| 00:00 | <PeteCool> | sometimes when deleting from the "prompt on playback exit" menu, the popup doesn't show - the sading is right, but instead of the popup, I see an unshaded area |
| 00:00 | <PeteCool> | as if nothing was drawn over it |
| 00:01 | <inman> | PeteCool: which version of qt? |
| 00:01 | <PeteCool> | inman: 3.1.2 |
| 00:01 | <Chutt> | inman, the only thing that it'll use the filename for filling in artist/album/track info is mp3 |
| 00:01 | <inman> | Chutt: sweet, thanks. |
| 00:02 | <Chutt> | like i said a long time ago =) |
| 00:02 | <inman> | Chutt: i thought you meant id3... :-) |
| 00:02 | <Chutt> | it'd be easy to fill in for the other decoders, but... |
| 00:02 | <inman> | but? |
| 00:02 | <Chutt> | the treesort=directory thing is only for display |
| 00:02 | <inman> | aha |
| 00:02 | <Chutt> | i haven't bothered to, and the guy that submitted the 'fill-from-pathname' stuff only did it for mp3 |
| 00:03 | <inman> | gotcha. |
| 00:03 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: any ideas why the popup wouldn't show? |
| 00:03 | <thor> | Chutt, I uhm, rewrote all that, but probably did it differently |
| 00:03 | <Chutt> | thor, you did? |
| 00:03 | <thor> | yup |
| 00:03 | <Chutt> | the fill-from-pathname stuff is in the decoder |
| 00:03 | <Chutt> | i didn't think you touched any of the decoders, aside from the cd interface |
| 00:04 | <thor> | hang on ... |
| 00:04 | <Chutt> | i'm talking about filling in metadata, not the music tree |
| 00:04 | <thor> | Ahhhhh, filling in I didn't touch |
| 00:05 | <thor> | put pulling out from the db I rewrote |
| 00:05 | <inman> | i have really got to set aside some time for myth hackery. |
| 00:05 | <Chutt> | right |
| 00:07 | <thor> | the current metadata::getField should return everything right just from the path |
| 00:07 | <thor> | even directory=paths is on |
| 00:07 | <Chutt> | i don't think that puts it into the db |
| 00:07 | <Chutt> | whatever, though =) |
| 00:08 | <thor> | no, but the /path/to/the/filename/ and the final file name should be right |
| 00:08 | <thor> | I've obviously done something wrong |
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| 00:18 | <inman> | this has got to have something to do with the files. |
| 00:18 | <inman> | else, how did my removal of the metadata not affect all the albums in my db? |
| 00:19 | <inman> | the only ones that fail to get imported correctly are the ones i've added "by hand". |
| 00:19 | <inman> | yet the file structure is correct. |
| 00:19 | <inman> | er, s/file/directory/ |
| 00:20 | <thor> | short term: add column values by hand |
| 00:20 | <thor> | medium term: hang on, I'm just checking something |
| 00:20 | <inman> | i don't have a short term requirement for this. :-) |
| 00:24 | <thor> | OK, here's what's going on ... with TreeLevels = directory, metadata.cpp is using the directory structure to build branches (correctly) |
| 00:24 | <thor> | But when asked to put itself on the listview, it does not have a value for Title |
| 00:25 | <thor> | because that never went into the db in the first place |
| 00:25 | <thor> | as usual, Chutt is completely correct |
| 00:26 | <inman> | i think you're wrong about this. |
| 00:26 | <inman> | well, you may be right. |
| 00:26 | <inman> | but you're also wrong. :-) |
| 00:26 | <inman> | i'm pretty sure the metadata is stored in the flac header |
| 00:26 | <Chutt> | it is, and the flac decoder parses that out |
| 00:27 | <inman> | right, so the decoder isn't finding it there and is assuming a value based on treelevels? |
| 00:27 | <inman> | but never saving it to the db. |
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| 00:27 | <Chutt> | when you do treeleves = directory |
| 00:27 | <Chutt> | it doesn't use the db _at all_ when it builds the tree |
| 00:27 | <inman> | right. |
| 00:27 | <Chutt> | it goes purely by the filesystem |
| 00:28 | <Chutt> | it doesn't write anything into the db |
| 00:28 | <inman> | i can tell, cause my db is empty. :-) |
| 00:28 | <Chutt> | it doesn't read anything from the db |
| 00:28 | <inman> | you don't think it should write to the db? |
| 00:28 | <Chutt> | no |
| 00:28 | <Chutt> | it shouldn't |
| 00:29 | <Chutt> | that's what the scan for music is for |
| 00:29 | <Chutt> | different process |
| 00:29 | <inman> | Chutt: you do realize that i'm issuing a scan-for-music at startup due to my empty db? |
| 00:29 | <Chutt> | right |
| 00:29 | <thor> | But you've got flac content and treelevels=directory |
| 00:29 | <Chutt> | and you're not finding metadata for things because the flac and ogg decoders do not support filling in metadata from the pathname |
| 00:30 | <thor> | Chutt, as a band-aid, if Title is unknown/empty and TreeLevel=directory, metadata could easily stick in the filename |
| 00:31 | <Chutt> | it'd be just as easy to cut'n'paste the code from the mp3 decoder into the flac and ogg decoders |
| 00:31 | <thor> | right, better |
| 00:31 | <inman> | the irony is that i have treelevel=directory, but it's adding plenty of metadata for the other tracks that have vorbis tags |
| 00:31 | <Chutt> | how's that ironic? |
| 00:32 | <Chutt> | it sees if there's any available metadata |
| 00:32 | <inman> | seems like it should use directory alone, and not mtadata. |
| 00:34 | <poptix> | Chutt: any thoughts on the quality of the video from that PVR-250? |
| 00:35 | <Chutt> | video's fine at whatever the default rate is |
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| 00:35 | <Chutt> | audio sucks, but that seems to be a driver issue, as it's fine in windows |
| 00:35 | <thor> | how's the file size? |
| 00:35 | <poptix> | did you find the advanced settings in the windows player? |
| 00:35 | <Chutt> | poptix, it hung the app when i clicked on the advanced button |
| 00:35 | <Chutt> | so, no =) |
| 00:35 | <poptix> | haha =) |
| 00:36 | <poptix> | did you get the updated WDM drivers from their website? |
| 00:36 | <Chutt> | naw, just what's on the cd |
| 00:36 | <poptix> | they fix quite a few things |
| 00:36 | <poptix> | there's also an updated wintv app there |
| 00:36 | <Chutt> | but i've got a newer card revision, figured i'd have a later version of the software, too |
| 00:36 | <poptix> | probably not =) |
| 00:36 | <Chutt> | i've got the 250-II |
| 00:36 | <poptix> | hauppauge makes great hardware |
| 00:36 | <poptix> | and shitty software. |
| 00:36 | <Chutt> | which has the decode-only chip |
| 00:36 | <Chutt> | and no heatsink or anything on the encoder |
| 00:36 | <poptix> | encode only |
| 00:36 | <Chutt> | err, encode-only chip |
| 00:36 | <poptix> | right |
| 00:37 | <poptix> | mine has no fan or heatsink |
| 00:37 | <poptix> | doesn't get very hot |
| 00:37 | <Chutt> | current cvs will play back the generated .mpg files fine |
| 00:37 | <Chutt> | good sync, at least for me |
| 00:37 | <poptix> | 'Hauppauge WinTV PVR-250 PCI II |
| 00:37 | <Chutt> | it's just reading files, though |
| 00:37 | <poptix> | ' |
| 00:38 | <Chutt> | i'm hooking it up to read from the ringbuffer now |
| 00:38 | <Chutt> | then i'll look into making the recording stuff work |
| 00:38 | <poptix> | nifty. |
| 00:38 | <Chutt> | recording will have to use some cpu, as i need to find out when i frames happen |
| 00:39 | <Chutt> | gotta keep track, and that's going to mean partial decoding |
| 00:39 | <Chutt> | i think :( |
| 00:40 | <thor> | that for commercial skip? |
| 00:40 | <Chutt> | no |
| 00:40 | <Chutt> | it does various things like keeps you from seeking too far ahead by checking to see how many frames were encoded |
| 00:41 | <Chutt> | i suppose i'll have to work out how to seek properly sometime too |
| 00:41 | <poptix> | very nifty. |
| 00:41 | <Chutt> | since apparently everyone just randomly seeks to a position in a .mpg file and reads until they get to the next i frame / sync point |
| 00:42 | <Chutt> | kinda crappy, if ya ask me =) |
| 00:42 | <poptix> | at some point i'll see what it takes to get my sigma designs mpeg1/2 hardware decoder working =) |
| 00:42 | <thor> | This is the old avi is better than mpg debate |
| 00:42 | <poptix> | then i can use a rather low-end system in the livingroom with minimal noise |
| 00:43 | <poptix> | thor: each format has its strengths and weaknesses |
| 00:43 | <Chutt> | really, .nuv seems a lot nicer than both of em |
| 00:43 | <thor> | ; |
| 00:43 | <Chutt> | 'specially with my additions |
| 00:44 | <nyquiljer> | Chutt: they ever gonna take your changes? |
| 00:44 | <Chutt> | they == who? |
| 00:44 | <nyquiljer> | the nuppelvideo people |
| 00:45 | <Chutt> | i emailed him like a year ago, never got a response, project seems dead to me |
| 00:45 | <nyquiljer> | thats unfortunate |
| 00:45 | <poptix> | Chutt: did you play with the msp34xx driver, and the ioctl stuff with the ivtv driver? |
| 00:46 | <Chutt> | i'm using their msp34xx driver |
| 00:46 | <poptix> | Chutt: i had a similar problem with the sound, that was fixed by finding the right input+output |
| 00:46 | <Chutt> | needed to to get sound |
| 00:46 | <Chutt> | haven't used the ioctl stuff or anything |
| 00:46 | <Chutt> | sound's ok, there's just a very annoying high-pitched ringing/whine |
| 00:46 | <Chutt> | like, i wouldn't be able to use this for real, i don't think |
| 00:46 | <Chutt> | unless i lowpassed it |
| 00:47 | <poptix> | yeah |
| 00:47 | <poptix> | sounds like it might be fixed with the ioctl utility in CVS |
| 00:47 | <poptix> | (as mine was) |
| 00:47 | <moegreen> | Chutt: my card sounds pretty good |
| 00:47 | <poptix> | if you do poke at it, please submit the relevant information to the list |
| 00:47 | <Chutt> | i will |
| 00:48 | <moegreen> | http://untzuntz.com/mythtv/testing/newweather3.jpg |
| 00:48 | <Chutt> | i just got the card today, and i've been busy with other stuff :p |
| 00:48 | <Chutt> | nice |
| 00:48 | <Chutt> | one too many blends on the left side? =) |
| 00:48 | <moegreen> | heh, yeah - I just threw something together real quick because I've been making a lot of graphics recently |
| 00:49 | <moegreen> | actually that might be a layering issue |
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| 00:57 | <Chutt> | looks real nice, anyway |
| 01:00 | <inman> | are you in state college, moegreen? nice sshot. |
| 01:01 | <moegreen> | yeah |
| 01:01 | <thor> | inman, I have just one follow-up, the flac's in question were ripped by what? |
| 01:01 | <inman> | cdparanoia->flac-1.1, ditto for mythmusic. |
| 01:01 | <inman> | thor: no internal metadata in my cdparanoia->flac-1.1 rips, though. |
| 01:02 | <thor> | no tags inside the ripped flac's, correct |
| 01:02 | <inman> | correct. |
| 01:02 | <thor> | ok, I got it |
| 01:03 | <poptix> | i still don't fully understand the european channel issue |
| 01:03 | <inman> | there are ~3-4 issues there. :-) |
| 01:03 | <poptix> | they just have like, channel slots, and assaign a random frequency to it? |
| 01:03 | <Chutt> | they get like 4 channels |
| 01:03 | <Chutt> | total |
| 01:03 | <inman> | not random, but year. |
| 01:03 | <inman> | er, yeah. |
| 01:04 | <Chutt> | when they buy a new tv, they can't just turn it on |
| 01:04 | <Chutt> | they have to set things up |
| 01:04 | <poptix> | Chutt: that's because they have to pay a 'TV tax' to even own a TV |
| 01:04 | <Chutt> | generally, they assign a single remote button to each channel they get |
| 01:04 | <poptix> | that's scary |
| 01:04 | <Chutt> | which works ok when you've got 4 channels |
| 01:05 | <poptix> | still though, what's the issue? |
| 01:05 | <thor> | Station's (e.g. MTV) map to different frequencies |
| 01:05 | <Chutt> | at least, that's what all the whining i get tells me |
| 01:05 | <Chutt> | =) |
| 01:05 | <inman> | heh |
| 01:05 | <poptix> | what happens when you tell the card to tune to say, channel 5 |
| 01:05 | <thor> | can depend on the time of day |
| 01:05 | <Chutt> | like, only one person has even bothered to try submitting a patch |
| 01:05 | <Chutt> | and it was soooo bad i couldn't accept it |
| 01:05 | <inman> | you don't tune to channel 5. |
| 01:06 | <Chutt> | and then the guy goes all storming off since i didn't immediately apply it to cvs |
| 01:06 | <inman> | you tune to, eg. BBC1 |
| 01:06 | <poptix> | the v4l API doesn't understand 'BBC1' =P |
| 01:06 | <thor> | speaking of applying patches, anyone (Chutt?) have a problem with that change vizualizers on song change patch |
| 01:06 | <inman> | it does seem to me that a good bit of the problem is the xmltv input. |
| 01:06 | <poptix> | it understands channel numbers that map to frequencies based on the standard you have selected |
| 01:07 | <Chutt> | thor, is the bit in there to make a delay of 0 mean start immediately? |
| 01:07 | <Chutt> | otherwise, sure, it's fine |
| 01:07 | <inman> | poptix: right. |
| 01:07 | <poptix> | so, i'm still not getting it |
| 01:07 | <Chutt> | poptix, they want another mapping layer is all |
| 01:07 | <poptix> | they want the channel to map to a frequency within mythtv |
| 01:07 | <inman> | Chutt: i don't see why we don't add a few more columns to channel. |
| 01:07 | <poptix> | and have mythtv tell the card what frequency to tune to? |
| 01:08 | <Chutt> | they want button 1 on the remote to map to channel 5 in the frequency table to map to the actual frequency |
| 01:08 | <Chutt> | inman, it'd just need one additional one, i think |
| 01:08 | <Chutt> | but like i said, no-one's submitted a patch =) |
| 01:08 | <poptix> | no wonder they only have like 4 tv channels, after charging people for the right to even own one, and making it that complicated to even setup.. |
| 01:08 | <inman> | Chutt: i'm thinking of one for priority. 0 by default, 1 for less-preferred duplicate channels available on other inputs. |
| 01:09 | <Chutt> | how many people are going to have a lot of sources? |
| 01:09 | <Chutt> | priority could easily just go in sourceid order |
| 01:09 | <inman> | fair enough. |
| 01:09 | <poptix> | do the xmltv listings specify the frequency when grabbing data for the UK? |
| 01:09 | <Chutt> | poptix, nope |
| 01:09 | <poptix> | or do they just say 'BBC1' |
| 01:10 | <Chutt> | they don't even say bbc1, they say like bbc1.blah.blah.blah |
| 01:10 | <poptix> | man, and i thought we were ass backwards for not having nationwide GSM coverage |
| 01:11 | <inman> | poptix: you one of those gsm adopters too? |
| 01:11 | <poptix> | inman: no, i hate cell phones |
| 01:11 | <poptix> | actually, i hate phones |
| 01:12 | <poptix> | text messaging and mobile IP connectivitiy is good though. |
| 01:12 | <inman> | gprs is pretty damn fast. |
| 01:13 | <Chutt> | have there been a lot of junky list messages today, or is it just me? |
| 01:13 | <Ndiin> | Not just you.. |
| 01:13 | <inman> | Chutt: you mean because i've been active on the list? :-P |
| 01:15 | <Chutt> | naw |
| 01:15 | <Chutt> | well, other than misunderstanding mdz =) |
| 01:15 | <inman> | i think i understood him. |
| 01:16 | <inman> | i just took his rationale a step further. |
| 01:16 | <inman> | anyway, it's all talk until i get some time. |
| 01:17 | <Chutt> | hrm |
| 01:17 | <Chutt> | using the ringbuffer class for file reading seems to have reduced cpu usage a bit |
| 01:17 | <Chutt> | oh, wait, nm =) |
| 01:18 | <Chutt> | i had turned off deinterlacing |
| 01:18 | <inman> | how much reduced cpu does that buy you? |
| 01:19 | <Chutt> | 5% or so |
| 01:19 | <inman> | pfft |
| 01:19 | <Chutt> | i was just checking to see what it was |
| 01:19 | <Chutt> | when moegreen and i were talkin 'bout cpu usage of it |
| 01:22 | <Chutt> | there, that's all in cvs, time for bed |
| 01:23 | <inman> | hasta |
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| 02:11 | <Captain_Murdoch> | Chutt: just in case you see this in your scrollback buffer.... I successfully played a PVR-250 file with mythtv that I had recorded under the windows software about 3-4 months ago. |
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| 02:18 | <moegreen> | http://untzuntz.com/mythtv/weather/ <- updated screenshots |
| 02:20 | <orangey> | purty |
| 02:23 | <Captain_Murdoch> | nice |
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| 02:31 | <Captain_Murdoch> | moegreen: do you have a pvr250 in the same system as a regular bt8[47]8 card? I'm wondering if it will be ok to slap in my 250 in my dev box with my other card that's already in there. |
| 02:47 | <inman> | Captain_Murdoch: it'll be fine. |
| 02:49 | <Captain_Murdoch> | speaking from experience? |
| 02:49 | <inman> | yep. |
| 02:50 | <Captain_Murdoch> | cool. I didn't want to lose the ability to use my dev box as a 2nd recorder when I have conflicts sometimes. :) |
| 02:51 | <Captain_Murdoch> | wasn't sure if any of the ivtv modules would conflict with standard ones since ivtv stuff isn't known to support multiple cards yet. |
| 02:53 | <inman> | it's not bttv, not even close. |
| 02:53 | <inman> | i have a pvr-350 and a wintv 401dbx |
| 02:59 | <Captain_Murdoch> | ok, thanks. guess I'll slap it in next time sometime |
| 03:01 | <Captain_Murdoch> | I really should proofread my stuff before I type it while trying to do real work, debug code, and chat at the same time at 3am. :) |
| 03:01 | <Captain_Murdoch> | guess it would be even better if I proofread AFTER. :) |
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| 03:11 | <inman> | i have that problem too. :-) |
| 03:11 | * inman | is a chronic late nighter. |
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| 03:17 | <Captain_Murdoch> | I've already been to bed for 3-4 hours but had to get up to do some work. can't take customer sites down during the day, has to be done during a 3a-6a maintenance window. |
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| 03:56 | <inman> | yep, btdt. |
| 03:57 | <inman> | being on-call is worse, though, no guarantee that you'll ever get back to sleep. :-) |
| 04:11 | <poptix> | the solution, of course, is to not sleep at all. |
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| 04:49 | <FryGuy> | hello is anyone awake? |
| 04:49 | <Captain_Murdoch> | barely |
| 04:49 | <FryGuy> | do you have mythtv set up? |
| 04:51 | <Captain_Murdoch> | yes |
| 04:56 | <FryGuy> | can you stream the output to a windows box any way? |
| 04:56 | <FryGuy> | i don't think the computer i'd set it up on will be able to handle input and output |
| 04:57 | <FryGuy> | actually be right back |
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| 07:18 | <hurdel> | is the website down or is it just me? |
| 07:21 | <Captain_Murdoch> | down |
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| 10:45 | <hurdel> | how long is the site going to be down? is it down on purpose? |
| 10:48 | <moegreen> | hurdel: something seems messed up on the way: 16 * 207.218.245.38 (207.218.245.38) 3531.759 ms !H 3921.274 ms !H |
| 10:48 | <moegreen> | maybe the hosting provider is being DDoS'd or something |
| 10:49 | <moegreen> | hurdel: what were you looking for? |
| 10:49 | <hurdel> | hmm, was looking for the install docs, had to rebuild my box |
| 10:49 | <hurdel> | then remembered they are included in the cvs |
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| 12:06 | <nziarek_> | another new Iulius (trying to keep up with moegreen!) http://www.ziarek.com/mythtv/download.asp |
| 12:10 | <Chutt> | nziarek, did you see http://untzuntz.com/mythtv/weather/ |
| 12:10 | <Chutt> | ? |
| 12:10 | <nziarek_> | oooh...fun :) |
| 12:10 | <nziarek_> | i guess I am not keeping up as well as I thought |
| 12:11 | <Chutt> | i don't think it's in cvs yet |
| 12:12 | <nziarek_> | is CVS still stable? I want to get the new program finder stuff |
| 12:14 | <Chutt> | should be |
| 12:14 | <nziarek_> | ok...i thought you said you might break it with the Wintv250 stuff |
| 12:14 | <Chutt> | yeah, but apparently i didn't |
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| 12:27 | <wigginjs> | how are you guys setting 'mythbackend' and 'mythfrontend' to start on boot? |
| 12:28 | <mdz_> | with init scripts |
| 12:29 | <wigginjs> | like .xinitrc? |
| 12:31 | <mdz_> | no, like /etc/init.d/* |
| 12:31 | <wigginjs> | oh, well, how to you get mythfrontend to execute from an init script if X windows hasn't started yet? |
| 12:32 | <mdz_> | by starting X first? |
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| 12:33 | <mdz_> | if you're not comfortable with that stuff, the easiest way to set it up would probably be to use gdm |
| 12:33 | <wigginjs> | well, i know, gdm = GNOME display manager, but what does it actually do? |
| 12:33 | <mdz_> | you can configure gdm to automatically login and start an X session as particular user |
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| 12:34 | <mdz_> | it takes care of starting and stopping the X server, and providing a login dialog, basically |
| 12:34 | <wigginjs> | oh, well, i'm using kdm right now, could I do the same with it? |
| 12:34 | <wigginjs> | infact, the auto-login and starting X works |
| 12:35 | <wigginjs> | and blackbox comes up just fine, it's just I have 'irxevent &' in my .xinitrc (in my home director) and it shows up as a defunct (zombie) process when I get into X |
| 12:35 | <wigginjs> | but applications like 'xterm &' work just fine |
| 12:35 | <wigginjs> | very confusing =\ |
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| 12:39 | <wigginjs> | mdz: you still there? |
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| 13:01 | <mdz_> | yes, but free tech support just ended |
| 13:10 | <moegreen> | heh |
| 13:13 | <Chutt> | playtime's over? |
| 13:23 | <rkulagow> | mdz, still here? |
| 13:27 | <mdz_> | rkulagow: depends on what you want |
| 13:27 | <mdz_> | :-) |
| 13:28 | <rkulagow> | strong objections to someone adding stuff to the HOWTO for the .debs? |
| 13:28 | <rkulagow> | also, how do i login and my sound card doesn't work! |
| 13:29 | <thor> | mdz, do you know why my disk drive LED stoped working? |
| 13:31 | <nziarek_> | moegreen: if you hit right while on the right hand side, does it wrap to the show title listings? |
| 13:35 | <rkulagow> | mdz: i was serious about the howto part, and joking about the rest... |
| 13:40 | <moegreen> | nziarek_: no |
| 13:41 | <nziarek_> | thanks; sorry about the dumb question, but I am working on designs and come up with ideas that I can't test... |
| 13:41 | <moegreen> | no problems |
| 13:41 | <moegreen> | err, problem |
| 14:03 | <mdz_> | rkulagow: no objections, no. let me know if you need any information from me |
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| 16:06 | <PeteCool> | nziarek: will you be updating version numbers as you add stuff to iulius.2 ? |
| 16:11 | <PeteCool> | nziarek: or do I have to guess if it has been updated? =) |
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| 16:47 | <PeteCool> | moegreen: in the new mythweather, I think I would rather write "Enter Zip Code" than "Enter Zip Code Below", because: |
| 16:47 | <PeteCool> | you have now mouse, you can't focus anywhere but in that popup |
| 16:47 | <PeteCool> | and... something else I forgot :( |
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| 16:50 | <froggy19> | that's two reasons |
| 16:50 | <nziarek_> | PeteCool: i am updating the version numbers - right now we are on .3 :) http://www.ziarek.com/mythtv/download.asp |
| 16:51 | <PeteCool> | froggy19: that's better than none ;) |
| 16:51 | <froggy19> | this project looks like it's a lot of fun |
| 16:52 | <froggy19> | i'm thinking about scavenging an old box i have that's a p3-450, and a voodoo3 3500 card and seeing if it will work |
| 16:52 | <PeteCool> | nziarek_: oh right... I was looking from the bottom of the page, didn't expect you to put it on top |
| 16:52 | <PeteCool> | nziarek_: sorry |
| 16:52 | <froggy19> | although I kind of want to do the output on my windows box since it's in the room with my tv, and I want to put the encoder in my closet |
| 16:53 | <PeteCool> | nziarek_: in the last few days I've had lots of trouble, my dns servers have lots of trouble resolving your hostname |
| 16:53 | <PeteCool> | nziarek_: where is that server? |
| 16:55 | <nziarek_> | honestly, no idea... |
| 16:55 | <nziarek_> | i believe in Wisconsin, though |
| 16:57 | <Ndiin> | Wisconsin has internet access? Wow! |
| 16:57 | <Ndiin> | =P |
| 16:57 | <nziarek_> | Ndiin :P |
| 16:59 | <nziarek_> | anyone have any comments on this: http://www.ziarek.com/mythtv/testing.asp |
| 17:00 | <PeteCool> | nziarek_: looks good, but maybe I'd swap the top left and right content areas |
| 17:01 | <PeteCool> | but maybe it's only because I'm used to it like that... I'd have to try it |
| 17:02 | <PeteCool> | it's missing the show's channel |
| 17:03 | <froggy19> | PeteCool: are you sure it's dns servers having trouble? his site is name-based hosting |
| 17:03 | <PeteCool> | name-based hosting? what do you mean exactly? virtual hosts? |
| 17:04 | <nziarek_> | PeteCool: i guess I was trying to arrange it in a way that made sense; you care more about the actual shows than the show titles |
| 17:04 | <froggy19> | well, virtual hosts can be name-based or ip-based |
| 17:05 | <froggy19> | nziarek: i don't really know what i'm supposed to be looking for, but it looks nice |
| 17:05 | <nziarek_> | froggy19: not looking for anything, just opinions about it |
| 17:05 | <froggy19> | the font on the top right could be a little crisper though |
| 17:05 | <nziarek_> | hopefully that is just bad image scaling |
| 17:05 | <froggy19> | i figured that's what it was |
| 17:06 | <froggy19> | what resolution does the tv-out run at? |
| 17:06 | <froggy19> | in general |
| 17:06 | <PeteCool> | nziarek_: yeah, the fonts is a little weird... very wide. Again, I'll have to see what it looks like in real-time |
| 17:06 | <nziarek_> | mine is at 800x600 |
| 17:06 | <PeteCool> | mine too |
| 17:06 | <froggy19> | and now i get what I'm looking at. |
| 17:06 | <froggy19> | really neat organization |
| 17:07 | <nziarek_> | yeah, you can go to the show listing and scroll through to only get episodes of a certain show |
| 17:07 | <froggy19> | although I think I'd put the show listing on the left, and the episode listing on the right because it seems more intuitive for the relation to have the more general on the left |
| 17:07 | <nziarek_> | there is an "All programs" mode that shows you everything you've recorded |
| 17:07 | <nziarek_> | froggy: well, that is the way i initially made it |
| 17:07 | <froggy19> | er whoops |
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| 17:07 | <PeteCool> | froggy19: that's what I wanted to say |
| 17:08 | <FryGuy> | not that you know me either way |
| 17:08 | <nziarek_> | FryGUy: but I was thinking that you only care about the show title box _sometimes_ and the episode information _always_ |
| 17:08 | <FryGuy> | but like i said though, i haven't ever seen it running, so I don't know if I could be fair about my judgement |
| 17:08 | <PeteCool> | another addon which could be useful is a "Movie" category - I have many one-entry shows, which actually are movie titles |
| 17:09 | <inman> | figuring out what is a movie and what isn't is still something of an open problem. |
| 17:09 | <inman> | people outside of tv_grab_na-land need alternate criteria. |
| 17:09 | <PeteCool> | inman: are there shows which run longer than an hour and a half? |
| 17:10 | <inman> | PeteCool: sporting events? |
| 17:10 | <PeteCool> | oh right |
| 17:10 | <PeteCool> | hmm |
| 17:10 | <inman> | specials, paid programming, et cetera. |
| 17:10 | <FryGuy> | are those date/time of airings on the right of the episode listing? |
| 17:10 | <PeteCool> | but do you really want to record paid programming? I wouldn't |
| 17:10 | <nziarek_> | PeteCool: all 90min+ shows with only a title be classified as movies? |
| 17:10 | <inman> | auto racing? |
| 17:10 | <PeteCool> | yeh |
| 17:10 | <nziarek_> | only a title = no subtitle or show title |
| 17:10 | <inman> | if you look at mythweb, you can see the smellsLikeMovie() looks for >=70min shows. |
| 17:11 | <inman> | and then compares them to a list of genres. |
| 17:11 | <PeteCool> | nziarek_: the french cartoon channels here don't supply subtitles |
| 17:11 | <inman> | it shortcircuits on the existence of ratings/stars, too. |
| 17:11 | <nziarek_> | FryGuy: yeah |
| 17:11 | <inman> | but as i've said, that data doesn't necessarily exist worldwide. |
| 17:12 | <FryGuy> | could you just automagically look them up on imdb and see if the name is in the list? |
| 17:12 | <PeteCool> | FryGuy: that could take a while |
| 17:12 | <FryGuy> | when you start recording would be easiest |
| 17:12 | <inman> | FryGuy: no, although the latest mythweb does a better job at that. |
| 17:12 | <nziarek_> | PeteCool: but the cartoons wouldn't be longer than 70 minutes, would they? |
| 17:12 | <PeteCool> | mythweb doesn't pass extended ascii characters to imdb right |
| 17:13 | <PeteCool> | nziarek_: good point |
| 17:13 | <inman> | PeteCool: i dunno. |
| 17:13 | <nziarek_> | I don't know, but it does make sense to group those one epsidoe shows together, IMO |
| 17:15 | <FryGuy> | perhaps an option to flag as a series or a movie |
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| 17:27 | <nziarek_> | anyone here using iulius.3 have any comments on it? |
| 17:29 | <PeteCool> | nziarek_: let me take a look |
| 17:29 | <nziarek_> | no rush, just looking for improvement suggestions |
| 17:30 | <PeteCool> | nziarek_: fix conflicts could use a makeover |
| 17:30 | <PeteCool> | nziarek_: it's like blue with your background now |
| 17:31 | <Chutt> | fix conflicts isn't possible yet |
| 17:31 | <nziarek_> | PeteCool: I can only makeover what moegreen has implemented theming for |
| 17:31 | <PeteCool> | nziarek_: also, it seems like your down arrow sometimes shows when it shouldn't |
| 17:31 | <PeteCool> | but it might be a code bug |
| 17:32 | <PeteCool> | give me a sec |
| 17:32 | <nziarek_> | PeteCool, i did notice that - it shouldn't be a theme problem, i don't think |
| 17:32 | <PeteCool> | right, SasQuatch also has it |
| 17:32 | <nziarek_> | moegreen: sometimes the downarrow is showing up when it shouldn't/doesn't need to |
| 17:33 | <nziarek_> | (just in case he does any read back for his name) |
| 17:34 | <PeteCool> | nziarek_: well, besides the down left corner of the delete screen which doesn't show (which you have noticed for sure), the only thing I don't agree with is the main menu title |
| 17:34 | <PeteCool> | I'd put Myth only |
| 17:34 | <PeteCool> | instead of mythmedia |
| 17:34 | <nziarek_> | i am having a hard time with that |
| 17:34 | <nziarek_> | i just don't like the look of Myth only... |
| 17:35 | <PeteCool> | I find it looks alright |
| 17:35 | <nziarek_> | well, we'll see :) i can include both and people can use what they like |
| 17:35 | <nziarek_> | or, i wil impose my will as the theme designer, dammit =) |
| 17:36 | <PeteCool> | hmm, also, some show infos overlap in delete recordings (I'm pretty sure you saw that too - just making sure) |
| 17:36 | <PeteCool> | nziarek_: but, I'm all whine here, it does look good, nice progress |
| 17:37 | <nziarek_> | PeteCool: i actually released all of that without ever looking at delete recordings screen ... but, i understand there are some spots I need to fix up |
| 17:37 | <nziarek_> | PeteCool: thanks - your comments are the kind I like. the "I don't like it" comments are the ones that don't help |
| 17:38 | <nziarek_> | "I like it" comments don't help either, but they do make you feel warm and cozy inside =) |
| 17:38 | <PeteCool> | hehe |
| 17:42 | <PeteCool> | nziarek_: the .3 font is harder to read than the .2 font for the osd |
| 17:42 | <PeteCool> | or maybe my font size is too small? |
| 17:42 | <nziarek_> | PeteCool: really, you think so? |
| 17:42 | <nziarek_> | well, i control most of that, so I will look into it |
| 17:43 | <PeteCool> | in the time display the numbers seem to be "squished" together a little |
| 17:43 | <PeteCool> | not enough space between them |
| 17:44 | <nziarek_> | ok - what res are you recording at? |
| 17:44 | <PeteCool> | 320x480 |
| 17:44 | <nziarek_> | i was trying to figure out if that influences that OSD at all |
| 17:44 | <nziarek_> | i don't really understand how the OSD works :) |
| 17:44 | <PeteCool> | the old font looked fine at that resolution |
| 17:44 | <nziarek_> | hmm...alright, i will look in to it, thanks |
| 17:44 | <PeteCool> | or... hmm |
| 17:45 | <PeteCool> | I was looking at an old recording, those might have been at 352x480 |
| 17:46 | <nziarek_> | just the time display was hard? what about the rewind text? is this on a TV or monitor? |
| 17:47 | <PeteCool> | on a tv |
| 17:47 | <PeteCool> | the osd text (A-z) is fine, only numbers are wrong |
| 17:48 | <PeteCool> | the letters are tighly packed, but don't overlap |
| 17:48 | <nziarek_> | and are plenty readable or no? |
| 17:49 | <PeteCool> | they are readable at 3 feet... at 6~7 feet, they are too close to be quickly (plenty) readable |
| 17:49 | <nziarek_> | what size TV? |
| 17:50 | <PeteCool> | 20" |
| 17:50 | <nziarek_> | damn :) ok, i have some work to do |
| 17:50 | <nziarek_> | maybe I'll just go back to arial/freesans |
| 17:51 | <nziarek_> | just wanted a font with just a little edge =) |
| 17:52 | <PeteCool> | the .2 one was fine... which one was that? |
| 17:53 | <nziarek_> | dustismo - i didn't like how the numbers hung down, though |
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| 18:40 | <moegreen> | http://www.untzuntz.com/mythtv/testing/wea-radar.jpg |
| 18:40 | <nziarek_> | sweet! |
| 18:41 | <Chutt> | heh, cool. |
| 18:41 | <nziarek_> | is that for real, or just a mock? |
| 18:42 | <moegreen> | that's for real, I've got one url hardcoded, I just need to strip it out of an HTML file that I'm already receiving |
| 18:43 | <nziarek_> | that is very cool :) |
| 18:43 | <nziarek_> | i was wondering; with the new ui stuff, can I place any element on each page (i.e. can I put the current weather on the radar page)? |
| 18:44 | <moegreen> | nziarek_: the weather stuff will be a little different because it focuses on multiple pages. For the other stuff, items that get set by the code need to be in their specific containers. |
| 18:46 | <moegreen> | I *guess* in mythweather I could set each page as a different context and have all the widgets in the same container. Then it would be up to the designer, but ... |
| 18:46 | <nziarek_> | that makes sense; the reason i ask is that i think i like the idea of having the current conditions on each page, since they are the most important. |
| 18:46 | <Chutt> | moegreen, for the default theme |
| 18:46 | <Chutt> | i'm thinking it'd be best to have a weather-ui.xml |
| 18:47 | <Chutt> | and a separate theme/ dir in the weather module |
| 18:47 | <Chutt> | it can just install into the same default/ directory that the mythfrontend stuff does, though |
| 18:47 | <moegreen> | the graphics can go in the default/ right? |
| 18:49 | <nziarek_> | if i theme MythWeather, are people going to have to place the files in seperate places, or still just one? |
| 18:49 | <Chutt> | still one |
| 18:50 | <Chutt> | moegreen, i'd prefer to keep the graphics and the .ui file for it in the weather module |
| 18:50 | <Chutt> | but they can be installed to the same place as the other default graphics, sure |
| 18:50 | <moegreen> | so off the mythtv/mythweather/ dir |
| 18:50 | <Chutt> | no |
| 18:51 | <Chutt> | in cvs, they'd go in the weather module |
| 18:51 | <Chutt> | when they get installed, they'd go to share/mythtv/themes/default/ |
| 18:51 | <moegreen> | but you want the <window name="weather"> stuff in a seperate weather-ui.xml file (at least for what goes in cvs) |
| 18:52 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 18:52 | <Chutt> | just make it load weather-ui.xml or whatnot instead of ui.xml |
| 18:52 | <Chutt> | just trying to keep the separate modules, well, separate =) |
| 18:52 | <PeteCool> | moegreen: would the radar work for canada? |
| 18:53 | <moegreen> | PeteCool: I assume, try: http://www.weather.com/weather/map/<your acid>?from=LAPmaps |
| 18:55 | <moegreen> | Chutt: but for a theme designer - they can put the "weather" stuff in the one ui file - or should I have them just make a weather-ui.xml file too |
| 18:55 | <PeteCool> | hmm, the map shows most of canada and most of the us... not specific at all |
| 18:55 | <Chutt> | i dunno |
| 18:55 | <Chutt> | i wouldn't think it'd matter much, would it? |
| 18:55 | <Chutt> | petecool, that's what you get for living in canada, then |
| 18:56 | <PeteCool> | maybe I could find a better source |
| 18:56 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: I didn't choose to |
| 18:56 | <PeteCool> | at least we don't have crappy laws like dmca |
| 18:57 | <Chutt> | oh no, you got me there |
| 18:57 | <Chutt> | i'm hurting |
| 18:57 | <PeteCool> | bah |
| 18:57 | <moegreen> | PeteCool: most of the weather maps I've seen are of most of canada, but if you can find something that uses the ACID that weather.com/msnbc.com use - let me know |
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| 19:15 | <moegreen> | 21,000 songs ... that is just ridiculous |
| 19:15 | <Chutt> | the progressbar got lost =) |
| 19:15 | <Chutt> | just fixed that, though |
| 19:16 | <moegreen> | Chutt: in mythmusic? |
| 19:16 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 19:18 | <Chutt> | hrm |
| 19:18 | <Chutt> | weird behavior in mythmusic |
| 19:18 | <moegreen> | ok, I think i've got the radar working with any acid now |
| 19:18 | <Chutt> | great |
| 19:18 | <moegreen> | yeah! |
| 19:19 | <moegreen> | takes a few more seconds to get all the data, plus it needs to traverse two html pages, but it usually gets the weather (map and all) within 2-3 seconds |
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| 19:39 | <Chutt> | how odd |
| 19:39 | <PeteCool> | nziarek_: hmm, the only squished fonts are in the recordings playback osd |
| 19:39 | <PeteCool> | nziarek_: live tv OSD is great |
| 19:39 | <Chutt> | i'm getting doubled keypresses in the menus sometimes |
| 19:39 | <moegreen> | Chutt: do you have two irxevents running? |
| 19:39 | <Chutt> | i shouldn't have any right now |
| 19:42 | <moegreen> | hmm...the maps of alaska don't come up very reliably. They do via a browser |
| 19:44 | <thor> | PeetCool, you from Canada? |
| 19:50 | <moegreen> | there...that's better |
| 19:51 | <thor> | Chutt, you there? |
| 19:53 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 19:53 | <Chutt> | trying to fix this weird doubled keypress thing |
| 19:53 | <thor> | thinking about the mythmusic interface (again) |
| 19:54 | <thor> | it's not passing the non-techie house guests test |
| 19:54 | <moegreen> | heh |
| 19:54 | <thor> | and with all the really nice delete/select program interface in mythtv, I'm thinking of something similar |
| 19:55 | <thor> | the tree will still exist, but would be moved down a level or two to Edit |
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| 19:55 | <thor> | In Select Music, you could have Genre, Album, Artist, Playlist etc. |
| 19:56 | <thor> | like All Programs etc in select recording to view |
| 19:56 | <thor> | consistent with rest of Myth |
| 19:56 | <thor> | thoughts? |
| 19:56 | <Chutt> | how's that going to work with a couple hundred albums? |
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| 19:57 | <thor> | Well, if you have a few hundred albums (21,000 tracks!), you'd probably spend most of your time with Playlist highlighted on the left |
| 19:58 | <thor> | Maybe, like the program finder (Artist --:> A ---> ACDC)? |
| 19:58 | <Chutt> | how do you select multiple albums by different artists? |
| 19:58 | <thor> | Playlist |
| 19:59 | <Chutt> | i don't like that |
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| 19:59 | <moegreen> | If it was like the prog finder you could map ENTER/SPACE to select whatever object it is over (so if you're in the middle column it would be the album, right column - a single song) |
| 20:00 | <moegreen> | though you might need 4 columns in that case |
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| 20:00 | <thor> | nice sliding interface? |
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| 20:01 | <moegreen> | yeah, or two big columns and as you select across it redraws what was in the right column to the left, and keeps your cursor in the right |
| 20:01 | <thor> | Maybe just convert the tree (with same functionality) to a more Select Recording like interface |
| 20:01 | <thor> | Something that stands a chance of passing the house-guest test |
| 20:01 | <thor> | :) |
| 20:02 | <moegreen> | Chutt: did you see nathans playback thing (not sure if it a mockup or not) http://www.ziarek.com/mythtv/testing.asp?image=1 |
| 20:03 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 20:03 | <Chutt> | it's basically the existing stuff just swapped left for right, right? |
| 20:04 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 20:04 | <moegreen> | yeah, I think it will be fine with the code, but it looks pretty cool |
| 20:04 | <Chutt> | well, have to make left/right keep going |
| 20:04 | <Chutt> | for focus to work properly |
| 20:04 | <Chutt> | but, yeah, it does |
| 20:04 | <Chutt> | kde set my keyboard repeat rate really low |
| 20:05 | <Chutt> | causing my repeated spaces |
| 20:05 | <thor> | xset? |
| 20:05 | <moegreen> | now just to do the setup for mythweather and I can commit |
| 20:05 | <Chutt> | yeah, i just reset it to something sane |
| 20:05 | <Chutt> | moegreen, conflicts next? =) |
| 20:06 | <moegreen> | yeah I'll do that next |
| 20:06 | <moegreen> | then I'm going for the guide |
| 20:06 | <Chutt> | cool. |
| 20:06 | <moegreen> | by the time i'm done with all these screens the uitypes and xmlparse file should be rather complete :) |
| 20:06 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 20:07 | <Chutt> | and by then i should have the pvr support in |
| 20:07 | <thor> | Then start working on a theme compiler |
| 20:07 | <Chutt> | and maybe that can be 0.9 =) |
| 20:07 | <moegreen> | thor: to put all the data into one file? |
| 20:08 | <thor> | Kidding ... interpreter ---> compiler |
| 20:08 | <moegreen> | heh |
| 20:08 | <Chutt> | hmm |
| 20:08 | <Chutt> | didn't notice how late it was =) |
| 20:09 | <moegreen> | <humor name="thor" joke="compiler"></humor> <- heh, a little XML humor for ya |
| 20:09 | <thor> | So Chutt ... before I wander into the morass of trying to create a "Select Recording"-like treeview object, are you dead set against it? |
| 20:09 | <Chutt> | kinda |
| 20:09 | <Chutt> | i would have to see it in action, but... |
| 20:09 | <Chutt> | i like the tree |
| 20:10 | <thor> | still a tree in functionality, just purtier |
| 20:10 | <thor> | let me try and slap something together and see if I can convince you (given that there is the slightest slimmer of a chance) |
| 20:10 | <Chutt> | ok |
| 20:10 | <Chutt> | sounds good |
| 20:11 | <Chutt> | i would like to be able to select multiple things without making playlists, though |
| 20:11 | <thor> | yup |
| 20:11 | <thor> | still checkboxes |
| 20:11 | <thor> | just left to right instead of branching |
| 20:12 | <moegreen> | when you select an artist or album in mythmusic, does it actually just select everything below it in the tree |
| 20:12 | <thor> | it does now |
| 20:12 | <thor> | in the tree |
| 20:13 | <moegreen> | right, so when you get the data from the tree as to what is selected - it is each song individually? |
| 20:13 | <thor> | the playback screen gets a flat list of metadata |
| 20:14 | <thor> | the select screen just turns on and off things and tells the metadata object the id's of leafnodes it turned on/off |
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| 20:37 | <Timon> | thor: I can't seem to track down wny with VisualMode set to random, when it cycles all you get is blank. |
| 20:39 | <Timon> | thor: In trying to debug this, I'm getting a floating point exception. So its going to take some more digging. |
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| 21:07 | <hurdel> | anybody here installed on RH9? |
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| 21:24 | <hurdel> | anybody awake here? |
| 21:25 | <inman> | yes, but no rh here. |
| 21:25 | <hurdel> | y not |
| 21:25 | <hurdel> | i'm trying to install myth on rh |
| 21:25 | <inman> | i understand. |
| 21:26 | <hurdel> | rpm's are good, but sometimes so dumb |
| 21:28 | <hurdel> | one depended on the other, which depended on the first |
| 21:28 | <hurdel> | worked when i finally installed 4 rpms at once, rather than one at a time, go figure |
| 21:28 | <inman> | if that's the case, issue a `rpm -i one two three` |
| 21:28 | <inman> | that's how rpm handles circular dependencies. |
| 21:30 | <thor> | Timon, you still here |
| 21:33 | <hurdel> | easy question here: how do I add to my $PATH varialbe, QT stuff is missing, just need the syntax to add to the path |
| 21:33 | <thor> | export PATH="$PATH:/new/path" |
| 21:34 | <thor> | in bash |
| 21:34 | <hurdel> | sweet, thanks, i knew it was close to that, didn't want to screw it up |
| 21:40 | <thor> | Timon, two problems with your patch: numVisualizers will return 1 if Random is set |
| 21:40 | <thor> | so cycleVisualizer() skips all the code |
| 21:41 | <thor> | and even it returned more than 1, you're checking for != Random |
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| 21:42 | <thor> | moegreen, you around |
| 21:46 | <moegreen> | thor: yeah |
| 21:47 | <thor> | if I wanted a fast lesson in how the new UI stuff works, should I look at Select Recordings or Delete Recordings (or does it matter) |
| 21:47 | <moegreen> | you might actually want to look at the program finder. though they are all pretty much the same idea |
| 21:48 | <thor> | ok |
| 21:48 | <thor> | thanks |
| 21:48 | <moegreen> | let me know if you have ?s or problems |
| 21:48 | <thor> | will do, thanks |
| 21:52 | <thor> | is there anywhere in particular I should put the font that comes with Iulius 3 ? |
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| 21:58 | <moegreen> | thor: I think just in the theme directory should work. |
| 22:00 | <thor> | website says "... directory and installed so it is available to Qt". I stuck in with some other ttf fonts and did a mkfontdir (X used to need that like 5 years ago, maybe it still does?) |
| 22:02 | <inman> | OT question: how can i make qmake call flex++ on lex sources? |
| 22:02 | <thor> | alias lex="flex++" ; qmake ?? |
| 22:03 | <thor> | =) |
| 22:03 | <thor> | ah, never mind |
| 22:16 | <Chutt> | inman, the LEXSOURCES stuff what you want? |
| 22:16 | <inman> | ah, yeah, i think so thanks :-) |
| 22:16 | <Chutt> | and i think you can change the binary it'll call by editing the qmake.conf file |
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| 22:22 | <inman> | something is wacky |
| 22:29 | <inman> | flex++ is generating a .cc and qmake is moving a .c to the target .cpp sourcefile. |
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| 22:40 | <thor> | Change default font size in new theme system ? |
| 22:48 | <thor> | same place is was before (theme.xml for those who are following along) |
| 22:56 | <hurdel> | i'm having trouble installing Tk-TableMatrix-1.01, get this error when trying to make. "Makefile:96: *** missing separator. Stop." |
| 23:17 | <mdz> | heh, I just posted to the mailing list in that thread about mythmusic startup time |
| 23:17 | <mdz> | mentioning that I thought there was a progress bar for that now |
| 23:17 | <mdz> | and 3 messages later was a commit message for a progress bar for that |
| 23:17 | <Chutt> | there wasn't a progress bar for it loading the dabta out of the d |
| 23:17 | <Chutt> | err, db |
| 23:17 | <Chutt> | and 'data' |
| 23:17 | <Chutt> | =) |
| 23:18 | <mdz> | but that's what you just added, yes? |
| 23:18 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 23:18 | <mdz> | before it was only when scanning the actual files? |
| 23:18 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 23:18 | <Chutt> | and since it doesn't scan files on startup anymore, no more progress bar |
| 23:18 | <mdz> | I should update my stuff sometime |
| 23:19 | <Chutt> | so the wintv pvr card's fairly nice, now that i've got a workaround to get decent audio |
| 23:19 | <mdz> | if the pathnames in musicmetadata were relative, I would have already :-P |
| 23:19 | <mdz> | what's the quality like for the bitrate? |
| 23:20 | <Chutt> | quality's great |
| 23:20 | <mdz> | seems like MPEG-2 can vary a lot |
| 23:20 | <mdz> | depending on the encoding process |
| 23:20 | <Chutt> | but the default bitrate's something like 8kbps |
| 23:20 | <mdz> | heh |
| 23:20 | <Chutt> | but cpu load is, of course, 0 |
| 23:20 | <Chutt> | they haven't implemented quality/resolution settings yet |
| 23:20 | <Chutt> | it's all hardcoded |
| 23:21 | <mdz> | did you see that guy's patch to fix the chanid sort? |
| 23:21 | <mdz> | where with favorites the column name is ambiguous |
| 23:21 | <Chutt> | who sent it? |
| 23:22 | <Chutt> | i think i missed that |
| 23:22 | <mdz> | Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 10:02:16 +0200 From: Leandro Dardini <ldardini@tiscali.it> |
| 23:22 | <mdz> | need a copy? |
| 23:23 | <Chutt> | i should have it |
| 23:23 | <mdz> | 2 line patch |
| 23:24 | <Chutt> | if anyone remembers patches i miss, lemme know please |
| 23:24 | <mdz> | dunno whether that's the right place to change it, though, or whether the value of channelorder should change |
| 23:24 | <Chutt> | that looks good to me, i think |
| 23:24 | <Chutt> | eh, doesn't matter |
| 23:24 | <Chutt> | want to go ahead and commit it? |
| 23:25 | <mdz> | sure |
| 23:25 | <Chutt> | and there was another tiny one that added some indices to the tables |
| 23:26 | <mdz> | there was a list of indices which were found to work well, but no patch |
| 23:26 | <mdz> | easy enough to add though |
| 23:26 | <Chutt> | same difference |
| 23:26 | <mdz> | I added those to my db; speeds up the conflicts screen quite a bit |
| 23:26 | <mdz> | I can dig up the message if you don't have it |
| 23:27 | <Chutt> | mind just going ahead and adding em? |
| 23:27 | <Chutt> | my tree isn't in a commitable state right now |
| 23:27 | <Chutt> | and i don't like doing partial commits |
| 23:27 | <mdz> | ok |
| 23:28 | <mdz> | CREATE INDEX progid ON record (chanid, starttime); |
| 23:28 | <mdz> | CREATE INDEX title ON record (title(10)); |
| 23:28 | <mdz> | CREATE INDEX title ON program(title(10)); |
| 23:28 | <mdz> | look good? |
| 23:28 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 23:28 | <mdz> | I don't think the name of the index is significant, but I don't use them much |
| 23:28 | <Chutt> | can you add it to mc.sql, cvs.sql, and a new 0-8-to-0-9.sql? =) |
| 23:29 | <mdz> | was going to ask about that |
| 23:29 | <mdz> | ok |
| 23:29 | <Chutt> | thanks |
| 23:30 | <Chutt> | have you noticed any memory leaks? |
| 23:30 | <Chutt> | (ie, recent post to the list) |
| 23:31 | <mdz> | I'm still running essentially 0.8 |
| 23:31 | <mdz> | and no, haven't noticed any |
| 23:31 | <mdz> | had a backend crash yesterday |
| 23:31 | <mdz> | after it stayed up for about 3 weeks |
| 23:34 | <mdz> | ok, those are committed |
| 23:34 | <Chutt> | thanks |
| 23:34 | <mdz> | had to check the syntax on mc.sql as I wasn't sure if I had it right |
| 23:34 | <mdz> | unfortunately I had coredumps disabled so I didn't get anything from that backend crash |
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| 23:35 | <mdz> | wasn't leaking memory that I could tell though |
| 23:35 | <Chutt> | just found a very minor leak (12 bytes) in the recorder class.. |
| 23:35 | <mdz> | the frontend was pretty huge at the time that the backend crashed |
| 23:35 | <mdz> | but I have no idea what kind of freaking out it did |
| 23:35 | <mdz> | would be nice if valgrind would work |
| 23:36 | <mdz> | didn't you or someone get it working at some point? |
| 23:36 | <Chutt> | i've had troubles with it |
| 23:36 | <Chutt> | moegreen has it working though |
| 23:36 | <Chutt> | it doesn't like the nvidia gl stuff |
| 23:37 | <mdz> | I'll start monitoring memory utilization on my myth box |
| 23:37 | <mdz> | see if it grows without bound |
| 23:39 | <Chutt> | some of the threads need to be created detached but aren't |
| 23:39 | <Chutt> | but that's not all that many resources |
| 23:40 | <mdz> | I don't see the post to the list about memory leaks |
| 23:40 | <mdz> | frontend or backend? |
| 23:40 | <Chutt> | oh, it's the users list |
| 23:40 | <mdz> | ah |
| 23:40 | <mdz> | I couldn't handle another list right now |
| 23:40 | <Chutt> | too much traffic |
| 23:43 | <froggy19> | i thought it was alter table <tablename> add index <fieldname/type> |
| 23:44 | <Chutt> | captain_murdoch, you need to create the flagcommercials thread detached |
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| 23:47 | <sc00p> | Chutt: how large are the mpeg2 files (e.g. for 30 minutes or so) |
| 23:47 | <Chutt> | at this default rate, a meg a second |
| 23:47 | <sc00p> | wow, ok |
| 23:47 | <Chutt> | the card's capable of a lot lower, of course |
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| 23:47 | <sc00p> | right |
| 23:47 | <Chutt> | the drivers just aren't there yet =) |
| 23:48 | <FryGuy> | does anyone know if a voodoo3 can be used? |
| 23:48 | <Chutt> | you could go in and change the hardcoded values, of course |
| 23:48 | <Chutt> | fryguy, not for input, no |
| 23:48 | <FryGuy> | for capture i mean |
| 23:48 | <FryGuy> | damn |
| 23:48 | <FryGuy> | well that rules out what I wanted to do |
| 23:48 | <Chutt> | the mailing list archives _are_ searchable, you know |
| 23:48 | <FryGuy> | i thought I searched for that already |
| 23:49 | <Chutt> | why do people insist on using ancient hardware for something that takes gobs of cpu? |
| 23:49 | <FryGuy> | because I *have* a voodoo3 already from when I upgraded |
| 23:49 | <Chutt> | so? |
| 23:50 | <Chutt> | i've got a lot of old hardware sitting around, doesn't make it useful |
| 23:50 | <FryGuy> | the main reason I'd be doing this instead of actually getting a tivo is so that I can save money |
| 23:50 | <Chutt> | ah, so you're cheap |
| 23:50 | <Chutt> | ok |
| 23:51 | <Chutt> | inman, why are you advocating something that'll slow the db down? :p |
| 23:51 | <inman> | it won't. |
| 23:51 | <Chutt> | sure it will |
| 23:51 | <inman> | why do you say that? |
| 23:51 | <FryGuy> | slow it down for insert/updates/deletes |
| 23:51 | <FryGuy> | speed up for selects |
| 23:51 | <Chutt> | looking for a column pair instead of a single id? |
| 23:51 | <inman> | they will be a unique pair. |
| 23:52 | <Chutt> | so? |
| 23:52 | <Chutt> | it's still more work |
| 23:52 | <inman> | i can virtually guarantee that you will see no measurable difference in speed. |
| 23:52 | <FryGuy> | and I didn't see anything in the mailing list for voodoo3 tv-in |
| 23:52 | <inman> | it really isn't, not unless you have gobs (and i mean GOBS) of input sources. |
| 23:52 | <Chutt> | fryguy, if i can find it, you owe me $10 |
| 23:52 | <Chutt> | deal? |
| 23:53 | <inman> | this whole mythmodule thing is getting out of control. |
| 23:53 | <FryGuy> | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/perl/mailarc/gforum.cgi?guest=330559&t=search_engine&do=search_results&search_forum=all&search_string=voodoo3&search_type=AND&search_fields=sb&search_time=&search_user_username=&mh=25 |
| 23:53 | <FryGuy> | perhaps I didn't search right? |
| 23:55 | <Chutt> | search for voodoo 3500 |
| 23:55 | <Chutt> | i believe |
| 23:57 | <FryGuy> | hm. so there's no linux drivers for the card then? |
| 23:57 | <Chutt> | anyway, the drivers for the capture bits don't even come close to doing v4l =) |
| 23:57 | <FryGuy> | *sigh* |
| 23:58 | <Chutt> | they've got a bunch of the major ioctls disabled, etc |
