| 00:02 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: is a nuv container able to hold vorbis streams? |
| 00:26 | <Chutt> | it could |
| 00:29 | <Justin_> | PeteCool: $100 tuner? |
| 00:30 | <Justin_> | they are like $50 now:) |
| 00:30 | <Justin_> | oh wait, CDN..silly not US people:) |
| 00:30 | <Chutt> | right, that's like 3 dollars us. |
| 00:31 | <Justin_> | newegg had the tv tuner+fm tuner+remote on sale for $50 |
| 00:31 | <Justin_> | but i think the tv wonder is a better tuner |
| 00:31 | <Justin_> | i still need an ir tranceiver:( |
| 00:31 | <PeteCool> | Justin_: I bought a leadtek because I read the remote was good |
| 00:31 | <PeteCool> | Justin_: obviously I got the second-gen, crappy remote |
| 00:32 | <Justin_> | hehe |
| 00:32 | <Justin_> | couldn't return it? |
| 00:32 | <Justin_> | thats kind of bait&switch ish |
| 00:33 | <PeteCool> | I realised it too late |
| 00:33 | <PeteCool> | I think here they aren't forced to accept returns after a month |
| 00:34 | <Justin_> | thats reasonable |
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| 09:58 | <mdz_> | I'm just going to assume that people who had setup segfault on them didn't recompile stuff correctly |
| 09:59 | <Chutt> | probably reasonable |
| 10:00 | <bigguy> | it's been quiet since the announcement of the impending release |
| 10:02 | <nziarek> | anxiousness =) |
| 10:02 | <Chutt> | nziarek, hey, you be willing to try an upgrade? |
| 10:03 | <nziarek> | sure...but i can't until tonight (at work now) |
| 10:05 | <Chutt> | 'course, no problem |
| 10:10 | <nziarek> | do we have docs and such - remember how much hand holding I need :) |
| 10:10 | <Chutt> | should be easy |
| 10:10 | <Chutt> | the UPGRADING file has most of it |
| 10:10 | <Chutt> | and everything's graphical now |
| 10:10 | <Chutt> | and there's some bits in the docs |
| 10:11 | <nziarek> | and i'll just be downloading from CVS? or are there packages? |
| 10:12 | <Chutt> | be downloading from cvs |
| 10:13 | <nziarek> | 'ite...i've been looking forward to trying it all out, now I want to leave work even more than when it was just work :( |
| 10:30 | <rkulagow> | chutt: i'm back. (saw you were looking for me a few hours ago) |
| 10:30 | <rkulagow> | uh, wait, yesterday. more than a few hours... :) |
| 10:30 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 10:33 | <rkulagow> | did i really spell your name wrong? that's pretty fucked up on my part. |
| 10:33 | <Chutt> | last name |
| 10:35 | <rkulagow> | where the hell did i get "richardson" from? |
| 10:37 | <rkulagow> | anyone else you want in the developers section? i added that because people kept writing to me, asking about programming questions, etc. |
| 10:38 | <rkulagow> | i'll go ahead and purge the 0.7 information in my tree. when are you figuring you're going to pull the trigger on the tarball? |
| 10:38 | <Chutt> | saturday, maybe |
| 10:39 | <rkulagow> | how do you feel about people replacing 127.0.0.1 with their actual IP address, even if they're running a one-box myth setup? |
| 10:39 | <eli> | what advantage would that have? |
| 10:40 | <rkulagow> | don't know; bruce markey (bruce, you here?) had someone do that on the ML for someone that was complaining about the frontend/backend not talking to each other over 127.0.0.1 |
| 10:41 | <Chutt> | the guy on the mailing list who can't run the backend probably didn't update his database |
| 10:43 | <eli> | would that happen if you didn't run the newer setup (with the BackendServerIP settings) |
| 10:43 | <eli> | even if you did update the database |
| 10:44 | <Chutt> | yup, but he ran setup |
| 10:44 | <eli> | oh |
| 10:46 | <eli> | Chutt what distribution do you use? |
| 10:47 | <Chutt> | debian |
| 10:51 | <eli> | redhat 8 is pissing me off, next time i need to reinstall i think i'll go with debian |
| 10:52 | <rkulagow> | i think i'm going to purge the graphical install instructions for Mandrake and just stick with the CLI package management tools. it's simpler that way, and gets rid of a lot of verbage. |
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| 10:53 | <rkulagow> | chutt: i'm going to do a last sync on the "v1" HOWTO; can you please sync to the website in a few seconds? i'm going to commit a new HOWTO-v2 file that will be the baseline for the 0.8 instructions. |
| 10:54 | <Chutt> | sure |
| 10:54 | <Chutt> | let me know when |
| 10:54 | <rkulagow> | ci just finished. |
| 10:55 | <Chutt> | it should be all updated now |
| 10:55 | <rkulagow> | thanks |
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| 11:48 | <Chutt> | well, that was certainly not a fun bug to fix |
| 11:53 | <eli> | the seek failure? |
| 11:53 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 12:02 | <rkulagow> | seeing some weirdness with alt epg using the liquid theme. colors are white on light grey, missing descenders on characters in the upper left description area. |
| 12:02 | <rkulagow> | anyone else seeing that, or just my system? |
| 12:03 | <eli> | i've never used liquid theme before |
| 12:13 | <eli> | as just heard on dr joy, http://RTXUO.d0nt.org/ |
| 12:20 | <eli> | actully ignore the above, wrong window |
| 12:25 | <Chutt> | rkulagow, some of the font colors could be missing, i dunno |
| 13:15 | <eli> | hmm somehow i got it to still be recording to the ring buffer but it thinks all inputs are busy and nothing shows up on the recorded menu |
| 13:19 | <eli> | had something to do with what i hit (or didn't hit) when the OSD popup saying "im going to record a show now what do you want to do" while watching livetv.. |
| 13:22 | <eli> | restart of backend makes it show up in recored menu.. |
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| 14:20 | <schwin97> | is it possible to pull out a section from the ring buffer and save the pulled out section to a file? |
| 14:21 | <schwin97> | example: watching a game on tv and an amazing play occurs so you want to keep the play... is it possible to do with the ring buffer? |
| 14:36 | <eli> | cp rigbuffer.nuv good_play.nuv |
| 14:37 | <eli> | ? |
| 14:37 | <Chutt> | won't work if you've changed channels |
| 14:38 | <eli> | yeah an option to never delete the ringbuffer would be cool |
| 14:38 | <Chutt> | it'd be a pain |
| 14:38 | <eli> | how so? |
| 14:38 | <Chutt> | blowing away the ringbuffer is nice and easy |
| 14:39 | <eli> | true |
| 14:39 | <eli> | tivo's or replay tvs don't have a way to save the ring buffer do they? |
| 14:40 | <Chutt> | i wouldn't know |
| 14:40 | <Chutt> | never used one |
| 14:40 | <eli> | yeah me either |
| 14:40 | <schwin97> | I don't think they do (barely used a tivo) |
| 14:40 | <schwin97> | but I think it would be an interesting feature if you could save off clips of a show that is currently being watched |
| 14:41 | <schwin97> | don't know how complex it would be though? |
| 14:42 | <schwin97> | I think this would fall in the same category as instant recording possibly??? |
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| 16:24 | <rkulagow> | tivo allows you to save the ring buffer. ring buffer is always running at the best quality, and if you hit the record button while watching live TV it gives you the option to save up to the last 30 minutes of program. |
| 16:25 | <eli> | thats cool |
| 16:25 | <eli> | does tv save the ring buffer if you change channels |
| 16:26 | <eli> | s/tv/tivo |
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| 16:27 | <rkulagow> | no - it's reset on each channel change |
| 16:28 | <eli> | oh |
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| 17:19 | <Justin_> | rkulagow: mythtv almost does that too |
| 17:19 | <Justin_> | if you are watching tv for a while |
| 17:19 | <Justin_> | you can hit M |
| 17:19 | <Justin_> | then R |
| 17:19 | <Justin_> | to save the current show |
| 17:20 | <Justin_> | or anything else still in the buffer |
| 17:20 | <Chutt> | no it doesn't |
| 17:20 | <Justin_> | Chutt: it doesn't ? |
| 17:20 | <Chutt> | nope |
| 17:20 | <Justin_> | didn't it used to? |
| 17:20 | <Chutt> | never did |
| 17:21 | <Justin_> | - I or Space or Enter will bring up more information about a show, and allow |
| 17:21 | <Justin_> | you to schedule a recording. |
| 17:21 | <Justin_> | - If you select "Record this showing" while watching Live TV you can |
| 17:21 | <Justin_> | "Instant Record" a program. |
| 17:21 | <Justin_> | what does that mean then? |
| 17:21 | <Chutt> | it'll start recording from there, sure |
| 17:21 | <Chutt> | it won't copy over stuff you've already watched |
| 17:21 | <Justin_> | hmmmmm |
| 17:21 | <Justin_> | thats not what seems to be implied by "instant record" |
| 17:22 | <Chutt> | that's what it implies to me |
| 17:22 | <Justin_> | well since there was a line for that |
| 17:22 | <Justin_> | i figured thats a special feature |
| 17:23 | <Justin_> | recording from the current place is what I thought it did, and then I read that file, and saw "instant record" |
| 17:23 | <Justin_> | which sort of implies that it would record the whole show |
| 17:24 | <Justin_> | since then if it _doesn't_ do that |
| 17:24 | <Justin_> | if you select "Record this showing" while not even watching it, it would instantly record it |
| 17:24 | <Justin_> | wouldn't it? |
| 17:25 | <Chutt> | eh? |
| 17:25 | <schwin97> | it would instantly record from that time forward... |
| 17:25 | <Justin_> | "If you select "Record this showing" while watching Live TV" |
| 17:25 | <Justin_> | that implies a special case |
| 17:25 | <Justin_> | selecting something to record, if you were already watching it |
| 17:25 | <Chutt> | people kept asking how to start recording something they were watching |
| 17:25 | <Chutt> | that is how to do it. |
| 17:25 | * Justin_ | shrugs |
| 17:27 | <schwin97> | in ringbuffer.cpp you have a function WriteToDumpFile... could this write out portions of the ringbuffer? |
| 17:27 | <Chutt> | no, it couldn't. |
| 18:11 | <yebyen> | hrm |
| 18:11 | <yebyen> | the auto commercial flag always seems to start 5-10sec early and finish 5-10sec early as well |
| 18:18 | <yebyen> | hm |
| 19:18 | <yebyen> | blarg |
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| 20:15 | <PeteCool> | anybody running a .13u p3/celeron fanless? |
| 20:17 | <Chang> | PeteCool: I wish - Athlon XP 2500 - can't hardly hear the tube with all the fans |
| 20:27 | <PeteCool> | didn't know the bartons were already in stores |
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| 21:37 | <nathanziarek> | anyone here watch NCAA Basketball? |
| 21:40 | <PeteCool> | It seems it should be possible to get a picture with out noticeable |
| 21:40 | <PeteCool> | pixelation and smooth motion and not drop frames on an Athlon-xp 1600 |
| 21:40 | <PeteCool> | (from the mailing list) |
| 21:41 | <PeteCool> | I can do that very easily on a celeron 1.1A, how can he be having troubles with so much cpu power? |
| 22:19 | <nathanziarek> | what is the command to donwload the current code from CVS? |
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| 22:20 | <Chutt> | check the first page of the docs, they explain it better than i can |
| 22:20 | <Captain_Murdoch> | nathan, you can cut and paste it from the documentation on mythtv.org, that's what I always do when I forget. :) |
| 22:20 | <Chutt> | just read the UPGRADING file |
| 22:20 | <nathanziarek> | sorry guys - i hate when people ask before reading the docs |
| 22:20 | <Chutt> | that _should_ be enough |
| 22:20 | <Chutt> | i hope |
| 22:21 | <Chutt> | maybe |
| 22:21 | <Chutt> | =) |
| 22:21 | <Chutt> | there's some bits in the last section of the docs on the website, as well |
| 22:21 | <Chutt> | but it should be all fairly easy |
| 22:22 | <Chutt> | since it's all graphical and stuff |
| 22:25 | <nathanziarek> | sorry, but I don't know how to "Insert the 0-7-to-0-8.sql file from the database/ subdir into your database." Like I said earlier, I need very step-by-step. I just don't know enough about it all |
| 22:26 | <Captain_Murdoch> | mysql -u root -p mythconverg < 0.7-to-0.8.sql |
| 22:26 | <Captain_Murdoch> | or as mythtv user I guess since it has privs. |
| 22:33 | <nathanziarek> | just trying to get this straight before I get to the Myth box - after installation, from the MythTV directory I've installed from, I run "./setup"? |
| 22:37 | <nathanziarek> | nevermind...i am just going to try it |
| 22:41 | <Chutt> | well, you'd cd to the setup/ dir |
| 22:41 | <Chutt> | then run ./setup |
| 22:41 | <Chutt> | sorry, i'm not quite paying attention =) |
| 22:43 | <nathanziarek> | i tried to run the cvs command (cvs -d :pserver:mythtv@cvs.mythtv.org:/var/lib/cvs login) and it said "bash: cvs: command not found" |
| 22:48 | <nathanziarek> | i am looking at cvshome.org, but hell if I know what I should be doing here :) (a sign like: nate, go here, would be great.) |
| 22:58 | <Captain_Murdoch> | nate, what distribution |
| 23:03 | <nathanziarek> | *sigh* well, i downloaded and untarred and make-d and make installed cvs, but it still "command not found". there is an install file too, but I can't seem to figure out what it wants as an argument. |
| 23:03 | <nathanziarek> | mandrake 9 |
| 23:05 | <nathanziarek> | hmmmi just tried "urpmi cvs" so we'll see... |
| 23:06 | <Captain_Murdoch> | ok |
| 23:14 | <nathanziarek> | that did it...thanks |
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| 23:47 | <nathanziarek> | after you select your XMLTV settings and press enter, what is it doing - downloading the whole 10 days worth of listings? I am just curious how long I should expect to wait |
| 23:51 | <Chutt> | switch to the console you ran it on |
| 23:53 | <nathanziarek> | it'll say "getting list of providers" and then pops back to the setup screen where you input your zip, etc. done that about three times now. |
| 23:54 | <Chutt> | is the UI responsive? |
| 23:56 | <nathanziarek> | yeah, i can keep going through the motion (name the source, type the zip) |
| 23:56 | <Chutt> | then it's probably done |
| 23:56 | <Chutt> | and you can just exit out of that and go on |
| 23:56 | <nathanziarek> | ok |