| 00:01 | <nathanziarek> | care to hear my "complaints" thus far, or should I keep quiet? :) |
| 00:01 | <Chutt> | speak up |
| 00:03 | <nathanziarek> | on all of the drop down boxes the text color was the same color as the drop down box; so if I clicked the drop down box I could see the options fine (grey on blue background) but after I selected it, and it was just the bar, I couldn't tell what I had clicked. made me think I hadn't clicked anything until I noticed just a slight difference on the bar |
| 00:03 | <Chutt> | what theme had you been using before? |
| 00:04 | <nathanziarek> | ColorBars |
| 00:04 | <Chutt> | is it still showing the colorbars background? |
| 00:04 | <nathanziarek> | nope, liquid |
| 00:04 | <Chutt> | that's.. odd |
| 00:05 | <Chutt> | did you switch or something? |
| 00:05 | <Chutt> | it should be showing blue at the least =) |
| 00:05 | <nathanziarek> | wait...blue is that one that you take the screenshots with? it was that one. sorry |
| 00:05 | <Chutt> | with the sproingy thingie as the background |
| 00:06 | <nathanziarek> | yeah |
| 00:06 | <Chutt> | are you out of setup yet? |
| 00:06 | <nathanziarek> | yeah...i am running mythfilldatabase now |
| 00:07 | <Chutt> | ok |
| 00:07 | <Chutt> | in another term, can you run 'qtconfig' |
| 00:07 | <nathanziarek> | sure |
| 00:08 | <Chutt> | i just want to know what you have in the 'GUI style' box near the top |
| 00:10 | <nathanziarek> | systemalt |
| 00:11 | <nathanziarek> | sorry it took so long, the PC is in the other room and I didn't remeber to run that export PATH command :P for the Qt dirs |
| 00:11 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 00:11 | <Chutt> | yeah, i see |
| 00:11 | <Chutt> | that theme is doing something weird |
| 00:11 | <Chutt> | change to, ah, keramik if you have that, or light b3 or something |
| 00:13 | <nathanziarek> | that did it |
| 00:13 | <nathanziarek> | (light b3) |
| 00:13 | <Chutt> | cool. |
| 00:14 | <nathanziarek> | the only other complaint i have is after you choose the prvider, XMLTV can get stuck (it was telling me that a channel was no longer available) and that is when I asked how long it should hang |
| 00:14 | <Chutt> | anyway, once mythfilldatabase is done |
| 00:14 | <Chutt> | run mythbackend |
| 00:14 | <Chutt> | then run mythfrontend |
| 00:14 | <nathanziarek> | ok |
| 00:14 | <Chutt> | then go into the TV / settings stuff |
| 00:14 | <Chutt> | and go through and modify things |
| 00:15 | <Chutt> | should hopefully be pretty easy to figure out |
| 00:15 | <Chutt> | oh, just use the keyboard to change things like the screen resolution |
| 00:15 | <Chutt> | keypad |
| 00:15 | <Chutt> | rather |
| 00:16 | <Chutt> | left and right, instead of typing in values |
| 00:16 | <nathanziarek> | ok |
| 00:16 | <nathanziarek> | think i can handle that |
| 00:16 | <Chutt> | there's an issue with spinboxes |
| 00:17 | <Chutt> | typing it in doesn't catch properly sometimes =) |
| 00:18 | <Chutt> | you'll need to upgrade any other modules you use to CVS versions as well |
| 00:21 | <nathanziarek> | just found that out - no MythMusic :) |
| 00:21 | <nathanziarek> | it looks slick |
| 00:21 | <nathanziarek> | downloading Iulius soon :) |
| 00:21 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 00:21 | <Chutt> | that's what i've been using, btw |
| 00:22 | <nathanziarek> | glad someone likes it |
| 00:22 | <Chutt> | heh, and you'll be able to use mythweather |
| 00:22 | <Chutt> | and see your spiffy icons and stuff in action |
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| 00:23 | <Chutt> | it's time i went to bed, hope the other stuff works ok, too =) |
| 00:29 | <nathanziarek> | thanks for your help |
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| 08:35 | <nziarek_> | any ideas to why the OSD "font smoothes: but the menus and playback boxes, etc, don't? |
| 09:01 | <Chutt> | nziarek, might want to install the microsoft fonts from http://corefonts.sf.net/ |
| 09:01 | <Chutt> | hmm |
| 09:02 | <Chutt> | seems to be mandrake-specific stuff at http://ben.reser.org/corefonts/ |
| 09:06 | <nziarek_> | couple of other questions: mythMusic doesn't have a setup option? I just want to make sure mine isn't broken. |
| 09:07 | <nziarek_> | and MythGames wouldn't compile, althought I don't remember the error it threw at me and then I kicked the plug of the computer...i'll get it for you, though |
| 09:08 | <Chutt> | right, mythmusic still has a settings file |
| 09:10 | <nziarek_> | i'll check into the fonts...i just wanted to make sure about the mythMusic |
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| 09:13 | <Chutt> | that 2nd url looks pretty easy |
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| 09:43 | <mdz_> | Chutt: Alex Wilbur has been mailing me repeatedly about how he was asking all of his questions on -dev because he really wants to do development someday |
| 09:44 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 09:44 | <Chutt> | i'm sorry =) |
| 09:44 | <Chutt> | why's he emailing you? |
| 09:44 | <mdz_> | probably because I was the one who asked him to go to -users |
| 09:46 | <mdz_> | he was originally reporting a somewhat genuine bug, but I think you fixed that about 1 message into the thread, and since then it has been like 10 messages of noise |
| 09:50 | <Chutt> | oh, the epg stuff? |
| 09:50 | <Chutt> | but, his vast experience writing ui code! |
| 09:50 | <mdz_> | yeah, that's the guy |
| 09:51 | <mdz_> | I'm going to add a --quiet option to mythfilldatabase which will activate the --quiet option on tv_grab_na |
| 09:51 | <mdz_> | (and any other grabbers that seem to have one) |
| 09:51 | <mdz_> | so I can get email from the cron job only if there is an error |
| 09:51 | <Chutt> | sounds good |
| 09:52 | <mdz_> | eventually I want the grabbers to be able to write the status output to stdout, data to the --output file, and errors to stderr like a normal program |
| 09:52 | <mdz_> | but somehow I haven't found the gumption to open that perl mess in an editor |
| 09:54 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 09:58 | <mdz_> | I assume that change is OK to commit for 0.8; it'll be off by default |
| 09:59 | <Chutt> | yup |
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| 10:12 | <mdz_> | I thought those microsoft font installers were broken now, or illegal, or something |
| 10:12 | <mdz_> | oh, it is legal to redistribute them |
| 10:12 | <mdz_> | so the guy made a copy |
| 10:13 | <Chutt> | you just can't change the packaging |
| 10:13 | <mdz_> | the msttcorefonts installer in Debian contrib seems to still work fine |
| 10:14 | <mdz_> | I hope it doesn't run the self-extractors as root |
| 10:14 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 10:14 | <mdz_> | ah, it uses cabextract, so it shouldn't need to run them at all |
| 10:14 | <Chutt> | did you test your file_offset_bits=64 changes for new large files? |
| 10:15 | <mdz_> | hmm |
| 10:15 | <mdz_> | yes |
| 10:15 | <mdz_> | I have recorded >2gb stuff since I put that in |
| 10:15 | <Chutt> | just making sure it's writing seek tables for them |
| 10:16 | <mdz_> | believe me, it gets noticed if there is no seek table when reading over NFS :-) |
| 10:16 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 10:16 | <Chutt> | ok, cool |
| 10:16 | <Chutt> | i'm pretty much ready for the release, then |
| 10:18 | <mdz_> | tomorrow then? |
| 10:18 | <Chutt> | we'll see |
| 10:18 | <Chutt> | i've got plans for tomorrow, though, so more likely sunday |
| 10:37 | <mdz_> | doesn't much matter to me |
| 10:37 | <mdz_> | except that I'll try to get 0.8 debs together as soon as possible after the release |
| 10:39 | <Chutt> | cool |
| 10:39 | <nziarek> | can I ask what's on slate for post .8? 'cause, to be honest, I can't think of many more features to add... |
| 10:44 | <Chutt> | i dunno |
| 10:44 | <Chutt> | more stuff |
| 10:44 | <nziarek> | =) good enough for me |
| 10:45 | <nziarek> | just curious what was up Myth's sleeve... |
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| 10:52 | <Chutt> | Hi! |
| 10:52 | <Chutt> | I want to add support for <X> to mythtv! |
| 10:52 | <Chutt> | Please tell me exactly how to do it! |
| 10:52 | <Chutt> | k, thx, bye! |
| 10:54 | <nziarek> | ...and you have a problem with that? =) (I'm sure I've done stuff like it, so I can't talk) |
| 10:54 | <Chutt> | just seems kinda silly |
| 10:57 | <mdz_> | there is plenty of room for new stuff |
| 10:58 | <mdz_> | probably 0.8 will turn out to have quite a few bugs that will need fixing for 0.8++ |
| 10:58 | <mdz_> | since there is so much new code |
| 10:58 | <Chutt> | if anything important turns up, i'll probably put out 0.9 fairly quickly |
| 10:58 | <Chutt> | and i'm hoping to get on a faster release schedule overall |
| 11:01 | <nziarek> | with all of the new "suggestions" (MythZilla, MythSports, MythShowtimes) and the limit of 6(?) menu items per page, should there be some sort of MythNet menu option that those new things get put into? |
| 11:03 | <Chutt> | maybe |
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| 11:29 | <kiwi_uk> | ANyone alive |
| 11:29 | <kiwi_uk> | ? |
| 11:52 | <nziarek> | most of us. |
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| 12:15 | <Chutt> | poor mdz |
| 12:15 | <Chutt> | he's coming to bug you here, too :p |
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| 12:16 | <nziarek> | heh :) |
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| 14:06 | <mdz_> | Chutt: any thoughts on the min/max/diff quality settings question? |
| 14:10 | <Chutt> | eh |
| 14:10 | <Chutt> | just keep it as is for now |
| 14:11 | <mdz_> | ok, but I'm not doing eli's google searching for him :-) |
| 14:11 | <mdz_> | I wonder if any of the other playback speed weirdness incidents have been a result of screwing with those settings |
| 14:12 | <eli> | didn't mean to come off rude, or anything... |
| 14:12 | <eli> | maybe it shouldn't even be an option, just leave it in the database so people who want to change it can just chagne the database |
| 14:14 | <mdz_> | it's fine in the UI, but I think it might be good to have a warning or something |
| 14:15 | <Chutt> | feel free to add a warning to the help text =) |
| 14:27 | <kiwi_uk> | Anyone here? |
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| 14:29 | <kiwi_uk> | Hi |
| 14:31 | <nziarek> | so, i've installed the MST fonts...how do I get them used within the menus of Myth? |
| 14:31 | <Chutt> | i dunno |
| 14:31 | <Chutt> | not working? |
| 14:33 | <kiwi_uk> | Could someone tell me how to tune channels in Myth please? |
| 14:34 | <Chutt> | err |
| 14:34 | <kiwi_uk> | :( |
| 14:34 | <Chutt> | read keys.txt |
| 14:34 | <nziarek> | nope... |
| 14:34 | <kiwi_uk> | Okay, thanks. |
| 14:34 | <nziarek> | well, I'll putz around...I thought maybe there was a specific setting that I needed to enable somewhere |
| 14:34 | <Chutt> | there shouldn't have been |
| 14:35 | <Chutt> | i dunno, might need to restart x or something |
| 14:37 | <nziarek> | ok...i'll putz...thanks |
| 14:38 | <Chutt> | might want to see if you can select arial as a font elsewhere |
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| 15:44 | <Chutt> | rkulagow, i've got your settings patch in my special post-0.8 mail folder |
| 15:56 | <Chutt> | Hi! |
| 15:57 | <Chutt> | I messed up my database, and mythtv doesn't work like it should anymore! |
| 15:57 | <Chutt> | Why is this?!? |
| 16:02 | <thor_> | Chutt, you should probably take this to user |
| 16:04 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 16:21 | <rkulagow> | thanks chutt. if you do manage to use it, i'll consider it a learning experience to see how it _should_ be done. |
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| 16:23 | <Chutt> | i'll use it =) |
| 16:23 | <Chutt> | just, after this release |
| 16:23 | <Chutt> | what's your plan for docs, btw? |
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| 16:25 | <rkulagow> | well, i've got a v2.0 of the HOWTO in my private tree. i've corrected your name ( :) ), and added text on changing the mysql grant command to allow other machines to access the db. it won't be a total re-write. |
| 16:25 | <rkulagow> | hrmm. that |
| 16:26 | <Chutt> | looked to me that the major thing was that one fairly small section on the intial setup |
| 16:26 | <rkulagow> | 's interesting. remote frontend plays a few seconds of video, then aborts out (doesn't segfault though) and returns to the "watch recording" menu. |
| 16:26 | <Chutt> | make sure you're using current cvs |
| 16:27 | <rkulagow> | chutt: yep, that was pretty much it. i haven't had the cycles to do a whole lot of re-writing lately, and i'm expecting that 0.8 will bring out a new batch of "why doesn't this work?" |
| 16:27 | <rkulagow> | let me check that i'm current on CVS |
| 16:27 | <Chutt> | don't doubt it will =) |
| 16:28 | <rkulagow> | hrmm. i'm current with CVS on the remote frontend. let me check the backend. |
| 16:28 | <rkulagow> | backend is current as well. lets see what's happening here. |
| 16:29 | <rkulagow> | here's the remote frontend: |
| 16:30 | <rkulagow> | [mythtv@backend2 mythtv]$ mythfrontend |
| 16:30 | <rkulagow> | connecting to backend server: 192.168.10.102:6543 |
| 16:30 | <rkulagow> | Changing from None to WatchingPreRecorded |
| 16:30 | <rkulagow> | Over/underscanning. V: 0.000000, H: 0.000000, XOff: 0, YOff: 0 |
| 16:30 | <rkulagow> | Using XV port 58 |
| 16:30 | <rkulagow> | Delaying to next trigger: 27233814 |
| 16:30 | <rkulagow> | Delaying to next trigger: 22084178 |
| 16:30 | <rkulagow> | Delaying to next trigger: 20932305 |
| 16:30 | <rkulagow> | Delaying to next trigger: 21195974 |
| 16:30 | <rkulagow> | Delaying to next trigger: 20915220 |
| 16:30 | <rkulagow> | Delaying to next trigger: 227623 |
| 16:30 | <rkulagow> | Delaying to next trigger: 257599 |
| 16:30 | <rkulagow> | Changing from WatchingPreRecorded to None |
| 16:30 | <rkulagow> | Changing from None to None |
| 16:30 | <Chutt> | hmm |
| 16:30 | <Chutt> | so it thinks the file's over. |
| 16:31 | <rkulagow> | this is about 4 seconds into the file (friends), right after the promo for ER. it's the first big scene transition after fade up. |
| 16:31 | <rkulagow> | i wonder if it's the commerical scanner? |
| 16:31 | <Chutt> | huh, very well could be |
| 16:31 | <Chutt> | does it do the same for local playback, though? |
| 16:32 | <rkulagow> | hrmm. file recoded is only 978k. that's a clue :) |
| 16:32 | <Chutt> | hehe |
| 16:32 | <rkulagow> | plenty of diskspace though. shouldn' |
| 16:32 | <rkulagow> | t have aborted. |
| 16:32 | <Chutt> | recorded by the master backend/ |
| 16:33 | <Chutt> | and, happen to have the backend logs of when it was recorded? |
| 16:37 | <rkulagow> | no, fraid i don't have the backend logs. let me see what happens when i do a recording now. |
| 16:39 | <rkulagow> | hrmm. got these showing up on the backend doing the recording: |
| 16:39 | <rkulagow> | SelectSetting::setValue(): invalid index 1101625308 |
| 16:39 | <rkulagow> | SelectSetting::setValue(): invalid index 1101625276 |
| 16:39 | <rkulagow> | SelectSetting::setValue(): invalid index 1101625244 |
| 16:39 | <rkulagow> | SelectSetting::setValue(): invalid index 1101625212 |
| 16:39 | <rkulagow> | SelectSetting::setValue(): invalid index 1101625308 |
| 16:39 | <rkulagow> | SelectSetting::setValue(): invalid index 1101625308 |
| 16:39 | <rkulagow> | SelectSetting::setValue(): invalid index 1101624860 |
| 16:39 | <rkulagow> | SelectSetting::setValue(): invalid index 1101624828 |
| 16:39 | <rkulagow> | SelectSetting::setValue(): invalid index 1101624796 |
| 16:39 | <rkulagow> | this is a master backend, running 80% CPU, MPEG4 480x480@2200 |
| 16:40 | <Chutt> | hmm |
| 16:41 | <rkulagow> | commercialskip method and autoskip are both on. |
| 16:41 | <rkulagow> | (oops, commercialskip method is "1") |
| 16:41 | <Chutt> | you just tried to record something? |
| 16:42 | <rkulagow> | yes, it's recording "judge judy". still going; mythbackend is in gdb and hasn't segfaulted. |
| 16:43 | <Chutt> | hrm |
| 16:43 | <Chutt> | weird |
| 16:43 | <Chutt> | i wonder what those came from |
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| 16:50 | <Chutt> | nziarek, did things work, besides the fonts? |
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| 16:59 | <nziarek> | yeah, everything except MythGames |
| 16:59 | <nziarek> | I forget the error, but it was late, and I don't have any ROMS anyway, so I gave up |
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| 16:59 | <Chutt> | yeah, just email me the error if you have time |
| 17:00 | <nziarek> | I was going to redo it in a bit...i'll let you know then |
| 17:00 | <Chutt> | cool |
| 17:00 | <rkulagow> | chutt: got the same sequence of errors on the next program that i set for recording (road rules): |
| 17:01 | <rkulagow> | Changing from RecordingOnly to None |
| 17:01 | <rkulagow> | Changing from None to RecordingOnly |
| 17:01 | <Chutt> | hmm |
| 17:01 | <rkulagow> | SelectSetting::setValue(): invalid index 1101625308 |
| 17:01 | <rkulagow> | SelectSetting::setValue(): invalid index 1101625276 |
| 17:01 | <rkulagow> | SelectSetting::setValue(): invalid index 1101625244 |
| 17:01 | <rkulagow> | SelectSetting::setValue(): invalid index 1101625212 |
| 17:01 | <rkulagow> | SelectSetting::setValue(): invalid index 1101625308 |
| 17:01 | <rkulagow> | SelectSetting::setValue(): invalid index 1101625308 |
| 17:01 | <rkulagow> | SelectSetting::setValue(): invalid index 1101624860 |
| 17:01 | <rkulagow> | SelectSetting::setValue(): invalid index 1101624828 |
| 17:01 | <rkulagow> | SelectSetting::setValue(): invalid index 1101624796 |
| 17:01 | <rkulagow> | SelectSetting::setValue(): invalid index 137131712 |
| 17:01 | <rkulagow> | SelectSetting::setValue(): invalid index 1101624860 |
| 17:01 | <rkulagow> | SelectSetting::setValue(): invalid index 1101624828 |
| 17:01 | <rkulagow> | SelectSetting::setValue(): invalid index 1101624796 |
| 17:01 | <rkulagow> | SelectSetting::setValue(): invalid index 137098312 |
| 17:01 | <rkulagow> | SelectSetting::setValue(): invalid index 1101625308 |
| 17:01 | <rkulagow> | SelectSetting::setValue(): invalid index 1101625308 |
| 17:01 | <rkulagow> | SelectSetting::setValue(): invalid index 1101625276 |
| 17:01 | <rkulagow> | SelectSetting::setValue(): invalid index 1101625244 |
| 17:01 | <rkulagow> | SelectSetting::setValue(): invalid index 1101625308 |
| 17:01 | <rkulagow> | SelectSetting::setValue(): invalid index 1101625308 |
| 17:01 | <PeteCool> | nziarek: anything new lately? |
| 17:03 | <Chutt> | strange.. |
| 17:04 | <Chutt> | hopefully mdz can debug that, since it's his code =) |
| 17:05 | <PeteCool> | nziarek: like osd |
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| 17:13 | <Chutt> | rkulagow, unfortunately, i'm not seeing those errors at all |
| 17:15 | <nziarek> | PeteCool: I've been working on a new MythMusic...I am trying to take screen shots of every screen and give them an "Iulius" look |
| 17:15 | <Chutt> | don't mess with my music tree :p |
| 17:16 | <nziarek> | Chutt: just a little :) hey, I have no clout. just say No :) |
| 17:18 | <nziarek> | And i'll just take my photoshop and go home! =) |
| 17:18 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 17:18 | <Chutt> | i just like how the tree works |
| 17:18 | <thor_> | Please god don't mess with the tree |
| 17:19 | <Chutt> | thor, you going to send a patch sometime? =) |
| 17:19 | <Chutt> | don't be like that erik guy and lose stuff accidently |
| 17:20 | <nziarek> | i like it to. I can't think of a better way to do it. all I would really do is shrink it a little (to include the title) and possibly give it an Iulius-style border |
| 17:20 | <thor_> | I'm just expunging the last vestiges of db access from anything but main() |
| 17:20 | <Chutt> | does it add stuff on new rips? |
| 17:20 | <thor_> | Almost |
| 17:21 | <thor_> | databasebox.cpp is like 300 lines now |
| 17:21 | <Chutt> | nice |
| 17:22 | <thor_> | we'll see ... promises promises promises ... very soon |
| 17:22 | <rkulagow> | chutt: yeah, i'm sorry you're not seeing the errors either. it seems to happen right after the recording starts, so that's the first place i'll look. |
| 17:22 | <Chutt> | probably in the recording profiles |
| 17:25 | <rkulagow> | do you think that the remote frontend being a Celeron 450 w/o SSE (deinterlace is off) and the backend being a PIII/733 have anything to do with it? |
| 17:25 | <Chutt> | shouldn't be |
| 17:25 | <Chutt> | my remote frontend is a p3-550, and deinterlace is off and all that |
| 17:25 | <Chutt> | it's using a bunch of cpu just for playback |
| 17:26 | <Chutt> | are you going to commit some setup stuff soonish, or? =) |
| 17:27 | <rkulagow> | ok, just checking. neither box has a pegged-out CPU according to top, but i'm still getting audio drops on the remote frontend. |
| 17:27 | <rkulagow> | chutt: was the setup question towards me? you mean setup docs, other than what's in the HOWTO? |
| 17:27 | <Chutt> | in the howto |
| 17:27 | <Chutt> | your v2.0 stuff you mentioned, really |
| 17:28 | <rkulagow> | well, from what i saw, you said sunday was the tarball date. i was going to do more stuff this weekend. |
| 17:28 | <Chutt> | yeah, probably sunday |
| 17:28 | <Chutt> | i'm just getting antsy =) |
| 17:28 | <PeteCool> | my file sizes have nearly doubled lately |
| 17:28 | <PeteCool> | I actually reduced the bitrate |
| 17:28 | <Chutt> | things are the same as always, here |
| 17:28 | <rkulagow> | i'll commit my existing v2.0 .sgml file without creating the HTML for it |
| 17:29 | <PeteCool> | 300~350 megs per simpsons/king of the hill, now 600~680 megs |
| 17:29 | <rkulagow> | v1.105 and v2.0 are just about the same, other than the version and getting rid of the internal revision stuff. |
| 17:29 | <Chutt> | ah |
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| 17:34 | <Chutt> | petecool, mpeg4 still? |
| 17:34 | <PeteCool> | yep |
| 17:35 | <Chutt> | odd |
| 17:35 | <mdz_> | PeteCool: did you mess with the minquality setting? |
| 17:36 | <PeteCool> | mdz_: I think yes |
| 17:36 | <PeteCool> | reduced it by one step (1 -> 2) |
| 17:36 | <PeteCool> | or is that maxquality |
| 17:36 | <PeteCool> | hmm |
| 17:36 | <mdz_> | revert all of those quality settings to what they were before |
| 17:36 | <mdz_> | and don't change them |
| 17:36 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 17:37 | <PeteCool> | 2400bitrate, 1max, 6min, 3delta gave 300 meg files for quite a while |
| 17:38 | <PeteCool> | I don't even remember what the defaults were |
| 17:38 | <poptix> | Chutt: i think quite a few more people would be willing to hack away at mythtv if you made a nice flow chart of 'how things work' in mythtv |
| 17:38 | <PeteCool> | quite a while = 2 months |
| 17:38 | <Chutt> | yeah, and i could go through and document each line of code, too |
| 17:38 | <mdz_> | - setHelpText("Lower is better."); |
| 17:38 | <mdz_> | + setHelpText("Leave this alone unless you know exactly what you are doing."); |
| 17:38 | <poptix> | Chutt: heh |
| 17:38 | <PeteCool> | I'll revert to that first |
| 17:38 | <Chutt> | =) |
| 17:38 | <mdz_> | Chutt: look ok? |
| 17:38 | <poptix> | Chutt: that's overkill =) |
| 17:38 | <Chutt> | mdz, sure |
| 17:39 | <Chutt> | poptix, guy i went to school with had a 5:1 comment:code ratio. |
| 17:39 | <Chutt> | _that's_ overkill |
| 17:39 | <PeteCool> | 1:6 would be enough |
| 17:39 | <mdz_> | good code needs very few comments |
| 17:40 | <PeteCool> | yeah the code is clean, I just miss some knowledge bits |
| 17:40 | <Chutt> | poptix, basically, i'd rather spend time writing code, rather than doing stuff like that |
| 17:40 | <Chutt> | i don't have _that_ much time to spend on this as it is |
| 17:40 | <rkulagow> | chutt: i'm going to do a re-read of the HOWTO and make sure that it makes sense in a 0.8 environment, updated with stuff like the internal mixer controls, etc. |
| 17:40 | <Chutt> | cool |
| 17:41 | <Chutt> | all i really want is a short description of some of the more important settings screens, really =) |
| 17:41 | <Chutt> | like, the ip stuff |
| 17:41 | <Chutt> | how to use the settings screens (use the arrow keys, not typing in values), etc |
| 17:42 | <Chutt> | i need to thread off incoming connections to the backend |
| 17:42 | <Chutt> | at least stuff that's going to take a little time to answer |
| 17:43 | <poptix> | Chutt: shrug, it's fairly complex, and a very simple ascii flowchart would help, imo. |
| 17:43 | <poptix> | perhaps someone else can work it out at some point |
| 17:44 | <Chutt> | but i like my little barriers to entry |
| 17:44 | <Chutt> | =) |
| 17:45 | <poptix> | =p |
| 17:45 | <mdz_> | PeteCool: maybe if you draw up a flow chart, someone familiar with the code will fill in a few words of text |
| 17:45 | <poptix> | i'm just interested in mpeg1/2 input support =) |
| 17:45 | <mdz_> | interested in adding it? |
| 17:45 | <poptix> | mdz_: don't start |
| 17:45 | <mdz_> | or interested in waiting for it to happen on its own? :-) |
| 17:46 | <Chutt> | some random guy emailed me about that the other day |
| 17:46 | <Chutt> | asking where to start in adding it |
| 17:46 | <poptix> | this guy with a DVB card is willing to do/try it, but needs information on 'how things work' |
| 17:46 | <Chutt> | poptix, that guy came across like he wanted to be told exactly where to start |
| 17:46 | <Chutt> | and exactly what to do |
| 17:46 | <PeteCool> | mdz_ what are you talking about |
| 17:47 | <poptix> | mdz_: if I 1) knew anything about C++ and 2) knew anything about video codecs, i'd give it a try |
| 17:47 | <mdz_> | PeteCool: oh, that was poptix's idea |
| 17:48 | <mdz_> | poptix: I didn't know much about video codecs when I found mythtv; I've learned quite a bit in the process of fiddling with it |
| 17:48 | <poptix> | PeteCool: mdz likes to be an ass, and has problems with people who are incapable of doing everything he can |
| 17:48 | <mdz_> | that's not a fair characterization |
| 17:48 | <poptix> | mdz_: you've just repeatedly been an ass to me =) |
| 17:48 | <Chutt> | that'd more accurately describe me :p |
| 17:48 | <mdz_> | I wouldn't say so |
| 17:48 | <poptix> | I'm not begging anyone to do anything with mythtv, when/if the mpeg input support appears i'll be grateful, and do what I can |
| 17:49 | <poptix> | but I simply don't have the know-how to do it myself, nor would I know where to start with mythtv |
| 17:49 | <PeteCool> | poptix: just start from the main() in mythbackend or mythfrontend, and follow the links |
| 17:50 | <PeteCool> | I haven't done that yet though |
| 17:50 | <poptix> | i contribute where I can, and give thanks to the people who are capable of doing things I can't |
| 17:50 | <poptix> | PeteCool: C++ simply confuses me |
| 17:50 | <poptix> | it seems (to me) to be intentionally obscure |
| 17:51 | <poptix> | i'm sure it's all great whizz-bang for people that have spent a lot of time learning it though |
| 17:52 | <thor_> | I would second the point that Chutt regularily acts like an ass |
| 17:52 | <thor_> | tehe |
| 17:53 | <PeteCool> | thor_: he's not so bad |
| 17:53 | <PeteCool> | thor_: it's is CVS tree after all |
| 17:54 | <Chutt> | sure i am |
| 17:54 | <poptix> | i'm fine with the 'i wrote this for me be glad i'm sharing it with you' attitude =) |
| 17:56 | <thor_> | See, even Chutt knows he's an ass |
| 17:56 | <thor_> | (tongue <- cheek) |
| 17:56 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 17:57 | <Chutt> | if i actually sent a lot of emails that i write but then delete to the mailing list... :p |
| 17:57 | <mdz_> | change :q! to act like :wq in your vim and see what happens |
| 17:57 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 17:57 | <mdz_> | Chutt uncensored |
| 17:58 | <poptix> | heh |
| 18:01 | <Chutt> | yeah, too bad i use kmail |
| 18:20 | <PeteCool> | mdz, Chutt, what are the default settings for mpeg4 recording? |
| 18:22 | <nziarek> | hey - something else I thought of from last night - when nameing the video source the default was "Video Source" making me think I could name mine "TimeWarner Cable" - but you can't hit the space bar, since it taes you to the next page. Just a tidbit for the docs maybe |
| 18:47 | <poptix> | how about right arrow? |
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| 19:07 | <mdz> | PeteCool: 2200kbps, min=15, max=2, diff=3 |
| 19:17 | <PeteCool> | mdz: what size do your cartton recordings get with those settings? (if you record any) |
| 19:19 | <Chutt> | they should be 1 gig/hour at 640x480 |
| 19:35 | <PeteCool> | to me 352x480 looks 99% as good as 640x480 |
| 19:35 | <PeteCool> | but I do have a 20" TV only |
| 19:35 | <PeteCool> | what about yours? |
| 19:37 | <Chutt> | quite easily tell the difference on my tv |
| 19:38 | <Chutt> | 480x480 vs 640x480 is harder to distinguish, but still possible |
| 19:39 | <Chutt> | mainly on text |
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| 20:46 | <Justin_> | i use 480x480 but at 3300, they come out to 1.2G |
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| 21:14 | <mdz> | just how many mythtv installations has merle reine done? |
| 21:14 | <mdz> | no matter how many, he always has a problem the next time around |
| 21:14 | <Chutt> | approximately one for every email sent to the list |
| 21:17 | <mdz> | I'm not answering this time around |
| 21:17 | <mdz> | the functionality he's having problems with works just fine |
| 21:18 | <mdz> | he probably broke his database or his libraries or something |
| 21:43 | <Justin_> | you would think after a few times he would just write a script to install it |
| 21:54 | <mdz> | no, you'd think he'd use the debs since he's on Lindows which is Debian-based |
| 21:55 | <Justin_> | does anyone still use 0.70? |
| 21:56 | <Justin_> | or did 0.80 come out and I didnt notice:) |
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| 23:36 | <schwin97> | I use cvs from a few weeks ago... it has the 0.8 tag but it isn't the official 0.8 |
| 23:36 | <Chutt> | i haven't tagged 0.8. |
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