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| 00:18 | <Morph> | hrm. clean tree and it died at the same point. |
| 00:19 | <Chutt> | odd |
| 00:20 | <Chutt> | add an #include <iostream> |
| 00:20 | <Chutt> | and a using namespace std; |
| 00:20 | <Chutt> | to mythcontext.h |
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| 00:22 | <Morph> | `using namespace std;` is already there. |
| 00:23 | <Chutt> | just the iostream include, then |
| 00:23 | <Morph> | yeah. |
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| 00:28 | * poptix | returns with X2 tickets |
| 00:29 | <poptix> | Debit Card Purchase To Kerasotes Theatres In Springfield IL -15.00 May 1, 2003 Pending |
| 00:29 | <poptix> | interesting |
| 00:29 | <poptix> | apparently I live in springfield |
| 00:33 | <wigginjs> | uh oh |
| 00:33 | <wigginjs> | nothing fun about credit card fraug |
| 00:33 | <wigginjs> | d |
| 00:34 | <poptix> | hmm? |
| 00:34 | <Morph> | hmm still failing. |
| 00:34 | <poptix> | no, i just went to the theatre like 5 minutes ago to buy tickets |
| 00:34 | <Chutt> | morph, which gcc version? |
| 00:34 | <poptix> | it just thinks that my theatre is in springfield. |
| 00:34 | <wigginjs> | hahaha |
| 00:34 | <wigginjs> | oh |
| 00:34 | <Morph> | Chutt: 3.2.3 |
| 00:34 | <Chutt> | odd |
| 00:34 | <Chutt> | same as here |
| 00:35 | <Chutt> | i just did a clean compile earlier today |
| 00:35 | <Morph> | hrm.. |
| 00:35 | * Morph | checks for updates |
| 00:53 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 00:53 | <Chutt> | the audio driver for the via82xx or whatever it is is kinda broken :/ |
| 00:53 | <Chutt> | get occasional repeats of audio sections, like after i unpause or whatnot |
| 01:04 | <Morph> | are you using alsa? |
| 01:06 | <Chutt> | nope |
| 01:07 | <Chutt> | alsa just made horrible crackling noises |
| 01:07 | <Chutt> | using the driver in 2.4.21-rc1-ac3 |
| 01:09 | <Morph> | ah.. |
| 01:09 | <Morph> | I found alsa worked pretty well. |
| 01:09 | <Chutt> | which version? |
| 01:09 | <Chutt> | i was just using the latest, and decided not to blow out my speakers =) |
| 01:10 | <Morph> | 0.9. something.. |
| 01:10 | * Morph | looks |
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| 01:12 | <Morph> | 0.9.2 |
| 01:12 | <Chutt> | that's what i tried |
| 01:12 | <Morph> | weird.. |
| 01:13 | <Morph> | well..maybe not, you have super hearing apparently :) |
| 01:13 | <Chutt> | no |
| 01:13 | <Chutt> | you'd definitely notice this |
| 01:13 | <Chutt> | tons and tons of cracks and garbage on the line out |
| 01:13 | <Morph> | Oh wow.. |
| 01:14 | <Morph> | NO, I didnt hear that. |
| 01:14 | <Chutt> | i was serious about the 'blow out my speakers' bit, if it was louder i could've damaged things |
| 01:14 | <Morph> | yikes. |
| 01:15 | <Chutt> | apparently 0.9.0rc6 works |
| 01:15 | <Chutt> | judging from forum postings i've seen |
| 01:15 | <Morph> | hmm |
| 01:15 | <Chutt> | from people with similar problems |
| 01:16 | <Morph> | hmm mythtv just finished building. no errors. |
| 01:19 | <Chutt> | odd |
| 01:19 | <Morph> | yeah. |
| 01:29 | <Morph> | and it works. |
| 01:30 | * Morph | watches insomniac via mythtv |
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| 02:02 | <Morph> | woah. |
| 02:02 | <Morph> | new EPG rocks. |
| 02:11 | <FryGuy> | does anyone know the cheapest tv-out card for linux that supports composite? or tv-out in svideo + the price of a svideo->composite converter |
| 02:13 | <moegreen> | I got my matrox G400 off of ebay for $35, plus 12 for the tv out cable |
| 02:26 | <FryGuy> | + shipping? |
| 02:30 | <FryGuy> | and do you have to get the dual-head, or does the adapter thingy work on the single one? |
| 02:40 | <Morph> | hmm lirc not working. |
| 02:41 | <Morph> | not working with myth that is. |
| 02:52 | <FryGuy> | I think my setup is kind of confusing |
| 02:53 | <FryGuy> | can mythtv know to tune to channel 4 and change channels on my receiver through lirc? |
| 02:53 | <FryGuy> | or can it know to switch to composite and read from line in instead of mic |
| 02:53 | <FryGuy> | or do I need to get another sound card :/ |
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| 03:35 | <bline> | mornin |
| 03:51 | <poptix> | X2 was good |
| 03:56 | <Gulliver> | morning all |
| 03:57 | <Gulliver> | I have a problem with fvwm. I'm trying to use it as wm for my mythtv box. so I copied the fvwmrc.example to ~/.fvwmrc, but it seems like fvwm ignores it. it still draws the win-deco, etc. |
| 03:59 | <bline> | how's it goin |
| 03:59 | <bline> | never used fvwm.. |
| 03:59 | <bline> | windowmaker works well for me with now modification to conf |
| 04:00 | <Gulliver> | the mythtv doci just says i should copy the example to ~/.fvwmrc . and i did that |
| 04:00 | <Gulliver> | bline: i'll give it a try! ... 'emerge windowmaker' (c; |
| 04:01 | <bline> | yeah, im on gentoo as well |
| 04:02 | <Gulliver> | hmmm... I should five mythtv cvs a try... looks pretty cool (c: |
| 04:03 | <Gulliver> | give - i meant |
| 04:03 | <bline> | yeah, i figured heh |
| 04:04 | <bline> | I just widh I could get this monitor working on my geforce along with the tv out |
| 04:04 | <Gulliver> | are you using the proprietary nvidia drivers? |
| 04:04 | <bline> | yeah |
| 04:04 | <Gulliver> | which card is it? |
| 04:05 | <bline> | geforce2 mx400 with svideo out |
| 04:05 | <Gulliver> | do you want to mirror the output from the monitor to the tv or dou you want to extend you screen? |
| 04:05 | <bline> | I get ld errors about some missing function is I try to start x with both the tv and monitor plugged in |
| 04:06 | <Gulliver> | could you send me your XF86Config? |
| 04:06 | <Gulliver> | and the xfree-error-log |
| 04:06 | <bline> | I just want a seperate display so I don't have to irc at 640x480 :) |
| 04:06 | <Gulliver> | ok, so you want to use the twinview option. |
| 04:07 | <bline> | I would have to reset it up for deul screens |
| 04:07 | <bline> | no, just a seperate display. All you have to do is add the x,y options to the Screen option in the Layout section |
| 04:07 | <Gulliver> | twinview-config with nvidia driver is really easy... |
| 04:07 | <bline> | and add Screen options to each video card |
| 04:08 | <bline> | yeah, I've done it before |
| 04:08 | <bline> | Im just thinking this card doesn't support both outs at the same time |
| 04:08 | <bline> | though that does seem strange |
| 04:08 | <Gulliver> | if you want to use both outputs of _one_ card you have to use the twinview-option offered by the driver. |
| 04:08 | <Gulliver> | i think gf2mx supports it... |
| 04:09 | <bline> | oh, I didn't know that. Where are the docs for that? |
| 04:11 | <Gulliver> | www.nvidia.com (c: |
| 04:11 | <Gulliver> | drivers -> linux -> x86 |
| 04:11 | <bline> | ok, i'll look. Thanks! |
| 04:11 | <Gulliver> | np |
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| 05:54 | <bline> | seems twinview is the only way to get this monitor and the tv going at the same time |
| 05:55 | <bline> | but the video in myth is fullscreen to the size of the monitor so I see 60% of the picture on the tv |
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| 09:43 | <bline> | mornin |
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| 11:20 | <justin_> | mdz: how exactly is someone supposed to install the mythtv debs? |
| 11:20 | <mdz> | justin_: by following the instructions on the web page |
| 11:20 | <justin_> | mdz: there are none |
| 11:20 | <mdz> | then you are looking at the wrong web page |
| 11:20 | <justin_> | mdz: they get errors in myth-database |
| 11:20 | <justin_> | Setting up mythtv-database (0.8-11) ... |
| 11:20 | <justin_> | Failed to connect to database: Access denied for user: 'root@localhost' (Using password: YES) at -e line 5, <> line 1. |
| 11:20 | <justin_> | they swear they never got asked for a username/password |
| 11:20 | <mdz> | they only get asked for a password if their priority is set low enough |
| 11:21 | <mdz> | otherwise it assumes they have never changed it |
| 11:21 | <justin_> | hmm |
| 11:21 | <mdz> | if they have changed it, they'll need to dpkg-reconfigure --force mythtv-database |
| 11:21 | <justin_> | ah |
| 11:21 | <mdz> | I'm probably going to change that in the next release |
| 11:21 | <justin_> | "dpkg-reconfigure says its not installed or partially installed" |
| 11:21 | <mdz> | that's what --force is for |
| 11:21 | <justin_> | righto:) |
| 11:22 | <mdz> | I don't understand why this is a problem though |
| 11:22 | <mdz> | mysql-server displays a message telling the user to change the mysql root password, but it does so at a low priority |
| 11:22 | <justin_> | i had two friends install the debs and both got the same thing |
| 11:22 | <mdz> | are they the sort of people who would change their mysql root password? |
| 11:23 | <justin_> | one no, the other yes |
| 11:23 | <justin_> | one of them didnt have mysql until mythtv depended on it |
| 11:23 | <mdz> | the one who set his password should be using a lower debconf priority :-) |
| 11:23 | <mdz> | hmm |
| 11:23 | <mdz> | that one definitely should have worked out of the obx |
| 11:23 | <justin_> | "it just asks the username now!" |
| 11:23 | <mdz> | there is one known problem with when it pulls in mysql-server for mythtv |
| 11:24 | <mdz> | and that is that mysql-server does not actually start up by default |
| 11:24 | <mdz> | which is stupid |
| 11:24 | <justin_> | what priority would it need to be? |
| 11:24 | <justin_> | hmm |
| 11:24 | <mdz> | it asks whether it shoudl start |
| 11:24 | <mdz> | but it asks at low priority and the default is "no" |
| 11:24 | <justin_> | dpkg-reconfigure has a --priority flag... |
| 11:24 | <mdz> | I don't think I can fix that in the mythtv packages |
| 11:24 | <mdz> | yeah, -plow |
| 11:25 | <mdz> | but I thought it would always ask all the questions from dpkg-reconfigure |
| 11:25 | <mdz> | (i.e., low is the default) |
| 11:25 | <justin_> | yeah, says the default is low |
| 11:25 | <mdz> | -pvalue, --priority=value |
| 11:25 | <mdz> | Specify the minimum priority of question that will be displayed. |
| 11:25 | <mdz> | dpkg-reconfigure normally shows low priority questions no matter |
| 11:25 | <mdz> | what your default priority is. |
| 11:26 | <mdz> | so the one who didn't have mysql will probably need to dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server and then dpkg-reconfigure --force mythtv-database |
| 11:26 | <justin_> | wht about the one that has mysql installed but changed the password? |
| 11:27 | <mdz> | dpkg-reconfigure --force mythtv-database will ask for the password |
| 11:27 | <justin_> | he said that only asked for the username |
| 11:27 | <mdz> | he lies :-) |
| 11:28 | <justin_> | he says it doesnt:) |
| 11:28 | <mdz> | I just tested it, and it does |
| 11:28 | <justin_> | he jsut said it didn't:) |
| 11:30 | <justin_> | what is the mythtv system account for? |
| 11:30 | <mdz> | running mythtv |
| 11:31 | <justin_> | hmm |
| 11:31 | <mdz> | that user (and group) has write access to the database and mythtv's data |
| 11:31 | <justin_> | I just run mythtv under my normal X session, you can do that with the debs right? |
| 11:31 | <mdz> | yes, just add yourself to the mythtv group |
| 11:31 | <mdz> | (README.Debian) |
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| 11:34 | <justin_> | he still can't get it installed heh |
| 11:35 | <justin_> | I dunno wtf his problem is, when i installed 0.70 from the debs it took 30 seconds |
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| 11:44 | <mdz> | likewise for every time I have tested them |
| 11:44 | <mdz> | the mysql not starting bit is the only genuine problem I am aware of |
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| 11:45 | <rkulagow> | chutt: are you going to whack the gist.com code now that they're gone? |
| 11:45 | <mdz> | I think the only thing I can do about that is to print a message about it if it fails to connect to the database |
| 11:45 | <justin_> | why do you think it wouldn't ask for the password? |
| 11:45 | <Chutt> | rkulagow, i disabled the ui to select it |
| 11:47 | <justin_> | mdz: shouldn't /usr/share/mythtv/mysql.txt be readable? |
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| 11:58 | <mdz> | justin_: only by the mythtv group |
| 11:58 | <mdz> | that is the point |
| 11:58 | <mdz> | that file exists to hold the password basically |
| 11:58 | <mdz> | justin_: I have no idea why it would not ask for the password; in fact I do not believe it |
| 11:59 | <mdz> | unless some dependent piece is hosed, like debconf |
| 12:00 | <Chutt> | poptix, could you send me that msp3400 patch whenever you get a chance? |
| 12:00 | <poptix> | sure |
| 12:00 | <justin_> | mdz: he said that file was root:root |
| 12:01 | <mdz> | justin_: it's a symlink |
| 12:01 | <justin_> | hmm |
| 12:01 | <mdz> | he probably did ls -l and didn't read it |
| 12:01 | <justin_> | wouldn't be surprised:) |
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| 12:02 | <justin_> | now he gets "Session management error: Could not open network socket" starting the backend |
| 12:02 | <Chutt> | that should be ignorable |
| 12:02 | <mdz> | yep |
| 12:02 | <mdz> | I don't know why some people get that and I don't |
| 12:02 | <bline> | i've had that, when my slash was full |
| 12:03 | <Chutt> | bline, does just turning off automatic commercial skipping fix things as well? |
| 12:03 | <bline> | Chutt: you refering to my mailing list post? |
| 12:03 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 12:04 | <justin_> | hmm great |
| 12:04 | <justin_> | he doesn't have a tv card right now, but wants to run mythmusic etc |
| 12:04 | <mdz> | then why did he install the backend? |
| 12:04 | <justin_> | but mythfrontend wont start without mythbackend, and mythbackend wont start without a tv card |
| 12:04 | <mdz> | you don't need mythfrontend to run mythmusic |
| 12:04 | <bline> | I tried it with several options in the commercial skipping section, it only seemed to stop skipping when all of them were off. |
| 12:05 | <Chutt> | huh |
| 12:05 | <justin_> | yeah but then you dont get a nice menu to pick between mythgame/music/etc |
| 12:05 | <Chutt> | weird. |
| 12:05 | <bline> | But I could have missed something |
| 12:05 | <bline> | I could go home early today if you want me to debug it further ;) |
| 12:05 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 12:05 | <Chutt> | naw :p |
| 12:05 | <bline> | the joys of my workplace |
| 12:06 | <Chutt> | so how much traffic do the mythtv archives get? |
| 12:06 | <bline> | I'll go look, one sec |
| 12:06 | <Chutt> | just curious =) |
| 12:09 | <justin_> | great:) now he says mythmusic won't run because it cna't find the theme |
| 12:10 | <justin_> | what sets the theme for the first time, setup? |
| 12:10 | <mdz> | hmm, that is possibly a bug |
| 12:10 | <Chutt> | mythfrontend |
| 12:10 | <justin_> | cause it says: |
| 12:10 | <justin_> | Couldn't find theme /usr/share/mythtv/themes/ |
| 12:10 | <bline> | yesterday we got 3,628 requests in the archive |
| 12:10 | <mdz> | the themes ship with the frontend |
| 12:10 | <justin_> | yeah, the files are there, but its trying to open theme "" |
| 12:11 | <mdz> | yeah, that's not going to work for a number of reasons |
| 12:11 | <mdz> | you need to start the frontend in order to set the default theme |
| 12:11 | <mdz> | and the themes are in the frontend package |
| 12:11 | <bline> | 2,810 where mythtv |
| 12:11 | <justin_> | well he has the frontend installed, it just wont run |
| 12:11 | <bline> | leader by far in all the mailing list archives |
| 12:12 | <mdz> | justin_: mythtv is going to be a big pain in the ass if all he wants to do is to play music |
| 12:12 | <mdz> | tell him to install xmms instead |
| 12:12 | <Chutt> | he can always just define a dummy tuner card in the backend |
| 12:12 | <Chutt> | bline, heh, nice =) |
| 12:14 | * justin_ | never understands why people have so many problems |
| 12:16 | <mdz> | because they are using the wrong tools |
| 12:17 | <justin_> | and setup tells you to run mythfilldatabase right? |
| 12:17 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 12:17 | <justin_> | cause he just pasted more errors because he didn't run it, and i swear something tells you to |
| 12:17 | <Chutt> | he doesn't need to, of course |
| 12:20 | <justin_> | ok, he finally got it running |
| 12:20 | <justin_> | he says hes getting the tv card later today |
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| 12:45 | * poptix | prepares patch |
| 12:45 | <poptix> | well, trying at least |
| 12:45 | <poptix> | sourceforge's cvs servers are sucking lately |
| 12:45 | <poptix> | Chutt: http://www.poptix.net/ivtv/ivtv-nowhine.patch |
| 12:47 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 12:47 | <poptix> | make sure you don't load the msp driver at all |
| 12:47 | <Chutt> | you didn't remove the old init code |
| 12:47 | <poptix> | for the msp3400 module? no |
| 12:47 | <poptix> | no need to |
| 12:50 | <poptix> | as I said, i doubt it'll do anything but tuner audio input |
| 12:50 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 12:50 | <Chutt> | ok |
| 12:50 | <poptix> | but that's all I use, and the whine is gone |
| 12:50 | <poptix> | WorksForMe(tm) |
| 12:51 | <poptix> | until someone with decent hearing can fix the real problem, which I've been unable to track down |
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| 14:12 | <poptix> | people who hijack threads should be shot |
| 14:14 | <Chutt> | i don't even thread my mythtv box |
| 14:16 | <poptix> | i pick your posts out of threads, then collapse them and mark them as read. |
| 14:23 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 14:23 | <Chutt> | kmail doesn't like it if you select a few thousand messages |
| 14:25 | <Chutt> | kinda wish it'd automatically move message over a certain age into another folder |
| 14:32 | <mdz> | I just have messages I've read moved into another folder |
| 14:33 | <mdz> | and flag things that I don't want to be moved yet |
| 14:34 | <poptix> | i have procmail do all that for me |
| 14:34 | <poptix> | :0: |
| 14:34 | <poptix> | * ^Sender:.mythtv-users-bounces@snowman.net|\ |
| 14:34 | <poptix> | ^TOmythtv-users |
| 14:35 | <poptix> | mail/.myth-users/myth-users-`date +%b-%Y` |
| 14:35 | <poptix> | there's a symlink in ~/mail that points to the current month |
| 14:35 | <mdz> | procmail doesn't move things between folders, unless you postprocess them with formail |
| 14:35 | <Chutt> | i don't want a folder per month |
| 14:35 | <mdz> | that rule does not do the same thing |
| 14:36 | <Chutt> | i want an -old and the current month |
| 14:36 | <poptix> | mdz: it's depositing them in seperate folders, not moving |
| 14:36 | <mdz> | poptix: yes, that's something different |
| 14:36 | <mdz> | I use procmail to filter things initially |
| 14:36 | <mdz> | but mutt moves things away after I've read them also |
| 14:36 | <poptix> | you could always push it through formail nightly and weed out read posts |
| 14:37 | <poptix> | i don't know, haven't ever used kmail |
| 14:37 | <poptix> | mutt runs for months, sometimes a year at a time =p |
| 14:37 | <Chutt> | i like kmail |
| 14:38 | <mdz> | I couldn't deal with an MUA which made me use the mouse |
| 14:38 | <poptix> | mdz: ditto |
| 14:38 | <poptix> | i can't stand anything that makes me use a mouse really, including web browsers |
| 14:39 | <Chutt> | i can't stand mua's that aren't gui =) |
| 14:39 | <poptix> | i'll hit tab 30-40 times to get to a link before picking up the mouse to click on it =/ |
| 14:39 | <mdz> | use mozilla or galeon |
| 14:39 | <mdz> | where you can jump to a hyperlink by typing in a few characters |
| 14:39 | <mdz> | (of the text of the link) |
| 14:39 | <poptix> | heh |
| 14:39 | <poptix> | thanks, i never noticed that before |
| 14:39 | <poptix> | reminds me |
| 14:39 | <poptix> | "Sony says the hard drives used in the device are regular PC models and not the audio-visual hard drives that are being touted as better suited to video recording." |
| 14:40 | <poptix> | audio-visual hard drives? |
| 14:40 | <mdz> | yep |
| 14:40 | <poptix> | is that like, special music CD-R's? |
| 14:40 | <poptix> | ie, complete marketing bullshit |
| 14:40 | <mdz> | no |
| 14:40 | <poptix> | what's the point? |
| 14:40 | <mdz> | http://www.sims.berkeley.edu/~jwang/cgi/av-faq/Hardware/02%20What%20Makes%20an%20AV%20Hard%20Drive%3F |
| 14:40 | <mdz> | or anything else you get when searching google for that term |
| 14:41 | <Chutt> | damnit |
| 14:41 | <Chutt> | i forgot to load the ivtv driver without debug mode _again_ |
| 14:41 | <poptix> | eh |
| 14:41 | <poptix> | mdz: sounds like something that could be set via hdparm with the right firmware |
| 14:41 | <Chutt> | i should just automate that |
| 14:42 | <poptix> | nothing worth spending money on. |
| 14:42 | <poptix> | woo, the sony pvr has an 'innovative user interface' |
| 14:43 | <poptix> | interesting |
| 14:43 | <poptix> | it runs montevista linux |
| 14:44 | <Chutt> | notice the date on that story, too |
| 14:44 | <poptix> | Minnesota recently changed the company that supplies all their lottery machines, and the new company runs montevista linux on x86 hardware |
| 14:44 | <poptix> | for all the lotto machines in gas stations and whatnot throughout the state |
| 14:44 | <poptix> | Chutt: heh =) |
| 14:45 | <poptix> | it's all marketing fluff anyway |
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| 14:57 | <poptix> | hrm |
| 14:57 | <poptix> | mythtv isn't changing channels |
| 15:00 | <mdz> | Chutt: echo "options ivtv debug=0" >> /etc/modutils/local && update-modules |
| 15:00 | <Chutt> | yeah, yeah |
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| 15:01 | <poptix> | echo "options ivtv debug=0" > /etc/modules.conf |
| 15:02 | <poptix> | =P |
| 15:02 | <poptix> | er, >> |
| 15:02 | * poptix | smacks mythtv |
| 15:03 | <poptix> | it seems to be confused about what channel it's trying to go to |
| 15:04 | <poptix> | QTime::fromString: Parameter out of range. |
| 15:04 | <poptix> | QTime::fromString: Parameter out of range. |
| 15:04 | <poptix> | Channel: '' was not found in the database. |
| 15:04 | <poptix> | Most likely, the default channel set for this input |
| 15:04 | <poptix> | (/dev/video0 QTime::fromString: Parameter out of range. |
| 15:04 | <poptix> | QTime::fromString: Parameter out of range. |
| 15:04 | <poptix> | hrm. |
| 15:05 | <poptix> | tunechan and startchan are both '66' in the database |
| 15:06 | <Chutt> | tunechan should be empty, i think |
| 15:06 | <poptix> | erm |
| 15:06 | <Chutt> | but.. |
| 15:06 | <Chutt> | i dunno, otherwise |
| 15:06 | <poptix> | defaultinput is wrong |
| 15:06 | <poptix> | it set it to 'Television' for the pvr250 |
| 15:06 | <mdz> | poptix: /etc/modules.conf is automatically generated in Debian |
| 15:06 | <Chutt> | it shouldn't be able to |
| 15:06 | <mdz> | and elsewhere |
| 15:07 | <poptix> | that didn't fix it |
| 15:07 | <poptix> | mdz: and that breaks things |
| 15:07 | <Chutt> | it autodetects the inputs now |
| 15:07 | <mdz> | works fine for me |
| 15:07 | <poptix> | Chutt: is channel 3 or 4 hard coded somewhere? |
| 15:07 | <poptix> | i've taken both of them out of my xmltv config |
| 15:07 | <Chutt> | nope |
| 15:08 | <poptix> | 3 is some spanish channel, 4 is TV Guide |
| 15:08 | <poptix> | grr |
| 15:09 | <poptix> | Chutt: what is it trying to read? |
| 15:09 | <poptix> | this is a clean setup |
| 15:09 | <Chutt> | i dunno |
| 15:09 | <poptix> | it spits out two 'QTime::fromString: Parameter out of range. |
| 15:10 | <poptix> | every time i press up or down |
| 15:10 | <poptix> | the EPG comes up with all the right data |
| 15:12 | <Chutt> | hrm |
| 15:12 | <Chutt> | the qte3 debs are broken |
| 15:12 | <Chutt> | the qmake stuff is set to link against qt3, not qte3 |
| 15:14 | <mdz> | poptix: that is just from NULLs in the database |
| 15:14 | <poptix> | well, i fixed it |
| 15:14 | <poptix> | dropped the database again |
| 15:14 | <poptix> | reconfigured, again |
| 15:14 | <poptix> | this time i didn't fill in a preset channel |
| 15:14 | <poptix> | works now. |
| 15:15 | <Chutt> | poptix, you may have missed a database update |
| 15:16 | <poptix> | i didn't |
| 15:16 | <poptix> | dropped the database completely before cvs update |
| 15:16 | <poptix> | make; make install |
| 15:16 | <poptix> | mysql < mc.sql |
| 15:16 | <poptix> | setup, mythbackend, mythfrontend |
| 15:16 | <poptix> | shrug. |
| 15:20 | <poptix> | where are the EPG font size settings |
| 15:20 | <poptix> | blah |
| 15:20 | <Chutt> | ui.xml |
| 15:21 | <mdz> | poptix: at any rate, the message should be harmless |
| 15:21 | <Chutt> | hrm |
| 15:21 | <Chutt> | why isn't this linking... |
| 15:32 | <inman> | i use/love mutt, too. it can move old files into an -old folder if you configure it to do so. |
| 15:32 | <inman> | using maildir for storage, you can just move files that are old. |
| 15:32 | <inman> | then you don't need to parse the messages... |
| 15:33 | <inman> | pretty efficient, that. i use it for catchall mailboxen that i don't want to have to look at or weed manually. |
| 15:34 | * inman | goes back to his diff swap. |
| 15:34 | <Chutt> | diff swap? |
| 15:35 | <inman> | swapping the limited-slip differential off an automatic supra-tt into my manual supra-tt for a taller final drive gear. |
| 15:36 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 15:37 | <Chutt> | mdz, have you used the qte3 debs at all? |
| 15:40 | <Chutt> | i can't even get the examples to compile |
| 15:40 | <mdz> | nope |
| 15:41 | <mdz> | I didn't even know there was a qte3 |
| 15:41 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 15:41 | <mdz> | I thought embedded was still at v2 |
| 15:41 | <Chutt> | mythtv's compiling fine with it |
| 15:41 | <Chutt> | it's just not linking |
| 15:41 | <Chutt> | at all =) |
| 15:41 | <mdz> | wow, the db plugins and everything |
| 15:41 | <mdz> | that must not be very small |
| 15:42 | <mdz> | Installed-Size: 6828 |
| 15:42 | <mdz> | vs Installed-Size: 3408 for qte2 |
| 15:42 | <mdz> | just about 2x |
| 15:43 | <mdz> | are you doing this for framebuffer support, or to run on the Zaurus? |
| 15:43 | <Chutt> | kinda bored, wondering if it'd run on a framebuffer |
| 15:43 | <mdz> | s/run/try to run/ :-) |
| 15:43 | <mdz> | I don't think it has enough memory |
| 15:43 | <Chutt> | like, on a computer, not a palmtop |
| 15:44 | <mdz> | I was correcting myself, not you |
| 15:44 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 15:45 | <mdz> | what is the linker complaining about? |
| 15:46 | <Chutt> | 'undefined reference to `typeinfo for QPushButton' |
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| 15:54 | <Chutt> | hmm |
| 15:54 | <Chutt> | maybe if i set qmakespec to something else.. |
| 15:55 | <mdz> | do the examples build? |
| 15:56 | <Chutt> | now they do |
| 15:57 | <mdz> | isn't it fixed now so that you don't need to set qmakespec? |
| 15:57 | <mdz> | regular qt3 was anyway |
| 15:57 | <mdz> | yeah, they both have default symlinks now |
| 15:57 | <Chutt> | needed to set it to qws/linux-x86-g++ |
| 15:59 | <Chutt> | right |
| 15:59 | <Chutt> | but kde apparently sets qmakespec |
| 15:59 | <Chutt> | or i am somewhere |
| 16:01 | <Chutt> | _now_ it's compiling properly |
| 16:01 | <Chutt> | giving me errors about the qt-x11 stuff it uses for the xinerama junk |
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| 16:10 | <poptix> | chutt |
| 16:10 | <poptix> | i guess i do need to remove the msp3400 module stuff in my patch |
| 16:10 | <poptix> | otherwise you can't use multiple tuners |
| 16:10 | <poptix> | well, you can't use any bt8x8 cards at least. |
| 16:10 | <poptix> | due to bttv using the msp3400 driver, and then the ivtv driver talks to that and just screws it all to hell |
| 16:11 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 16:21 | <Chutt> | http://ijr.dnsalias.org/epg-framebuffer.jpg |
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| 16:23 | <moegreen> | Chutt: what does that do for us? |
| 16:23 | <Chutt> | i dunno |
| 16:23 | <Chutt> | no X, i suppose |
| 16:23 | <Chutt> | if someone were to write a SDL output method |
| 16:23 | <moegreen> | ah |
| 16:26 | <poptix> | Chutt: nifty. |
| 16:26 | <poptix> | how much work, beyond the hassle of getting qt/e to compile, was it? |
| 16:27 | <Chutt> | couple changes |
| 16:27 | <Chutt> | nothing major |
| 16:28 | <Chutt> | and i'm using the qte debs |
| 16:29 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 16:29 | <Chutt> | the menu doesn't quite work =) |
| 16:29 | <Chutt> | believe it's the drop shadow in there |
| 16:31 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 16:31 | <Chutt> | preview window, transparency, everything =) |
| 16:36 | <Chutt> | yeah, if i turn off the drop shadow, things work there, too |
| 16:36 | <Chutt> | great =) |
| 16:39 | <poptix> | ah, cool. |
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| 16:43 | <Chutt> | i should just do plain color drop shadows |
| 16:44 | <Chutt> | not the blended stuff the menus have now |
| 16:44 | <Chutt> | would be faster, anyway |
| 16:44 | <TheAsp> | New option in make menuconfig. (Score:5, Funny) |
| 16:44 | <TheAsp> | by Anonymous Coward on 05:02 PM May 2nd, 2003 (#5864525) |
| 16:44 | <TheAsp> | [*] SCO lawsuit support (EXPERIMENTAL) (NEW) |
| 16:48 | <Ripp> | where's the setting for the font size in the main menus? I can't seem to find it. |
| 16:49 | <Ripp> | if it exists |
| 16:49 | <Chutt> | theme.xml |
| 16:50 | <Ripp> | aha! thanks! been squinting at the defaults for a while now :) |
| 16:50 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 16:54 | <TheAsp> | the fonts are all weird if you |
| 16:54 | <TheAsp> | 've never ran qtconfig |
| 16:54 | <TheAsp> | What moron decided ' should be next to enter? |
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| 17:06 | <moegreen> | damn...I must be the last to get the list emails as Chutt has always replied by the time I get my email out the door...oh well :) |
| 17:07 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 17:07 | <Chutt> | i just type fast |
| 17:07 | <Chutt> | =) |
| 17:09 | <Chutt> | think it might be worthwhile to limit the # of channels displayed in the code? |
| 17:13 | <moegreen> | Chutt: it is limited by 8 right now |
| 17:13 | <Chutt> | right, but 8's too many isn't it? |
| 17:13 | <moegreen> | though I could add an if statement in the event that the live video is showing |
| 17:13 | <moegreen> | 8 works without video I think |
| 17:13 | <Chutt> | hmm |
| 17:14 | <Chutt> | maybe make the theme define the max values? |
| 17:14 | <moegreen> | that could work |
| 17:14 | <TheAsp> | you mean in the epg? at 1024x768 i had to lower mine |
| 17:14 | <TheAsp> | with blue |
| 17:15 | <Chutt> | same here |
| 17:15 | <Chutt> | 8's too many =) |
| 17:15 | <moegreen> | it's too many for blue, but not necessarily for others - if the theme designer utiltized some of the space I set aside for the edges of the screen |
| 17:16 | <Chutt> | right |
| 17:17 | <TheAsp> | there a new version of sasquatch? |
| 17:17 | <Chutt> | whoops |
| 17:17 | <Chutt> | make distclean instead of a make install |
| 17:17 | <Chutt> | not smart =) |
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| 17:19 | <TheAsp> | ARGHH |
| 17:19 | <TheAsp> | freaking logrotate. |
| 17:26 | <poptix> | why would you limit the channels to 8? |
| 17:26 | <Chutt> | displayed at one time |
| 17:26 | <poptix> | the 5 in the alt epg aren't nearly enough |
| 17:27 | <poptix> | 8 in regular epg wouldn't be enough for me |
| 17:27 | <poptix> | <- big TV |
| 17:27 | <poptix> | also, Chutt, what's the status of ff/rw/etc with mpeg2 recordings? |
| 17:28 | <Chutt> | been done for awhile |
| 17:28 | <poptix> | it scrolls 'rebuffering (x x)' for a while, then gets to some point in the future |
| 17:28 | <poptix> | is that expected behavior? |
| 17:28 | <Chutt> | new recordings will be quick |
| 17:28 | <Chutt> | that's what it does for recordings from before some of the record-side seek support went in |
| 17:28 | <poptix> | hmm |
| 17:28 | <poptix> | this is freshly recorded 30 minutes ago |
| 17:29 | <poptix> | channel skipping worked okay |
| 17:29 | <moegreen> | poptix: if you hit 8 in the live tv EPG, there isn't enough screenspace to show the titles |
| 17:29 | <moegreen> | actually it's 7 I think |
| 17:29 | <poptix> | moegreen: not enough if the font is huge |
| 17:29 | <TheAsp> | 7 works for me |
| 17:29 | <poptix> | i decreased all the font sizes by at least half |
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| 17:32 | <aciel> | hey all |
| 17:34 | <aciel> | i'm running mythtv through artsdsp, and it's going extraordinarily slow. when i run it without artsdsp it goes slightly faster, but only slightly, and there's a horrible echo |
| 17:34 | <aciel> | why might it be doing this? |
| 17:34 | <Chutt> | well, first, don't run it through artsdsp |
| 17:34 | <Chutt> | second, read the faq, it addresses the echo |
| 17:34 | <Chutt> | third, make sure your computer's up to the task -- how much cpu is free, etc |
| 17:34 | <aciel> | thank you, i shall check it out. |
| 17:35 | <aciel> | should be up to it, it's a thunderbird 1333 |
| 17:35 | <Chutt> | you have dma turned on on your harddrive, etc |
| 17:35 | <aciel> | do i need to have the ide bus speed set? |
| 17:36 | <TheAsp> | Chutt: what bitrate you using with your winpvr? |
| 17:36 | <Chutt> | theasp, 8k, i don't feel like messing with the driver |
| 17:36 | <aciel> | i'm looking at the FAQ and not seeing anything about the echo |
| 17:37 | <Chutt> | it's the 4th question |
| 17:38 | <aciel> | is there a fast way to turn arts on and off? maybe a plugin? |
| 17:38 | <Chutt> | killall -9 artsd |
| 17:38 | <Chutt> | :p |
| 17:38 | <aciel> | thanks :-P |
| 17:38 | <Chutt> | artsd is really quite broken, anyway |
| 17:39 | <aciel> | but it's the only way for me to get all of my programs working in KDE |
| 17:39 | <Chutt> | i had it spawn a couple hundred copies of itself once |
| 17:39 | <aciel> | i had kdeinit do that |
| 17:42 | <aciel> | i still have a very faint echo |
| 17:43 | <inman> | Chutt: my ff bug doesn't seem to be fixed in cvs... |
| 17:44 | <Chutt> | i committed what you said worked |
| 17:44 | <TheAsp> | Do you need a backtrace for the frontend crash when recording starts? |
| 17:44 | <inman> | oh, maybe that's why it's not showing up in my diff. maybe i didn't remove it from my code. |
| 17:46 | <inman> | Chutt: you're right, of course, thanks. |
| 17:48 | <Chutt> | theasp, yes |
| 17:49 | <TheAsp> | ok, building now |
| 17:49 | * inman | watches. |
| 17:50 | <TheAsp> | inman: it's not terribly exciting :P |
| 17:50 | <moegreen> | heh, mythtv-users] problem re-using PVR-250 <- clearly a question for the ivtv list |
| 17:50 | <inman> | sure it is, you're too modest. |
| 17:52 | <inman> | moegreen: if I were Chutt, I would not respond to those posts so generously. |
| 17:52 | <aciel> | dammit, now my audio's gone completely |
| 17:53 | <inman> | surely someone else can answer those questions and save developer time. |
| 17:53 | <TheAsp> | inman: i could get a webcam so you can watch my grass grow :) |
| 17:53 | <inman> | word. |
| 17:54 | <inman> | TheAsp: mythtv is da bomb. |
| 17:56 | <aciel> | i don't understand why it's doing this. argh. |
| 17:56 | <aciel> | why can't the linux community just adopt one GD audio standard? |
| 17:58 | <aciel> | my line in is muted and i can still hear the bloody thing |
| 17:59 | <poptix> | aciel: OSS was standard, then these alsa freaks came along =P |
| 17:59 | <aciel> | :( |
| 17:59 | <Chutt> | inman, heh, you haven't read my response to that last one |
| 17:59 | <aciel> | ooh, this is funny |
| 18:00 | <poptix> | Chutt: i'd be happy to help moderate the -dev list =) |
| 18:00 | <Chutt> | naw, you don't want to |
| 18:00 | <aciel> | i have every audio source on my sound card muted, except for the main volume...and somehow, i'm still getting tv card sound! |
| 18:00 | <aciel> | piece of shit |
| 18:00 | <aciel> | it's not even synced with the video |
| 18:01 | <TheAsp> | aciel: what card do you have? |
| 18:01 | <poptix> | god damnit |
| 18:02 | <inman> | Chutt: what can you say about future support for qt/e under myth? |
| 18:03 | <Chutt> | nothing, really |
| 18:03 | <Chutt> | i was just curious to see if it compiled |
| 18:03 | * inman | nods. |
| 18:07 | <poptix> | hrm |
| 18:07 | <poptix> | i think mythtranscode is running on something i already deleted |
| 18:08 | <Chutt> | i'm going to disable that for the 0.9 release |
| 18:08 | <poptix> | mythtrans 5648 root 17r REG 34,1 3886700480 12 /media/myth/1043_20030502150000_20030502160000.nuv (deleted) |
| 18:08 | <poptix> | heh |
| 18:08 | <Chutt> | as it doesn't seem to be ready for use, yet |
| 18:08 | <TheAsp> | What does that do anyway? |
| 18:08 | <Chutt> | this is why i hate big patches |
| 18:08 | <Chutt> | people submit stuff, then walk away |
| 18:08 | <Chutt> | and it never works |
| 18:09 | <Chutt> | and i have to fix it |
| 18:09 | <TheAsp> | Just reprocess the stream when idle? |
| 18:09 | <Chutt> | theasp, yeah |
| 18:10 | * TheAsp | takes a screenshot of this compile for inman |
| 18:11 | <inman> | schweet. |
| 18:11 | <TheAsp> | heh |
| 18:11 | <TheAsp> | almost done |
| 18:11 | <inman> | man, i can't wait. |
| 18:13 | <TheAsp> | oh, weird, backend crashed |
| 18:15 | <aciel> | for an ATI TV Wonder PCI, what V4L drivers do I need compiled? |
| 18:17 | <poptix> | aciel: you need the 'i don't know how to read' driver |
| 18:17 | <poptix> | you see, it teaches you how to read, then you're able to read things like the FAQ, and use search engines like Google |
| 18:18 | <aciel> | Gosh, how mature. I was just wondering if anyone happened to know it off the top of the head, so I didn't have to fuck around with mozilla. |
| 18:18 | <aciel> | Excuse me for living. |
| 18:18 | <poptix> | you're excused. |
| 18:18 | <aciel> | Thanks :) |
| 18:18 | <poptix> | a lot of people come asking questions that people might know off the top of their head |
| 18:18 | <poptix> | and they're all documented |
| 18:18 | <poptix> | google knows off the top of its head |
| 18:18 | <poptix> | so go ask google. |
| 18:19 | <inman> | google has a really BIG head. |
| 18:19 | <TheAsp> | grr, cant schedule a recording with manual recording? :P |
| 18:19 | <aciel> | yeah, I like google |
| 18:19 | <poptix> | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=for+an+ATI+TV+Wonder+PCI%2C+what+V4L+drivers+do+I+need+compiled%3F&btnG=Google+Search |
| 18:19 | <poptix> | i typed in your exact question from here |
| 18:20 | <poptix> | and whaddya know, the answer is in the first link |
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| 18:21 | <TheAsp> | This bug DOES exist, right? (crash on record) |
| 18:21 | <aciel> | whaddya know, that's the VE. that brings up another question. Is the VE similar enough to my non-VE card that it uses the exact same drivers? |
| 18:21 | <Morph> | poptix: thats amazing, simply amazing. How can I share in this wealth of knowledge? |
| 18:23 | <poptix> | Morph: the first step is opening a web browser. |
| 18:23 | <Morph> | Hmm that sounds tough.. |
| 18:23 | <Morph> | ..I dont think I can handle that. |
| 18:23 | <aciel> | don't you guys have something better to be doing? |
| 18:24 | <Morph> | at the moment..nope. |
| 18:24 | <aciel> | if you don't want to be of assistance, i'd prefer that you not say anything to me. |
| 18:24 | <aciel> | no offense, or anything. |
| 18:24 | <TheAsp> | to be fair, i think they were talking to eachother :P |
| 18:24 | <PeteCool> | Chutt, what email address do you want me to send the bt for the crash as recordings start? |
| 18:24 | <aciel> | *grin* true |
| 18:25 | <TheAsp> | PeteCool: hey! |
| 18:25 | <TheAsp> | im trying to bt that right now |
| 18:25 | <PeteCool> | took over 8 records for it to happen, usually it's three at most |
| 18:25 | <TheAsp> | can you paste a few lines to me? |
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| 18:34 | <Chutt> | bt full, just send to me |
| 18:34 | <Chutt> | and there's nothing in that backtrace you sent, sorry |
| 18:47 | <TheAsp> | ok |
| 18:47 | <TheAsp> | hmm |
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| 18:48 | <TheAsp> | maybe if i add a bunch of scheduled recordings 1 minute long |
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| 18:51 | <rkulagow> | huh, zap2it may be getting into the gist.com busineess. |
| 18:53 | <moegreen> | rkulagow: where do you see that? |
| 18:56 | <rkulagow> | over on the XMLTV list. |
| 18:56 | <rkulagow> | "Perhaps you'd like to try this - request a beta account from |
| 18:56 | <rkulagow> | datadirect@zap2it.com, try the example clients they provide and see if |
| 18:56 | <rkulagow> | some XSLT can convert their data to XMLTV. |
| 18:56 | <rkulagow> | " |
| 18:57 | <TheAsp> | hmm, that didnt work |
| 18:57 | <TheAsp> | well, i give up, cant trigger it. |
| 18:59 | <rkulagow> | http://datadirect.zap2it.com/ |
| 19:07 | <Ripp> | hey does cvs still require a v4l2 kernel? |
| 19:08 | <TheAsp> | did it ever? |
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| 19:08 | <Ripp> | the last few times I tried compiling it it would just barf looking for some v4l2 stuff... which I don't have |
| 19:08 | <Ripp> | figured it was related to the new ivtv stuff |
| 19:11 | <Ripp> | I'll try dl'ing it again see if I can get the same errors |
| 19:13 | <moegreen> | Ripp: you only need a v4l2 patched kernel if you're using the winPVR-XXX card...it may give you a warning saying that it couldn't find the support for it - but it shouldn't stop the compile |
| 19:14 | <inman> | actually, chutt put in the headers, so you don't need anything special anymore. |
| 19:14 | <Ripp> | inman: OK then it's probably fixed. I think that was the problem, couldn't find the v4l2 headers... |
| 19:15 | <moegreen> | inman: i think you'd still need the v4l2 support if you want to use the WIN-PVR cards though, right? |
| 19:15 | <inman> | moegreen: yep. |
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| 19:16 | <moegreen> | inman: I didn't respond to you the other day (about the red line around the recordings), it does highlight the entire box, does it need to do more than that? The 'buttons' for recording seem pretty clear. I was thinking of adding some code to make sure they don't overlap the arrows, but I'm not sure if it's totally necessary |
| 19:16 | <Ripp> | cvs co over dialup s*cks |
| 19:16 | * Ripp | twiddles his thumbs |
| 19:16 | <inman> | moegreen: i will take another look. |
| 19:16 | * TheAsp | hands Ripp some -z3 magic |
| 19:17 | <inman> | iirc, the box goes red when you hit 'r' but if you navigate elsewhere, it just has an R and isn't red. |
| 19:17 | <moegreen> | inman: the box highlight isn't as profound when using the alpha blending |
| 19:17 | <Ripp> | -z3 is on and it still sucks :p |
| 19:17 | <inman> | true. |
| 19:17 | <inman> | moegreen: looks good now. :-) |
| 19:18 | <moegreen> | hmm...the recording buttons should show over the arrows though - i can fix that easily though |
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| 19:22 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: nothing? hmm... |
| 19:23 | <TheAsp> | well there was nothing specific to myth in what you showed me |
| 19:24 | <TheAsp> | i should get off my ass and throw this code in a thread |
| 19:24 | <PeteCool> | #9 0x0806bbd6 in RunMenu(QString) (themedir= |
| 19:24 | <PeteCool> | {static null = {static null = <same as static member of an already seen type>, d = 0x8394b60, static shared_null = 0x8394b60}, d = 0x840d9a0, static shared_null = 0x8394b60}) at main.cpp:227 |
| 19:25 | <PeteCool> | oh wait... wrong thing |
| 19:26 | <TheAsp> | 19:27:36 <PeteCool> [Switching to Thread 16384 (LWP 17281)] |
| 19:26 | <TheAsp> | 19:27:36 <PeteCool> 0x4049f3b0 in QTipManager::eventFilter(QObject*, QEvent*) () from /usr/qt/3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 |
| 19:27 | <inman> | QTipManager. great. |
| 19:27 | <inman> | i need one of those... |
| 19:27 | <TheAsp> | heh |
| 19:27 | * TheAsp | gives inman a tip |
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| 19:27 | <inman> | is it "don't use acid degreaser without gloves?" |
| 19:27 | <TheAsp> | that'll do |
| 19:27 | * inman | has partially dissolved hands right now. |
| 19:28 | <PeteCool> | does the backend send a signal to the frontend when a recording starts? |
| 19:29 | <inman> | PeteCool: only if the frontend is watching tv, i believe. |
| 19:29 | <inman> | actually, maybe never. |
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| 19:29 | <inman> | why do you ask? |
| 19:30 | <inman> | PeteCool: it will send a signal to the frontend in any case. |
| 19:30 | <PeteCool> | inman: it *could* be that the backend sometimes sends a wrongful signal to the frontend when the recordings start, crashing it... I don't think that Chutt would forget though |
| 19:31 | <inman> | PeteCool: er, if you're watching tv i mean. any case being "need to change channels" or "on the right channel at the moment". |
| 19:31 | <inman> | PeteCool: that only seems likely if the frontend is watching tv, otherwise, it should not get a signal. |
| 19:34 | <TheAsp> | isnt there some sort of recording list changed message? |
| 19:34 | <PeteCool> | yeah that's what I thought too |
| 19:35 | <moegreen> | the changed to RecordingOnly message is on the backend |
| 19:35 | <TheAsp> | nono |
| 19:35 | <TheAsp> | when it starts any recording |
| 19:35 | <PeteCool> | TheAsp: what theme are you using? there's some theme stuff in that bt |
| 19:35 | <TheAsp> | and we are talking about messages between backend and frontend |
| 19:35 | <TheAsp> | blue |
| 19:36 | <PeteCool> | TheAsp: did you get a bt yet? |
| 19:37 | <TheAsp> | playbackbox.cpp:1683: if (message == "RECORDING_LIST_CHANGE") |
| 19:37 | <TheAsp> | PeteCool: gave up, rebuilt a release build |
| 19:38 | <PeteCool> | TheAsp: my recordings for today don't seem to be much affected by the debugging slowdown |
| 19:38 | <TheAsp> | i use my box as a desktop too |
| 19:41 | * poptix | ponders borrowing the 2 P4 2.4ghz systems from downstairs for the weekend |
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| 19:42 | <TheAsp> | bbl |
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| 19:54 | <Chutt> | rkulagow, that's supposed to be hush-hush :p |
| 19:55 | <Cloak> | yeah, shhh! |
| 19:57 | <TheAsp> | XSL rocks :P |
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| 20:09 | <poptix> | well holy |
| 20:09 | <poptix> | 18.4% cpu use |
| 20:09 | <poptix> | recording with both cards simutaneously |
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| 20:09 | <TheAsp> | uh |
| 20:09 | <Universe> | hmm... wow.. |
| 20:09 | <TheAsp> | bastard :P |
| 20:10 | <Universe> | what are your specs? |
| 20:10 | <poptix> | Athlon 2000 XP, PVR250+WinTV |
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| 20:10 | <poptix> | although it looks like it's recording at 480x480 on the WinTV bt8x8 card |
| 20:11 | <Universe> | back/frontend on same system? |
| 20:11 | <poptix> | 720x480 on the pvr |
| 20:11 | <poptix> | yeah |
| 20:11 | <Universe> | very nice |
| 20:11 | <Chutt> | i doubt it's recording at different resolutions |
| 20:11 | <poptix> | frontend isn't playing video though |
| 20:11 | <Chutt> | there's nothing in the code that'll allow it to do that =) |
| 20:11 | <poptix> | Chutt: perhaps it's squashing it |
| 20:12 | <poptix> | when i pull out of full screen mode it looks like 480x480 |
| 20:12 | <Chutt> | both should be 480x480 |
| 20:12 | <Universe> | 480x480 isn't bad |
| 20:13 | <TheAsp> | better then i record at |
| 20:13 | <poptix> | Input #0, mpeg, from '/media/myth/1043_20030502190000_20030502200000.nuv': |
| 20:13 | <poptix> | Stream #0.0: Video: mpegvideo, 720x480, 29.97 fps, 16000 kb/s |
| 20:13 | <poptix> | Stream #0.1: Audio: mp2, 48000 Hz, stereo, 384 kb/s |
| 20:13 | <poptix> | weird. |
| 20:13 | <Chutt> | then it's squishing the other recording, then |
| 20:13 | <poptix> | alrighty |
| 20:13 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 20:13 | <poptix> | either way, it's doing a good job =) |
| 20:13 | <Universe> | lol |
| 20:17 | <poptix> | i've confiscated my roommates compaq for another myth frontend |
| 20:17 | <poptix> | installed redhat on it |
| 20:17 | <poptix> | heh heh |
| 20:18 | <TheAsp> | tsk tsk :P |
| 20:18 | <TheAsp> | so, when all my reiser partitions freaked out the other day... i ran reiserfsck --rebuild-sb on an ext2 partiton (/boot) |
| 20:19 | <TheAsp> | thats why it was messed up :P |
| 20:19 | <poptix> | hah |
| 20:20 | <TheAsp> | so i would have been safe running it on the rest of them :P~ |
| 20:20 | <poptix> | hmm |
| 20:20 | <poptix> | i've got one more bt8x8 based card here |
| 20:20 | <poptix> | and my girlfriend has one |
| 20:20 | <poptix> | she's going to london for 2 months, so i can hijack that too |
| 20:21 | <TheAsp> | how many tuners can you stuff in 1 box? :) |
| 20:21 | <poptix> | that's what i'm going to find out =) |
| 20:21 | <Chutt> | yay, fan shipped |
| 20:29 | <poptix> | Chutt: you're going to get that system perfected, then someone will send you the next nifty thing for free |
| 20:29 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 20:29 | <Universe> | lol.. |
| 20:30 | <poptix> | just have to build one for another TV then |
| 20:30 | <poptix> | i wonder how many DVB tuners it would take to recieve all channels simutaneously |
| 20:31 | <poptix> | receive |
| 20:33 | <TheAsp> | hah |
| 20:40 | <poptix> | it would be interesting to simutaneously record every channel |
| 20:40 | <poptix> | you'd need a lot of disk space though |
| 20:42 | <TheAsp> | a nice big san would do |
| 20:49 | <Chutt> | shit |
| 20:49 | <Chutt> | i think i may have just lost the drive on the cvs server |
| 20:50 | <inman> | bad. |
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| 20:50 | <TheAsp> | luckily you have the automatic internet backup system :P~ |
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| 20:50 | <TheAsp> | though losing the revisions always sucks |
| 20:50 | <Chutt> | well, i'll have the code |
| 20:51 | <poptix> | damn |
| 20:51 | <poptix> | good thing i just finished a CVS checkout |
| 20:51 | <Chutt> | and i've got a complete backup of from a couple weeks ago |
| 20:51 | <Chutt> | it just started making really loud clicking noises, heard it from another room |
| 20:51 | * poptix | hides |
| 20:51 | <TheAsp> | did it come back after powering it down? |
| 20:52 | <Chutt> | nope |
| 20:52 | <TheAsp> | heh, i hate that sound. |
| 20:52 | <Chutt> | i'm going to hang it off of another machine |
| 20:52 | <Chutt> | see what i can retrieve |
| 20:52 | <TheAsp> | if its clicking, probably nothing |
| 20:52 | <Chutt> | never know |
| 20:52 | <TheAsp> | if worse comes to worse, a good hard wack sometimes helps :P |
| 20:54 | <poptix> | tossing it in the freezer for half an hour might help |
| 20:54 | <poptix> | (seriously) |
| 20:54 | <inman> | yeah i'm a fan of the freezer/hammer trick. |
| 20:55 | <Chutt> | never heard of that |
| 20:55 | <inman> | freeze it then give it a (light) tap with a hammer. |
| 20:55 | <poptix> | it's basicly the whole thermal expansion thing |
| 20:56 | <TheAsp> | yeah, ive never heard of that either |
| 20:56 | * TheAsp | adds it to the list |
| 20:56 | <inman> | often the disc has crude that the heads get caught on when it powers down after awhile. |
| 20:56 | <inman> | it's usually experienced during a power failure when the servers don't all come back. ;-) |
| 20:56 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 20:57 | <Chutt> | this is a 6.5GB quantum fireball |
| 20:57 | <inman> | scorcher |
| 20:57 | <poptix> | oh my |
| 20:57 | <TheAsp> | I always thought fireball was a bad name for a hd |
| 20:58 | <poptix> | it was appropriate for that particular line of drives =) |
| 20:58 | <TheAsp> | true :)~ |
| 20:58 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 20:58 | <Chutt> | actually |
| 20:58 | <Chutt> | this is the box that QNX sent me when i ported freeamp to qnx rtp |
| 20:58 | <poptix> | fun |
| 20:58 | <poptix> | email maxtor and tell them you need a 250GB drive for mythtv development |
| 20:58 | <TheAsp> | nifty |
| 20:59 | <TheAsp> | I spose all your hard work was undone when they switched to gstreamer |
| 21:00 | <Chutt> | took a half hour |
| 21:00 | <TheAsp> | or was that someone else? |
| 21:00 | <TheAsp> | oh, hah |
| 21:01 | <Universe> | man... I need to get my name on a project.. |
| 21:01 | <Universe> | I want some free stuff too |
| 21:01 | <Cloak> | mythporn |
| 21:01 | <Ripp> | Chutt: that would explain why I can't seem to login to cvs ! =:O |
| 21:01 | <TheAsp> | hmm, must have been someone else that switched |
| 21:01 | <Chutt> | well, it was helped along by the fact that the guy that did the graphics for freeamp worked at qnx |
| 21:01 | <inman> | mythp2p |
| 21:01 | <Chutt> | ok |
| 21:01 | <Chutt> | going in the freezer |
| 21:01 | <TheAsp> | inman: we were talking about that the other day in another channel |
| 21:01 | <Chutt> | if you guys are sure about that :p |
| 21:01 | <poptix> | erm |
| 21:02 | * inman | nods to Chutt. |
| 21:02 | <poptix> | Chutt |
| 21:02 | <poptix> | it's definitely recording from the bt8x8 at 480x480 |
| 21:02 | <poptix> | and the pvr-250 at 720x480 |
| 21:02 | <TheAsp> | p2p wouldnt work as well as client/server though |
| 21:02 | <poptix> | could be my fault |
| 21:02 | * poptix | goes to break more stuff |
| 21:04 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 21:04 | <Chutt> | my wife's pissed |
| 21:04 | <Chutt> | all our pictures and stuff were on there |
| 21:04 | <inman> | no backups? |
| 21:04 | <Universe> | doh |
| 21:05 | <Chutt> | backup from like 3 months ago |
| 21:06 | <inman> | i don't backup my machines, but i mirror stuff i care about on many machines/sites. |
| 21:07 | <TheAsp> | in raid i trust |
| 21:07 | <inman> | in fire i trust raid's demise. |
| 21:07 | <inman> | <Chutt> inman, heh, you haven't read my response to that last one |
| 21:07 | <inman> | no, i never did see it. :-/ |
| 21:08 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 21:08 | <Chutt> | i just said 'ask on the ivtv list' |
| 21:08 | <inman> | Chutt: btw, be careful of condensation if you put a frozen disk back in your machine. |
| 21:08 | <Chutt> | it's not going back in the machine |
| 21:09 | <Chutt> | it'll hang outside of it |
| 21:09 | <inman> | i usually leave 'em on the outside of the case. |
| 21:09 | <Chutt> | until i scrounge up a replacement |
| 21:10 | <inman> | i did see that message. thing is, perhaps 75% of the support requests are for non-myth (hard|soft)ware. |
| 21:12 | <inman> | maybe there should be another list for support. |
| 21:12 | <poptix> | like, -users? |
| 21:13 | <inman> | sure, it's a psychological thing. |
| 21:13 | <Chutt> | it's quiet in here now |
| 21:13 | <Chutt> | only have the laptop on |
| 21:14 | <Chutt> | weird... |
| 21:30 | <Chutt> | got the MC/ dir =) |
| 21:37 | <Chutt> | well, most of it |
| 21:38 | <Ripp> | upgrade from 0.8 to cvs just use the 0-8-to-0-9.sql file or do I need to do any other db work? (the docs don't say that I can see) |
| 21:39 | <Chutt> | use cvs.sql |
| 21:39 | <Ripp> | not the 8->9 file? |
| 21:39 | <Chutt> | are you using 0.9? |
| 21:40 | <Ripp> | not yet obviously, going from .8 to cvs |
| 21:40 | <Chutt> | then... |
| 21:40 | <Ripp> | ok ok :) thought maybe the 8->9 file was in there for a reason |
| 21:41 | <Chutt> | it's there for when 0.9 is released, eventually |
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| 22:01 | <inman> | Chutt: which technique did you use to get the drive spinning again? |
| 22:01 | <Chutt> | freezer |
| 22:02 | <Chutt> | i was only able to get most of the MC dir |
| 22:02 | <Chutt> | then linux gave up on the drive |
| 22:02 | <inman> | that sucks. |
| 22:02 | <Chutt> | and now the bios won't even see it |
| 22:02 | <inman> | might wanna freeze it again overnight. |
| 22:02 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 22:02 | <Chutt> | but, that's the major bit off of it |
| 22:02 | <inman> | there can be quite a bit of latent heat in the disk since there's air inside... |
| 22:02 | <inman> | what about the images? |
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| 22:03 | <Chutt> | most of those are elsewhere |
| 22:03 | <Chutt> | well, the raw images are |
| 22:04 | <Chutt> | all the categorization/descriptions aren't, but that's not _that_ big of a deal |
| 22:06 | <inman> | 6gig ain't much. disk2disk backup is cheap. |
| 22:06 | <Chutt> | ya ya ya |
| 22:06 | <inman> | heh |
| 22:07 | <TheAsp> | a real man would pull out an electron microscope... |
| 22:08 | <Chutt> | hmm |
| 22:08 | <Chutt> | my book db was on there, but that's also on the zaurus |
| 22:09 | <inman> | a lost a scsi disk once when someone bumped a machine off a desk. |
| 22:09 | <inman> | i found that freezing is no help against giant gouges in the platter surfaces. |
| 22:10 | <inman> | Chutt: e-books or bibliography or...? |
| 22:11 | <Chutt> | set of webpages with covers/titles/other info of all the books i own |
| 22:11 | <inman> | are you a bibliophile? |
| 22:11 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 22:16 | <Chutt> | ah well |
| 22:16 | <inman> | there is no shame. |
| 22:16 | <Chutt> | back tomorrow |
| 22:16 | <Chutt> | wonder when the first 'what's up with CVS' email to the list will be =) |
| 22:17 | <inman> | about now, i'd guess. |
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| 23:22 | <poptix> | Chutt |
| 23:22 | <poptix> | you need to contact various companies |
| 23:23 | <Chutt> | 'bout what? |
| 23:23 | <poptix> | then set up a 'recommended hardware' page |
| 23:23 | <poptix> | since everyone and their dog is just too damned stupid to read |
| 23:23 | <poptix> | a big bright 'BUY THIS HARDWARE' page might help |
| 23:23 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 23:23 | <poptix> | then you can get the various hardware companies to bribe you to put their product name up there =) |
| 23:23 | <Chutt> | i actually do plan on posting details of the mini-itx box once i get that working satisfactorily |
| 23:24 | <Chutt> | but not as suggested hardware |
| 23:24 | <poptix> | 110 May 02 Chris Petersen ( ) [mythtv-users] suggested hardware? |
| 23:25 | <Chutt> | i wonder what bestbuy's cheapest harddrive is |
| 23:26 | <poptix> | i wouldn't buy a hard drive at best buy |
| 23:26 | <poptix> | they're all way too expensive |
| 23:26 | <poptix> | unless it's a special, then it might be a decent price =/ |
| 23:27 | <Ripp> | how much of it did you get back? I co'd cvs (MC only) not too long before it went down. |
| 23:27 | <Chutt> | i've got local checkouts of everything |
| 23:27 | <Chutt> | i might not have the most recent mythweather, but moegreen's got that |
| 23:28 | <Chutt> | i've got 3/4 of the cvsroot for MC |
| 23:28 | <Chutt> | so all that's really lost is change history |
| 23:28 | <Chutt> | and people's user accounts |
| 23:29 | <Chutt> | hmm |
| 23:31 | <Chutt> | just wish i had a spare drive |
| 23:34 | <Chutt> | actually, i have all the old release versions of the other modules, too |
| 23:34 | <Chutt> | so i can check those in as tagged versions and have _some_ change history |
| 23:34 | <Chutt> | ah well |
| 23:36 | <bline> | afternoon |
| 23:36 | <Chutt> | howdy |
| 23:37 | <bline> | playing with lirccd tonight, pretty neat |
| 23:39 | <Chutt> | what all does it do? |
| 23:40 | <bline> | He's made his own little programming language and made that the config for the daemon |
| 23:40 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 23:41 | <bline> | mainly this allows you finer control and the ability to maintain state |
| 23:41 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 23:42 | <Chutt> | i'd really like someone to take over that keybindings patch that was abandoned and fix it up |
| 23:42 | <Chutt> | then the lirc stuff could get integrated better into mythtv |
| 23:42 | <bline> | though I don't know why he didn't use something that already exists like lua |
| 23:43 | <bline> | I guess that would be the better way to go, but I surly don't mind writting the config in a mini-language |
| 23:43 | <bline> | but I would guess most people would |
| 23:45 | <bline> | btw, I left mythtv running all day, and those "Audio buffer overflow" happened again, I have no timestamp so I'm not sure how long they took to show up |
| 23:46 | <bline> | But I think it had something to do with me sshing in and compiling things |
| 23:46 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 23:46 | <Chutt> | that could do it |
| 23:46 | <Chutt> | it's generally indicating that you've dropped a couple frames |
| 23:46 | <bline> | ahh, that's nice to know |
| 23:47 | <Chutt> | unless it's happening _constantly_ |
| 23:47 | <bline> | I added line numbers to the output so I could see where in NuppelVideoPlayer.cpp it was happening |
| 23:47 | <Chutt> | then it means something else is wrong, but just occasional ones aren't all that bad |
| 23:47 | <bline> | I only drop frams _a lot_ when I run with the commercial flagging on |
| 23:48 | <bline> | seems I'm the only one with this problem though heh |
| 23:48 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 23:48 | <Chutt> | it shouldn't be any more cpu using than without it on |
| 23:48 | <bline> | maybe I'll overclock my cpu a bit, see if it helps |
| 23:49 | <bline> | well, I know the frames dropping usually happens when it starts switching to or from a commercial |
| 23:49 | <Chutt> | i wonder if i should just give in and use sf for cvs |
| 23:49 | <bline> | it's what made me think to turn the flagging off |
| 23:50 | <bline> | I imagine alex would let you use his server for cvs if you needed it |
| 23:50 | <Chutt> | i like to have control over the box |
| 23:50 | <bline> | we keep backups nightly, and I'm about to start on software for incrmental backups |
| 23:50 | <Chutt> | especially since i need to give out accounts for people to have write access |
| 23:51 | <bline> | sf gives you this level of control? |
| 23:51 | <Chutt> | well, they've got that |
| 23:51 | <Chutt> | but, you don't get direct access to the cvsroot |
| 23:51 | <Chutt> | so if something messes up and leaves a stale lock, you're screwed until one of their admins feels like fixing it |
| 23:51 | <bline> | which can be a pain if you need to move directories around |
| 23:52 | <Chutt> | and that too =) |
| 23:52 | <bline> | god I can't wait till they finish subversion |
| 23:52 | <poptix> | i wouldn't rely on sourceforge's CVS servers right now |
| 23:52 | <poptix> | it's been shit lately |
| 23:52 | <Chutt> | and there's that as well |
| 23:52 | <Chutt> | it's been hard for anon users to access sf cvs stuff recently |
| 23:53 | <poptix> | while [ 1 ]; do cvs -z3 update -dP; done |
| 23:53 | <Chutt> | so i guess i should just keep running it myself |
| 23:53 | <poptix> | it eventually works |
| 23:54 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 23:55 | <Chutt> | hmm |
| 23:55 | <Chutt> | i should just run cvs on this laptop =) |
| 23:55 | <Chutt> | all i use it for is IRC and random web browsing |
| 23:55 | <bline> | you are on a static ip? |
| 23:55 | <poptix> | now we can kill your more expensive laptop hard drive |
| 23:56 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 23:56 | <Chutt> | poptix, it's still under warranty |
| 23:56 | <Chutt> | another year, yet |
| 23:57 | <poptix> | so it'll die in 1 year+1 day |
| 23:57 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 23:57 | <poptix> | they have expiration chips |
| 23:57 | <poptix> | like the newer print cartridges in printers |
| 23:57 | <Chutt> | actually, this laptop drive makes funky noises occasionally |
| 23:58 | <poptix> | it's all a government conspiracy to prop up the economy |
| 23:58 | <Chutt> | ibm already refused to replace it until it died completely |
| 23:58 | <Chutt> | which is why i just use it for irc, really |
| 23:58 | <poptix> | Chutt: you should back it up, then run bonnie 24/7 until it dies |
| 23:58 | <bline> | find someone at ibm that uses mythtv ;) |
| 23:58 | <poptix> | IBM has replaced 3 deskstars for me so far |
| 23:58 | <TheAsp> | hahaha |
| 23:59 | <poptix> | i went from a 40G to a 60G, then to an 80G drive |
| 23:59 | <poptix> | still have ~6 months left on the warranty |
| 23:59 | <Chutt> | poptix, i ran their stresstester for 3 days straight |
| 23:59 | <Chutt> | didn't do anything, other than make random noises occasionally |
