things, etc.). Then try a Qt hello world. Then you're about 30% done |
| 13:28 | <nziarek> | all right, I'm game...Hello World, here I come! (I think that was a pun =) |
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| 13:59 | <rkulagow> | chutt: are you going to make a general purpose settings screen for 0.9? i'm looking at mythgallery here - not too many variables, quick change to code, and something like mythweather "force setup, then use a hotkey" vs. the standard "seperate menu item" might be good. what do you think? |
| 13:59 | <rkulagow> | general purpose meaning it's going to incorporate module setup, vs. each having their own. |
| 14:00 | <PeteCool> | I think in the root menu there should be a setup section |
| 14:00 | <PeteCool> | and you have everything there |
| 14:00 | <PeteCool> | just moving the actual setup screen up on level |
| 14:01 | <PeteCool> | and add module-specific items |
| 14:50 | <thor_> | Chutt, AAAAGGGGGGHHHHHHH your TreeCheckItem's destructors were deleting without new;ing metadata !!! |
| 14:56 | <Chutt> | of course they were |
| 14:57 | <thor_> | They get passed a pointer, they don't allocate memory for it. |
| 14:57 | <Chutt> | right. |
| 14:57 | <thor_> | so whoever allocated the memory should be deleteing it |
| 14:57 | <Chutt> | in the original databasebox.cpp stuff, they were passed in a pointer that they then were owning. |
| 14:58 | <Chutt> | i didn't really want to keep track of the metadata pointers in the databasebox object, so it seemed reasonable to have the listview own its data |
| 14:58 | <thor_> | Yeah, I know ... it's my fault ... but the owners are now way up in main() (hit DB once), and I've been trying to find this segfault for 2 hours |
| 14:58 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 14:58 | <thor_> | debugging destructors sucks |
| 15:00 | <thor_> | Ah .. works like a dream now ... Select Music comes up in well under a second |
| 15:00 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 15:00 | <PeteCool> | nice |
| 15:00 | <Chutt> | anything left over is qt being slow, then =) |
| 15:00 | <thor_> | Well, I would like to presort right at the beginning |
| 15:01 | <thor_> | but let me get the popups cleaned up and try and get you a copy of this before I die of old age |
| 15:02 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 15:02 | <Chutt> | cool. |
| 15:21 | <inman> | nice work thor |
| 16:01 | <mdz_> | Chutt: does the setup device selector work OK for you? |
| 16:02 | <Chutt> | sorry, i haven't tried it yet |
| 16:06 | <mdz_> | works fine for me, but people complained about segfaults on the list |
| 16:07 | <mdz_> | I got that when there were no devices there, but I added a check for that before committing it |
| 16:07 | <mdz_> | instead of giving back an iterator with no items in it, it gives a NULL pointer. |
| 16:14 | <Chutt> | tried it with bad permissions? |
| 16:20 | <mdz_> | no |
| 16:21 | <mdz_> | but I've never seen a mainstream system where /dev isn't o+rx |
| 16:26 | <thor_> | mdz, how about badly setup devfs |
| 16:34 | <mdz_> | thor_: it would have to be intentionally broken |
| 16:34 | <mdz_> | nothing that two random people on the mailing list would do |
| 16:43 | <thor_> | mdz, I noted the use of "two" |
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| 17:00 | <coffmant> | Does anybody have any CPU number for dual MPEG4 encoding/single decode |
| 17:02 | <PeteCool> | >xp 1800+ |
| 17:03 | <PeteCool> | Chutt says his xp 1800+ can almost do it |
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| 19:12 | <Justin_> | anyone else have the mythtv window not go fullscreen/decorationless? |
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| 19:15 | <Chutt> | stupid laptop was all locked up. |
| 19:16 | <Justin_> | :) |
| 19:17 | * Justin_ | presses up |
| 19:17 | <Justin_> | anyone else have the mythtv window not go fullscreen/decorationless? |
| 19:17 | <Justin_> | i use pwm, 0.70 worked fine, cvs has never worked... |
| 19:17 | <Justin_> | the window is the right size, if i toggle decore and move it, its good |
| 19:18 | <Justin_> | i also tried running mythtv remotely when I was at work, and it did the same thing, and then crashed, shitty windows X server |
| 19:19 | <Chutt> | i don't recall cvs doing anything differently than 0.7 wrt displaying the windows |
| 19:21 | <Chutt> | mdz, the setup device stuff works for me as a regular user |
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| 19:39 | <Chutt> | rkulagow, you around at all? |
| 19:48 | <mdz> | Chutt: yep, me too |
| 19:49 | <mdz> | Chutt: which qt were you on when you tried it? |
| 19:51 | <Chutt> | 3.1 |
| 19:54 | <mdz> | me too |
| 19:55 | <mdz> | qt is almost like having a real standard library |
| 20:16 | <poptix> | damnit |
| 20:16 | <poptix> | i slipped and hurt my back |
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| 20:27 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: do you think you could put a check somewhere to see if the myth files directory is full? when it keeps writing nowhere the box hangs (after many many minutes though) |
| 20:31 | <mdz> | it will only cause problems with programs other than mythtv if you don't have a dedicated filesystem for it |
| 20:31 | <mdz> | otherwise it is harmless when it runs out of space (except to mythtv of course) |
| 20:32 | <mdz> | besides, the system reserves 5% of the space for root, so that things don't break too horribly if it fills up |
| 20:32 | <mdz> | and you shouldn't run mythtv as root |
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| 20:38 | <yebyen> | 47 days of uptime on my mythtv box, w000t |
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| 20:41 | <mdz> | yebyen: the box, or mythtv? |
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| 20:44 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: had you answered my previous question? XChat crashed :( |
| 20:44 | <Chutt> | mdz did |
| 20:45 | <PeteCool> | can you paste it again please? |
| 20:45 | <Chutt> | <mdz> it will only cause problems with programs other than mythtv if you don't have a dedicated filesystem for it |
| 20:45 | <Chutt> | <mdz> otherwise it is harmless when it runs out of space (except to mythtv of course) |
| 20:45 | <Chutt> | <mdz> besides, the system reserves 5% of the space for root, so that things don't break too horribly if it fills up |
| 20:45 | <Chutt> | <mdz> and you shouldn't run mythtv as root |
| 20:46 | <PeteCool> | thanks |
| 20:46 | <Chutt> | i'll handle full diskspace eventually someday |
| 20:46 | <Chutt> | but, just not yet |
| 20:46 | <PeteCool> | it's already on its dedicated 20 gigs hard disk |
| 20:46 | <PeteCool> | but it often gets full |
| 20:47 | <Chutt> | blah |
| 20:47 | <mdz> | what should it do? delete some of it for you? |
| 20:47 | <Chutt> | going through 4 months worth of commits mail to extract a changelog is going to suck |
| 20:47 | <Chutt> | mdz, yeah, automatic deletion i think would be best |
| 20:47 | <mdz> | aborting upcoming recordings seems like the only sensible action |
| 20:48 | <Chutt> | of stuff you've watched and not told it to keep |
| 20:48 | <PeteCool> | mdz: yep, just stop recording so it doesn't hang/crash |
| 20:49 | <PeteCool> | deleting could be nice too, as long as it was either watched once, or gets removed from the oldrecorded table so it can be recorded again |
| 20:49 | <Chutt> | i'd like to be able to tell it on a per program title and per show basis what not to delete automatically |
| 20:50 | <Chutt> | hm |
| 20:50 | <Chutt> | so, reading over the docs, everything looks good for 0.8 except for the initial setup stuff that still references 0.7 stuff |
| 20:50 | <Chutt> | and my name spelled wrong at the beginning =) |
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| 20:52 | <PeteCool> | misspelled wrong? you mean they failed misspelling? |
| 20:52 | <PeteCool> | =) |
| 20:53 | <Chutt> | spelled wrong is what i said :p |
| 20:55 | <PeteCool> | damn |
| 20:56 | <Chutt> | someone should port mythfrontend to a zaurus |
| 20:56 | <Chutt> | i wonder if it'd have enough power for low-res playback |
| 20:57 | <mdz> | it does |
| 20:57 | <mdz> | not scaling though |
| 20:57 | <mdz> | so you'd have to record at 320x240 |
| 20:57 | <Chutt> | might be able to reencode on the fly in the backend |
| 20:57 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: the incomplete recorings made when the disk was full mess up mythfrontend |
| 20:58 | <PeteCool> | as if it tried to test the end of the file, which isn't there |
| 20:58 | <Chutt> | the preview window doesn't hit the end of the file |
| 20:58 | <Chutt> | it plays from the beginning |
| 20:58 | <PeteCool> | I know |
| 20:58 | <mdz> | that means you should have no problem deleting it |
| 20:59 | <yebyen> | mdz: the box |
| 21:00 | <mdz> | yebyen: bah, that's nothing special then |
| 21:00 | <yebyen> | mdz: i've been upgrading mythtv much more regularly than 47 days |
| 21:00 | <yebyen> | heh |
| 21:00 | <mdz> | I wonder how long folks have mythtv running continuously for |
| 21:00 | <yebyen> | i've had it going since march 7 |
| 21:00 | <yebyen> | heheh |
| 21:06 | <yebyen> | blah |
| 21:06 | <yebyen> | any changes gone into commercial detection lately? |
| 21:07 | <yebyen> | since... 2003-03-06 |
| 21:07 | <Chutt> | there won't be any more until after 0.8 |
| 21:08 | <PeteCool> | oh, the ads around here are often black backgrounds with a little white text... the ad skipper fallen into it each time I tried it (not that many times, but a few times) |
| 21:08 | <yebyen> | huh? |
| 21:11 | <PeteCool> | the commercial detector can be fooled with amostly-black advertisement |
| 21:11 | <PeteCool> | missing a space there |
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| 21:15 | <PeteCool> | nathanziarek: so did you figure out hello world? :) |
| 21:16 | <mdz> | Chutt: do you have the beginnings of some release notes? |
| 21:17 | <Chutt> | nope |
| 21:17 | <mdz> | oh, you were just dreading it then :-) |
| 21:17 | <Chutt> | well, i've got the UPGRADING file updated |
| 21:17 | <Chutt> | and README has all the old instructions removed, it just references the docs now |
| 21:17 | <nathanziarek> | PeteCool: no! |
| 21:18 | <nathanziarek> | i can't get cout to work :( |
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| 21:24 | <nyquiljer> | so whats the oldest hardware anyone successfully runs myth on? |
| 21:24 | <nyquiljer> | i'm looking to go the extremely cheap route |
| 21:25 | <PeteCool> | nyquiljer: celeron 1100A with i815 mobo and 512 megs of ram (256 might be fine) |
| 21:26 | <nyquiljer> | sweet |
| 21:26 | <PeteCool> | nyquiljer: that's not very expensive stuff |
| 21:26 | <nyquiljer> | i dont really know intel prices |
| 21:26 | <nyquiljer> | rough ballpark figure? |
| 21:27 | <PeteCool> | I think the mobo + cpu + case cost ~400$ CDN |
| 21:27 | <PeteCool> | it was a gift |
| 21:28 | <PeteCool> | 100$ tuner |
| 21:28 | <PeteCool> | 65$ tv-out vid card |
| 21:28 | <nyquiljer> | i have a scan converter, i may just use that |
| 21:28 | <PeteCool> | + remote and receiver I'll be getting soon |
| 21:28 | <PeteCool> | you could get a used card, or a mono one, they'd be cheaper |
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| 22:44 | <Chutt> | hmm |
| 22:44 | <Chutt> | i can't reproduce that remote frontend hang at all |
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| 23:03 | <yebyen> | is cvs.sql up to date with current changes? |
| 23:05 | <Chutt> | should be |
| 23:05 | <yebyen> | i just pasted the whole thing into mysql a few lines at a time |
| 23:05 | <yebyen> | didn't seem to be any errors beyond "Err, you already did that last time you upgraded" |
| 23:06 | <yebyen> | heh |
| 23:27 | <Chutt> | heh, the qpixmap->qimage->qpixmap stuff has some issues at 16bpp |
| 23:30 | <Chutt> | at least in 3.0.5 |
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