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| 00:46 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 00:46 | <Chutt> | thor, nice synchronized checkins there |
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| 00:50 | <mdz> | Chutt: is it already fixed in CVS, where if a recording ends while being watched, it seems to lose the seek table? |
| 00:51 | <mdz> | recording starts -> start watching (seeks are fast) -> recording ends (OSD shows 00:00 and seeks are slow) |
| 00:51 | <Chutt> | hrm |
| 00:51 | <Chutt> | i dunno |
| 00:51 | <Chutt> | i don't think it is |
| 00:51 | <Chutt> | reason being, it gets the seek table from the encoder while it's recording |
| 00:51 | <Chutt> | then doesn't know what to do after that |
| 00:56 | <mdz> | how does it work with normal playback? load the whole seek table at the beginning? |
| 00:56 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 00:56 | <mdz> | hmm |
| 00:56 | <mdz> | maybe send a message when the recording ends |
| 00:57 | <Chutt> | it'd have to store the seektable offset somewhere |
| 00:57 | <Chutt> | and then pause, seek to it, load it, seek back |
| 00:57 | <mdz> | won't it have the seek table in memory when it's finished? |
| 00:58 | <Chutt> | it doesn't get the bits that it hasn't seen yet |
| 00:58 | <Chutt> | from the backend |
| 00:58 | <mdz> | I mean the backend will have the seek table |
| 00:58 | <Chutt> | ahh |
| 00:58 | <Chutt> | a message with that, gotcha |
| 00:58 | <mdz> | or a message saying "I'm done, ask me for the complete seek table" |
| 00:58 | <Chutt> | there's already a message saying it's done |
| 00:59 | <mdz> | the way it works now, does it ask the backend for a particular offset each time it seeks, or does it get the partial seek table? |
| 00:59 | <Chutt> | i believe it asks for each offset that it doesn't know where it is |
| 00:59 | <Chutt> | up to where it's seeking to, if going forward |
| 01:00 | <Captain_Murdoch> | when the recording ends, the player could ask where the seektable is stored, then just not seek and load it until the user tries to seek again. |
| 01:00 | <mdz> | where does that happen? nvp or tv? |
| 01:00 | <Chutt> | nuppeldecoder.cpp |
| 01:00 | <Chutt> | DoFastForward() |
| 01:02 | <Chutt> | probably be more efficient to ask the backend for a range of offsets |
| 01:02 | <mdz> | so it gets it one at a time by asking whenever it doesn't have an offset it needs? |
| 01:02 | <mdz> | from GetKeyframePosition? |
| 01:02 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: what do you think of showing the actual show infos when pressing 'i' in recording playback? |
| 01:02 | <Chutt> | petecool, that'd be fine |
| 01:03 | <mdz> | ah, I see the encoderlink bits for GetKeyframePosition now |
| 01:04 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: hmm, I said it wrong, I haven't actually coded it (actually it was more of a feature request)... but it should be pretty simple, I'll look into it |
| 01:04 | <Chutt> | i realized that, but i figured i'd treat it as a 'i'd like to do it' request =) |
| 01:04 | <mdz> | is there any information in the "done recording" message like the length of the recording? it would need that in order to fetch the seek table if it were going to do that |
| 01:05 | <Chutt> | mdz, the length is in the message |
| 01:05 | <Chutt> | hrm |
| 01:05 | <Chutt> | only in seconds, though |
| 01:05 | <Chutt> | that could be translated to just bare frames easily |
| 01:05 | <mdz> | or do you think a separate "give me the whole seek table" message would be better? |
| 01:06 | <Chutt> | it _may_ make sense to have the encoder store the seektable in the db |
| 01:06 | <mdz> | hmmm |
| 01:06 | <Chutt> | with the rest of the frame information (blank frame list, cutlist, etc) |
| 01:06 | <Chutt> | then the frontend can just resync with that, easily |
| 01:06 | <mdz> | and in the stream as well, or take it out of there? |
| 01:06 | <Chutt> | well, i'm thinking about the mpg stuff |
| 01:06 | <Chutt> | no seek table in the stream, i can't futz with the stream format... |
| 01:07 | <mdz> | ahh |
| 01:07 | <mdz> | but you don't really need a seek table with a system stream, no? |
| 01:07 | <mdz> | aren't they basically cbr? |
| 01:07 | <Chutt> | this can do vbr |
| 01:07 | <Chutt> | as well |
| 01:07 | <Chutt> | i think, at least |
| 01:07 | <Chutt> | i dunno :( |
| 01:07 | <Chutt> | i haven't done seeking yet, but see my last commit message =) |
| 01:08 | <mdz> | I didn't think system streams had timestamps etc. |
| 01:08 | <mdz> | so there would be no way to synch if it were variable |
| 01:08 | <Chutt> | they've got pts values |
| 01:08 | <Chutt> | timestamps |
| 01:08 | <Chutt> | at least it seems that way |
| 01:09 | <mdz> | oh |
| 01:09 | <mdz> | that commit didn't affect as many files as I would have thought |
| 01:10 | <Chutt> | just a bugfix for the mpeg decoder in libavcodec |
| 01:10 | <Chutt> | v4l2 support in channel.cpp |
| 01:10 | <Chutt> | and using the cardtype field that's already in the capturecard db =) |
| 01:11 | <Chutt> | i'm just read()ing from the /dev/video device and dumping it in the ringbuffer for now, though |
| 01:11 | <Chutt> | i need to implement a frame counter |
| 01:11 | <mdz> | rkulagow: any reason you didn't use PathSetting for the mythmusic stuff? it alreay has some convenient things like requiring that the path exist in order to be a valid selection |
| 01:11 | <Chutt> | mdz, this was before that existed |
| 01:12 | <Chutt> | he sent that patch in right before 0.8 =) |
| 01:12 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: to myth are v4l1 and v4l2 devices the same? |
| 01:12 | <Chutt> | it only does v4l1 capture, right now |
| 01:12 | <Chutt> | it'll use v4l2 for changing channels, but that's really just using different ioctl names |
| 01:20 | <Captain_Murdoch> | has anybody noticed the playback screen doesn't autorefresh until you hit a key if it loses focus |
| 01:22 | <Chutt> | hadn't noticed that, no |
| 01:25 | <Captain_Murdoch> | if I run myth on my dev box (screen at 1280xsomething) with myth at 800x600 and switch to a different virt screen to see xchat, when I switch back to the myth virtual screen it doesn't refresh. I have to hit up/down or something to get it to refresh. just curious if anyone else was seeing that. |
| 01:26 | <Captain_Murdoch> | only seems to be the playbackbox |
| 01:27 | <Chutt> | i'll fix.. |
| 01:27 | <Captain_Murdoch> | seems to need a valid key, for example hitting '5' doesn't cause it to refresh. |
| 01:28 | <Captain_Murdoch> | ok. so I guess you can reproduce it. |
| 01:35 | <Chutt> | does the same thing happen in the program finder? |
| 01:35 | <Captain_Murdoch> | hold a sec, I'll check. |
| 01:36 | <Captain_Murdoch> | no it seems to refresh properly |
| 01:36 | <Captain_Murdoch> | cvs should be recent as of an hour or so ago. |
| 01:36 | <Chutt> | ok |
| 01:36 | <Chutt> | i'll have a fix in shortly |
| 01:37 | <Captain_Murdoch> | can you tell me again what the instance is where you said teardownrecorder would not get called? I'm made a note and am looking in tv_rec.cpp but I'm missing it. |
| 01:37 | <Chutt> | recording -> livetv |
| 01:37 | <Captain_Murdoch> | ok. thanks. |
| 01:38 | <Captain_Murdoch> | does that transition mean the recording stops or just that the user catches up to live tv? |
| 01:38 | <Captain_Murdoch> | stops as in doesn't get saved. |
| 01:38 | <Chutt> | it means that it's stopped recording the show, and it's going back to live tv mode |
| 01:39 | <Chutt> | it'll only get there if it was in live-tv mode when the recording started |
| 01:39 | <Captain_Murdoch> | ok, so I don't need to do the commercial stuff in that case anyway since they aren't recording the show to keep. |
| 01:39 | <Chutt> | no |
| 01:39 | <Chutt> | they're keeping it.. |
| 01:41 | <Captain_Murdoch> | ok, I need to look at the code more, I'm not following it. thanks for the clarification. |
| 01:41 | <Chutt> | they're watching tv |
| 01:41 | <Chutt> | up pops a box, asks if it can record something |
| 01:41 | <Chutt> | they say sure, and i'll watch along with the recording |
| 01:41 | <Chutt> | when it's done recording, it goes back to live tv mode |
| 01:42 | <Captain_Murdoch> | ohhhh, ok.. :) I was picturing they were watching what they wanted to record then they said "hey I don't want to record this actually". |
| 01:42 | <Captain_Murdoch> | I'm following it now. |
| 01:42 | <Captain_Murdoch> | I rarely ever use livetv mode so I wasn't thinking of that case. |
| 01:42 | <Chutt> | i rarely ever use the livetv->recording stuff |
| 01:44 | <Captain_Murdoch> | I'm already reaching for the remote to hit FFWD or Comm Skip when I'm watching real live tv (outside of myth). :) my wife is loving it, just need to get a better video card in her compute so she can watch shows on her computer (no Xv support and it's not fast enough to do software scaling) |
| 01:49 | <Captain_Murdoch> | tiem for bed now and leave my computer reflagging all my recorded programs using the latest commercial detection routines. |
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| 02:46 | <Captain_Murdoch> | Chutt, you still up? |
| 02:48 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 02:48 | <Chutt> | i broke deleting, btw =) |
| 02:48 | <Chutt> | which is why i'm still up |
| 02:49 | <Captain_Murdoch> | I got coding on the brain which is why I'm still up. :) |
| 02:50 | <Captain_Murdoch> | question about the non-Xv mode. Do you think it's a good idea if frames were skipped in XJ.cpp if the user is in non-Xv mode in order to keep the audio and video in sync. |
| 02:51 | <Captain_Murdoch> | this is just mainly for testing but skipping frames allows it to run full-speed just with a little jerky video, but the A/V is in sync. |
| 02:51 | <mdz> | Chutt: pathsetting has been there since December |
| 02:52 | <Chutt> | mdz, ah |
| 02:52 | <mdz> | it was used for the sound device |
| 02:52 | <Chutt> | captain_murdoch, sure |
| 02:53 | <Captain_Murdoch> | ok. I'm testing something which sees how many frames are processed in 4 seconds, then uses that to determine how many fps can be displayed. then it just does a mod on the frame number to see whether it should skip or not. |
| 02:54 | <Captain_Murdoch> | this is just 15 lines or so in XJ.cpp in the non-Xv section of Show(). It also displays a warning message saying that the computer is not fast enough to display at the full frame rate and that frames are being skipped to keep A/V in sync. |
| 02:54 | <Chutt> | that's fine |
| 02:55 | <Captain_Murdoch> | wasn't sure if you were keen on doing things like that. I use the non-Xv mode mainly for development, but some people with fast cpus could use it on displays without Xv support. |
| 02:56 | <Chutt> | there, deleting is fixed |
| 02:56 | <Chutt> | and another random bug, too |
| 02:56 | <Chutt> | two random bugs, even |
| 02:56 | <Chutt> | forgot one in the commit message =) |
| 02:56 | <Chutt> | ah well |
| 02:57 | <gora> | i'm at the part of the mythtv when i have to "cd setup" and run setup. what setup? in /usr/share/mythtv/setup ? |
| 02:58 | <Chutt> | from the directory you compiled it from |
| 02:58 | <Captain_Murdoch> | gora, did you compile from source? |
| 02:58 | <Chutt> | there's a setup/ directory. |
| 02:58 | <gora> | Captain_Murdoch: gentoo package setup |
| 02:58 | <Chutt> | read the package specific docs that came with it, then |
| 03:00 | <gora> | i dont see a setup directory |
| 03:00 | <gora> | only a setup file |
| 03:00 | <Captain_Murdoch> | docs may be in /usr/docs/mythtv or something |
| 03:01 | <gora> | i am reading the readme file right now |
| 03:01 | <gora> | i get this when running setup |
| 03:01 | <gora> | tribeca mythtv # ./setup |
| 03:01 | <gora> | QSqlDatabase warning: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded |
| 03:01 | <gora> | QSqlDatabase: available drivers: |
| 03:01 | <gora> | couldn't open db |
| 03:02 | <Chutt> | congrats, you ignored the docs completely |
| 03:02 | <gora> | i didnt. i installed the mythtv sql file |
| 03:02 | <Chutt> | you didn't build qt with mysql support. |
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| 03:04 | <gora> | i have to re-emerge qt with mysql support? |
| 03:04 | <Chutt> | well, you should've done it the first time |
| 03:04 | <Chutt> | but yes |
| 03:04 | <Chutt> | aren't crappy distributions where you have to compile huge time consuming packages yourself just grand? |
| 03:05 | <gora> | Chutt: can the sarcasm, i get it. i just need to re-emerge qt with mysql support. |
| 03:06 | <Chutt> | oooh |
| 03:06 | <Chutt> | ah well |
| 03:06 | * Captain_Murdoch | thinks don't ask developers coding at ~3am questions that are answered in the docs |
| 03:14 | <Chutt> | hrm |
| 03:14 | <Chutt> | i should put an update on the website tomorrow or something |
| 03:15 | <Captain_Murdoch> | about your recent mods to cvs? |
| 03:15 | <Chutt> | and moegreen's |
| 03:15 | <Chutt> | since he's got lots of pictures and stuff |
| 03:16 | <bigguy> | hmm |
| 03:16 | <Captain_Murdoch> | yeah, his new stuff is looking great. |
| 03:17 | <bigguy> | I'll be glad when this class and testing is over |
| 03:17 | <Chutt> | anyway, 'night =) |
| 03:17 | <bigguy> | Give me time to put together my myth box |
| 03:17 | <bigguy> | later Chutt |
| 03:17 | <Captain_Murdoch> | g'night/morning |
| 03:18 | <bigguy> | I'm gonna wait a couple more hours before I go to sleep |
| 03:19 | <bigguy> | gotta work a 12 hour graveyard shift on the ambulance tonight |
| 03:19 | <bigguy> | I'll probably go to bed about 5am |
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| 03:31 | <bigguy> | oh well I'm gonna go read some |
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| 04:06 | <FryGuy> | somebody should compile a list of video card tuner/tv-out and show pros/cons/prices of them all. |
| 04:07 | <FryGuy> | i think i should |
| 04:07 | <FryGuy> | but I don't know anything first hand |
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| 09:11 | <gora> | what do i use for my audio device when running setup with mythtv? i'm using alsa and /dev/dsp does not exist |
| 09:12 | <gora> | nevermind, got it |
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| 09:19 | <gora> | where does one find the 'mythbackend' executable? seems mine is nonexistant |
| 09:28 | <Tack> | It's typically in /usr/local/bin |
| 09:28 | <Tack> | If you compiled from source, that is. I've not used the packages so they could put them in different places (but probably /usr/bin) |
| 09:33 | <gora> | Tack: hmm. i'm using gentoo and following the instructions very carefully. i'm recompiling and installing mythtv right now to make sure i didnt miss anything |
| 09:33 | <gora> | Tack: i also get a seg fault after adding the channels. should i be concerned about this? |
| 09:34 | <Tack> | Is this 0.8? |
| 09:34 | <gora> | where can i find out? mythtv -v doesnt work |
| 09:35 | <gora> | 0.7 |
| 09:35 | <gora> | i assume i should get 0.8 |
| 09:36 | <Tack> | Yes. :) |
| 09:36 | <Tack> | Or CVS if you're brave enough. |
| 09:36 | <Tack> | I find CVS has more stability problems than 0.8, to be expected, but the author is very good at responding to bug reports. |
| 09:37 | <gora> | got cha. maybe i'll make a note to the person who maintains the gentoo portage file about the version inconsistency |
| 09:38 | <Tack> | I wish CVS had a ChangeLog though. :) |
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| 10:09 | <gora> | Tack: i'm in setup and it doesnt seem to be saving my video configuration. |
| 10:09 | <Tack> | Are you clicking next all the way to the end and then Finish? |
| 10:09 | <Tack> | If you hit escape I don't thikn it will save. |
| 10:09 | <gora> | there is no next in the capture card configuration screen |
| 10:10 | <Tack> | Let's see ... |
| 10:10 | <gora> | i do get this error also when i exit the setup progam: QMYSQL3: Unable to execute query |
| 10:10 | <Tack3> | Well there you go. :) |
| 10:11 | <Tack3> | Are you running mysql on the same sysem? |
| 10:11 | <Tack3> | Make sure the server is running. |
| 10:13 | <gora> | there we go, fixed it ;) |
| 10:13 | <gora> | i had run the mysql stuff with 0.7 and had to run the 0.7 -> 0.8 update sql stuff |
| 10:14 | * Tack3 | nods. |
| 10:14 | <Ndiin> | Tack: erm, cvs has the ultimate changelog.. thats what CVS *is* |
| 10:15 | <Tack3> | Ndiin: Oh, you're right, I haven't actually bothered checking that. Well that's assuming the people who check in add messages. |
| 10:15 | <Ndiin> | They do. |
| 10:15 | <Ndiin> | It'd be beyond stupid if no one used commit messages in cvs =) |
| 10:16 | <Ndiin> | Not to mention you can view the code changes that go along with those messages, as well |
| 10:16 | * Tack3 | nods. Doing that now. :) |
| 10:17 | <gora> | if i get this working i'm going to have a need to find another spare box to run this on |
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| 11:02 | <thor> | Aw Chutt, you beat me to it |
| 11:05 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 11:05 | <Chutt> | sorry |
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| 11:44 | <Chutt> | thor, that mythmusic segfault looks easy to "fix" |
| 11:44 | <Chutt> | but i can't see why it'd do that |
| 11:46 | <Chutt> | hrm |
| 11:46 | <Chutt> | odd |
| 11:47 | <Chutt> | weird that dynamic_cast<> would allow casting a null |
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| 11:54 | <thor> | Ah, you fixed it |
| 11:54 | <Chutt> | yeah, but that doesn't explain why dynamic_cast would work on a null |
| 11:54 | <thor> | where? |
| 11:54 | <Chutt> | maybe he's using some old broken g++ where dynamic_cast is just a no-op |
| 11:54 | <thor> | Oh no, you fixed it in a different place |
| 11:55 | <Chutt> | i just fixed it in the checkParent() function |
| 11:55 | <thor> | fundamental problem is having a zero on the playlist, which is better fixed elsewhere |
| 11:55 | <thor> | hang on |
| 11:56 | <Chutt> | right =) |
| 12:01 | <thor> | There |
| 12:01 | <Chutt> | were my changes the other day to deal with stuff disappearing from the db/filesystem ok? |
| 12:02 | <thor> | Didn't even notice ... |
| 12:02 | <Chutt> | heh |
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| 12:06 | <Chutt> | there, i think i have a better fix to the delete popup disappearing |
| 12:07 | <thor> | I've never seen it disappear, what's the problem? |
| 12:08 | <Chutt> | click on another window with the mouse |
| 12:08 | <Chutt> | or the background of the parent window |
| 12:08 | <thor> | with a pointer you can't see |
| 12:08 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 12:08 | <thor> | timer--> raise |
| 12:08 | <Chutt> | nope |
| 12:09 | <thor> | event --> raise |
| 12:09 | <Chutt> | nope =) |
| 12:09 | <Chutt> | just ignore the close() event it sends |
| 12:10 | <thor> | not screen shot, then make a full screen window that looks like it's a popup but where the margins are actually an unclickable pixmap? |
| 12:10 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 12:10 | <Chutt> | well |
| 12:11 | <Chutt> | when i'm doing dev stuff |
| 12:11 | <Chutt> | i run my desktop at 1280x960, but i run mythtv at 800x600 |
| 12:11 | <thor> | speaking of window/screen sizes ... |
| 12:12 | <thor> | the theme stuff is slightly muddles at 640x480 ... there's some hmult wmult imperfections somewhere ... haven't tracked it down yet |
| 12:12 | <Chutt> | in the new playback box stuff? |
| 12:12 | <thor> | yeah, I think it may have to do with font scaling |
| 12:13 | <Chutt> | hmm |
| 12:13 | <Chutt> | it looks ok here |
| 12:13 | <thor> | iulius 3, for example, runs nice on 800x600 on my development box, but with same files at 640x480 the text of the buttons do not line up inside the button pngs |
| 12:14 | <thor> | it may be just iulius 3 |
| 12:14 | <thor> | or I may not have done something correctly (font install?) |
| 12:15 | <thor> | sorry, this is in themed menus |
| 12:15 | <Chutt> | probably is the font |
| 12:15 | <thor> | not a big deal in any case |
| 12:16 | <Chutt> | i'm not too terribly worried about other themes right now =) |
| 12:16 | <Chutt> | since that stuff's still changing pretty rapidly |
| 12:17 | <thor> | yup ... mythmusic too soon |
| 12:17 | <Chutt> | cool. |
| 12:17 | <thor> | well, playback at least |
| 12:17 | <Chutt> | playback should be easiest, yeah =) |
| 12:17 | <thor> | editing is still a swirl of questions, uncertainties, and confusion |
| 12:18 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 12:27 | <nziarek> | how do I remove a recording from the database? I tried to delete this one recording, and it got rid of the file, but not the entry, so it always shows up. i keep trying to delete it through Myth, but it won't go away |
| 12:27 | <Chutt> | ah-ha |
| 12:28 | <Chutt> | he's been generating those backtraces with core files |
| 12:28 | <Chutt> | no wonder they didn't make any sense |
| 12:45 | <_shad> | Heh. Mythweather's last update was at 10am, and it's "Fair" out, and the pictures is of stars :) |
| 12:45 | <nziarek> | yeah, i need to come up with a better morning fiar icon :-) that happened to me yesterday, too |
| 12:46 | <_shad> | hehe |
| 12:46 | <_shad> | My stupid ferret moved her bed right in front of the door, so I can't leave without waking her. grr |
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| 14:03 | <Ndiin> | hmm, the Scan music progress dialog no longer shows any percentages btw, it stays at 0% |
| 14:10 | <thor> | current cvs? |
| 14:13 | <thor> | works here? |
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| 15:42 | <PeteCool> | nziarek: I just put in the fonts for iulius3 (qt wasn't picking them up before) |
| 15:43 | <PeteCool> | nziarek: something weird about the osd: when changing volume, it writes: Adjust Volume Volume x% |
| 15:43 | <PeteCool> | Writing volume once would be enough :) |
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| 16:38 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: I still see the delete popup disappearing |
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| 17:33 | <trainne> | does mythtv work with macosx? |
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| 17:36 | <PeteCool> | trainne: there was some talk about using the remote recordings player on macosx |
| 17:36 | <PeteCool> | trainne: but it's not possible to run the recorder on macosx |
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| 18:05 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: hmm, the seeking while paused thing was in mythmusic? |
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| 18:09 | <Chutt> | no, that was in mythtv |
| 18:11 | <inman> | quickie: is the location of keys.txt mentioned in the faq? |
| 18:11 | <Chutt> | it's in the docs |
| 18:11 | <inman> | figures. |
| 18:11 | <Chutt> | hrm |
| 18:11 | <Chutt> | maybe it's not |
| 18:11 | <Chutt> | thought it used to be |
| 18:12 | <inman> | i'll check. |
| 18:12 | <Chutt> | it's definately in the README, though |
| 18:12 | <Chutt> | thor, is there any reason i shouldn't make the mythlcd bin build by default? |
| 18:13 | <Chutt> | it'd stop me from forgetting to fix it when i do an api change |
| 18:13 | <inman> | it's not in the faq, per se. |
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| 18:15 | <inman> | maybe troubleshooting/misc can be merged with the faq or vice-versa? |
| 18:15 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: I don't see any changes in recordings playback (which is what I want) ... I somehow understood it would affect it... |
| 18:15 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: that's why I wanted it to stay the same ;) |
| 18:18 | <Chutt> | inman, 'slong as i don't have to do work to maintain it, i don't care =) |
| 18:18 | <Chutt> | petecool, i fixed it without changing behavior |
| 18:19 | <Chutt> | mainly because of you :p |
| 18:19 | <inman> | just curious if you thought it was a good idea. |
| 18:19 | <Chutt> | inman, i dunno |
| 18:19 | <Chutt> | i don't know if people read the faq at all or not |
| 18:19 | <Chutt> | or if more people use the docs for that |
| 18:19 | <Chutt> | there does seem to be overlap |
| 18:19 | <Chutt> | and it would make sense for there to only be one set of troubleshooting stuff |
| 18:31 | <TheAsp> | uh, did the comercial checking after recording go away or something? |
| 18:31 | <trainne> | okay I got mythtv to compile on macosx |
| 18:32 | <trainne> | I even got it to launch in apples x11 |
| 18:32 | <trainne> | but it seg faults |
| 18:54 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: thanks a lot then :) |
| 18:56 | <PeteCool> | In the downloads page description of mythtv, I would add a link to the docs in the likes of: You MUST read <link to docs>this</link> COMPLETELY to make MythTV work correctly!" (caps optional) |
| 18:56 | <PeteCool> | would make some of the newbies read the docs |
| 18:58 | <PeteCool> | The docs link isn't easy enough to see, if the user is looking quickly he won't see it... if it's in bold||caps||color just below the download like the chance of seeing it is bigger |
| 18:59 | <PeteCool> | Those QMYSQL3 posters really are pissing me off (since it's so easy to fix and so documented), I can't imagine what Chutt wants to do to them |
| 19:02 | <Tack> | Does MythTV plan to some day be geared toward non-hackers? |
| 19:03 | <Chutt> | what, be easy to install? |
| 19:03 | <Chutt> | there's debs and rpms that work. |
| 19:03 | <Chutt> | if you choose to use some wackyass distro, that's your fault |
| 19:04 | <Tack> | Do the rpms/debs also setup mysql with the appropriate tables? |
| 19:04 | <PeteCool> | besides, it couldn't be more automated without distro-maker's intervention |
| 19:04 | <Chutt> | tack, yes |
| 19:05 | <Tack> | It'd be convenient for mythtv to be installable by yum. "yum install mythtv" I might package that up for 0.9 |
| 19:08 | <Tack> | I guess there so many dependencies, like setting up XFree for tvout, or setting up lirc to work with your remotes, there's not much Myth can do to ease the configuration for newbies. |
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| 19:12 | <Tack> | Hrm, I like the Playback from Iulius.3 better than Iulius.4. Alas. |
| 19:16 | <PeteCool> | Tack: yeah, I think that too |
| 19:17 | <PeteCool> | Tack: I think it's because it's reversing the parent->child position |
| 19:18 | <Tack> | Yes, there's that, but also I like the nice curved borders and the general design from Iulius.3 |
| 19:23 | <PeteCool> | Tack: does nziarek know that? |
| 19:24 | <Tack> | I haven't told him, no. |
| 19:24 | <Tack> | But it's his projecvt, so I assume he'll do whatever he likes best. |
| 19:25 | <PeteCool> | Tack: he does care about user input most of the time... only users know best what users like ;) |
| 19:25 | <Tack> | At least, that's what I'd do, and if someone didn't like my work, they'd be free to modify my code. :) |
| 19:25 | <Tack> | I shall mention it to him then. :) |
| 19:25 | <PeteCool> | as long as the input makes sense, obviously |
| 19:26 | <Tack> | Well, it comes down to personal aesthetic preference. Something that subjective rarely makes any sense. :) |
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| 19:40 | <Chutt> | i actually like the .4 (mockup?) better |
| 19:40 | <Chutt> | looks cleaner |
| 19:41 | <Chutt> | well, i don't like the font, but =) |
| 19:41 | <Tack> | If your opinion is different than mine, that only proves that you're wrong. :) |
| 19:42 | <Tack> | It's cleaner, true, but the .3 one has much cooler, futuristic looking curves. Curves are good. (Until they become passe.) |
| 19:45 | <Tack> | I like the feeling of layers on the .3 version. In the back, the program groups (names, whichever). Above that, the list of titles for that show. And above that, the selected title. Also, left-to-right, as PeteCool pointed out, makes the hierarchy more clear. |
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| 19:53 | <PeteCool> | I like the curves a bit more too |
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| 20:09 | <nziarek> | bah. curves =) |
| 20:09 | <nziarek> | i will look into all of this nonsense, maybe a iulius classic :) |
| 20:09 | * Tack | bounces and applauds. :) |
| 20:09 | <PeteCool> | hehe |
| 20:10 | <nziarek> | my goal right now is to clean the UI a little - i am still working on some things, likeplacing the shows on the left and such |
| 20:10 | <nziarek> | so, let's see what it ends like :) |
| 20:10 | <nziarek> | not that it'll ever end. I like putzing |
| 20:10 | <Tack> | That's good, because we like change. :) |
| 20:11 | <PeteCool> | nziarek: don't forget to look at the delete screen before uploading ;) |
| 20:11 | <nziarek> | PeteCool: i assumed most of the code just copied over...i was wrong, and never looked at it. i have now, but it is still ugly |
| 20:11 | <nziarek> | have to think it through seperately than the watch screen |
| 20:13 | <nziarek> | oh, and Tack - love the suggestions and comments, much more useful than "I like it" and even if I disagree, i do consider ideas |
| 20:14 | <Tack> | nziarek: Great. Nice to see there are still people that listen. :) |
| 20:14 | <PeteCool> | nziarek: simply move the recording text rigth by a few tens of pixels and it'll be as good as the other one |
| 20:14 | <PeteCool> | the other one = playback |
| 20:14 | <PeteCool> | but, anyways |
| 20:14 | <PeteCool> | you're free to try anything, we'll be there with constructive comments |
| 20:14 | <nziarek> | and try i will =) |
| 20:15 | <PeteCool> | how's .4 coming along? |
| 20:15 | <nziarek> | its coming...becasue the code only lets you hit right to go to the shows and left to the show titles, it is a little funky |
| 20:16 | <nziarek> | i thinking about just switching them around (like it is now) and seeing how I like it. |
| 20:16 | <nziarek> | plus, with it cleaned up, the OSD doesn't look right :) |
| 20:16 | <Tack> | I think that'd be fine. |
| 20:16 | <PeteCool> | still the same font as .3 ? |
| 20:16 | <PeteCool> | I like those |
| 20:16 | * Tack | really likes the OSD. :) |
| 20:17 | <nziarek> | PeteCool is .3 Sf G...something or other? i think so |
| 20:17 | <PeteCool> | nziarek: yep |
| 20:17 | <nziarek> | then it is the same |
| 20:17 | <PeteCool> | nziarek: did you see my message about the volume change text on the osd? |
| 20:17 | <thor> | Chutt asked: thor, is there any reason i shouldn't make the mythlcd bin build by default? |
| 20:17 | <nziarek> | yeah, i hvena't looked at that yet, though. do that in a bit |
| 20:17 | <thor> | nope |
| 20:18 | <PeteCool> | nziarek: another thing which could be cool, is the channel icon |
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| 20:19 | <Chutt> | thor, i'll do that then, thanks |
| 20:19 | <PeteCool> | nziarek: I like how moegreen placed it with blueosd |
| 20:19 | <nziarek> | PeteCool: you know, I want to, they are just so low quality and with white backgrounds and all |
| 20:19 | <nziarek> | i did see that and it was nice |
| 20:20 | <nziarek> | PeteCool: i just checked my volume, and it looks fine, what does yours do? |
| 20:20 | <nziarek> | maybe i am misunderstading |
| 20:20 | <Chutt> | nziarek, current cvs is slightly different with what it sends as text for the volume changes |
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| 20:21 | <nziarek> | Chutt: ok, is it stable enough to upgrade to? |
| 20:21 | <Chutt> | should be |
| 20:22 | <PeteCool> | nziarek: it looks a little like this: <bigfont>Adjust Volume</bigfont><smallerfont>olume: 25%</smallerfont> |
| 20:22 | <PeteCool> | nziarek: the smaller volume is a bit under the firs |
| 20:22 | <PeteCool> | the first |
| 20:24 | <PeteCool> | nziarek: 'Volume' is written twice, which is weird and a bit redundant |
| 20:24 | <nziarek> | PeteCool: upgrading now to see that; i'll get it fixed |
| 20:25 | <PeteCool> | nziarek: 'Adjust volume: 25%' would be alright |
| 20:25 | <PeteCool> | nziarek: k, great |
| 20:25 | <Tack> | When watching live tv, is there a way to figure out your position in the ring buffer (if you've rewound say, and want to see how many seconds away from live you are), how do you do that without pausing? |
| 20:25 | <nziarek> | i did this: make distclean; cvs update; make |
| 20:25 | <nziarek> | and i get this error: Makefile:3: *** missing separator. Stop. |
| 20:25 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 20:25 | <nziarek> | am i dumb? |
| 20:26 | <Chutt> | try a make distclean |
| 20:26 | <Chutt> | tack, no |
| 20:26 | <PeteCool> | nziarek: about the channel icons: maybe we could code assuming the user converted them to senseful transparent png's... though that might require some code, I dunno |
| 20:26 | <Tack> | Chutt: Okay. Feature request. :) |
| 20:26 | <Chutt> | tack, i have a tendency to ignore feature requests |
| 20:26 | <Chutt> | unless they come with patches attached |
| 20:26 | <Tack> | Heheh. |
| 20:26 | <nziarek> | Chutt: same error |
| 20:27 | <PeteCool> | nziarek: delete the file and cvs update |
| 20:27 | <nziarek> | k |
| 20:27 | <Chutt> | which makefile? |
| 20:27 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: usually the MC makefile, sometimes it's corrupted somehow |
| 20:27 | <Chutt> | really? |
| 20:27 | <Chutt> | weird |
| 20:27 | <nziarek> | Chutt: yes the MC one |
| 20:28 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: the fix is simple so I didn't bother telling... seems I should have |
| 20:28 | <nziarek> | PeteCool: that did it, thanks |
| 20:28 | <Chutt> | you can also just run 'qmake mythtv.pro' to regenerate it |
| 20:28 | <Chutt> | i wonder how that happens |
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| 21:51 | <Ripp> | any mythgame gurus here |
| 22:02 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: if I delete a recording from the "prompt on playback exit" menu with iulius, the delete popup still doesn't show at times |
| 22:03 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: how could I help track that down? |
| 22:05 | <Chutt> | anything but blue and liquid is pretty much unsupported right now |
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| 22:15 | <Ripp> | My mame settings in mythgame just went away and I can't seem to get myth to find things again, any ideas? |
| 22:15 | <Ripp> | happened after I tried to reload the game list |
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| 22:19 | <orangey> | hey hey! |
| 22:21 | <PeteCool> | hi |
| 22:22 | <thor> | Chutt, seems to be I'm writing more parsers than I should be in theme-ifying music playback. Am I doing something wrong? |
| 22:28 | <Chutt> | the xmlparse/uitypes don't cover things? |
| 22:29 | <Chutt> | i haven't really looked into it all that much |
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| 22:29 | <thor> | I started mucking around it things by following mythfrontend/playbackbox.cpp |
| 22:30 | <thor> | LoadWindow graps a DOM, then calls parseFont, parsePopup, parseContainer |
| 22:31 | <thor> | I seem to be duplicating all this |
| 22:31 | <thor> | feels like I should be inheriting this |
| 22:31 | <thor> | I dunno, maybe I'm just being lazy |
| 22:34 | <Ripp> | htf do I get at the cvs version anyway...can't find it on the site or docs |
| 22:35 | <thor> | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-1.html |
| 22:36 | <Ripp> | I looked in the wrong section, that stuff should probly go in downloading and installing instead...thanks. (smack me now) |
| 22:37 | * thor | slaps Ripp around with a small 50lb Unix Manual |
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| 22:39 | <Ripp> | just the small one? |
| 22:40 | <nyquiljer_> | ive been searching google fruitlessly with a problem and am hoping someone else has had it. my channel numbers are off by one. when i go to channel 60, what is shown is actually 59 |
| 22:40 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: random feature idea: "turn off" channels in livetv at user-defined times (I have channels here that only show junk [snow or srambled channels] at night) |
| 22:40 | <PeteCool> | nyquiljer_: what tv tuner are you using? |
| 22:41 | <nyquiljer_> | its ati ve |
| 22:41 | <PeteCool> | nyquiljer_: you need to for ce a card model, I don't remember exactly which |
| 22:41 | <PeteCool> | nyquiljer_: but it definitely is in the archives |
| 22:42 | <nyquiljer_> | PeteCool ok |
| 22:43 | <PeteCool> | nyquiljer_: got your remote to work? |
| 22:43 | <nyquiljer_> | when using the --xawchannels option for mythfilldatabase, what is the <sourceid> value supposed to be? |
| 22:43 | <nyquiljer_> | PeteCool: yeh, i did. it was just bad formatting in the .lircrc file. |
| 22:43 | <nyquiljer_> | PeteCool: i was missing an '=" somewhere, and that screwed it all up in ways i wouldnt have guessed |
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| 23:02 | <nyquiljer_2> | PeteCool: well, according to the archives, i was already specifying the correct tuner type. is it possible my tuner is just defective? |
| 23:16 | <Ripp> | figured out the mame problem...needed to change the MameBinary back to just xmame in order to reload list |
| 23:21 | <PeteCool> | nyquiljer_2: what frequency table are you using? |
| 23:23 | <PeteCool> | nyquiljer_2: us-cable or ca-cable? |
| 23:24 | <_shad> | check out my new and improved basement computer lab: |
| 23:24 | <_shad> | http://shad.hopto.org/~shad/comp1.jpg |
| 23:25 | <_shad> | http://shad.hopto.org/~shad/comp2.jpg |
| 23:25 | <PeteCool> | stupid irrecord |
| 23:25 | <PeteCool> | it's like the 20th time I run it and still nothing useful |
| 23:26 | <orangey> | damn, _shad! |
| 23:27 | <_shad> | :) |
| 23:27 | <orangey> | shad: you better have a family of 13 or something |
| 23:27 | <PeteCool> | _shad: are you doing a lan party or what? |
| 23:27 | <_shad> | nope |
| 23:27 | <_shad> | PeteCool: One day soon, hopefully |
| 23:27 | <orangey> | 14? |
| 23:27 | <_shad> | most of them will be able to run mythtv though |
| 23:27 | <_shad> | heh |
| 23:28 | <orangey> | _shad: can't be school-related.. cuz nobody is getting *anything* done sitting by 4 others : ) |
| 23:28 | <_shad> | orangey: there's like 5 of us :) |
| 23:28 | <_shad> | orangey: I just set them up because I had them |
| 23:28 | <_shad> | I work at a puter store, so I get the junk |
| 23:28 | <PeteCool> | ah, the cable/satellite signal will be so weak you won't be able to tune anything |
| 23:28 | <PeteCool> | ;) |
| 23:28 | <orangey> | _shad: You know, I used to be in that situation, and I'd just package systems up and donate them to uni. students who needed them.. |
| 23:28 | <_shad> | heh |
| 23:29 | <orangey> | it worked out *really* well |
| 23:29 | <_shad> | the one in the far corner is the server |
| 23:29 | <_shad> | orangey: I've been giving them to my relatives, the ones you see in the corner by the door |
| 23:30 | <orangey> | well, I guess if you have relatives.. I don't really have any personally : ) |
| 23:30 | <orangey> | other than immediate family |
| 23:30 | <_shad> | :) |
| 23:30 | <_shad> | All of them but 2 have linux |
| 23:30 | <orangey> | sweet! |
| 23:31 | <_shad> | there's a picture somewhere on that site of my 35" monitor too |
| 23:32 | <PeteCool> | _shad: same here... though my myth box still has a win2000 partition... the downtime of rebuilding gentoo on it (after dumping the partition) would make me miss some recordings =) |
| 23:32 | <PeteCool> | unless there's some way to resize reiserfs partitions that I don't know of |
| 23:32 | <_shad> | heh |
| 23:32 | <_shad> | check out the http://shad.hopto.org/~shad/mythtv dir |
| 23:33 | <justin> | PeteCool: like resize_reiserfs? |
| 23:33 | <_shad> | like partition magic? |
| 23:33 | <_shad> | :) |
| 23:34 | <PeteCool> | I don't think partition magic can do that non-destructively |
| 23:34 | <_shad> | naw |
| 23:34 | <_shad> | just ext3 |
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| 23:40 | <_shad> | I have lots of shit on there. hehe |
| 23:42 | <Tack> | _shad: You do know that that's redirecting to 127.0.0.1? |
| 23:43 | <justin> | Tack add a / |
| 23:45 | <PeteCool> | that's a dirty johnny |
| 23:53 | <_shad> | Tack: :) |
| 23:54 | <orangey> | _shad: no points for framing shots properly |
| 23:55 | <PeteCool> | mice! |
| 23:55 | <Tack> | Not exactly proper exposures either. :) |
| 23:55 | <_shad> | orangey: Bah |
| 23:55 | <_shad> | well |
| 23:55 | <_shad> | orangey: Were the first ones I showed you good? |
| 23:55 | <PeteCool> | did they eat your computers? =) |
| 23:55 | <_shad> | I just recently got a 4mp camera |
| 23:55 | <_shad> | the other ones were with a 350kp camera |
| 23:55 | <_shad> | which was a POS |
| 23:56 | <_shad> | and no view screen |
| 23:56 | <_shad> | and you always needed the flash |
| 23:56 | <_shad> | and if you moved just a little, it was blurry |
| 23:56 | <_shad> | :) |
