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00:03<rcaskey>is 802.11 just out of the question?
00:06<mdz>rcaskey: the packages set the default to /var/lib/mythtv
00:07<mdz>rcaskey: so if you had something else in there, it's either because you had it in a preexisting database or you changed it manually
00:07<rcaskey>mdz: preexisitng I suppose then
00:07<rcaskey>mdz: I need to bump quality down so I can squeeze it across the network
00:08<rcaskey>is there a setting for that?
00:08<rcaskey>I found the one for audio in the frontend
00:08<moegreen>rcaskey: its in setup under recording
00:08<rcaskey>and I set that on the server?
00:08<moegreen>no, the frontend
00:09<rcaskey>ok, good
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00:10<rcaskey>what is the smallest of the codecs?
00:10<moegreen>mpeg4 probably
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00:12<Ndiin>802.11b probably isn't the best choice for streaming a/v content over the network... but thats just my opinion, heh
00:13<moegreen>but I have to agree w/ Ndiin
00:14<rcaskey>Ndiin: yeah, but its what Iv got to work with
00:14<rcaskey>no cable upstairs, moving out in 3 months, yada yada
00:14<Ndiin>then I hope you don't mind a saturated wireless network
00:15<rcaskey>no problem
00:21<rcaskey>do I manually need to switch to live tv or does it know to do that automatically?
00:24<rcaskey>the codec options don't seem to be changing the video i'm receiving at all
00:27<moegreen>it does that automatically ... try changing the bitrate by a lot (1000 lower or so), or the resolution
00:27<rcaskey>im running it at like 500 160x160
00:27<rcaskey>brb, gonna try something
00:28<rcaskey>my roommate might not be telling me the truth about his network consumption
00:28<rcaskey>gonna kill the router ;)
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00:29<rcaskey_>hmm, that didn't seem to help
00:30<rcaskey_>with everything down its keeping up more or less it seems but the audio sounds like the chipmunks
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00:40<rcaskey>I wonder what causes the chipmunk sounds :0
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01:13<foom>now i can't get the damn wintv remote to work. :P
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02:41<Ndiin>btw, line 328 of playbackbox.cpp (mythfrontend).. "delete delitem;".. delitem is only used as a reference to existing objects (such as curitem), and should not be deleted in the destructor. Lovely segfaults result, otherwise =)
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03:58<witten_>when I select "watch tv" in mythfrontend 0.8, the frontend hangs and mythbackend crashes. any ideas? 0.7 worked just dandy
04:01<witten_>nevermind. looks like it was a permission problem
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10:15<Chutt>not just delitem is bad in there =)
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11:03<hfb>If anyone is interested, I recently started a Channel called #epia dedicated to Linux and the EPIA Mini-ITX board.. I recently purchased an M9000.
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11:54<rcaskey>Doesthe fixed ratio playback work yet?
11:54<rcaskey>it doesn't seem to be making a difference and the resampling looks pretty bad when stretched again
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16:32<TheAsp>moegreen: nope, didn't help.
16:33<TheAsp>my theory seems to have been wrong too
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16:56<foom>hrm is something wrong with CVS? i can't cvs checkout mythweather
16:56<foom>it just hangs
16:56<foom>other modules seem to be working tho
16:56<TheAsp>sun spots
16:57<foom>yeah that's probably it. :)
17:00<foom>hrm it started working now. guess the sun moved.
17:06<TheAsp>when did the popup's go in?
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17:12<dcstimm>hey guys, I have dual cpus, and a geforce 3, and bttv 878 hauppagge tv card, do you think my system is beefy enough to handle mythtv?
17:12<dcstimm>and what tv card do you recommend?
17:13<TheAsp>Showing end of recording screen for 24 - The truth about the Cyprus audio tape.
17:13<TheAsp>About to display delete popup for 24 - The truth about the Cyprus audio tape.
17:13<TheAsp>Changing from None to None
17:13<TheAsp>Requesting removal from server of Law & Order - McCoy tries to sidestep a plea bargain.
17:13<TheAsp>Sending delete command forLaw & Order - McCoy tries to sidestep a plea bargain.
17:13<TheAsp>I AM NOT INSANE.
17:14<TheAsp>dcstimm: not one of the new cx* chips
17:14<TheAsp>dcstimm: somethign with a bt878 for now
17:14<dcstimm>so my card is fine?
17:14<TheAsp>you nevermentioned the speed of your cpu's
17:14<Chutt>why don't you try it?
17:15<dcstimm>is there any hardware tv tuners?
17:15<Chutt>go there.
17:15<dcstimm>TheAsp: dual xeons
17:15<TheAsp>dual xeon whats?
17:15<Chutt>'xeon' is a generic term
17:15<dcstimm>2.4ghz with HT
17:15<TheAsp>more then enough
17:16<TheAsp>playback + recording on my 1.1ghz amd takes 50% at most...
17:16<inman>dcstimm: you have a conexant chip or not?
17:16<TheAsp>he has an 878 :)
17:16<dcstimm>does mythtv support the mouse wheel to change channels?
17:16<dcstimm>inman: no, i have a 878
17:17<Chutt>it doesn't use the mouse at all.
17:17<inman>TheAsp: the wintv pvr-[23]50 will probably have production v4l2 support in another couple months.
17:17<dcstimm>ugg. i wish it did
17:17<TheAsp>inman: *nod*
17:17<dcstimm>the mouse wheel makes the best remote
17:17<Chutt>no, it doesn't.
17:17<TheAsp>i thought a remote made the best remote...
17:17<dcstimm>well i use the mouse alot
17:18<dcstimm>and its better than a remote imho
17:18<TheAsp>Chutt: when did this popup stuff go in?
17:18<Chutt>couple weeks ago
17:18<dcstimm>does mythtv support being ran on a monitor and not a tv?
17:18<inman>dcstimm: yes.
17:18<dcstimm>what is ideal?
17:18<Chutt>dcstimm, you're the same dumbass who was in here back in december bitching about the lack of mouse support, aren't you?
17:19<inman>dcstimm: check and RTFM.
17:19<Chutt>then went on to rant about it on /.
17:19<Chutt>yes, i remember you
17:19<thor>... uh oh ... (ducking)
17:19<Chutt>you were all pissed off that it wouldn't run on your p3-700
17:19<dcstimm>p3 700?
17:19<Chutt>or something like that
17:19<dcstimm>i run macs buddy
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17:20<dcstimm>my xeon system is my only x86 box
17:20<Chutt>that's some other person that uses 'dcstimm'? :p
17:21<thor>... (now cowering under desk) ...
17:21<dcstimm>dcstimm stands for data analizing robotic youth life form, its very common
17:21<Chutt>i've only ever had one person ask to use the mouse to change channels
17:22<Chutt>how curious that it's the exact same nick
17:22<dcstimm>two it seems
17:22<Paks>Is there a tool to convert from nuv to mpeg?
17:23<TheAsp>Paks: mdz wrote a patch for mencoder
17:23<Chutt>paks, there's a patch for mplayer (and mencoder) linked to in the docs
17:23<Paks>I will take a look at that
17:23<dcstimm>so Chutt why cant you add mouse support?
17:23<TheAsp>When does moegreen usually show up?
17:24<Chutt>theasp, it varies
17:24<Paks>version 0.8 rulez, more stable than .7
17:24<inman>dcstimm: Chutt only writes software for hardware he owns. :-P
17:24<dcstimm>inman: he doesnt own a scroll mouse?
17:24<inman>dcstimm: can you prove he does?
17:24<TheAsp>he probably doesn't even own a mouse ;)
17:24<dcstimm>ill buy him one
17:24* inmanis ant-mouse.
17:24* inmanis anti-mouse.
17:25<Chutt>the ui's not designed to be used with a mouse
17:25<dcstimm>thats okay, i was just wondering if i could change channels with it
17:26<inman>dcstimm: you could rebind it to the same keys that change channels.
17:26<dcstimm>sounds good
17:26<Chutt>very easily
17:26<dcstimm>iv never tried mythtv
17:26<TheAsp>yes you did, and you said it was slow
17:27<dcstimm>and just so used to xawtv
17:27<dcstimm>TheAsp: ?
17:27<TheAsp>now go find a new nick and hostname and come back :)
17:28<dcstimm>this is the only thing i am famous for
17:29<Paks>hehehe, that is mi backgound here at work
17:29<inman>is it a scrolling mouse?
17:29<Paks>thanks dcstimm
17:29<dcstimm>no prob
17:30<dcstimm>but that lizard died today...
17:31<foom>speaking of remotes for some reason i can't get my wintv remote to do anything..oh well, i was gonna build my own serial-port receiver anyhow
17:31<dcstimm>what distro is the best for mythtv?
17:31<foom>whichever you're used to using
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17:38<witten>does scheduled recording work if the backend is running but the frontend isn't?
17:38<choenig>witten: yepp
17:39<witten>I've noticed that encoding/decoding at a rate my cpu can handle works a lot better on channels with little static
17:39<witten>which makes sense, I guess
17:42<Chutt>less work for it to do with a cleaner picture
17:46<vektor> less high frequency noise, that is, but it depends on the type of noise as well
17:46<witten>does anyone have success with mythtv and any particular satellite services?
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17:58<moegreen>witten: it will work with any service
17:59<witten>moegreen: I know, but I'm interested in hearing about external channel changing solutions
17:59* TheAspcattle prods moegreen
17:59<witten>so mythtv can, for example, change the channel on the satellite box
17:59<moegreen>witten: either an IR blaster or some receivers have a low speed port that reacts to commands (change channel power off)
17:59<moegreen>via serial
17:59<Ndiin>Chutt: I see you got my late-night notice about the bad delitem line.. and curitem, as well, I guess ;)
18:00<TheAsp>Ndiin: oh, do share :)
18:00<moegreen>Ndiin/Chutt: my bad - I suffered from mild retardation last evening
18:00<moegreen>TheAsp: I was deleting a pointer that didn't need to be
18:00<TheAsp>is that my problem or another problem?
18:01<moegreen>TheAsp: different
18:01<Ndiin>object deletion, not recording deletion
18:01<dcstimm>how much harddrive does myth tv use when recording? on average?
18:01<TheAsp>dcstimm: depends on your settings
18:01<dcstimm>best settings..
18:02<TheAsp>depends on what you consider "best" :)
18:02<moegreen>TheAsp: ok ... so it looks like you've hit the end of a show, it displays the popup for you to confirm, you do - then it is attempting to delete something else.
18:02<moegreen>TheAsp: Is this will the code in current cvs?
18:02<TheAsp>2 hours old
18:03<witten>has anyone had much success with the new commercial skipping code?
18:03<moegreen>witten: yes, it works great
18:04<witten>moegreen: how does it work, from an end-user perspective?
18:04<TheAsp>dcstimm: rtjpeg looks great but uses alot of space, mpeg4 looks good, and uses the amount of space you set it to
18:04<Ndiin>witten: Works well for the most part, theres a few times where I've seen it "cut" non-commercial segments, though
18:04<witten>Ndiin: hmm ok
18:04<TheAsp>dcstimm: i set mine to 2350 k/s, which is about 1gb/hr
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18:05<TheAsp>but i'm recording at 375x480
18:05<dcstimm>TheAsp: wow, thats quite a bit:)
18:05<Ndiin>Movie the other day had two ~120sec segments cut out after the end of a commercial before it was flagged as "real material"
18:05<Ndiin>two separate commercial ends, that is
18:05<TheAsp>I think some shows are fighting back against comercial detection
18:05<TheAsp>atleast thats what one of the first guys who hacked a tivo said
18:06<TheAsp>he mentioned that enterprise was doing it for some episodes
18:07<moegreen>TheAsp: are your cout debug statements in the playbackbox? (i assume)
18:08<Ndiin>use gdb and do some debugging on it theasp
18:08<Ndiin>step through once you get there
18:09<TheAsp>Ndiin: it's not easily reproducable
18:09<Ndiin>Doesn't always happen?
18:09<TheAsp>"Requesting . . ." is in doRemove() and "About to" is in showDeletePopup
18:09<TheAsp>Ndiin: aparently not
18:09<TheAsp>i mean i could . . .
18:10<TheAsp>but i'm out of shows to delete :)
18:10<Ndiin>TheAsp: record random crap ;)
18:11<dcstimm>So is there any hardware tv tuners that work with mythtv?
18:11<Ndiin>Is the delete dialog you're using prompted from PlaybackBox::promptEndOfRecording?
18:11<TheAsp>dcstimm: yes. is your card just a capture card?
18:11<TheAsp>Ndiin: yeah
18:11<TheAsp>Ndiin: but i think it's happening when you press d from the list too, but haven't tried
18:12<dcstimm>yeah i just have a 878
18:12<Ndiin>TheAsp: I havent had any problems with 'd' yet
18:12<TheAsp>dcstimm: if the card works with v4l it works with myth (more or less)
18:12<TheAsp>Ndiin: thats good to hear
18:12<dcstimm>TheAsp: so any good hardware tv tuners?
18:12<TheAsp>dcstimm: something with a bt878 on it
18:13<dcstimm>thats a software tuner...
18:13<TheAsp>no thats a capture chipset
18:13<TheAsp>dcstimm: find a card with a big silver block on it.
18:13<TheAsp>and a bt878
18:14<dcstimm>silver block?
18:14<Ndiin>TheAsp: I'm thinking you should add a bunch of couts to play(), one or two to promptEndOfRecording, etc
18:14<TheAsp>Ndiin: been there, done that, now discussing it with moegreen
18:14<dcstimm> Bus 0, device 13, function 0:
18:14<dcstimm> Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 (rev 17).
18:14<dcstimm> IRQ 12.
18:15<TheAsp>dcstimm: the tuner sends a signal to the capture chip, the chip does is magic on it
18:15<dcstimm>TheAsp: then why does one need a fast cpu?
18:15<TheAsp>dcstimm: to encode the video
18:15<TheAsp>did you ever do tech support?
18:16<TheAsp>then you are the person who posted on slashdot
18:16<dcstimm>i build computers
18:16<dcstimm>i help people all the time
18:17<TheAsp>and i've read like 10 of your posts so far
18:18<Ndiin>moegreen: it might be wise to set delitem = NULL in noDelete and doDelete as well..
18:19<witten>anyone know of satellite providers that have local-channels-only plans?
18:22<TheAsp>can't use gdb to test this... when the popup pops up you can't do anything with any other window
18:22<TheAsp>maybe if i start it from the console
18:22<Ndiin>TheAsp: Use the mouse to focus..
18:23<Ndiin>the popup however, is not registered as a window
18:23<Ndiin>so alt tabbing will likely hide it for good
18:23<dcstimm>TheAsp: what posts?
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18:24<TheAsp>can't alt tab
18:25<Ndiin>TheAsp: yeah, 1) reduce the mythtv window size to less than fullscreen, 2) have a term window in an area thats not fully underneath mythtv
18:25<Ndiin>TheAsp: start myth in that term, bring up the dialog, click the mouse on the term, and there you go...
18:25<TheAsp>started it on console
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18:38<TheAsp>how do you format a pointer for printing?
18:39<TheAsp>without doing a printf :)
18:39<witten>do an sprintf()
18:39<TheAsp>that is soooo cheating though :)
18:39<witten>is this for a homework assignment?
18:40<witten>then what's the problem with using sprintf()?
18:40<TheAsp>just want to know the proper way
18:40<foom>that is
18:40<TheAsp>if there is one
18:40<foom>if you think that's hard, how do you format a float without using sprintf()
18:40<TheAsp>there are methods for that
18:40<foom>not useful ones
18:40<TheAsp>i agree, the whole cout stuff is crap
18:41<foom>oh i was talking about C. ;)
18:41<TheAsp>hehe :)
18:41<vektor>use sprintf, that's what it's for
18:41<vektor>it's not cheating at all.
18:42<foom>no, it sucks, but it's not cheating
18:42<foom>C is a mess but what can you do
18:42<vektor>it doesn't suck at all.
18:42<vektor>how does it suck?
18:43<foom>it does, you shouldn't have to use a string argument to specify how to convert a number to a hex string. for every printf format string there should be an underlying function call that DOESN'T use a string that does the same thing
18:44<TheAsp>parsing the string takes work
18:45<foom>to seperate the format string parser from the work it does
18:45<witten>yeah, so does calling a function
18:45<foom>not worth discussing
18:46<inman>i agree with you foom. :-)
18:46<witten>I think the modularity argument carries more water than the efficiency one
18:46* wittenmixes metaphors
18:47<TheAsp>3000 cerr's later . . .
18:47* TheAspmakes
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18:58<Chutt>moegreen, you see what i changed in playbackbox?
18:58<moegreen>Chutt: you mean from last night?
18:58<Chutt>well, this morning
18:59<moegreen>i did a diff but didn't look into it really hard
18:59<Chutt>changing the maps to store ProgramItem instead of ProgramItem*
18:59<Chutt>basically, you were leaking stuff =)
18:59<moegreen>yeah ... heh, better keep and eye out!
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19:00<Chutt>theasp, if you can't alt-tab to the gdb window, try running it (gdb mythfrontend) from a console outside of X, with the DISPLAY set properly
19:00* TheAspis about to leak all over gcc
19:00<TheAsp>Chutt: yeah, my wm freaked out when i did that
19:01<TheAsp>but i think if i have a window on the desktop it's on then i can click on it and get back to normal
19:02<TheAsp>end of showDeletePopup 24 - The truth about the Cyprus audio tape.
19:02<TheAsp>Changing from None to None
19:02<TheAsp>Segmentation fault
19:03<inman>what is the current top-choice freely-available GC for C++?
19:03<inman>still the boehm gc?
19:04* inmans's the fw
19:05<TheAsp>looks like i have to rebuild it all now
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19:07<inman>anyone used boehm under c++? i've only used it with c...
19:08<Chutt>i've always figured it's easier to just be careful
19:10<inman>i've never used it on projects i started from scratch, but i've found it invaluable on larger projects that i've taken over.
19:11<Chutt>moegreen, i don't think what you just committed will work :p
19:11<Chutt>there wasn't anything wrong with having things be references to the list
19:11<Chutt>so replacing em with new objects won't fix things, i don't think
19:11<moegreen>Chutt: I though delitem might have been getting set by reference (since it was a chain of references)
19:12<Chutt>and now you're leaking curitem =)
19:12<TheAsp>the worst part is that if this works it may just be a fluke
19:13* inmanthinks twice about a `cvs update`.
19:13<foom>boehm works with C++ afaik
19:13<TheAsp>libmyth compiled...
19:13<foom>i've only used it with C and ObjC though
19:13<inman>it does, foom.
19:13<inman>one thing i like about gc is that it can make code alot simpler.
19:13<foom>i hate writing non-GC code
19:14<Chutt>lazy :p
19:14<inman>of course. :-)
19:14<TheAsp>i like gc's too :)
19:14<moegreen>Chutt: i've got fixes for that, but no need to commit them until TheAsp can determine if it actually worked :0
19:15<foom>especially in C++ because it has all this automatic stuff, they shoulda at *least* used refcounting like nextstep/openstep/Cocoa's foundation library
19:15<Chutt>i doubt it'll fix it
19:15<TheAsp>~20 mins till this build is done
19:15<PeteCool>How would I change a channel's display nickname? In mythconverg:channels ? In xmltv?
19:15<Chutt>delitem's getting changed somewhere
19:15<TheAsp>it's only changed in 1 spot though
19:16<Chutt>it's changed in a couple
19:16<TheAsp>is it?
19:16<TheAsp>well, now....
19:16<Chutt>well, more than a couple now
19:16<Chutt>it's set in remove() and promoptEndOfRecording()
19:16<inman>PeteCool: in channels
19:17<TheAsp>ok, 2 spots, but they should't happen together...
19:18<TheAsp>whats wrong with this: cvs annotate -D 2002-04-02 playbackbox.cpp
19:18<TheAsp>wrong year
19:19<foom>it wants you to use emacs and type control-x v g instead. ;)
19:19<TheAsp>heh, good idea since i have xemacs open :)
19:20<foom>hrm myth doesn't seem to use the fancy optimization options for libavcodec
19:20<foom>is that on purpose or is it a makefile bug?
19:20<foom>it just does -O3
19:20<Chutt>oh, it doesn't really matter
19:20<TheAsp>foom: optimizations are for wimps.
19:21<Chutt>most of the expensive stuff in libavcodec is in mmx already
19:21<foom>not -O6 -fomit-frame-pointer -funroll-loops -fexpensive-optimizations
19:21<foom>ah ok
19:21<Chutt>marginal improvements at best, really
19:21<Chutt>theasp, which screen is this from, the delete recordings or the playback mode?
19:21<TheAsp>which? my problems? end of playback
19:22<Chutt>which mode is it happening from?
19:22<Chutt>like, the delete screen with the disk space under it, or the playback?
19:23<TheAsp>oh, i see what you mean now
19:23<TheAsp>yeah, playback
19:23<Chutt>moegreen, i was thinking that maybe the popup window was passing events along? (ie, the spacebar)
19:23<Chutt>to the main stuff
19:23<TheAsp>so was i...
19:24<moegreen>Chutt: I do disable the qaccel
19:24<TheAsp>sometimes im on a different desktop when it happens though
19:24<TheAsp>not sure how it would have got focus
19:24<Chutt>moegreen, actually that might fix it
19:25<Chutt>the new delitem objects
19:25<TheAsp>yeah, it would atleast narrow it down if it doesn't
19:25<Chutt>i bet it's the FillList() call after the promptEndOfRecording() that's getting it
19:25<Chutt>ie, the list that it's referring to is gone
19:25<Chutt>but that should've just segfaulted, not deleted the wrong thing..
19:25<moegreen>you mean the one in play()
19:26<TheAsp>it always seems to delete the first one...
19:26<TheAsp>which is why i thought it was deleting inprogress recordings
19:26<foom>hrm all the text in the icons on the menus are images right?
19:26<Chutt>foom, nope
19:26<Chutt>that's all rendered
19:26<foom>hm, ok how do i make it bigger then?
19:27<foom>i can't read very well on the TV screen
19:27<Chutt>you go in and edit the theme file
19:27<foom>not the most elegant but it works. :)
19:27<TheAsp>which menu's foom?
19:27<foom>the main ones
19:27<Chutt>it's up to the theme designer to decide how big text should be
19:27<TheAsp>can't you change that from the font size selectors?
19:27<Chutt>that's how it should be.
19:27<Chutt>theasp, of course not
19:28<TheAsp>uh, what do they control then?
19:28<Chutt>the font sizes in the qt dialogs
19:28<TheAsp>oh, gotcha
19:28<TheAsp>make[2]: Entering directory `/home/asp/projects/myth/mythtv/programs/mythfrontend'
19:29* TheAsptaps....
19:29<moegreen>TheAsp: did you recompile all of myth?
19:29<TheAsp>yeah, was getting segfaults
19:29<TheAsp>after adding a bunch of cerr's
19:30<TheAsp>plus it's recording...
19:32<foom>ah, 18pt non-italic, much better. :)
19:32<TheAsp>those fonts
19:34<Chutt>moegreen, i think your checkin should fix things
19:34<Chutt>i'm pretty sure it's that fillList() call that's causing the problems
19:35<TheAsp>end of showDeletePopup 24 - The truth about the Cyprus audio tape.
19:35<TheAsp>Changing from None to None
19:35<TheAsp>doDelete() 24 - The truth about the Cyprus audio tape.
19:35<TheAsp>Requesting removal from server of 24 - The truth about the Cyprus audio tape.
19:35<TheAsp>fluke? who knows
19:35<moegreen>TheAsp: is that indicative of a working delete?
19:35<TheAsp>moegreen: yeah, but like i said, it works sometimes :)
19:35<TheAsp>and i've had a recording start since i could reproduce it regulary
19:36<moegreen>Chutt: I'll check in this curitem cleanup code then
19:36<Chutt>theasp, it's not that difficult to remove the stuff in the backend that actually does the delete =)
19:36<Chutt>so you can do mass amounts of deleting without affecting things
19:36<TheAsp>Chutt: i put a return in doRemove() :)
19:36<Chutt>ah, ok
19:37<foom>maybe there should be a way in the theme file to specify "user's small/med/large font"
19:37<TheAsp>yeah, that would be a good idea for large/small res's
19:38<TheAsp>it drives me up the wall when people set font sizes explicitly in web pages
19:42<TheAsp>moegreen: that in?
19:43<moegreen>i just committed the cleanup code
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20:31<TheAsp>Whats the logic behind having the program lists sorted in reverse?
20:31<moegreen>TheAsp: For the delete, it puts the oldest shows first
20:32<TheAsp>for view...
20:32<TheAsp>i havent used the delete screen in months :)
20:32<moegreen>The view shouldn't be in reverse, the newest show should be first
20:32<TheAsp>i always watch the news in the wrong order
20:33<TheAsp>moegreen: why "should"? :)
20:33<moegreen>the way you questioned it seemed to suggest another bug :)
20:33<TheAsp>oh, no :P
20:34<TheAsp>just used to the newest stuff going at the end... :)
20:35<TheAsp>If I made a patch to make the sort order selectable, would it get accepted? :)
20:36<moegreen>I guess so, I'm still not sure why you would want the oldest show first (unless you never have more than a few shows)
20:37<moegreen>it would be a two line patch, int cnt = 0; and cnt++; instead of int cnt = 999; and cnt--;
20:38<TheAsp>well if you want to watch your shows in order and not think about it :)
20:38<moegreen>actually, I think it is sorted differently from this function: RemoteGetRecordedList(
20:41<PeteCool>moegreen: I also watch the oldest shows first
20:41<PeteCool>moegreen: unless the shows can be watched at random without problems (Simpsons)
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20:42<moegreen>I guess I just keep stuff around longer, so it would take longer to get to the newest show
20:42* TheAsphands moegreen an end key
20:43<moegreen>thanks for the key, but how many more do I need to map to my remote?
20:44<TheAsp>hehe :)
20:44<TheAsp>well if it's user selectable you dont have to worr about it
20:45<TheAsp>can you hand me a y?
20:46<moegreen>i can put it in there for you
20:46<TheAsp>the y? :)
20:47<PeteCool>I think starting in the middle of the list would be an acceptable compromise
20:47<moegreen>PeteCool: yeah ... I agree
20:48<TheAsp>2nd successful delete
20:51<inman>PeteCool: nah. the point is to not have to scroll to reach the end you want to start at.
20:51<inman>PeteCool: starting from the middle will offed both camps.
20:52<PeteCool>alright then, one more setting...
20:52<TheAsp>it's not the starting spot that bugs me its the order
20:52<PeteCool>we're getting in the open source "feature-itis"... it's not that I don't like that, though
20:52<moegreen>the question becomes where to put said setting, General, Playback ...
20:52<TheAsp>yeah, i was thinking about that
20:53<inman>featureitis could be better combatted by not having to have every tweak in the gui.
20:53<PeteCool>or have a setup "advanced mode" (like it is now) and a simple mode
20:53<TheAsp>maybe a seperate . . .
20:53<PeteCool>where only things you really need changed are
20:54<PeteCool>more coding there though
20:54<TheAsp>I was thinking a seperate app
20:54<moegreen>I believe the idea of that 'advanced mode' is coming (at least for MPEG4 quality settings)
20:55<TheAsp>high quality mode works good for me
20:55<TheAsp>for mpeg4 recording
20:55<PeteCool>one switch in general... add one-two pages of settings (plus some where they really need to be - eg mpeg4)
20:55<TheAsp>i dont like wm4 or whatever it
20:55<TheAsp>mostly because it eats all my cpu :)
20:55<PeteCool>what does it do to make you not like it?
20:56<PeteCool>and what cpu are you using?
20:56<TheAsp>1.1gHz AMD
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21:07<moegreen>TheAsp/PeteCool: Do you still want the oldest show first in the Delete screen?
21:08<PeteCool>moegreen: I don't go there very often...
21:08<PeteCool>moegreen: when I go, I'm short on disk space, I just go to All Recordings and watch the biggest one I find
21:09<PeteCool>moegreen: so it doesn't really matter to me that much
21:09<PeteCool>how does a Tivo/ReplayTV list them?
21:09<moegreen>? I've never used either
21:09<PeteCool>somebody here must know
21:10<moegreen>I'll just set it to put the oldest first - most likely that is what people will want to delete first
21:11<PeteCool>Isn't it what it's doing now?
21:12<moegreen>PeteCool: Yeah, but changing the order of the Watch Recordings changed that a bit, but it's back
21:12<moegreen>in cvs
21:13<PeteCool>do I need to distclean?
21:14<PeteCool>ah, whatever, I have 12 hours before the next recording
21:14<moegreen>PeteCool: no
21:21<TheAsp>moegreen: hmm?
21:24<TheAsp>directv does oldest first
21:25<moegreen>for deleting?
21:25<TheAsp>oh wait, thats the channel guide i think
21:25* TheAspdumb
21:26<TheAsp>i'd think i'd want to delete the oldest show
21:26<TheAsp>but if im keeping something around i dont want it to be first
21:26<moegreen>well, that's why there is the down arrow key to skip that recording ;)
21:27<TheAsp>i was thinking it happening by accident
21:27<TheAsp>though a keep tag on the recording would fix that
21:27<TheAsp>possibly a deletion priority field for autodeletion
21:28<TheAsp>is anyone working on autodeletion?
21:28<moegreen>TheAsp: Well ... it does ask in the popup box which is now defaulting to not deleted unless you specifically pick to
21:28<Chutt>theasp, not to my knowledge
21:29<TheAsp>any thoughts on that?
21:29<TheAsp>i dont think it would be too complicated
21:29<Chutt>should be pretty straightforward
21:29<Chutt>i just haven't ever gotten around to it, and no-one else has done it
21:30<TheAsp>would you want a priority field or just a bool?
21:30<TheAsp>well, i spose a checkbox and a spinner would take up just as much room...
21:31<TheAsp>could i throw a spinner in the program info dialog? (and use some of my stuff from my last patch along that area?)
21:31<Chutt>well, i'm assuming that the don't delete lock stuff can go into a popup box
21:31<TheAsp>well, i was thinking you could set a priority on your schedules
21:31<TheAsp>and each recording would get that priority, then you could edit it later
21:32<TheAsp>then just delete oldest of each priority group as needed
21:32<TheAsp>like when the disk space hits 100mb or so
21:32<TheAsp>selectable of course
21:32<TheAsp>(disk free space)
21:34<TheAsp>or maybe have some sorta genetic alogrithm that tells you what it thinks you should get rid of soon until it's trained on each program you recorded...
21:34<TheAsp>now wouldnt that be a trip
21:36<TheAsp>im gonna see what i can do about the first one :)
21:37<Chutt>people that write if statements like if (<constant> == <expression>) are funny
21:37<TheAsp>that caught my eye too :)
21:37<Chutt>that's never made any sense to me
21:38<TheAsp>math people probably
21:39<TheAsp>so is this cvs.sql the same as last week but just rearranged?
21:39<Chutt>cvs.sql should be empty
21:40<TheAsp>its all 1 big conflict... didnt look it over
21:41<Chutt>i need to bump the library name
21:41<TheAsp>what tables are still used for schedules?
21:41<vektor>Chutt: you put the constants after the expression ?
21:42<TheAsp>thats much less compilcated
21:42<Chutt>you're testing to see if x is equal to y, so having x be a constant number doesn't make sense
21:42<vektor>Chutt: ok i do to, and it sometimes freaks me out when people do it the other way. i think some say it's 'better optimized' but it just doesn't 'read properly' in my head.
21:42<vektor>yeah exactly, if you say it, you'd sound funny
21:43<vektor>"if y is equal to 5" not "if 5 is equal to y"
21:43<TheAsp>if you say most code you sound funny...
21:43<vektor>TheAsp: dunno, i consider it kinda like creative writing :)
21:43<vektor>i mean, someone else is going to likely read it, and so you don't want to introduce stuff to early, nor do you want to be too wordy, etc :)
21:44<vektor>like i could happily code with strunk & white in one hand, k & r in the other :)
21:45<Chutt>i wonder whatever happened to that guy who was going to modularize the epg code
21:45<Chutt>he's two weeks overdue on his promised 'i'll have code' date
21:45<Chutt>not that i was expecting anything, but =)
21:45<vektor>Chutt: ah, s & w tells us why not to put constants first
21:46<moegreen>Chutt: I was thinking that might be another good place to have an xml type config
21:46<vektor>"use the active voice" :)
21:46<Chutt>moegreen, potentially, yeah
21:46<Chutt>allow for more active placement of stuff
21:47<Chutt>and it's already sizing stuff to the display rectangles, etc, so it might not be all that hard
21:47<Chutt>heh, is that the latest playback box mockup? =)
21:47<TheAsp>Where would the autodeletion settings fall under?
21:47<vektor>Chutt: how come you get all these people designing cool graphics for you, and i get nothin
21:48<Chutt>vektor, i'm just l33ter than you
21:48<Chutt>vektor, i've got almost 800 people on my main list now, it's insane
21:48<vektor>damn, thaz iz l33t
21:48<vektor>i have like 40 :)
21:48<Chutt>there's like 200 on my *commits* list
21:48<Chutt>which is even crazier
21:48<vektor>that is!
21:49<PeteCool>Chutt: I do watch it over the web
21:49<moegreen>Chutt: heh, haven't seen that playback mockup yet - although I did tell him that selection bar will be possible so...
21:49<PeteCool>Chutt: I already have enough messages getting through my mail server
21:49<TheAsp>Anyone know the emacs settings to match the code?
21:49<vektor>Chutt: so, how would you feel if i did a mythtv file reader thing for tvtime
21:49<TheAsp>(for myth)
21:50<Chutt>vektor, go for it
21:50<vektor>Chutt: so that way i could use it as the display part
21:50<Chutt>yeah, i'd encourage that =)
21:50<vektor>i'm thinking that might be a worthwhile thing to do
21:51<Chutt>might be semi difficult, of course
21:51<Chutt>you'd have to worry about a/v sync for one =)
21:51<vektor>bah, i've done that sort of thing before
21:51<vektor>i have a nice audiobuffer layer for movietime
21:52<vektor>there are debs now, yeah, for mythtv?
21:52<Chutt>links on the website
21:53<Chutt>in the web links section
21:53<PeteCool>g++ -c -pipe -Wall -W -O3 -march=pentium2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fexpensive-optimizations -finline-functions -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -D_REENTRANT -D_GNU_SOURCE -DPREFIX=\"/usr\" -DQT_NO_DEBUG -DQT_THREAD_SUPPORT -I/usr/include -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/qt/3/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/qt/3/mkspecs/linux-g++ -o main.o main.cpp
21:53<PeteCool>main.cpp: In function `int main(int, char**)':
21:53<PeteCool>main.cpp:387: no matching function for call to `MythContext::LCDdestroy()'
21:53<PeteCool>make[1]: *** [main.o] Error 1
21:53<PeteCool>make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/mythtv-src/mythmusic/mythmusic'
21:53<PeteCool>make: *** [sub-mythmusic] Error 2
21:53<PeteCool>In latest mythmusic CVS
21:54<Chutt>yeah, thor probably hasn't added the function to mythtv yet
21:54<TheAsp>how is tostringlist used?
21:55<Chutt>what is it used for, or how?
21:56<mdz>vektor: there have been debs since 0.7
21:56<Ndiin>PeteCool: heh, yep.. only place in the entire tree that's called.
21:56<Ndiin>or used.
21:56<Chutt>mdz, you have it set to highlight the window on 'deb' or something? :p
21:57<TheAsp>Chutt: would throwing an extra thing in there cause anything unexpected to hapepn
21:57<Chutt>theasp, yes
21:57<mdz>Chutt: if I could set that up per-channel, I probably would
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21:57<TheAsp>Chutt: ok, what do i have to fix :)
21:57<Chutt>you'd have to modify both to and from, and the item count in the .h file
21:58<mdz>I can't keep up with all the traffic in this channel
21:58<TheAsp>i ment anything wider then that
21:58<PeteCool>mdz: then #gentoo would kill you... the whole screen scrolls in less than a minute
21:58<PeteCool>mdz: :)
21:59<PeteCool>mdz: here it isn't that bad yet (hopefully)
21:59<mdz>PeteCool: and I bet about 80% of the lines are "woot"
21:59<PeteCool>mdz: not the last time I went there
22:05<PeteCool>the alt-epg+livetv works fine for me now
22:05<vektor>mdz: WELL JEEZ I WAS JUST AKSING
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22:06<vektor>PeteCool: i'm just being an idiot.
22:06<Chutt>valgrind's getting mmx support
22:06<vektor>Chutt: Have you tried 'oprofile'?
22:07<Chutt>and apparently there's options for the nvidia drivers now to turn off mmx/sse stuff
22:07<vektor>What's wrong with MMX?
22:07<Chutt>nothing, just valgrind's vm didn't do it before
22:07<vektor>oprofile apparently is totally awesome (
22:07<vektor>no I meant wrt nvidia.
22:07<vektor>Why would you want to turn off mmx/sse?
22:08<mdz>vektor: OMGLOLROFL
22:08<Chutt>vektor, it made valgrind die
22:08<Chutt>with, say, qt programs, since qt links in opengl
22:08<vektor>Chutt: and that makes chutt sad?
22:08<vektor>ah ok.
22:08<Chutt>yes, it makes chutt sad =)
22:08<mdz>someone needs to hijack the oprofile ITP
22:09<vektor>mdz: _damn_straight_
22:09<mdz>oh, it's still an RFP
22:09<mdz>hah, I filed it
22:10<Chutt>there's new nvidia drivers, btw
22:10<vektor>hey i need to know how to do an rfp kinda, well, actually i'm not entirely sure what i want to do.
22:10<vektor>Chutt: yes i saw, 434x or something
22:10<Chutt>i wonder if the performance problems still exist in them
22:10<vektor>i'd be curious to know if some of my outstanding bugs are fixed
22:10<vektor>like the overscan corruption bug
22:10<nziarek_>chutt: that new mockup is more for me; the old one started to feel too strict (title bar, etc) and I wanted to see if I could come up with some a little more fun and eye candy-ish
22:11<vektor>mdz: if you have a sec, i'd like your opinion on a debian thingy.
22:12<Chutt>nziarek, ah, it's nice lookin still =)
22:12<vektor>mdz: i think i want to request a new package for debian, but i'm not really sure, erm, how to do that :)
22:12<vektor>mdz: since it would be a package for stuff that's like unmaintained or something
22:12<vektor>mdz: anyway, i shouldn't bug you with this, so ignore me and i won't feel hurt :)
22:14<nziarek_>chutt: thanks, i like it. just never sure when i've added "too much" for the function of the program
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22:15<moegreen>nziarek_: you're still within it's abilities w/ the new mockup
22:19<nziarek_>moegreen: great, have lots of ideas for the music module =) (nothing with the tree, Chutt!) =)
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22:23<mdz>vektor: a package for software which is no longer maintained?
22:24<Chutt>heh, there's a TVOverScan function in the new nvidia drivers
22:27<mdz>vektor: re: #186354, I am pretty font-ignorant, but the AFM files _are_ in the teTeX distribution tarball
22:28<vektor>mdz: that's partly why i was surprised they were against my suggestion. The point is that afm files are not included for many of the fonts in tetex-extra, instead that information is in tfm files if anywhere, even though the 'official' source for the fonts distributes afms as well, and freetype needs afm format files for kerning information.
22:28<vektor>Chutt: there is? interesting!
22:29<vektor>mdz: i simply meant that they want me to, i think, request a debian package for the afm files for the fonts they ship in tetex-extra, or, ask tetex to include the afms (which they think will be unlikely to happen)
22:29<mdz>vektor: also note that Hilmar Preusse <> is not a Debian developer as far as I can tell
22:29<TheAsp>i need to buy something so i can hook up my tv
22:29<vektor>mdz: oh
22:29<mdz>vektor: and I cannot say whether he speaks for the teTeX maintainers
22:30<vektor>mdz: well that would be a surprise to me too then, i figured he was the maintainer.
22:30<mdz>vektor: he has never uploaded any tetex packages as far as I know
22:30<vektor>hmm, ok.
22:31<Chutt>i'm kind of curious to see if turning on their renderaccel option helps the speed of mythtv any
22:31<vektor>btw, computer modern looks kinda funky as the osd font in tvtime ;-)
22:31<Chutt>since all the alpha blending is using the render stuff
22:31<Chutt>petecool, thor just updated mythmusic, it'll compile now
22:32<PeteCool>Chutt: heh, I commented the offending line and it worked... I'm not totally programming ignorant =)
22:33<PeteCool>Chutt: yeah, acceled alpha would be great
22:33<Chutt>the kde cvs debs haven't been updated in almost a month
22:40<thor>Chutt, Petecool: sorry about that ... trying to do too many things at once
22:40<Chutt>i don't mind =)
22:42<PeteCool>thor: no problem
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22:42<thor>nziarek, you still here?
22:43<nziarek_>thor: yup
22:44<thor>GUI for mythmusic, do mock-ups exist yet, or are you just thining about them?
22:44<nziarek_>if you go to
22:44<nziarek_>i have some original mockups done
22:44<thor>Hang on (this time I'll actually bookmark it!)
22:45<Ndiin>Chutt: Something small and practically unimportant I just noticed: the bottom right text field in edit mode which shows the "current movement period" (1,5,20sec, etc) stays the same when you re-enter it as it was when you left, but the actual mode resets to 1sec
22:46<thor>Oh yeah ... I remember that now ... hmmm ... time to look at some recent mythfrontend stuff to see how people are doing this
22:47<Chutt>ndiin, ok, i'll check that out
22:47<nziarek_>thor: if youa re adding something that you'd like me to consider a GUI element for, let me know.
22:47<nziarek_>thor: i think my mockup now is really cluttered, so my goal is to clean it
22:47<nziarek_>any suggestions are welcome
22:50<thor>well ... it will take me a while to figure out how to do this ... do we know what kind of feedback we want on those button pixmaps on press
22:51<thor>move down and right, change colour slightly ... I dunno (no shadows to reflect in/out)
22:52<nziarek_>like the idea of the lack of shadow / movement to indicate a press
22:52<nziarek_>then a different color to dicate the current action (i.e. the ff button is red to indicate you are ff'ing)
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22:54<Ndiin>As good as it looks, something is making me not like it... I can't pinpoint what, though
22:55<Ndiin>In fact, it looks superb. heh
22:55<Chutt>i don't like having the currently playing stuff down near the bottom, actually
22:55<Ndiin>maybe thats it
22:55* Ndiinshrugs
22:56<PeteCool>I think left-right arrows should move from button to button, and up-down move the position in the list (enter plays the selected file)
22:56<Chutt>oh wow
22:56<PeteCool>I don't see that now
22:56<nziarek_>that is something i wanted to change; i wanted to give more emphasis to the currently playing stuff
22:56<nziarek_>Chutt: what was that too?
22:56<Chutt>turning on render accel makes the 'image' blending mode _almost_ instantaneous
22:56<vektor>The new nvidia drivers accellerate RENDER ?
22:56<thor>Chutt, new nvidia drivers?
22:57<Chutt>petecool, i don't like that, actually
22:57<Chutt>well, the render accel stuff was in the previous drivers too
22:57<Chutt>it still defaults to off, though
22:57<PeteCool>Chutt: or maybe a key to get in that mode or something
22:57<Ndiin>How do you enable the render accel stuff then?
22:57<thor>As long as everything isn't blue :-)
22:57<Chutt>it's in the readme
22:57<Ndiin>Ah, good place for it.
22:57<PeteCool>Chutt: changing shuffle mode and pressing next or prev a few thousand times doesn't make more sense to me
22:58<Chutt>petecool, you're not using it right, then
22:58<PeteCool>Chutt: sometimes I do want to play a specific song
22:58<Chutt>if you want to listen to something specific, go into the tree and select it
22:58<Chutt>since that's _quick_
22:58<PeteCool>go into the tree?
22:58<Chutt>edit playlist
22:58<thor>and it will be a lot faster in another day or two
22:59<Chutt>the whole point of the tree is selecting exactly what you want, quickly :p
22:59<Ndiin>hmm, the tree listing for All music is inverted sort now btw.
22:59<Ndiin>Z is first
22:59<Ndiin>numerics last..
23:00<thor>Oh crap ... are you paths = directory ?
23:00<thor>Ahhh ... thought I tested that ....
23:00<Ndiin>one sec
23:00<Ndiin>recompiling to make sure i'm using latest cvs
23:01<thor>It may be upside down, but it's faster :-)
23:01<Chutt>vektor, the scaling bug may be fixed
23:01<Ndiin>it is faster.
23:01<Chutt>i don't see it right now, but...
23:01<Ndiin>hmm, exiting the edit tree restarts the current song, even if you dont modify anything
23:01<Chutt>it hasn't always been 100% reproducible, seeing as it depends on uninitialized memory =)
23:02<thor>Ndiin, I need to run out and do a couple of things ... will try and fix this later tonight ... first thing tomorrow at the latest
23:02<Ndiin>thor: np, just pointing things out =)
23:03<Ndiin>Ok, exiting the edit tree isnt restarting the song, must have been a fluke of some sort.
23:09<vektor>Chutt: hmm, what are you testing with? :)
23:09<Ndiin>According to the nvidia-glx readme, the render accel stuff is enabled by default..
23:10<PeteCool>is there a way to provide X a "dummy" CorePointer?
23:10<Chutt>Default: hardware acceleration of the RENDER
23:10<Chutt> extension is disabled.
23:10<PeteCool>X takes over 2 minutes to start now
23:10<PeteCool>oh wait
23:10<PeteCool>this was on the mailing list
23:11<Ndiin>I'm using 3123..
23:11<Ndiin> extension. Default: RENDER is accelerated when possible.
23:11<Ndiin> default colormap. Default: RENDER is offered when possible.
23:11<Chutt>ndiin, right, and they rewrote that all in starting with the 4x series
23:11<Ndiin>guess I should try the new ones.
23:11<Chutt>it's actually fast now
23:11<Ndiin>Ah, gotcha
23:11<Chutt>vektor, anyway i can test with tvtime real quick?
23:12<vektor>Chutt: just set overscan to 8.0 in the config file
23:12<vektor>Chutt: Overscan = 8.0
23:12<vektor>and check the borders
23:13<Chutt>it didn't seem to read that
23:13<PeteCool>don't you mean 0.8 ?
23:13<Chutt>i've still got black borders on the right and left
23:13<vektor>no, 8%
23:13<vektor>Chutt: what version?
23:13<Chutt>like, last week or so
23:14<vektor>~/.tvtime/tvtimerc ?
23:14<Chutt>it says it's parsing it
23:14<vektor>fuck that, just 'echo overscan_up >> ~/.tvtime/tvtimefifo'
23:15<Chutt>ah, nm
23:15<Chutt>i misspelled it =)
23:15<vektor>ahaha :)
23:15<Chutt>but, no green funkiness at the borders of the video
23:15<vektor>i should warn when we hit a command we don't recognize
23:15<vektor>oh this sounds great
23:15<Chutt>none at all
23:15<Chutt>same thing as in mythtv
23:15<Chutt>so, looks like they fixed it
23:15<vektor>i'll email mark vojkovich and ask if he fixed it
23:15<vektor>just to make sure :)
23:16<Chutt>neat, it looks like they also fixed the down-scaling weirdness, too
23:16<Chutt>stuff looks good if i make the window really tiny
23:16<vektor>wow coool
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23:37<nziarek_>I am getting an error: MakeMaker could not find /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.0/i386-linux-thread-multi/CORE/perl.h when attempting to install LWP for XMLTV...anyone else see this on drake9.1?
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23:47<wigginjs>when I run setup, i get this, whats it mean? QSqlDatabase warning: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded
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23:49<Bonkers>anyone have the problem where non of their recordings have sound in the last few days? I don't think I changed anything in my setup except updating mythtv, but I have no sound now but old recordings play fine
23:49<PeteCool>moegreen: can you make MythPopupBox buttons react from an Enter too?
23:49<PeteCool>Bonkers: make sure your mixer settings are alright... sometimes here they change somehow
23:49<Bonkers>I restored them more than once
23:49<Bonkers>and they look fine
23:50<Bonkers>I wonder if I broke my recording somehow
23:50<Bonkers>can't imagine how
23:50<PeteCool>moegreen: also, the image fill is now faster than the gradient with HW-accel Render nvidia drivers
23:51<Chutt>the gradiant's still faster for me
23:51<Chutt>whatever =)
23:52<PeteCool>my system is mych slower than your
23:52<Chutt>the gradient's all software
23:53<PeteCool>does it draw it all in one chunk? Here gradient is seven chunks, png is two, all chunks about 0.1sec
23:53<Chutt>i believe the png is the same
23:53<Bonkers>ok, someone took the line in off capture then saved the settings, must be the gnomes
23:55<Justin_>Bonkers: you should consider using btaudio if you can
23:56<PeteCool>moegreen: another thing: with the new blueosd, when the show time is >1 hour, the text goes does in progress bar space, just like the auto-skip message