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| 00:04 | <orangey> | quick question: where do gist listings come from? are they parsed out of the webpage? |
| 00:04 | <orangey> | or did gist provide a downloadable mass-dealie? |
| 00:04 | <Chutt> | doesn't matter, they're gone now |
| 00:05 | <Ndiin> | They lasted such a long time, too. |
| 00:06 | <inman> | keyPos(74354726) desiredKey (2160) TotalRead/Early (-74338342) TotalRead/Late (74354726) diff (-16384) |
| 00:06 | <inman> | doneseek in avformatdecoder |
| 00:06 | <inman> | avformatdecoder desired(2279) played(2161) number(118) |
| 00:06 | <inman> | keyPos(0) desiredKey (2265) TotalRead/Early (77926438) TotalRead/Late (0) diff (-77926438) |
| 00:07 | <inman> | what is the positionMap? |
| 00:08 | <Chutt> | the map of all positions in the file |
| 00:08 | <Chutt> | keyframe # based |
| 00:08 | <inman> | ah, okay. |
| 00:09 | <orangey> | Chutt: Still wondering.. |
| 00:09 | <Chutt> | it was a downloadable file |
| 00:09 | <inman> | orangey: gist provided an xml dump a la xmltv. |
| 00:10 | <orangey> | woah. very nice. |
| 00:12 | <inman> | yep. it was very fast, too. |
| 00:12 | <Chutt> | inman, so, figure it out yet? =) |
| 00:13 | <inman> | wanted to add lastKey debug |
| 00:13 | <inman> | doing tech-support atm so i'm slow. |
| 00:14 | <inman> | i hope it's not your positionMap, but... :-P |
| 00:14 | <Chutt> | shouldn't be |
| 00:14 | <Chutt> | it should be testing to see if it exists in the map before using the value |
| 00:14 | <inman> | my next output will be more useful. |
| 00:15 | * inman | builds. |
| 00:15 | <orangey> | do we know what snapstream uses? |
| 00:17 | <inman> | nope. |
| 00:19 | <inman> | keyPos(72603686) desiredKey (2100) lastKey (2100) seek sanity (-22528) rb pos (72603686) diff (-22528) |
| 00:19 | <inman> | avformatdecoder desired(2219) played(2101) number(118) |
| 00:19 | <inman> | keyPos(0) desiredKey (2205) lastKey (2205) seek sanity (-75782182) rb pos (0) diff (-75782182) |
| 00:19 | <inman> | i must have my elementary artithmetic wrong. |
| 00:19 | <inman> | either that or it's not seeking correctly. |
| 00:20 | <Chutt> | well, what's setting keypos to 0? |
| 00:21 | <inman> | positionMap, of course, but seek sanity should be 0 |
| 00:21 | <inman> | i think. |
| 00:21 | <inman> | oh n/m. |
| 00:23 | <Chutt> | which of the varios keyPos = positionMap[] lines is it, though? |
| 00:24 | <inman> | checking now. |
| 00:24 | <inman> | is there a faster way to make install? |
| 00:24 | <Chutt> | not really |
| 00:24 | * inman | sighs. |
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| 00:26 | <orangey> | OK, so snapstream used to use titantv, but titantv has moved away from using XML and now is binary/encrypted. |
| 00:26 | <inman> | argh |
| 00:27 | <inman> | aha |
| 00:27 | <inman> | it's not setting keyPos up top, so it's always -1 |
| 00:27 | <inman> | though desiredKey != lastKey |
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| 00:28 | <Chutt> | so, it's going to the loop on the bottom |
| 00:28 | <inman> | yeah |
| 00:29 | <Chutt> | hmm |
| 00:29 | <inman> | my debug output is in the needflush if() and that asserts that keyPos == 0. |
| 00:29 | <inman> | assert is the wrong word. indicates. |
| 00:29 | <Chutt> | see the while (framesRead < desiredKey + 1) |
| 00:29 | <Chutt> | ? |
| 00:29 | <inman> | yeap |
| 00:30 | <Chutt> | make that + 5 or 6 or something |
| 00:30 | <inman> | 6 it is. |
| 00:30 | <Chutt> | see if that helps |
| 00:30 | <inman> | why would it? |
| 00:31 | <Chutt> | because it doesn't look like it's reading far enough into the file for the desired keyframe to appear |
| 00:31 | <inman> | hmm. |
| 00:32 | <inman> | no luck. |
| 00:32 | <inman> | getFrame may read more than 1 frame? |
| 00:32 | <Chutt> | well, kind of |
| 00:33 | <Chutt> | it'll only ever get one frame for display |
| 00:33 | <Chutt> | but it may read in multiple frames that haven't yet been decoded fully yet |
| 00:34 | <inman> | i don't understand its role here. |
| 00:34 | <inman> | does it help to fill the positionMap? |
| 00:34 | <Chutt> | yes |
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| 00:34 | <Chutt> | since you don't have a positionmap, apparently |
| 00:34 | <inman> | heh |
| 00:34 | <yebyen> | who is this hbarrett |
| 00:34 | <yebyen> | I am a Barrett |
| 00:34 | <yebyen> | heh |
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| 00:35 | <inman> | lemme set this to + 50, shouldn't hurt much. |
| 00:35 | <inman> | maybe my i frames are just very distant from each other, eg. because of a hiccough in the encoding. |
| 00:35 | <Chutt> | naw, should just slow it down a little |
| 00:35 | <Chutt> | you could add a debug line to where it finds a new gop start |
| 00:36 | <inman> | where is that? |
| 00:36 | <Chutt> | in getframe, look for where it modifies positionMap |
| 00:39 | * inman | idles. |
| 00:40 | <inman> | the + 50 worked. ;-) |
| 00:41 | <Chutt> | ok |
| 00:41 | <Chutt> | replace it with |
| 00:42 | <inman> | something is a little wacky here. |
| 00:42 | <inman> | lastKey is not always increasing, is that normal? |
| 00:42 | <Chutt> | while (framesRead < desiredKey + 1 || !positionMap.contains(desiredKey / keyframedist)) |
| 00:42 | <Chutt> | lastKey really isn't used |
| 00:43 | <Chutt> | lemme know if that works as well |
| 00:43 | <inman> | seems like it should. |
| 00:43 | <Chutt> | it should, but.. |
| 00:43 | <inman> | we don't really need it there though, do we? |
| 00:44 | <inman> | we only need if if needflush. |
| 00:44 | <inman> | erm, i'm confuserated. |
| 00:44 | <inman> | nevermind. |
| 00:44 | <Chutt> | hmm |
| 00:45 | <inman> | keyframedist is always 15 or something, right? |
| 00:45 | <Chutt> | 12 or 15 |
| 00:45 | <inman> | so maybe that's the problem? |
| 00:45 | <Chutt> | with the pvr cards |
| 00:45 | <inman> | desiredKey ain't a multiple? |
| 00:46 | <Chutt> | 2205 is |
| 00:46 | <Chutt> | and it shouldn't matter |
| 00:46 | <inman> | that patch works. |
| 00:47 | <Chutt> | ok |
| 00:47 | <Chutt> | i'll check it in tomorrow sometime |
| 00:48 | <Chutt> | thanks for looking into that =) |
| 00:48 | <inman> | thanks :-) |
| 00:57 | <orangey> | does myth currently have any facility for multiple genres? |
| 00:57 | <inman> | arbitrary, you mean? |
| 00:57 | <orangey> | downloaded.. |
| 00:58 | <orangey> | example: 1 371 133 32 34 40 37 33 105 114 167 375 385 |
| 00:58 | <inman> | i don't understand the question. :-/ |
| 00:58 | <orangey> | each of those numbers represents a genre for a DTV PPV movie.. |
| 00:58 | <orangey> | I know we have "categories".. |
| 00:58 | <orangey> | but I wondered if we had any genre facility. |
| 00:58 | <inman> | uh, if you have the original list that maps those values to strings, we can support them. |
| 00:58 | <inman> | orangey: not really, no. |
| 00:58 | <inman> | i believe the categories are stored as strings. |
| 00:59 | <orangey> | inman: Yeah, I can map them. |
| 00:59 | <inman> | check the program table. |
| 00:59 | <orangey> | inman: I wondered, though, if I should bother.. |
| 00:59 | <orangey> | or, for example, if I should just take the 2nd genre (first is "movies") |
| 00:59 | <inman> | orangey: myth will not be able to support more than one (in some cases two) genres. |
| 01:00 | <inman> | orangey: it would be very nice if we had a field for flags, eg isMovie, isRepeat, etc. |
| 01:00 | <orangey> | inman: Any plans, short or long-range? |
| 01:00 | <inman> | i will implement it if you want. |
| 01:00 | <orangey> | I think it will have to be part of a larger genre strategy.. |
| 01:01 | <orangey> | for example, this receiver I once had could do searches for movies by genre and things.. |
| 01:01 | <inman> | this is unrelated to genres, except that it eliminates Movies as a genre and puts that info to good use. |
| 01:01 | <inman> | orangey: i don't think you're picking up what i'm laying down. :-) |
| 01:01 | <orangey> | inman: I concur. I am confused.. |
| 01:01 | <inman> | we can't support multiple genres right now. |
| 01:02 | <orangey> | inman: OK, I dig that. |
| 01:02 | <inman> | that /could/ be added, but is it worth it? |
| 01:02 | <orangey> | inman: That's the question. |
| 01:02 | <inman> | what /is/ useful is a flag that identifies movies. |
| 01:02 | <inman> | your Movie genre could inform that flag. |
| 01:02 | <orangey> | inman: ooh. I gotcha. |
| 01:02 | <inman> | gist had the same data, but they are gone now. |
| 01:02 | <inman> | tv_grab_na does not have a Movie genre. |
| 01:03 | <orangey> | inman: Well, your "does ti smell like a movie" dealie would pick up these things things as movies after I dealing with these genres. |
| 01:03 | <orangey> | So, I'll disregard the movie genre (because it will smell like a movie) until said flag gets added.. |
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| 01:03 | <inman> | smellsLikeMovie() is a bad hack and I'd like to stop estimating movies based on length and genre. |
| 01:03 | <inman> | orangey: that's fine, for now. |
| 01:04 | <orangey> | didn't you also use the MPAA ratings and such? |
| 01:04 | <orangey> | is there anything in myth that deals with stars, too? or does it just get stored in the database and nothing else? |
| 01:04 | <inman> | yeah, but those don't exist outside of tv_grab_na-land. |
| 01:04 | <inman> | it's only used by mythweb. |
| 01:04 | <inman> | and maybe a movies-only programfinder or something... i dunno. |
| 01:05 | <orangey> | why not put a little tag beside movies that has the stars? |
| 01:05 | <inman> | i added the ratings and stars and airdates 'cause i'm a big movie guy and don't watch tv per se. |
| 01:05 | <inman> | but, there's no support in mythfrontend because the frontend doesn't have a movie browser. |
| 01:05 | <inman> | orangey: you could add the tag easily (i encourage you to do so) |
| 01:06 | <orangey> | inman: in a patch, you mean? |
| 01:06 | <inman> | i figured once the data was there, someone would do thework. :-) |
| 01:06 | <inman> | orangey: yep. |
| 01:06 | <orangey> | inman: The problem is that my code would be unclean.. but I'll try it so that somebody says "eww! gimme that!" and redoes it. |
| 01:06 | <inman> | the irony is that right now my mythweb movies page doesn't even work, heh. |
| 01:06 | <orangey> | I am just like you in terms of movies/tv |
| 01:06 | <orangey> | sure it does! |
| 01:06 | <inman> | you can send me your patch first if you want and i'll clean it up and send it back. |
| 01:07 | <inman> | mythweb movies doesn't work on my box. |
| 01:07 | <inman> | haven't had time to fix it. |
| 01:07 | <orangey> | inman: Sounds great. |
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| 02:43 | <bline> | good day |
| 02:48 | <orangey> | hey bline |
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| 04:16 | <orangey> | who's awake? |
| 04:16 | <orangey> | ; ) |
| 04:17 | <bline> | mornin |
| 04:31 | <orangey> | bline: where do you live? |
| 04:44 | <bline> | burnaby |
| 04:44 | <bline> | BC, Canada |
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| 05:33 | <bline> | grr still seeing "Audio buffer overflow, audio data lost!" from current cvs |
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| 08:54 | <rkulagow> | note helpful comment: Also, since I am fairly new to Linux, can you please make the documentation more intuative and easy to understand. Going through it the first time, I found quite of few things misplaced and few steps skipped, many assuming that you are very comfortable with Linux. I do agree that you have to have a base knowlegde, but also think that it owuld be great to make to just a little easier. |
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| 09:17 | <rkulagow> | chutt: please sync website to CVS docs. |
| 09:17 | <rkulagow> | chutt: is this the definitive error message that the user hasn't set the card type as hardware MPEG? : "Won't work with the streaming interface, falling back" |
| 09:21 | <rkulagow> | grr: "Having said that, MythTV is great, it's a shame there's nothing like it for Windows so it doesn't take weeks to set up...". no patch for docs, no specifics, etc. [yes, i'm in a mood today.] |
| 09:23 | <paperclip> | heh |
| 09:39 | <Chutt> | rkulagow, done, thanks |
| 09:39 | <rkulagow> | NP. better gdb instructions is the big thing |
| 09:39 | <Chutt> | excellent |
| 10:22 | <Chutt> | rkulagow, there's actually a way to get a bt of all threads at once |
| 10:22 | <Chutt> | using apply or whatnot |
| 10:32 | <rkulagow> | chutt: is apply a GDB command? not showing up here, or i'm not following you. |
| 10:32 | <Chutt> | 'sec |
| 10:33 | <Chutt> | 'thread apply all bt full' |
| 10:37 | <rkulagow> | got it. |
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| 10:51 | <Chutt> | rkulagow, any reason why you made the VERBOSE() macro take an arg? |
| 10:52 | <Chutt> | could just embed 'print_verbose_messages' in it, instead of passing it in |
| 10:52 | <rkulagow> | yeah, that's true. |
| 10:53 | <Chutt> | mind if i make that change? |
| 10:53 | <rkulagow> | no, go ahead. i was already looking through the code, but i'm on a con call so i don't have the cycles right now... |
| 10:54 | <rkulagow> | vonage doesn't suck as much as i thought it would. |
| 10:54 | <Chutt> | thanks |
| 10:54 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 10:54 | <rkulagow> | (lowered expectations due to years and years of shitty cell phones, i'm sure) |
| 10:54 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 10:55 | <rkulagow> | (but it actually sounds pretty good, and it means i can stop paying ameritech) |
| 10:56 | <rkulagow> | huh. just realized that one of the users on the ML was right; for some reason the ivtv driver isn't installing at boot time, but does from the CLI. |
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| 11:18 | <Chutt> | just call me mr. bugfix |
| 11:22 | <Chutt> | moegreen, it was missing a update(infoRect()) in cursorRight |
| 11:23 | <moegreen> | ah |
| 11:23 | * Chutt | does a little preemptive doc updating |
| 11:26 | <rkulagow> | ivtv minors? |
| 11:26 | <Chutt> | silly guy wants to have to make people create a /dev/mpeg file |
| 11:28 | <rkulagow> | great. like that's not going to cause problems. |
| 11:30 | <moegreen> | hmmm...Permission denied you cannot edit this PVR Entry...that's no good |
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| 13:05 | <rkulagow> | moegreen: are you here? |
| 13:08 | <moegreen> | yeah |
| 13:09 | <rkulagow> | i'm looking at the new EPG: is the recording status printed at the top of the screen supposed to update if i'm in a cell and hit "R"? the cell immediately gets a "R", but the status at the top doesn't change until after the selector moves off the cell. |
| 13:11 | <moegreen> | i probably don't have an update(infoRect()) after the R command |
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| 13:26 | <Chutt> | moegreen, want me to fix that? |
| 13:26 | <Chutt> | or have you already |
| 13:27 | <moegreen> | you can - i'm in the middle of something else right now :) |
| 13:27 | <Chutt> | sure thing |
| 13:27 | <Chutt> | i changed the default to 5 channels, 4 timeslots |
| 13:28 | <Chutt> | seems to look fairly decent in both modes |
| 13:28 | <moegreen> | yeah |
| 13:28 | <Chutt> | did you fix the icon stuff, or am i not seeing it anymore? |
| 13:29 | <moegreen> | the guy that emailed the list might have only been changing the one mode (non-video mode), which is why he didn't notice the changes probably |
| 13:29 | <moegreen> | Chutt: i didn't do anything with the icons recently...that issues really comes and goes |
| 13:29 | <Chutt> | i think he was changing the font sizes in the ui |
| 13:29 | <Chutt> | not in the theme |
| 13:29 | <Chutt> | ah hah |
| 13:30 | <moegreen> | Chutt: I took out the font sizes in the setup screens (at least in the program guide) |
| 13:30 | <Chutt> | easily reproduced by toggling a favorit |
| 13:30 | <Chutt> | favorite |
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| 13:42 | <rkulagow> | guys, something else that i wasn't expecting. i've got "start guide at channel 2" set, yet when i go into the EPG, the selector is on channel 4. when i start guide at channel 42, selector starts on 44. is this a side-effect of trying to center the selector when the EPG is first called up, or something else? |
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| 13:43 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 13:44 | <moegreen> | rkulagow: it is, I couldn't get it to start on the right channel - but it should be possible |
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| 14:05 | <orangey> | moegreen: are there going to be any cosmetic changes to the guide? or shoudl I go ahead with the theming? |
| 14:09 | <orangey> | moegreen: Another question. Could you quickly explain to me how the thing uses gg-chans and times in relation to the #s? |
| 14:10 | <moegreen> | orangey: everything should be good to start theming, most everything else will be minor bug fixes/changes. |
| 14:11 | <moegreen> | orangey: the widget that draws the channel and time bar will automatically resize and replicate the image depending on the user's settings. You set the area you want to give it, then it will do the rest. |
| 14:11 | <rkulagow> | guys, under what conditions will text be truncated with an ellipsis? in mythweather, running on a box that has X set to 640x480, the "today's forecast" page gets cut off right after "currently" |
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| 14:14 | <rkulagow> | ok, reproduced it on another box. 640x480 X, qt fonts set for 16 / 18 / 25 rather than the defaults. text gets cut off at "Curren..." |
| 14:14 | <moegreen> | rkulagow: the code to cut off stuff isn't perfect right now (because of multiline changes). It should cut it off if there isn't enough room vertically |
| 14:14 | <moegreen> | rkulagow: the fonts in mythweather don't use the qt font sizes, it uses the sizes in the weather-ui.xml file |
| 14:17 | <rkulagow> | ok; i just changed the fonts back to 12 / 16/ 25 and it's still getting cut off. i wasn't aware that the font stuff had moved to the ui.xml file; i was messing around with font sizes on the TV and thought that that was what caused it. |
| 14:18 | <moegreen> | rkulagow: yeah, you can try changing the fonts in the ui file or increasing the area given to it, though that screen should have plenty of room for that text block |
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| 14:27 | <moegreen> | rkulagow: your other option is to add <cutdown>no</cutdown> to that field, that will stop it from calling that code |
| 14:28 | <rkulagow> | hrmm. i just changed "todayfont" to 12, and the text is still getting cut off. is there something magic about the fact that i'm using 640x480 instead of higher X res? |
| 14:29 | <moegreen> | rkulagow: shouldn't - in fact I'm seeing that at 800x600. I need to rewrite the cutdown function after fully think through exactly how to do it, since I can't get each line back from the QString object, the code will have to parse through and do that itself |
| 14:29 | <moegreen> | try the cutdown option, that should work |
| 14:29 | <moegreen> | that field should have that anyway because it should never be that long anyways |
| 14:30 | <Chutt> | moegreen, is that the same reason like stuff in the conflicts screen gets cut off early? |
| 14:31 | <moegreen> | Chutt: yeah, I think so ... I messed with it for a long time, but decided I needed to take a step back and rethink exactly how to do it |
| 14:33 | <rkulagow> | yep, adding cutdown makes it work fine now. |
| 14:33 | <moegreen> | alright, I just added that to cvs |
| 14:37 | <rkulagow> | ok, that's it, i'm going to incorporate, get setup as a wholesale distributor and start selling myth boxes with phone support. that way i don't have to keep answering emails about "why don't you sell these boxes". as an added bonus, the HOWTO will become much much shorter since it will have standardized hardware. |
| 14:37 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 14:37 | <rkulagow> | (got _3_ in the mail in the last 24 hours) |
| 14:37 | <Chutt> | really? |
| 14:37 | <Chutt> | wow |
| 14:37 | <rkulagow> | "> I was also wondering, have you even considered building a bunch of these |
| 14:37 | <rkulagow> | > and selling them? I mean, this machine has it all!" |
| 14:38 | <Chutt> | i've only gotten one mythtv email offlist today, and it was some guy asking if i had any suggestions on porting to windows |
| 14:38 | <moegreen> | rkulagow: or you could purposely put wrong info in the howto to increase your call volume :) |
| 14:38 | <rkulagow> | hey, there's plenty enough wrong info in there already! =) |
| 14:39 | <rkulagow> | (or at least according to people that bitch about the docs, but don't offer suggestions, patches or even "this is wrong" type information) |
| 14:42 | <Chutt> | the docs are great |
| 14:43 | <Chutt> | if people bothered to read them =) |
| 14:44 | <moegreen> | heh, Will the PVR-350, installing the driver, remote control features of it, itegrated into the next, 0.9, release of the MythTV? |
| 14:45 | <rkulagow> | sure, and chutt will come over to your house and work the remote control for you. |
| 14:45 | <moegreen> | Chutt: http://mythtv.sourceforge.net/mc/conflictresolution.png <-- was that the early cutoff you meant? |
| 14:45 | <moegreen> | If so, that's from the ui.xml - the column isn't getting enough space probably |
| 14:45 | <Chutt> | that's exactly what i meant, yeah |
| 14:45 | <moegreen> | if you mean the list |
| 14:46 | <moegreen> | the description might not have the multiline set |
| 14:46 | <Chutt> | i meant the list, but the description also now that i see that =) |
| 14:51 | <moegreen> | ok, the colum width change is in cvs |
| 14:51 | <Chutt> | cool |
| 14:53 | * bigguy | is [away -={ EMT Practicals tonight till about 10PM CST }=- } |
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| 14:59 | <roga> | has anyone here tried to compile CVS MythTV on xbox linux (Ed's 0.31 Debian distro)? |
| 15:00 | <roga> | or...do you need libqt3-dev to make it? |
| 15:00 | <moegreen> | roga: I think someone on the list is using it - it'd be in the archives |
| 15:05 | <roga> | gawd im such a n00b - what do u mean by archives? |
| 15:06 | <Tuscany0_> | i think he means the mailing list archives |
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| 15:25 | <Chutt> | nice |
| 15:25 | <Chutt> | new dvd fits with an 1/8 inch to spare |
| 15:26 | <poptix> | heh |
| 15:27 | <poptix> | Chutt's never ending qwest for a smaller CD-ROM drive |
| 15:27 | <Chutt> | nope, it's ended =) |
| 15:27 | <Chutt> | now all i need is a quieter fan |
| 15:28 | <poptix> | Chutt: is the availability of both yuv and mpeg2 data going to be of any use to mythtv? |
| 15:28 | <Chutt> | absolutely none |
| 15:28 | <poptix> | =) |
| 15:28 | <Chutt> | i don't even see why they're wasting time on it |
| 15:28 | <poptix> | well |
| 15:28 | <Chutt> | why spend twice the price of a normal card if all you're going to do is use it like a normal card? |
| 15:29 | <poptix> | then purists like yourself can get the pure high quality YUV data =) |
| 15:32 | <Chutt> | i'm trying to decide if i want to make the mini-itx a totally stand along system |
| 15:32 | <Chutt> | or if i want to run it as a frontend |
| 15:32 | <Chutt> | since that was i can have something that doesn't break out in the living room if i take down the backend in my office |
| 15:35 | <mdz_> | Chutt: what are you going to use for a display? |
| 15:35 | <Chutt> | tv |
| 15:35 | <mdz_> | I thought the TV out on those things wasn't supported |
| 15:35 | <Chutt> | hopefully the tv out on this board doesn't suck |
| 15:35 | <mdz_> | going to use a PCI card? |
| 15:36 | <Chutt> | there's options for it in the driver readme |
| 15:36 | <mdz_> | hmmm |
| 15:36 | <poptix> | it's nice to see VIA doing open source type stuff |
| 15:36 | <Chutt> | a bunch of em, too |
| 15:36 | <Chutt> | mdz, apparently alan cox is using a epia-m as one of his main systems these days |
| 15:37 | <Chutt> | so he's been working on drivers and facilitating things with via and stuff |
| 15:37 | <mdz_> | it's tempting, they're pretty cheap, no? |
| 15:37 | <Chutt> | i think this board goes for $190 or so? |
| 15:37 | <Chutt> | not really cheap |
| 15:37 | <Chutt> | board + cpu, that is |
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| 15:37 | <Gulliver> | hi all |
| 15:37 | <Gulliver> | I have a problem with mythtv 0.8 |
| 15:38 | <Chutt> | but all you need is a case and a harddrive to make it a complete machine |
| 15:38 | <Gulliver> | I'm trying to do the first-time configuration and added a Video source "Television" which should get it's program-info from XMLTV de |
| 15:38 | <Chutt> | tv_grab_de doesn't work. |
| 15:38 | <Gulliver> | I am adviced to do "mythfilldatabase --manual" |
| 15:38 | <poptix> | i can pick up an Athlon XP 2000 + mobo for around $100 |
| 15:38 | <mdz_> | someone sells a mini-itx with a case and quiet fans |
| 15:38 | <mdz_> | and I don't want a hard drive |
| 15:38 | <Chutt> | mdz, this should be quiet =) |
| 15:38 | <Chutt> | but it's not |
| 15:39 | <Gulliver> | I did that, but it don't ask me for any channel info, but says "Unknown channel ... Skipping" |
| 15:39 | <roga> | quiet PC on Slashdot yesterday - Hush or something like that - no fans |
| 15:39 | <Chutt> | gulliver, i just said 'tv_grab_de doesn't work.' |
| 15:39 | <Gulliver> | Chutt: Does it generally not work, or just for the moment? |
| 15:39 | <Chutt> | generally |
| 15:39 | <mdz_> | $645 with CD an HDD |
| 15:39 | <Chutt> | the grabber's broken. |
| 15:39 | <Chutt> | roga, it's a slower cpu, too, i doubt it'd work as well |
| 15:40 | <Gulliver> | Chutt: but the mythfilldatabase shows all TV-Channels, I have - it just don't asks for the channel info?! |
| 15:40 | <mdz_> | I have to keep blowing the dust out of my CPU fan to keep my myth box cool |
| 15:40 | <Chutt> | gulliver, it doesn't work |
| 15:40 | <Chutt> | period |
| 15:41 | <Chutt> | mdz, coffee filters on the fan intakes |
| 15:41 | <roga> | well just for a front end PC |
| 15:42 | <roga> | im using an Xbox (well tryin too at least), but it's kinda loud |
| 15:42 | <Chutt> | roga, the nehemiah 1ghz machine, which is > 2x as fast as the ones the hush pc uses |
| 15:42 | <Chutt> | uses > 50% cpu to playback full-size video |
| 15:42 | <mdz_> | Chutt: that sounds like it would reduce airflow significantly :-) |
| 15:42 | <roga> | eewww |
| 15:42 | <rkulagow> | mdz: panty hose on fan intakes |
| 15:42 | <poptix> | i use plastic screen over my fans |
| 15:42 | <poptix> | like for the screens in a window |
| 15:42 | <poptix> | catches ~80% of the dust and crap |
| 15:43 | <poptix> | run it under some water every couple months |
| 15:43 | <Chutt> | let's see, how to word this request to the hauppauge guy for another card |
| 15:43 | <mdz_> | "gimme" |
| 15:43 | <poptix> | mdz_: hah |
| 15:44 | <Chutt> | hehe |
| 15:44 | <rkulagow> | "dear hauppauge guy. please give rkulagow and mdz 2 each PVR-250 cards. love, chutt." - how's that? |
| 15:44 | <mdz_> | heh |
| 15:44 | <Chutt> | rkulagow, bah, you've got one already |
| 15:44 | <Chutt> | working ok, btw? |
| 15:44 | <Gulliver> | next problem: if I start mythfrotnend it just says: "connecting to backend server: 127.0.0.1:6543" but nothing happens. Any ideas? |
| 15:44 | <roga> | ok now use babelfish on that to translate to german |
| 15:45 | <rkulagow> | yeah, i know. yes, the pvr-250 has been working fine. don't have the cycles right now to investigate the depmod / modprobe at boot issue right now. other than that, sweet. |
| 15:45 | <mdz_> | I wonder if those fins on the hush technologies mini-itx case are for cooling, or just for looks |
| 15:45 | <Chutt> | cooling |
| 15:45 | <Chutt> | these chips really don't seem to run all that cool |
| 15:46 | <Chutt> | this one's in the 40s at idle, for instance |
| 15:46 | <mdz_> | they don't have a delete for the hard disk |
| 15:46 | <mdz_> | my current myth box runs at 60 at idle |
| 15:46 | <mdz_> | or just below |
| 15:46 | <mdz_> | hell, my desktop runs at 50 |
| 15:46 | <Gulliver> | has nobody an idea? |
| 15:47 | <mdz_> | 40 is damn low |
| 15:47 | <mdz_> | only 1ghz though I guess |
| 15:47 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 15:48 | <poptix> | my home system runs around 65C idle |
| 15:48 | <Chutt> | really? |
| 15:48 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 15:48 | <poptix> | yeah |
| 15:48 | <mdz_> | that's hot |
| 15:48 | <poptix> | i've got 6 hard drives in the system |
| 15:48 | <mdz_> | my myth box gets unstable around 70 |
| 15:48 | <Chutt> | we've got a box at work that runs at 75c idle and under full load |
| 15:48 | <poptix> | and a few other systems in the same room |
| 15:48 | <poptix> | mdz_: mine does around 80C |
| 15:48 | <Chutt> | one of the dual athlon 1us that penguin computing sells |
| 15:48 | <poptix> | AMD says >= 80C == dead |
| 15:49 | <mdz_> | depends on the chip |
| 15:49 | <Chutt> | no fans on the chips |
| 15:49 | <mdz_> | the athlon in my myth box says 90C |
| 15:49 | <Chutt> | just a shitload of airflow over them |
| 15:49 | <mdz_> | but it gets ugly way before that |
| 15:49 | <poptix> | Chutt: heh |
| 15:49 | <mdz_> | Chutt: just a heatsink with fans blowing perpendicular then? |
| 15:50 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 15:50 | <Chutt> | it's a loud machine |
| 15:50 | <Chutt> | i want to buy one of their dual opteron boxes |
| 15:50 | <Chutt> | that'd kick ass at our stuff |
| 15:50 | <poptix> | Board: +52C |
| 15:50 | <poptix> | CPU: +65C |
| 15:51 | <poptix> | the fan is always within 5 rpm of 5400rpm |
| 15:51 | <poptix> | a lack of dust bunnies helps |
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| 16:06 | <Gulliver> | Chutt: I played a bit with tv_grab_de and it works. I get a nice xml-file with the tv-program of today! - so the problem seems not to be at tv_grab_de but at mythfilldatabase!? |
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| 16:06 | <Chutt> | no |
| 16:06 | <Chutt> | the problem is tv_grab_de |
| 16:06 | <Chutt> | as i've said, what, 4 times now? |
| 16:07 | <Gulliver> | Chutt: You said: "it don't work" - But I'm interested in _why_ it don't works, because I'm interested in getting it to work. |
| 16:07 | <Chutt> | i'm not going to waste time explaining how it's broken |
| 16:07 | <Chutt> | check the mailing list archives |
| 16:08 | <Chutt> | you can even find an alternate grabber for germany if you look hard enough |
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| 16:14 | * _inman_ | sighs. |
| 16:14 | <_inman_> | poptix: your archive is "the bomb". |
| 16:14 | <_inman_> | the bomb? |
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| 16:18 | <poptix> | heh |
| 16:18 | <poptix> | da bomb! |
| 16:18 | <poptix> | i added the search stuff to the bottom |
| 16:18 | <poptix> | instead of just a link to a search page |
| 16:20 | <_inman_> | that's quite a screenshot on the ivtv list. |
| 16:20 | <Chutt> | i'm getting occasional similar things |
| 16:20 | <Chutt> | thought it was an artifact of the decoder |
| 16:20 | <Chutt> | but, i'm not sure now =) |
| 16:20 | <poptix> | i haven't seen anything like that |
| 16:21 | <Chutt> | since if he was using mplayer or whatnot to take the screenshot, that's a totally different decoder |
| 16:21 | <_inman_> | right. |
| 16:21 | <poptix> | i wonder what resolution that was at |
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| 16:21 | <_inman_> | 544x480 |
| 16:21 | <poptix> | well, that's the image size |
| 16:21 | <_inman_> | sure. |
| 16:21 | <poptix> | that's an odd resolution to be watching video at |
| 16:22 | <Chutt> | not really |
| 16:22 | <Chutt> | that's the default 'high quality' tivo res, iirc |
| 16:22 | <poptix> | i've got a feeling that unusual resolutions cause that sort of thing |
| 16:22 | <poptix> | i don't run at anything but 720x480 |
| 16:22 | <Chutt> | i've seen it at 720x480, 640x480, 480x480 |
| 16:22 | <poptix> | really. |
| 16:22 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 16:23 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: did you ever hear of mythfrontend crashing when recordings start? |
| 16:23 | <Chutt> | very, very occasionally |
| 16:23 | <Chutt> | petecool, nope |
| 16:23 | <Chutt> | well, there was a bug with bookmarks in mpg files that'd do that |
| 16:23 | <Chutt> | but i fixed that a few days ago |
| 16:23 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: It's very repeatable here, I'll try to bt that tonigh |
| 16:23 | <Chutt> | thanks |
| 16:23 | <Chutt> | i'd appreciate that |
| 16:27 | <Chutt> | hehe |
| 16:27 | <Chutt> | i responded to the mythtv vs freevo post |
| 16:27 | <poptix> | which list |
| 16:27 | <poptix> | oh, there it is |
| 16:27 | <Chutt> | -users |
| 16:28 | <_inman_> | i need a hack to turn email with Content-type: text/html into normal mime'd messages with an extra plain-text encoding appended. |
| 16:28 | <hfb> | Chutt: Thanks for the info about RadioShack and the IR Detector Module. I just picked up two. :) |
| 16:28 | <_inman_> | anyone got such an animal? |
| 16:28 | <Chutt> | i think i was very objective |
| 16:29 | <Chutt> | hfb, someone posted that to the mythtv list months ago, i bookmarked it for when i get around to building my own |
| 16:29 | <Chutt> | guy from hauppauge: 'I just need a shipping address' |
| 16:29 | <Chutt> | yay =) |
| 16:30 | <_inman_> | for what? |
| 16:30 | <Chutt> | pvr card |
| 16:30 | <_inman_> | 350? |
| 16:30 | <Chutt> | i dunno |
| 16:30 | * _inman_ | crosses his fingers. |
| 16:30 | <Chutt> | i just said if they could spare a 250 or a 350, i'd probably find a use for one |
| 16:31 | * _inman_ | dinfs ti darh ot eypt. |
| 16:31 | * _inman_ | nods. |
| 16:31 | <PeteCool> | eh, I could use a few too ;) |
| 16:31 | <Chutt> | yeah, but see, i'm generating revenue for them |
| 16:31 | <poptix> | Chutt: they're willing to ship you hardware, but not hand out technical specs? |
| 16:31 | <Chutt> | :p |
| 16:31 | <_inman_> | goddinn si rasiee |
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| 16:31 | <poptix> | bastards =P |
| 16:31 | <Chang> | Chutt : You sure are |
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| 16:32 | <Chutt> | poptix, i imagine they're helping with things |
| 16:32 | <Chutt> | looking the other way for the driver leak, etc =) |
| 16:32 | <bigguy> | damn you people with jobs getting the free chit |
| 16:32 | * poptix | forges email from Chutt to divert package to his home address |
| 16:32 | <Chutt> | and didn't kevin get a 350 recently? |
| 16:32 | <Chutt> | i imagine he didn't pay for that =) |
| 16:32 | <Chutt> | just a guess on that, though |
| 16:33 | <Cloak> | freevothytv |
| 16:33 | <nnmai> | he is getting one, but i think it was donated. |
| 16:33 | <poptix> | i think freevo is eventually going to have a mythtv plugin |
| 16:33 | <Chutt> | wasn't my comparison objective? |
| 16:33 | <poptix> | shell out all the PVR stuff to myth =p |
| 16:34 | <Cloak> | yup chutt |
| 16:34 | <poptix> | and remain the pretty menuing system that it is |
| 16:34 | <bigguy> | wtf do people always say it's easier to develop cause it's written in python? WTF does the language have to do with anything if the programmer isn't an ignorant choad |
| 16:34 | <Chutt> | i dunno |
| 16:34 | <Cloak> | heh, you're not worth responding to bigguy |
| 16:34 | <Chutt> | people think python's fast |
| 16:34 | <Chutt> | i've never used it |
| 16:34 | <poptix> | bigguy: the whole freevo project was started to 'prove' that python can do something halfway useful. |
| 16:34 | <bigguy> | Cloak: I am so |
| 16:34 | <poptix> | Chutt: it's not. |
| 16:34 | <Cloak> | ignore works wonders |
| 16:34 | <Chutt> | fast to develop in |
| 16:34 | <poptix> | Chutt: it's not =) |
| 16:35 | <Cloak> | its easier to develop in, regardless of speed |
| 16:35 | <bigguy> | who is this Cloak guy? |
| 16:35 | <poptix> | Cloak: it's easy to develop things in java too |
| 16:35 | <poptix> | would you use it for a PVR? |
| 16:36 | <Cloak> | at least from what i've seen the freevo guys offload all the heavy lifting to other apps |
| 16:36 | <poptix> | exactly |
| 16:36 | <Cloak> | that tend to be written in c and using python as glue |
| 16:36 | <poptix> | it's a menuing program |
| 16:36 | <nnmai> | Chutt: but, one doesn't need an X server running to run the backend. |
| 16:36 | <bigguy> | it's easy to develop things in any language if you don't just try to hack everything together and expect it to work :) |
| 16:36 | <Chutt> | <shrug> |
| 16:37 | <nnmai> | Chutt: i'm talking about myth, here. |
| 16:37 | <Chutt> | right |
| 16:37 | <Cloak> | is directfb worth looking at? |
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| 16:37 | <nnmai> | Cloak: qt/e is worth looking at, imo. |
| 16:37 | * nnmai | built it but hasn't had time to try to build myth against it. |
| 16:37 | <poptix> | i was looking at qt/e |
| 16:38 | <Cloak> | i still can't get to directfb's site |
| 16:38 | <poptix> | it looks fairly easy to run regular qt applications under it |
| 16:38 | <poptix> | Cloak: it's been /.'d |
| 16:38 | <Cloak> | ya |
| 16:38 | <Cloak> | someone msged me to look at it |
| 16:38 | <Cloak> | and afterwards warned me it was /.ed |
| 16:39 | <nnmai> | python is my language of choice, but if i were hacking freevo, i think i'd have to go to C in places just to get the speed up. |
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| 16:39 | <Cloak> | i'd probably try stackless and psyco first |
| 16:39 | <Chutt> | i never got directfb working on my g200 |
| 16:39 | <Chutt> | tried for a couple hours back in january |
| 16:40 | <nnmai> | stackless is the language behind EVE (MMORPG) |
| 16:40 | <nnmai> | i'm impressed with that. |
| 16:40 | <bigguy> | oh well. I've got my Practical Examinations tonight. I'm off. Be back around 11CST |
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| 16:40 | <Cloak> | eve is one of the main reasons for stackless |
| 16:40 | <Cloak> | does a few million frame switches/s |
| 16:40 | <poptix> | Chutt: the frontend gets everything from the backend, correct? |
| 16:41 | <Chutt> | mostly |
| 16:41 | <Chutt> | but, yeah |
| 16:41 | <poptix> | what else does a frontend need to know, besides the IP of the backend? |
| 16:41 | <Chutt> | it doesn't need to know that |
| 16:41 | <Chutt> | it just needs the mysql db info |
| 16:41 | <Chutt> | master backend ip's in the db |
| 16:41 | <poptix> | i'm going to build a little mythtv-on-a-CD bootable thing |
| 16:41 | <Chutt> | i just setup a remote frontend |
| 16:41 | <Chutt> | grab cvs, compile |
| 16:42 | <Chutt> | edit mysql.txt |
| 16:42 | <Chutt> | run |
| 16:42 | <poptix> | alright |
| 16:42 | <Chutt> | took no time at all =) |
| 16:42 | <Cloak> | i finally got it working heh |
| 16:42 | <Cloak> | i couldn't get the v4l2 patch to work on the debian kernel-source-2.4.20 |
| 16:43 | * poptix | tries to think of a good way to get the mysql info onto a CD |
| 16:43 | <poptix> | i could cram it into the CD label |
| 16:43 | <poptix> | and read that on boot |
| 16:43 | <Chutt> | could make a popup in mythtv |
| 16:43 | <Chutt> | that asks for it |
| 16:43 | <Chutt> | on startup |
| 16:43 | <Chutt> | if it doesn't have it already |
| 16:43 | <Chutt> | or can't connect or whatnot |
| 16:44 | <poptix> | hmm |
| 16:44 | <nnmai> | poptix: i would think you'd want it dynamically. |
| 16:44 | <poptix> | why? |
| 16:44 | <poptix> | you can change the CD label when you burn the CD |
| 16:44 | <nnmai> | poptix: so your image would work on anyone's network. |
| 16:44 | <poptix> | if that's not reachable, prompt for it |
| 16:45 | <nnmai> | that's not going to be enough space, i don't think. |
| 16:47 | <nnmai> | why the fsck can't mozilla use a profile already in use. |
| 16:48 | <nnmai> | that "feature" is suck a pita. |
| 16:48 | <nnmai> | such, too. |
| 16:48 | <poptix> | nnmai: you probably have a stale lock |
| 16:48 | <nnmai> | no, i just have another mozilla open. |
| 16:48 | <nnmai> | so why? so launch another copy of the damn software. |
| 16:48 | <nnmai> | wtf is this, 1981? |
| 16:48 | <poptix> | i have no problem spawning multiple copies of mozilla under the same profile |
| 16:49 | <nnmai> | "Mozilla cannot use the profile "default" because it is in use." |
| 16:49 | <nnmai> | "Please choose another profile or create a new one." |
| 16:49 | <poptix> | under the current copy of mozilla, go to file->new window |
| 16:49 | <nnmai> | poptix: i'm not a moron. i've been living with this bug for months. |
| 16:49 | <nnmai> | poptix: what's strange is that if i make a new window and then try to launch mozilla again, it works. |
| 16:50 | <nnmai> | poptix: it's a BUG. |
| 16:50 | <poptix> | windows or linux? |
| 16:50 | <nnmai> | linux, gentoo, mozilla 1.3 |
| 16:50 | <poptix> | i still think you might have a stale lock somewhere =) |
| 16:51 | <nnmai> | and making a new window fixes it. fine. it's /still/ a bug. :-) |
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| 17:13 | <inman> | all my programs in the new epg are listed as '...'; surely my font isn't /that/ large. |
| 17:13 | <Chutt> | how many channels? |
| 17:14 | <Chutt> | (displayed, of course) |
| 17:14 | <Chutt> | and how many timeslots? |
| 17:15 | <inman> | reducing these lets me see stuff, but everything was fine before i upgraded the epg. |
| 17:15 | <Chutt> | the new one has slightly less space for display, i think |
| 17:16 | <inman> | yep. |
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| 17:29 | <Chutt> | geez |
| 17:30 | <Chutt> | last month had 364 more email messages than march |
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| 17:30 | <Chutt> | 91 a day |
| 17:31 | <_inman_> | from slashdot, or pvr? |
| 17:32 | <Chutt> | didn't really see a big slashdot influx |
| 17:39 | <poptix> | gah |
| 17:40 | <poptix> | my mail mrtg graphs stopped working at exactly midnight |
| 17:40 | * poptix | scratches his head |
| 17:41 | <poptix> | oh shit |
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| 17:58 | <poptix> | http://www.poptix.net/mrtg/mail |
| 18:01 | <Universe> | hmm... can't seem to find the link to the searchable ML |
| 18:03 | <poptix> | Universe: for myth? |
| 18:04 | <Universe> | yes |
| 18:04 | <Universe> | there use to be one on the old webste |
| 18:04 | <poptix> | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/archive/MythTV_C2/Dev_F10/ |
| 18:04 | <_inman_> | it was removed because noone was reading the archives. |
| 18:04 | <poptix> | that's mythtv-dev |
| 18:04 | <Universe> | that will work |
| 18:04 | <poptix> | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/archive/MythTV_C2/Users_F11/ |
| 18:04 | <poptix> | that's -users |
| 18:04 | <Universe> | thanks |
| 18:05 | <poptix> | next time use google |
| 18:05 | <poptix> | it's the second link for 'mythtv archives' on google |
| 18:05 | <Universe> | ahh... |
| 18:06 | <Universe> | well... I figured it should have been a link under Gerernal Info / Lists.. but I guess thats just me |
| 18:06 | <poptix> | when all else fails, google |
| 18:06 | <poptix> | all else does not include asking someone else |
| 18:07 | <Universe> | but asking got me the answer.. |
| 18:08 | <moegreen> | Universe: it's in the General Info / Lists, the problem is the link color is maybe one or two shades off of the text color |
| 18:08 | <Universe> | ahh... |
| 18:09 | <Universe> | I see it now |
| 18:10 | <rkulagow> | i got "hit" by the same thing when a user said, "i bought such and such card from bestbuy off the link on the mythtv website" and i'm like, WTF? Turns out that there _is_ a hyperlink, but the link color is so close to the background that I had no idea it was even there. |
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| 18:26 | <poptix> | which page? |
| 18:26 | <poptix> | "So, in late April 2002, I started tinkering with stuff. I bought a cheap TV tuner card from BestBuy, and threw it into my .." |
| 18:26 | <poptix> | where 'cheap tv tuner card' is a hyperlink to http://www.bestbuy.com/Detail.asp?m=488&cat=521&scat=522&e=11008484 |
| 18:27 | <poptix> | looks fine to me, but then, it's a matter of how your web browser is setup |
| 18:28 | <Chutt> | "I'll put you in for one to be shipped next week." |
| 18:28 | <Chutt> | =) |
| 18:28 | <Chutt> | 350, apparently |
| 18:33 | <poptix> | heh |
| 18:33 | <poptix> | bastard |
| 18:34 | <Universe> | You can send me your old 250 |
| 18:40 | <poptix> | hahaha |
| 18:40 | <poptix> | check this out |
| 18:40 | <poptix> | http://www.digital-sanyo.com/BURN-Proof/HD-BURN/ |
| 18:40 | <poptix> | 1.4GB of data on a standard CD-R |
| 18:40 | <poptix> | the little comic strip on the right side is great |
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| 20:20 | <yebyen> | Chutt: do you use Qtopia Desktop at all? |
| 20:54 | <_shad> | if (QTime::currentTime() > curtime) |
| 20:54 | <_shad> | { |
| 20:54 | <_shad> | cerr << "Backend stuffed up in RequestBlock\n"; |
| 20:55 | <_shad> | I'm getting that a lot, basically what does it mean? |
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| 22:39 | <Morph> | hmm. latest cvs wont built.. |
| 22:39 | <Morph> | er build. |
| 22:43 | <moegreen> | is that so - where is it failing? |
| 22:43 | <Morph> | mythepg :) |
| 22:44 | <Morph> | ../../libs/libmyth/libmyth-0.9.so: undefined reference to `std::basic_ios<char, std::char_traits<char> >::init(std::basic_streambuf<char, std::char_traits<char> >*)' |
| 22:44 | <moegreen> | did you do the make distclean and what not? |
| 22:45 | <Morph> | Yup. |
| 22:45 | * Morph | does so again |
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| 23:13 | <Morph> | Nope. failed again. same spot. |
| 23:16 | <moegreen> | Morph: when was your last cvs update? |
| 23:16 | <Morph> | an hour or so ago. |
| 23:16 | <moegreen> | yeah, but before that? |
| 23:16 | <Morph> | awhile ago. a week or less. |
| 23:17 | <Morph> | hmm think I should trash it and recheckout? |
| 23:20 | <moegreen> | no harm in trying |
| 23:22 | <Morph> | yeah.. |
| 23:24 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 23:24 | <Chutt> | there's a pretty bad storm here |
| 23:24 | <Chutt> | so my analog cable has all these mpeg artifacts |
| 23:25 | <Chutt> | dropped frames and stuff |
| 23:25 | <Chutt> | crazy =) |
| 23:26 | <justin_> | here too, though the tv is fine:) |
| 23:26 | <Chutt> | morph, might be a good idea to remove your installed libmyth as well, though i doubt that'll help |
| 23:26 | <Chutt> | morph, also, seeing as you're familiar with mini-itx stuff -- know of a decent quiet 40mm fan? |
| 23:26 | <justin_> | ours is satellite, might have something to do with it:) |
| 23:27 | <Morph> | Chutt: a fan? No. you looking for a quiet powersupply? |
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| 23:27 | <Chutt> | i've got a powersupply that has a semi-bad fan |
| 23:28 | <Chutt> | has a high pitched whine to it, lookin to void my warranty and replace it =) |
| 23:28 | <Morph> | heh you cant avoid those whines. |
| 23:28 | <Chutt> | naw, this single fan is louder than the 6 total in my 1800+ |
| 23:28 | <Chutt> | 6 db =) |
| 23:28 | <wigginjs> | Chutt: checkout www.plycon.com they sell 40mm |
| 23:29 | <wigginjs> | two different models i believe |
| 23:29 | <Morph> | nono. I mean you personally cant avoid the whines. the ivtv driver, the powersupplies :) |
| 23:29 | <Chutt> | aah |
| 23:29 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 23:29 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 23:29 | <Chutt> | bought a g-alantic 610i |
| 23:29 | <Chutt> | i rather like it, aside from the fan |
| 23:30 | <Morph> | but anyways, I dont know where the one im using in one of these mini-itx boxes came from but I'll find out. |
| 23:30 | <Chutt> | cool, thanks |
| 23:30 | <Morph> | sure. |
| 23:31 | <Chutt> | wigginjs, their website menu doesn't quite work in konq |
| 23:33 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 23:34 | <Chutt> | 27 dB |
| 23:34 | <Chutt> | not exactly quiet |
| 23:34 | <Chutt> | i think directron sells those, and a papst model that i'll probably end up going with |
| 23:34 | <Chutt> | the papst is rated at 19dB, but it's pricey |
| 23:36 | <poptix> | we all need freon piping through our hopes, with lacks on the wall for computers to plug into |
| 23:36 | <Chutt> | but 19dB, even boosted up high by being enclosed so much in the power supply, should be quiet enough |
| 23:37 | <poptix> | hopes/homes |
| 23:37 | <poptix> | er |
| 23:37 | <poptix> | jacks |
| 23:37 | * poptix | is tired |
| 23:38 | <Chutt> | no excuse |
| 23:39 | <poptix> | my brain turned into slush and dripped out my ear while I slept |
| 23:41 | <Morph> | You need the freon ear hose to keep your brain from melting. |
| 23:42 | <poptix> | yes. |
| 23:42 | <mdz_> | I have the pabst and it's not that quiet |
| 23:42 | <mdz_> | the small one |
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| 23:43 | <Chutt> | the 40mm fan? |
| 23:43 | <Chutt> | i've got an 80mm papst that's dead silent |
| 23:43 | <Chutt> | it's the cpu fan on my 1800+ |
| 23:45 | <Chutt> | someone needs to go through that dvb stuff for me |
| 23:46 | <Chutt> | i don't want to =) |
| 23:46 | <Chutt> | and |
| 23:46 | <poptix> | chutt |
| 23:46 | <Chutt> | incompetent people that run their own mail servers should be shot |
| 23:46 | <poptix> | get someone to send you a DVB card w/ free satellite service |
| 23:46 | <Chutt> | and convince my wife to put a dish up? |
| 23:46 | <poptix> | =) |
| 23:46 | <Chutt> | not going to happen =) |
| 23:47 | <Chutt> | besides, my reception should be terrible here |
| 23:47 | <Chutt> | there's too many trees |
| 23:47 | <Chutt> | unless i put up a huge pole or something |
| 23:48 | <poptix> | do they make similar cards for digital cable? |
| 23:48 | <Chutt> | over there they do |
| 23:48 | <Chutt> | i don't believe they work here |
| 23:48 | <poptix> | suck. |
| 23:49 | <poptix> | i hate cable companies |
| 23:49 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 23:49 | <poptix> | i've convinced my landlord to let me provide internet and cable TV to our tenants |
| 23:49 | <Chutt> | quiet mailing list |
| 23:49 | <Chutt> | tonight |
| 23:49 | <poptix> | i just have to find an economical solution |
| 23:50 | <poptix> | Chutt: X2 is in theatres tonight |
| 23:50 | <Chutt> | no one responded to my mythtv vs freevo response |
| 23:50 | <Chutt> | ah yes |
| 23:50 | <Chutt> | perhaps i'll go see that in a bit |
| 23:50 | <Chutt> | theaters suck |
| 23:50 | <poptix> | in fact, i need to go buy tickets |
| 23:50 | <poptix> | i have an excellent theatre 2 blocks down the road |
| 23:50 | <poptix> | brand new |
| 23:50 | <Chutt> | the one near here is fairly new |
| 23:50 | <poptix> | low traffic |
| 23:50 | <Chutt> | but they still suck |
| 23:51 | <Chutt> | there's _people_ there |
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| 23:51 | <poptix> | we have reclining seats |
| 23:51 | <Chutt> | people that _talk_ |
| 23:51 | <poptix> | oh |
| 23:51 | <poptix> | we kill the people who talk |
| 23:51 | <Chutt> | does it have armrests that lift up between seats? =) |
| 23:51 | <poptix> | yes |
| 23:51 | <poptix> | and you know those people who think it's a good idea to bring their babies into movies? |
| 23:52 | <Chutt> | someone that had to use the removable armrests sat in front of me once |
| 23:52 | <poptix> | they're instantly vaporized when they drive into the parking lot. |
| 23:52 | <Chutt> | needless to say, we moved shortly after |
| 23:52 | <poptix> | why for? |
| 23:52 | <poptix> | oh, like, wide load? |
| 23:52 | <Chutt> | he was rather rancid |
| 23:52 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 23:52 | <poptix> | ah. |
| 23:52 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 23:53 | <Chutt> | i just want to finish my basement and buy a projector |
| 23:53 | <poptix> | they're not afraid to tell people they smell like shit here |
| 23:53 | <poptix> | and refuse them service |
| 23:53 | <poptix> | they don't want someones sweaty rancid ass in their theatre seats anyway |
| 23:53 | <poptix> | it's not worth $7.50 for a lifetime of smelly seat |
| 23:54 | <poptix> | bbiab |
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