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00:00<mdz>rcaskey: send me a pointer to the policy proposal
00:00<PBlue_away>Chutt: While I'm you have any ideas on how i should go about properly reimplementing the Reencoder with the new nuppeldecoder/avformatdecoder stuff?
00:00<rcaskey>mdz: it's still kinda vacuous, I know the patches got accepted htough
00:00<Chutt>not sure, no
00:00<rcaskey>they h4x0rd adduser directly
00:00<PBlue_away>heh. oh well...
00:01<rcaskey>Chutt: should the frontend be able to operate without mysql access?
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00:01<Chutt>no, it shouldn't
00:02<rcaskey>Think that could be a good goal for 1.0?
00:02<Chutt>no, i don't
00:02<PeteCool>rcaskey: that doesn't make much sense
00:02<rcaskey>PeteCool: why not?
00:02<PeteCool>rcaskey: how would it get show informations? with a myth-specific protocol?
00:03<hfb>Morph: 600 mhz or 800 mhz C3?
00:03<rcaskey>PeteCool: yeah
00:03<Morph>hfb: 1Ghz.
00:03<Morph>hfb: this isnt an M though. its a V iirc.
00:03<Chutt>rcaskey, why should i replicate the functionality of the mysql client library with a myth specific protocol?
00:03<hfb>Morph: Wait.
00:03<hfb>Morph: you got a new board already.
00:03<PeteCool>rcaskey: that could introduce bugs, and it's much more complicated
00:04<rcaskey>Chutt: It would make it easier to set up myth on multiple computers
00:04<Morph>hfb: a 1Ghz V.
00:04<Chutt>rcaskey, oh no, you have to tell it where the mysql server is
00:04<Chutt>that's really difficult
00:04<rcaskey>Chutt: and meddle with permissions
00:04<Chutt>and the _only_ thing that needs to be done
00:04<PeteCool>Chutt: you also have to allow that ip access to the db
00:04<Chutt>you don't even have to tell it where the backend is
00:04<rcaskey>Chutt: Debian's mysql doesn't accept external connetions
00:04<hfb>Morph: How do you like it?
00:04<PeteCool>Chutt: but that's not hard at all
00:05<Chutt>rcaskey, so?
00:05<Chutt>there's instructions on how to modify that
00:05<Chutt>in the docs.
00:05<Morph>hfb: other than it still not being powerful enough to play video..its just fine.
00:05<PeteCool>rcaskey: a script could even be made to do the modification if the user wants to
00:05<Chutt>skunk outside
00:05<PeteCool>rcaskey: sed can do that kind of replace in a text file IIRC
00:06<hfb>Morph: What kind of video have you tried to play on it?
00:06<rcaskey>PeteCool: yeah, I think that would get some whining though on debian-devel
00:06<Morph>hfb: the kind that MythTV dumps by default. rtjpeg...
00:06<PeteCool>Morph: a C3-1Ghz can't play MythTV videos?
00:06<Chutt>morph, with your pvr-250?
00:06<Chutt>you can't be recording rtjpeg :p
00:06<rcaskey>"I installed MythTV and then someone logged into my passwordless root user and dropped all my Db's"
00:06<PeteCool>Morph: even my celeron 500 on a crappy intel i810 chipset can easily do it
00:07<Morph>PeteCool: it'll play them. but its jumpy..
00:07<Morph>Chutt: yeah.
00:07<Chutt>you're recording mpeg2
00:07<Chutt>basically, dvd-level playback
00:07<Morph>Oh. heh.
00:07<nyquiljer>rcaskey: default setup only allows connection from localhost
00:07<PeteCool>rcaskey: isn't the mysql config file a text file? my.cnf
00:07<Morph>that would explain the file size..
00:08<Chutt>does it say anything about using the non-xv mode fallback?
00:09<Morph>asking me?
00:09<Chutt>on the console that mythfrontend is run from
00:09<Chutt>how much cpu does X take up during playback?
00:09* Morphchecks
00:11<rcaskey>PeteCool: yeah
00:11<rcaskey>PeteCool: there used to be a dconf entry for it but it was taken out because Debian considers remote mysql access pretty insecure
00:11<Morph>Chutt: live tv or a recording?
00:12<Chutt>should be the same
00:12<Morph>k, i'll try live.
00:12<Chutt>rcaskey, it's a hell of a lot more secure than mythtv access :p
00:12<Chutt>X is using that much?
00:12<Chutt>not mythfrontend
00:12<rcaskey>Chutt: yeah. Debian needs a nice idiot-resistant ldap system for things just such as this
00:13<hfb>Morph: Out out of curiousity, how is the a/v sync?
00:13<Chutt>well, it should be 0, but 6%'s fairly low
00:13<_shad>Woo, I got a free HP2500C+ inkjet printer
00:13<moegreen>I'm at about 1% for playback
00:14<Morph>hfb: out to a TV?
00:14<Chutt>morph, do you have dma turned on on your harddrive?
00:14<Chutt>just checkin
00:14<moegreen>Chutt: I do notice a large number of 'Audio buffer overflow, audio data lost!' running by after watching a video for a few seconds
00:14<rcaskey>but the audioauthority transcoder is great if you have a 1080i set
00:15<Chutt>moegreen, where does m_uarrow get set to false? =
00:15<Chutt>err, =)
00:15<Morph>yeah. first thing I usually check.
00:15<itsame>My live TV running at 55%
00:15<itsame>but I got audio problems
00:15<Chutt>itsame, completely different.
00:15<rcaskey>Is there any way to convert from wmp9 to mpeg?
00:15<rcaskey>size is not an issue, but I'm wanting to watch t2 in hd when it comes out
00:16<moegreen>Chutt: that all happens in uitypes.h SetUpArrow(bool)
00:16<Chutt>moegreen, right, but it's not set in the constructor
00:16<Chutt>valgrind is bitching about it
00:16<Chutt>i've already initialized it in my tree, though
00:16<moegreen>ah, ok...i'll fix that
00:16<Chutt>no worries
00:16<moegreen>ok, you want to commit that?
00:16<Chutt>once i figure out mdz's leak
00:17<moegreen>Chutt: do you see the down arrow when it should be shown in the playback still? I though I fixed it but then it seems to have crept back in, but I've got another fix
00:17<Chutt>i never saw that, but i'm only using blue
00:17<nyquiljer>rcaskey: i think mplayer can handle mp9, so then it could convert it
00:18<rcaskey>nyquiljer: its going to be DRM encoded for sure
00:18<rcaskey>so its going to need something on the windows side
00:18<rcaskey>either that or some real niftyness
00:18<nyquiljer>rcaskey: i'm sure that sno big deal
00:18<moegreen>rcaskey: wouldn't having the ability to easily convert to mpeg defeat the wmp9 DRM capabilities?
00:19<nyquiljer>moegreen: :)
00:19<hfb>Morph. Either.
00:20<Morph>hfb: its okay out to the monitor, a couple artifacts...
00:20<Chutt>you'll see interlacing artifacts on a monitor
00:20<Chutt>of course :p
00:20<Chutt>since you can't turn on the deinterlacer
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00:52<rcaskey_>wow, slp is alot more mature than I thought
00:53<Morph>whats slp?
00:53<Chutt>valgrind's segfaulting on exit
00:53<Chutt>how's that supposed to help
00:53<rcaskey_>Morph: service location protocol
00:54<rcaskey_>uses multicast by default but can be configured for other niftyness
00:54<Morph>Oh yeah..
00:54<Morph>like Apple's rendezvous..I gotta check that out.
00:56<Ndiin>Chutt: Time to debug the debugger? ;)
00:57<Chutt>that's not all that fun
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00:57<Ndiin>indeed not
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00:58<Chutt>i did just find a couple minor tiny leaks
00:58<Chutt>that was by hand
00:58<Chutt>and nothing i don't think that would account for mdz's issue
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01:37<rcaskey_>l3ktr0n:/home/rcaskey# bash -c 'if [ -f "/usr/bin/slptool" ]; then echo slptool register myth://`echo $SSH_CLIENT|awk {\'printf $1\'}`; fi '
01:37<rcaskey_>hmm, where have I gone wrong...
01:37<rcaskey_>for some reason the inner ' marks are not being escaped
01:46<rcaskey_> if [ -f "/usr/bin/slptool" ]; then
01:46<rcaskey_> echo "Registering MythFrontend with SLP"
01:46<rcaskey_> slptool register myth://`echo $SSH_CLIENT|awk {'printf $1'}`
01:46<rcaskey_> fi
01:46<rcaskey_> in my mythbackend init.d entry seems to work nicely
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09:50<nziarek_>Iulius.4 - - likes/dislikes/suggestions welcome!
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09:54<moegreen>(it's about time) :)
09:54<nziarek_>moegreen: sorry moe!
09:55<moegreen>heh, just kidding - just finished downloading
09:55<nziarek_>and i _really_ want suggestions...i feel like i am hitting a creative wall
09:55<nziarek_>even though i kind of like the finder (but the recording status isn't there, now)
09:58<moegreen>the down/up arrows are kinda hard to see in the playback - I like their look though (just need to be a bit bigger)
09:58<moegreen>the playback is really nice overall
09:59<moegreen>the usage bar kinda goes off the bottom of the screen here, if you need room you can make the description a line shorter
09:59<nziarek_>i was having a hard time with those arrows...too big and when they are not there the show listing looks squished; too little and they stop looking like arrows ;)
09:59<nziarek_>yeah, delete still needs some tweaking
10:00<moegreen>I like the finder too, is your selection 'bar' the entire area (the lighter shading)?
10:01<nziarek_>yes...i think we are thinking the same thing
10:01<nziarek_>you have the blue highlight
10:01<nziarek_>i did the white background
10:02<rkulagow_>my "news you can use" email from tivo has a "when will tivo have dual tuner capability"? the answer goes on an on; here's the relevant part:
10:02<rkulagow_>Finally, let's say analog cable is your programming source, right out of the wall. While it is possible to support this scenario in the future, it would still require a lot of additional electronics to support the second input. And at the same time, research shows that the number of customers with this configuration is relatively small and continues to shrink as people convert to the exponentially growing digital cable and satellite indu
10:03<rkulagow_>wonder what the multiple tuner breakdown for mythtv is?
10:03<nziarek_>rkulagow: I bet small
10:04<nziarek_>nziarek: whoa! gotta run - any suggestions about iulius, leave them here, i'll read them later...
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10:52<Chutt>mdz, i've fixed a couple of smallish leaks in playback
10:53<Chutt>dunno if that'll help what you were seeing, though
10:53<Chutt>and yeah, your backtrace there doesn't make any sense whatsoever =)
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10:59<mdz_>it's pretty hosed right now
10:59<mdz_>backend seems to be chugging along though, so I haven't messed with it yet
11:00<Chutt>i had Xv stuff break last night, while I was testing
11:00<Chutt>didn't display anything, had to reboot to get it back
11:01<mdz_>still broken after restarting X?
11:01<Chutt>looked to be something stuffed up in the driver
11:01<mdz_>it's possible something like that happened to me
11:01<mdz_>though it shouldn't have been using Xv at the time
11:01<Chutt>i guess i could've reloaded the nvidia kernel module, but it was just as easy to reboot
11:01<mdz_>definitely wasn't playing anything back
11:01<mdz_>and the preview doesn't use Xv, right?
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11:15<Tack_>Do the WinTV PVR-250 drivers that are being developed work with the PVR-350? That is, if I bought a PVR-350 and used the 250 drivers, will I get at least the same functionality as if I bought the PVR-250? I'm wondering if I should future-proof.
11:15<rcaskey>mdz: you here? I'v got a quick change to init.d/mythtv-backend i'd like to make
11:17<moegreen>Tack_: you can check the website:
11:34<poptix>Tack_: yes
11:37<rkulagow_>chutt: are you here?
11:38<rkulagow_>actually, anyone with a PVR-250 care to weigh in on the CPU requirements for the MPEG-2 decode? Updating the HOWTO...
11:39<poptix>rkulagow_: hold
11:40<rcaskey>does either the 250 or 350 support HDTV decoding?
11:44<sc00p>hahaha, Chutt, some of your e-mails crack me up... "blah port to tivo blah...." response: "Not a chance."
11:45<rcaskey>Can Tivo shows be extracted and decrypted from stock tivo hardware these days without cracking the case?
11:46<rkulagow_>rcaskey: series 1 or 2, directivo or analog?
11:46<moegreen>rcaskey: I'm around 25-35% free
11:46<moegreen>errr...rkulagow I mean
11:46<poptix>14564 poptix 19 0 18084 17M 14460 R 1.1 2.3 0:02 0 mplayer
11:46<rkulagow_>moegreen: what cpu?
11:46<poptix>1.1% cpu
11:46<rcaskey>tkulago: series 2 analog
11:46<poptix>Athlon XP 2000+ (1.6ghz)
11:47<moegreen>rkulagow_: Athlon 1 GHz, with SDRAM
11:47<poptix>moegreen: using what player?
11:48<poptix>14625 poptix 10 0 18048 17M 14448 S 0.1 2.3 0:00 0 mplayer
11:48<moegreen>poptix: mythfrontend
11:48<mdz_>rcaskey: here
11:48<Chutt>i get around 10% cpu usage in mythtv, about 15-20% in mplayer
11:48<poptix>(now that i've closed tvtime, and it can create an overlay)
11:49<rcaskey>mdz: what do you think of putting in a little snippet to make myth accessible via slp?
11:49<moegreen>that's total processing - not just mythtv
11:49<Chutt>cpu usage would be lower if i could fix the direct rendering stuff to work w/ the mpeg1 decoding
11:50<rcaskey> if [ -f "/usr/bin/slptool" ]; then
11:50<rcaskey> echo "Registering MythFrontend with SLP"
11:50<rcaskey> slptool register myth://`echo $SSH_CLIENT|awk {'printf $1'}`
11:50<rcaskey> fi
11:50<rcaskey>using the same thing with deregister on service stop should do the trick as well
11:55<rkulagow_>rcaskey: i think chutt mentioned before that he wasn't keen on rendesvous. what would slp give that rendesvous doesn't?
11:55<rkulagow_>chutt: am i remembering correctly?
11:56<Chutt>i'm ambivalent about it
11:56<rkulagow_>moegreen: thanks.
11:56<Chutt>what i've got in there works, for the most part
11:56<rcaskey>Chutt: SLP seems very simple
11:56<rkulagow_>rcaskey: i'm not sure if anyone has figured out how to get the video off the series 2 yet. what's the tivo underground say at avsforum?
11:56<rcaskey>rkulagow_: not sure, don't follow it, just was wondering
11:57<moegreen>rkulagow_: I think there might be something up with my video card...not sure
11:57<rkulagow_>ok, to summarize:
11:58<Chutt>moegreen, is cpu less with current cvs and a lower resolution?
11:58<rkulagow_>moegreen: Athlon 1.1Ghz, uses 50-70% CPU doing an MPEG-2 decode of PVR-250 file in mythfrontend
11:59<rkulagow_>chutt: Athlon 1800XP, 10% CPU doing an MPEG-2 decode of PVR-250 file in mythfrontend
11:59<Chutt>that's at 720x480, 8mbit, i believe
11:59<Tack_>10%? Wow.
11:59<Tack_>That's software decoding, too, right?
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12:00<moegreen>Chutt: yeah, I'm actual rebuilding without debugging to see if I can get it down some more
12:00<rkulagow_>rcaskey: do you have mythfrontend numbers for your pvr-250? just trying to get a spectrum.
12:00<Chutt>it'd be less if i figured out what's wrong with the direct rendering stuff
12:00<moegreen>the damn globalsettings.cpp takes forever when not in debugging mode :)
12:01<Tack_>How does the quality of PVR-250 encoded video look compared to the mpeg4 encoding that's in myth right now?
12:01<rkulagow_>moegreen: ok, if you think your numbers are off then i won't include them. chutt: you're confident that your 10% CPU number is pretty accurate, correct?
12:01<Chutt>tack, slightly better compared to my wintv-radio
12:01<moegreen>rkulagow_: It should be done in a sec, and I'll let you know
12:01<rkulagow_>moegreen: thanks.
12:01<Chutt>but then, files are a lot larger
12:02<Chutt>moegreen, is it compiling with -DMMX
12:02<rcaskey>rkulagow_: I don't have a pvr-250
12:02<Chutt>just to make sure =)
12:02<moegreen>Chutt: yeah
12:02<rkulagow_>rcaskey: sorry, got you confused with poptix.
12:03<moegreen>Chutt: all my streams are: Stream #0.0: Video: mpegvideo, 720x480, 29.97 fps, 16000 kb/s, but the 480x480 is Stream #0.0: Video: mpegvideo, 480x480, 29.97 fps, 16000 kb/s, I don't seem to cut the filesize any by dropping the resolution
12:03<rkulagow_>poptix: do you have mythfrontend cpu numbers for a pvr-250 decode that you could share with me?
12:03<Chutt>right, bitrate is hardcoded in the driver
12:07<moegreen>hmm...I guess I might as well record at the highest resolution, as I can playback at that resolution fine.
12:07<moegreen>live tv is a bit choppy at that resoltuion though
12:08<Chutt>that's either harddrive speed or my network code
12:09<moegreen>I'll check my hdparms and make sure I've still got everything set right
12:13<rcaskey>Chutt: so why are you ambivolent about SLP/Rendezvous?
12:13<Chutt>because what i have now works fine
12:14<rcaskey>yeah, but but SLP or Zeroconf would make it easier in the long term
12:15<Chutt>not really
12:15<rcaskey>and SLP is going to be standard in KDE
12:19<moegreen>rkulagow_: Mythfrontend uses around 35-50% to playback a 720x480 stream, and about 30% for a 480x480 stream
12:20<moegreen>rkulagow_: ~30% for live tv @ 416x480
12:27<Chutt>that's considerably better =)
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12:36<poptix>Apr 15 11:35:43 tranq kernel: ivtv: Configuring 250rev1 card
12:36<poptix>maybe i do have the one w/ the onboard decoder
12:36<Chutt>that would certainly seem to indicate it =)
12:39<moegreen>hmmm...I get ivtv: Configuring 250rev1 card, too
12:43<Chutt>you guy's have heatsinks on your boards?
12:43<Chutt>mine's just a bare chip
12:43<moegreen>? I'll have to take a look
12:45<Chutt>i think you told me you had a heatsink
12:46<moegreen>i thought I did
12:50<Chutt>the rev1 boards have heatsinks, as the encode/decode chip runs warmer
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13:30<sri>anybody here know anything about/back
13:32* srihad to idle..interruption. :)
13:32<sri>anyways, I was going to ask
13:32<sri>whether anybody had any experience on getting tv-out working on certain motherboards?
13:32* srihas tv-out on his intel 810 motherboard but has no idea how to make it work.
13:32<sri>the box is generally headless, so I don't have a vga monitor connected to it..supposedly it should automatically use tv-out/svideo-out
13:32<sri>I'm not sure if I should be doing something with the framebuffer, ie set it up so that it uses same resolution as a tv.
13:32<rkulagow_>moegreen: thanks for the data.
13:33<rkulagow_>moegreen: is the 720x480 at 16Mbps or 8?
13:33<sri>does anybody know of a good place to look up this information?
13:33<sri>googling hasn't really gotten me anywhere :(
13:42<moegreen>rkulagow_: 16
13:47<rkulagow_>moegreen: thanks.
13:51<Tack_>Anyone use Bell Expressvu here?
13:51<Tack_>xmltv's listings aren't very accurate. :/
13:51<Tack_>Well, they're not bad, but it's missing a few channels and some of them are labelled wrong.
14:07<rkulagow_>chutt: if you're here, can you please sync the website to the CVS docs?
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14:15<Chutt>docs are updated
14:15<rkulagow_>nziarek: if you're here, can you please send me a pdf?
14:15<Chutt>thank you =)
14:15<Chutt>i'm just hoping my commit didn't break stuff
14:16<Chutt>added v4l2 support for capturing
14:16<Chutt>but i need to make sure it's falling back to v4l1 properly
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14:26<Chutt>blah, i overwrote the old bttv modules
14:27<Chutt>can someone update to current cvs and let me know if capturing still works? =)
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14:39<moegreen>on globalsettings.cpp now :)
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14:54<Chutt>i wanted to try the bttv 0.9.x driver, but it didn't like the v4l-1 capturing stuff
14:54<Chutt>so i had to update the older v4l2 stuff i had written to the new api
14:55<Chutt>i hope i didn't break CC either =)
14:55<Chutt>but, that seems to be working ok
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15:13<moegreen>videoc_querycap:: Invalid argument
15:14<Chutt>NuppelVideoRecorder.cpp, line 672
15:14<moegreen>i set my pvr250 to record something - started (went to RecordingOnly stage), then setup to record something else (should use the ati tv wonder), goes to RecordingOnly stage, but then gives that error. Processor level is very low
15:14<Chutt>can you change that return to 'usingv4l2 = false;'
15:15<moegreen>instead of the return?
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15:23<moegreen>videoc_querycap:: Invalid argument
15:24<moegreen>Not a capture device
15:24<moegreen>Won't work with the streaming interface, failing
15:24<moegreen>audio volume set to '32768'
15:25<moegreen>hmmm..let me check to make sure this card is working
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15:32<moegreen>yeah, both cards work the error above stands
15:40<Chutt>does it capture, though?
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15:42<moegreen>heh, didn't think to look - hold on
15:43<moegreen>well the backend is using a lot of cpu
15:43<moegreen>and both things are in my recordings list
15:44<Chutt>and it plays back?
15:44<moegreen>it does record
15:44<moegreen>yeah, it's playing back what I set to record second.
15:44<Chutt>i'll clean up the error messages a little, then
15:44<moegreen>at least the v4l1 does ... let me make sure the v4l2 does
15:45<Chutt>the hardware one hasn't changed
15:45<moegreen>derr...I have something wrong with the driver - that is why. Everything is all good
15:46<Chutt>ok, cool.
15:46<Chutt>thanks for testing =)
15:46<Chutt>so what are you going to work on next?
15:46<moegreen>heh, this stack trace isn't good
15:46<moegreen>umm...I think the conflict resolution stuff
15:47<moegreen>should be a lot like the playbackbox but with a normal list, right?
15:48<moegreen>it might not get done in record time like some of the other stuff because I'll be a bit more busy, but it should be finished within a week or two
15:48<Chutt>no rush =)
15:48<moegreen>when are you looking to release next?
15:48<Chutt>i dunno, really
15:48<moegreen>I guess some of the pvr250 stuff should stablize some more huh
15:49<Chutt>i'd like for it to be able to select bitrate, etc
15:49<moegreen>i'll tell ya - seeking and commercial skipping would be nice on that card :)
15:49<Chutt>commercial skip's going to be a tad harder
15:49<Chutt>since it can't mark blank flags on the fly
15:49<Chutt>but that should already be taken care of
15:49<Chutt>seeking will be fairly easy
15:49<Chutt>i just need more time :(
15:50<Chutt>not enough hours in the day
15:50<moegreen>so no other real problems with MythWeather?
15:50<Chutt>works well
15:50<Chutt>no idea what that problem was with the tmp files
15:50<Chutt>heh, is your webserver down? =)
15:51<moegreen>yeah ... I guess my friend's dsl is down
15:51<Chutt>that might be my fault
15:51<Chutt>got slashdotted fairly badly
15:51<moegreen>ahh...and via the slashdot click-throughers I got slashdotted :)
15:52<Chutt>buncha increased traffic
15:54<moegreen>how many hits did you get today?
15:54<Chutt>dunno yet
15:54<moegreen>it's dead.
15:55<moegreen>he said he can get to his firewall the machine is behind, but not to the machine :)
15:56<Chutt>ah, so probably not something due to traffic, then
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15:56<moegreen>?? - it might have been, he said he'll be able to get access to it a bit later and let me know
15:57<guest1>for some reason my mythtv is realllllllllllyyy slow and i cant FF or Rewind TV,
15:57<guest1>i am using the WinTV card
15:57<guest1>P3 866, mandrake linux
15:57<guest1>any ideas?
15:57<Chutt>moegreen, generally, bandwidth is the issue
15:58<Chutt>guest1, drop the encoding resolution/quality down to something your computer can handle.
15:58<guest1>it's because of my processor that i cant view the tv well?
15:58<guest1>it aint my graphics card, its a friggin geforce 4
15:58<Chutt>why would that have anything to do with it?
15:58* guest1grumbles
15:58<guest1>thats the only reason?
15:58<guest1>xawtv works fine
15:59<Chutt>xawtv doesn't do anything
15:59<guest1>uh...i view tv with it
15:59<Chutt>you're not watching tv in mythtv.
15:59<Chutt>you're compressing tv, then viewing the compressed file.
15:59<Chutt>that takes cpu
16:01<nziarek_>guest1 - it is what a PVR does
16:01<guest1>yeah, i get that much, but im just viewing live TV
16:01<nziarek_>if all you want is xawtv, then use xawtv...
16:01<Chutt>then use xawtv or tvtime
16:01<guest1>im not recording anything...yet ;)
16:01<guest1>i like the features of MythTV...=(
16:01<guest1>recording should work fine though right?
16:01<Chutt>if you want to pause it, or ff/rew, you need to record the video
16:01<nziarek_>but you order to pause, rewind, etc, it has to record the stream
16:02<guest1>makes sense...
16:02<Chutt>guest1, sure if you have the encoding settings set to something appropriate to your cpu
16:02<guest1>how do i change them?
16:02<Chutt>it'll work fine
16:02<Chutt>from the main menu
16:03<Chutt>if you get live tv working, then recording will too
16:03<guest1>what would you recomend i set them to?
16:04<guest1>what processor do you got>?
16:04<Chutt>an xp1800+
16:04<guest1>well...i gotta get a new comp eventually...
16:05<guest1>also my sound is screwy...but ill try using the HOWTO instructions to fix it first
16:05<guest1>the sound comes before the video...heh...
16:05<Chutt>try something like 320x240 with rtjpeg and something like a quality level of 170
16:05<Chutt>and turning off audio compression
16:06<Chutt>it should be able to handle that, at least
16:06<Chutt>and then you can try turning stuff up, to see what the max is..
16:06<Chutt>guest1, yeah, that'd be your mixer settings, and there's a lot of stuff in the howto about that
16:06<guest1>in otherwords my processor is outdated and can use basically the minimum features...o well
16:06<guest1>thanks for the help Chutt
16:07<Chutt>realtime video compression is hard =)
16:07<guest1>no kiddin
16:07<rkulagow_>chutt: is there a practical limit to the number of tuners / number of backends?
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16:07<Chutt>rkulagow, not really
16:07<Chutt>pci bus
16:08<Chutt>memory bus
16:08<Chutt>harddrive speed
16:08<rkulagow_>sorry, meant with multiple chassis and one or two tuners each.
16:08<Chutt>no, not that i know of
16:08<rkulagow_>hard limit of int, long int, long long int?
16:09<Chutt>yeah, there'll probably be a limit of a signed int
16:09<Chutt>i wouldn't put that in the docs, though :p
16:09<rkulagow_>"no one is ever going to need more than a signed int's worth of tuners" :)
16:09<rkulagow_>ok, thanks.
16:09<Chutt>so only 2 billion tuner cards
16:10<rkulagow_>why not an unsigned int? aren't you being a little short sighted? =)
16:11<Chutt>yeah, i am
16:27<Chutt>anyway to force weather to display the tomorrow's forcast page?
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16:40<Chutt>inman, hey
16:49<Chutt>got a db question for ya
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16:49<inman>well, there's a first time for everything. :-)
16:49<Chutt>going to want to store actor/director/producer/etc people somehow
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16:49<Chutt>and want to be able to search on it
16:49<Chutt>not quite sure how best to go about that
16:50<inman>what is the question? how to do string comparisons quickly?
16:50<inman>how to do the relations?
16:50<Chutt>well, how best to do the associations
16:50<inman>the project i was working on before i came to myth was the same problem, for music.
16:51<inman>i think you want to be able to support many actors (duh), many directors, many producers, etc.
16:51<inman>i would have a table of people, then map them to movies/shows/whatever.
16:51<inman>the map table is just like the one i submitted for playlists.
16:51<Chutt>how to stop the people table from growing out of hand?
16:51<Chutt>just cull out un-referenced people occasionally?
16:52<inman>the people table is the smallest way to do this.
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16:52<inman>reference counting is trivial, actually, i demonstrated it during the playlist debacle.
16:52<inman>you just join the people against the movies and look for NULL movie names (or whatever).
16:52<inman>those represent people for which there are no movies.
16:53<inman>i wouldn't even remove them, though.
16:53<inman>see, i'd want them to show up in a search...
16:53<inman>did you find a good source for this data?
16:53<Chutt>oh, didn't you see?
16:53<Chutt> is providing an xmltv feed
16:53<inman>no, i've been stuck in RL.
16:53<inman>fscking sweeeet!
16:53<Chutt>same raw data as zap2it (ie, from tms)
16:54<Chutt>but they include the rest of the data, too
16:54<inman>man, that's awesome
16:54<Chutt>it's free for now
16:54<inman>gimme an email subj to search on, or a fragment of one?
16:54<Chutt>they're eventually going to move to a free 'light' feed
16:54<Chutt>i don't think it made it to the mythtv lists
16:54<poptix>hey Chutt
16:54<Chutt>and a really cheap pay feed, with the full data
16:55<Chutt>but it's like $4 / 3 months, so
16:55<inman>well, if you want me to write the schema, i should be able to do that quickly.
16:55* inmanis moving.
16:55<poptix>i'm now seeing your high pitched whine problem
16:55<Chutt>poptix, yay =)
16:55<Chutt>newer driver?
16:55<poptix>Chutt: yeah
16:55<poptix>although, i also changed the firmware i'm using
16:55<Chutt>and is fixed by going to the old driver without the msp3400?
16:55<poptix>but god, that's annoying as fuck
16:55<Chutt>like it's just at the point where it's headache forming
16:56<Chutt>inman, if you have time, sure
16:57<poptix>going to the old msp driver kills the audio completely
16:57<poptix>although it used to work.. hmm
16:57<inman>did we rip off the listings format from them or vice-versa?
16:57<Chutt>which listings format?
16:57<Chutt>they're translating their internal listings into xmltv and stuff
16:57<Chutt>there's going to have to be a couple mods to mythfilldatabase to work with their stuff, but nothing major
16:58<inman>i'm wondering where i can get a look at the xml source.
16:58<inman>that should define the schema better than a human can.
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16:59<inman>so only if i pay for it?
16:59<poptix>they don't have my cable provider right
17:00<Chutt>you just have to have one of the free accounts for now
17:00<Chutt>and use that url directly
17:00<inman>fair enough.
17:00* poptixshrugs
17:00<poptix>zap2it works for me
17:01<inman>the shallow depth of listings data is one of the major deficiencies of myth, imo.
17:01<inman>tivo does a much better job.
17:01<Chutt>this is the same data
17:01<Chutt>so =)
17:01* inmangrins evilly.
17:02<inman>brb, walkin' the dog.
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17:04<poptix>i wonder how much a 30 minute segment costs in the middle of the night, on network television
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17:18<vektor>Chutt: tvtime can now read from my own nvrec-style recorded format.
17:19<vektor>Chutt: I'm interested in reading mythtv files now.
17:19<Chutt>what's different about your format?
17:20<Chutt>you familiar with the bttv 0.9 driver, btw?
17:20<vektor>I'm not familiar with it, no.
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17:21<Chutt>got a problem with it and v4l2 capture
17:22<poptix>i'm using it
17:22<vektor>Chutt: What's the issue?
17:22<Chutt>it seems to un-queue all my buffers on channel change
17:22<Chutt>which is slightly annoying
17:22<Chutt>but not all the time
17:23<vektor>That sounds like a bug.
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17:26<inman>got the xml data. thanks nathan.
17:26<inman>Chutt: do you want to be able to handle aliases correctly?
17:26<poptix>'tvtime should not be taken more than twice daily .....'
17:26<vektor>poptix: ;-)
17:26<poptix>vektor: it's too long to read =p
17:26<inman>actor aliases?
17:27<Chutt>are they in the data?
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17:27<inman>i don't know how i could tell.
17:27<inman>there's no way for us to know.
17:27<inman>but, eg. if an actor changes their name... what to do?
17:27<Chutt>i wouldn't worry about it
17:28<inman>okay, so every name we see is a unique person, afawac.
17:29<Chutt>there, little hack to see if the dqbuf returns -einval, then rebuffer everything
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17:34<rkulagow_>vektor: i was looking through the tvtime code at the hardware mute function; users on the mythtv list complain that they get a "popping" when they change channels using btaudio and myth. since i don't have btaudio, i don't know what they're talking about. do you know if the v4l hardware mute functions on btaudio /dev/dsp devices?
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17:38<Chutt>i guess it doesn't like multiple calls on the same fd
17:38<vektor>BTW, I'm writing this page, maybe you guys can read it and comment on it:
17:40<inman>Chutt: i'll email you the schema, okay?
17:40<vektor>poptix: the joke is that it's too long to read ;-)
17:41<vektor>rkulagow_: If they hear popping, I bet that the mute isn't being applied to btaudio.
17:41<Chutt>mythtv doesn't mute the card at all on channel change
17:42<Chutt>i'm lazy like that =)
17:42<vektor>oh, well there you go then.
17:42<vektor>I always mute on channel change.
17:42<vektor>Furthermore, I don't capture frames until the card says it detects signal. :)
17:43<Chutt>what fun is that
17:44<vektor>it's a neat little state machine :)
17:44<vektor>you should steal it :)
17:44<rkulagow_>chutt: iirc, you think that it's better to mute the hardware than to just mute the output dsp on a channel change, correct? couldn't there just be a muteon(true) right before the channel change?
17:45<rkulagow_>(on the frontend)
17:45<Chutt>it does mute/unmute the soundcard, i believe
17:45<rkulagow_>chutt: right.
17:50<Chutt>vektor, i've been working on the wintv pvr-250 =)
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17:51<vektor>Chutt: rockstar ;-)
17:51<vektor>i have to take off, but when i get back i may work on playing mythtv recorded files
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17:55<inman>documentation always takes about 10x as long as code. :-(
17:58<rkulagow_>chutt: never heard back from you on moving all the docs (FAQ / README) into docs/ so that maybe the newbs will read the HOWTO before posting yet another "QMYSQL3 error" message. WDYT?
18:01<inman>rkulagow_: did you ever hear my suggestion to move all faqs/troubleshooting into a single location in the docs?
18:02<inman>rkulagow_: there is a good bit of duplication between 2-3 sources.
18:02<inman>rkulagow_: and people don't seem to read all sources...
18:02<rkulagow_>inman: no, don't recall, sorry. i concur, but i don't own FAQ and README, so that's up to chutt
18:02<Chutt>i'd like at least a little readme
18:02<Chutt>but the faq can go
18:03<inman>rkulagow_: my research was performed exclusively online... who runs that?
18:03<rkulagow_>inman: i didn't parse the question
18:04<inman>rkulagow_: i wasn't looking at the docs in the tarball; just the several sources online.
18:04<Chutt>inman, the actor stuff looks nice, thanks =)
18:04<inman>Chutt: n/p, trivial as you can see. :-)
18:04<Chutt>i'm planning on doing all that a little later this week
18:05<rkulagow_>inman: if you mean the "documentation" link from the website, that's just a HTML version of the same HOWTO that's in CVS.
18:06<inman>rkulagow_: right.
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18:06<rkulagow_>i'm the main HOWTO maintainer; several sections (mostly the distro-specific stuff that's not Mandrake) is written by volunteers
18:07<inman>i thought someone had written a patch to save the volume, perhaps even per-channel.
18:07<inman>i think it was TheAsp.
18:08<rkulagow_>that's a chutt question then
18:08<Chutt>inman, nope
18:08<Chutt>at least, not that i recall
18:08* poptixgrumbles
18:08<poptix>[15/1641] <Compn> poptix : yep, they didnt fix the version number
18:08<rkulagow_>i remember a bunch of people saying "that's a great idea" though
18:09<poptix>main.cpp:16: no matching function for call to `MythContext::MythContext()'
18:09<poptix>../../libs/libmyth/mythcontext.h:50: candidates are:
18:09<Chutt>poptix, which main.cpp
18:10<Chutt>that's been updated..
18:10<Chutt>try a new checkout, perhaps?
18:10* poptixcvs updated before he started compiling
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18:29<froggy19>man this sucks.
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18:30<froggy19>i can't get rivatv working right
18:30<doogen>this is a cool project. I hope to get it working downstairs, especially now that someone made a tivo plugin
18:31<poptix>tivo plugin?
18:31<doogen>yeah check out this link
18:32<Chutt>there's a module that's not distributed from that'll pull recordings out of the older model tivos
18:32<doogen>that is what i have
18:32<Chutt>it's pretty useless, imo, but, whatever
18:32<doogen>why is it useless
18:32<doogen>now i can watch shows on my upstairs tivo in my basement?
18:33<Chutt>having multiple program schedulers recording things is silly
18:33<doogen>i wouldn't have multiple, only use the tivo. mythtv just for display
18:33<doogen>or sometimes there is show conflicts
18:35<doogen>the only question is does myth tv need a dedicated box, or can I run it on a normal linux box without it conflicting with X
18:35<Chutt>it uses X.
18:35<doogen>(my tv and computer are fairly close togehter
18:35<doogen>I hope to use multiple X sessions
18:36<doogen>one X session uses my normal video card
18:36<doogen>:1 use the tv card
18:36<doogen>(i hope)
18:38<doogen>i already do multiple x sessions with some wine games that require a different bit depth and resolution
18:39<doogen>the only problem is I will probably have to use a hacked version of X that allows multiple input sources
18:40<doogen>anyway if it doesn't work I might buy my friends computer for $600. I believe it is a 1.4 P4. (nice thing is it has a dvd burner)
18:41<poptix>you can always set it up with dual monitor support, and put myth on the second display
18:41<Chutt>poptix, get it compiling?
18:41<poptix>Chutt: it's still chugging along
18:41<poptix>looks like it passed that part though
18:42<poptix>yeah, just finished.
18:42<Chutt>it's like it was a partial update or something
18:42<doogen>poptix, I had dual display going before, but I got rid of it, because my openGL didn't work with it
18:42<poptix>who knows
18:43<doogen>both displays need to support OpenGL :(
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18:45<PeteCool>nziarek: nice work on iulius.4... the delete screen still is whacked up, but it should be easy to fix...
18:45<PeteCool>nziarek: I like the finder, very neat
18:45<nziarek_>PeteCool: yeah, just got it into usable shape before I dive in and muck around with it
18:45<Chutt>if you move the 'usage' container up a little to like 525 or so
18:45<nziarek_>thanks :)
18:45<Chutt>it's better looking =)
18:45<Chutt>covers up the time/channel indicator, though
18:45<poptix>Chutt: is the pvr 250 setup stuff working?
18:45<Chutt>poptix, yes
18:46<poptix>hardware mpeg encoder, right?
18:46<Chutt>if it doesn't probe the inputs, see my email to the mythtv list about how to fix it
18:46<PeteCool>nziarek_: the long channel name is cut off, too
18:46<nziarek_>on the playback?
18:46<Chutt>yeah, just set it to hardware mpeg encoder
18:46<Chutt>and that's 'bout it
18:46<Chutt>everything else is like normal
18:46<PeteCool>nziarek_: no, on the delete screen
18:46<PeteCool>nziarek_: well, playback has it too
18:47<Chutt>nziarek, my wife says the fonts are too small
18:47<PeteCool>nziarek_: the longest I see it is: 'Channel 20 ', anything long is cut off
18:47<Chutt>and while the font looks cool, it's hard to read
18:48<PeteCool>Chutt: would be a good reason to get a bigger tv ;)
18:48<nziarek_>Chutt: ok, ok, you win :) i've been looking for something better since I found this one, but...good fonts are hard to come by
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18:49<Chutt>my only comment is that the darker selection bar doesn't always seem to have enough contrast against the dark background
18:49<guest1>im back :)
18:49<PeteCool>nziarek_: did you try with verdana? I think most distros make them available now (msttcorefonts on debian, default X package on gentoo...)
18:49<nziarek_>chutt: i did notice that...i don't have mine on my TV, so some of the stuff I can't test
18:49<guest1> turns out alsa isnt working for me...any ideas on how to get it to work?
18:49<nziarek_>if I can just use verdana, I will
18:49<guest1>i keep on getting:
18:49<moegreen>nziarek_: I assume you got my email about the fill area instead of using the transparent images
18:49<guest1>alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for hw:0: No such file or directory
18:50<nziarek_>Chutt: does the font need to be included to work with the OSD, or will myth look for verdana installed?
18:50<guest1>can anyone help me
18:50<Chutt>the osd only looks for fonts in specific places
18:51<Chutt>guest1, it's kinda off-topic :p
18:51<guest1>common ;)
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18:51<guest1>it has to do with mythtv...
18:51<guest1>i cant get the sound to work, because of alsa
18:51<guest1>i guess
18:51<guest1>i dunno why
18:52<nziarek_>Chutt: so, basically, i want to only use the freesans on the OSD to make sure everyone has it?
18:52<Chutt>that's the _best_ way to handle it
18:52<nziarek_>i can do that, then
18:52<Chutt>but if you can distribute a font in the dir
18:52<Chutt>in the theme dir, it'll be there
18:53<Chutt>but we can't redistribute the ms fonts
18:53<nziarek_>ok, i'll stop being stubborn
18:53<PeteCool>guest1: the alsa irc channel/mailing list are the best to answer those kinds of questions - it's definitely an alsa problem
18:53<moegreen>would there be a way to fallback to a different font if the original isn't found?
18:53<Chutt>nziarek, she was talking about the font in the playback selection screen, though =)
18:54<nziarek_>Chutt: the problem is, I want to use verdana, but if the user doesn't have it, it'll segfault. can i say verdana/arial somehow?
18:55<inman>what about doing it the way the CSS does it?
18:55<Chutt>i think so
18:55<inman>font-family: Verdana, Arial, Sans-Serif;
18:55<nziarek_>moegreen: i'll look at the UI change when I get home; does this mean I can make all of my transparent layovers with this fill box, or just the selection bar?
18:55<inman>that sort of thing...
18:56<moegreen>nziarek_: It's just in the selection bar stuff now. It's not really transparent but like the shading when the popup comes up for the delete confirmation. It's a lot faster than what you had - and looks pretty much the same (at least on my tv) :)
18:56<nziarek_>i'll look at it, then
18:56<Chutt>moegreen, is that a fallback for non-trans mode?
18:57<moegreen>Chutt: not right now, I guess it could be
18:57<moegreen>Chutt: did you check out the program finder for iulius .4, it's somewhat slow over here because of the large transparent area being redrawn each time.
18:57<moegreen>but the design doesn't allow for it to be drawn to the background layer either
18:58<Chutt>it's not slow here =)
18:58<Chutt>but i've got that nice hardware accellerated render stuff
18:58<Chutt>so the blending's fast
18:58<moegreen>Chutt: how does one confirm if you have that or not?
18:58<poptix>Chutt: do you recall what the subject was?
18:58<poptix>(re, hardware mpeg, inputs)
18:58<Chutt>poptix, wintv pvr-usb
18:59<Chutt>moegreen, recent nvidia driver =)
18:59<Chutt>WinTV PVR-USB?
18:59<Chutt>on the -users list
18:59<moegreen>i see ... stupid G400 framebuffer
19:02<moegreen>it's not *slow* i guess - it lags a bit though. ??? nziarek_: use it if you want :)
19:04<Chutt>i dunno
19:04<Chutt>people will complain!
19:04<Chutt>so, whatever yall think's best
19:06<guest1>Chutt, how do you change the video quality settings?
19:07<poptix>Chutt: is that in the FAQ yet?
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19:14<guest1>Myth tv sound issue
19:14<guest1>me have
19:14<guest1>i mute IGain, no sound, i turn up IGain, 2 sound sources from the same channel
19:15<moegreen>guest1: you should mute line-in and set it to capture
19:16<guest1>i turned on recording from line by the way
19:16<guest1>thats what i did
19:16<guest1>the volume is down two zero
19:16<moegreen>to :)
19:16<guest1>i turn up line, and now the volume is behind by a few seconds
19:16<guest1>i mean ahead
19:16<guest1>can no one help me?
19:17<moegreen>and the problem when the line-in is down?
19:17<guest1>let me explain it
19:17<guest1>i am recording on Line in
19:17<guest1>or line
19:17<guest1>everything is at zero except master
19:17<guest1>i turn up line, i get sound that is ahead of picture
19:18<guest1>i turn up IGain, i get 2 sound sources, one on time, one still ahead
19:18<guest1>i turn off Line, i get sound for a second or two then no sound at all
19:19<guest1>thats it
19:19<moegreen>are you using aumix?
19:19<guest1>alsamixer doesnt work for me at the moment
19:20<guest1>i also got KMix
19:20<moegreen>so do you have a 'line' and a line1?
19:20<moegreen>well...i can tell you what I have ... that might work for you
19:21<guest1>im open
19:21<guest1>the picture is great
19:21<moegreen>Vol, PCM are around 80%, 'line' is all the way down with an R next to it
19:21<moegreen>IGain is around 20%
19:21<moegreen>Line1 is at 80% and has a P next to it
19:21<moegreen>everything else is all the way down
19:21<moegreen>Playback I guess
19:22<moegreen>i have it on all the other channels
19:22<guest1>i dont see any P
19:22<guest1>well now i got 2 sound sources
19:22<guest1>both from the same channel
19:22<guest1>one behind the other
19:22<guest1>IGain makes the ahead sound louder
19:22<poptix>try using btaudio?
19:23<guest1>where do i get that
19:24<poptix>comes with the linux kernel.
19:24<poptix>have you read the FAQ/HOWTO for mythtv?
19:25<guest1>most of it..
19:25<guest1>i got bttv
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19:26<guest1>ok, how do i use btaudio
19:27<poptix>modprobe btaudio
19:27<poptix>basicly it provides a /dev/dsp device for reading the tv audio from
19:27<poptix>mythtv can grab the audio from that
19:27<poptix>(then you remove the loopback cable from the tv card)
19:29<guest1>so remove the cable that goes from the tv card to the sound card?
19:32<moegreen>guest1: if the btaudio module found your card you can
19:32<guest1>nothing happens after i type that in
19:32<guest1>modprobe btaudio
19:35<poptix>Chutt: i fixed the v4l2 detection, it's still not probing the inputs
19:36<poptix>guest1: would you please try to be less .. noisy?
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19:36<guest1>poptix: then would you mind explaining your modprobe command to me and what i am supposed to do?
19:37<poptix>guest1: READ THE HOWTO
19:37<poptix>all of it.
19:37<guest1>which page?
19:37<poptix>every page.
19:37<guest1>ill just look for another PVR
19:38<mdz>damn, it looks like my myth box's video card may be fried
19:38<mdz>I have had the worst year for hardware
19:38<guest1>mythv looks good and all but whats the point if i cant get it to work?!?!
19:39<poptix>guest1: have fun using another PVR then.
19:39<moegreen>guest1: after your modprobe type dmesg and look at the output to see if your card was recognized
19:39<poptix>moegreen: unless you plan on holding his hand all the way through it, i'd give up now
19:42<guest1>gotta learn from somewhere
19:43<guest1>yup, it was
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19:44<TheAsp>something is wrong, it takes way more cpu to encode
19:45<moegreen>guest1: what device does it say it created?
19:45<poptix>guest1: you can _learn_ by reading the documentation
19:46<poptix>12982 root 9 0 32916 32M 20524 S 14.8 4.2 0:20 0 mythfrontend
19:46<guest1>i dunno...well ill just search though the documentation...hopefully ill find something, if not you will be seeing me again ;)
19:46<guest1>thanks for the help
19:46<poptix>that's using the pvr 250, with deinterlace and commercial detection
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19:46<thor_>moegreen is a patient man
19:47<poptix>pausing is working with the pvr 250 =p
19:47<moegreen>poptix: yeah pause works, but ff/rw doesn't yet
19:47<poptix>heh =)
19:48<poptix>well, that's alright i guess
19:48<poptix>sure does look nice
19:49<poptix>my OSD is screwed up though
19:49<poptix>er, EPG, not OSD
19:49<poptix>(although the OSD is blank too =p)
19:49<moegreen>hmm...OSD works fine here
19:50<poptix>can you change channels?
19:50<poptix>(from myth)
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19:52<moegreen>though if your EPG is messed up your might not have your pvr250 card mapped to the right video source (listings data)
19:52<moegreen>that happened to me when I first set it up - couldn't change channels and no osd data
19:53* TheAspsings the no cpu left song
19:53<moegreen>TheAsp: that's a sad, sad song.
19:55<poptix>moegreen: the EPG has the correct data
19:55<poptix>moegreen: it's just jumbled up
19:55<poptix>like all the fonts are too large
19:56<poptix>i'm using the alternate EPG though
19:56<poptix>it looks like the preview window is too big, offsetting everything else
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19:58<billytwowilly>hi, I was just wondering, on the webpage it says that mythtv can encode to mpeg4. Does this mean that the stuff encoded would be easily viewed with another program like xine?
19:58<inman>check the archives regarding mpeg4/rtjeg and mencoder/mplayer patches.
19:59<Chutt>poptix, what res are you running the ui at?
19:59<billytwowilly>ahh. I'd rather not have to patch anything... I was just curious about that one thing, as It looked new since I last checked.. are any of the video formats compatible with transcode?
19:59<Chutt>and if the osd/channel changing doesn't work, i'd guess that maybe the source->input mapping isn't right?
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20:01<poptix>Chutt: i have it set for auto detect, but my screen res is 1280x1024
20:01<Chutt>that's why, basically
20:02<Chutt>it doesn't draw well with things taller than 4:3
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20:02<Chutt>assumptions are off =)
20:02<Chutt>should look ok at 1280x960, though
20:04<TheAsp>chutt, anything go in lately that would slow down recording?
20:04<Chutt>theasp, nope
20:04<Chutt>seems to be the same as always, here
20:06<nziarek>smallville is Action?
20:06<Chutt>yeah, they don't have an official category for 'Crap'
20:07<poptix>does look fine at 1280x960
20:07<poptix>Chutt: oh come on
20:07<poptix>you have to admit, it's better than american idol
20:07<poptix>or any of the reality tv shit
20:07<Chutt>never watched either =)
20:08<poptix>or 24/7 coverage of how our troops take a dump in the middle of the desert
20:08* poptixlooks at the lightning show
20:09<poptix>Chutt: should the 'setup' program be probing my pvr inputs?
20:09<poptix>the backend found them, and is using them, but i have no OSD info, and no channel changing
20:09<Chutt>yes, it should be
20:10<Chutt>all 10 inputs
20:10<Chutt>do a make clean in the setup dir and rebuild that
20:10<Chutt>see if it helps
20:11<moegreen>poptix: I had the same problem. I had two different 'video sources' for some reason, only one of them worked correctly
20:11<moegreen>though they both had the same name
20:12<poptix>Chutt: it's not probing, the 'default input' is blank, if i go back in it shows 'television'
20:12<poptix>input connections found it though
20:13<poptix>that's a lot of inputs
20:13* poptixfixes his overlapping channel problem, again
20:13<poptix>i hate att/comcast
20:14<poptix>i'd show them by cancelling my cable if it weren't free.
20:14<Chutt>i'm paying like $60 a month now for comcast
20:14<Chutt>basic digital
20:14<Chutt>it's insane
20:14<poptix>(no, i'm not stealing it, i work for my apartment complex and they give it to us free for allowing us to sell it to tenants)
20:14<Chutt>was ~$40 when i first signed up 2 years ago
20:14<poptix>get basic analog =p
20:14<Chutt>that's $45
20:14<Chutt>barely worth it
20:14<poptix>no way
20:15<moegreen>get directv
20:15<Chutt>digital's $10/month and $5 rental fee for the box
20:15<Chutt>moegreen, wife doesn't want a dish on the house
20:15<Chutt>and, there's a lot of trees around here
20:15<Chutt>so it wouldn't really work
20:16<moegreen>climb up one of the trees and put the dish up there :)
20:16<Chutt>poptix, actually, the alt-epg had a scaling bug
20:16<Chutt>still doesn't look good, but it's a little better now
20:17<moegreen>i'll be reworking most of that code for the new ui stuff sooner than later so...
20:18<poptix>they've hidden the analog cable product info very well
20:18<Chutt>poptix, i could get _basic_ basic analog for cheap
20:18<Chutt>like, 13 channels
20:18<Chutt>since i think they have to have something for under a certain price point
20:20<inman>right, that's usually ~$10.
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20:20<Chutt>but the rest of the analog package brings it up to the point of obsurdity
20:20<mdz>so, anybody know where to get one of these nvidia cards with tv-out for cheap?
20:21<mdz>my hardware failure streak continues
20:21<Chutt>mdz, try newegg
20:21<mdz>what is the model to get?
20:21<Chutt>i dunno
20:21<inman>i think people like the geforce2mx as a cheap tv-out solution.
20:21* inmanhas an expensive old-school geforce3.
20:22<Chutt>but not all gf2mx's have tv out, so, careful =)
20:22<inman>i've never used my card for mythtv/tv-out, though.
20:22<inman>mdz: you are tied to the nvidia chipset?
20:23<mdz>inman: no, just seems like it is actually supported
20:23<mdz> looks like the right card
20:23<mdz>USD39 at newegg
20:23<inman>mdz: i thought vektor gave a pretty convincing recommendation for the g[24]00 tv-out.
20:23<mdz>vektor: ping
20:24<Chutt>inman, right, but none of that works in mythtv (yet?)
20:24<Chutt>that requires the use of the directfb stuff
20:24<inman>Chutt: like i said, i don't know anything since i've never even set it up under X. :-)
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20:25<moegreen>my g400 works for tv-out
20:25<Chutt>yeah, but you're not using the good method
20:26<Chutt>and the nvidia card should have nice accel in X with the new drivers =)
20:26<mdz>moegreen: how are you setting it up?
20:26<mdz>if it's vesa, that's not too interesting
20:26<mdz>that was the worst part about this card
20:27<moegreen>mdz: framebuffer accelerated
20:27<moegreen>via the kernel
20:27<mdz>do you get X acceleration?
20:28<mdz>I don't care about 3D, but Xv is critical obviously
20:28<inman>there is good X support for the g[24]00s
20:28<inman>always has been
20:28<inman>that is one of the fastest 2d chipsets out there, still.
20:28<moegreen>Xv works
20:29<mdz>inman: you usually don't get the same features when using tv-out through fbdev rather than the native X driver
20:31<moegreen>mdz: there is a matroxfb.txt file in the kernel's Documentation tree which talks about it
20:33<mdz>moegreen: so do you use the mga X driver, or fbdev?
20:34<Chutt>moegreen, when you made all those thumbnails, did you use a script?
20:34<moegreen>fbdev - I think that is what is needed for the tvout. Though there was something about the mga driver and tvout working - I haven't looked into it recently to see if Matrox released an updated driver or not
20:35<moegreen>Chutt: no, but I'm sure there is something out there that will do that
20:35<moegreen>in fact...hold on
20:36<Chutt>for i in *.png; { convert -resize 150x113 $i thmb-$i; }
20:36<moegreen>looking to update the screenshots for all the new stuff?
20:39<mdz>I thought fbdev was unaccelerated
20:39<mdz>do you mean XF86_FBdev or Driver "fbdev"?
20:39<mdz>I thought both were unaccelerated
20:39<moegreen>Driver "fbdev"
20:40<mdz>man 4x fbdev says it is unaccelerated too
20:40<moegreen>errr...hmm...let me check my screen setup
20:40<moegreen>Section "Device"
20:40<moegreen>Identifier "Matrox G400"
20:40<moegreen>Driver "mga"
20:40<moegreen>Option "UseFBDev" "on"
20:41* poptixwonders which card is being used
20:41<poptix>ah, thought so
20:44<moegreen>I grabbed this card off of ebay. Had to update the card's firmware, but it works for me :)
20:45<poptix>| 4 | /dev/video0 | /dev/dsp | /dev/vbi | MPEG | Television | 0 | |
20:45<poptix>moegreen: does that somewhat resemble your setup?
20:45<poptix>well, the 'Television' part is the one i'm concerned about
20:46<moegreen>| 1 | /dev/video1 | /dev/dsp | MPEG | 0 | bopgun | /dev/vbi | Tuner 0 |
20:46<moegreen>so ... no
20:47<moegreen>poptix: test_ioctl -d /dev/video -n
20:48<moegreen>err will list your inputs (assuming you put in the correct device)
20:49<poptix>it's 'Tuner 0'
20:50<poptix>i'm just not getting any OSD info, and I can't change channels =p
20:50<poptix>unless i'm supposed to be using the external channel changing
20:50<moegreen>poptix: you should match your source id in the videosource table to the sourceid in the cardinput table
20:51<poptix>that fixed it
20:52<poptix>moegreen: that was already setup right
20:52<poptix>using the external channel changer fixed the OSD, and channel changing
20:52<moegreen>poptix: what's your external channel changer?
20:52<poptix>the that came with the ivtv driver
20:52<Chutt>you shouldn't have to use that
20:52<Chutt>it changes channels w/ v4l2
20:53<moegreen>hmm...well, ok...but mythtv can change the channel without it
20:53<poptix>and now it works
20:54<poptix>only change i made in the DB was changing 'Television' to 'Tuner 0'
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20:54<poptix>when I added the capture card, it did not give me the inputs to select from
20:54<poptix>(and defaulted to 'Television' after i exited and came back)
20:56<poptix>Chutt: looks very good
20:57<poptix>fyi, grabbing the 'dvd formatted' output from this card, and burning directly to DVD looks excellent on a television
20:58<poptix>looked better than tuning into the channel to begin with =p
21:13<Chutt>there, bunch of screenshots updated
21:13<Chutt>just need to do the osd stuff
21:15<moegreen>and maybe an alt. epg with the alpha blending and a few less channels? :)
21:16<Chutt>i'll do that next
21:16<Chutt>or, you want to take one real quick?
21:17<moegreen>i can't get the video w/ it
21:18<inman>Chutt: do you know how well the QString hashing works? eg. if I have two variables holding an identical string, do they both consume memory?
21:18<Chutt>i'm not sure
21:18<inman>or does it only reference count when you do `string2 = string1`?
21:18<Chutt>i think it may only do that
21:18<Chutt>since, c++ strings only do that
21:23<Chutt>thinkin 'bout the music stuff?
21:23<Chutt>really, we're pretty much ok for ram usage
21:24<Chutt>could be better, but it's not obscenely huge
21:24<inman>i would like to see those changes so that i could port some of my own code from a previous project.
21:24<Chutt>freeamp's internal metadata store worked like that
21:24<inman>i have stuff that rips discs to flac and then lets you burn virtually-exact duplicates of the discs.
21:25<inman>but, of course, my schema is pretty advanced and i'd like to see myth closer to my model before i propose adding my feature.
21:28<inman>frankly, i don't see why people care about memory.
21:28<inman>it's cheap right now, and we're not talking about a few hundred meg of resident, we're talking about 30-40meg.
21:30<inman>mozilla-1.3 is at 42meg /resident/.
21:31<thor_>Chutt, were you serious about putting music in backend?
21:31<Chutt>in the library, at least
21:31<thor_>the metadata and playlists?
21:31<inman>streaming files to music from backend is on my todo.
21:31<Chutt>i dunno
21:32<Chutt>at least the playback core
21:32<thor_>I thought we had this discussion before, and you were dead set against
21:32<moegreen>Chutt: don't forget to update the wording on the screenshots page while you're in there "With the upcoming 0.8 release, you can use an alternate ..."
21:35<moegreen>Chutt: what do you think about about the "(4) Program Guide (6) Program Finder" option - now that each can be selected from a menu - should this option be removed?
21:35<Chutt>i dunno
21:35<Chutt>it's still kind of handy
21:35<Chutt>but, they're not needed anymore
21:35<Chutt>thor, really?
21:35<Chutt>i've mulled it over in here a few times
21:36<moegreen>Chutt: I agree (at least going from Program Guide to finder) the other way doesn't work when the finder is called from the menu (hitting 4 just exits it)
21:36<moegreen>Is there a way I could determine if the menu called the finder or the guide? I suppose a flag in the function call...
21:36<thor_>Chutt, at least in the context of holding the metadata (since it can be arbitrarily large)
21:36<Chutt>i don't want the metadata in core at all times
21:37<Chutt>moegreen, how's that alt-epg screenshot?
21:37<thor_>ah, that's the vehemence I recall =)
21:38<moegreen>We don't get Seinfeld at 11 pm here.
21:39<Chutt>it's on at 11:30, too
21:39<Chutt>seinfeld's on all day, everyday
21:39<moegreen>not sure if 3 channels is very useful - maybe 5?
21:40<Chutt>3's fine
21:40<moegreen>alright :)
21:40<Chutt>if you want more take it yourself =)
21:45<poptix>inman: i've got 768M of ram, who cares about 40-50 =p
21:45<poptix>(not that i want programs to waste it..)
21:46<inman>as i said in an earlier message, i'm all for efficiency.
21:46<poptix>i find it amusing when people complain about only having 20-30 megs free under linux
21:47<poptix>'how do i make linux not use so much memory for buffers?!'
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21:47<poptix>even after explaining that it's just buffers, that can be freed as soon as that memory is needed, they still don't want it being used
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21:48<inman>'perform less i/o to disk' ;-)
21:48<inman>windows uses disk buffers, too.
21:48<inman>you'd think... ah, nm.
21:50<poptix>i help run #linux on efnet
21:50<TheAsp>whoah, mytbackend uses 30% more cpu when im playing then recording
21:50<poptix>my ego grows every day as i watch more idiots walk in the door asking horribly dumb questions.
21:51<poptix>root 13500 0.4 0.6 39776 5076 pts/1 S 19:53 0:20 mythbackend
21:51<poptix>root 13508 20.2 2.8 57932 21860 pts/1 S 19:53 11:42 mythfrontend
21:51<poptix>live tv, 720x480
21:51<TheAsp>poptix: hah, i did that before temp took over
21:52<poptix>only reason it's using that much cpu is because of the deinterlace filters =p
21:52* poptixshould try it w/o
21:52<TheAsp>didnt last week :P
21:53<Chutt>and because it's not using direct rendering
21:53<TheAsp>uh, the backend?
21:53<Chutt>no, the frontend :p
21:53<Chutt>notice how his backend is using 0 cpu =)
21:53<TheAsp>ohh, i was talking about me :P
21:53<TheAsp>sorry, one track mind :P
21:54<Chutt>poptix, a/v sync is ok?
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21:56<poptix>Chutt: yeah
21:57<Timon>Chutt: In libs/libmythtv/tv_play.cpp when I try to do ChangeChannelByString with a arbitrary string, it locks up. I've traced the lock to something inside of activenvp->Pause(); Any ideas on what to do to get around this issue?
22:03<poptix>Chutt: in fact, the a/v sync is perfect, as far as i can tell
22:03<poptix>and i'm usually pretty sensitive (ie, annoyed) by bad sync
22:04<Chutt>timon, no idea
22:05<poptix>i think i'm disturbing the birds outside with this high pitched whine
22:06<Chutt>you're probably damaging your hearing forever
22:06<Chutt>yall should chime in on the ivtv list
22:06<Chutt>though i don't think moegreen's subscribed =)
22:06<moegreen>heh - not yet, I guess I should
22:07<Chutt>eh, once the driver's more mature, traffic should die down on it
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22:17* poptixchimes
22:17<poptix>i wonder if i can filter this out
22:23<moegreen>heh, oops
22:26<poptix>Temporary Holding Page
22:26<poptix>2003-02-05: The webserver that serves this domain has suffered a hardware failure.
22:29<nziarek>oops! sorry!
22:30<moegreen>heh, now why would you need to go to :)
22:30<nziarek>moegreen: my radar image in MythWeather is from 8am
22:31<nziarek>but the most recent one is from 10p on
22:31<nziarek>(that's why :)
22:31<_shad>there's radar images in mythweather now>
22:31<nziarek>_shad: sa-weet
22:31<Tack>_shad: Yes, and it's most cool.
22:31<_shad>I long to use cvs :(
22:32<_shad>I wanna see screenshots :)
22:32<moegreen> is what you're missing: :)
22:33<moegreen>nziarek: running it as the same user and everything? How recent is the cvs mythweather you got? Chutt changed something because he was having problems with the temporary file
22:33<moegreen>nziarek: you might also want to try and up your aggressiveness level some
22:34<Tack>I had to hack the source and set my aggressiveness level since 15 wasn't high enough.
22:34<nziarek>moegreen: i think i DL'd it yesterday, so i'll update...
22:35<moegreen>Tack: Did you get it working then?
22:35<Tack>moegreen: Yep.
22:36<Tack>I was doing an upload when I was playing with mythweather, and my ISP sucks and throttles the hell out of my connecvtion when I UL (somtimes lag to my upstream router is 3 seconds).
22:36<poptix>holy cow
22:36<poptix>Chutt, still around?
22:37<_shad>moegreen: Does that work for canada too?
22:37<Tack>I'm in Canada, and it works for me.
22:37<Tack>My little ole city is even listed.
22:37<poptix>it's 15.7khz
22:37<moegreen>yeah - though the canadian maps aren't as close-up. It's worldwide and each region has slightly different maps
22:38<_shad>I think I will be using mythweather cvs now
22:38<_shad>screw 0.8 stuff
22:38<TheAsp>hey, i work for environment canada
22:39<moegreen>_shad: you'll need the libmyth cvs stuff from mythtv's cvs ... so ...
22:39<nziarek>moegreen: no dice, and my aggressiveness is at 15
22:39<nziarek>all the other data comes in
22:39<_shad>moegreen: :(
22:40<nziarek>where does it save the file? I can just delete it and try again
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22:40<moegreen>nziarek: try setting the debug = false; to a debug = true; in the weather.cpp file, it will give you a lot of debugging output which is really helpful
22:40<_shad>moegreen: not possible to run the cvs frontend, and a 0.8 backend?
22:40<moegreen>nziarek: /tmp/weather.jpg <- if you don't have permission (different user running it now, etc) that might be giving you the problems
22:41<moegreen>_shad: not sure ... probably not because their libraries are pretty common between the two
22:41<thor_>Hmm, Asp, Tack, PeteCool, me ... dangerous number of Canadians around
22:41<moegreen>(i'm surrounded)
22:41<Tack>It's a slow and steady world domination.
22:41<thor_>totally, eh?
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22:44<rcaskey>hmmm, how much are these legendery hardware encoding cards ;)
22:45<poptix>they're excellent
22:45<TheAsp>hmm, i get an image claiming to be doppler radar for all of na...
22:45<TheAsp>though i dont see how it can be doppler radar as it covers too much area here
22:45<rcaskey>mmm futurama on DVD is great
22:46<rcaskey>its 4x3 though :(
22:46<moegreen>TheAsp: it's taking doppler data from all over to create that image
22:46<moegreen>rcaskey: ~$130 USD
22:46<moegreen>TheAsp: I guess
22:46<TheAsp>moegreen: *nod* but i know where the radar stations are in eastern canada :)
22:47<rcaskey>moegreen: eek
22:47* rcaskeyputs on his wishlist for hardware support ;)
22:47<_shad>I hate computers.
22:48<TheAsp>Would it be possible to chose your own URL to grab for the images?
22:48<moegreen>TheAsp: I guess I could add that feature - not sure how that URL would be put into the db
22:49<TheAsp>us canadians have access to very good local weather stuffs :)
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22:51<nziarek>moegreen: on my wishlist for mythweather is animated maps :-)
22:52<nziarek>by the way, i don't know what I changed, but now it is rw the whole way through
22:52<moegreen>nziarek: it is certainly possible and the data is avail., but not very useful
22:53<Chutt>poptix, yes?
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22:55<TheAsp>mythweather looks really good with my dark sasquatch theme :P
22:55<_shad>Chutt: It wouldn't be possible to use a cvs frontend, and a 0.8 backend, would it? :P
22:55<Chutt>no, it wouldn't
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22:56<_shad>Geez, either I can live he wild life, or use a nice stable program. hard choice :)
22:57<Chutt>cvs should be stabler than 0.8
22:57<Chutt>at this point
22:57<_shad>You're tempting me chutt...
22:57<nziarek>_shad: you can't know much less than me, and I use CVS, until they say not too :)
22:57<_shad>collect2: ld terminated with signal 11 [Segmentation fault]
22:57<_shad>heh, my computer doesn't seem too stable
22:58<_shad>nziarek: I used cvs from the start, but when mdz came out with the 0.8 debs, I got lazy, and it just damn works, but I miss all the new shit :(
22:59<rcaskey>anyone here have directtv & HDTV?
22:59<_shad>and I have slow computers :)
22:59<nziarek>_shad: ah...i have mandrake and have never used debs, but I find cvs pretty easy and updates, etc...dunno
22:59<PeteCool>TheAsp: which place are you getting your weather data from?
22:59<_shad>nziarek: yea, I might go back
22:59<_shad><<<<<<< Makefile
22:59<_shad># Generated by qmake (1.04a) (Qt 3.1.1) on: Tue Mar 11 21:43:01 2003
22:59<_shad># Generated by qmake (1.04a) (Qt 3.1.1) on: Tue Apr 8 13:22:29 2003
22:59<_shad>>>>>>>> 1.23
23:00<_shad>but.. is my cvs update line wrong?
23:00<Chutt>nice spike
23:00<_shad>should I be using co, or update?
23:00<poptix>it's constant
23:00<Chutt>right above 15k
23:01<Chutt>the variation is mpeg encoding cruft
23:01<Chutt>(above and below it)
23:02<nziarek>bah. switched to vedrana for iulius (again :) and now i gotta redo it all :-P stay tuned for a totally different iulius.5!
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23:02<Chutt>so, glad to see it's measurable =)
23:04<poptix>i sent that off to the list
23:04<Chutt>nziarek, i used a couple shots of .4 on the website
23:05<Chutt>yeah, just got your email
23:05<Chutt>i'll be pissed if that gets action while my emails didn't :p
23:20<poptix>mine has pretty pictures
23:22<poptix>i've also noticed it doesn't seem to be there on channels not broadcasting in stereo
23:23<poptix>(but the whine is on both channels, on stereo stations)
23:27<_shad> n_ Opt devel g++-3.3 <none> 3.3-0pre4 The GNU C++ compiler
23:27<_shad>safe? :)
23:28<_shad>you using 3.2.x?
23:28<_shad>I trust you. heh
23:29<_shad> *** Imp base libstdc++5 3.2.3-0pre8 3.3-0pre4 The GNU Standard C++ Libr
23:30<_shad>that's not good, is it?
23:30<Chutt>well, it might be safe
23:30<_shad>Right now I'm getting sig11's from building cvs
23:30<_shad>but it's not the cpu
23:31<_shad>and I've nuked the MC dir and rechecked out
23:31<_shad>I run it like 15 times
23:31<_shad>and still does it
23:31<_shad>it's weird
23:31<_shad>and the puter is not oc'd
23:32<_shad>I'll try the new 3.3.0
23:32<_shad>I'll let ya know :)
23:32<thor_>_shad, that happened a lot to me on one machine (with Myth) till I put some heat sinks on the RAM. Stopped completely
23:32<_shad>this is only a p3-450
23:33<_shad>I just think there's something wrong with the compiler
23:33<_shad>I haven't compiled anything in over a month
23:33<_shad>but been doing regular updates
23:33<poptix>this is actually a pretty cool program
23:33<Chutt>i had a celery-533 overheat recently
23:34<Chutt>heatsink had come completely off
23:34<poptix>Chutt: doh
23:34<poptix>i installed a dual Athlon MP 2200+ last week
23:34<_shad>did the little plastic clip break?
23:34<Chutt>that's the machine that's running, btw =)
23:34<_shad>did it start beeping?
23:34<poptix>the idiot who assembled it didn't put any thermal paste on it, because he thought the pink squares of god-knows-what were sufficient
23:34<Chutt>poptix, we've had that problem
23:35<Chutt>(at work)
23:35<poptix>everyone knows that stuff is meant to be scraped off and disposed of =p
23:35<Chutt>and, yes, baudline is a very neat program =)
23:35<poptix>Chutt: played with it before?
23:35<poptix>i'm whistling
23:36<thor_>Chutt, this friggin seg fault on mad decoding is going to drive me insane. I've been poking at it on and off for three days now. Do you a single mp3 around?
23:36<Chutt>nope, i don't
23:36<Chutt>it wasn't that overflow?
23:37<thor_>Overflow is a symptom
23:37<thor_>but there are other ways to crash it as well
23:37<thor_>it's something more fundamental
23:38<thor_>I can get it to crash on event dispatching as well
23:38<thor_>it's somewhere in the mutex's and wait's
23:39<thor_>but being a week-old expert in threads, I'm pulling my hair out
23:39<thor_>ah .... there, I've vented a bit .... back to it
23:40<Chutt>let it sit for a bit
23:40<Chutt>do something else
23:41<thor_>maybe watch a little tv even
23:43<poptix>tv rots your brain
23:43<poptix>or something.
23:44<Ndiin>poptix: Then does working on mythtv rot it, too? I hope not ;)
23:45<poptix>Ndiin: pvr's reduce the rotting signifigantly.
23:45<thor_>Ndiin, hey ... I thought I had it there for a while. Thanks for the e-mail
23:46<Ndiin>thor_: sure.. thats what valgrind pointed me to.. I'm more lost than you as for fixing it, though.
23:46<thor_>I'll get there ... but not tonight
23:47<thor_>Chutt told me I could go watch tv before bed =)
23:47<Chutt>no no no
23:47<Chutt>you must work on themeing the playback box instead
23:47<Chutt>no tv for you
23:48<Chutt>mythvideo could use it, too
23:48<Chutt>and would be, well, easy, i think =)
23:48<Chutt>since it's just a list
23:48<Ndiin>a list and a logo (if that)
23:48<Chutt>and some text
23:49<Chutt>and maybe eventually other info, if someone ever feels like scraping imdb based on the filename
23:49<thor_>and everytime I sit down to finish theming the playbackbox in mythmusic, I think to myself ... you know ... I bet I can find that segfault if i try this ...
23:49<Chutt>thor, heh =)
23:52<nziarek>if i do the How-To error trace thing right after a segfault, is that informatoin of interest to anyone, or is it more if I want to debug it?
23:52<Chutt>did it crash while in gdb?
23:53<Chutt>that's of interest to me, as long as things were recompiled for debugging
23:53<Chutt>and there's not a lot of ?????s in the backtrace =)
23:53<nziarek>A. i don't know what gdb is :) and B. it has segfaulting a lot lately. i was thinking I would compile it with debugging, but i don't know what it means
23:53<_shad>poor chutt
23:54<Chutt>what are you doing when it crashes?
23:54<Chutt>might be something i've fixed, etc =)
23:54<thor_>Chutt, I can generate arbitrary number of backtraces
23:55<Chutt>all different?
23:55<Chutt>yeah, but you've got a subtle issue
23:55<Chutt>moegreen, did you change the uitypes/xmlparse stuff recently?
23:55<nziarek>well, it certainly seems like nothing on the backend...i come home after not touching it and it has segfaulted.
23:56<nziarek>i can get the frontend to segfault prety easy, but I also forget to close tags and such in my themes :-)
23:56<thor_>and cout's don't help because it changes the thread timings enough that the segfault almost never happens with them in
23:56<Chutt>thor, yup
23:56<Chutt>moegreen, when you change the size of an object in libmyth (like uitypes or xmlparse)
23:56<Chutt>by adding or removing member variables
23:57<Chutt>could you increment the MYTH_BINARY_VERSION string in mythcontext.h?
23:58<Chutt>that'll make things give an error about incompatibilities instead of just segfaulting =)
23:59<Chutt>mythweather was dying when i went into the config
23:59<Chutt>and the stuff you added to uitypes.h a bit earlier was why =)
23:59<moegreen>heh, sorry
23:59<Chutt>the size of the object in mythweather was different than the size of the object in libmyth
23:59<Chutt>because of the additional variables
23:59<Chutt>no biggy =)