| 00:17 | <inman> | PeteCool: best to delete from channel, program first. |
| 00:17 | <inman> | PeteCool: so that changing channels works nicely and the guide is clean. |
| 01:09 | <NonToxic> | errr... |
| 01:09 | <NonToxic> | hrm. |
| 01:10 | <NonToxic> | anyony know why mythfrontend would complain that a recorded clip wasn't on the drive, although I can find it there, and it matches up with the content in the DB? |
| 01:11 | <SarahEmm> | permissions OK for the mythtv user to read it? |
| 01:12 | <NonToxic> | mythtv runs as me |
| 01:12 | <NonToxic> | well |
| 01:12 | <NonToxic> | mythfrontend runs as me, and I have permissions |
| 01:12 | <NonToxic> | mythbackend runs as root |
| 01:13 | <SarahEmm> | okie.. i dunno then, as today is my first day using mythtv heh |
| 01:13 | <NonToxic> | hehe |
| 01:13 | <SarahEmm> | it's Very Nifty tho |
| 01:13 | <NonToxic> | yeah |
| 01:14 | * NonToxic | fires up mplayer and begins watching a recorded episode |
| 01:15 | <NonToxic> | grrr, mplayer can't seem to play rtjpeg very well |
| 01:15 | <Bonkers> | mythbackend just shit a brick here |
| 01:15 | <NonToxic> | it tends to block up |
| 01:16 | <Bonkers> | it was all happy, then it started scrolling a bunch of errors, mysql died somehow, now I restarted mysql but mythbackend complains it can't connect to the db still |
| 01:17 | <NonToxic> | oop. |
| 01:17 | <NonToxic> | mplayer's rtjpeg support shit its own brick here |
| 01:17 | <Bonkers> | heh, I've heard it doesn't work really for rtjpeg |
| 01:18 | <NonToxic> | yeah |
| 01:18 | <NonToxic> | it's blocking up badly and the screen is going all colory |
| 01:18 | <NonToxic> | oh and I'm watching a black and white show. |
| 01:18 | <NonToxic> | heh |
| 01:19 | <Bonkers> | it's um, the auto-color plugin ;) |
| 01:19 | <NonToxic> | hehehe |
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| 01:37 | <NonToxic> | man, mplayer REALLY sucks in terms of rtjpeg |
| 01:37 | <NonToxic> | thank god audio works |
| 01:38 | <Bonkers> | mplayer --disable-auto-color ;) |
| 01:41 | <PeteCool> | NonToxic: try the myth.rebuilddatabase.pl script from the contrib directory |
| 01:41 | <PeteCool> | NonToxic: it worked for me |
| 01:42 | <NonToxic> | mk |
| 01:42 | <NonToxic> | Can't locate File/Find/Rule.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.0/i686-linux /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.0 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/i686-linux /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.0/i686-linux /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.0 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl .) at contrib/myth.rebuilddatabase.pl line 50. |
| 01:42 | <NonToxic> | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at contrib/myth.rebuilddatabase.pl line 50. |
| 01:42 | <NonToxic> | ? |
| 01:44 | <PeteCool> | NonToxic: read the beginning of the file, it will tell you it's required perl modules, how to install them, and the arguments to pass the script |
| 01:45 | <NonToxic> | ok |
| 01:47 | <SarahEmm> | nite nite |
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| 01:47 | <NonToxic> | hmm |
| 01:48 | <NonToxic> | PeteCool: ran it, but I still got "Error: file missing!", although the file is there |
| 01:48 | <NonToxic> | and rebuilddatabase says that it found a match |
| 01:48 | <NonToxic> | actually, three matches, which is correct |
| 01:49 | <PeteCool> | NonToxic: it says the file is already in the db? |
| 01:50 | <NonToxic> | yes |
| 01:51 | <PeteCool> | NonToxic: you could try removing their entries from the db, and then re-running the script |
| 01:51 | <NonToxic> | I strace'd it, and it seems to only attempt to open() one of them |
| 01:52 | <NonToxic> | which would lead me to believe that it's erroring out and misreporting the error as being a missing file, but instead being a logic error |
| 01:52 | <PeteCool> | NonToxic: I'm pretty sure it's the db entry which is at least partly wrong |
| 01:52 | <NonToxic> | hrm |
| 01:52 | <PeteCool> | backend hostname maybe |
| 01:52 | <PeteCool> | when I changed my backend's hostname it did that |
| 01:52 | <NonToxic> | oh, yeah |
| 01:52 | <NonToxic> | my machine is now bluefire, no bluefire.joshuawise.com |
| 01:53 | * NonToxic | fires up phpMyAdmin |
| 01:53 | * NonToxic | restarts mythbackend |
| 01:53 | <PeteCool> | NonToxic: don't try updating them without re-specifying the starttime, or it'll become a useless entry |
| 01:54 | <NonToxic> | ? |
| 01:54 | <NonToxic> | I just changed the hostname in the database |
| 01:55 | <NonToxic> | can't I just do that? |
| 01:55 | <PeteCool> | NonToxic: don't be surprized if it doesn't work... depends on how phpMyAdmin does its updates |
| 01:55 | <PeteCool> | NonToxic: does it work? |
| 01:55 | <NonToxic> | oh, yeah, it actually updated it to NOW |
| 01:55 | <NonToxic> | hmm |
| 01:56 | <PeteCool> | the fastest way to play your show is to remove those three entries, rerun the script and give '???' descriptions and names |
| 01:56 | <Chutt> | you've got the correct start times in the file names on disk, so it's not hard to fix |
| 01:57 | <NonToxic> | PeteCool: chutt's right... phpmyadmin is really easy, I juts unselected the 'now' function and pasted in the start time from the output of ls |
| 01:58 | <NonToxic> | and... it works! |
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| 12:05 | <PeteCool> | I'm seeing some weird é \xC3 è characters in mythweb (instead of the correct \xE9 \xE0 \xE8)... just like there were in myth about a month ago |
| 12:05 | <inman> | bah |
| 12:08 | <PeteCool> | hmm |
| 12:08 | <PeteCool> | seems like the copy on my webserver was desynched with CVS |
| 12:08 | <PeteCool> | most of them are fine now |
| 12:08 | <inman> | good. |
| 12:08 | <PeteCool> | and the one screwed character is also screwed in myth... surely an xmltv error |
| 12:09 | <inman> | probably, and don't call me Shirley. |
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| 12:52 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: will the osd changes make something like this easy/easier? http://tarek.2y.net/myth/osd-mock2.png |
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| 14:01 | <Chutt> | petecool, yup. that can be done quite easily now |
| 14:50 | <poptix> | damnit. |
| 14:50 | <poptix> | wouldn't you assume that 'cutlist' means the parts you want CUT from the video? |
| 14:51 | * poptix | smacks hauppauge |
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| 14:56 | <nziarek> | is there a list of the different mythmusic visualizations somewhere? i'd like to see what each one is... |
| 14:58 | <Chutt> | there's a list in the settings file |
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| 15:19 | <ian2> | anyone here? |
| 15:20 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: If I wanted to modify blueosd (when it starts working again), can I just copy it's dir... I remember either tarek or nathan having troubles with a new osd dir being recognized, but it was a long time ago |
| 15:25 | <mdz> | PeteCool: should work |
| 15:26 | <Chutt> | the osd themes are a hardcoded selection box |
| 15:26 | <Chutt> | just have to add to that list and recompile |
| 15:26 | <Chutt> | until i get around to fixing that |
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| 15:33 | <Ndiin> | hmm, seems to be an overflow in the PHP for filesizes like 2.2gb |
| 15:34 | <Ndiin> | on the Recorded page |
| 15:35 | <mdz> | Chutt: I have a pending change which should make that easy; I'll go ahead and do it |
| 15:36 | <mdz> | Chutt: osd themes always have an osd.txt, right? |
| 15:36 | <Chutt> | osd.xml now |
| 15:36 | <Chutt> | ndiin, php apparently doesn't have a 64-bit int type |
| 15:38 | <Ndiin> | no unsigned, either? |
| 15:38 | <Ndiin> | hmm, oh well |
| 15:42 | <Chutt> | mdz, think it'd be feasible to add a advanced menu to the mpeg4 stuff using the popupbox class? |
| 15:44 | <mdz> | Chutt: haven't looked at popupbox |
| 15:44 | <Chutt> | just a child frame, really |
| 15:44 | <mdz> | have a button which opens the popup? |
| 15:45 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 15:45 | <mdz> | I don't see why not...there'd just have to be a Configurable for it |
| 15:49 | <Ndiin> | humm.. function my_filesize($size) works fine on long ints.. (it works for the "Storage" part) |
| 15:51 | <Chutt> | oh, ya know |
| 15:51 | <Chutt> | it's probably not parsing the long long out of the wire format, either |
| 15:51 | <mdz> | Chutt: is the popupbox rendered within the existing dialog, or in a separate window on top of it? |
| 15:51 | <Chutt> | it's technically a separate window |
| 15:51 | <mdz> | but does it get packed between the other widgets, or does it cover them? |
| 15:51 | <Chutt> | covers them |
| 15:51 | <mdz> | ok |
| 15:52 | <Chutt> | but all qt widgets are separate windows =) |
| 15:52 | <Chutt> | just not top level |
| 15:54 | <Ndiin> | just made a short little hack to fix the overflow.. its not a clean hack (as in, correcting the type), but it displays a close approximation, heh |
| 15:54 | <Chutt> | ndiin, the correct thing would be to parse the long long out of the wire format it got from the backend properly |
| 15:55 | <Chutt> | and then attempt to render that |
| 15:58 | <Chutt> | allrighty, that's enough sitting in front of the computer for now |
| 16:14 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: do you think you'll have blueosd working soon? It'd be simpler for me to make a SasQuOSD from blue than from default |
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| 16:21 | <Ndiin> | Chutt: yeah, the problem is that its using preg_match() to parse the data.. PRCE in php supports only the smaller int types, that I can see |
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| 16:37 | <PeteCool> | whoa, 320x480 is much easier on my system than 352x480 |
| 16:37 | <PeteCool> | which would be better? 320x480 with higher bitrate/quality, or 352x480 with less quality? I think the first, but I'd like expert's advice :) |
| 16:43 | <poptix> | try 64x48 |
| 16:43 | <poptix> | it should be really really fast |
| 16:43 | <PeteCool> | won't look like tv though |
| 16:44 | <poptix> | sure it will |
| 16:44 | <poptix> | you just have to look really close |
| 16:44 | <moegreen> | heh, it will look like a webcam :) |
| 16:44 | <PeteCool> | bah, I'll just get a job and work a few days... should be able to do that soon |
| 16:44 | <PeteCool> | then I'll buy a real cpu |
| 16:46 | <PeteCool> | dual athlon xp (modded) with a 1TB raid-5 array should be enough :p |
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| 17:18 | <PeteCool> | rkulagow: to the list of non-working btaudio cards, you can add the Leadtek Winfast TV 2000 XP (NTSC) |
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| 17:53 | <vektor> | where is that list? |
| 17:54 | <moegreen> | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-19.html#ss19.8 |
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| 17:59 | <m0tion> | anyone know if the Mandrake 9.0 instructions work with 9.1? |
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| 18:53 | <Timon> | I haven't seen a net split in a long time. . . |
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| 19:25 | <inman> | Ndiin: is the PHP get-file-size stuff getting it from the db or the backend or what? |
| 19:26 | <inman> | Ndiin: you can do the processing on the value on the backend, be it mythbackend or mysql, to get a value that you can display/parse without exceeding the unsigned 32bit limit. |
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| 20:42 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: I just realized something... some menulist wrap up when you reach the bottom selection (eg, the page where you have 'Watch Tv', Schedule a recording', etc...) while other don't (eg, he prompt on playback exit popup) |
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| 21:21 | <nziarek> | moegreen - you around? |
| 21:27 | <nziarek> | maybe someone else: the new playback box how does it layer the graphics and text? the background, text, then the borders? or background, borders and then text? |
| 21:30 | <moegreen> | nziarek: http://www.untzuntz.com/mythtv/playback/tutorial |
| 21:31 | <moegreen> | basically, background->title text->title border->show text->show border->selection bar |
| 21:34 | <nziarek> | can the selection bar be bigger than the current one? |
| 21:34 | <nziarek> | great tutorial, by the way |
| 21:35 | <moegreen> | the selection bar can be any size, but it will still be drawn at the top and left coordinates as it is now. Once i do more of the formatting and layout theme support, this will likely be able to change |
| 21:41 | <nziarek> | the selection bar goes on top of everything else?? |
| 21:43 | <inman> | yes |
| 21:43 | <moegreen> | nziarek: everything but the selection text |
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| 21:46 | <nyquiljer> | mdz: you around? |
| 21:53 | <nyquiljer> | is anyone with familiarity with the debian stable packages around? |
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| 21:57 | <nziarek> | moe - last question - my updated graphics; i put them in the "default" folder or the "iulius" folder in the themes dir? |
| 21:58 | <moegreen> | nziarek: if you put them in the iulius folder, the code will use those. It is on a per file basis - so you don't have to re-create all of them if you are just changing one or two, etc. |
| 22:00 | <Chutt> | once the playback stuff is more xml-ified |
| 22:00 | <Chutt> | it should be possible to add stuff like your screen titles, etc |
| 22:01 | <Chutt> | nziarek, sometime this week we'll have to mess around with osd graphics, too =) |
| 22:01 | <nziarek> | chutt: sounds good |
| 22:03 | <nziarek> | chutt: should I send you an updated zip file with the new Iulius graphics in it, or should that go to someone else? |
| 22:05 | <nziarek> | chutt: new graphics = updated playback/delete box graphics |
| 22:11 | <PeteCool> | nziarek: I think you should post on the mailing list with an url to an updated zip file |
| 22:12 | <moegreen> | nziarek: do you have a screenshot? |
| 22:13 | <nziarek> | moegreen: just finishing the graphics now, and I didn't change much from yours; i think you added some contour to your borders and iulius is just plain white borders. |
| 22:14 | <nziarek> | PeteCool: i was thinking that these graphics would become part of the iulius theme hosted from mythtv.org |
| 22:14 | <PeteCool> | nziarek: Did you make the corners more rounded? some aren't really round, more like elliptic |
| 22:15 | <nziarek> | yeah, think of the iulius menu bars and that'll give you an idea |
| 22:17 | <TheAsp> | WTF |
| 22:17 | <TheAsp> | it just deleted the wrong recording |
| 22:17 | <nziarek> | BTW, the Popups are pretty cool, but that transparent background seems really slow...it paints it on in sections and takes around 1-1.5 seconds on an Athlon 1.6 |
| 22:17 | <TheAsp> | this is the second time it's done it. |
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| 22:18 | <TheAsp> | and im sure it happened this time |
| 22:18 | * TheAsp | growls. |
| 22:19 | <moegreen> | nziarek: it is slow, there is a function that is faster and looks fine on a TV, but not on a monitor |
| 22:23 | <nziarek> | do you just make a black/trans/black/trans box instead of an opaque graphic? |
| 22:24 | <moegreen> | nziarek: no, it's a fill function that uses a certain density and color, it looks like this: http://untzuntz.com/mythtv/testing/popup-dark.jpg |
| 22:26 | <PeteCool> | it looks 99% the same on a TV at one foot (didn't try farther, though... should be ok on a couch at "normal" viewing distance) |
| 22:27 | <moegreen> | PeteCool: Right ... |
| 22:27 | <moegreen> | i guess the monitor would look the same at that distance |
| 22:27 | <nziarek> | how do you enable that? |
| 22:28 | <moegreen> | nziarek: i have it enabled when you uncheck the 'Use Transparent Boxes' in setup. I will probably make it a seperate option at some point |
| 22:28 | <PeteCool> | nziarek: one is with transparent boxes enabled, the other disabled |
| 22:28 | <nziarek> | ok |
| 22:32 | <PeteCool> | nziarek: looked at the new osd theme format? |
| 22:33 | <moegreen> | TheAsp: Is this is the context of after watching a show and telling it to delete? |
| 22:34 | <nziarek> | PeteCool: ben I think his name is asked for my OSD in photoshop and made something, but Chutt was going to update the OSD code, so I was going to wait on that and work with him as he needed. |
| 22:34 | <nziarek> | PeteCool: have you used it? how does it look? |
| 22:35 | <PeteCool> | nziarek: looked at it a little, but scared me :) |
| 22:35 | <PeteCool> | I have trouble with UI layouts |
| 22:36 | <PeteCool> | nziarek: it's here: http://cvs.mythtv.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/MC/themes/defaultosd/osd.xml?rev=1.1&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup |
| 22:36 | <TheAsp> | moegreen: yea |
| 22:36 | <TheAsp> | h |
| 22:36 | <nyquiljer> | oh, nice |
| 22:37 | <nziarek> | PeteCool: I didn't know CHutt started working on it yet. |
| 22:37 | <nziarek> | and yea, it is kinda scary looking |
| 22:37 | <moegreen> | TheAsp: ok, i may have found a problem with that part of the code...I should have a fix in CVS |
| 22:37 | <moegreen> | shortly |
| 22:38 | <moegreen> | sorry if it was something you really wanted :( |
| 22:38 | <PeteCool> | nziarek: If you give me all the separated graphics I can try doing it |
| 22:38 | <TheAsp> | hehe |
| 22:38 | <TheAsp> | np :P |
| 22:38 | <PeteCool> | nziarek: gotta finish the java and ASM assignments before though.... |
| 22:38 | <PeteCool> | nziarek: bah, doesn't matter... you have them ready? |
| 22:39 | <TheAsp> | im more worried about stuff i wanted to see that didnt notice was gone :) |
| 22:39 | <nziarek> | PeteCool: i have them all in photoshop; just a matter of exporting them |
| 22:39 | <moegreen> | nziarek: the layout config code for the playback and delete screens will likely be moving in that direction too. I have programmed it to be very flexible and allow for being able to place the different list boxes and info in various places on the screen |
| 22:41 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: the <area> tags are relative to what point in the screen? |
| 22:41 | <moegreen> | PeteCool: I think he made them all relative to the top left |
| 22:41 | <nziarek> | moegreen: i think you guys are making me more worthless :) |
| 22:42 | <PeteCool> | nziarek: I can't promise anything, I only said I'd try |
| 22:42 | <moegreen> | nah ... i can promise you that the watch recordings screen wouldn't look any bit as nice as it does without your original mockups and ideas :) |
| 22:42 | <moegreen> | you've seen the original mythweather graphics :) |
| 22:43 | <PeteCool> | nziarek: I have to find out if the Win GIMP port can import PSD's before doing anythin |
| 22:49 | <nziarek> | PeteCool: well, I have the large info graphic, the smaller top graphic and thre different colors for "bars" (like volume and the fast forward/rewind bars) as pngs |
| 22:52 | <nziarek> | www.ziarek.com/storage/osd.zip |
| 22:52 | <nziarek> | let me know if you need anything else |
| 22:55 | <Chutt> | petecool, all coords are absolute to a 640x480 screen |
| 22:55 | <Chutt> | all areas are x,y,width,height |
| 22:56 | <Chutt> | just to make that bit clear =) |
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| 22:56 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: ok, great |
| 22:57 | <Chutt> | i'm still adding stuff, though |
| 22:58 | <PeteCool> | nziarek: what about the arrows: http://cvs.mythtv.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/MC/themes/defaultosd/cut-end.png?rev=1.1&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup |
| 22:59 | <PeteCool> | nziarek: and this one: http://cvs.mythtv.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/MC/themes/defaultosd/position-indicator.png?rev=1.1&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup |
| 22:59 | <PeteCool> | I could use the same one though |
| 23:00 | <Chutt> | look at what ben sent to the list |
| 23:00 | <Chutt> | he has a good start at things |
| 23:02 | <nziarek> | PeteCool: oops, i'll put those in |
| 23:05 | <moegreen> | TheAsp: the fix is in CVS |
| 23:05 | <TheAsp> | cool! |
| 23:05 | <TheAsp> | ill give it a spin tomorow |
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| 23:06 | <PeteCool> | nziarek: ben has come up with some himself |
| 23:10 | <nziarek> | PeteCool: i have the edit bar in that zip now |
| 23:10 | <nziarek> | i do'nt have the other arrows made, though, so just use the current ones for that |
| 23:10 | <nziarek> | or use ben's :) |
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| 23:14 | <Chutt> | hrm |
| 23:14 | <Chutt> | static text strings and text justification done |
| 23:16 | <bigguy> | why does slashdot have to be days late on news and cause problems for me with the /. effect |
| 23:16 | <bigguy> | I've been trying to get the knoppix iso over dialup resuming when I'm not at the computer and now it's so busy I can't even login to resume |
| 23:26 | <m0tion> | is there a group of people working on a DVD -> XVID interface for mythtv? |
| 23:26 | <Chutt> | doubtful |
| 23:27 | <PeteCool> | m0tion: I wouldn't do that from my couch |
| 23:27 | <m0tion> | ok, because I've been doing some work with the DVD::RIP source code and was wondering if i was just spinning my wheels |
| 23:27 | <Chutt> | only way i'd accept such a module was if it did absolutely no reencoding, just a straight copy |
| 23:27 | <m0tion> | what, kept the MP2? |
| 23:28 | <Chutt> | dvds are low enough quality already |
| 23:28 | <Chutt> | don't need to degrade them further |
| 23:28 | <m0tion> | oh, videophile huh? =) |
| 23:28 | <m0tion> | well, i suppose that could always be included as an option |
| 23:28 | <Chutt> | no |
| 23:29 | <foom> | does anyone know if the wintv IR receiver works with any ol' remote or only the supplied one? |
| 23:29 | <Chutt> | foom, it'll work with anything that speaks the rc-5 protocol, iirc |
| 23:29 | <Chutt> | which is a very small number of remotes |
| 23:29 | <foom> | ok, I guess I'll be building my own from lirc.org site then. :) |
| 23:31 | <m0tion> | foom: I built my own from those instructions, it worked, but was kinda flakey (i think I was using the wrong reciever unit), anyway, ended up ordering one from that nice german site they link to |
| 23:31 | <m0tion> | was almost $20 shipped, it it works perfectly |
| 23:31 | <foom> | do you know what receiver chip they use? |
| 23:32 | <m0tion> | i don't remember, they do have really good instructions for building it though |
| 23:32 | <m0tion> | i was just trying to find parts locally so my options were sorta limited =) |
| 23:32 | <foom> | lirc has a scary long list of IR receiver possibilities |
| 23:32 | <m0tion> | i used the radio shack one |
| 23:32 | <foom> | well I won't use that one then. :) |
| 23:33 | <m0tion> | yea, i dunno, it did work, it was just sort of on and off |
| 23:33 | <m0tion> | it got a lot of outside noise it seemed like |
| 23:35 | <foom> | I'm surprised noone is selling mythtv boxes |
| 23:37 | <m0tion> | me too |
| 23:37 | <m0tion> | chutt, why haven't you jumped on this cash cow? =) |
| 23:37 | <Chutt> | because it'd be pretty silly of me |
| 23:38 | <Chutt> | i'd have to sell a ton to make it worth my time |
| 23:38 | <bigguy> | 1) you would need a commercial tv listing service |
| 23:38 | <m0tion> | true |
| 23:38 | <foom> | no...not if you're just selling a prebuilt "mythbox" |
| 23:38 | <bigguy> | 2) it's not really worth it for what it costs for parts |
| 23:38 | <nyquiljer> | imagine providing support for people who mess it all up |
| 23:38 | <foom> | you're selling the hardware that works, a setup linux distribution with myth installed |
| 23:38 | <m0tion> | 2) i don't know of a tv tuner card that can tune over 125 channels |
| 23:38 | <m0tion> | that sucks |
| 23:39 | <Chutt> | no tv tuner can tune over 125 channels |
| 23:39 | <foom> | there are only 125 channels.. |
| 23:39 | <m0tion> | well, i'm missing something then =) |
| 23:39 | <Chutt> | unless you're talking about the overcompressed crap that is digital cable |
| 23:39 | <m0tion> | i suppose i am =) |
| 23:40 | <foom> | digital cable (at least in the US) pretty much has no standard afaik |
| 23:40 | <m0tion> | anyone seen this new Fusion HDTV tuner cards? |
| 23:40 | <foom> | so, you have to use the *really crappy* set-top boxes they give you |
| 23:41 | <Chutt> | until there's working linux drivers, i really don't care about any hdtv cards |
| 23:41 | <foom> | i stopped subscribing to digital cable about 2 months after I first got it because I couldn't stand to use the cable box ever |
| 23:41 | <m0tion> | Chutt: i'll have to agree with you there |
| 23:41 | <Chutt> | can't wait until those are more popular |
| 23:41 | <Chutt> | since you need shittons of cpu power just to decode in software |
| 23:42 | <m0tion> | this card is software decoding =) |
| 23:42 | <Chutt> | exactly. |
| 23:42 | <m0tion> | i guess it's just an ATSC tuner |
| 23:42 | <m0tion> | or whatever |
| 23:43 | <m0tion> | so chutt, you say any dvd back-up program that compresses the movies will not be included with mythtv? |
| 23:43 | <moegreen> | foom: there are a few digital cable boxes that are great, but it hardly makes up for the large number of boxes that complete suck (GI DCT2000 comes to mind as one that sucks really bad) |
| 23:43 | <Chutt> | m0tion, yup |
| 23:43 | <m0tion> | ok, i'll keep that in mind |
| 23:43 | <Chutt> | if it does exact copies, then sure |
| 23:43 | <Chutt> | anything more, nope |
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| 23:44 | <Chutt> | there's other tools better suited for the job |
| 23:44 | <m0tion> | moegreen: if digital cable isn't the answer to over 125 channels, what is exactly? |
| 23:44 | <foom> | digital cable is the answer |
| 23:44 | <m0tion> | Chutt: other than DVD::RIP |
| 23:44 | <m0tion> | ? |
| 23:44 | <foom> | but not the way it's implemented right now |
| 23:44 | <m0tion> | and i suppose once a standard is settled on it's no problem to build a digital cable tuner? or are the channels encrypted somehow? |
| 23:45 | <foom> | they are encrypted |
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| 23:45 | <Chutt> | m0tion, i don't really want to deal with stuff like scheduling free cpu time, etc |
| 23:45 | <m0tion> | excellent |
| 23:45 | <m0tion> | Chutt: ahh, just make it a nice process =) |
| 23:45 | <foom> | that wouldn't be a problem either if they used a smart-card you could stick in a card slot on your digital TV tuner |
| 23:45 | <Chutt> | see, that doesn't really work |
| 23:45 | <m0tion> | oh, why not? |
| 23:46 | <Chutt> | because :p |
| 23:46 | <m0tion> | haha, because why? =) |
| 23:46 | <m0tion> | it wouldn't ever get anything done if you were watching TV? |
| 23:46 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 23:46 | <Chutt> | or recording |
| 23:47 | <Chutt> | and, i really don't want to interrupt recordings |
| 23:47 | <m0tion> | hmm, ahh, well, i can't argue there |
| 23:47 | <Chutt> | anyway |
| 23:47 | <m0tion> | oh, well, then it wouldn't be worth having in the first place |
| 23:47 | <foom> | if you had too slow a CPU it wouldn't..if you had a fast CPU it could. |
| 23:47 | <Chutt> | something for bitexact dvd backups would be nice |
| 23:47 | <m0tion> | i suppose, but at ~6gig a pop, thats a hefty price to pay |
| 23:47 | <foom> | can't you just use dd for that? |
| 23:48 | <Chutt> | not really |
| 23:48 | <Chutt> | less than a buck a gig, depending on where you shop |
| 23:48 | <m0tion> | true |
| 23:48 | <foom> | I know on OSX you can just use disk copy to image the DVD and the DVD player will play it back |
| 23:48 | <m0tion> | i suppose every day diskspace becomes less of a limiting factor |
| 23:49 | <Chutt> | i'm planning on eventually just storing all my cds as flac files, for example |
| 23:49 | <Chutt> | lossy compression sucks :p |
| 23:49 | <m0tion> | yah, i had that idea recently too |
| 23:50 | <Chutt> | lossy compression on top of lossy compression sucks a whole lot more |
| 23:50 | <m0tion> | FLAC is approx 3:1 ? |
| 23:50 | <Chutt> | more like 2:1 on average |
| 23:50 | <foom> | disk space is still a premium on portable/small devices. :) |
| 23:50 | <m0tion> | well, still not too bad |
| 23:50 | <Chutt> | foom, 40 gig portables soon |
| 23:50 | <m0tion> | foom: i don't see a reason to run mythtv on those =) |
| 23:50 | <Chutt> | larger soon after that |
| 23:51 | <Chutt> | and if it's portable, and your music is in a lossless format, it's easy to encode it quickly to something just for the device |
| 23:51 | <foom> | yeah |
| 23:52 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 23:52 | <foom> | i'll probably want to rerip everything in another year or two..it'd be much easier if i didn't have to copy it all from CD again |
| 23:52 | <Chutt> | some guy just wrote me about rewriting parts of mythtv in lisp |
| 23:52 | <foom> | well, C does suck. :) |
| 23:54 | <foom> | I hate writing code in non-garbage-collected languages too..but rewriting in lisp seems a little drastic at this point in the game |
| 23:54 | <foom> | he could probably write his own mythfrontend in lisp if he wanted. ;) |
| 23:55 | <m0tion> | hahhaha |
| 23:57 | <inman> | i'm already storing all my music in flac |
| 23:57 | <bigguy> | me too |
| 23:57 | <bigguy> | FLAC is nice |
| 23:57 | <Chutt> | i don't have the space |
| 23:58 | <m0tion> | Chutt: did you write mythmusic as well? |
| 23:58 | <inman> | space is soooo cheap |
| 23:58 | <Chutt> | i could have the space, i guess |
| 23:58 | <Chutt> | but i'm cheap |
| 23:58 | <inman> | 10k per 1tb of scsi, and less if you roll your own. |
| 23:58 | <Chutt> | m0tion, large bits of it, yes |
| 23:59 | <inman> | it will be nice when the 40gb 1.8" toshiba drives are available |
| 23:59 | <inman> | that 10k figure is raid, of course. ide raid with a scsi controller. |
