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00:25<FryGuy>still can't get it working :(
00:26<FryGuy>i did it wrong i think though
00:26<FryGuy>Reading /home/fryguy/.mplayer/codecs.conf: can't open '/home/fryguy/.mplayer/codecs.conf': No such file or directory
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00:39<poptix>Chutt: you run debian don't you?
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00:42<FryGuy>debian has problems with ~/ i think
00:43<poptix>FryGuy: are you running debian?
00:43<FryGuy>i said yes
00:43<poptix>you != Chutt =p
00:43<poptix>what version of Qt do you have installed?
00:43<FryGuy>i didn't see that :p
00:44<poptix>like, 3.0.x
00:45<FryGuy>i don't know
00:46<FryGuy>how do i find out?
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00:48<FryGuy>This is Qt version 3.0.3, the cross-platform C++ GUI toolkit.
00:50<FryGuy>Reading config file /home/fryguy/.mplayer/mencoder: No such file or directory
00:50<FryGuy>that's the error i'm getting now :\
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01:01<devnu11>'lo people
01:06<FryGuy>man i feel stupid :(
01:07<FryGuy>i can't get mencoder worker
01:08<devnu11>i am in the market to get a better video card for my mythtv box, the tv-out on the voodoo3 is just ass, so what would you people reccomend?
01:09<FryGuy>i'm getting an geforce2
01:09<FryGuy>i'll tell you how it looks in a few days :)
01:10<devnu11>support for tv-out on nvidia cards seems to be very hit-or-miss, with no way of telling until you actually buy the card and put it in, so im trying to find something with a better success rate :)
01:10<devnu11>so far it looks as if the s3 chipset cards do very well
01:10<FryGuy>uh oh
01:10<devnu11>and they are cheap
01:10<FryGuy>that's not good :(
01:11<devnu11>i think ill go ahead and lay out the $12 for a s3 savage and see how it does
01:12<FryGuy>my coworker is getting a sis6326 where I work i think
01:12<devnu11>have you looked at the docs for hte nvtv package to see how your card stacks up?
01:13<devnu11>holy crap mythmusic takes forever to catalog 10+ gigs of mp3s hehe
01:13<FryGuy>everything i've seen says geforce2 mx's are usable by nvtv
01:14<devnu11>ok, cool
01:14<devnu11>i think that at the very least it will work with teh closed source xserver, you just cant tweak it much
01:14<FryGuy>as long as it has tvout :)
01:23<FryGuy>anyways back to my problem :)
01:24<FryGuy>i can't find anything in the documentation about anything special to install mplayer and have mencoder work
01:24<poptix>got mythtv working on my knoppix setup
01:24<poptix>this is good
01:24<poptix>means I can just drop a CD in and have a frontend
01:26<FryGuy>i'm such a dumbass
01:26<FryGuy>i was using the wrong command line thing
01:26<FryGuy>i hit up arrow and didn't go back far enough in history
01:27<devnu11>ive already got all hte recording stuff setup cuz ive been using webvcrplus for several months
01:28<devnu11>is there a reason the tv picture wouldnt display on the "alternate" epg? (displays fullscreen fine)
01:28<devnu11>all i get is a black box
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04:21<FryGuy>anybody awake?
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07:08<poptix>xinerama support = broken
07:10<poptix>that's weird
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07:44<WizFactor>Anyone else running latest CVS with the addon modules? Last night everything was working fine, but this morning I rebuilt with the latest CVS (only 1 commit difference between last night and today) and now mythtv and mythvideo are the only 2 I can get to run.
07:44<WizFactor>mythweather, games, music and gallery all do nothing
07:44<choenig>is there any error while starting?
07:45<choenig>did you rebuild mythweather and stuff after building mythtv?
07:46<WizFactor>usually don't have to rebuild...but I forgot about the library version change yesterday.
07:46<WizFactor>guess I hadn't run them after that update
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10:34<sGeek>is there any place I might the keyboard shortcuts for myth?
10:34<sGeek>sweet, thanks!
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10:50<Captain_Murdoch>Chutt: what's your opinion on possibly replacing some or all of the current CC code? I've been looking into whether there's any way I can use the vbi data for commercial detection and noticed the tvtime vbi stuff is way more advanced and was contemplating seeing if I could replace cc.cpp with tvtime's vbidata.cpp if I could use it for the commercial stuff.
10:52<Chutt>they're actually fairly equivalent
10:52<Chutt>unless tvtime's changed massively recently
10:53<Captain_Murdoch>looks like tvtime handles a bunch more of the codes and supports xds data as well.
10:55<Chutt>that stuff was just taken out of the cc.cpp stuff
10:55<Captain_Murdoch>unless the tvtime stuff is overly complex, maybe I haven't compared them enough yet.
10:55<Chutt>feel free to look into switching to use it, though
10:55<Captain_Murdoch>maybe I can just add back in needed code if there's anything I can benefit from to detect comms.
10:56<Captain_Murdoch>it's just something I have been thinking about and looked into a little. no ideas yet, I don't know enough about the vbi data to even know what I could use right now, but it's been suggested by several people so I figured I'd look into it some.
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11:18<Chutt>knight, so, ever do more with the music stuff for mythweb?
11:20<hfb>Chutt: Yesterday I spoke of an error I'm getting while trying to run mode2with my home brew serial ir receiver. So far I have been sucessful in getting it to work in 3 computers easily.
11:20<Chutt>that's cool
11:21<hfb>Chutt: But just not the important one. :(
11:24<hfb>Chutt: mode2 dumps "This program is only intended for receivers supporting the pulse/space layer. Note that this is no error, but this program makes no sense of your receiver."
11:25<Chutt>i've never built one..
11:25<hfb>Chutt: It's going to be something stupid.
11:26<Captain_Murdoch>hfb: is serial in the kernel or using a module? if in kernel, did you run setserial to tell the serial driver to release the com port before loading the lirc module?
11:27<hfb>Captain_Murdoch: In this case it is in the kernel. I also used "setserial /dev/ttyS0 uart none"
11:28<hfb>Captain_Murdoch: I don't think I tried using a module on this machine. I did on my notebook though.
11:31<hfb>Captain_Murdoch: So have you seen that before?
11:31<Captain_Murdoch>not much else I can think of. the 3 I've used have worked fine.
11:31<Captain_Murdoch>I think i've seen that message before but thought it was just crossed or backwards wires or something
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11:33<hfb>Captain_Murdoch: So far I've built two and they both work fine with 3 machines when using the serial driver built in to the kernel. I don't remember if I tried building the serial driver as a module on this machine. I've tried way too many things.
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11:34<hfb>Captain_Murdoch: I will try it though. Can't hurt.
11:35<Captain_Murdoch>I don't think you need the serial module itself, but you can recompile and just try not loading it I guess.
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13:14<Universe>afternoon here...
13:27<Universe>well... the v4l2 patch doesn't appear to work for the gentoo kernel source... I am going to try the vanilla source.
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13:29<inman>it works on vanilla, but someone mentioned that you may not need to patch the pfeifer-sources
13:29<inman>those should be linux+gentoo+vl2
13:29<Chutt>why patch the kernel for v4l2?
13:31<mdz>why run gentoo?
13:31<mdz>some things just are
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13:35<Universe>I thought I heard someone say that cvs required v4l2.. I guess I heard wrong?
13:36<bline>you heard wrong
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13:38<Universe>ok... well... I will give up on v4l2 then
13:38<bline>sounds like a plan
13:39<thor_>I'm sure -dev is the right place for that
13:41<Universe>mdz... Do you have something against Gentoo? I went to install Debian this time around but with a testing netcd, it couldn't find my nic..
13:42<Chutt>the testing install cds don't work.
13:45<thor_>If I need a programmatic redraw, anything more clever than repaint();
13:47<Chutt>update will i think merge multiple calls and stuff as well
13:47<thor_>repaint seemed a little heavy handed
13:53<bline>anyone ever pickup the keymap code?
13:57<thor_>keymap code?
13:58<bline>editable keymappings stored in the database. It was on -dev a few days ago
14:17<mdz>Universe: if you want to install Debian, install stable. Unreleased branches don't generally have a working installer (especially not now, when it's in the midst of being rewritten)
14:32<Universe>mdz, so I should use a stable netinstall cd?
14:32<mdz>Universe: or an official CD
14:48<FryGuy>is there a net install version of redhat 8?
14:49<FryGuy>this 802.11b card has binary only drivers for redhat only
14:49<FryGuy>and I couldn't find any real download link on their website other than the 5cd iso set
14:50<bline>afaik kernel modules arn't dist specific but kernel/gcc specific..
14:51<FryGuy>meh well that's going to suck
14:52<FryGuy>because I need to recompile the kernel for some other drivers
14:52<FryGuy>that was the problem though.. redhat had a 2.4.19-4 kernel and they put the -4 at the end so the slackware box couldn't use those drivers
14:53<FryGuy>i even tried putting 4 in the EXTRAVERSION part and it still didn't work
14:54<bline>I would just extract the .o files from whatever format they distribute them in and manually copy them into the /lib/modules/<version> directory
14:55<bline>then depmod -a and see if they fly
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15:36<poptix>Chang: do you use the Xinerama support in mythtv?
15:42<poptix>mythfrontend detects two xinerama displays
15:42<poptix>and always says it's going to use the first one
15:43<poptix>regardless of the settings
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17:16<Chutt>> 200k lines of code in cvs now
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17:19<LeandroD>do you speak italian?
17:20<thor_>my father's second wife is Italian ... ciao is about my limit
17:20<LeandroD>better than nothing...
17:26<mdz>Chutt: wc -l lines or sloccount lines?
17:27<Chutt>wc -l
17:27<Chutt>not including moc files, of course
17:28<thor_>you want me to leave more blanks around my comments?
17:30<thor_>if moegreen's around (or anyone else) a one liner on drop shadow thinking in themes?
17:32<Chutt>one liner?
17:33<thor_>one line description of what there for
17:33<thor_>just to make sure I understand
17:34<thor_>it's background colout yes, nothing more ?
17:34<moegreen>Drop shadowing is set in the font, but when you draw the text you have to use the drop variable in the fontProp
17:35<thor_>ok ... sorry ... I'm confused ... is this for what TeX would call interlineskip?
17:36<moegreen>?? It's an added effect, there is a different color text drawn below it (usually black)
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17:37<thor_>ahhhh .... ok .... I had it commeted out in a bunch of things I pasted over from your stuff ... uncommenting it left me slightly baffled ... thanks
17:37<sGeek>I've just recompiled myth from cvs and I'm trying to run setup. When I go I get: error while loading shared libraries: I've tried making a symlink to where the file actually exists but that doesn't work.
17:37<moegreen>it's not supposed to be blatent
17:38<thor_>hey, I'm pretty easy to baffle
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17:39<moegreen>heh, but yeah - if you don't add the code to draw it, it won't change anything :)
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17:44<sGeek>any ideas?
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18:17* yebyenconsiders building a mini-itx mythbox
18:25<LeandroD>I am playing with my Hauppauge Nova CI card (cheap dvb satellite card), but before trying Ben Bucksch patch I'd like to see something in linux... card is already configured by linux but I can't find a way to extract the dvb stream and play, maybe with mplayer... any help?
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18:42<sGeek>ok the exists in /usr/local/libs/libmyth/ is myth looking for it somewhere esle?
18:54<sGeek>ok I deserved to ignored for not following instructions :)
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19:44<Universe>man... I personally dont like the idea of a P2P network to share shows for myth
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20:51<rkulagow>huh. lesson learned: do not delete a program on one frontend that's been paused on another one.
20:53<rkulagow>nope; the paused frontend, when unpaused, immediately showed the "you are done watching. do you want to delete" i said no, but it was gone anyway.
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21:05<TheAsp>rkulagow: hmm, ive been wondering how that was working...
21:05<TheAsp>maybe my locking stuff will stop that from happening
21:07<TheAsp>if i can get it working...
21:50<thor_>are we really sure anyone wants MMusic themed?
21:50<devnu11>are there any plans for a future web browsing module?
21:51<Chutt>thor, getting tired of it?
21:52<thor_>so much slogging for every step (library, xmlparsing, base widgets, graphics, ui.xml file, application code)
21:53<Chutt>end result should be worth it, though =)
21:53<thor_>that's the spirit
21:53<thor_>anyway ... it's coming ... something useful tonight/tomorrow
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21:54<kslater>are you guys up to helping a user solve a mystery?
21:55<thor_>just need to call Biff and Chet
21:56<thor_>klsater, that was a joke
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21:58<kslater>I know you guys are up to your necks in code and don't need to answer questions.
21:58<kslater>(I've been a developer for the last 15 years..)
21:59<thor_>just ask ...
21:59<kslater>ok. symptoms, large files (12.7g for 1 hr Enterprise from tonight),
21:59<kslater>skipping in the picture, low cpu usage,
21:59<thor_>RTJPEG with noisy cable
22:00<kslater>Sat dish
22:00<kslater>pretty clean signal
22:00<thor_>which codec
22:00<kslater>RTJPEG at 352 x 480, q 160, mp3 7
22:00<kslater>tons of disk activity
22:00<thor_>0.8 or CVS?
22:00<kslater>cvs from 3 nights back
22:01<Chutt>rtjpeg size is _really_ dependent on the quality of the signal
22:01<Chutt>and that code hasn't changed in ages
22:01<thor_>yeah ... bit of wandering wavy noise can really crank up the file size
22:01<kslater>lots of this message during playback - skipping to next trigger: xxxxxx
22:01<Chutt>if you want more control over file size, you have to use mpeg4
22:02<thor_>unless you're really CPU constrained, mpeg4 is much better
22:02<poptix>Chutt: do you use the xinerama support in mythtv?
22:02<kslater>I need a proc with more grunt. I'm using an EPIA M9000. Funny thing is, I was doing just fine as short as last week.
22:02<Chutt>poptix, nope
22:02<poptix>Chutt: know anyone who does?
22:03<poptix>it seems to ignore the xinerama screen in setup =)
22:03<thor_>poptix, what was that thing about methane gas last night?
22:03<poptix>thor_: the breeding of cows for human consumption is dangerously raising the levels of methane gas in the atmosphere
22:03<Chutt>kslater, if it's changed recently, it's gotta be a signal quality issue
22:04<thor_>yes ... I understand ... but why here?
22:04<Chutt>but, my m10000 works really nicely with this pvr-250 =)
22:04<thor_>Chutt, someone send you that too?
22:04<Chutt>the m10000, yeah
22:04<poptix>thor_: iirc, it was an off the wall comment to indicate the complete lack of on-topic-ness of the question someone had asked.
22:04<kslater>file sizes pretty large though?
22:04<thor_>poptix, ahhhhh (lightbulb)
22:04<poptix>Chutt: i'll take a look at the xinerama code
22:04<Chutt>poptix, thanks
22:05<thor_>Chutt, can they send one to mdz?
22:05<Chutt>so, 4 gb/hour
22:05* poptixgot his GF4 MX to do twinview
22:05<poptix>TV @ 800x600, monitor at 1280x1024
22:05<poptix>except the TV is #1, because that's where myth pops up
22:05<Chutt>full-sized video takes a max of 80% cpu to decode
22:05<poptix>having dialog boxes pop up on #1 is.. interesting.
22:05<devnu11>anyone using an s3 savage? i ordered one up after getting frustrated with the crappy tv-out on my voodoo3
22:06<kslater>too bad via won't give us a decode driver
22:06<Chutt>kslater, they're working on one
22:06<poptix>devnu11: GeForce 4 MX's are cheap, why not just get one of them?
22:06<kslater>who is, via or Alan C?
22:06<devnu11>i was gonna, but the s3 support looks pretty good, and it was only $12 :P
22:07<poptix>devnu11: good luck =)
22:07<kslater>trancoding could help on the file sizes? Would it work with MPEG2?
22:07<devnu11>just curious if anyone else was using one, and wanted to hear about results
22:07<devnu11>if it doesnt work, then ill go for the gf4
22:07<poptix>devnu11: you can search for info on tv-out on the savage cards on
22:07<Chutt>"I will need to send you the Mpeg2 drivers as they are kernel specific."
22:08<devnu11>theres a util called s3switch that seems to be similar to nvtv
22:08<Chutt>i'll have to get back to him and ask about those sometime
22:08<poptix>devnu11: i've heard a few people say it works great, others saying it won't work at all -- it seems to depend on the clue of the user (or lack thereof)
22:08<Chutt>i told him i'd email once i got the machine completely running
22:08<poptix>Chutt: ie, 'they're precompiled binary modules, and we need to compile a special set for you'
22:08<thor_>Chutt, anything not running?
22:08<devnu11>well i got my voodoo3 to display a picture, which was damn near impossible in itself, so i do consider myself somewhat above hte level of a newb :P
22:08<kslater>boy, there are lots of EPIA M9k and M10k people that would kill for MPEG2 decode from hardware
22:08<Chutt>power supply fan
22:09<Chutt>too loud
22:09<Chutt>getting a replacement tomorrow, hopefully that'll fix things up
22:09<thor_>weird ass PS size, or is it "standard"
22:09<Chutt>40mm fan
22:09<devnu11>i think a web browsing module would be handy too
22:09<Chutt>devnu11, send a patch to
22:09<devnu11>most of you use a remote control, or do you prefer a wireless keyboard/mouse?
22:10<thor_>rc in the living room
22:10<poptix>i haven't bothered to setup a remote control yet
22:10<poptix>i lost all the IR cables for my TV cards, along with the remotes
22:10<devnu11>i was in comp usa the other day, and they had this really cool wireless keyboard with pointer stick thingie in it from ibm, i just had to have it. man it rocks, its so perfect for a set-top box
22:11<kslater>I'm liking my IR keyboard from NewEgg
22:11<Chutt>i don't really see why the mpeg2 decoder's all that important
22:12<Chutt>especially with nehemiah chips
22:12<kslater>do you think they'll do that much better than Ezra?
22:12<thor_>you're obviously clueless
22:12<Chutt>kslater, this is decoding dvd-sized video with plenty of cpu to spare
22:12<devnu11>mpeg2 is like old school. takes up too much disk space heh
22:12<Chutt>sure, it'll be easier if it's done in hardware
22:12<kslater>that's why I asked about transcoding of mpeg2
22:13<Chutt>disk's cheap
22:13<devnu11>what we need is hardware mpeg4 support :)
22:13<kslater>for livetv, mpeg2 + software decode, file size doesn't matter
22:13<kslater>for storing shows (which I'm doing a lot of with 5 other people in the house), size matters somewhat.
22:14<thor_>disk's cheap ... but now that you have a PVR-x50 ... still cheap enough?
22:14<Chutt>4 gb/hour
22:14<poptix>it depends on what you're willing to deal with
22:14<Chutt>i really don't need that much storage space
22:14<devnu11>i like the 500meg/hour for decent divx heh
22:14<Chutt>500 meg an hour is unwatchable.
22:14<poptix>high end machine dedicated to encoding, making a lot of noise
22:14<poptix>(and making a lot of heat)
22:15<poptix>or cheap disk space
22:15<devnu11>really, picture is awesome here
22:15<kslater>I need a balance. I can buy more disk, but I do need some quality.
22:15<kslater>maybe I'll do a EPIA M10k + the PVR-250
22:15<kslater>(I'll have to sell off some stuff to swing it though)
22:16<devnu11>i can watch the recordings full screen on my pc and its at least as good as a decent vhs recording
22:16<thor_>Chutt, via made any suggestions about pre-canned myth-boxen yet?
22:16<Chutt>not really
22:16<thor_>they will
22:16<thor_>I'll bet
22:16<Chutt>long time back they mentioned they were exploring a linux-based pvr
22:17<thor_>you talking to guys in CA, or overseas?
22:17<Chutt>but that was before i told em i didn't do software development for free
22:17<Chutt>or for hardware =)
22:17<Chutt>thor, i haven't emailed the guy in about a month
22:17<kslater>Chutt - how's your audio working? Any crackling? If not what driver are you using?
22:18<Chutt>and we really didn't exchange all that many emails
22:18<kslater>(EPIA that is)
22:18<Chutt>audio's fine with the kernel driver
22:18<devnu11>whats the slowest cpu any of you are working with?
22:18<Chutt>oss implies the for-pay stuff
22:18<kslater>kernel is the driver that Alan worked on in 2.4.20-ac2?
22:19<Chutt>it's in 2.4.21-rc1
22:20<Chutt>but, yes
22:20<thor_>Chutt, while we're yacking ... two points of curiosity ... how many people with CVS write access, and what editor do you use?
22:20<Chutt>devnu11, i've got a epia-m nehemia 1ghz and a p3-550 that are about equivalent in speed
22:20<kslater>For some reason, I thought that mythtv only liked alsa, but I don't know why I thought that
22:21<Chutt>alsa's recommended because it supports full-duplex with more cards
22:21<devnu11>i recycled my old tbird 850 desktop. using webvcrplus now to record divx at about 50% cpu
22:21<Chutt>thor, including me, 7
22:21<Chutt>well, 8 once i add back chuck
22:21<Chutt>(the guy that did mythgame0
22:21<thor_>hmmm .... I had guessed 6 not bad
22:22<Chutt>that's down 3 or 4 from before
22:22<Chutt>not going to give access to the people that stopped contributing
22:22<devnu11>if i could code in anything other than php and perl, i would help out :)
22:22<thor_>good size ... always know who's code I'm stepping on
22:23<thor_>php --> mythweb --> lots to do there
22:23<Chutt>mythweb and mythvideo could use someone looking after them
22:23<devnu11>heh, yeah, i fired that sucker up and was slightly naseated by the colors :P
22:24<devnu11>but it works, so i cant complain
22:24<thor_>Chutt ... you know I was planning to get back to MythWeb as soon as I finished LCD stuff in MMusic
22:24<kslater>that's right, my 10 year old can do (and does) mythweb
22:24<Chutt>got kind of distracted?
22:24<thor_>that was a few revs ago ... damn MMusic
22:25<thor_>damn playlists w/ in playlists with threading loading structures and interfaces that can be themed
22:25<thor_>ahhhhh .... calm as a Hindu cow
22:25<thor_>back to work
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22:42<poptix>util.cpp, line 206
22:42<poptix> if( screen_nr > 0 && screen_nr < nr_xinerama_screens ) {
22:42<poptix>shouldn't that be
22:42<poptix> if( screen_nr > 0 && screen_nr <= nr_xinerama_screens ) {
22:42<poptix>er, =<
22:42<poptix>either way, you get the point.
22:42<poptix>nr_xinerama_screens is the # of screens it found
22:43<poptix>that appears to be the problem.
22:44* poptixtries it and submits a patch
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22:58<kslater>Chutt - just took a look with xawtv, wavy input from coax feed, clean from rca inputs. Maybe I inadvertantly switched from Composite1 to Television for recording? Where is that set?
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23:00<Kuwanger>Is there any way to force rerecording a show?
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23:01<kslater>what does that mean? force rerecord?
23:01<Kuwanger>Normally, if a show is detected as being recorded some time in the past, it cancels recording the show again.
23:02<thor_>Kuwanger, you know SQL?
23:02<kslater>didn't realize that.
23:02<Kuwanger>The problem is, among other things, that the detection doesn't always work properly (sometimes the description of a show does change for a two parter) or sometimes you might want to record the show again.
23:02<Kuwanger>thor_: Not really.
23:02<Kuwanger>thor_: And yes, I know, I can delete the entry from the sql table so mythtv doesn't think it's recorded the show already.
23:03<Kuwanger>thor_: But, that's a horrid hack.
23:03<thor_>ah ... well that was my suggestion
23:04<kslater>so you'd want to have 2 copies of the same show recorded at different times?
23:04<Kuwanger>Uh, if my HD had infinite space and I actually kept all previous shows on said HD, yes.
23:05<Kuwanger>Realistically, no. The show in question seems to be not showing in exactly sequential order, so some of the shows are repeating, but some of them are good shows I wouldn't necessarily mind watching again.
23:07<kslater>I know that Isaac has said he doesn't want any more recording options, but I think it might be in order
23:08* Kuwangerthinks it might be in order too..
23:09<kslater>thor do you know how transcoding is supposed to work / be used?
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23:37<FryGuy>does anyone know if it's possible to combine the IR sender/receiver circuits into one connecter if you only have 1 serial port?
23:42<Ripp>FryGuy: I think I saw a transciever circuit somewhere on
23:42<FryGuy>i found that thread about a guy that said he made one
23:43<thor_>kslater, I haven't played with transcoding
23:43<FryGuy>but he didn't post schematic or get it to work
23:43<FryGuy>i'm trying to find more
23:46<Ripp>I imagine though if you simply combined the power side of the circuits they should work, one on the tx side the other on the rx side
23:46<FryGuy>that's what my dad says
23:46<FryGuy>he's the one making the circuit :p
23:47<Ripp>don't know how lirc would see it though
23:47* Rippdoesn't know squat about lirc other than his wintv remote :(
23:54<bigguy>"Oh I forgot something in my subject let me resend the same email to the list again to correct that"
23:55<bigguy>of course that's not the first time it's been done on this list
23:57<poptix>Desmond Rivet, right?
23:57<poptix>as in, 'someone used a rivet gun on my brain and now there's nothing left'
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