| 00:05 | <thor_> | Chutt, one outstanding issue if you're still up |
| 00:06 | <Chutt> | yeah, for a little while longer |
| 00:06 | <thor_> | OK, say you have a playlist up in the tree (upper half) |
| 00:06 | <thor_> | And you want to edit |
| 00:06 | <thor_> | you go up, hit i, get a popup, and select Make Current |
| 00:07 | <thor_> | In the tree it gets grayed out and it becomes the UP/DOWN stuff at the bottom |
| 00:07 | <Chutt> | edit as in move stuff around? |
| 00:07 | <thor_> | with me so far |
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| 00:07 | <Chutt> | why can't it just do the stuff it was doing down below? |
| 00:07 | <thor_> | yes, edit as in Current Queue, move stuff around |
| 00:08 | <thor_> | because you can't add tracks if it isn't "current" |
| 00:08 | <thor_> | So ... yeah .. edit as in add tracks and/or move around |
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| 00:09 | <thor_> | Now, you add some tracks, everything is honky dorry, you watch some MythTV and go to sleep :-) |
| 00:09 | <thor_> | Come back next day, want to save "Active" as what it was, but can't remember |
| 00:10 | <thor_> | One possible solution: |
| 00:11 | <thor_> | If Active is the result of a move to Active, have the root of it say "Current Queue (was "The Name")", something like that |
| 00:11 | <Chutt> | have it auto save back? |
| 00:11 | <thor_> | not auto, but as a popup |
| 00:12 | <Chutt> | Save Back to Original Playlist |
| 00:12 | <Chutt> | or something? |
| 00:12 | <Chutt> | that'd work, i think |
| 00:12 | <thor_> | yes, but need to persist that somewhere |
| 00:12 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 00:12 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 00:12 | <thor_> | can either change the id in the table and key off default_playlist_storage |
| 00:12 | <thor_> | of change name and key off id == 1 |
| 00:13 | <thor_> | or add a colum |
| 00:13 | <Chutt> | the first two are kinda hacky |
| 00:13 | <thor_> | should really go in settings |
| 00:13 | <Chutt> | so, adding a column, or even just a normal setting for it (non user-editable, of course) |
| 00:14 | <Chutt> | LastMusicPlaylistWas == <id> |
| 00:14 | <Chutt> | or null for nothing or something |
| 00:14 | <thor_> | yup, ok, that was all I wanted to check, will send you code tomorrow ..... thanks |
| 00:14 | <Chutt> | cool |
| 00:15 | <thor_> | one tiny last thing, does gContext-> handle which host is asking automagically? |
| 00:15 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 00:15 | <thor_> | great |
| 00:15 | <thor_> | night |
| 00:15 | <Chutt> | the normal GetSettings() does that |
| 00:15 | <Chutt> | you can ask for a specific host, too |
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| 02:00 | <rkulagow> | compusa 6 hour sale starts later today, but why wait when you can get a 175GB hard drive for $99 after rebates? |
| 02:00 | <rkulagow> | http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?product%5Fcode=301996&csearch=1&cmid=gosku&pfp=srch1 |
| 02:01 | <bigguy> | nice |
| 02:01 | <bigguy> | I wish I had the $$$ |
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| 04:01 | <datadevil> | hi |
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| 05:31 | <datadevil> | anyone inhere use tvout under linux, and know a good card to use for it? |
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| 13:26 | <rkulagow> | chutt, are you here? |
| 13:26 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 13:27 | <rkulagow> | hey; could you please sync cvs docs to main website? |
| 13:27 | <Chutt> | sure |
| 13:31 | <thor_> | Chutt, can you think of anything I'll break if I add an infoPressed() and/or numberPressed() signal to MythListView in libmyth? |
| 13:32 | <Chutt> | nope |
| 13:32 | <thor_> | good (need keypress to activate popups) |
| 13:33 | <rkulagow> | chutt: thanks |
| 13:37 | <Chutt> | rkulagow, all updated |
| 14:03 | <bigguy> | Chutt: you could cron the updating of docs right? |
| 14:03 | <Chutt> | not quite, no |
| 14:04 | <rkulagow> | chutt: do you remember who's running the gossamer-threads archive? |
| 14:04 | <Chutt> | nope |
| 14:05 | <Chutt> | thor, hey, in lcddevice.cpp |
| 14:05 | <Chutt> | you've got two different fallbacks, don't you? |
| 14:05 | <Chutt> | for 3.1.x, you close the socket, for 3.0, you delete it |
| 14:06 | <Chutt> | won't that break stuff? |
| 14:08 | <rkulagow> | nate ziarek, are you here? |
| 14:21 | <thor_> | Chutt, no I downgraded Qt, tested with the delete, and it worked fine |
| 14:21 | <Chutt> | ok |
| 14:21 | <Chutt> | just wasn't sure if there'd be any trouble with it getting deleted then being assumed it was still there later on |
| 14:22 | <thor_> | None of the writes go through if connected is not true, so deleting the socket is not an issue |
| 14:22 | <Chutt> | ah, ok |
| 14:22 | <thor_> | Only way you might have a problem is if you diabolically started LCDd after the initial fail but before the socket was deleted |
| 14:23 | <choenig> | hmmm, how come, mythtv is scaling that bad... |
| 14:23 | <choenig> | when I record (or livetv) one video, my system runs at about 30PU, but if I start a second one, it takes 100%cpu. same with watching one on the backendhost and one on another host. |
| 14:23 | <choenig> | arg |
| 14:23 | <choenig> | 30% CPU |
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| 14:38 | <rkulagow> | nathan: the docs on the website have been updated. can you mail me a .pdf please? |
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| 14:39 | <nziarek> | sure, but I won't be home until Sunday. Get it to you first thing, though |
| 14:39 | <rkulagow> | ok |
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| 16:00 | <merf> | can someone gimme a hand with mythepg? it seems pretty touchy about when it'll get data from mysql :/ |
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| 16:01 | <moegreen> | merf: what is it doing? |
| 16:01 | <merf> | moegreen: sometimes it works perfectly (and it's DAMN cool :D) |
| 16:02 | <merf> | but other times it just says 'Unknown (Unknown)' for everything |
| 16:02 | <merf> | however, mythfilldatabase has been run regularly and i can select the data from the database, so i know it's there |
| 16:02 | <moegreen> | merf: An unknown program is when there is no data in the mysql database for that showtime. |
| 16:02 | <moegreen> | did you look at your fill log to see if there are any errors? |
| 16:03 | <merf> | moegreen: i ran it myself a minute ago, i didn't notice anything abnormal |
| 16:04 | <merf> | there's this: possible candidate for program detail we didn't identify (Pa.) |
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| 16:37 | <rmj> | chutt: I'm having some issues trying to dynamically alter deinterlacing strategy (my experimental bob stuff), i.e. changing frame size dynamically makes myth unhappy, i've tried changing state to NONE then back to WatchingTV in TVRec but I suspect I need to reset things in the player as well, any advice on exactly what I have to do to get the new frame size recognized by both the recorder and player at the same time (short of restarting the |
| 17:05 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 17:05 | <Chutt> | i'm not really sure |
| 17:05 | <Chutt> | it's not really designed to alter frame size on the fly |
| 17:06 | <Chutt> | you'd basically have to shut the player down, and restart it |
| 17:06 | <Chutt> | since all of the display buffers and everything would have to be reallocated |
| 17:12 | <rmj> | hmmm, which part of the system has the handle on the player which needs to be restarted, there is a fairly |
| 17:13 | <Chutt> | like, everything |
| 17:13 | <rmj> | long communications path between the player and the recorder so I'm not sure at which point I should be trying to re-init it. |
| 17:13 | <Chutt> | the video output, frame reading code |
| 17:13 | <Chutt> | i don't really think it makes much sense to flip on the fly like that |
| 17:15 | <rmj> | fair enough, it was mainly to make testing each strategy very quickly after eachother (to increase the ease with which to see quality differences), its probably less useful in a production system. |
| 17:15 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 17:16 | <rmj> | btw could you give a bit more detail on what the quality decrease you were seeing with the patch? You mentioned text issues, can you explain those in a bit more detail? |
| 17:16 | <Chutt> | well |
| 17:16 | <Chutt> | mainly, mpeg4 compression artifacts were much more noticeable |
| 17:16 | <Chutt> | ringing around text, etc |
| 17:17 | <rmj> | yes that doesn't suprise me because of the fields bobbing up and down slightly, I see a noticeable shimmer over the whole screen at very high bit rates but at lower bitrates I think mpeg4 is losing lots of its bits in encoding the slight one-line differences between the frames so it doesn't have enough bits left to encode the actual scene well. |
| 17:19 | <rmj> | fixing the problem is not as easy as I'd hoped. I was hoping moving the bottom field down one that after scaling x-video would have the lines from each field aligned correctly but x-video probably has a fairly sophisticated scaling algo which doesn't end up like this (a simple line doubline would have done the trick). I'm going to experiment with line double the new fields both before and after encoding to see if I can improve this. |
| 17:20 | <rmj> | doubline = doubling |
| 17:20 | <Chutt> | weaving? |
| 17:22 | <rmj> | I'm not sure weaving is the same thing, I thought weaving meant taking the non-moving parts of both |
| 17:22 | <rmj> | fields and doing something else with the moving bits but I'm not sure so what i've just described might be weaving ;-) |
| 17:23 | <rmj> | I'm a bit concered about passing full frames through the encoders but I can see how it goes, I can also steal |
| 17:24 | <rmj> | some mmx code to do bobbing with full frame size (xine and transcode has one of these that looks like it works in yuv420) |
| 17:26 | <rmj> | (although they've introduced a bug into the code (they ported it from dscaler) which means they are just dropping every second field (which can look ok, it removes interlacing artefacts but decreases smoothness) |
| 17:26 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 17:27 | <rmj> | I was also wondering, do you see interlacing problems on your tv when looking at sports material with mythtv? |
| 17:27 | <Chutt> | nope |
| 17:28 | <rmj> | yup, I figure the g400 in clone mode is doing something different to some of the nvidia setups. |
| 17:29 | <rmj> | do you run in a mode which clones your computer display or do you have a true dual-head output where the computer and tv are different screens? |
| 17:29 | <Chutt> | when i have it hooked up to the tv, that's the only display |
| 17:31 | <rmj> | ok, this is probably the difference, the card knows its sending to an interlaced device so the interlaced frames you've captured from the card and presented as two fields straight to the tv-out rather than to the progressive monitor then cloned out. This is the problem which the directfb code attempts to solve. |
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| 17:31 | <rmj> | it creates an interlaced fb to output directly to hence solving the problem. |
| 17:32 | <rmj> | I dont suppose you've noticed if you see interlacing artefacts in fast moving sports programs on your computer monitor? |
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| 17:34 | <rkulagow_> | this was on the v4l list: |
| 17:34 | <rkulagow_> | "I was looking at the myth-tv project for a while, but they do all their mpeg |
| 17:34 | <rkulagow_> | encoding in software, and they have problems with the audio and video losing |
| 17:34 | <rkulagow_> | sync. :(" |
| 17:34 | <rkulagow_> | we do? |
| 17:35 | <rkulagow_> | duh, next message is isaac. |
| 17:36 | <Chutt> | rmj, of course |
| 17:37 | <rkulagow_> | what's the "of course" refer to. have i missed some sort of scandal? |
| 17:37 | <Chutt> | nope |
| 17:37 | <Chutt> | just discussing the deinterlacing stuff he's working on |
| 17:37 | <rmj> | ok just making sure that some tv cards do deinterlacing on board whilst others don't |
| 17:38 | <rmj> | anyway I think i'll keep trying to get this a bit better coz I'm sure progressive output devices will become more common as tv's in the near future so its worth having even if only g400 ppl get a benefit for now. |
| 17:42 | <Chutt> | yeah, i agree |
| 17:42 | <Chutt> | i just don't want quality to be worse =) |
| 17:43 | <rmj> | of course, :-) |
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| 19:54 | <WAAB> | Looking into MythTV to replace my existing ReplayTV home system. Can someone help me with a few questions? |
| 19:56 | <thor_> | Ask away, but you probably will not get much feedback for questions that are already answered in the docs |
| 20:03 | <WAAB> | Thor_: Well I saw the recent announcement of ver 0.8, which mentions split encoding/playback. What I want to know is how this is presented to the user. For instance if I have a unit in each room, do I have to "copy" shows from one unit to another, or are they all presented as a unified show library? |
| 20:05 | <thor_> | No copying ... any machine (with suitable hardware) can be a backend and/or frontend, and (properly configured) you can easily see all content at any frontend |
| 20:06 | <WAAB> | Thor_: Excellent, also... Lets say I have all my input feeds (digitial cable boxes) attached to my backends, can the front ends view "live tv" through the network? |
| 20:09 | <Chutt> | of course. |
| 20:09 | <Chutt> | that's the entire point of splitting things up |
| 20:09 | <thor_> | bbl, dinner ... Chutt you get new code real soon |
| 20:09 | <Chutt> | great |
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| 20:10 | <PeteCool> | nziarek: have you taken a look at oxine? |
| 20:10 | <PeteCool> | nziarek: Iulius would look great with that |
| 20:11 | <nziarek> | no, i haven't what is it (got a web address?) |
| 20:11 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 20:11 | <WAAB> | Next, I have digitial cable boxes connected to several backends/frontends - I'm watching live tv, and recording different shows. How does the network of backends and frontends choose which units are performing the recording and live tv? is there a logic? |
| 20:11 | <Chutt> | petecool, looks like they're ripping off freevo |
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| 20:13 | <PeteCool> | ripping what? UI looks, or code? |
| 20:13 | <PeteCool> | nziarek: http://oxine.sourceforge.net/ |
| 20:14 | <Chutt> | the ui |
| 20:14 | <Chutt> | not the code, obviously, since it looks to be in c, but... |
| 20:14 | <_inman_> | sorry, ripping the UI from what? oxine? |
| 20:15 | <PeteCool> | nziarek: actually it may not be the best dvd player frontend... the main menu in the screenshots page has too many redundant things |
| 20:15 | <nziarek> | PeteCool: yeah, i was thinking that. |
| 20:15 | <WAAB> | Chutt: Can you answer my previous question, Thor_ has gone away... |
| 20:16 | <Chutt> | it just chooses whatever's free |
| 20:16 | <PeteCool> | anybody seen a microATX board with serial ata yet? |
| 20:17 | <WAAB> | Chutt: Does it prioritize the local cable box for local live viewing? |
| 20:18 | <Chutt> | nope |
| 20:18 | <Chutt> | i haven't bothered making it do that yet. |
| 20:18 | <nziarek> | PeteCool: are you using oxine? |
| 20:19 | <WAAB> | Chutt: Are you the author? |
| 20:20 | <PeteCool> | nziarek: no, just saw it |
| 20:21 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 20:22 | <nziarek> | PeteCool: ah. I thought maybe you were using it in supplement somehow... |
| 20:23 | <WAAB> | Chutt: Very nice peice of code!!! Will love running it on my debian boxes :) |
| 20:23 | <WAAB> | Chutt: I will be moving to a new place in 2 months and want to have a complete MythTV system installed.. beyond the ovious need for a switched network :).. Could I ask you a few quick hardware questions? |
| 20:24 | <Chutt> | i don't really answer hardware questions |
| 20:25 | <WAAB> | Chutt: Fair enough, is the mailing list the best place? |
| 20:27 | <nziarek> | WAAB: I get about 75 messages a day from MythTV-users. The archive is a great way to start: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/archive/MythTV_C2 |
| 20:28 | <Chutt> | bah, -users is only 35 messages a day |
| 20:29 | <WAAB> | nziarek: Thank you very much.... |
| 20:29 | <nziarek> | well, i haven't been home in three days and my mailbox is at 150 messages, so, you might be right.., :) |
| 20:29 | <nziarek> | WAAB: yup |
| 20:30 | <Chutt> | -dev is at 40 or so |
| 20:30 | <nziarek> | Chutt: do you read them all? if so, doesn't it feel like 75? :) |
| 20:30 | <Chutt> | i skim most stuff |
| 20:30 | <Chutt> | i do ignore large portions of it |
| 20:31 | <Chutt> | like the people telling me how to release software |
| 20:31 | <Chutt> | =) |
| 20:31 | <nziarek> | i love those! |
| 20:32 | <nziarek> | :) |
| 20:32 | * _inman_ | snickers. |
| 20:34 | <_inman_> | the backend's reliance on X may not be a result of "broken design", but I don't see why it's a positive feature. |
| 20:34 | <_inman_> | X libs are not exactly small. |
| 20:34 | <Chutt> | to get rid of that dependency, you're going to have to rewrite it without qt |
| 20:34 | <_inman_> | eh? |
| 20:35 | <Chutt> | and how can size matter? |
| 20:35 | <Chutt> | this is recording video |
| 20:35 | <Chutt> | on a server machine :p |
| 20:35 | <_inman_> | i've been recording to NFS... |
| 20:35 | <Chutt> | the backend is written using qt |
| 20:35 | <Chutt> | qt needs x |
| 20:36 | <_inman_> | yeah it does look pretty well entrenched. |
| 20:37 | <Chutt> | very entrenched =) |
| 20:37 | <_inman_> | hmm. so the best we can do is to zotz binaries, eh? |
| 20:37 | <thor_> | Hey, even Cobalt RaQs come with X libraries |
| 20:37 | <_inman_> | ugh. i hated that product. |
| 20:38 | <thor_> | Headless does no mean X-less |
| 20:38 | <Chutt> | i think the whole thing's silly |
| 20:38 | <_inman_> | i agree that it doesn't make much sense if we can't rip the libs. |
| 20:39 | <_inman_> | man i wish i was home. |
| 20:40 | <_inman_> | is skeeterskip here? |
| 20:46 | <_inman_> | Chutt: it looks like the MC/i18n directory may be missing from CVS...? |
| 20:46 | <_inman_> | i can't `make distclean` after updating... |
| 20:47 | <Chutt> | cvs -z3 update -PAd |
| 20:47 | <_inman_> | thanks |
| 20:47 | <Chutt> | well, just need the -d, i believe |
| 20:47 | <Chutt> | to create new directories |
| 20:47 | <_inman_> | yeah, forgot about that. |
| 20:47 | <Chutt> | unless i really did forget about adding that |
| 20:47 | <Chutt> | but i don't think i did =) |
| 20:47 | <_inman_> | no, it's there. |
| 20:49 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: I have "problems" with the cutpoint editor with a 2hour movie |
| 20:49 | <PeteCool> | I have to get in/out of the editor mode or it crashes |
| 20:49 | <Chutt> | have to get in/out? |
| 20:49 | <PeteCool> | press m, then m again |
| 20:50 | <PeteCool> | or over time it moves only a few frames back/forth insted of the defined time |
| 20:50 | <thor_> | Chutt, on its way |
| 20:50 | <Chutt> | sweet |
| 20:50 | <PeteCool> | ends up getting "out" of that recording (back to watch recorings), or it hangs mythtv |
| 20:50 | <PeteCool> | like it just did |
| 20:50 | <Chutt> | petecool, can you describe it more? |
| 20:51 | <PeteCool> | I try to edit out the ads, so I move back/forth LOTS, and change move length lots too |
| 20:52 | <PeteCool> | but after about 100 moves, it doesn't work as it should |
| 20:52 | <PeteCool> | I say to move 1 minute, but it moves frame-by-frame |
| 20:52 | <PeteCool> | looks a little like the "moving-backwards-wall" problem |
| 20:52 | <Chutt> | could be the same thing, yeah |
| 20:53 | <PeteCool> | actually this might be exactly it, because I had to "get in and out" of the editor to back up a few times |
| 20:54 | <PeteCool> | but it's an old recording, maybe it's missing something? |
| 20:54 | <Chutt> | how old? |
| 20:55 | <Chutt> | really old recordings shouldn't be editable in the first place |
| 20:55 | <PeteCool> | march 1st, so it was recorded with feb 25 CVS at worst |
| 20:55 | <Chutt> | naw, that's not old =) |
| 20:55 | <PeteCool> | now I can't even enter the cutpoint editor |
| 20:55 | <Chutt> | thor, need a 'using namespace std;' in playlist.cpp |
| 20:56 | <thor_> | ok |
| 20:56 | <Chutt> | and an include for iostream and that same line in treecheckitem.cpp |
| 20:56 | <thor_> | ok |
| 20:57 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 20:57 | <Chutt> | need to update mythtv for the widget changes |
| 20:58 | <thor_> | bleeding edge |
| 20:58 | <Chutt> | i need to spend time with my wife, so, i'll be back in an hour or two |
| 21:10 | <_inman_> | poptix: who are you "paying beer" to add PVR support to Myth? |
| 21:16 | <nziarek> | moegreen: a while back you mentioned a page that you refer to instead of the actual weather page on mSNBC...how did you find that? I am working on MythSports (slowly but surely!) and I was wondering if I could ifnd an easier way to grab info... |
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| 21:58 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: I said I couldn't enter the cutpoint editor... |
| 21:58 | <_inman_> | liar |
| 21:59 | <PeteCool> | but, as ads are about to arrive, I press pause once (to pause the video), fast forward about two minutes, unpause, and it starts playing back to where I set the playback to resume! |
| 21:59 | <PeteCool> | very weird stuff |
| 21:59 | <_inman_> | hey, i can never edit. must need to rtfm. |
| 21:59 | <RagnaRoC> | Hello! I am running MythTV 0.8 on Gentoo and am having sound problems...before anyone gives me the stock answers I did go over the docs(Unless I did not udnerstand something) Alsamixer is set up with "captur" set to Aux and muted (my TV tuner source) and the second captur set to Capure with level at 100 %...I can get analog sound from actual broadcast but not the encoded sound from mythtv :( |
| 22:00 | <RagnaRoC> | Video is smooth and working and rewinds ect |
| 22:00 | <RagnaRoC> | I know it is not a cpu time issue ect |
| 22:00 | <_inman_> | are you sure myth is pointing at the right device? |
| 22:00 | <PeteCool> | RagnaRoC: if you're using alsa you should tell mythtv to use /dev/sound/dsp |
| 22:00 | <RagnaRoC> | yes pretty much. Is pointed to /dev/dsp but this is what I get from mythbackend: |
| 22:01 | <RagnaRoC> | Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV |
| 22:01 | <RagnaRoC> | Cannot open DSP '', dying. |
| 22:01 | <RagnaRoC> | Could not detect audio blocksize |
| 22:01 | <RagnaRoC> | Cannot open DSP '', exitingaudio volume set to '32768' |
| 22:01 | <RagnaRoC> | I have allready killall artsd as well |
| 22:01 | <RagnaRoC> | everythign else that needs /dev/dsp works |
| 22:02 | <RagnaRoC> | ... /dev/dsp/ is a link on my system to /dev/sound/dsp I believe |
| 22:03 | <Chutt> | thor, still around? |
| 22:03 | <thor_> | yes |
| 22:03 | <Chutt> | i think this works really well |
| 22:03 | <Chutt> | except for it doubling the entries in the current queue when you select 'save to new playlist' |
| 22:04 | <thor_> | few bugs, lots to clean up, but the interface is right? |
| 22:04 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 22:04 | <thor_> | Yeah! |
| 22:04 | <thor_> | Will clean, improve, debug tomorrow and put another patch on the list |
| 22:05 | <RagnaRoC> | just to be sure I just changed it to /dev/sound/dsp in setup>playback inside mythtv just now and still only orignal sound no sound from myth TV |
| 22:05 | <RagnaRoC> | and when I mute the orignal TV input (Aux) and set second captur (In alsamixer) to Caputure I still onyl get orignal sound :( |
| 22:06 | <RagnaRoC> | I don't know what else could be done as I have read isntructions pretty carefully |
| 22:06 | <Chutt> | the error messages indicate that the sound device is not in the database. |
| 22:06 | <RagnaRoC> | chutt: So what did I do wrong OR what would soloution be? |
| 22:07 | <RagnaRoC> | this is driving me nuts |
| 22:07 | <RagnaRoC> | video is so smooth even on my slow box but without the audio it is not good for much |
| 22:07 | <Chutt> | i dunno, figure out why it's not in the database |
| 22:07 | <thor_> | Setup? |
| 22:08 | <RagnaRoC> | rerun? |
| 22:08 | <thor_> | can't make things worse |
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| 22:08 | <RagnaRoC> | thor: ok Will give it a try |
| 22:08 | <Chutt> | make sure your db is setup properly, etc. |
| 22:08 | <thor_> | and make sure you all the way through the setup |
| 22:08 | <Chutt> | thor, i think this will work very nicely once the minor little bugs are ironed out =) |
| 22:08 | <RagnaRoC> | chutt: My database works fine |
| 22:09 | <RagnaRoC> | I can list all program listing ect |
| 22:09 | <RagnaRoC> | if that is what ya mean |
| 22:09 | <RagnaRoC> | can you change channels with out going to program guide from within mythtv? |
| 22:09 | <RagnaRoC> | is there a command key for that? |
| 22:09 | <Chutt> | the arrow keys? |
| 22:09 | <Chutt> | the number keys? |
| 22:10 | <thor_> | Is there a jump key? |
| 22:10 | <Chutt> | jump key? |
| 22:10 | <RagnaRoC> | When I use the key pad I get the OSD for channel and then video freezes |
| 22:10 | <thor_> | kidding |
| 22:10 | <Chutt> | because your sound isn't working. |
| 22:10 | <thor_> | sound problems |
| 22:11 | * RagnaRoC | bangs head and goes to try ./setup again |
| 22:11 | <RagnaRoC> | :( |
| 22:11 | <_inman_> | audio is overrated. |
| 22:11 | <RagnaRoC> | bah |
| 22:11 | <RagnaRoC> | Can't watch tv with no sound |
| 22:11 | <RagnaRoC> | :P |
| 22:11 | <thor_> | So is video .... hmmmmm ..... MythBook |
| 22:11 | <_inman_> | put on some Ralph Towner or Richard Thompson -- much better. |
| 22:12 | <Chutt> | thor, i was seriously considering doing a frontend for books |
| 22:13 | <Chutt> | since, for example, all of baen's books are available cheaply in nice formats |
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| 22:15 | <RagnaRoC> | It's working! |
| 22:15 | <RagnaRoC> | Weeeeeeeeeee |
| 22:15 | * RagnaRoC | jumps for joy |
| 22:16 | <RagnaRoC> | Thanks folks for help |
| 22:16 | <RagnaRoC> | :)))) |
| 22:17 | <_inman_> | i'm thinking of breaking the imdb hack out into its own module |
| 22:18 | <thor_> | Chutt, problem is the interface |
| 22:20 | <Chutt> | i dunno, it could probably be done nicely |
| 22:20 | <Chutt> | sitting back in a comfy chair, remote in hand |
| 22:20 | <Chutt> | reading off the screen |
| 22:20 | <Chutt> | some music playing in the background |
| 22:20 | <thor_> | Did you have wine with dinner? |
| 22:20 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 22:21 | <_inman_> | do you really think e-books are viable? |
| 22:21 | <thor_> | Yes, but only in paper format |
| 22:21 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 22:21 | * _inman_ | smirks. |
| 22:21 | <thor_> | I'm not kidding, see http://www.3billionbooks.com |
| 22:21 | <_inman_> | i think they'd work if i could put an entire reference shelf in an e-book. |
| 22:22 | <_inman_> | have you seen the O'Reilly deal where they give you online access to any books you want? |
| 22:22 | <Chutt> | i prefer the dead tree format |
| 22:22 | <Chutt> | but, free ebooks are nice, too |
| 22:22 | <thor_> | Even better, free e-books in dead tree format |
| 22:22 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 22:22 | <thor_> | Really, I'm not kidding |
| 22:22 | <_inman_> | mmmm, dead trees... ;-P~ |
| 22:22 | <thor_> | paper |
| 22:23 | <Chutt> | i'd really just like anything that gave me access to out of print stuff |
| 22:24 | <thor_> | There's lots of digital formats out there (and all the Gutenberg stuff, etc.), just be nice that when you decide which one you want to read and out rolls a library quality paperback |
| 22:24 | <_inman_> | that would be sweet |
| 22:24 | <_inman_> | sometimes, though, digital is better. eg. for a dictionary. |
| 22:25 | <thor_> | Lots of startups trying to make it happen .... anyway, this is getting way off topic ... |
| 22:25 | <_inman_> | what, are you paying by the character? |
| 22:25 | <Chutt> | bah, it's my channel |
| 22:25 | <Chutt> | i can be as off topic as i want |
| 22:26 | <thor_> | Might makes right |
| 22:26 | <Chutt> | i need more books |
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| 22:27 | <_inman_> | sup Chris |
| 22:27 | <Captain_Murdoch> | hey. |
| 22:28 | <Captain_Murdoch> | just reading all the messages from people coming into the list and saying "You know, MythTV would be better if you did X, and Y, and Z..." |
| 22:28 | <_inman_> | you gotta admin, Y is pretty compelling... |
| 22:28 | <Chutt> | it'd certainly would be better |
| 22:28 | <_inman_> | s/admin/admit/ |
| 22:29 | <thor_> | Also better if someone invented a 72 hour workday |
| 22:30 | <Captain_Murdoch> | I just wonder why we have to stick to alphabetical order. I can say the alphabet backwards faster than forwards, I could be on Dave Letterman's Stupid Human Tricks, so I'd prefer to start with Z |
| 22:31 | <_inman_> | you had your chance to sort -r, what happened? |
| 22:33 | <Captain_Murdoch> | that's how I encrypt my emails. |
| 22:34 | <Captain_Murdoch> | still working on a good decryption routine though, takes too long to do it in my head. |
| 22:35 | <_inman_> | mythtv is in sourceforge, right? |
| 22:36 | * _inman_ | doesn't have access to a browser ATM. |
| 22:36 | <thor_> | nopy |
| 22:36 | <thor_> | nope |
| 22:36 | <Chutt> | i have a sf project setup for it to host my screenshots at |
| 22:36 | <Chutt> | but that's all |
| 22:36 | * _inman_ | nods. |
| 22:37 | <_inman_> | do you have any interest in the bug-tracker or future-feature lists? |
| 22:37 | <Chutt> | not the bug tracker |
| 22:37 | <Chutt> | bug trackers where people can post anonymously are pretty worthless |
| 22:38 | <Chutt> | can never get enough information on things |
| 22:38 | <_inman_> | i know the one on SF sucks, but i mean "a" bug tracker or "a" feature list. |
| 22:38 | <Chutt> | i know |
| 22:38 | * _inman_ | nods. |
| 22:38 | <Chutt> | as for features, i pretty much just work on what i think would be fun =) |
| 22:39 | <thor_> | Chutt, you know, I think infinite recursion has gone away |
| 22:39 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 22:40 | <Chutt> | well, hmm |
| 22:40 | <thor_> | Always unique root, and no way to transform a leaf into a reference to that root |
| 22:40 | <Chutt> | so you can't re-reference something |
| 22:40 | <Chutt> | and it always should be possible to completely resolve a list |
| 22:41 | <thor_> | You can never reference Active |
| 22:41 | <thor_> | Snake can never get its tail into its mouth |
| 22:42 | <thor_> | Damn, and all that containsReference() code was starting to work well ... |
| 22:42 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 22:42 | <thor_> | Plus I wrote a setCheckable() routine |
| 22:42 | <thor_> | Ah, now I'm annoyed |
| 22:43 | <thor_> | wait a sec ... |
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| 22:45 | <Chutt> | well |
| 22:45 | <Chutt> | maybe if you save a playlist back onto itself |
| 22:45 | <thor_> | Yeah, exactly |
| 22:47 | <thor_> | As soon as there's an overwrite, I'll be in trouble |
| 22:47 | <Chutt> | right |
| 22:48 | <thor_> | so do I prevent the overwrite, or do I prevent the ability to include stuff that would be a problem iff it was written back? |
| 22:49 | <Chutt> | hrm |
| 22:49 | <Chutt> | might be best to just grey out playlists that are parents of the list in that case |
| 22:50 | <thor_> | so, the latter |
| 22:50 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 22:50 | <Chutt> | if it's not too much trouble |
| 22:51 | <thor_> | No, no, although if I had known playlists would be so damn complicated at the outset, I probably would have just kept working on MythWeb |
| 22:51 | <thor_> | :-) |
| 22:51 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 22:52 | <Chutt> | they wouldn't be if playlists couldn't hold playlists |
| 22:52 | <Chutt> | but, what's the fun in that? |
| 22:53 | <thor_> | So ... to make it sensible to the user WHY things are greyed out, should I put the old/probable write-back name of the playlist in parenthesis after "Active Play Queue"? |
| 22:53 | <Chutt> | sure |
| 22:54 | <thor_> | and grey-out/freeze the "old" one above |
| 22:55 | <Chutt> | right |
| 22:55 | <thor_> | Alright, will do (and debug, and clean) ... now ... sleep |
| 22:55 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 22:55 | <Chutt> | have fun |
| 22:56 | <thor_> | At least I get to use that setCheckable() code ... |
| 22:56 | <PeteCool> | why not just hide the playlists that can't be included? |
| 22:57 | <thor_> | 2 reasons, the display bounces around a lot |
| 22:57 | <thor_> | (trees opening and closing) |
| 22:57 | <thor_> | and it would be hard to keep track of what can't currently be included versus things that have been deleted |
| 23:29 | <poptix> | wah wah wah |
| 23:30 | <poptix> | i'm too fucking lazy to ssh -X <backend> and run setup |
| 23:30 | * poptix | uses mutt's delete thread feature |
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| 23:57 | * bigguy | is [away -={ S.L.E.E.P }=- ] |