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00:18<Morph>hrm. clean tree and it died at the same point.
00:20<Chutt>add an #include <iostream>
00:20<Chutt>and a using namespace std;
00:20<Chutt>to mythcontext.h
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00:22<Morph>`using namespace std;` is already there.
00:23<Chutt>just the iostream include, then
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00:28* poptixreturns with X2 tickets
00:29<poptix>Debit Card Purchase To Kerasotes Theatres In Springfield IL -15.00 May 1, 2003 Pending
00:29<poptix>apparently I live in springfield
00:33<wigginjs>uh oh
00:33<wigginjs>nothing fun about credit card fraug
00:34<Morph>hmm still failing.
00:34<poptix>no, i just went to the theatre like 5 minutes ago to buy tickets
00:34<Chutt>morph, which gcc version?
00:34<poptix>it just thinks that my theatre is in springfield.
00:34<Morph>Chutt: 3.2.3
00:34<Chutt>same as here
00:35<Chutt>i just did a clean compile earlier today
00:35* Morphchecks for updates
00:53<Chutt>the audio driver for the via82xx or whatever it is is kinda broken :/
00:53<Chutt>get occasional repeats of audio sections, like after i unpause or whatnot
01:04<Morph>are you using alsa?
01:07<Chutt>alsa just made horrible crackling noises
01:07<Chutt>using the driver in 2.4.21-rc1-ac3
01:09<Morph>I found alsa worked pretty well.
01:09<Chutt>which version?
01:09<Chutt>i was just using the latest, and decided not to blow out my speakers =)
01:10<Morph>0.9. something..
01:10* Morphlooks
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01:12<Chutt>that's what i tried
01:13<Morph>well..maybe not, you have super hearing apparently :)
01:13<Chutt>you'd definitely notice this
01:13<Chutt>tons and tons of cracks and garbage on the line out
01:13<Morph>Oh wow..
01:14<Morph>NO, I didnt hear that.
01:14<Chutt>i was serious about the 'blow out my speakers' bit, if it was louder i could've damaged things
01:15<Chutt>apparently 0.9.0rc6 works
01:15<Chutt>judging from forum postings i've seen
01:15<Chutt>from people with similar problems
01:16<Morph>hmm mythtv just finished building. no errors.
01:29<Morph>and it works.
01:30* Morphwatches insomniac via mythtv
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02:02<Morph>new EPG rocks.
02:11<FryGuy>does anyone know the cheapest tv-out card for linux that supports composite? or tv-out in svideo + the price of a svideo->composite converter
02:13<moegreen>I got my matrox G400 off of ebay for $35, plus 12 for the tv out cable
02:26<FryGuy>+ shipping?
02:30<FryGuy>and do you have to get the dual-head, or does the adapter thingy work on the single one?
02:40<Morph>hmm lirc not working.
02:41<Morph>not working with myth that is.
02:52<FryGuy>I think my setup is kind of confusing
02:53<FryGuy>can mythtv know to tune to channel 4 and change channels on my receiver through lirc?
02:53<FryGuy>or can it know to switch to composite and read from line in instead of mic
02:53<FryGuy>or do I need to get another sound card :/
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03:51<poptix>X2 was good
03:56<Gulliver>morning all
03:57<Gulliver>I have a problem with fvwm. I'm trying to use it as wm for my mythtv box. so I copied the fvwmrc.example to ~/.fvwmrc, but it seems like fvwm ignores it. it still draws the win-deco, etc.
03:59<bline>how's it goin
03:59<bline>never used fvwm..
03:59<bline>windowmaker works well for me with now modification to conf
04:00<Gulliver>the mythtv doci just says i should copy the example to ~/.fvwmrc . and i did that
04:00<Gulliver>bline: i'll give it a try! ... 'emerge windowmaker' (c;
04:01<bline>yeah, im on gentoo as well
04:02<Gulliver>hmmm... I should five mythtv cvs a try... looks pretty cool (c:
04:03<Gulliver>give - i meant
04:03<bline>yeah, i figured heh
04:04<bline>I just widh I could get this monitor working on my geforce along with the tv out
04:04<Gulliver>are you using the proprietary nvidia drivers?
04:04<Gulliver>which card is it?
04:05<bline>geforce2 mx400 with svideo out
04:05<Gulliver>do you want to mirror the output from the monitor to the tv or dou you want to extend you screen?
04:05<bline>I get ld errors about some missing function is I try to start x with both the tv and monitor plugged in
04:06<Gulliver>could you send me your XF86Config?
04:06<Gulliver>and the xfree-error-log
04:06<bline>I just want a seperate display so I don't have to irc at 640x480 :)
04:06<Gulliver>ok, so you want to use the twinview option.
04:07<bline>I would have to reset it up for deul screens
04:07<bline>no, just a seperate display. All you have to do is add the x,y options to the Screen option in the Layout section
04:07<Gulliver>twinview-config with nvidia driver is really easy...
04:07<bline>and add Screen options to each video card
04:08<bline>yeah, I've done it before
04:08<bline>Im just thinking this card doesn't support both outs at the same time
04:08<bline>though that does seem strange
04:08<Gulliver>if you want to use both outputs of _one_ card you have to use the twinview-option offered by the driver.
04:08<Gulliver>i think gf2mx supports it...
04:09<bline>oh, I didn't know that. Where are the docs for that?
04:11<Gulliver> (c:
04:11<Gulliver>drivers -> linux -> x86
04:11<bline>ok, i'll look. Thanks!
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05:54<bline>seems twinview is the only way to get this monitor and the tv going at the same time
05:55<bline>but the video in myth is fullscreen to the size of the monitor so I see 60% of the picture on the tv
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11:20<justin_>mdz: how exactly is someone supposed to install the mythtv debs?
11:20<mdz>justin_: by following the instructions on the web page
11:20<justin_>mdz: there are none
11:20<mdz>then you are looking at the wrong web page
11:20<justin_>mdz: they get errors in myth-database
11:20<justin_> Setting up mythtv-database (0.8-11) ...
11:20<justin_>Failed to connect to database: Access denied for user: 'root@localhost' (Using password: YES) at -e line 5, <> line 1.
11:20<justin_>they swear they never got asked for a username/password
11:20<mdz>they only get asked for a password if their priority is set low enough
11:21<mdz>otherwise it assumes they have never changed it
11:21<mdz>if they have changed it, they'll need to dpkg-reconfigure --force mythtv-database
11:21<mdz>I'm probably going to change that in the next release
11:21<justin_>"dpkg-reconfigure says its not installed or partially installed"
11:21<mdz>that's what --force is for
11:22<mdz>I don't understand why this is a problem though
11:22<mdz>mysql-server displays a message telling the user to change the mysql root password, but it does so at a low priority
11:22<justin_>i had two friends install the debs and both got the same thing
11:22<mdz>are they the sort of people who would change their mysql root password?
11:23<justin_>one no, the other yes
11:23<justin_>one of them didnt have mysql until mythtv depended on it
11:23<mdz>the one who set his password should be using a lower debconf priority :-)
11:23<mdz>that one definitely should have worked out of the obx
11:23<justin_>"it just asks the username now!"
11:23<mdz>there is one known problem with when it pulls in mysql-server for mythtv
11:24<mdz>and that is that mysql-server does not actually start up by default
11:24<mdz>which is stupid
11:24<justin_>what priority would it need to be?
11:24<mdz>it asks whether it shoudl start
11:24<mdz>but it asks at low priority and the default is "no"
11:24<justin_>dpkg-reconfigure has a --priority flag...
11:24<mdz>I don't think I can fix that in the mythtv packages
11:24<mdz>yeah, -plow
11:25<mdz>but I thought it would always ask all the questions from dpkg-reconfigure
11:25<mdz>(i.e., low is the default)
11:25<justin_>yeah, says the default is low
11:25<mdz> -pvalue, --priority=value
11:25<mdz> Specify the minimum priority of question that will be displayed.
11:25<mdz> dpkg-reconfigure normally shows low priority questions no matter
11:25<mdz> what your default priority is.
11:26<mdz>so the one who didn't have mysql will probably need to dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server and then dpkg-reconfigure --force mythtv-database
11:26<justin_>wht about the one that has mysql installed but changed the password?
11:27<mdz>dpkg-reconfigure --force mythtv-database will ask for the password
11:27<justin_>he said that only asked for the username
11:27<mdz>he lies :-)
11:28<justin_>he says it doesnt:)
11:28<mdz>I just tested it, and it does
11:28<justin_>he jsut said it didn't:)
11:30<justin_>what is the mythtv system account for?
11:30<mdz>running mythtv
11:31<mdz>that user (and group) has write access to the database and mythtv's data
11:31<justin_>I just run mythtv under my normal X session, you can do that with the debs right?
11:31<mdz>yes, just add yourself to the mythtv group
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11:34<justin_>he still can't get it installed heh
11:35<justin_>I dunno wtf his problem is, when i installed 0.70 from the debs it took 30 seconds
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11:44<mdz>likewise for every time I have tested them
11:44<mdz>the mysql not starting bit is the only genuine problem I am aware of
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11:45<rkulagow>chutt: are you going to whack the code now that they're gone?
11:45<mdz>I think the only thing I can do about that is to print a message about it if it fails to connect to the database
11:45<justin_>why do you think it wouldn't ask for the password?
11:45<Chutt>rkulagow, i disabled the ui to select it
11:47<justin_>mdz: shouldn't /usr/share/mythtv/mysql.txt be readable?
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11:58<mdz>justin_: only by the mythtv group
11:58<mdz>that is the point
11:58<mdz>that file exists to hold the password basically
11:58<mdz>justin_: I have no idea why it would not ask for the password; in fact I do not believe it
11:59<mdz>unless some dependent piece is hosed, like debconf
12:00<Chutt>poptix, could you send me that msp3400 patch whenever you get a chance?
12:00<justin_>mdz: he said that file was root:root
12:01<mdz>justin_: it's a symlink
12:01<mdz>he probably did ls -l and didn't read it
12:01<justin_>wouldn't be surprised:)
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12:02<justin_>now he gets "Session management error: Could not open network socket" starting the backend
12:02<Chutt>that should be ignorable
12:02<mdz>I don't know why some people get that and I don't
12:02<bline>i've had that, when my slash was full
12:03<Chutt>bline, does just turning off automatic commercial skipping fix things as well?
12:03<bline>Chutt: you refering to my mailing list post?
12:04<justin_>hmm great
12:04<justin_>he doesn't have a tv card right now, but wants to run mythmusic etc
12:04<mdz>then why did he install the backend?
12:04<justin_>but mythfrontend wont start without mythbackend, and mythbackend wont start without a tv card
12:04<mdz>you don't need mythfrontend to run mythmusic
12:04<bline>I tried it with several options in the commercial skipping section, it only seemed to stop skipping when all of them were off.
12:05<justin_>yeah but then you dont get a nice menu to pick between mythgame/music/etc
12:05<bline>But I could have missed something
12:05<bline>I could go home early today if you want me to debug it further ;)
12:05<Chutt>naw :p
12:05<bline>the joys of my workplace
12:06<Chutt>so how much traffic do the mythtv archives get?
12:06<bline>I'll go look, one sec
12:06<Chutt>just curious =)
12:09<justin_>great:) now he says mythmusic won't run because it cna't find the theme
12:10<justin_>what sets the theme for the first time, setup?
12:10<mdz>hmm, that is possibly a bug
12:10<justin_>cause it says:
12:10<justin_>Couldn't find theme /usr/share/mythtv/themes/
12:10<bline>yesterday we got 3,628 requests in the archive
12:10<mdz>the themes ship with the frontend
12:10<justin_>yeah, the files are there, but its trying to open theme ""
12:11<mdz>yeah, that's not going to work for a number of reasons
12:11<mdz>you need to start the frontend in order to set the default theme
12:11<mdz>and the themes are in the frontend package
12:11<bline>2,810 where mythtv
12:11<justin_>well he has the frontend installed, it just wont run
12:11<bline>leader by far in all the mailing list archives
12:12<mdz>justin_: mythtv is going to be a big pain in the ass if all he wants to do is to play music
12:12<mdz>tell him to install xmms instead
12:12<Chutt>he can always just define a dummy tuner card in the backend
12:12<Chutt>bline, heh, nice =)
12:14* justin_never understands why people have so many problems
12:16<mdz>because they are using the wrong tools
12:17<justin_>and setup tells you to run mythfilldatabase right?
12:17<justin_>cause he just pasted more errors because he didn't run it, and i swear something tells you to
12:17<Chutt>he doesn't need to, of course
12:20<justin_>ok, he finally got it running
12:20<justin_>he says hes getting the tv card later today
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12:45* poptixprepares patch
12:45<poptix>well, trying at least
12:45<poptix>sourceforge's cvs servers are sucking lately
12:47<poptix>make sure you don't load the msp driver at all
12:47<Chutt>you didn't remove the old init code
12:47<poptix>for the msp3400 module? no
12:47<poptix>no need to
12:50<poptix>as I said, i doubt it'll do anything but tuner audio input
12:50<poptix>but that's all I use, and the whine is gone
12:51<poptix>until someone with decent hearing can fix the real problem, which I've been unable to track down
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13:08<Xebo>I think I finally have my IRC setup correct now. :)
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14:12<poptix>people who hijack threads should be shot
14:14<Chutt>i don't even thread my mythtv box
14:16<poptix>i pick your posts out of threads, then collapse them and mark them as read.
14:23<Chutt>kmail doesn't like it if you select a few thousand messages
14:25<Chutt>kinda wish it'd automatically move message over a certain age into another folder
14:32<mdz>I just have messages I've read moved into another folder
14:33<mdz>and flag things that I don't want to be moved yet
14:34<poptix>i have procmail do all that for me
14:34<poptix>* ^|\
14:34<poptix> ^TOmythtv-users
14:35<poptix>mail/.myth-users/myth-users-`date +%b-%Y`
14:35<poptix>there's a symlink in ~/mail that points to the current month
14:35<mdz>procmail doesn't move things between folders, unless you postprocess them with formail
14:35<Chutt>i don't want a folder per month
14:35<mdz>that rule does not do the same thing
14:36<Chutt>i want an -old and the current month
14:36<poptix>mdz: it's depositing them in seperate folders, not moving
14:36<mdz>poptix: yes, that's something different
14:36<mdz>I use procmail to filter things initially
14:36<mdz>but mutt moves things away after I've read them also
14:36<poptix>you could always push it through formail nightly and weed out read posts
14:37<poptix>i don't know, haven't ever used kmail
14:37<poptix>mutt runs for months, sometimes a year at a time =p
14:37<Chutt>i like kmail
14:38<mdz>I couldn't deal with an MUA which made me use the mouse
14:38<poptix>mdz: ditto
14:38<poptix>i can't stand anything that makes me use a mouse really, including web browsers
14:39<Chutt>i can't stand mua's that aren't gui =)
14:39<poptix>i'll hit tab 30-40 times to get to a link before picking up the mouse to click on it =/
14:39<mdz>use mozilla or galeon
14:39<mdz>where you can jump to a hyperlink by typing in a few characters
14:39<mdz>(of the text of the link)
14:39<poptix>thanks, i never noticed that before
14:39<poptix>reminds me
14:39<poptix>"Sony says the hard drives used in the device are regular PC models and not the audio-visual hard drives that are being touted as better suited to video recording."
14:40<poptix>audio-visual hard drives?
14:40<poptix>is that like, special music CD-R's?
14:40<poptix>ie, complete marketing bullshit
14:40<poptix>what's the point?
14:40<mdz>or anything else you get when searching google for that term
14:41<Chutt>i forgot to load the ivtv driver without debug mode _again_
14:41<poptix>mdz: sounds like something that could be set via hdparm with the right firmware
14:41<Chutt>i should just automate that
14:42<poptix>nothing worth spending money on.
14:42<poptix>woo, the sony pvr has an 'innovative user interface'
14:43<poptix>it runs montevista linux
14:44<Chutt>notice the date on that story, too
14:44<poptix>Minnesota recently changed the company that supplies all their lottery machines, and the new company runs montevista linux on x86 hardware
14:44<poptix>for all the lotto machines in gas stations and whatnot throughout the state
14:44<poptix>Chutt: heh =)
14:45<poptix>it's all marketing fluff anyway
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14:57<poptix>mythtv isn't changing channels
15:00<mdz>Chutt: echo "options ivtv debug=0" >> /etc/modutils/local && update-modules
15:00<Chutt>yeah, yeah
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15:01<poptix>echo "options ivtv debug=0" > /etc/modules.conf
15:02<poptix>er, >>
15:02* poptixsmacks mythtv
15:03<poptix>it seems to be confused about what channel it's trying to go to
15:04<poptix>QTime::fromString: Parameter out of range.
15:04<poptix>QTime::fromString: Parameter out of range.
15:04<poptix>Channel: '' was not found in the database.
15:04<poptix>Most likely, the default channel set for this input
15:04<poptix>(/dev/video0 QTime::fromString: Parameter out of range.
15:04<poptix>QTime::fromString: Parameter out of range.
15:05<poptix>tunechan and startchan are both '66' in the database
15:06<Chutt>tunechan should be empty, i think
15:06<Chutt>i dunno, otherwise
15:06<poptix>defaultinput is wrong
15:06<poptix>it set it to 'Television' for the pvr250
15:06<mdz>poptix: /etc/modules.conf is automatically generated in Debian
15:06<Chutt>it shouldn't be able to
15:06<mdz>and elsewhere
15:07<poptix>that didn't fix it
15:07<poptix>mdz: and that breaks things
15:07<Chutt>it autodetects the inputs now
15:07<mdz>works fine for me
15:07<poptix>Chutt: is channel 3 or 4 hard coded somewhere?
15:07<poptix>i've taken both of them out of my xmltv config
15:08<poptix>3 is some spanish channel, 4 is TV Guide
15:09<poptix>Chutt: what is it trying to read?
15:09<poptix>this is a clean setup
15:09<Chutt>i dunno
15:09<poptix>it spits out two 'QTime::fromString: Parameter out of range.
15:10<poptix>every time i press up or down
15:10<poptix>the EPG comes up with all the right data
15:12<Chutt>the qte3 debs are broken
15:12<Chutt>the qmake stuff is set to link against qt3, not qte3
15:14<mdz>poptix: that is just from NULLs in the database
15:14<poptix>well, i fixed it
15:14<poptix>dropped the database again
15:14<poptix>reconfigured, again
15:14<poptix>this time i didn't fill in a preset channel
15:14<poptix>works now.
15:15<Chutt>poptix, you may have missed a database update
15:16<poptix>i didn't
15:16<poptix>dropped the database completely before cvs update
15:16<poptix>make; make install
15:16<poptix>mysql < mc.sql
15:16<poptix>setup, mythbackend, mythfrontend
15:20<poptix>where are the EPG font size settings
15:21<mdz>poptix: at any rate, the message should be harmless
15:21<Chutt>why isn't this linking...
15:32<inman>i use/love mutt, too. it can move old files into an -old folder if you configure it to do so.
15:32<inman>using maildir for storage, you can just move files that are old.
15:32<inman>then you don't need to parse the messages...
15:33<inman>pretty efficient, that. i use it for catchall mailboxen that i don't want to have to look at or weed manually.
15:34* inmangoes back to his diff swap.
15:34<Chutt>diff swap?
15:35<inman>swapping the limited-slip differential off an automatic supra-tt into my manual supra-tt for a taller final drive gear.
15:37<Chutt>mdz, have you used the qte3 debs at all?
15:40<Chutt>i can't even get the examples to compile
15:41<mdz>I didn't even know there was a qte3
15:41<mdz>I thought embedded was still at v2
15:41<Chutt>mythtv's compiling fine with it
15:41<Chutt>it's just not linking
15:41<Chutt>at all =)
15:41<mdz>wow, the db plugins and everything
15:41<mdz>that must not be very small
15:42<mdz>Installed-Size: 6828
15:42<mdz>vs Installed-Size: 3408 for qte2
15:42<mdz>just about 2x
15:43<mdz>are you doing this for framebuffer support, or to run on the Zaurus?
15:43<Chutt>kinda bored, wondering if it'd run on a framebuffer
15:43<mdz>s/run/try to run/ :-)
15:43<mdz>I don't think it has enough memory
15:43<Chutt>like, on a computer, not a palmtop
15:44<mdz>I was correcting myself, not you
15:45<mdz>what is the linker complaining about?
15:46<Chutt>'undefined reference to `typeinfo for QPushButton'
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15:54<Chutt>maybe if i set qmakespec to something else..
15:55<mdz>do the examples build?
15:56<Chutt>now they do
15:57<mdz>isn't it fixed now so that you don't need to set qmakespec?
15:57<mdz>regular qt3 was anyway
15:57<mdz>yeah, they both have default symlinks now
15:57<Chutt>needed to set it to qws/linux-x86-g++
15:59<Chutt>but kde apparently sets qmakespec
15:59<Chutt>or i am somewhere
16:01<Chutt>_now_ it's compiling properly
16:01<Chutt>giving me errors about the qt-x11 stuff it uses for the xinerama junk
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16:10<poptix> chutt
16:10<poptix>i guess i do need to remove the msp3400 module stuff in my patch
16:10<poptix>otherwise you can't use multiple tuners
16:10<poptix>well, you can't use any bt8x8 cards at least.
16:10<poptix>due to bttv using the msp3400 driver, and then the ivtv driver talks to that and just screws it all to hell
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16:23<moegreen>Chutt: what does that do for us?
16:23<Chutt>i dunno
16:23<Chutt>no X, i suppose
16:23<Chutt>if someone were to write a SDL output method
16:26<poptix>Chutt: nifty.
16:26<poptix>how much work, beyond the hassle of getting qt/e to compile, was it?
16:27<Chutt>couple changes
16:27<Chutt>nothing major
16:28<Chutt>and i'm using the qte debs
16:29<Chutt>the menu doesn't quite work =)
16:29<Chutt>believe it's the drop shadow in there
16:31<Chutt>preview window, transparency, everything =)
16:36<Chutt>yeah, if i turn off the drop shadow, things work there, too
16:36<Chutt>great =)
16:39<poptix>ah, cool.
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16:43<Chutt>i should just do plain color drop shadows
16:44<Chutt>not the blended stuff the menus have now
16:44<Chutt>would be faster, anyway
16:44<TheAsp> New option in make menuconfig. (Score:5, Funny)
16:44<TheAsp>by Anonymous Coward on 05:02 PM May 2nd, 2003 (#5864525)
16:44<TheAsp>[*] SCO lawsuit support (EXPERIMENTAL) (NEW)
16:48<Ripp>where's the setting for the font size in the main menus? I can't seem to find it.
16:49<Ripp>if it exists
16:50<Ripp>aha! thanks! been squinting at the defaults for a while now :)
16:54<TheAsp>the fonts are all weird if you
16:54<TheAsp>'ve never ran qtconfig
16:54<TheAsp>What moron decided ' should be next to enter?
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17:06<moegreen>damn...I must be the last to get the list emails as Chutt has always replied by the time I get my email out the door...oh well :)
17:07<Chutt>i just type fast
17:09<Chutt>think it might be worthwhile to limit the # of channels displayed in the code?
17:13<moegreen>Chutt: it is limited by 8 right now
17:13<Chutt>right, but 8's too many isn't it?
17:13<moegreen>though I could add an if statement in the event that the live video is showing
17:13<moegreen>8 works without video I think
17:14<Chutt>maybe make the theme define the max values?
17:14<moegreen>that could work
17:14<TheAsp>you mean in the epg? at 1024x768 i had to lower mine
17:14<TheAsp>with blue
17:15<Chutt>same here
17:15<Chutt>8's too many =)
17:15<moegreen>it's too many for blue, but not necessarily for others - if the theme designer utiltized some of the space I set aside for the edges of the screen
17:17<TheAsp>there a new version of sasquatch?
17:17<Chutt>make distclean instead of a make install
17:17<Chutt>not smart =)
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17:19<TheAsp>freaking logrotate.
17:26<poptix>why would you limit the channels to 8?
17:26<Chutt>displayed at one time
17:26<poptix>the 5 in the alt epg aren't nearly enough
17:27<poptix>8 in regular epg wouldn't be enough for me
17:27<poptix><- big TV
17:27<poptix>also, Chutt, what's the status of ff/rw/etc with mpeg2 recordings?
17:28<Chutt>been done for awhile
17:28<poptix>it scrolls 'rebuffering (x x)' for a while, then gets to some point in the future
17:28<poptix>is that expected behavior?
17:28<Chutt>new recordings will be quick
17:28<Chutt>that's what it does for recordings from before some of the record-side seek support went in
17:28<poptix>this is freshly recorded 30 minutes ago
17:29<poptix>channel skipping worked okay
17:29<moegreen>poptix: if you hit 8 in the live tv EPG, there isn't enough screenspace to show the titles
17:29<moegreen>actually it's 7 I think
17:29<poptix>moegreen: not enough if the font is huge
17:29<TheAsp>7 works for me
17:29<poptix>i decreased all the font sizes by at least half
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17:32<aciel>hey all
17:34<aciel>i'm running mythtv through artsdsp, and it's going extraordinarily slow. when i run it without artsdsp it goes slightly faster, but only slightly, and there's a horrible echo
17:34<aciel>why might it be doing this?
17:34<Chutt>well, first, don't run it through artsdsp
17:34<Chutt>second, read the faq, it addresses the echo
17:34<Chutt>third, make sure your computer's up to the task -- how much cpu is free, etc
17:34<aciel>thank you, i shall check it out.
17:35<aciel>should be up to it, it's a thunderbird 1333
17:35<Chutt>you have dma turned on on your harddrive, etc
17:35<aciel>do i need to have the ide bus speed set?
17:36<TheAsp>Chutt: what bitrate you using with your winpvr?
17:36<Chutt>theasp, 8k, i don't feel like messing with the driver
17:36<aciel>i'm looking at the FAQ and not seeing anything about the echo
17:37<Chutt>it's the 4th question
17:38<aciel>is there a fast way to turn arts on and off? maybe a plugin?
17:38<Chutt>killall -9 artsd
17:38<aciel>thanks :-P
17:38<Chutt>artsd is really quite broken, anyway
17:39<aciel>but it's the only way for me to get all of my programs working in KDE
17:39<Chutt>i had it spawn a couple hundred copies of itself once
17:39<aciel>i had kdeinit do that
17:42<aciel>i still have a very faint echo
17:43<inman>Chutt: my ff bug doesn't seem to be fixed in cvs...
17:44<Chutt>i committed what you said worked
17:44<TheAsp>Do you need a backtrace for the frontend crash when recording starts?
17:44<inman>oh, maybe that's why it's not showing up in my diff. maybe i didn't remove it from my code.
17:46<inman>Chutt: you're right, of course, thanks.
17:48<Chutt>theasp, yes
17:49<TheAsp>ok, building now
17:49* inmanwatches.
17:50<TheAsp>inman: it's not terribly exciting :P
17:50<moegreen>heh, mythtv-users] problem re-using PVR-250 <- clearly a question for the ivtv list
17:50<inman>sure it is, you're too modest.
17:52<inman>moegreen: if I were Chutt, I would not respond to those posts so generously.
17:52<aciel>dammit, now my audio's gone completely
17:53<inman>surely someone else can answer those questions and save developer time.
17:53<TheAsp>inman: i could get a webcam so you can watch my grass grow :)
17:54<inman>TheAsp: mythtv is da bomb.
17:56<aciel>i don't understand why it's doing this. argh.
17:56<aciel>why can't the linux community just adopt one GD audio standard?
17:58<aciel>my line in is muted and i can still hear the bloody thing
17:59<poptix>aciel: OSS was standard, then these alsa freaks came along =P
17:59<Chutt>inman, heh, you haven't read my response to that last one
17:59<aciel>ooh, this is funny
18:00<poptix>Chutt: i'd be happy to help moderate the -dev list =)
18:00<Chutt>naw, you don't want to
18:00<aciel>i have every audio source on my sound card muted, except for the main volume...and somehow, i'm still getting tv card sound!
18:00<aciel>piece of shit
18:00<aciel>it's not even synced with the video
18:01<TheAsp>aciel: what card do you have?
18:01<poptix>god damnit
18:02<inman>Chutt: what can you say about future support for qt/e under myth?
18:03<Chutt>nothing, really
18:03<Chutt>i was just curious to see if it compiled
18:03* inmannods.
18:07<poptix>i think mythtranscode is running on something i already deleted
18:08<Chutt>i'm going to disable that for the 0.9 release
18:08<poptix>mythtrans 5648 root 17r REG 34,1 3886700480 12 /media/myth/1043_20030502150000_20030502160000.nuv (deleted)
18:08<Chutt>as it doesn't seem to be ready for use, yet
18:08<TheAsp>What does that do anyway?
18:08<Chutt>this is why i hate big patches
18:08<Chutt>people submit stuff, then walk away
18:08<Chutt>and it never works
18:09<Chutt>and i have to fix it
18:09<TheAsp>Just reprocess the stream when idle?
18:09<Chutt>theasp, yeah
18:10* TheAsptakes a screenshot of this compile for inman
18:11<TheAsp>almost done
18:11<inman>man, i can't wait.
18:13<TheAsp>oh, weird, backend crashed
18:15<aciel>for an ATI TV Wonder PCI, what V4L drivers do I need compiled?
18:17<poptix>aciel: you need the 'i don't know how to read' driver
18:17<poptix>you see, it teaches you how to read, then you're able to read things like the FAQ, and use search engines like Google
18:18<aciel>Gosh, how mature. I was just wondering if anyone happened to know it off the top of the head, so I didn't have to fuck around with mozilla.
18:18<aciel>Excuse me for living.
18:18<poptix>you're excused.
18:18<aciel>Thanks :)
18:18<poptix>a lot of people come asking questions that people might know off the top of their head
18:18<poptix>and they're all documented
18:18<poptix>google knows off the top of its head
18:18<poptix>so go ask google.
18:19<inman>google has a really BIG head.
18:19<TheAsp>grr, cant schedule a recording with manual recording? :P
18:19<aciel>yeah, I like google
18:19<poptix>i typed in your exact question from here
18:20<poptix>and whaddya know, the answer is in the first link
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18:21<TheAsp>This bug DOES exist, right? (crash on record)
18:21<aciel>whaddya know, that's the VE. that brings up another question. Is the VE similar enough to my non-VE card that it uses the exact same drivers?
18:21<Morph>poptix: thats amazing, simply amazing. How can I share in this wealth of knowledge?
18:23<poptix>Morph: the first step is opening a web browser.
18:23<Morph>Hmm that sounds tough..
18:23<Morph>..I dont think I can handle that.
18:23<aciel>don't you guys have something better to be doing?
18:24<Morph>at the moment..nope.
18:24<aciel>if you don't want to be of assistance, i'd prefer that you not say anything to me.
18:24<aciel>no offense, or anything.
18:24<TheAsp>to be fair, i think they were talking to eachother :P
18:24<PeteCool>Chutt, what email address do you want me to send the bt for the crash as recordings start?
18:24<aciel>*grin* true
18:25<TheAsp>PeteCool: hey!
18:25<TheAsp>im trying to bt that right now
18:25<PeteCool>took over 8 records for it to happen, usually it's three at most
18:25<TheAsp>can you paste a few lines to me?
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18:34<Chutt>bt full, just send to me
18:34<Chutt>and there's nothing in that backtrace you sent, sorry
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18:48<TheAsp>maybe if i add a bunch of scheduled recordings 1 minute long
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18:51<rkulagow>huh, zap2it may be getting into the busineess.
18:53<moegreen>rkulagow: where do you see that?
18:56<rkulagow>over on the XMLTV list.
18:56<rkulagow>"Perhaps you'd like to try this - request a beta account from
18:56<rkulagow>, try the example clients they provide and see if
18:56<rkulagow>some XSLT can convert their data to XMLTV.
18:57<TheAsp>hmm, that didnt work
18:57<TheAsp>well, i give up, cant trigger it.
19:07<Ripp>hey does cvs still require a v4l2 kernel?
19:08<TheAsp>did it ever?
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19:08<Ripp>the last few times I tried compiling it it would just barf looking for some v4l2 stuff... which I don't have
19:08<Ripp>figured it was related to the new ivtv stuff
19:11<Ripp>I'll try dl'ing it again see if I can get the same errors
19:13<moegreen>Ripp: you only need a v4l2 patched kernel if you're using the winPVR-XXX may give you a warning saying that it couldn't find the support for it - but it shouldn't stop the compile
19:14<inman>actually, chutt put in the headers, so you don't need anything special anymore.
19:14<Ripp>inman: OK then it's probably fixed. I think that was the problem, couldn't find the v4l2 headers...
19:15<moegreen>inman: i think you'd still need the v4l2 support if you want to use the WIN-PVR cards though, right?
19:15<inman>moegreen: yep.
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19:16<moegreen>inman: I didn't respond to you the other day (about the red line around the recordings), it does highlight the entire box, does it need to do more than that? The 'buttons' for recording seem pretty clear. I was thinking of adding some code to make sure they don't overlap the arrows, but I'm not sure if it's totally necessary
19:16<Ripp>cvs co over dialup s*cks
19:16* Ripptwiddles his thumbs
19:16<inman>moegreen: i will take another look.
19:16* TheAsphands Ripp some -z3 magic
19:17<inman>iirc, the box goes red when you hit 'r' but if you navigate elsewhere, it just has an R and isn't red.
19:17<moegreen>inman: the box highlight isn't as profound when using the alpha blending
19:17<Ripp>-z3 is on and it still sucks :p
19:17<inman>moegreen: looks good now. :-)
19:18<moegreen>hmm...the recording buttons should show over the arrows though - i can fix that easily though
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19:22<PeteCool>Chutt: nothing? hmm...
19:23<TheAsp>well there was nothing specific to myth in what you showed me
19:24<TheAsp>i should get off my ass and throw this code in a thread
19:24<PeteCool>#9 0x0806bbd6 in RunMenu(QString) (themedir=
19:24<PeteCool> {static null = {static null = <same as static member of an already seen type>, d = 0x8394b60, static shared_null = 0x8394b60}, d = 0x840d9a0, static shared_null = 0x8394b60}) at main.cpp:227
19:25<PeteCool>oh wait... wrong thing
19:26<TheAsp>19:27:36 <PeteCool> [Switching to Thread 16384 (LWP 17281)]
19:26<TheAsp>19:27:36 <PeteCool> 0x4049f3b0 in QTipManager::eventFilter(QObject*, QEvent*) () from /usr/qt/3/lib/
19:27<inman>QTipManager. great.
19:27<inman>i need one of those...
19:27* TheAspgives inman a tip
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19:27<inman>is it "don't use acid degreaser without gloves?"
19:27<TheAsp>that'll do
19:27* inmanhas partially dissolved hands right now.
19:28<PeteCool>does the backend send a signal to the frontend when a recording starts?
19:29<inman>PeteCool: only if the frontend is watching tv, i believe.
19:29<inman>actually, maybe never.
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19:29<inman>why do you ask?
19:30<inman>PeteCool: it will send a signal to the frontend in any case.
19:30<PeteCool>inman: it *could* be that the backend sometimes sends a wrongful signal to the frontend when the recordings start, crashing it... I don't think that Chutt would forget though
19:31<inman>PeteCool: er, if you're watching tv i mean. any case being "need to change channels" or "on the right channel at the moment".
19:31<inman>PeteCool: that only seems likely if the frontend is watching tv, otherwise, it should not get a signal.
19:34<TheAsp>isnt there some sort of recording list changed message?
19:34<PeteCool>yeah that's what I thought too
19:35<moegreen>the changed to RecordingOnly message is on the backend
19:35<TheAsp>when it starts any recording
19:35<PeteCool>TheAsp: what theme are you using? there's some theme stuff in that bt
19:35<TheAsp>and we are talking about messages between backend and frontend
19:36<PeteCool>TheAsp: did you get a bt yet?
19:37<TheAsp>playbackbox.cpp:1683: if (message == "RECORDING_LIST_CHANGE")
19:37<TheAsp>PeteCool: gave up, rebuilt a release build
19:38<PeteCool>TheAsp: my recordings for today don't seem to be much affected by the debugging slowdown
19:38<TheAsp>i use my box as a desktop too
19:41* poptixponders borrowing the 2 P4 2.4ghz systems from downstairs for the weekend
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19:54<Chutt>rkulagow, that's supposed to be hush-hush :p
19:55<Cloak>yeah, shhh!
19:57<TheAsp>XSL rocks :P
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20:09<poptix>well holy
20:09<poptix>18.4% cpu use
20:09<poptix>recording with both cards simutaneously
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20:09<Universe>hmm... wow..
20:09<TheAsp>bastard :P
20:10<Universe>what are your specs?
20:10<poptix>Athlon 2000 XP, PVR250+WinTV
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20:10<poptix>although it looks like it's recording at 480x480 on the WinTV bt8x8 card
20:11<Universe>back/frontend on same system?
20:11<poptix>720x480 on the pvr
20:11<Universe>very nice
20:11<Chutt>i doubt it's recording at different resolutions
20:11<poptix>frontend isn't playing video though
20:11<Chutt>there's nothing in the code that'll allow it to do that =)
20:11<poptix>Chutt: perhaps it's squashing it
20:12<poptix>when i pull out of full screen mode it looks like 480x480
20:12<Chutt>both should be 480x480
20:12<Universe>480x480 isn't bad
20:13<TheAsp>better then i record at
20:13<poptix>Input #0, mpeg, from '/media/myth/1043_20030502190000_20030502200000.nuv':
20:13<poptix> Stream #0.0: Video: mpegvideo, 720x480, 29.97 fps, 16000 kb/s
20:13<poptix> Stream #0.1: Audio: mp2, 48000 Hz, stereo, 384 kb/s
20:13<Chutt>then it's squishing the other recording, then
20:13<poptix>either way, it's doing a good job =)
20:17<poptix>i've confiscated my roommates compaq for another myth frontend
20:17<poptix>installed redhat on it
20:17<poptix>heh heh
20:18<TheAsp>tsk tsk :P
20:18<TheAsp>so, when all my reiser partitions freaked out the other day... i ran reiserfsck --rebuild-sb on an ext2 partiton (/boot)
20:19<TheAsp>thats why it was messed up :P
20:20<TheAsp>so i would have been safe running it on the rest of them :P~
20:20<poptix>i've got one more bt8x8 based card here
20:20<poptix>and my girlfriend has one
20:20<poptix>she's going to london for 2 months, so i can hijack that too
20:21<TheAsp>how many tuners can you stuff in 1 box? :)
20:21<poptix>that's what i'm going to find out =)
20:21<Chutt>yay, fan shipped
20:29<poptix>Chutt: you're going to get that system perfected, then someone will send you the next nifty thing for free
20:30<poptix>just have to build one for another TV then
20:30<poptix>i wonder how many DVB tuners it would take to recieve all channels simutaneously
20:40<poptix>it would be interesting to simutaneously record every channel
20:40<poptix>you'd need a lot of disk space though
20:42<TheAsp>a nice big san would do
20:49<Chutt>i think i may have just lost the drive on the cvs server
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20:50<TheAsp>luckily you have the automatic internet backup system :P~
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20:50<TheAsp>though losing the revisions always sucks
20:50<Chutt>well, i'll have the code
20:51<poptix>good thing i just finished a CVS checkout
20:51<Chutt>and i've got a complete backup of from a couple weeks ago
20:51<Chutt>it just started making really loud clicking noises, heard it from another room
20:51* poptixhides
20:51<TheAsp>did it come back after powering it down?
20:52<TheAsp>heh, i hate that sound.
20:52<Chutt>i'm going to hang it off of another machine
20:52<Chutt>see what i can retrieve
20:52<TheAsp>if its clicking, probably nothing
20:52<Chutt>never know
20:52<TheAsp>if worse comes to worse, a good hard wack sometimes helps :P
20:54<poptix>tossing it in the freezer for half an hour might help
20:54<inman>yeah i'm a fan of the freezer/hammer trick.
20:55<Chutt>never heard of that
20:55<inman>freeze it then give it a (light) tap with a hammer.
20:55<poptix>it's basicly the whole thermal expansion thing
20:56<TheAsp>yeah, ive never heard of that either
20:56* TheAspadds it to the list
20:56<inman>often the disc has crude that the heads get caught on when it powers down after awhile.
20:56<inman>it's usually experienced during a power failure when the servers don't all come back. ;-)
20:57<Chutt>this is a 6.5GB quantum fireball
20:57<poptix>oh my
20:57<TheAsp>I always thought fireball was a bad name for a hd
20:58<poptix>it was appropriate for that particular line of drives =)
20:58<TheAsp>true :)~
20:58<Chutt>this is the box that QNX sent me when i ported freeamp to qnx rtp
20:58<poptix>email maxtor and tell them you need a 250GB drive for mythtv development
20:59<TheAsp>I spose all your hard work was undone when they switched to gstreamer
21:00<Chutt>took a half hour
21:00<TheAsp>or was that someone else?
21:00<TheAsp>oh, hah
21:01<Universe>man... I need to get my name on a project..
21:01<Universe>I want some free stuff too
21:01<Ripp>Chutt: that would explain why I can't seem to login to cvs ! =:O
21:01<TheAsp>hmm, must have been someone else that switched
21:01<Chutt>well, it was helped along by the fact that the guy that did the graphics for freeamp worked at qnx
21:01<Chutt>going in the freezer
21:01<TheAsp>inman: we were talking about that the other day in another channel
21:01<Chutt>if you guys are sure about that :p
21:02* inmannods to Chutt.
21:02<poptix>it's definitely recording from the bt8x8 at 480x480
21:02<poptix>and the pvr-250 at 720x480
21:02<TheAsp>p2p wouldnt work as well as client/server though
21:02<poptix>could be my fault
21:02* poptixgoes to break more stuff
21:04<Chutt>my wife's pissed
21:04<Chutt>all our pictures and stuff were on there
21:04<inman>no backups?
21:05<Chutt>backup from like 3 months ago
21:06<inman>i don't backup my machines, but i mirror stuff i care about on many machines/sites.
21:07<TheAsp>in raid i trust
21:07<inman>in fire i trust raid's demise.
21:07<inman><Chutt> inman, heh, you haven't read my response to that last one
21:07<inman>no, i never did see it. :-/
21:08<Chutt>i just said 'ask on the ivtv list'
21:08<inman>Chutt: btw, be careful of condensation if you put a frozen disk back in your machine.
21:08<Chutt>it's not going back in the machine
21:09<Chutt>it'll hang outside of it
21:09<inman>i usually leave 'em on the outside of the case.
21:09<Chutt>until i scrounge up a replacement
21:10<inman>i did see that message. thing is, perhaps 75% of the support requests are for non-myth (hard|soft)ware.
21:12<inman>maybe there should be another list for support.
21:12<poptix>like, -users?
21:13<inman>sure, it's a psychological thing.
21:13<Chutt>it's quiet in here now
21:13<Chutt>only have the laptop on
21:30<Chutt>got the MC/ dir =)
21:37<Chutt>well, most of it
21:38<Ripp>upgrade from 0.8 to cvs just use the 0-8-to-0-9.sql file or do I need to do any other db work? (the docs don't say that I can see)
21:39<Chutt>use cvs.sql
21:39<Ripp>not the 8->9 file?
21:39<Chutt>are you using 0.9?
21:40<Ripp>not yet obviously, going from .8 to cvs
21:40<Ripp>ok ok :) thought maybe the 8->9 file was in there for a reason
21:41<Chutt>it's there for when 0.9 is released, eventually
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22:01<inman>Chutt: which technique did you use to get the drive spinning again?
22:02<Chutt>i was only able to get most of the MC dir
22:02<Chutt>then linux gave up on the drive
22:02<inman>that sucks.
22:02<Chutt>and now the bios won't even see it
22:02<inman>might wanna freeze it again overnight.
22:02<Chutt>but, that's the major bit off of it
22:02<inman>there can be quite a bit of latent heat in the disk since there's air inside...
22:02<inman>what about the images?
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22:03<Chutt>most of those are elsewhere
22:03<Chutt>well, the raw images are
22:04<Chutt>all the categorization/descriptions aren't, but that's not _that_ big of a deal
22:06<inman>6gig ain't much. disk2disk backup is cheap.
22:06<Chutt>ya ya ya
22:07<TheAsp>a real man would pull out an electron microscope...
22:08<Chutt>my book db was on there, but that's also on the zaurus
22:09<inman>a lost a scsi disk once when someone bumped a machine off a desk.
22:09<inman>i found that freezing is no help against giant gouges in the platter surfaces.
22:10<inman>Chutt: e-books or bibliography or...?
22:11<Chutt>set of webpages with covers/titles/other info of all the books i own
22:11<inman>are you a bibliophile?
22:16<Chutt>ah well
22:16<inman>there is no shame.
22:16<Chutt>back tomorrow
22:16<Chutt>wonder when the first 'what's up with CVS' email to the list will be =)
22:17<inman>about now, i'd guess.
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23:22<poptix>you need to contact various companies
23:23<Chutt>'bout what?
23:23<poptix>then set up a 'recommended hardware' page
23:23<poptix>since everyone and their dog is just too damned stupid to read
23:23<poptix>a big bright 'BUY THIS HARDWARE' page might help
23:23<poptix>then you can get the various hardware companies to bribe you to put their product name up there =)
23:23<Chutt>i actually do plan on posting details of the mini-itx box once i get that working satisfactorily
23:24<Chutt>but not as suggested hardware
23:24<poptix> 110 May 02 Chris Petersen ( ) [mythtv-users] suggested hardware?
23:25<Chutt>i wonder what bestbuy's cheapest harddrive is
23:26<poptix>i wouldn't buy a hard drive at best buy
23:26<poptix>they're all way too expensive
23:26<poptix>unless it's a special, then it might be a decent price =/
23:27<Ripp>how much of it did you get back? I co'd cvs (MC only) not too long before it went down.
23:27<Chutt>i've got local checkouts of everything
23:27<Chutt>i might not have the most recent mythweather, but moegreen's got that
23:28<Chutt>i've got 3/4 of the cvsroot for MC
23:28<Chutt>so all that's really lost is change history
23:28<Chutt>and people's user accounts
23:31<Chutt>just wish i had a spare drive
23:34<Chutt>actually, i have all the old release versions of the other modules, too
23:34<Chutt>so i can check those in as tagged versions and have _some_ change history
23:34<Chutt>ah well
23:37<bline>playing with lirccd tonight, pretty neat
23:39<Chutt>what all does it do?
23:40<bline>He's made his own little programming language and made that the config for the daemon
23:41<bline>mainly this allows you finer control and the ability to maintain state
23:42<Chutt>i'd really like someone to take over that keybindings patch that was abandoned and fix it up
23:42<Chutt>then the lirc stuff could get integrated better into mythtv
23:42<bline>though I don't know why he didn't use something that already exists like lua
23:43<bline>I guess that would be the better way to go, but I surly don't mind writting the config in a mini-language
23:43<bline>but I would guess most people would
23:45<bline>btw, I left mythtv running all day, and those "Audio buffer overflow" happened again, I have no timestamp so I'm not sure how long they took to show up
23:46<bline>But I think it had something to do with me sshing in and compiling things
23:46<Chutt>that could do it
23:46<Chutt>it's generally indicating that you've dropped a couple frames
23:46<bline>ahh, that's nice to know
23:47<Chutt>unless it's happening _constantly_
23:47<bline>I added line numbers to the output so I could see where in NuppelVideoPlayer.cpp it was happening
23:47<Chutt>then it means something else is wrong, but just occasional ones aren't all that bad
23:47<bline>I only drop frams _a lot_ when I run with the commercial flagging on
23:48<bline>seems I'm the only one with this problem though heh
23:48<Chutt>it shouldn't be any more cpu using than without it on
23:48<bline>maybe I'll overclock my cpu a bit, see if it helps
23:49<bline>well, I know the frames dropping usually happens when it starts switching to or from a commercial
23:49<Chutt>i wonder if i should just give in and use sf for cvs
23:49<bline>it's what made me think to turn the flagging off
23:50<bline>I imagine alex would let you use his server for cvs if you needed it
23:50<Chutt>i like to have control over the box
23:50<bline>we keep backups nightly, and I'm about to start on software for incrmental backups
23:50<Chutt>especially since i need to give out accounts for people to have write access
23:51<bline>sf gives you this level of control?
23:51<Chutt>well, they've got that
23:51<Chutt>but, you don't get direct access to the cvsroot
23:51<Chutt>so if something messes up and leaves a stale lock, you're screwed until one of their admins feels like fixing it
23:51<bline>which can be a pain if you need to move directories around
23:52<Chutt>and that too =)
23:52<bline>god I can't wait till they finish subversion
23:52<poptix>i wouldn't rely on sourceforge's CVS servers right now
23:52<poptix>it's been shit lately
23:52<Chutt>and there's that as well
23:52<Chutt>it's been hard for anon users to access sf cvs stuff recently
23:53<poptix>while [ 1 ]; do cvs -z3 update -dP; done
23:53<Chutt>so i guess i should just keep running it myself
23:53<poptix>it eventually works
23:55<Chutt>i should just run cvs on this laptop =)
23:55<Chutt>all i use it for is IRC and random web browsing
23:55<bline>you are on a static ip?
23:55<poptix>now we can kill your more expensive laptop hard drive
23:56<Chutt>poptix, it's still under warranty
23:56<Chutt>another year, yet
23:57<poptix>so it'll die in 1 year+1 day
23:57<poptix>they have expiration chips
23:57<poptix>like the newer print cartridges in printers
23:57<Chutt>actually, this laptop drive makes funky noises occasionally
23:58<poptix>it's all a government conspiracy to prop up the economy
23:58<Chutt>ibm already refused to replace it until it died completely
23:58<Chutt>which is why i just use it for irc, really
23:58<poptix>Chutt: you should back it up, then run bonnie 24/7 until it dies
23:58<bline>find someone at ibm that uses mythtv ;)
23:58<poptix>IBM has replaced 3 deskstars for me so far
23:59<poptix>i went from a 40G to a 60G, then to an 80G drive
23:59<poptix>still have ~6 months left on the warranty
23:59<Chutt>poptix, i ran their stresstester for 3 days straight
23:59<Chutt>didn't do anything, other than make random noises occasionally