| 00:38 | <poptix> | i wonder if it's possible to get a 'wheel' effect in Qt |
| 00:39 | <poptix> | where a list of items 'spin', much like the taskbar on Mac OS X |
| 00:39 | * poptix | pokes Chutt |
| 00:41 | <moegreen> | poptix: i've seen the OS X interface but can't quite place what you're suggesting ... are you talking about the icons along the bottom of the screen? |
| 00:43 | <PeteCool> | moegreen: in watch a recording, I have 7 recordings... but I can scroll down "too much" (8 or 9 times) |
| 00:44 | <moegreen> | is this from a very recent cvs (last hour or two) |
| 00:44 | <PeteCool> | I fetched it right after you put in the fonts stuff |
| 00:45 | <moegreen> | try getting it again, I just made a bunch of changes and that might have been fixed |
| 00:46 | <PeteCool> | moegreen: I'll have to do that tomorrow, sleep time :( |
| 00:46 | <moegreen> | plus I got your file sizes in the delete screen :) (I think it was you who requested that) |
| 00:46 | <PeteCool> | yeah, that was me. Thanks again, you're very quick today =) |
| 00:47 | <moegreen> | np |
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| 00:54 | <Captain_Murdoch> | there's a bug in the playback screen on the time field. it's like it's superimposing 2 numbers or something. this is with CVS as of a couple minutes ago. probably related to the new filesize on the delete screen. |
| 00:55 | <poptix> | moegreen: yes |
| 00:55 | <poptix> | moegreen: basicly the spinning selection, with the current selection zooming in |
| 00:57 | <moegreen> | Captain_Murdoch: yeah I see that, fixed ... I'll check it in shortly |
| 00:57 | <Captain_Murdoch> | thanks moegreen. just noticed it while testing something else. |
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| 01:01 | <rkulagow> | moegreen: are you here? |
| 01:01 | <moegreen> | yeah |
| 01:02 | <rkulagow> | got a second? i want to send you a snapshot to find out if my system is wrong, or if it's something else. weird colors on the "select recording" screen. |
| 01:02 | <moegreen> | ok |
| 01:03 | <rkulagow> | send it to the untzuntz account? |
| 01:04 | <moegreen> | yeah |
| 01:05 | <rkulagow> | on the way |
| 01:07 | <moegreen> | The colors are correct, but it looks bad because I haven't finished implementing the themes into it yet, so it's using the same colors for all themes |
| 01:07 | <rkulagow> | ah, ok. i was just worried that light gray on medium gray would be hard to read. |
| 01:07 | <moegreen> | if you still want to use that theme you can manually edit the colors for now, it's at the top of the playbackbox.cpp file (the QColor( ... ) statements |
| 01:08 | <moegreen> | if you come up with something that works nice, we can use those colors when the theme stuff is finished |
| 01:09 | <rkulagow> | don't care about it that much; just wondering if you were aware of it. sent you another one for mythweather. |
| 01:10 | <rkulagow> | take a look at the right side when it comes in. |
| 01:11 | <moegreen> | yeah, i see that - hmmm...probably missing a minimumWidth setting in there |
| 01:12 | <rkulagow> | brb |
| 01:13 | <Ndiin> | little empty box to the bottom right of pixmap, right? |
| 01:14 | <moegreen> | just below the pixmap |
| 01:14 | <Ndiin> | yeah |
| 01:14 | <moegreen> | hmm...my mythbackend has decided to not record, that or the frontend has decided not to schedule |
| 01:15 | <rkulagow> | back. |
| 01:15 | <Ndiin> | Did the backend die, maybe? |
| 01:16 | <moegreen> | no, I can still watch TV ... just checked, the programs to record are in the 'record' db table |
| 01:16 | <Ndiin> | odd. |
| 01:17 | <rkulagow> | mythtv is much sweeter when you have enough CPU. |
| 01:17 | <NonToxic> | uhhuh. |
| 01:17 | <rkulagow> | (i've finally got my frontend / backend split working) |
| 01:19 | <moegreen> | 'Didn't find any fields in table 'record'' |
| 01:20 | <Ndiin> | mmm |
| 01:23 | <Ndiin> | hmm, that closed caption stuff was put into cvs, right? |
| 01:23 | <Ndiin> | How do I activate it? =) |
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| 01:41 | * bigguy | is [away -={ Sleep }=- ] |
| 01:51 | <moegreen> | Captain_Murdoch: I'll commit that fix for the extra writing tomorrow, I'm working on having the Delete Recordings screen return to where you were (within a title, etc) after you delete a recording. |
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| 01:57 | <moegreen> | rkulagow: the fix is in for mythweather, found a city w/ 'Fair' weather - it looks good from here, let me know if you still have problems with it |
| 02:09 | <thor_> | moegreen (et. al.), just wanted to say that the new widgets look amazing. |
| 02:10 | <Ndiin> | They are pretty damn nice =) |
| 02:11 | <Ndiin> | The transparent boxes are a little too slow for my taste though, but thats Qt's fault |
| 02:12 | <moegreen> | Ndiin: if you haven't updated in a couple days there were some changes that sped up the transparent stuff quite a bit |
| 02:13 | <Ndiin> | yeah, its faster now, but still kinda slow in comparison to the black |
| 02:13 | <Ndiin> | And the black looks fine to me anyway ;) |
| 02:18 | <Ndiin> | My only suggestion would be to start focus on the righthand list, rather than the left.. but maybe thats just me |
| 02:19 | <Ndiin> | I suppose when I start keeping more recordings, left would be easier *shrug* |
| 02:19 | <moegreen> | hmmm...never thought of that - but that's a good idea, since your most recent recording will be selected right away |
| 02:24 | * Ndiin | likes mythmusic a lot more now =) |
| 02:24 | <Ndiin> | with thor's playlists, and the few UI tweaks from the list =) |
| 02:25 | <Ndiin> | s/list/mailinglist/ |
| 02:42 | <Ndiin> | http://members.cox.net/~ndiin1/mythmusic.png <-- With the UI tweaks |
| 02:42 | <Ndiin> | seems just less cluttered |
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| 04:29 | <poptix> | diddly dum |
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| 07:09 | <PeteCool> | moegreen: I don't like all that much the idea of starting on the right part of the screen... unless it starts on "All Programs"... |
| 07:09 | <PeteCool> | hmm, I think it does that already |
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| 12:01 | <RagnaRoC> | Hello folks! Anyone in here use a stb tv-fm pci tuner card with there mythtv/linux setup? |
| 12:02 | <RagnaRoC> | I have everything workign but have never had stereo sound under linux (I know this card is a stereo model...have used it under windows in stereo) |
| 12:03 | <RagnaRoC> | and I suspect linux does support it in stereo but a matter of getting it configured properly |
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| 13:15 | <RagnaRoC> | anyone here using a stb tv-fm pci tuner card in there mythtv/linux setup? |
| 13:16 | <moegreen> | RagnaRoC: if the card does stereo, then it should do that by default - does it work in xawtv? |
| 13:16 | <RagnaRoC> | card works but as far as I can tell it is mono |
| 13:17 | <RagnaRoC> | I never hear what sounds like stereo effects |
| 13:17 | <RagnaRoC> | no panning ect |
| 13:17 | <RagnaRoC> | 'it appears the 9850 stereo decoder is correctly detected though in dmesg output |
| 13:19 | <RagnaRoC> | none the less as far as I can tell there is no stereo output |
| 13:19 | <moegreen> | RangaRoC: MythTV by default uses stereo, btw |
| 13:19 | <RagnaRoC> | got ya...none the less |
| 13:20 | <RagnaRoC> | as far as I can tell all output is mono |
| 13:20 | <RagnaRoC> | have not once heard a certain indication of stereo output |
| 13:20 | <RagnaRoC> | which makes methink that it is not |
| 13:20 | <RagnaRoC> | for one thing mono always sounds flatter without the depth effect |
| 13:21 | <RagnaRoC> | and I never seem to have sound out of one speaker at a time |
| 13:21 | <RagnaRoC> | always mirrored |
| 13:21 | <RagnaRoC> | as near i can tell |
| 13:22 | <RagnaRoC> | hmmm just foound somethig interesting |
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| 14:10 | <RagnaRoC> | Anyone in here who uses a STB TV-FM PCI tuner card in their mythtv/linux setup? |
| 14:11 | <RagnaRoC> | I have a problem with my tuner where audio is mono only (Also in XAWTV) |
| 14:12 | <RagnaRoC> | but it IS stereo capable |
| 14:12 | <bigguy> | are you getting the audio via btaudio or sound card line in? |
| 14:13 | <RagnaRoC> | sound card aux input |
| 14:13 | <RagnaRoC> | patch cable |
| 14:13 | <RagnaRoC> | have not been able to figure out how to setup btaudio to work with this card |
| 14:16 | <RagnaRoC> | hello? |
| 14:16 | * RagnaRoC | sighs and wonder if he will ever get stereo sound again (It did work under windows) |
| 14:17 | <bigguy> | well if it's via a patch cable then it doesn't look like there is a fix |
| 14:17 | <moegreen> | i'd imagine google will bring up some results which tell you how to setup btaudio (if it is supported) and how to ensure the sound is stereo |
| 14:18 | <RagnaRoC> | bigguy: explain |
| 14:18 | <RagnaRoC> | moegreen: have looked on yahoo with no success |
| 14:18 | <RagnaRoC> | I can't believe that linux does not support THIS card in stereo |
| 14:18 | <RagnaRoC> | it was a very popular card for awhile |
| 14:19 | <RagnaRoC> | but finding info is a pain |
| 14:19 | <RagnaRoC> | I have specs |
| 14:19 | <moegreen> | I'm sure it is supported, there isn't really anything different - the card will output stereo if it has a stereo tuner |
| 14:20 | <RagnaRoC> | it has stereo hardware |
| 14:20 | <RagnaRoC> | none the less....output is mono |
| 14:20 | <RagnaRoC> | I am sure |
| 14:20 | <RagnaRoC> | + |
| 14:20 | <RagnaRoC> | I know that with the open source drivers for this card under windows had same problem |
| 14:20 | <RagnaRoC> | they said they could nto support stereo with oout mor einfo |
| 14:20 | <RagnaRoC> | so I know it is not somethign I am doing wrong |
| 14:22 | <RagnaRoC> | if someone can help me find some info or someone who uses this card it would be most helpful |
| 14:22 | <RagnaRoC> | because if it was so easy to get it going I would have done so allready |
| 14:23 | <moegreen> | http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/mini/BTTV-6.html mentions your card and stereo support |
| 14:23 | <bigguy> | what dsp chip does it have on board and is it the 848 or bt878 model |
| 14:23 | <bigguy> | moegreen: there are other stb tv tuners |
| 14:23 | <RagnaRoC> | moegreen: i think I have been there allready but checking again |
| 14:23 | <RagnaRoC> | one sec for info on specs |
| 14:24 | <RagnaRoC> | by the way my tuner card is a Dell OEM |
| 14:24 | <RagnaRoC> | card is BT878 |
| 14:24 | <bigguy> | mine is an oem too but I haven't set it up yet under linux or windows |
| 14:24 | <RagnaRoC> | Stereo Decoder tda9850 |
| 14:24 | <RagnaRoC> | supports Dolby dbx stereo |
| 14:25 | <RagnaRoC> | tuner is Phillips FM1236 Combo OR Temic 4039 Combo |
| 14:25 | <bigguy> | mines and 848 with a tda9850T |
| 14:25 | <RagnaRoC> | Audio MUX Philips TEA6420 |
| 14:25 | <bigguy> | mine is an |
| 14:26 | <moegreen> | RagnaRoC: what does your dmesg output say? Is it recognizing it as that card? |
| 14:26 | <RagnaRoC> | right |
| 14:26 | <RagnaRoC> | yes...I have had to manually feed bttv the tuner type but card type is autodetected properly |
| 14:26 | <RagnaRoC> | would you care to see output |
| 14:26 | <RagnaRoC> | ? |
| 14:26 | <moegreen> | the impotant parts |
| 14:26 | <RagnaRoC> | of course :P |
| 14:27 | <RagnaRoC> | posting to main sicne it is so dead in here |
| 14:29 | <RagnaRoC> | i2c-core.o: i2c core module version 2.7.0 (20021208) |
| 14:29 | <RagnaRoC> | i2c-algo-bit.o: i2c bit algorithm module version 2.7.0 (20021208) |
| 14:29 | <RagnaRoC> | Linux video capture interface: v1.00 |
| 14:29 | <RagnaRoC> | bttv: driver version 0.7.96 loaded |
| 14:29 | <RagnaRoC> | bttv: using 4 buffers with 2080k (8320k total) for capture |
| 14:29 | <RagnaRoC> | bttv: Host bridge is Intel Corp. 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX Host bridge |
| 14:29 | <RagnaRoC> | bttv: Host bridge needs ETBF enabled. |
| 14:29 | <RagnaRoC> | bttv: Bt8xx card found (0). |
| 14:29 | <RagnaRoC> | bttv0: Bt878 (rev 2) at 00:10.0, irq: 9, latency: 132, mmio: 0xf4005000 |
| 14:29 | <RagnaRoC> | bttv0: detected: STB TV PCI FM, P/N 6000704 [card=40], PCI subsystem ID is 10b4:2636 |
| 14:29 | <RagnaRoC> | bttv0: using: BT878(STB2) [card=40,autodetected] |
| 14:29 | <RagnaRoC> | bttv0: enabling ETBF (430FX/VP3 compatibilty) |
| 14:29 | <RagnaRoC> | bttv0: using tuner=-1 |
| 14:29 | <RagnaRoC> | bttv0: i2c: checking for TDA9875 @ 0xb0... not found |
| 14:29 | <RagnaRoC> | bttv0: i2c: checking for TDA7432 @ 0x8a... found |
| 14:29 | <RagnaRoC> | tda7432: init |
| 14:29 | <RagnaRoC> | bttv0: i2c attach [client=TDA7432,ok] |
| 14:29 | <RagnaRoC> | tvaudio: TV audio decoder + audio/video mux driver |
| 14:29 | <RagnaRoC> | tvaudio: known chips: tda9840,tda9873h,tda9874h/a,tda9850,tda9855,tea6300,tea6420,tda8425,pic16c54 (PV951) |
| 14:29 | <RagnaRoC> | tvaudio: found tea6420 |
| 14:29 | <RagnaRoC> | bttv0: i2c attach [client=tea6420,ok] |
| 14:29 | <RagnaRoC> | tvaudio: found tda9850 |
| 14:29 | <RagnaRoC> | bttv0: i2c attach [client=tda9850,ok] |
| 14:29 | <RagnaRoC> | tuner: probing bt848 #0 i2c adapter [id=0x10005] |
| 14:30 | <RagnaRoC> | tuner: chip found @ 0xc6 |
| 14:30 | <RagnaRoC> | bttv0: i2c attach [client=(unset),ok] |
| 14:30 | <RagnaRoC> | bttv0: registered device video0 |
| 14:30 | <RagnaRoC> | bttv0: registered device vbi0 |
| 14:30 | <RagnaRoC> | that should be all of the relevent sections of dmesg |
| 14:31 | <bigguy> | hmm |
| 14:31 | <RagnaRoC> | ? |
| 14:32 | <bigguy> | isn't btaudio also a module you need to load? |
| 14:32 | <RagnaRoC> | no |
| 14:32 | <bigguy> | I don't know haven't used it yet so |
| 14:32 | <RagnaRoC> | it works fine without it |
| 14:33 | <RagnaRoC> | and when I tried to load it it find the bt878 but nothing else and registers the analog and digital DSP devices but I get no out put from them and I checked that the sampling rate and dsp device were correct within mythtv |
| 14:34 | <RagnaRoC> | so btaudio is useless unless someone can tell me what else I need to do to make it work |
| 14:35 | <RagnaRoC> | it is very frustrating as I can see nothing wrong but I trust my ears |
| 14:35 | <RagnaRoC> | and my ears say "MONO" |
| 14:35 | <RagnaRoC> | which sucks |
| 14:36 | <bigguy> | *tea6300.o |
| 14:36 | <bigguy> | The driver for the tea6300 fader chip. If you have a stereo |
| 14:36 | <bigguy> | card and the msp3400.o doesn't work, you might want to try this |
| 14:36 | <bigguy> | one. This chip is seen on most STB TV/FM cards (usually from |
| 14:36 | <bigguy> | Gateway OEM sold surplus on auction sites). |
| 14:36 | <bigguy> | tried that? |
| 14:36 | <RagnaRoC> | no I suppose I could manauly modprobe or insmod it |
| 14:36 | <RagnaRoC> | don't knwo if would have to remove one of the other chips drivers first though |
| 14:37 | <bigguy> | doubt it |
| 14:37 | <moegreen> | i'd also try |
| 14:37 | <moegreen> | tda9855.o |
| 14:37 | <moegreen> | The driver for the tda9855 stereo decoder / audio processor chip. |
| 14:37 | <RagnaRoC> | I'll try loading it |
| 14:37 | <RagnaRoC> | brb |
| 14:37 | <bigguy> | k |
| 14:46 | <RagnaRoC> | Well I did modprobe tvaudio tda6300...don't knwo if it has made a difference yet and can't even tell if that specific thing is working...plus allready did tda9855 |
| 14:46 | <bigguy> | ah |
| 14:46 | <RagnaRoC> | wish I had a stereo indicator |
| 14:47 | <bigguy> | try listening to audio from the tvcards dsps |
| 14:47 | <RagnaRoC> | otherwise I have to wait for the rigth sound bite comes along |
| 14:47 | <bigguy> | there was something in the faq I thought about figureing out the dsp stuff |
| 14:48 | <RagnaRoC> | ? |
| 14:49 | <RagnaRoC> | listennign to audio from tv's dsp? how what dould I pipe it from and what to? |
| 14:49 | <RagnaRoC> | please give me an example to try |
| 14:50 | <RagnaRoC> | I do I know that the /dev/video and /dev/vbi and /dev/soud/dsp are currently allocated to the tv |
| 14:50 | <RagnaRoC> | ..... /dev/sound/dsp that is |
| 14:51 | <bigguy> | sec looking for the answer myself |
| 14:51 | <RagnaRoC> | ok |
| 14:56 | <bigguy> | hmm where is the digital dsp? |
| 14:57 | <RagnaRoC> | . /dev/sound/dsp1 according to dmesg output when I tried loading btaudio |
| 14:57 | <RagnaRoC> | but nothign was using btaudio |
| 14:57 | <RagnaRoC> | it had a 0 next to it |
| 14:57 | <bigguy> | hmm |
| 14:57 | <RagnaRoC> | . /dev/sound/dsp2 would be btaudio analog |
| 14:57 | <bigguy> | I think the other modules need to be loaded before btaudio but I may be wrong |
| 14:58 | <RagnaRoC> | these devices do exisist when btaudio is loaded but have no sound of course since nothing is using the driver |
| 14:58 | <RagnaRoC> | define "other" modules |
| 14:58 | <RagnaRoC> | ? |
| 14:58 | <bigguy> | I meant the tda or tea one |
| 14:58 | <bigguy> | but I'm not positive |
| 14:59 | <RagnaRoC> | yes it was loaded before hand |
| 14:59 | <RagnaRoC> | and after as well |
| 14:59 | <RagnaRoC> | tried it bothways |
| 14:59 | <RagnaRoC> | no success |
| 14:59 | <RagnaRoC> | I read the samethign someplace |
| 14:59 | <bigguy> | k tried setting it up with myth usinf the digital dsp at 32000Hz? |
| 14:59 | <RagnaRoC> | I set that rate from within mythfrontend |
| 15:00 | <RagnaRoC> | I know btaudio only works at that rate |
| 15:00 | <RagnaRoC> | Did read the docs and forums ect |
| 15:00 | * RagnaRoC | looks at system with angry gleam in eye |
| 15:00 | <bigguy> | hmm |
| 15:01 | <bigguy> | I know some people even with the same cards have mixed results with btaudio |
| 15:01 | <RagnaRoC> | yes...cause the cards differ in the exact chips used from revision to revisione ct |
| 15:01 | <RagnaRoC> | and mine is a Dell OEM...keep this in mind |
| 15:02 | <bigguy> | I know some that have mixed results even with the same revisions |
| 15:02 | <RagnaRoC> | was installed on system when it was purchsed |
| 15:02 | <bigguy> | mine is a Dell OEM as well |
| 15:02 | <RagnaRoC> | if you have better luck then me please let me know |
| 15:02 | <bigguy> | but it has the 848 chip instead of the 878 |
| 15:02 | <RagnaRoC> | I am quite frustrtaed that everything but this one BS problem is ok |
| 15:02 | <RagnaRoC> | really? |
| 15:02 | <RagnaRoC> | 848? |
| 15:02 | <RagnaRoC> | not 878? |
| 15:02 | <bigguy> | I have a wintv go that I've used before but it doesn't support btaudio |
| 15:03 | <bigguy> | RagnaRoC: it's an older oem |
| 15:03 | <RagnaRoC> | ahhh |
| 15:03 | <bigguy> | built in 96 |
| 15:03 | <RagnaRoC> | I was about to say.... |
| 15:03 | <RagnaRoC> | wow |
| 15:03 | <RagnaRoC> | indeed |
| 15:03 | <RagnaRoC> | this model has been around in various incarnations for quite awhile I know |
| 15:03 | <bigguy> | has a power out for a webcam |
| 15:03 | <RagnaRoC> | it is not the firstt one I've even owned |
| 15:04 | <RagnaRoC> | but the first one was a retail box |
| 15:04 | <bigguy> | and svideo and rca input |
| 15:04 | <RagnaRoC> | not rotten OEM |
| 15:04 | <RagnaRoC> | ya mine has svideo and RCA and audio out ect |
| 15:04 | <RagnaRoC> | stereo audio out |
| 15:04 | <RagnaRoC> | I knwo this card can do it |
| 15:05 | <RagnaRoC> | I just wish I knew why it was working |
| 15:05 | <RagnaRoC> | I know you guys are trying |
| 15:05 | <RagnaRoC> | just frustarted |
| 15:05 | <bigguy> | yeah I understand |
| 15:05 | <RagnaRoC> | this system has taken alotta work to get up and running...my first install of Gentoo from Stage one...DL'ed over 56 K no less |
| 15:05 | <bigguy> | well I have got some business to attend too. I wish you luck |
| 15:06 | <RagnaRoC> | thank you for your time and effort...oh BTW |
| 15:06 | <bigguy> | heh I don't even wanna mess with gentoo |
| 15:06 | <RagnaRoC> | here is my e-mail |
| 15:06 | <RagnaRoC> | fla_hawk1@yahoo.com |
| 15:06 | <moegreen> | 1 |
| 15:06 | <RagnaRoC> | mail me if you get yours working |
| 15:06 | <moegreen> | errr...oops |
| 15:06 | <RagnaRoC> | gentoo is not so bad |
| 15:07 | <RagnaRoC> | I am not exactly a rocket scientist and mine system is runnning perfectly |
| 15:07 | <bigguy> | RagnaRoC: I've been using debian for far too long now to drop it |
| 15:07 | <RagnaRoC> | I hear ya |
| 15:07 | <RagnaRoC> | well whatever works is my motto |
| 15:07 | <RagnaRoC> | ;) |
| 15:07 | <RagnaRoC> | anyway keep my email |
| 15:07 | <RagnaRoC> | and let me knwo how it goes |
| 15:07 | <RagnaRoC> | k? |
| 15:08 | <bigguy> | I don't want to compile every app from scratch seeing as how on most apps there is very little improvement speedwise using most of the optimizations |
| 15:08 | <bigguy> | k |
| 15:08 | <RagnaRoC> | thanks |
| 15:08 | * bigguy | is afk |
| 15:09 | * RagnaRoC | now goes to beat head against wall over stupid card |
| 15:09 | <RagnaRoC> | if I wanna buy another one can some one reccomend one that has good sound and video quality and will work peroperly under linux? |
| 15:09 | <RagnaRoC> | cause I have a feeling I may land up screwe with this card |
| 15:09 | <moegreen> | well i didn't see where else the MythPopupBox is used, so here is a screenshot of it |
| 15:10 | <moegreen> | http://www.untzuntz.com/mythtv/testing/with-popup.jpg |
| 15:10 | <RagnaRoC> | cool...is that another theme? |
| 15:10 | <bigguy> | RagnaRoC: oh before I leave. I hear the ATi TV Wonder the non-VE model works great and with btaudio support |
| 15:11 | <RagnaRoC> | noted |
| 15:11 | <RagnaRoC> | thanks for info :) |
| 15:11 | <moegreen> | RagnaRoC: this is the Iulius theme using the most recent cvs |
| 15:11 | <RagnaRoC> | I may need to replace this one |
| 15:11 | <RagnaRoC> | moegreen: cool |
| 15:13 | * RagnaRoC | is googling for info on his POS tv card |
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| 18:41 | <m0tion> | anyone know if it is possible to play an SACD with your computer (under linux?) |
| 18:42 | <Justin_> | whats a sacd? |
| 18:42 | <Cloak> | super audio cd |
| 18:42 | <Cloak> | http://www.sonymusic.com/sacd/ |
| 18:43 | <Justin_> | http://www.google.com/search?q=sacd%20linux |
| 18:43 | <Justin_> | from the 2 pages i read, it seems the drives are normalish |
| 18:44 | <Justin_> | so a cd player program will make the drive play over analog out? |
| 18:44 | <Justin_> | but you can't digitally rip them yet? |
| 18:45 | <m0tion> | well, i know SACD is the same format as DVD |
| 18:45 | <m0tion> | so, you'd need a DVD drive (although some SACDs are backward compatible with CDs, so they will play in a CD player as well), i was curious if anyone had seen a software player for this format |
| 18:45 | <m0tion> | Dark Side of the Moon was released on SACD today =) |
| 18:46 | <m0tion> | it's in 5.1 and I wanted to be able to play it |
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| 19:24 | <NonToxic> | heya pb |
| 19:24 | <NonToxic> | er |
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| 20:51 | <RagnaRoC> | anyone in here using a STB TV-FM PCI tuner card (Dell OEM) ? I have had a problem with not being able to get stereo sound out of it under linux (Stereo was fine when used under windows) |
| 20:54 | <RagnaRoC> | if nobody here is knowledgable on this could somebody possibly point me to a place where I might find someone with a clue? (I am very annoyed with my tuner card) |
| 20:59 | <vektor> | sure |
| 20:59 | <vektor> | what application are you using, just mythtv? |
| 21:00 | <RagnaRoC> | mythtv and xawtv |
| 21:00 | <vektor> | not tvtime? you bastard! ;-) |
| 21:00 | <vektor> | ok, anyway. |
| 21:00 | <RagnaRoC> | tvtime? |
| 21:00 | <RagnaRoC> | never heard of it! |
| 21:00 | <vektor> | it's my tv app. :) |
| 21:00 | <vektor> | but anyway |
| 21:00 | <vektor> | off-topic |
| 21:00 | <RagnaRoC> | oh really? |
| 21:00 | <vektor> | http://tvtime.sourceforge.net/ |
| 21:00 | <RagnaRoC> | cool was about to ask :) |
| 21:00 | <vektor> | i recently discovered that you can set the audio channel in V4L1 |
| 21:00 | <vektor> | xawtv can do it |
| 21:00 | <RagnaRoC> | how so? |
| 21:01 | <vektor> | it can switch between mono/stereo/lang1/lang2 |
| 21:01 | <RagnaRoC> | ahh I have tried from xawtv |
| 21:01 | <vektor> | have you tried that? |
| 21:01 | <vektor> | ok |
| 21:01 | <vektor> | and what happened? |
| 21:01 | <RagnaRoC> | question.......... |
| 21:01 | <RagnaRoC> | that option was only avalible when xawtv was run as root |
| 21:01 | <vektor> | oh? |
| 21:01 | <RagnaRoC> | why would it be gone from menu when logged in as a normal user? |
| 21:01 | <RagnaRoC> | in xawtv? |
| 21:02 | <RagnaRoC> | plus it never seemed to do much of anything |
| 21:02 | <vektor> | to be honest, i haven't used xawtv in a long time, i only browse their source code, since i have my own app |
| 21:02 | <vektor> | so i don't know |
| 21:02 | <vektor> | but that's interesting |
| 21:02 | <vektor> | i need to know some more information from you |
| 21:02 | <vektor> | first, which driver do you use? |
| 21:02 | <RagnaRoC> | I will givee as much as you require |
| 21:02 | <RagnaRoC> | ahhh bttv |
| 21:02 | <vektor> | ok, so it is bttv supported.. |
| 21:02 | <RagnaRoC> | modprobe bttv tuner=2 |
| 21:02 | <vektor> | which version of bttv ? |
| 21:02 | <RagnaRoC> | yes |
| 21:02 | <RagnaRoC> | hmmm nto sure how to check driver version? |
| 21:03 | <vektor> | don't |
| 21:03 | <vektor> | just tell me where you got the driver from |
| 21:03 | <vektor> | you're using the driver in the kernel? |
| 21:03 | <RagnaRoC> | is part of kernel 2.4.20 (Gentoo sources) |
| 21:03 | <RagnaRoC> | so yes |
| 21:03 | <vektor> | ok good. |
| 21:03 | <RagnaRoC> | and ALSA for sound |
| 21:03 | <vektor> | why did you use 'tuner=2' ? |
| 21:04 | <RagnaRoC> | cause correct tuner was not auto detected |
| 21:04 | <vektor> | so wait, you do get sound though, right? just, not in stereo ? |
| 21:04 | <RagnaRoC> | card is right (So it appears) just not tuner |
| 21:04 | <RagnaRoC> | right |
| 21:04 | <RagnaRoC> | sound works and is quite clear but mono only |
| 21:04 | <vektor> | ok. the tuner=2 problem is quite common. |
| 21:05 | <RagnaRoC> | and that is via analog patch to aux input on SB audigy |
| 21:05 | <vektor> | many north american cards misdetected as a PAL tuner |
| 21:05 | <vektor> | and the analog patch cable you're using is a stereo cable, right? :) |
| 21:05 | <vektor> | it has two stripes? :) |
| 21:05 | <RagnaRoC> | of course |
| 21:05 | <vektor> | just checking :) |
| 21:05 | <RagnaRoC> | original cable that has always been on it |
| 21:05 | <RagnaRoC> | no problem |
| 21:05 | <RagnaRoC> | I would rather you cover all bases |
| 21:05 | <RagnaRoC> | :) |
| 21:05 | <RagnaRoC> | I will NOT be insulted |
| 21:05 | <RagnaRoC> | ;) |
| 21:05 | <vektor> | heh |
| 21:06 | <vektor> | well, basically i think you should get it working in xawtv |
| 21:06 | <vektor> | that's what you should focus on |
| 21:06 | <vektor> | i'm not sure if mythtv even supports stereo, although i imagine it does since chutt has that nice card |
| 21:06 | <RagnaRoC> | hmm well I have tried using btaudio instead with no luck |
| 21:06 | <vektor> | what app uses btaudio that you have? |
| 21:06 | <vektor> | oh, does mythtv use it? |
| 21:06 | <vektor> | i guess it probably does eh :) |
| 21:06 | <RagnaRoC> | I have been told by a user in here thhat myth tv defaults to stereo sound |
| 21:06 | <RagnaRoC> | if availible |
| 21:07 | <vektor> | hmm |
| 21:07 | <RagnaRoC> | mythtv will work with bt audio IF card is allready sworkign with it to begin with |
| 21:07 | <vektor> | do me a favour, i need to do something for like 10 minutes, can you send me your dmesg logs (load the modules, with bttv_debug=1), and the log from xawtv in verbose mode |
| 21:07 | <vektor> | like, when you change to stereo in xawtv |
| 21:07 | <vektor> | (when running as root i guess) |
| 21:07 | <vektor> | email them to vektor@dumbterm.net |
| 21:07 | <vektor> | i'll take a look |
| 21:08 | <RagnaRoC> | can you give me 5 or 10 minutes to do this? I will be more then happy to send you anything you require! |
| 21:08 | <vektor> | i hope you don't mind, but part of the reason i'm so interested is that i need to support stereo in my app, and i put in some code to test, but i want to see what's going on with you. |
| 21:08 | <vektor> | sure of course, take as long as you like, email is great that way. |
| 21:08 | <RagnaRoC> | Well this is perfect...we can help each other a bit then! |
| 21:08 | <vektor> | great :) |
| 21:09 | <RagnaRoC> | Well it WILL be there in a few minutes all above requested info so be on the look out as I will stay online for quite awhile and will work over a period of days and weeks if I can help |
| 21:09 | <RagnaRoC> | I am very picky about sound and can't stand mono |
| 21:10 | <vektor> | I understand. |
| 21:10 | <RagnaRoC> | I have 5 speakers 120 watts and sb audigy and mono just kills me |
| 21:10 | <RagnaRoC> | cool...going to work |
| 21:10 | <RagnaRoC> | mail on it's way shortly |
| 21:11 | <RagnaRoC> | oh one more question |
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| 21:11 | <RagnaRoC> | I can't get xawtv to start up in root now...can't grab the display I think...no what I can do? is it a permissions thing? |
| 21:11 | <vektor> | Fucking hell, eh. |
| 21:11 | <RagnaRoC> | I have nto done it in a long time and maybe never on current linux setup...I know it worked inr edhat |
| 21:12 | <RagnaRoC> | LOL |
| 21:12 | <vektor> | Ok, can you join #livid ? |
| 21:12 | <RagnaRoC> | sure |
| 21:12 | <RagnaRoC> | joining now............ |
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| 21:34 | <NonToxic> | Hi, what key do I press to confirm settings in mythweather? |
| 21:35 | <NonToxic> | so I've seen |
| 21:35 | <NonToxic> | er, wrong win |
| 21:35 | <NonToxic> | heh |
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| 21:35 | <Captain_Murdoch> | NonToxic: same key you typed to get in. is it 'i'? |
| 21:36 | <NonToxic> | it seems to be |
| 21:36 | <NonToxic> | thanks |
| 21:43 | <NonToxic> | what lib is cdaudio.h from? |
| 21:44 | <PeteCool_> | libcdaudio |
| 21:45 | <NonToxic> | heh |
| 21:45 | <NonToxic> | thanks |
| 21:50 | <PeteCool_> | no problem |
| 21:53 | <NonToxic> | hmm |
| 21:53 | <NonToxic> | mythmusic doesn't wanna go to me |
| 21:53 | <NonToxic> | s/to/foro/ |
| 21:53 | <NonToxic> | s/foro/for/ |
| 21:55 | <NonToxic> | it just doesn't seem to import my music into the DB |
| 21:56 | <NonToxic> | is there some trick to it? |
| 21:56 | <PeteCool_> | did you put the metadata tables in your DB? |
| 21:56 | <NonToxic> | uhm... |
| 21:56 | * NonToxic | looks sheepish and rtfms |
| 21:59 | <NonToxic> | kickass |
| 21:59 | <NonToxic> | it works |
| 21:59 | <NonToxic> | thanks |
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| 22:22 | <PeteCool_> | hmm, does the lowlat kernel patch have mostly positive effects, mostly negative effects, or neutral? |
| 22:23 | <PeteCool_> | some say it "reduces throughoutput", but I can't really be sure |
| 22:24 | <PeteCool_> | oh wait, that comment was about preempt |
| 22:24 | <PeteCool_> | lowlatency can't be bad for multimedia I guess |
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| 22:44 | <nziarek> | after upgrading mythmusic to cvs, what do I need to do to convert the database? I don't see it on the list. |
| 22:44 | <Bonkers> | hey all |
| 22:44 | <Bonkers> | that new watch program selection is looking real slick whoever is working on it |
| 22:45 | <PeteCool_> | Bonkers: moegreen did it |
| 22:46 | <PeteCool_> | nziarek: first see which columns are missing in the db |
| 22:46 | <Bonkers> | I saw all the stuff goign by on the cvs commits, but i had no idea what it was until I updated my copy to cvs today |
| 22:47 | <nziarek> | PeteCool: oh...i thought there was a sql script to be run or something... |
| 22:47 | <nziarek> | PeteCOol: i don't really know enough to do an "real" work :) |
| 22:48 | <nziarek> | but I am jsut adventerous enough to screw everything up =) |
| 22:49 | <PeteCool_> | nziarek: if you don't have too much mp3's (they're slow to scan), you could just drop the musicmetadata table, and the one about playlists I forgot the exact name |
| 22:49 | <PeteCool_> | nziarek: then reinsert the table structure with the metadata.sql "script" |
| 22:49 | <PeteCool_> | then wait while your metadata table is re-filled |
| 22:50 | <PeteCool_> | nziarek: that's the easiest way |
| 22:51 | <nziarek> | where can I get the commands to drop the table and then reinsert it? |
| 22:51 | <nziarek> | i really am trying to learn :) |
| 22:52 | <PeteCool_> | nziarek: first log into the mysql command-line interface: mysql -u mythtv -p (or whatever your username is) |
| 22:53 | <PeteCool_> | then after you put in the password, do \u mythconverg |
| 22:54 | <PeteCool_> | then, drop table musicmetadata; |
| 22:54 | <PeteCool_> | drop table musicplaylist |
| 22:54 | <PeteCool_> | (forgot the ";" there) |
| 22:54 | <PeteCool_> | then \q to exit |
| 22:54 | <NonToxic> | is there a way to get better compression on recorded clips? |
| 22:54 | <PeteCool_> | then insert the metadata.sql file as per the docs |
| 22:55 | <NonToxic> | 1.9gb is a little excessive for a 30minute episode of a show IMHO |
| 22:55 | <PeteCool_> | NonToxic: you can play with the recorder settings... but note what the defaults are, sometimes the results are messy |
| 22:55 | <PeteCool_> | NonToxic: have your tried mpeg4 ? |
| 22:55 | <NonToxic> | no... |
| 22:55 | <NonToxic> | isn't that rather processor-intensive though? |
| 22:55 | <PeteCool_> | NonToxic: what kind of CPU does your myth-box have? |
| 22:56 | <NonToxic> | athxp 1900+ |
| 22:56 | <NonToxic> | but I do other stuff while it records |
| 22:56 | <PeteCool_> | you should be fine |
| 22:56 | <NonToxic> | ok |
| 22:56 | <NonToxic> | is it possible to export recorded stuff to avi? |
| 22:56 | <PeteCool_> | I can compile stuff while it's recording without dropping frames, and I only have a Celeron 1.1Ghz |
| 22:56 | <NonToxic> | hm, k |
| 22:57 | <nziarek> | search through the archives for that - there is a ton of stuff on converting recorded stuff... |
| 22:57 | <PeteCool_> | NonToxic: search the mailing list archives for mencoder, you'll see many different ways to do it |
| 22:57 | <PeteCool_> | I haevn't tried any of then conversion methods yet |
| 22:57 | <Bonkers> | what settings are you at for 1.9GB per 30 minutes? |
| 22:57 | <Bonkers> | I'm using MPEG4 at 4000 bitrate and i get about 800MB per 30 minutes |
| 22:57 | <PeteCool_> | yeah that's weird |
| 22:57 | <Bonkers> | maybe a little more |
| 22:58 | <NonToxic> | Bonkers: default rtjpeg |
| 22:58 | <PeteCool_> | 282megs +- 5% for all my 30mins recordings |
| 22:58 | <Bonkers> | oh, rtjpeg is crap from what I've found |
| 22:58 | <NonToxic> | ok |
| 22:58 | <PeteCool_> | mpeg4 at 352x480 |
| 22:59 | <NonToxic> | hm |
| 22:59 | <NonToxic> | I'm doing 480x480... |
| 22:59 | <NonToxic> | I was quite impressed with rtjpeg's quality though. |
| 22:59 | <Bonkers> | I do 640x480 mpeg4 4000 bitrate |
| 22:59 | <Bonkers> | looks just like TV |
| 22:59 | <Bonkers> | can't tell the difference |
| 23:00 | <NonToxic> | hehe |
| 23:00 | <NonToxic> | only way I can tell is that my tuner, well, sucks |
| 23:00 | <Bonkers> | heh, my cable sucks here |
| 23:00 | <NonToxic> | hehe |
| 23:01 | <Bonkers> | but at home on my other mythtv box it's real nice |
| 23:01 | <inman> | rtjpeg is the only encoding that works for me. |
| 23:01 | <inman> | i can use mpeg4 only at resolutions like 240x160 |
| 23:01 | <inman> | otherwise i get choppy video/audio. |
| 23:02 | <NonToxic> | nod |
| 23:02 | <foom> | what cpu? |
| 23:02 | <NonToxic> | hm, mythbackend seems to be fine... only 30%cpu |
| 23:02 | <Bonkers> | I've got dual 1.4GHz athlons |
| 23:02 | <inman> | athlon xp 2000 |
| 23:03 | <Bonkers> | I record, watch, compile, plus 15 other things all at the same time ;) |
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| 23:03 | <foom> | there's something wrong then...i have athlon 1600 |
| 23:03 | <inman> | i'm on a dual box too |
| 23:03 | <foom> | and it does mpeg4 480x480 default settings record+playback with plenty of CPU to spare |
| 23:03 | <inman> | i just can't afford to give up more than one chip to myth |
| 23:04 | <NonToxic> | inman: is hard drive DMA on? |
| 23:04 | <inman> | gimme your settings exactly, foom |
| 23:04 | <inman> | i'm using scsi, 3.2ms avg seek |
| 23:04 | <foom> | inman: not at the box right now..but it's whatever is myth default |
| 23:04 | * inman | shrugs. |
| 23:05 | <NonToxic> | are you trying to use hardware mpeg-4 instead? |
| 23:05 | <inman> | there was a discussion of this recently. i tried the recommendations... no idea what the problem is. |
| 23:05 | <NonToxic> | when you don't have hardware? |
| 23:05 | <inman> | NonToxic: no |
| 23:05 | <NonToxic> | hmm |
| 23:05 | <inman> | although i do have a hardware pvr, heh. |
| 23:05 | <foom> | did you compile from source yourself? |
| 23:05 | <inman> | yep |
| 23:06 | <foom> | perhaps the mpeg4 library was compiled without optimization or something? |
| 23:06 | <inman> | i've just switched to gentoo to see if it helps |
| 23:06 | <inman> | also dropped to uniprocessor kernel |
| 23:07 | <inman> | what are some good settings to start with? |
| 23:07 | <NonToxic> | grrr |
| 23:07 | <NonToxic> | it couldn't demux the nuv |
| 23:08 | <inman> | btw, i run at 1600x1200 resolution. |
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| 23:08 | <foom> | but your problem is with recording right? |
| 23:08 | <NonToxic> | er, it could be with his resolution |
| 23:08 | <NonToxic> | scaling it up and repainting the screen and whatnot |
| 23:09 | <PeteCool_> | inman: I use the gentoo-sources kernel |
| 23:10 | <foom> | well if you do a recording in mpeg4 it shouldn't be taking more than 40% cpu probably |
| 23:10 | <inman> | i'm using vanilla |
| 23:10 | <inman> | usually takes about 60-85% |
| 23:10 | <foom> | with athlon 2200? |
| 23:10 | <PeteCool_> | inman: those kernels (VM and mostly V4L) are VERY different between those two |
| 23:10 | <PeteCool_> | inman: it takes ~80% MAX on my Celeron 1.1A |
| 23:11 | <PeteCool_> | inman: something is VERY wrong with your config |
| 23:11 | <inman> | well, what? |
| 23:11 | <PeteCool_> | AC97 audio? |
| 23:11 | <inman> | yes |
| 23:11 | <PeteCool_> | that takes some CPU |
| 23:11 | <inman> | cs46xx |
| 23:11 | <PeteCool_> | hmm |
| 23:11 | <foom> | well if it works with rtjpeg and not mpeg4 i wouldn't think it's the audio |
| 23:11 | <inman> | i turned of high-quality mp3 on the latest build |
| 23:12 | <inman> | stupid mod_php downgraded mysql |
| 23:12 | <foom> | but i'd suggest installing ALSA in any case if you haven't.. |
| 23:12 | <inman> | no alsa (yet) |
| 23:13 | <foom> | does anyone know if alsa is going to replace OSS at some point? |
| 23:13 | <PeteCool_> | foom: in the next major kernel (2.6) it will |
| 23:13 | <PeteCool_> | no more OSS |
| 23:13 | <PeteCool_> | well |
| 23:13 | <foom> | yay |
| 23:13 | <PeteCool_> | only in backup form |
| 23:13 | <foom> | someone needs to port the btaudio driver to alsa then. ;) |
| 23:14 | <PeteCool_> | inman: try : ALSA_CARDS="cs46xx" emerge alsa-drivers |
| 23:14 | <PeteCool_> | foom: I think it'll still work |
| 23:15 | <inman> | holdon, lemme test mpeg4 |
| 23:15 | <PeteCool_> | inman: this doesn't look like an AC97 codec (with those, CPU does all the work, and the chip only converts the digital signals to and fro analog) |
| 23:15 | <inman> | it'll be the first test under gentoo |
| 23:15 | <inman> | i'm using the ac97_codec under cs46xx |
| 23:16 | <inman> | omfg do i really need to rebuild qt |
| 23:16 | <foom> | heh gentoo is lame. :P |
| 23:16 | <inman> | wtf, that's a dependency that should be analyzed |
| 23:16 | <PeteCool_> | inman: what makes you say that? |
| 23:16 | <PeteCool_> | what are you trying to emerge ? |
| 23:16 | <inman> | i helped write a `ldd` based dependency analyser. |
| 23:16 | <inman> | this pisses me off. |
| 23:17 | <foom> | i don't understand why people want to compile everything from scratch |
| 23:17 | <inman> | mod_php downgrades mysql, which means i need to rebuild qt |
| 23:17 | <PeteCool_> | I don't see why you'd need to recompile qt |
| 23:17 | <inman> | how do i fix the mysql binding, then? |
| 23:17 | <PeteCool_> | inman: I'd just put back the mysql version I compiled with |
| 23:17 | <inman> | and mod_php? |
| 23:17 | <PeteCool_> | emerge inject =mysql-the-version-mod-php-wants |
| 23:18 | <PeteCool_> | and recompile mod_php |
| 23:18 | <inman> | that's a hack |
| 23:18 | <inman> | i shouldn't have to play these games. |
| 23:18 | <PeteCool_> | a\re you using ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" ? |
| 23:18 | <inman> | yep |
| 23:18 | <inman> | not to be confused with ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~user_likes_to_play_games" |
| 23:18 | <inman> | i swear we're in the dark ages of computing. |
| 23:18 | <PeteCool_> | eh |
| 23:19 | * inman | is a recovering sysadmin. |
| 23:19 | <PeteCool_> | the mod_php maintainer is picky, that's all |
| 23:19 | <foom> | i totally completely fail to see the point of gentoo |
| 23:19 | <PeteCool_> | I think I'll file a bug about that then |
| 23:19 | <PeteCool_> | foom: It's faster |
| 23:20 | <inman> | * If you're upgrading from MySQL-3.x, you must recompile the other |
| 23:20 | <inman> | * packages on your system that link with libmysqlclient after the |
| 23:20 | <inman> | * upgrade completes. |
| 23:20 | <PeteCool_> | foom: kde3 on debian is unusable on a celeron500, but with gentoo it's VERY usable |
| 23:20 | <inman> | that should be done for me! |
| 23:20 | <inman> | i think foom's point is that debian offers much of the same functionality |
| 23:20 | <PeteCool_> | with which mysql version did you compile qt? |
| 23:20 | <inman> | 4.0.12 |
| 23:20 | <foom> | with debian you can apt-get source the things you care about optimizing and compile them youself |
| 23:20 | * inman | resumes the build of 4.0.12. |
| 23:20 | <foom> | and not worry about recompiling the whole OS |
| 23:21 | <inman> | i like gentoo. i think it has promise. it's just not there yet. |
| 23:21 | <PeteCool_> | how would I grep for multiple things |
| 23:21 | <inman> | ditto for myth, if you've seen my recent *users post. |
| 23:21 | <foom> | i bet on any given box there's probably like 3-4 things you actually care about being optimized |
| 23:21 | <inman> | PeteCool_: eh? |
| 23:21 | <inman> | foom: there's a lot i care about |
| 23:21 | <inman> | foom: all the items in my "world" file. |
| 23:22 | <inman> | foom: mozilla, glibc, gcc, X, mysql, qt |
| 23:22 | <PeteCool_> | those big fat packages really are faster with the opts |
| 23:22 | <inman> | may as well compile the little stuff if i'm going to build the big stuff. |
| 23:22 | <foom> | hm. |
| 23:22 | <PeteCool_> | or maybe it's just the better kernel, glibc |
| 23:23 | <inman> | it only took me a few hours to build this box. |
| 23:23 | <inman> | now, my k6-2/450... that took a couple days. |
| 23:23 | * inman | giggles. |
| 23:23 | <PeteCool_> | imagine a k6/200 |
| 23:23 | <PeteCool_> | I did that once |
| 23:24 | * inman | shivers. |
| 23:24 | <PeteCool_> | came back a week after starting it and it was done |
| 23:24 | -!- | PeteCool_ is now known as PeteCool |
| 23:24 | <foom> | maybe i should try it before saying it's pointless but debian already has optimized kernel and some performance sensitive libraries |
| 23:24 | <foom> | i dunno maybe mozilla really could use optimizations. :) |
| 23:25 | <PeteCool> | foom: I did try with about 8 month ago's unstable even... much too slow |
| 23:25 | <inman> | foom: one thing i really like is that i can control dependencies more easily |
| 23:25 | <PeteCool> | but then on a faster comp it's not as easy to see |
| 23:25 | <inman> | i believe that is missing from debian, but i haven't checked recently. |
| 23:25 | <foom> | yeah if you use the binaries you have to use the deps that they compiled with |
| 23:25 | <PeteCool> | inman: I do have mysql-4.0.12, and mod_php, don't remember "inject"ing anything |
| 23:25 | <inman> | in redhat, you may have the Xft library installed and yet still not see anti-aliased fonts in Mozilla |
| 23:25 | <inman> | that's just lame |
| 23:26 | <foom> | that's a problem with some complicated non-modular programs |
| 23:26 | <inman> | PeteCool: i dunno; i'm injecting. |
| 23:26 | <PeteCool> | and it's not wanting to merge anything related to that |
| 23:26 | <inman> | foom: okay, but it's taken care of under gentoo. |
| 23:26 | <inman> | PeteCool: unstable? |
| 23:27 | * inman | is also a python guy, so portage is more attractive. |
| 23:27 | <Justin_> | uh |
| 23:27 | <bigguy> | ugh not the gentoo pushers |
| 23:27 | <foom> | yeah it generally works in debian too if you get the source and change the configure options since it does autodetecting of library dependancies. |
| 23:27 | <Justin_> | mozilla-xft - Mozilla Web Browser - Xft support files |
| 23:27 | <PeteCool> | inman: debian-unstable |
| 23:27 | <inman> | i should submit a patch for portage so it monitors library dependencies. |
| 23:27 | * bigguy | takes away the crack pipes and narcs on the gentoo houses |
| 23:27 | <Justin_> | it also works well if instead of wasting a few hours, you install the little xft lib |
| 23:28 | <PeteCool> | and then you waste hours watching it draw ;) |
| 23:28 | <PeteCool> | oh wait |
| 23:28 | <PeteCool> | does that even in gentoo |
| 23:28 | <inman> | i'm comparing debian/gentoo to eg. redhat |
| 23:28 | <foom> | oh THAT's what i'm missing on some machines |
| 23:28 | <foom> | that's one thing i really dislike about debian - you never find out about those little things |
| 23:28 | <Justin_> | foom: only if you never look |
| 23:29 | <Justin_> | (%:~)- apt-cache search mozilla xft |
| 23:29 | <Justin_> | mozilla-xft - Mozilla Web Browser - Xft support files |
| 23:29 | <bigguy> | foom: what's wrong with apt-cache searching? |
| 23:29 | <bigguy> | heh |
| 23:29 | * bigguy | lags |
| 23:29 | <foom> | i never thought to look for a mozilla xft package |
| 23:29 | <inman> | Justin_: is that a special instance of Xft just for mozilla? |
| 23:29 | <inman> | Justin_: that's a hack if so. |
| 23:29 | <foom> | i just knew that on some machines mozilla was pretty and on others it wasn't |
| 23:29 | <Justin_> | no |
| 23:29 | <Justin_> | its /usr/lib/mozilla/components/libgfx_gtk.so |
| 23:30 | <Justin_> | it diverts the non xvt version |
| 23:30 | <foom> | like why doesn't mozilla suggest mozilla-xft |
| 23:30 | <inman> | a specially built library with xft, right? |
| 23:30 | * inman | frowns. |
| 23:30 | <foom> | if you don't know to look for it you'd never know it's there |
| 23:30 | <inman> | sounds like a hack to me. |
| 23:30 | <Justin_> | er xft:) |
| 23:30 | <foom> | hrm i take that back, mozilla-browser does recommend it |
| 23:30 | <bigguy> | foom: see :P |
| 23:31 | <inman> | times like these, i wish i was running SMP |
| 23:31 | <Justin_> | no |
| 23:31 | <Justin_> | (%:~)- apt-cache show mozilla-browser|grep xft |
| 23:31 | <Justin_> | Recommends: mozilla-psm (= 2:1.3-3), mozilla-xft (= 2:1.3-3) |
| 23:31 | <Justin_> | get a clue... |
| 23:31 | * inman | builds with the best of them. |
| 23:31 | <foom> | justin: be nice. :P |
| 23:31 | * Justin_ | doesn't see how a package is a hack |
| 23:31 | * inman | shrugs. |
| 23:31 | <Justin_> | now compiling everything for no reason, thats a hack |
| 23:31 | <foom> | i'm glad aptitude install exists now |
| 23:32 | <bigguy> | I don't see the point in building all from scratch unless it's bsd which the entire system is in constant devel |
| 23:32 | <Ndiin> | Its not for no reason, depending on the person.. I personally love to patch half the things I use, or more =) |
| 23:32 | <foom> | cause recommend/suggests were useless for a long time when apt-get was the only useful tool and it ignored them |
| 23:32 | <bigguy> | You gain very little by compiling every nitpicky app |
| 23:32 | <PeteCool> | hmm, anybody using the homebrew lirc receiver wanna tell me which driver to use? |
| 23:32 | <PeteCool> | hrm |
| 23:33 | <foom> | i just need to get apt-get install out of my fingers now. :) |
| 23:34 | <moegreen> | PeteCool: You probably want the serial driver |
| 23:35 | <PeteCool> | moegreen: I just thought of looking at dmesg |
| 23:35 | <PeteCool> | moegreen: I now know everything I need :) |
| 23:35 | <bigguy> | very few apps do I build on my own anymore and those few are because I don't want to download 300libs to get a program that works fine with 3 of them |
| 23:36 | <bigguy> | the main one being sawfish |
| 23:36 | <bigguy> | but I still build debs of it |
| 23:36 | <inman> | erm, sound does't work in livetv but works fine for recorded programs. |
| 23:36 | <inman> | gimme a quicky faq |
| 23:36 | <PeteCool> | inman: not full-duplex sound |
| 23:36 | <inman> | video at mpeg4 512x384 is using 79-83% cpu |
| 23:36 | <PeteCool> | inman: you could try alsa |
| 23:37 | <inman> | i think it's actually working better now though |
| 23:37 | <foom> | 512x384 is a kinda strange res |
| 23:37 | <inman> | what do you suggest? |
| 23:37 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: does myth try to access the sound device repeatedly when recording even if access is denied? |
| 23:37 | <foom> | somethingx480 or somethingx240 |
| 23:37 | <inman> | how do i fix my fd sound? |
| 23:37 | <PeteCool> | inman: 352x480 works great for me |
| 23:38 | <PeteCool> | inman: you could try alsa, the driver might be better |
| 23:38 | <inman> | PeteCool: i hear you pete, just don't need the whole alsa headache just yet. |
| 23:38 | <foom> | alsa is pretty easy to add, not much point in keeping kernel sound |
| 23:38 | <inman> | PeteCool: i'll give it a shot once i get oss working again. |
| 23:39 | <PeteCool> | inman: it's very easy, you need to edit about 8 characters in one single file to get it working |
| 23:40 | * inman | nods. |
| 23:41 | <m0tion> | any news on an hdtv tuner compatible with linux? |
| 23:41 | <bigguy> | moegreen: no |
| 23:41 | <bigguy> | erm |
| 23:41 | <bigguy> | m0tion: no |
| 23:41 | <inman> | someone had a problem with my sound driver under alsa/cvs as recently as 2003-01-02 |
| 23:42 | <inman> | alsa can't do duplex. |
| 23:42 | <m0tion> | hmm, thats much too bad |
| 23:42 | <inman> | worked fine under rh8 |
| 23:42 | <bigguy> | inman: what card? |
| 23:42 | <inman> | hercules game theatre |
| 23:43 | <bigguy> | oh heh |
| 23:43 | <nziarek> | anyone have MythWeb working on Mandrake 9? |
| 23:44 | <Bonkers> | I got it working on debian |
| 23:44 | <nziarek> | PeteCool: btw - that MySQL stuff worked perfectly, thanks a lot |
| 23:45 | <nziarek> | i don't know how to get apache to realize it can use PHP to render the HTML; i can get to the page, but it just spits out the PHP code without rendering it. |
| 23:45 | <nziarek> | i asked before and got an answer and had it working, but I can't figure out what I did now :) |
| 23:46 | <PeteCool> | nziarek: you need to tell apache that .php need to be interpreted |
| 23:46 | <PeteCool> | nziarek: let me check what my config looks like |
| 23:46 | <NonToxic> | ...damn... |
| 23:46 | <NonToxic> | mplayer doesn't wanna go... |
| 23:47 | <PeteCool> | nziarek: add this in apache.conf||httpd.conf near the other addtypes: AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .php3 |
| 23:47 | <NonToxic> | it just gives me all black video. |
| 23:48 | <nziarek> | thanks PeteCool |
| 23:48 | <PeteCool> | nziarek: no problem |
| 23:48 | <PeteCool> | nziarek: I owe you some :) |
| 23:49 | <inman> | btw, i love this soundcard. |
| 23:49 | <inman> | really nice external rack |
| 23:52 | <NonToxic> | anyone know why mplayer will only produce black instead of real video when playing a myth-encoded file? |
| 23:52 | <inman> | WARNING: Capture device /dev/sound/dspis not reporting full duplex capability. |
| 23:52 | <inman> | See docs/mythtv-HOWTO, section 17 for more information. |
| 23:52 | <inman> | should s/17/18/ |
| 23:55 | <Bonkers> | I heard mplayer broke recently |
| 23:55 | <Bonkers> | inman: send that to the developer list |
| 23:55 | <bigguy> | NonToxic: because you didn't patch mplayer to support myth's nuv files? |
| 23:56 | <NonToxic> | done that... |
| 23:56 | <NonToxic> | that would cause a demux failure if I didn't |
| 23:56 | <Bonkers> | NonToxic: you using mythtv latest cvs? |
| 23:56 | <Bonkers> | or at least pretty recent? |
| 23:56 | <NonToxic> | Bonkers: no, 0.8 |
| 23:56 | <NonToxic> | yeah |
| 23:56 | <NonToxic> | recent enough |
| 23:57 | <bigguy> | I thought mdz's initial patch was for a 0.9pre |
| 23:57 | <inman> | NonToxic: are you working with the rtjpeg patch? |
| 23:57 | <NonToxic> | i'm using 0.9pre5 of mplayer |
| 23:57 | <bigguy> | are you using the mpeg4 or rtjpeg for encoding? |
| 23:57 | <NonToxic> | and 0.8 of mythtv |
| 23:57 | <inman> | i thought the recent mplayer had the patch. |
| 23:57 | <Bonkers> | hmm, dunno exactly when it broke, you should chekc the mailing list archive |
| 23:58 | <NonToxic> | inman, bigguy: same failure occurs with both rtjpeg and mpeg4 it seems |
| 23:58 | <NonToxic> | no, scratch that |
| 23:58 | <NonToxic> | it works fine with mpeg4 |
| 23:58 | <NonToxic> | rtjpeg fails |
| 23:58 | <inman> | NonToxic: the rtjpeg patch isn't in the recent mplayer |
| 23:59 | <NonToxic> | oh |
| 23:59 | <NonToxic> | where do I get it? |
| 23:59 | <inman> | NonToxic: AFAIK, you need to d/l it from the archives |
| 23:59 | <NonToxic> | is there rtjpeg for mplayer? |
| 23:59 | * inman | nods. |
| 23:59 | <inman> | andrew bishop wrote it a few weeks ago |
| 23:59 | <inman> | i've never used mplayer on nuv files of any type |
| 23:59 | <inman> | fwiw. |
