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| 00:00 | <Chutt> | allright |
| 00:00 | <Chutt> | 3 bugs down |
| 00:00 | <Chutt> | i'd say that's plenty for the evening |
| 00:01 | <rkulagow_> | go watch some tv or something |
| 00:01 | <Chutt> | got a book to read |
| 00:01 | <rkulagow_> | that's good too. |
| 00:01 | <inman> | nighty night Chutt |
| 00:02 | <Chutt> | i've actually got about 7 books to read |
| 00:02 | <Chutt> | stupid code taking up too much time |
| 00:14 | <Chutt> | inman, heh, that delayed open stuff doesn't quite work in mythmusic :( |
| 00:14 | <inman> | why not? |
| 00:14 | <Chutt> | guess it's because i'm ignoring the error messages to the playback box |
| 00:14 | <Chutt> | it just sits there, there's no indication that anything's wrong |
| 00:15 | <inman> | oh, so you want to change error() to cerr? |
| 00:15 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 00:15 | <Chutt> | i'll do it |
| 00:15 | <inman> | makes sense. |
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| 00:24 | <solarce> | and now for the big question, is MythTV specific to Linux only, or has there been any success running it on any of the *BSDs? |
| 00:25 | <Chutt> | take a wild guess |
| 00:25 | <solarce> | well, I have looked over the site, and it doesn't mention anything about needing v4l, which is the only thing I can think of that would keep it from not working on freebsd, but I am gonna guess no and pray I am wrong |
| 00:26 | <Chutt> | how could it not need v4l? |
| 00:26 | <Chutt> | it's doing video capture, and that's the only way to do it |
| 00:26 | <Chutt> | in linux, at least |
| 00:26 | <solarce> | that is where I cry |
| 00:27 | <solarce> | now I must re-evaluate some of my plans |
| 00:27 | * solarce | buggers off |
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| 00:28 | <orangey> | hehehe |
| 00:30 | <Chutt> | the kid's a dumbass, know him from another channel |
| 00:32 | <Timon> | Somehow I managed to get a 500mb log file from mythbackend :-) |
| 00:32 | <Timon> | make that 51mb |
| 00:37 | <orangey> | hehehe : ) |
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| 00:47 | * inman | licks his mouth and smiles. |
| 00:52 | <bline> | anyone know if someone has written a complete set of myth* ebuilds for gentoo? |
| 00:52 | <bline> | cvs ebuilds that is |
| 00:53 | <inman> | yes, they are in the mailing-list archives. |
| 00:54 | <inman> | but, if you're that lazy, you probably shouldn't be using cvs. :-) |
| 00:57 | <bline> | all I found was a mythtv-cvs, not all the things like mythmusic-cvs etc.. |
| 00:58 | <bline> | I was only asking because I wrote them all in my process of installing gentoo and wanted to know if anyone would have a need for them besides me. |
| 00:58 | <inman> | submit them to gentoo, i guess. |
| 00:59 | <inman> | i run gentoo, but i wouldn't use an ebuild and i know isaac doesn't want people using cvs from packages. |
| 00:59 | <bline> | s/installing gentoo/installing myth/ |
| 00:59 | <inman> | i'm not sure if this applies... my guess is he'd rather you just posted them to the list. |
| 01:00 | <bline> | i can't see why installing the cvs version from an ebuild would be a problem. |
| 01:00 | <bline> | it simple automates my doing it |
| 01:01 | <bline> | man, lots of typing mistakes tonight, i must be tired |
| 01:01 | <inman> | 'cause people might not pay attention to the fact that they are using cvs. |
| 01:01 | <bline> | yeah, i guess it's different for the general public |
| 01:01 | <inman> | you enter into a sort of social contract when you use cvs, the way i see it. |
| 01:01 | <bline> | yeah, I agree. |
| 01:01 | <inman> | ie. if you use cvs, you are expected not to complain about stability, to contribute patches and/or decent bug reports, etc. |
| 01:02 | <bline> | and I guess "people" will be less likly to be responsible if it's a package |
| 01:02 | <inman> | not having cvs packages means that there's a larger barrier for entry. |
| 01:02 | <orangey> | I agree with inman.. |
| 01:02 | <orangey> | if you want to make packages, why not make them of the normal ones? |
| 01:02 | <bline> | he's convenced me too |
| 01:03 | <orangey> | I just think of myself.. I'm running CVS and yet I'm still an annoying pain in the ass.. |
| 01:03 | <bline> | i simply wanted an automated way to get cvs and install it |
| 01:03 | <orangey> | bline: The fact you have created said way is great. |
| 01:03 | <inman> | it's not hard enough, or, it's just hard enough. depends on how you look at it. :-) |
| 01:04 | <bline> | well, emerge does nice things like clean up cruft, protect config files etc |
| 01:04 | <bline> | so there is more here than automation |
| 01:04 | <inman> | hey, i agree, i run gentoo. |
| 01:04 | <orangey> | bline: Why not start this conversation on the list? |
| 01:04 | <inman> | but, i don't think it's appropriate to use an ebuild for cvs. |
| 01:05 | <bline> | dunno, it's easier here heh |
| 01:05 | <inman> | as a developer, i'd like to be able to use you (a tester) more. |
| 01:06 | <inman> | i dunno, i'm sorta talking outta my ass here since i just started with gentoo and have very little familiarity with how easy it is to hack at a build. |
| 01:10 | <bline> | if i knew c++ id probably help out with patches and such |
| 01:11 | <bline> | guess there is no time like the present to start picking it up |
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| 01:12 | <st203> | hey guys, I was wondering how much better the new wintv pvr is with mythtv |
| 01:12 | <st203> | over the bt878 chipset |
| 01:13 | <st203> | the wintv pvr 250 |
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| 01:35 | <st203> | does the gentoo ebuilds for mythtv work good? |
| 01:35 | <st203> | do |
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| 02:15 | <Timon> | inman, Cloak thanks for your help. Worked like a charm |
| 02:16 | <inman> | wow, that's a pleasant surprise. |
| 02:16 | <Timon> | hahaha, you didn't think it would? |
| 02:17 | <inman> | i would not expect success given just a few lines of suggestion. |
| 02:20 | <Timon> | yeah the dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb bs=1M |
| 02:20 | <Timon> | worked like a charm. I fell asleep while I waited for it to work its mojo, but it worked fine! |
| 02:21 | <inman> | heh, but your drive is only 100gig. |
| 02:21 | <Timon> | Yup, I reinstalled my linux partition cause I wanted to upgrade to mandrake 9.1 and made my linux partition 64gb |
| 02:22 | <inman> | well, that's one solution. :-) |
| 02:22 | <Timon> | Man, this brings back memories. The first hd I bought was a 1.2gb Quantum Bigfoot |
| 02:22 | <Timon> | inman, hehe, yup :-) |
| 02:23 | <Timon> | I just read on fuckedcompany.com that gist.com is going down (Confirming what that one guy said on the list last week) |
| 02:23 | <inman> | yep. |
| 02:23 | <Timon> | that 1.2gb quantum I had was the biggest pos in the world |
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| 06:01 | <bline> | anyone around? |
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| 10:08 | <Chutt> | "Isaac. I understand that myth is using mplayer internally to display the picture?" |
| 10:08 | <Chutt> | that's just insulting |
| 10:09 | <vektor> | Probably thinking of freevo. |
| 10:09 | <Tack_> | Yeah |
| 10:09 | <Tack_> | Don't be too offended. :) |
| 10:09 | <Chutt> | this was a guy who was going to contribute code |
| 10:09 | <Tack_> | Ignorant people can learn. It doesn't mean they're dumb. Just ignorant. :) |
| 10:09 | <Chutt> | nope |
| 10:09 | <Chutt> | means they're dumb |
| 10:10 | <Tack_> | I've had my fair share of ignorant statements. And I'm not dumb. My mommy told me so. |
| 10:10 | <Chutt> | yeah, she told you you were special, too, right? =) |
| 10:10 | <Tack_> | And very handsome. |
| 10:11 | <vektor> | Chutt: A friend sent me some output from the PVR-250. |
| 10:11 | <vektor> | Chutt: It seems reasonable. |
| 10:11 | <Chutt> | it's pretty decent |
| 10:11 | <vektor> | The chroma looks interlaced as well as the video. |
| 10:11 | <Chutt> | there's some weird ghosting going on with recent driver versions |
| 10:12 | <Chutt> | at non 240 or 480 wide resolutions |
| 10:12 | <Chutt> | err, not that |
| 10:12 | <Chutt> | <-- still sleepy |
| 10:12 | <vektor> | jeez, i almost thought you were ignorant for a sec there. |
| 10:12 | <Chutt> | if it's not at 720 wide, there's ghosts |
| 10:12 | <vektor> | ok. |
| 10:12 | <Chutt> | could be either a driver issue or a decoder issue |
| 10:13 | <Chutt> | i'm thinking driver, though |
| 10:13 | <vektor> | fair bet at this point i think. |
| 10:13 | <vektor> | i want someone to buy my a PVR-250. |
| 10:13 | <vektor> | i don't feel like spending money. |
| 10:13 | <Chutt> | i want someone to silence this noisy power supply fan |
| 10:13 | <Chutt> | i'm too lazy to do it myself =) |
| 10:13 | <vektor> | ;-) |
| 10:14 | <Chutt> | this damn computer with 2 40mm fans is well over twice as loud as my box with 4 80mm fans, a pci slot thingie, and a fan on the gf4 |
| 10:14 | <vektor> | ahahaha |
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| 10:28 | <Chutt> | hm |
| 10:28 | <Chutt> | directron has a pabst 40mm fan rated at 19dB |
| 10:29 | <Chutt> | of course, it's $18 :( |
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| 10:33 | <rkulagow_> | chutt: i can remove all that crap in the HOWTO about copying videodev2.h, correct? |
| 10:33 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 10:33 | <rkulagow_> | excellent. |
| 10:35 | <vektor> | Chutt: So you're using V4L2 now? |
| 10:35 | <Chutt> | the ivtv driver requires it |
| 10:35 | <vektor> | Did you just copy the videodev2.h into your app? |
| 10:35 | <vektor> | Oh, cute. |
| 10:35 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 10:35 | <rkulagow_> | going to have to get rid of all that gist.com stuff too. i think they're closing down today. |
| 10:35 | <vektor> | I'm going to have to do the V4L2 thing myself. |
| 10:35 | <vektor> | Too many things require it. |
| 10:35 | <Chutt> | since videodev2.h isn't user-land header safe |
| 10:35 | <vektor> | PAL-60 support, linux-dvb driver support, ... |
| 10:35 | <vektor> | What do you mean not user-land header safe? |
| 10:35 | <Chutt> | and i don't want to go including the actual kernel headers |
| 10:36 | <Chutt> | they include <linux/time.h> |
| 10:36 | <Chutt> | which conflicts with time.h and sys/time.h |
| 10:36 | <vektor> | Oh fucking hell. |
| 10:37 | <Chutt> | so instead of telling people to copy the v4l2 videodev and videodev2 headers |
| 10:37 | <Chutt> | to their /usr/include/linux dir |
| 10:37 | <Chutt> | then editing out a line of the videodev2.h |
| 10:37 | <Chutt> | i'm just including my own copy |
| 10:39 | <vektor> | yeah. |
| 10:39 | <vektor> | well fuck that's what gerd does in xawtv |
| 10:39 | <vektor> | and i guess that kinda pisses me off. |
| 10:39 | <Chutt> | it's stupid, but, people can't figure out how to do it |
| 10:39 | <Chutt> | i just have to watch for header changes |
| 10:39 | <vektor> | well i don't think it's the right solkution to tell people to copy it into /usr/include/linux |
| 10:40 | <Chutt> | i'm not going to include the actual kernel headers, though |
| 10:40 | <vektor> | of course not |
| 10:40 | <vektor> | the header should be fixed by gerd |
| 10:40 | <Chutt> | that's the whole point of having a stable set in /usr/include/ |
| 10:40 | <Chutt> | that's a separate issue =) |
| 10:40 | <vektor> | i don't think it is |
| 10:40 | <Chutt> | sure it is |
| 10:40 | <vektor> | jsut post a complaint to video4linux-list |
| 10:40 | <vektor> | and we can discuss a solution |
| 10:40 | <Chutt> | v4l2 is not included in most distributions stable set of header files |
| 10:41 | <Chutt> | so unless i want to locate and find the actual kernel source with the v4l2 headers |
| 10:41 | <Chutt> | people have to copy it into /usr/include/linux (if i weren't including my own copy) |
| 10:42 | <vektor> | yeah, you have to include your own copy i guess. |
| 10:42 | <vektor> | i don't think you should ask users to install it in /usr/include/linux |
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| 12:03 | <mdz> | yes, they definitely shouldn't mess with /usr/include/linux |
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| 13:24 | <inman> | i hate web forums, but how about a forum format for hardware comments. |
| 13:24 | <inman> | eg. a thread for each capture/sound/video card where people can post their success/complaints/whatever. |
| 13:24 | <inman> | then the docs could direct people there instead of having them wash up on the mailing-lists... |
| 13:26 | <rkulagow_> | howabout i sell pre-configured hardware? i'll make oodles of cash, and send some to chutt and mdz and captain murdoch, etc. |
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| 13:26 | <rkulagow_> | (i get about 1 a week in my inbox because my name is on the HOWTO) |
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| 13:32 | <Chutt> | rkulagow, you probably get more random email like that than i do =) |
| 13:32 | <moegreen> | heh |
| 13:33 | <__inman> | gonna try joining a bunch of high-traffic channels in order to maintain my connection. |
| 13:33 | <rkulagow_> | bunches. i've stopped forwarding them, unless you really want them. |
| 13:33 | <Chutt> | you just ignore em, or what? |
| 13:33 | <mdz> | if you want to start selling support, I'll forward all the private emails I get asking how to run setup |
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| 13:35 | <rkulagow_> | well, for the most part, i try to direct them either to the lead programmer or to the mailing list. i figure if they can't even figure out that i'm _not_ the author of Myth (although i've helped with the docs, and it's pretty blatantly stated) then i wouldn't want to spend the cycles on them anyway. |
| 13:36 | <Chutt> | mdz, hey, is the libstdc++ stuff fixed yet? |
| 13:36 | <mdz> | Chutt: I think there's a fixed package in incoming |
| 13:36 | <Chutt> | rkulagow, then you do more than i do.. i tend to just ignore most of the help requests people send me off list |
| 13:36 | <mdz> | I just backed out to the old one yesterday and haven't upgraded since |
| 13:36 | <Chutt> | i got one the other day that said 'Please Help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!' |
| 13:36 | <Chutt> | that's the correct number of !s |
| 13:36 | <mdz> | the ones with that many exclamation points go straight in the bit bucket |
| 13:37 | <mdz> | any email for that matter |
| 13:37 | <Chutt> | mdz, i was doing a new install yesterday |
| 13:37 | <Chutt> | and |
| 13:37 | <Chutt> | whoever's incharge of the installer rewrite needs to be relieved of his duties |
| 13:37 | <mdz> | you did an install with d-i:? |
| 13:37 | <Chutt> | tried out the testing netinst cd |
| 13:38 | <Chutt> | it's absolute crap |
| 13:38 | <mdz> | is the testing netinst CD boot-floppies or d-i? |
| 13:38 | <Chutt> | d-i, i believe |
| 13:38 | <mdz> | I think it's b-f |
| 13:38 | <Chutt> | no curses menu, just plain text |
| 13:38 | <mdz> | ah, maybe d-i then |
| 13:38 | <Chutt> | failed completely the 7 or 8 times i tried it |
| 13:38 | <mdz> | its published status is "not even close" |
| 13:38 | <Chutt> | got as far as installing the base system, then it'd _segfault_ |
| 13:38 | <Chutt> | i know |
| 13:39 | <Chutt> | but like, i was seriously tempted to go to redhat or something =) |
| 13:39 | <Chutt> | so i had to grab the stable netinst image |
| 13:41 | <rkulagow_> | chutt: is there a reason you commented out the code in scheduler.cpp that states what's going on? i modified what you had to make it a little more verbose; lets me know what's going when mythbackend all of a sudden starts new threads and i don't know why. |
| 13:41 | <rkulagow_> | + cout << "Started recording: \"" << nextRecording->title |
| 13:41 | <rkulagow_> | + << "\" on channel: " << (nextRecording->chanid.toInt())-1000 << endl; |
| 13:41 | <mdz> | what's wrong with the stable CDs? |
| 13:41 | <Chutt> | mdz, it was a pain last year when i tried to go from stable -> unstable |
| 13:42 | <Chutt> | worked ok this time, though |
| 13:42 | <mdz> | that's what I've always done |
| 13:42 | <Chutt> | rkulagow, just figured it was too much output |
| 13:42 | <mdz> | install just base from the stable CD, then point to unstable for the rest of the install |
| 13:42 | <mdz> | so base gets upgraded and everything else comes straight from unstable |
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| 13:42 | <Chutt> | that didn't work so well when i put together my first mythtv box |
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| 13:45 | <__inman> | what are some high-traffic channels on freenode? |
| 13:45 | <Chutt> | #debian |
| 13:45 | <Chutt> | no? |
| 13:46 | <__inman> | thanks |
| 13:46 | <__inman> | i need traffic at least once per minute, preferably fasters. |
| 13:46 | <__inman> | s/s// |
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| 13:52 | <Chutt> | cute |
| 13:52 | <Universe> | Hey Chutt |
| 13:53 | <Chutt> | howdy |
| 13:53 | <Universe> | You got some artists making OSD/Menus now, aye? |
| 13:53 | <Universe> | looking nice... |
| 13:54 | <Chutt> | moegreen is |
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| 13:59 | <_no_inman> | i gotta get a beefier nat box. |
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| 14:24 | <Universe> | good job, moegreen... |
| 14:30 | <Chutt> | hmm |
| 14:31 | <Chutt> | apparently i need to use alsa 0.9.0-pre6 to get sound to work properly on this board |
| 14:32 | <Universe> | Chutt, has anyone started selling pre-made Mythtv boxes yet? |
| 14:32 | <Chutt> | not that i know of |
| 14:32 | <Universe> | There was alot of talk about that last time I was here, several months ago.. |
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| 14:47 | <rkulagow_> | chutt: i've got that VERBOSE macro stuff worked out for the backend. mythbackend now has an additional parameter -v or --verbose; i've added some VERBOSE printouts in mainserver.cpp just to make sure that it works, and it seems to turn on / off correctly depending on how mythbackend was called. |
| 14:48 | <Chutt> | cool. |
| 14:48 | <Chutt> | i'd like to see the diff before you commit, ok? |
| 14:49 | <rkulagow_> | sure; it's got some other stuff mixed in like the rest of the date / time printouts that i'd started, so it's not totally clean. |
| 14:49 | <Chutt> | that's fine |
| 14:49 | <rkulagow_> | ok |
| 14:49 | <Chutt> | i just want to see it =) |
| 14:52 | <rkulagow_> | ok, mailed it from the rocketmail account |
| 14:55 | <Chutt> | hmm |
| 14:55 | <Chutt> | know what |
| 14:55 | <rkulagow_> | send it |
| 14:55 | <Chutt> | why don't you add that to mythcontext.h |
| 14:55 | <Chutt> | and add a global variable for verbose, instead |
| 14:55 | <rkulagow_> | (so it's available everywhere, right?) |
| 14:55 | <Chutt> | exactly |
| 14:57 | <rkulagow_> | and the rest of the little shit like the date/time, can i just put that in if i seperate out the VERBOSE from the mainserver.cpp stuff? |
| 14:57 | <Chutt> | of course |
| 15:00 | <poptix> | blah. |
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| 15:02 | <poptix> | Chutt: i really don't understand how people can tell you you're wrong on the list |
| 15:03 | <poptix> | re, David Engel |
| 15:04 | <Universe> | pop.. Chutt is only the developer of the system... He is always group. ;-) |
| 15:04 | <poptix> | he probably just got lucky before |
| 15:04 | <poptix> | and artsd was releasing the device when it wasn't in use |
| 15:04 | <Universe> | err always wrong |
| 15:04 | <poptix> | (it does that) |
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| 15:18 | <Chutt> | moegreen, looks nice =) |
| 15:19 | <moegreen> | thanks, there are a few things here and there that I want to change around, but ... in time :) |
| 15:20 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 15:21 | <Chutt> | the colorized/shaded method looks pretty nice |
| 15:22 | <moegreen> | yeah, it's quicker for sure |
| 15:22 | <Chutt> | well done =) |
| 15:22 | <poptix> | Chutt: the website is wrong |
| 15:22 | <poptix> | mythtv isn't a pvr, it's a toaster. |
| 15:23 | <poptix> | .. |
| 15:23 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 15:23 | <poptix> | you're wrong! all wrong |
| 15:24 | <Universe> | lol |
| 15:25 | <Chutt> | moegreen, no obvious bugs |
| 15:26 | <Universe> | his right, it isn't a pvr... its an all in one media box! |
| 15:26 | <moegreen> | yeah, well, actually the channel number & name doesn't show up when in live tv, but otherwise I think everything else is ok - unless you try and cram 8 channel into the 'live tv' grid - heh |
| 15:26 | <Chutt> | any thought on storing those rectCurILeft/rectCurITop/rectCurIWidth/rectCurIHeight things in a QRect? |
| 15:26 | <moegreen> | it doesn't break - just doesn't show any text |
| 15:27 | <moegreen> | Chutt: they get set in a QRect const right now I think - I wasn't sure if I could just set that directly or why it was a const |
| 15:27 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 15:27 | <Chutt> | might just be easier to use the rects |
| 15:28 | <moegreen> | Chutt: if you're updating screenshots later - the conflict resolution has yet to be updated |
| 15:29 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 15:29 | <Chutt> | i'll do that sometime today |
| 15:29 | <Chutt> | the epg and conflict resolution |
| 15:31 | <moegreen> | alright, well I'll be around later if there are problems - later |
| 15:31 | <Chutt> | cool =) |
| 15:43 | <Chutt> | great, the via82xx driver in 2.4.21-rc1 sounds normal, unlike alsa =) |
| 15:49 | <Universe> | heh... |
| 15:49 | <Universe> | is everything via82xx now? |
| 15:49 | <Universe> | geez.. |
| 15:50 | <Chutt> | no |
| 15:50 | <Chutt> | setting up new machine is all |
| 15:50 | <Universe> | was kidding |
| 15:50 | <Universe> | I have 2 mobos at home that use the via82xx driver for the on-board sound |
| 15:59 | <mdz> | I used to use via82cxxx_audio everywhere |
| 15:59 | <mdz> | but the most recent alsa in Debian finally works right with those devices |
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| 16:01 | <Chutt> | it's pure crackles, here |
| 16:06 | * Chutt | does a 'time make' in MC/ on the via box |
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| 16:17 | <orangey> | woohoo!!! |
| 16:17 | <orangey> | the new EPG is in CVS! : ) |
| 16:19 | <orangey> | alright, must go mail out my taxes.. bb shortly. |
| 16:24 | <[Drikus]> | Question about Deinterlace playback and epia-m. when enabled it segfaults, I did read this section http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-10.html#ss10.4 |
| 16:24 | <[Drikus]> | cat /proc/cpuinfo reads |
| 16:24 | <[Drikus]> | flags : fpu de tsc msr cx8 mtrr pge mmx 3dnow |
| 16:25 | <[Drikus]> | so no sse but 3dnow is there. |
| 16:26 | <[Drikus]> | compiled with i586 ofcourse. |
| 16:26 | <[Drikus]> | did anyone look into this ? |
| 16:26 | <mdz> | Chutt: that is how it was for me with older ALSA |
| 16:26 | <mdz> | might vary from one card to another though |
| 16:26 | <mdz> | s/card/device, whatever/ |
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| 16:27 | <Chutt> | i tried with whatever the latest is in unstable |
| 16:27 | <Chutt> | sometimes unloading/reloading the modules worked |
| 16:28 | <Chutt> | but then it'd go crackly again |
| 16:28 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 16:28 | <Chutt> | i hate updating debian right in the middle of mirror syncing or whatnot |
| 16:37 | <paperclip> | quick question .. is the ati aiw 900 pro a decent capture card? |
| 16:38 | <paperclip> | or should i just get a cheapo bttv? |
| 16:43 | <paperclip> | bleh.. anyway.. there's a pretty decent deal at dell small biz... p4/2.66 system ~$400 after 200 rebate.. |
| 16:45 | <paperclip> | ends today =( |
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| 16:58 | <mdz> | that'sa very old bug |
| 16:59 | <mdz> | it's like #12 or something |
| 16:59 | <mdz> | #6786 |
| 17:01 | <Cloak> | woohoo, finally got it working |
| 17:03 | <paperclip> | anyone know what the ATI drivers are like for the AIW 9000 pro ? |
| 17:04 | <mdz> | paperclip: gatos.sf.net |
| 17:04 | <paperclip> | they don't list that card.. |
| 17:04 | <mdz> | but that is a project (and associated mailing lists) for discussing those cards |
| 17:04 | <paperclip> | k |
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| 17:05 | <paperclip> | was looking for the quick answer.. gotta order in a few minutes.. |
| 17:05 | <paperclip> | thanks.. |
| 17:05 | <mdz> | read the FAQ/HOWTO/mailing list archives about AIW cards and mythtv |
| 17:05 | <paperclip> | k |
| 17:05 | <rkulagow_> | chutt: mind schooling me on this global variable thing? i'm not sure what i'm fucking up. i've added the #DEFINE VERBOSE to mythcontext.h along with a bool verbose in MythContext (after LCDDestroy). now, in mythbackend\main.cpp, i set verbose=false right after the daemonize=false and i get a "not defined" error when i try to make. i'm sure it's going to be superobvious once someone smacks me in the head with what i did wrong. |
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| 17:07 | <Chutt> | in mythcontext.h: extern bool verbose_errors; |
| 17:07 | <Chutt> | in mythcontext.cpp: bool verbose_errors; |
| 17:07 | <Chutt> | well, = false; |
| 17:07 | <Chutt> | but |
| 17:07 | <Chutt> | those have to be outside of the class |
| 17:08 | <rkulagow_> | ah, near the QOBJECT, right? |
| 17:08 | <rkulagow_> | before public |
| 17:09 | <Chutt> | before the class MythContext |
| 17:09 | <Chutt> | line even |
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| 17:16 | <Chutt> | 35-50% cpu usage on the nehemiah with remote playback of 480x480 mpeg files (and deinterlacing on) from the pvr-250 =) |
| 17:17 | <Chutt> | about 35-40% for mpg4 .nuv files |
| 17:17 | <rkulagow_> | nice and quiet? |
| 17:17 | <Chutt> | hah |
| 17:17 | <Chutt> | no |
| 17:17 | <Chutt> | it's 6dB louder than my 1800+ |
| 17:17 | <Chutt> | due to the power supply fan |
| 17:18 | <Chutt> | i need to find a quieter 40mm fan |
| 17:18 | <paperclip> | oh.. well.. i'm going to go for the AIW and pray.. |
| 17:18 | <Chutt> | i don't think just dropping it down to 7V or 5V will help, as it's got a high pitched whine |
| 17:18 | <Chutt> | paperclip, you're not on the mythtv lists, are you? |
| 17:18 | <Chutt> | the aiw cards don't work for simultaneous capture and playback |
| 17:19 | <Chutt> | and they won't work in mythtv for capture at all |
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| 17:21 | <TheAsp> | the new epg is nice |
| 17:21 | <TheAsp> | why not colorized solid method? |
| 17:22 | <Chutt> | because it's brand new and not totally finished? |
| 17:23 | <TheAsp> | oh, i would have figured that would have been the easiest colorized option to put in |
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| 17:37 | <Chutt> | damn people using my cvs server |
| 17:39 | <mdz> | Chutt: set up QoS :-P |
| 17:40 | <TheAsp> | you could mirror it to sf |
| 17:40 | <mdz> | TheAsp: that wouldn't work too well for commits |
| 17:40 | <TheAsp> | nono, for non commiting peopel |
| 17:40 | <mdz> | does sf actually let you write to the repository directly? |
| 17:41 | <mdz> | if not, it's not possible anyway |
| 17:41 | <TheAsp> | hmm |
| 17:42 | <bline> | could probably get someone to setup a mirror of it for you |
| 17:43 | <poptix> | mdz: yes |
| 17:44 | <poptix> | er |
| 17:44 | <poptix> | you mean the repository on disk, without using the cvs client? |
| 17:44 | <poptix> | no. |
| 17:44 | <TheAsp> | an hourly snapshot wouldnt be too hard to maintain |
| 17:44 | <bline> | rsync it to a server every 30 minutes |
| 17:46 | <rkulagow_> | chutt: hey, it works! |
| 17:46 | <Cloak> | automated build system! |
| 17:46 | <bline> | could probably get gossamer to provide the diskspace and bandwidth |
| 17:54 | <bigguy> | lo bline |
| 17:56 | <bline> | hey bigguy, how's things? |
| 17:56 | <bigguy> | good, you? |
| 17:57 | <Chutt> | moegreen, one bug =) the current day indicator doesn't change |
| 17:57 | <Chutt> | eh, i dunno 'bout a cvs mirror |
| 18:12 | <poptix> | how about we all donate some cash to get Chutt an OC-3 |
| 18:15 | * Universe | can see the Paypal donate icon on the website already |
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| 18:16 | <Universe> | heh |
| 18:16 | <wigginjs_> | when I place 'mythbackend &' and 'mythfrontend &' in my ~/.desktop file, they don't run when X starts, any idea why? |
| 18:16 | <justin_> | what the heck is .desktop? |
| 18:17 | <poptix> | wigginjs_: what window manager do you use? |
| 18:17 | <wigginjs_> | blackbox |
| 18:18 | <poptix> | here's a better question |
| 18:18 | <poptix> | nevermind |
| 18:18 | * poptix | goes to do something else |
| 18:18 | <wigginjs_> | awww |
| 18:19 | <justin_> | it goes in .xsession |
| 18:19 | <justin_> | mythbackend& |
| 18:19 | <justin_> | mythfrontend |
| 18:19 | <justin_> | though you really want to start mythbackend in an init script |
| 18:19 | <wigginjs_> | why in .xsession? |
| 18:20 | <justin_> | because that is the right file, and i have no idea where you got .desktop from |
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| 18:23 | <poptix> | tsk. |
| 18:25 | <yebyen> | blum. |
| 18:25 | <poptix> | ping stopped too? |
| 18:25 | <poptix> | er |
| 18:25 | <poptix> | w/w |
| 18:25 | <yebyen> | justin_: is mythbackend stable enough to just start it and not worry about it? |
| 18:26 | <justin_> | generally |
| 18:26 | <justin_> | i run it in a loop with bash just in case |
| 18:26 | <Cloak> | if you have concerns run it in run_proc or the likeness |
| 18:26 | <yebyen> | Cloak: run_proc? |
| 18:27 | <yebyen> | what's it do? just that bash run loop? :) |
| 18:29 | <yebyen> | hrm, such awesome new features always go in *right after* a release |
| 18:29 | <yebyen> | HEH |
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| 18:30 | <Cloak> | right, otherwise super awesome features would have bugs and delay the release |
| 18:32 | <yebyen> | yeah, i know |
| 18:32 | <yebyen> | and 0.8 was delayed plenty long enough |
| 18:32 | <yebyen> | heh |
| 18:41 | <yebyen> | hmmmm |
| 18:42 | <yebyen> | "Couldn't open db" |
| 18:42 | <yebyen> | mysql.txt is set up properly though... |
| 18:42 | <yebyen> | hrm |
| 18:42 | <yebyen> | i wonder if the current cvs is incompatible with 0.8 frontends, heh |
| 18:44 | <yebyen> | oh |
| 18:44 | <yebyen> | group settings haven't propagated |
| 18:44 | <yebyen> | heh |
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| 18:45 | <wigginjs_> | what sort of environment does mythbackend require to run? |
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| 18:47 | <yebyen> | "This package contains only the server software, which provides video and audio capture and encoding services. In order to be useful, itrequires a mythtv-frontend installation, either on the same system or one reachable via the network. |
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| 18:56 | <yebyen> | is there any reason this is hardcoded into mainserver.cpp: |
| 18:56 | <yebyen> | QString server = gContext->GetSetting("MasterServerIP", "localhost"); |
| 18:58 | <rkulagow_> | chutt: the VERBOSE thing is ready, and works here. diff or sync? |
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| 19:02 | <wigginjs_> | whenever i put mythbackend in ~/.desktop it always gives my the message 'couldn't open db' |
| 19:02 | <wigginjs_> | but once i get into X and i run it it's fine |
| 19:02 | <wigginjs_> | any ideas? |
| 19:03 | <TheAsp> | wtf is .desktop? |
| 19:03 | <wigginjs_> | it's a X config file |
| 19:03 | <orangey> | TheAsp: MS's new .initiative |
| 19:04 | <wigginjs_> | you can put shit in there and have it run |
| 19:08 | <Chutt> | rkulagow, sorry, was out for dinner |
| 19:08 | <Chutt> | rkulagow, go ahead and commit |
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| 19:10 | <TheAsp> | wigginjs: uh |
| 19:11 | <orangey> | what's xinerama? |
| 19:11 | <TheAsp> | wigginjs: no its not :P it may be used by some wm/desktop you use... |
| 19:11 | <TheAsp> | orangey: multiple display stuffs |
| 19:12 | <orangey> | TheAsp: So, should I set my xinerama screen to something specific? |
| 19:13 | <syah> | hey mythtv |
| 19:14 | <syah> | I was wondering if there is any difference between the PVR250 and 350 - from a driver standpoint? |
| 19:14 | <syah> | i.e. is the 350 supportted as well as the 250 in a mythTV setup. |
| 19:15 | <TheAsp> | orangey: are you using xinerama? |
| 19:17 | <orangey> | TheAsp: Not sure how I would know. |
| 19:18 | <orangey> | is xinerama like such that I can display different things on my TV and on my monitor? |
| 19:19 | <TheAsp> | well, it could be used for that |
| 19:19 | <TheAsp> | if you had 2 cards |
| 19:19 | <orangey> | ok, I'm reading the faq. i dig it. |
| 19:19 | <TheAsp> | i beleive |
| 19:19 | <orangey> | tres cool : ) |
| 19:20 | <bigguy> | xinerama is one desktop. multihead is multiple desktops |
| 19:21 | <bigguy> | multi would be better for what you described |
| 19:21 | <TheAsp> | err, yeah |
| 19:22 | <bigguy> | xinerama is great if you want to have a desktop span like multiple 19" lcd's ;) |
| 19:23 | <bigguy> | syah: as far as i know the 350 works with the ivtv stuff |
| 19:23 | <bigguy> | syah: I know there are a few 350 users using myth |
| 19:24 | <syah> | thx |
| 19:24 | <syah> | I was looking a the specs for the 350, and noted that it has video out |
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| 19:25 | <syah> | and I was wondering if the ivtv driver supported that feature |
| 19:25 | <syah> | so maybe I could use the 350 for tv output?? |
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| 19:39 | <mbrian> | inman: ? |
| 19:39 | <inman> | what's up, mbrian? |
| 19:40 | <mbrian> | inman: have you seen that solar pvr? |
| 19:40 | <inman> | solar pvr? |
| 19:40 | <mbrian> | http://www.solarpc.com/20.htm |
| 19:41 | <mbrian> | i was windering if they were using or maybe going to use this project for that |
| 19:41 | <inman> | no idea. |
| 19:41 | <inman> | "linux pvr" is a different software package, though, I think. |
| 19:41 | <mbrian> | ah.. |
| 19:42 | <inman> | i've seen this company before. |
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| 19:42 | <inman> | i think they are linked-to from the mini-itx site. |
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| 20:12 | <bline> | what's up inman |
| 20:12 | <inman> | been swapping the differential on my car. you? |
| 20:13 | <bline> | been doing tach support for a neighbor :( |
| 20:13 | <inman> | ugh |
| 20:13 | <inman> | only marginally better than TS for family. :-) |
| 20:13 | <bline> | windows 95 on a very slow computer |
| 20:14 | <inman> | bad news. |
| 20:14 | <bline> | you got a minute? trying to get btaudio working again |
| 20:14 | <inman> | sure. |
| 20:14 | <inman> | i have oil in one eye though, so i may not be very quick. ;-) |
| 20:14 | <bline> | heh |
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| 20:15 | <bline> | well, im in the same situation I was in last time I had btaudio loaded. I have a dsp1 and 2 but nothing comes out on those |
| 20:17 | <inman> | btw, on my system, i was never able to get xawtv to play sound from the bt878 card. |
| 20:17 | <inman> | but, it worked fine under myth. |
| 20:17 | <bline> | yeah, I get no sound on either |
| 20:17 | <bline> | are you using /dev/dsp1 in your myth capture setup? |
| 20:18 | <inman> | which setting are you talking about? |
| 20:18 | <inman> | tell me what's in your db. |
| 20:18 | <bline> | when you run the setup program, the capture card section |
| 20:18 | <inman> | i'm using dsp1 for audio device for bt878, yes. |
| 20:19 | <bline> | one sec, I'll look |
| 20:19 | <inman> | which distro are you using, btw? |
| 20:19 | <bline> | +--------+-------------+-------------+-----------+----------+--------------+----------------+----------+ |
| 20:19 | <bline> | | cardid | videodevice | audiodevice | vbidevice | cardtype | defaultinput | audioratelimit | hostname | |
| 20:19 | <bline> | +--------+-------------+-------------+-----------+----------+--------------+----------------+----------+ |
| 20:19 | <bline> | | 7 | /dev/video0 | /dev/dsp1 | /dev/vbi0 | V4L | Television | 32000 | magus | |
| 20:19 | <bline> | +--------+-------------+-------------+-----------+----------+--------------+----------------+----------+ |
| 20:19 | <bline> | gentoo |
| 20:20 | <inman> | okay. |
| 20:20 | <inman> | the first card on my system grabs /dev/sound/dsp |
| 20:20 | <inman> | that's devfs nomenclature. |
| 20:20 | <bline> | yeah |
| 20:20 | <inman> | you may want to use that form instead, for consistency. |
| 20:21 | <inman> | i'm not sure you have the right dsp, since mine is dsp1 'cause i have two cards. |
| 20:21 | <inman> | what does msp3400 say it's binding to? |
| 20:21 | <bline> | dsp1 is just a link to sound/dsp1 |
| 20:22 | <inman> | one thing i was able to do to hear livetv was to use sox to read from dsp1 and output to dsp, or something. |
| 20:22 | <bline> | one sec |
| 20:22 | <rkulagow_> | chutt: sorry, was eating dinner. committed. |
| 20:22 | <inman> | rkulagow_: you have a lot of nerve... :-) |
| 20:23 | <bline> | is msp34xx output from the msp34xx driver? |
| 20:23 | <rkulagow_> | stealing your idea? |
| 20:23 | <inman> | nah, valuing sustinence above myth. |
| 20:23 | <bline> | aplay on /dev/dsp1 I get nothing |
| 20:23 | * inman | pokes at his eye. |
| 20:23 | * bline | tryes sox |
| 20:23 | <inman> | holdon, lemme get sox working. |
| 20:24 | <inman> | okay, i have only two /dev/sound/dsp devices. |
| 20:24 | <bline> | sox -w -r 32000 -t ossdsp /dev/dsp1 -t ossdsp /dev/dsp |
| 20:24 | <bline> | gives me noda |
| 20:24 | <inman> | that looks right. |
| 20:25 | <inman> | that works for me, sorta. |
| 20:25 | <bline> | yeah, I don't get anything at all though |
| 20:25 | <inman> | i get choppy sound. it worked better under the oss drivers. |
| 20:26 | <inman> | did you do `alsactl restore`? |
| 20:26 | <bline> | is 32000 the rate you set for btaudio? |
| 20:26 | <inman> | try setting -r to 48000 and make sure it complains and resets it to 32000. |
| 20:26 | <bline> | dsp1 doesn't have anything to do with alsa |
| 20:26 | <inman> | that should show us that it's talking to the card. |
| 20:26 | <inman> | bline: the dsp for output does, though. |
| 20:27 | <inman> | sox: Unable to set audio speed to 48000 (set to 32000) |
| 20:27 | <inman> | you should get that. |
| 20:27 | <bline> | yeah. I have master and pcm turned up and unmuted |
| 20:27 | <inman> | maybe it's just your playback. |
| 20:27 | <inman> | can you play an mp3? |
| 20:27 | <inman> | or another movie? |
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| 20:27 | <bline> | one sec |
| 20:29 | <bline> | yeah, with xmms and mythmusic |
| 20:29 | <bline> | so /dev/sound/dsp is working, but /dev/sound/dsp1 is not outputing anything |
| 20:30 | <inman> | okay, what kind of messages do you get on the console or in /var/log/messages? |
| 20:30 | <inman> | bttv0: i2c: checking for MSP34xx @ 0x80... found |
| 20:30 | <inman> | get one of those? |
| 20:31 | <inman> | btaudio: registered device dsp1 [digital] |
| 20:31 | <bline> | I get no messages when I use sox |
| 20:31 | <bline> | oh, those. one sec |
| 20:31 | <inman> | these messages appear during the loading of the modules. |
| 20:32 | <bline> | Apr 30 04:32:06 localhost kernel: btaudio: driver version 0.7 loaded [digital+analog] |
| 20:32 | <bline> | Apr 30 04:32:06 localhost kernel: btaudio: Bt878 (rev 17) at 00:0a.1, irq: 17, latency: 3 |
| 20:32 | <bline> | Apr 30 04:32:06 localhost kernel: btaudio: using card config "default" |
| 20:32 | <bline> | Apr 30 04:32:06 localhost kernel: btaudio: registered device dsp1 [digital] |
| 20:32 | <bline> | Apr 30 04:32:06 localhost kernel: btaudio: registered device dsp2 [analog] |
| 20:32 | <bline> | Apr 30 04:32:06 localhost kernel: btaudio: registered device mixer1 |
| 20:33 | <inman> | when you try to use mythtv, it doesn't print any errors, but you don't hear sound. |
| 20:33 | <inman> | is that right? |
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| 20:33 | <inman> | you have coax connected to the tuner input on your wintv-go, right? |
| 20:33 | <inman> | and you get video but no audio. |
| 20:33 | <bline> | i get one log from bttv when I try to watch tv |
| 20:34 | <bline> | Apr 30 17:38:22 localhost kernel: bttv0: irq: SCERR risc_count=0aa61010 |
| 20:34 | <bline> | and right, video but no sound |
| 20:34 | <bline> | I can get sound by using duplex with my onboard sound card though |
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| 20:35 | * inman | ponders. |
| 20:35 | <bline> | I have cable in to the bt878 and svideo out from a geforce2 to my tv |
| 20:36 | <inman> | it does seem like the problem is with dsp1 since you can't hear anything with that sox command. |
| 20:36 | <bline> | my conclusion was btaudio doesn't play nice with my wintvgo |
| 20:36 | <inman> | i thought wintv-go supports btaudio though, it sure seems to from the `dmesg`. |
| 20:36 | <bline> | i understand that wintv cards, even the same modules, can have different tuner's on them and such |
| 20:37 | <bline> | s/modules/models/ |
| 20:37 | <rkulagow_> | btaudio loading is no guarantee; pinnacle PCTV pro has msp34xx, but it's not wired "right" to the bt chip, so you can't get btaudio to produce any sound. |
| 20:39 | * inman | is reading the archives. |
| 20:39 | <bline> | i also tried duplex with my game theater, but that didn't work either |
| 20:39 | <bline> | the only way I could get sound was with duplex on the onboard sound |
| 20:40 | <bline> | but I dunno, I think that may be causing some lockups when watching tv |
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| 20:43 | <_inman_> | er, that was from the transcode-users list. |
| 20:43 | <bline> | what was? |
| 20:45 | <_inman_> | there is a thread in mythtv-dev from 2002-12-21 that seems to answer all these questions. |
| 20:45 | <_inman_> | i've seen conflicting reports re: wintv-go btaudio support. |
| 20:45 | <_inman_> | i think you may just be sol. |
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| 20:45 | <bline> | heh |
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| 20:46 | <bline> | well I would be happy with the onboard if I didn't get the lockups. |
| 20:46 | <bline> | strace shows mythbackend stuck in a select loop |
| 20:47 | <bline> | and iirc it was on the audio device |
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| 21:17 | <yebyen> | mdz: you're a developer for native debian on zaurus? :) |
| 21:24 | <mdz_> | yebyen: I am |
| 21:24 | <mdz_> | among other things |
| 21:25 | <yebyen> | mdz_: nice :) |
| 21:25 | <yebyen> | small world, heh |
| 21:25 | <yebyen> | i'm browsing through zaurus stuff and I see "mdz" |
| 21:26 | <Cloak> | heh, i see it in python debian stuff |
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| 22:01 | <Chutt> | damn ivtv driver and it's excessive debugging |
| 22:01 | <Chutt> | i keep forgetting to load it with debug=0 |
| 22:01 | <Ober> | hehee |
| 22:01 | <Ober> | I had to turn it on |
| 22:01 | <Chutt> | and i've only got like 100MB free on /var |
| 22:01 | <Chutt> | no, wait, i have 400MB free |
| 22:02 | <Chutt> | 1 single 1 hour recording filled that up with debug messages |
| 22:02 | * Ober | keeps getting buffer errors |
| 22:02 | <Chutt> | i'm using cvs from before the buffering changes recently |
| 22:02 | <Ober> | hehe |
| 22:02 | <Ober> | I use current |
| 22:02 | <Ober> | is there any way to grep out commercials? :D |
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| 22:10 | <Ober> | damn ivtv keeps dying |
| 22:17 | <Chutt> | hrm |
| 22:17 | <Chutt> | one more screenshot, but i have to recompile to take it |
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| 22:22 | <Ober> | did they ever make any algorythms to detect commercials? |
| 22:22 | <Chutt> | yup |
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| 22:23 | <Ober> | url? or name? and is it something mythtv could do? :D |
| 22:24 | <Chutt> | it's built into mythtv |
| 22:24 | <Ober> | really? |
| 22:24 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 22:25 | <Ober> | wow, impressive |
| 22:25 | <Chutt> | works fairly well |
| 22:25 | <Chutt> | though of course it's not perfect |
| 22:25 | <Ober> | what makes commercials unique? |
| 22:25 | <Ober> | sound compression? |
| 22:25 | <Chutt> | well, it really just looks for blank frames |
| 22:25 | <Chutt> | and does some length-based detection |
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| 22:37 | <Chutt> | so |
| 22:38 | <Chutt> | 0.9 soon? =) |
| 22:38 | <inman> | what is on your todo? |
| 22:38 | <Chutt> | preview pixmaps for mpg files |
| 22:38 | <Chutt> | fix any major bugs that crop up in the new epg code |
| 22:38 | <Chutt> | ... |
| 22:38 | <Chutt> | and that's all, i think |
| 22:39 | <inman> | there are some pretty gross errors with mythweb and foreign folks. |
| 22:39 | <inman> | hell, i can't get see movies. that's pretty bad. |
| 22:39 | <moegreen> | hrm...i guess i can update to cvs now :) |
| 22:39 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 22:39 | <Chutt> | moegreen, i really like the new epg |
| 22:39 | <Chutt> | especially the scrolling in the middle thing |
| 22:39 | <moegreen> | cool |
| 22:40 | <Chutt> | did you see what i said above about the day display not changing? |
| 22:40 | <moegreen> | I wasn't sure if I should make the scrolling in the middle thing the default |
| 22:40 | <Chutt> | that's the only bug i've seen |
| 22:40 | <moegreen> | Chutt: I probably just didn't update that rect |
| 22:40 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 22:41 | <Chutt> | i updated the screenshots page |
| 22:41 | <inman> | Chutt: do you have a date for 0.9? if so, i will try to have a tuning patch for your consideration by then. |
| 22:41 | <inman> | or a few days before... |
| 22:41 | <Chutt> | inman, might it be wise to hold off until after that? |
| 22:42 | <Chutt> | i was thinking of like, next week sometime |
| 22:42 | <inman> | sure, easier for me. :-) |
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| 22:42 | <orangey> | hey guys! |
| 22:42 | <orangey> | anybody know where I can chat with developers of xmltv? |
| 22:42 | <Chutt> | maybe give people some time to do themes |
| 22:42 | <Chutt> | or whatnot |
| 22:42 | <Chutt> | i dunno |
| 22:43 | <inman> | i guess i should take responsibility for mythweb movies and fix 'em. |
| 22:43 | <Chutt> | someone needs to take responsibility for mythweb and mythvideo |
| 22:43 | <inman> | you just mentioned that mythvideo hasn't changed in months. |
| 22:43 | <Chutt> | exactly |
| 22:44 | <inman> | is that bad? :-) |
| 22:44 | <Chutt> | i dunno |
| 22:44 | <Chutt> | i think more could be done with it |
| 22:44 | <Chutt> | build in better DVD stuff, for instance |
| 22:44 | <inman> | if you give me a list i'll put 'em on my todo, then at least someone will be tracking stuff. |
| 22:44 | <Chutt> | hit up imdb for info, filename matching |
| 22:44 | <moegreen> | Chutt: now that the EPG is done, I might hit up the imdb stuff for MythVideo |
| 22:44 | <orangey> | Chutt: What's this? |
| 22:44 | <Chutt> | moegreen, cool |
| 22:44 | <orangey> | moegreen: I have some rough q's about the EPG. |
| 22:45 | <Chutt> | thor needs to come back sometime and work on mythmusic s'more =) |
| 22:45 | <moegreen> | heh |
| 22:45 | <orangey> | moegreen: is there any way to make it such that the channel number and channel callsign can be assigned separately? |
| 22:45 | <Chutt> | actually, after 0.9, maybe i'll work on making mythmusic more network aware |
| 22:45 | <moegreen> | orangey: not right now |
| 22:45 | <inman> | Chutt: you mean the streaming stuff we talked about? |
| 22:45 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 22:46 | <inman> | moegreen: are you talking about credits metadata and/or something else? wrt imdb... |
| 22:46 | <orangey> | moegreen: is there any special reason why an icon would show up only in one place (the info container) or another (the channel list) but not both? |
| 22:46 | <Chutt> | there's something weird about icons in the epg, too |
| 22:46 | <Chutt> | sometimes they disappear and reappear |
| 22:46 | <moegreen> | inman: yeah |
| 22:46 | <moegreen> | yeah, I've noticed that - it seems to show up on the channel you start on |
| 22:47 | <Chutt> | toggling recording status seems to change it |
| 22:47 | <inman> | moegreen: i'd like to help you with the db schema for that if you don't mind. |
| 22:47 | <inman> | moegreen: it ties into my efforts elsewhere wrt metadata for mixed media... |
| 22:47 | <moegreen> | I had changed a lot so tracking down all the little things that happened every once and a while became a bit of a pain |
| 22:47 | <moegreen> | inman: sure |
| 22:47 | <Chutt> | moegreen, yeah, very understandable =) |
| 22:47 | <inman> | i'm slowly pushing mythmusic towards ripping a disc and then turning around and burning an exact duplicate. |
| 22:48 | <orangey> | moegreen: is there any easy way to change the default behaviour so that the selection box is on the current channel when the EPG is activated? |
| 22:49 | <moegreen> | orangey: that's actually a bug started when I set the selection bar to be in the middle at all times - it should start on the current channel |
| 22:49 | <orangey> | moegreen: OK.. |
| 22:49 | <mdz_> | Chutt: is the threaded reader stuff stable now? |
| 22:49 | <orangey> | moegreen: sorry for the harrassment : ) |
| 22:49 | <inman> | moegreen: does that code apply to mythmusic too, btw? |
| 22:49 | <inman> | moegreen: the middle-selection, i mean? |
| 22:49 | <moegreen> | inman: which code? |
| 22:49 | <Chutt> | mdz, i believe so |
| 22:50 | <moegreen> | inman: ah...it probably will when thor is done with it |
| 22:50 | <Chutt> | inman, it can once the playback stuff in mythmusic has been redone |
| 22:50 | <inman> | okay, just wondering if the mythlistbox got hacked or what... |
| 22:50 | <Chutt> | it's a new list widget |
| 22:50 | <inman> | per caputo's request/patch. |
| 22:50 | <Chutt> | there, webpage updated |
| 22:50 | <Chutt> | screenshots updated |
| 22:50 | <Chutt> | eyecandy lookin good =) |
| 22:51 | <moegreen> | though, this page might be next on my list http://mythtv.sourceforge.net/mc/epg-info.png |
| 22:52 | <moegreen> | certainly shouldn't take long :) |
| 22:52 | <inman> | moegreen: it will be necessary to fix that page up if you want to have somewhere to display your imdb metadata. ;-) |
| 22:52 | <orangey> | moegreen: wasn't there a movement to make it such that this thing was n't a page at all, but instead a popup? |
| 22:52 | <orangey> | might be more intuitive. |
| 22:53 | <inman> | orangey: i agree, but in that case we still need an extra-info page. |
| 22:53 | <orangey> | inman: extra-info page? |
| 22:53 | <moegreen> | orangey: oh yeah, i could do that i suppose |
| 22:53 | <inman> | orangey: for details about a recording that don't fit in the normal epg. |
| 22:53 | <orangey> | moegreen: Nate has some great mockups |
| 22:53 | <moegreen> | bah - he stole that from the zip code popup of mythweather |
| 22:53 | <orangey> | moegreen: Inman's is a great idea.. some sort of way to get more information about something like actors and stuff.. |
| 22:53 | <moegreen> | just kidding |
| 22:54 | <orangey> | moegreen: hehehe : ) |
| 22:54 | <orangey> | I'm actually trying to figure out how exactly the actors dealie works |
| 22:54 | <inman> | i know i sound like a turncoat when i say this, but tivo's interface handles this stuff really nicely. |
| 22:55 | <orangey> | moegreen: Also, could the () at the end of each listing be contingent on whether or not there is something inside? |
| 22:55 | <orangey> | I keep thinking that Seinfeld is a new function |
| 22:55 | <inman> | orangey: we don't currently have a source for actor metadata. |
| 22:55 | <moegreen> | orangey: heh, every show I have has a category - so i didn't even know it was a problem |
| 22:55 | <orangey> | inman: for DTV PPV there is.. |
| 22:55 | <orangey> | plus, it's just a matter of time.. |
| 22:56 | <inman> | orangey: you have records in your credits table? |
| 22:56 | <orangey> | moegreen: it shows up on that screenshot that chutt took |
| 22:56 | <moegreen> | orangey: yeah, I noticed |
| 22:56 | <orangey> | inman: Well no.. but only because I don't actually know how to insert them. |
| 22:56 | <orangey> | I actually wonder.. how does mythweb know what a movie is? |
| 22:56 | <inman> | orangey: give me an overview on dtv ppv. are you using an alternate grabber or what? |
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| 22:57 | <inman> | orangey: don't ask about mythweb. |
| 22:57 | <orangey> | inman: why not? |
| 22:57 | <inman> | orangey: it's a messy hack atm and i will be changing it this week. |
| 22:57 | * mdz_ | eyes rkugalow's commit message with the backslashes |
| 22:57 | <orangey> | inman: Yep. Everything is grabbed from an "alternative" database run by a dude named JPags, a database originally made for TiVo.. You can see a sample of the listings here: |
| 22:58 | <orangey> | http://www.geocities.com/paglierani/showlist.jpg |
| 22:58 | <inman> | orangey: it's complicated because different grabbers produce different qualities of data, so it's hard to calculate movies well. |
| 22:58 | <orangey> | jpags also releases a sports list (http://www.geocities.com/paglierani/sports.jpg) |
| 22:58 | <inman> | orangey: it is pay-to-play or what? |
| 22:58 | <Timon> | The image http://www.geocities.com/paglierani/showlist.jpg cannot be displayed, because it contains errors. |
| 22:58 | <orangey> | anyway, the ppv script that I wrote (http://tarek.2y.net/myth/ppv.pl I think it's called) parses the data and writes it.. |
| 22:58 | <inman> | And nudity. |
| 22:58 | <orangey> | Timon: it's not a jpeg |
| 22:59 | <orangey> | it's a txt file : ) So save the source or whatever |
| 22:59 | <Timon> | orangey, then why did you give it the jpg extension? |
| 22:59 | <Chutt> | mdz, anyway, i believe current cvs is fairly stable now |
| 22:59 | <orangey> | Timon: *I* didn't. JPaG did : ) |
| 22:59 | <mdz_> | Chutt: but you let it slip that you're thinking of making a release soon :-) |
| 22:59 | <Chutt> | right |
| 22:59 | <inman> | orangey: you don't know C++ do you? |
| 22:59 | <Chutt> | so i need experienced testers |
| 22:59 | <orangey> | inman: Anyway, I'm trying to figure out more about jpag's system, and I haven't really been able to track him down.. |
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| 22:59 | <Chutt> | <hint> |
| 22:59 | <mdz_> | damn |
| 22:59 | <orangey> | inman: I don't actually know any language. |
| 23:00 | <mdz_> | I guess I need to do a debug build to try to track down that conflict resolution crash anyway |
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| 23:00 | <orangey> | Chutt: what's an experienced tester? |
| 23:01 | <inman> | orangey: is this perl code released under the gpl? can i convert it into filldata? |
| 23:01 | <inman> | orangey: and can mythers use this grabber for free? what are the limitations? |
| 23:01 | <orangey> | inman: Moment.. |
| 23:01 | <Chutt> | orangey, someone who knows how to file a proper bug report |
| 23:02 | * inman | files all his bug reports in single-line irc comments. ;-) |
| 23:02 | <inman> | i really should be more helpful. |
| 23:02 | <orangey> | inman: It can be whatever license you want it to be.. GPL is fine, and my personal preference. |
| 23:02 | <orangey> | inman: If you would like, I could rewrite it as C++.. |
| 23:03 | <inman> | orangey: i think that would be nice, but it's probably best if it just dumped data in xml format a la xmltv. |
| 23:03 | <inman> | orangey: maybe you could submit it to that project and get someone there to build a grabber from this datasource? |
| 23:04 | <orangey> | inman: That was the original, and in fact the remnant XML code might be in the file |
| 23:04 | <moegreen> | Chutt: still no OSD screenshot updates ... sad indeed :) |
| 23:04 | <orangey> | oh, the remnant XML code is at: http://tarek.2y.net/myth/ppv.pl.old |
| 23:04 | <inman> | it doesn't seem to be. |
| 23:04 | <Chutt> | bah |
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| 23:04 | <Chutt> | moegreen, take some and send em to me or something |
| 23:05 | <inman> | Content-type: application/x-trash |
| 23:05 | <inman> | heh |
| 23:05 | <orangey> | inman: This is kind of why I want to try to get a hold of the XML people.. but I'm sure they would MUCH rather another data source, since JPAG is doing his own compilation, which is somewhat unreliable (right now he hasn't updated showlist.jpg for 8 days) |
| 23:05 | <orangey> | XMLTV people, rather |
| 23:06 | <Chutt> | there's an xmltv mailing list |
| 23:06 | <orangey> | Chutt: Is there an IRC chan? |
| 23:06 | <Chutt> | i don't believe so |
| 23:06 | <inman> | well, it would be great if we could get metadata, that's all i'm saying. |
| 23:06 | <orangey> | well, mailing list it is : ) |
| 23:06 | <inman> | it sounds like you could help here, and i'll update filldata() if/when we have another solid source. |
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| 23:09 | <orangey> | inman: IN the interim, though, I think it's not a terrible idea to continue to develop the actors/ratings/whatever thing.. because it's just a matter of time before we do find a reliable source with it.. |
| 23:10 | <inman> | that time may be better spent elsewhere. |
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| 23:11 | <orangey> | inman: true... |
| 23:11 | <orangey> | inman: well, the database is there now, right? |
| 23:11 | <inman> | yes. |
| 23:12 | <orangey> | Is it going to be taken out in the next release if a source isn't found? |
| 23:12 | <bline> | where is mythbackend\mainserver.cpp ;) |
| 23:13 | <mdz_> | whoa, the libvbitext build completely blew up with qt 3.0.5 |
| 23:13 | <mdz_> | looks like maybe some of the qt headers aren't including everything they need |
| 23:13 | <Chutt> | what'd it do? |
| 23:13 | <mdz_> | oh, no |
| 23:13 | <mdz_> | it's compiling C++ with the C compiler |
| 23:13 | <Chutt> | it is? |
| 23:13 | <inman> | orangey: nope. |
| 23:13 | <mdz_> | gcc -c -pipe -Wpointer-arith -Wwrite-strings -Wmissing-prototypes -w -g -DHAVE_AV_CONFIG_H -I.. -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_GNU_SOURCE -D_REENTRANT -D_GNU_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -DPREFIX=\"/usr\" -DMMX -DQT_THREAD_SUPPORT -I../.. -I/usr/share/qt/include -I/usr/share/qt/mkspecs/linux-g++ -o cc.o cc.c |
| 23:13 | <mdz_> | had to scroll back through a lot of errors to find that out |
| 23:13 | <mdz_> | probably the .c extension is doing it |
| 23:14 | <Chutt> | it's cc.cpp |
| 23:14 | <mdz_> | er |
| 23:14 | <mdz_> | yes, it certainly is |
| 23:14 | <Chutt> | cc.c is gone |
| 23:14 | <mdz_> | ah, I still had it |
| 23:14 | <mdz_> | odd that it tried to build it though |
| 23:14 | <mdz_> | I guess it's using an implicit rule for cc.o |
| 23:15 | <orangey> | inman: OK, so mythweb.. how does it/ will it figure out movies? |
| 23:15 | <inman> | orangey: see the smellsLikeMovie() in classes.php and also functions.php |
| 23:15 | <Chutt> | mdz, might needed to run qmake again or something |
| 23:16 | <inman> | also see functions.php:fetchAllMovies() or something to that effect. |
| 23:16 | <mdz_> | yeah, I think I'm ok now. bad rsync. |
| 23:16 | <orangey> | inman: OK, next question: where does it get the "stars" from? |
| 23:16 | <inman> | orangey: tv_grab_na |
| 23:17 | <orangey> | aaah. |
| 23:17 | <orangey> | I better find me an XML TV listing for a movie and try to match that. : ) |
| 23:17 | <Chutt> | you can check the spec at the xmltv website |
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| 23:23 | <orangey> | Chutt: Now I gotta match it to the TiVo format.. unless you might happen to know where I can find more info on that : ) |
| 23:24 | <moegreen> | Chutt: I'm getting (on the backend) 2003-04-30 23:23:20 adding: bopgun as a player 0 and 2003-04-30 23:23:20 adding: bopgun as a remote file transfer everytime I scroll around on the EPG - any ideas? |
| 23:24 | <Chutt> | moegreen, it's not finding the channel icon for some reason |
| 23:25 | <Chutt> | it's trying to transfer the file |
| 23:25 | <mdz_> | argh, I still haven't added that proginfo display to viewscheduled |
| 23:25 | <mdz_> | the warning taunts me |
| 23:26 | <Chutt> | =) |
| 23:26 | <moegreen> | Chutt: ah...well that would be GIst - I guess I can go back now |
| 23:28 | <orangey> | how do I force mythbackend to display to alog file? |
| 23:29 | <moegreen> | Chutt: Also, when using the pvr250 card, my behind time stays at '00:00' in the OSD though I am behind more than that |
| 23:29 | <Chutt> | current cvs? |
| 23:29 | <moegreen> | yeah, I just updated and rebuilt |
| 23:29 | <Chutt> | that was just fixed up a couple days ago |
| 23:29 | <hfb> | Anyone here know if Fry's carries IR Detectors? |
| 23:29 | <FryGuy> | which one? |
| 23:29 | <hfb> | Any? |
| 23:30 | <FryGuy> | no i don't :) |
| 23:30 | <hfb> | FryGuy Okay! :) I checked RadioShack and they no longer carry them. |
| 23:32 | <inman> | Chutt: re: playedFrames, that value is not consistent with our position in the stream. |
| 23:32 | <Chutt> | hm? |
| 23:32 | <Chutt> | hfb, catalog # 276-640 |
| 23:32 | <Chutt> | (radio shack) |
| 23:33 | <hfb> | Chutt: Let me check. |
| 23:33 | <inman> | i'm seeking through a recording and it's looping back to the beginning at some point, but playedFrames continues to increase. |
| 23:33 | <inman> | i need another variable to watch... |
| 23:33 | <Chutt> | could check the current position in the ringbuffer |
| 23:33 | <Chutt> | but, playedframes should be close to where you are in the file |
| 23:34 | <inman> | if it were, i probably wouldn't be complaining. ;-) |
| 23:34 | <Ober> | anyone recommend a good mpg editor? |
| 23:34 | <Ober> | to split out certain parts |
| 23:35 | <hfb> | Thanks Chutt. The store I went to did not have that one nor the one I was looking for. |
| 23:40 | <_shad> | Backend stuffed up in RequestBlock |
| 23:40 | <_shad> | hrm |
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| 23:42 | <Ober> | anyone recommend a good mpg editor? |
| 23:42 | <mdz_> | virtualdub |
| 23:43 | <Ripp> | is 'xft' pkg no longer needed? |
| 23:43 | <_inman_> | player desired(2294) played(2176) number(118) |
| 23:43 | <_inman_> | ringbuffer is at 74997798 |
| 23:43 | <_inman_> | player desired(2399) played(2281) number(118) |
| 23:43 | <_inman_> | ringbuffer is at 196608 |
| 23:44 | <Ober> | win32 app |
| 23:44 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 23:44 | <_inman_> | player is nupplevideoplayer |
| 23:44 | <Chutt> | ok |
| 23:44 | * Ober | sighs |
| 23:44 | <Chutt> | how the hell did that happen? =) |
| 23:44 | <Ripp> | doh! wrong chan :p |
| 23:44 | <_inman_> | no fscking clue, but it may be bad data in the recording, too. |
| 23:44 | <_inman_> | (that's most likely, i think) |
| 23:45 | <Chutt> | still shouldn't be going backwards |
| 23:45 | <Chutt> | i'm assuming you didn't do anything? |
| 23:45 | <_inman_> | i was just fast-forwarding. |
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| 23:45 | <_inman_> | it always happens at the same place (another reason to suspect the data) |
| 23:45 | <Chutt> | maybe something wrong with the edit cutlist skipping or commercial skipping? |
| 23:45 | <_inman_> | i could clear those for this recording... |
| 23:47 | <_inman_> | didn't help. |
| 23:48 | <Chutt> | time to add debugging to the DoFastForward code |
| 23:48 | <Chutt> | like, where it does the seek and stuff |
| 23:48 | <_inman_> | do you think this is pvr-specific? |
| 23:49 | <_inman_> | what i'd really like to debug is the stuff you just added. ;-) |
| 23:49 | <Chutt> | i have no idea |
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| 23:50 | <_inman_> | okay. i'll add something in avformatdecoder. |
| 23:51 | <yebyen> | i'm trying to figure the sanest way to munge up the zaurus... |
| 23:51 | <_inman_> | hot glue gun. |
| 23:51 | <_inman_> | peals right off! |
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| 23:51 | <_inman_> | er, peels, too. |
| 23:51 | <yebyen> | like, whether there's anything essential in /usr, if I can just move the whole thing over to the CF card and symlink it over |
| 23:51 | <yebyen> | heh |
| 23:51 | <yebyen> | and whether that will really help at all or not |
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