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| 00:02 | <orangey> | hey guys! |
| 00:02 | <orangey> | anyone here use mythmkmovie? |
| 00:02 | <FryGuy> | i used it once |
| 00:02 | <orangey> | FryGuy: successfully? |
| 00:03 | <FryGuy> | the things it produces are broken though |
| 00:03 | <FryGuy> | like blue stuff all over the place |
| 00:03 | <orangey> | broken how? |
| 00:03 | <orangey> | did you have to use a patched mplayer? |
| 00:03 | <FryGuy> | are you the maker? |
| 00:03 | <orangey> | FryGuy: no |
| 00:03 | <orangey> | : ) |
| 00:03 | <FryGuy> | yes I do |
| 00:03 | <FryGuy> | mythplayer works |
| 00:03 | <FryGuy> | er |
| 00:03 | <FryGuy> | mplayer |
| 00:04 | <orangey> | OK.. just wondering if that was a prerequisite. |
| 00:04 | <FryGuy> | i think it is |
| 00:04 | <orangey> | I'm pretty sure my mplayer is patched.. |
| 00:04 | <FryGuy> | i had to rewrite the patch though |
| 00:04 | <FryGuy> | change the directory |
| 00:04 | <FryGuy> | can mplayer play the .nuv files? |
| 00:05 | <orangey> | it could when I last checked, though admittedly that was a while ago.. it's possible mandrake has since overwritten it.. |
| 00:05 | <orangey> | moment. |
| 00:07 | <orangey> | ok, looks like it was indeed overwritten |
| 00:09 | <orangey> | did you apply to the patch to the old-ass version? |
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| 00:12 | <FryGuy> | no I got the one from mplayer.something |
| 00:12 | <FryGuy> | the foreign site |
| 00:13 | <orangey> | ok.. I think I'll stick to the version in the documentation.. |
| 00:18 | <orangey> | hmmm. |
| 00:18 | <orangey> | OK, so mplayer works. |
| 00:18 | <orangey> | but mkmovie still doesn't |
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| 00:42 | <Chutt> | mdz, hi |
| 00:42 | <mdz_> | hi |
| 00:42 | <Chutt> | i think the guy's just dumb |
| 00:42 | <Chutt> | if you look at the comments he added |
| 00:43 | <Chutt> | like // Was there a problem? |
| 00:43 | <mdz_> | I just got to his second message |
| 00:43 | <mdz_> | this bit about 1000TB is crap |
| 00:43 | <Chutt> | and the next line down is 'perror("ERROR: file I/O problem")' |
| 00:43 | <mdz_> | heh |
| 00:44 | <Chutt> | thing is, it doesn't make is simpler |
| 00:44 | <Chutt> | it makes it more complex |
| 00:44 | <mdz_> | I do think that a subclass or something might be in order |
| 00:44 | <mdz_> | but this guy doesn't seem like he's going to be much help |
| 00:44 | <Chutt> | because you've got that magic file size in there for normal files |
| 00:44 | <Chutt> | having the different cases makes it explicit |
| 00:44 | <Chutt> | yeah, breaking it up into two different classes with a base class would be ok |
| 00:45 | <Chutt> | but they'd share a lot of code |
| 00:45 | <mdz_> | heh |
| 00:45 | <Chutt> | and, this stuff works right |
| 00:45 | <mdz_> | he changed a few things that, by his own admission, he did not understand |
| 00:45 | <Chutt> | there's absolutely no reason to futz with it, unless there's a problem |
| 00:45 | <orangey> | I do think, though, that his "energy" can be harnessed if one is a little more gentle.. |
| 00:45 | <Chutt> | 'circular file' |
| 00:45 | <Chutt> | like, look at the name of the class for what it's called |
| 00:45 | <orangey> | I think MDZ did a good job of setting criteria that are concrete. |
| 00:46 | <mdz_> | that was before I realized he was a twit |
| 00:46 | <Chutt> | what, you don't think me saying things like 'inane comments' is productive? :p |
| 00:46 | <orangey> | mdz: Still, it's more likely to make him productive. |
| 00:46 | <orangey> | Chutt: hehehe : ) |
| 00:46 | <orangey> | Chutt: The guy could be a newbie |
| 00:46 | <Chutt> | he can code, apparently |
| 00:47 | <orangey> | Chutt: He's obviously got a bit of heart.. why not focus him on specifics.. |
| 00:47 | <mdz_> | if he is, he should be asking more questions |
| 00:47 | <Chutt> | just needs to figure out _what_ to code |
| 00:47 | <orangey> | like "god, this class is a mess. why don't you work on that?".. then "fix" his code when he returns something.. |
| 00:47 | <orangey> | maybe the reason he's having such trouble is that he's tackling mythtv instead of a portion therein |
| 00:47 | <Chutt> | i really don't like stuff that i have to fix in order to apply it |
| 00:48 | <orangey> | it's an investment |
| 00:48 | <Chutt> | and i especially don't like stuff that doesn't _do_ anything |
| 00:48 | <orangey> | today you're teaching him, tomorrow he's working. |
| 00:48 | <orangey> | (on his own) |
| 00:48 | <Chutt> | i shouldn't have to :p |
| 00:48 | <orangey> | hehehe. |
| 00:49 | <orangey> | ideally.. |
| 00:49 | <orangey> | anyway, all I'm saying is that the guy would have to be very counter-productive to be stonewalled in his attempts to help |
| 00:52 | <Chutt> | mdz, there's a semi working vp3 decoder in libavcodec |
| 00:52 | <Chutt> | now =) |
| 00:53 | <Chutt> | and, apparently, a working svq3 decoder (ie, all those quicktime movie trailers) |
| 00:53 | <mdz_> | yeah, I saw that on the theora-dev list a while back |
| 00:53 | <mdz_> | the guy was asking decent questions |
| 00:53 | <mdz_> | is svq3 the 'sorenson' codec? |
| 00:53 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 00:53 | <mdz_> | nice, there's a ton of content using that |
| 00:53 | <orangey> | mmmm. sorenson. |
| 00:54 | <orangey> | I thought the reason it wasn't linux-ated was because of license issues, though, not technical. |
| 00:54 | <Chutt> | there wasn't ever code for it |
| 00:54 | <orangey> | is it a very complex codec? or was it just not worked on? |
| 00:55 | <Chutt> | i dunno |
| 00:55 | <orangey> | mdz: would you like an mplayer patch modified for the latest mplayer? |
| 00:55 | <Chutt> | the vq3/lavc guy just committed stuff to make non-keyframes work |
| 00:55 | <orangey> | truth be told, all I did was take out the "rc5" |
| 00:55 | <Chutt> | so, coming along |
| 00:56 | <Chutt> | though it apparently crashes like 30 seconds in due to memory issues =) |
| 00:57 | <Chutt> | i'm just hoping he gets to an encoder sometime |
| 00:57 | <Chutt> | would be nice =) |
| 00:57 | <Chutt> | could distribute actual patent free (at least video/audio) binaries |
| 01:00 | <Chutt> | mdz, heh, i said the same thing |
| 01:01 | <Chutt> | 7 minutes before you did :p |
| 01:01 | <mdz_> | damn you |
| 01:01 | <mdz_> | I'm too busy playing ur-quan masters |
| 01:02 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 01:02 | <Chutt> | star control |
| 01:02 | <orangey> | Chutt: A quick question before I head out.. Recently, mythfrontend has failed in transitioning from none to livetv/watchprerecorded about 1 / 3 times.. This isn't creating a segfault, though, though it totally jams up mythfrontend (apparently waiting for something?), and requires mfe to be killed at command line.. how can I produce some useful bug report? |
| 01:03 | <Chutt> | it's fairly similar to a segfault |
| 01:03 | <Chutt> | just recompile for debugging |
| 01:03 | <Chutt> | run mythfrontend in gdb |
| 01:03 | <orangey> | Chutt: so when I BT, it'll give the useful information, even if it was killed? |
| 01:03 | <Chutt> | when it hangs, switch to the term that's running gdb |
| 01:03 | <Chutt> | hit ctl-c |
| 01:03 | <Chutt> | then do the backtrace stuff |
| 01:03 | <orangey> | OK, great.. |
| 01:05 | <Chutt> | make sure nothing's using /dev/dsp or whatever your output device is, though |
| 01:05 | <Chutt> | that's the biggest reason for it to freeze when starting to playback |
| 01:06 | <orangey> | I thought it dropped to prompt when that happened.. |
| 01:07 | <Chutt> | not always |
| 01:07 | <Chutt> | _current_ cvs should be better about it |
| 01:07 | <Chutt> | like, as of last night |
| 01:07 | <orangey> | OK.. I will install and check it out. |
| 01:07 | <mdz_> | orangey: for bonus points, submit a patch for the HOWTO explaining the procedure |
| 01:07 | <orangey> | mdz: the bt'ing procedure? |
| 01:07 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 01:07 | <Chutt> | for the freeze |
| 01:08 | <Chutt> | debugging |
| 01:08 | <mdz_> | yeah |
| 01:08 | <Chutt> | should be pretty small |
| 01:08 | <mdz_> | I think there's a bit there about getting a backtrace for a segfault |
| 01:08 | <Chutt> | the howto has better segfault instructions now =) |
| 01:08 | <mdz_> | but not interrupting it to get a backtrace |
| 01:09 | <orangey> | mdz: will do as soon as I have a few : ) |
| 01:09 | <Chutt> | i need to email VIA and ask about cpu temps for the nehemiah |
| 01:11 | <Chutt> | i don't think 85c is good. |
| 01:14 | <mdz_> | eek |
| 01:17 | <Chutt> | but |
| 01:17 | <Chutt> | the temp thing is in the cpu |
| 01:18 | <Chutt> | so that's actual temperature, not measured outside |
| 01:18 | <Chutt> | and that's after being loaded 100% for a half hour or so |
| 01:18 | <Chutt> | and, lm_sensors could be reporting it wrong =) |
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| 01:46 | <Viddy> | heh |
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| 02:30 | <[mbm]> | anyone playing around with the serial port on the dct2000 cableboxes? |
| 02:30 | <orangey> | mbm!!!! |
| 02:30 | <orangey> | mbm: Who makes it? |
| 02:30 | <[mbm]> | motorola/gi |
| 02:31 | <orangey> | mbm: I think there's a script floating on the myth lists somewhere.. moment.. |
| 02:33 | <orangey> | what are you wondering about specifically, mbm? |
| 02:33 | <[mbm]> | if anyone was working on implementing it in mythtv |
| 02:34 | <WarrenCanuck> | i owuld guess changing channels useing a serial cable |
| 02:34 | <[mbm]> | correct |
| 02:34 | <orangey> | hehehe : ) |
| 02:34 | <WarrenCanuck> | :) |
| 02:34 | <WarrenCanuck> | one of the motorola digital cable boxen? |
| 02:34 | * [mbm] | figured out the protocol a week ago, thought maybe you guys could use it |
| 02:34 | <[mbm]> | WarrenCanuck: yep |
| 02:35 | <WarrenCanuck> | that would def be useful |
| 02:35 | <WarrenCanuck> | you hsoul rip it apart and figure out how to tap a raw mpeg2 stream form it ;) |
| 02:35 | <WarrenCanuck> | i'm sure if you post the specs someone would implement it |
| 02:35 | <WarrenCanuck> | but since you can run commands to change channels you could also write a standalone app |
| 02:36 | <[mbm]> | that'sthe thing, I don't want to go to all the trouble of finding the dev list, registering etc. was hoping to just catch someone on irc |
| 02:36 | <orangey> | mbm: I don't have personal experience with it, but: |
| 02:36 | <orangey> | the discussion of it indicates two things: 1) There is some work on it. |
| 02:36 | <orangey> | and 2) the Tivo knows how to control it. |
| 02:36 | <[mbm]> | where's the discussion? |
| 02:36 | <WarrenCanuck> | mbm: throw it up on a website and post the link in here |
| 02:37 | <orangey> | mbm: on the dev list, sadly. |
| 02:37 | <[mbm]> | got a url or something? |
| 02:37 | <WarrenCanuck> | lol http://www.redcoat.net/pics/LEGO_RAVE.jpg |
| 02:37 | <orangey> | mbm: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/perl/mailarc/gforum.cgi?post=58594;search_string=dct;guest=457187&t=search_engine#58594 |
| 02:37 | <orangey> | mbm: You can always capture from your tivo : ) |
| 02:38 | <[mbm]> | you're bright.. how do you think I figured the protocol out? :) |
| 02:38 | <WarrenCanuck> | how does a dump from a palm pilot sync help? |
| 02:38 | <orangey> | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/perl/mailarc/gforum.cgi?post=47119;search_string=dct;guest=457187&t=search_engine#47119 |
| 02:38 | <orangey> | mbm: That thread seems to indicate that scripts exist.. |
| 02:38 | <WarrenCanuck> | no it doesn't orangy |
| 02:38 | <WarrenCanuck> | at least not that i can discern |
| 02:39 | <orangey> | oh.. it's lirc based: |
| 02:39 | <orangey> | I've set up the proper scripts and verified |
| 02:39 | <orangey> | > >> that they work correctly outside of MythTV. |
| 02:39 | <WarrenCanuck> | yeah :\ |
| 02:39 | <orangey> | I've got an Actisys IR-200L & Motorola DCT2000 setup working |
| 02:39 | <orangey> | > >> stand alone under RedHat 8 |
| 02:39 | <WarrenCanuck> | irblaster |
| 02:39 | <orangey> | doh. sorry |
| 02:39 | <WarrenCanuck> | heh |
| 02:39 | <WarrenCanuck> | hehe |
| 02:39 | <WarrenCanuck> | np |
| 02:39 | <WarrenCanuck> | mbm: you should throw the specs on some webspace somewhere |
| 02:40 | <[mbm]> | maybe, that's also work |
| 02:40 | <WarrenCanuck> | lol |
| 02:40 | <WarrenCanuck> | email them to me then |
| 02:41 | <[mbm]> | how about I just start rambling on here and someone can take an irc log? |
| 02:43 | <[mbm]> | basic format is |
| 02:43 | <[mbm]> | [start code][size][data][crc][end code] |
| 02:43 | <[mbm]> | where start is 0x10 0x70 or 0x10 0x78 (2 bytes) |
| 02:44 | <[mbm]> | size is another 2 bytes for the size of the data segment |
| 02:44 | <[mbm]> | crc is another 2 bytes |
| 02:44 | <[mbm]> | and end code is 0x10 0x03 |
| 02:44 | <orangey> | what's left to figure out? |
| 02:45 | <[mbm]> | ... 0x10 is a control code |
| 02:45 | <[mbm]> | orangey: q&a is at the end ;) |
| 02:45 | <orangey> | [mbm]: hehehe : ) |
| 02:46 | <[mbm]> | if 0x10 appears as part of the data then it's written as 0x10 0x10 |
| 02:46 | <[mbm]> | (the 0x10 0x10 only being one byte in terms of the size field) |
| 02:48 | <[mbm]> | the data field is further broken up into [seq][id][cmd][...] |
| 02:48 | <[mbm]> | sequence is one byte |
| 02:49 | <[mbm]> | id is one byte, 0x40 or 0x04 |
| 02:49 | <[mbm]> | (0x04 for sending to the dct, 0x40 in the responses from the dct) |
| 02:50 | <[mbm]> | and the command field is one byte |
| 02:50 | <[mbm]> | ... |
| 02:50 | <[mbm]> | sequence isn't too hard to figure out |
| 02:51 | <[mbm]> | it's one byte with the high nibble being used for new packets and the low nible used for responses |
| 02:51 | <[mbm]> | (think hex, one byte has two digits called nibbles) |
| 02:52 | <[mbm]> | if the seq was at 0x00 and you wanted to send a new packet then you send seq 0x10 |
| 02:52 | <[mbm]> | the response will come back with the high bit set and the lower nible incremented |
| 02:53 | <[mbm]> | so 0x11|0x80 (aka 0x91) |
| 02:53 | <[mbm]> | ... |
| 02:54 | <[mbm]> | (resposes in the above being simple acknowlegements, size is 2, just large enough for seq and id |
| 02:54 | <[mbm]> | ) |
| 02:55 | <[mbm]> | as for the command field, it's used to specify the type of the packet |
| 02:55 | <[mbm]> | 0x22 is used to simulate keystrokes |
| 02:56 | <[mbm]> | the byte following 0x22 is the key you want to send |
| 02:56 | <[mbm]> | cmd=0x20 is channel status, any time the dct changes channels you'll get one of these packets |
| 02:57 | <[mbm]> | two bytes following the 0x20 are a word representing channel number |
| 02:57 | <[mbm]> | then a byte for analog/digital |
| 02:58 | <[mbm]> | ... |
| 02:58 | <[mbm]> | ugh this is tedious |
| 02:58 | <[mbm]> | I'll stop there and someone can bug me about the details later |
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| 02:59 | <[mbm]> | sofar the only packets I've seen used have cmd=0x00,0x22 or 0x20 |
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| 02:59 | <[mbm]> | but that leaves alot open for other possible commands |
| 03:02 | <[mbm]> | the abridged version is basically this: <handshake><ack from dct>(done once per session) <keystroke><ack from dct> <channel status from dct><ack> |
| 03:04 | <[mbm]> | (now orangey can bug me with all his questions) |
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| 03:04 | <orangey> | what I'm wondering, basically, is what's left.. it seems like you're 90% there, to be conservative with my guess (I think more) |
| 03:05 | <orangey> | have you checked out how this sort of communications is done with DTV receivers? |
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| 03:05 | <[mbm]> | I know the protocol enough that I could change the channal and detect what the result was |
| 03:05 | <[mbm]> | what I don't know is what else the protocol allows |
| 03:06 | <[mbm]> | the dct cablebox is slow as shit and having to specify a channel entirely from keystrokes is tedious |
| 03:06 | <[mbm]> | as the dct will pause to display each digit on the screen for a second |
| 03:07 | <orangey> | aah. |
| 03:07 | <[mbm]> | (made worse by the fact that after changing the channel it will display a banner with the show name for atleast 3 seconds) |
| 03:07 | <orangey> | well, the directv code has channel changes |
| 03:07 | <orangey> | where you pass a channel command, then the channel strings all together. |
| 03:08 | <[mbm]> | it's more like "5"<ack> "0"<ack> "1"<ack> <channel change packet> |
| 03:08 | <orangey> | http://tarek.2y.net/myth/sony.pl for the implementation I use on my system. |
| 03:08 | <[mbm]> | you can't specify a channel in one packet as far as I can tell |
| 03:08 | <orangey> | ever, or with the dct? |
| 03:08 | * [mbm] | really doesn't give a damn about the way dtv does it |
| 03:09 | <orangey> | well, consider that the same companies are probably making these receivers for various media |
| 03:09 | <[mbm]> | umm no |
| 03:09 | <orangey> | so understanding how it's done in one medium will likely translate. |
| 03:09 | <[mbm]> | protocol motorola uses on the dct has nothing to do with how the dtv works |
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| 03:10 | <[mbm]> | it's just some quirky motorola protocol |
| 03:11 | <orangey> | check out this output from a dtv receiver in a serial communication: |
| 03:11 | <orangey> | SEND: 0xFA [ú] 0x45 [E] 0x0 [] 0x0 [] 0xCE [Î] |
| 03:11 | <orangey> | RECV: 0xF0[START PKT] 0xF2[GOT EXTENDED] 0xF4[END PKT] |
| 03:11 | <[mbm]> | i told you before I really don't give a damn about the dtv protocol |
| 03:11 | <orangey> | that's sending the keystroke "1" |
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| 03:12 | <orangey> | alright.. but I think you miss opportunities that way.. because as far as I can tell, it's relatively similar to what you described in principle |
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| 11:37 | <Telpar> | Hiya! |
| 11:37 | <Telpar> | Awesome. |
| 11:37 | -!- | Telpar is now known as Sembiance |
| 11:37 | <Sembiance> | I'm working on building a MythTV system. |
| 11:37 | <Sembiance> | I'm starting out with the 'display unit' |
| 11:37 | <Sembiance> | Something that is going to be quiet, silent actually, and just pull an MPEG stream off it's 10/100 nic interface and display it using s-video/composite tv-out |
| 11:42 | <Sembiance> | I wish the 'remote wonder' worked in linux :( |
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| 11:57 | <Sembiance> | pretty quiet :( |
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| 12:28 | <Sembiance> | Anyone around at all? |
| 12:29 | <Sembiance> | I have some questions. |
| 12:41 | <WizFactor> | We all idle a lot here. Ask your question, and be patient, and someone will usually answer it eventually. |
| 12:45 | <Sembiance> | Okay, I'm building a system. |
| 12:45 | <Sembiance> | I'm going with a 'two' computer approach |
| 12:45 | <Sembiance> | I'll have a big server with multiple tuner cards and a big CPU sitting in the closet, being all noisy |
| 12:45 | <Sembiance> | just recording away, writing video file after video file to the hard drive |
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| 12:45 | <Sembiance> | then I'm gonna have a tiny little SILENT PC next to my TV |
| 12:46 | <Sembiance> | it will get it's video stream via 10/100 ethernet |
| 12:46 | <Sembiance> | from the big box in the cloest |
| 12:46 | <Sembiance> | err closet |
| 12:46 | <Sembiance> | I'm workingon building the silent PC right now, putting together what components I'll need |
| 12:46 | <Sembiance> | Already got a motherboard, case, etc. |
| 12:46 | <Sembiance> | I was just wondering how much RAM this thing will need |
| 12:46 | <Sembiance> | I'd imagine I can easily get away with 256MB |
| 12:47 | <Sembiance> | it's just getting a video stream from the net and playing it |
| 12:47 | <Sembiance> | it shouldn't need too much RAM |
| 12:47 | <Sembiance> | Do any of you see any problems with this setup? |
| 12:48 | <Sembiance> | I can't think of any problems with doing it this way. |
| 12:48 | <WizFactor> | 256 should be more than enough... |
| 12:48 | <Sembiance> | I'd go to 128MB but I'm only gonna save $6 by doing that :) |
| 12:48 | <Tack> | I'm capturing video and looking at the scrolling ticker on CNN as a gauge. It's quite jerky, although when I view it with xawtv it's of course fine. It's not harddisk speed, because I'm writing to a RAM disk for testing purposes. I've also tried mencoder using various codecs and settings, including raw copy, and in all cases it's choppy. I've tried disabling audio to rule out sync issues -- still choppy. I have RTC at 1024Hz. Any suggestio |
| 12:48 | <Tack> | ns? |
| 12:50 | <WizFactor> | Sembiance: I'd guess 128 might be enough, but probably not worth it for $6 ;) |
| 12:50 | <Sembiance> | hehe |
| 12:50 | <Sembiance> | wizfactor: Are there any problems you see with my design? With the main box in the closet and just the 'display unit' being next to the TV? |
| 12:51 | <Sembiance> | Hard drive space I'm looking at |
| 12:51 | <Sembiance> | I'm thinking of going with an ultra-silent small linux install |
| 12:51 | <Sembiance> | and go with a flash hard drive adapter to use Flash RAM has a hard drive |
| 12:51 | <Sembiance> | say 256MB or so maybe. |
| 12:52 | <WizFactor> | Sounds like a great setup to me ;) |
| 12:52 | <Sembiance> | cool :) |
| 12:52 | <Sembiance> | I figured to start with the display unit and try testing it with just some mpeg files and what not |
| 12:52 | <Sembiance> | then I can start recording things later on other boxes when I get around to it ;) |
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| 21:16 | <billytwowilly> | is anyone working on dvd ripping for mythtv? I searched the email archives for "dvd ripping" and got a bunch of stuff that doesn't really apply. |
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| 21:49 | <bigguy> | billytwowilly: well the main developers aren't |
| 21:49 | <bigguy> | sorry for the late reply |
| 21:49 | <bigguy> | I just got back |
| 21:49 | <billytwowilly> | no prob. I'm happy I got any reply at all;) |
| 21:49 | <billytwowilly> | do you know if anyone is though? |
| 21:50 | <bigguy> | not that I know of |
| 21:50 | <billytwowilly> | I just picked up a dvdrom/48x cd burner that I'm going to put into my mythtv box once the mb arrives. |
| 21:50 | <bigguy> | why not just use DVD::Rip or whatever the best linux ripper is now |
| 21:50 | <billytwowilly> | and that would be a joygasmic feature;) |
| 21:50 | <billytwowilly> | yah, but that's a pain in the arse to use when It's hooked up to the tv.. I'd have to get a keyboard for it or something. |
| 21:51 | <bigguy> | well I know Isaac wouldn't put one in cvs |
| 21:51 | <billytwowilly> | oh well. I can't really complain. I don't know how to do it myself. |
| 21:51 | <billytwowilly> | why not? |
| 21:52 | <billytwowilly> | that would be a killer feature;) |
| 21:52 | <bigguy> | he said he would only allow it if it was a direct copy of the dvd and not a dvd->divx/xvid ripper |
| 21:53 | <billytwowilly> | but that's what would make it a killer feature.. |
| 21:53 | <billytwowilly> | what's the reasoning behind that? |
| 21:53 | <billytwowilly> | legalities? |
| 21:53 | <Chutt> | not really |
| 21:53 | <Chutt> | dvds are low enough quality already |
| 21:53 | <bigguy> | I use my xp box for dvd ripping. unless DVD::Rip has greatly improved in the past month or so windows still has more and better option |
| 21:54 | <bigguy> | +s |
| 21:54 | <Chutt> | and there's plenty of conversion tools available elsewhere |
| 21:54 | <Chutt> | seems to be a waste of effort |
| 21:54 | <billytwowilly> | ? dvd::rip blows anything I've encountered on windows away. it's literally 3 clicks, enter movie name and then wait a couple hours and it's done and done right. |
| 21:55 | <bigguy> | billytwowilly: The quality was very poor compared to what I get with gordianknot |
| 21:55 | <bigguy> | esp with the nth pass stuff thats in now |
| 21:56 | <billytwowilly> | really? I got amazing quality. I couldn't tell the difference between the dvd and the ripped divx movie. And all the problems I was having on windows with audio syncing were non-existant. |
| 21:56 | <bigguy> | I've ripped somewhere in the neighborhood of 350 movies |
| 21:56 | <bigguy> | if not more |
| 21:57 | <billytwowilly> | bigguy: I think your beef would be with the transcode people, not the dvd::rip people if the problem is quality anyway. |
| 21:57 | <billytwowilly> | I've ripped around 70 or so. |
| 21:57 | <bigguy> | well gordianknot uses virtualdub which I think is alot better anyway |
| 21:58 | <bigguy> | I did alot of rips using only transcode cause dvd::rip didn't have all the options I use |
| 21:58 | <bigguy> | but it's still not on par |
| 21:58 | <billytwowilly> | I couldn't argue on the merits of virtualdub and transcode, I can just comment on what I've seen and all the stuff I've ripped with transcode/dvd::rip has turned out vastly better than the stuff I did on windows. |
| 21:59 | <bigguy> | I always do a minimum of 2 cds with ac3 audio |
| 21:59 | <billytwowilly> | ahhh.. I do one cd with mp3 audio. |
| 22:00 | <bigguy> | I've done those as well |
| 22:00 | <bigguy> | back in the day ;) |
| 22:00 | <billytwowilly> | and I can't tell the difference from the dvd.. |
| 22:00 | <bigguy> | poor vision ;) |
| 22:00 | <billytwowilly> | possibly;) |
| 22:01 | <billytwowilly> | still, it would be cool to be able to throw in a dvd and rip it directly from mythtv. |
| 22:01 | <bigguy> | well you could always modify dvd::rip to suit your needs |
| 22:01 | <bigguy> | ;) |
| 22:02 | <billytwowilly> | yah.. I suppose.. of course that would mean I'd have to find somewhere in my 70 hour work week to learn perl.. |
| 22:02 | <bigguy> | heh |
| 22:02 | <billytwowilly> | darn non-existant coding skills;) |
| 22:02 | <bigguy> | you found time to irc ;) |
| 22:03 | <billytwowilly> | yah, for ten minutes while I'm writing an email to my girlfriend up north that I haven't seen in person since april 27... |
| 22:03 | <bigguy> | I haven't seen my girlfriend in .... |
| 22:03 | <bigguy> | oh wait I don't have one |
| 22:04 | <bigguy> | and I don't code either |
| 22:04 | <bigguy> | poor me |
| 22:04 | <billytwowilly> | how hard would it be to modify dvd::rip to be a part of mythtv? |
| 22:04 | <bigguy> | :) |
| 22:04 | <bigguy> | no idea |
| 22:04 | <bigguy> | I just know it's possible |
| 22:04 | <bigguy> | :) |
| 22:04 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 22:04 | <billytwowilly> | ahh, but no idea on how probable;) |
| 22:04 | <billytwowilly> | which usually means not probable;) |
| 22:04 | <Chutt> | craig longman wrote me a big long pissy email |
| 22:04 | <Chutt> | off list |
| 22:05 | <bigguy> | did he whine much? |
| 22:05 | <billytwowilly> | we should make him write a dvd::rip lookalike mythtv module.. he obviously has the time if he's writing long pissy emails;) |
| 22:07 | <billytwowilly> | Chutt: out of curiousity, what was the email regarding? |
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| 22:23 | <foom> | darn guess that explains why cvs isn't responding. ;P |
| 22:25 | <bigguy> | heh |
| 22:25 | <bigguy> | http://images.ucomics.com/comics/bo/2003/bo030511.gif |
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| 22:58 | <mykilx> | hello |
| 22:58 | <bigguy> | lo |
| 22:59 | <mykilx> | was curious if i can use mythtv with dishnetwork satellite system ? |
| 22:59 | <mykilx> | just found out about it today, looks great |
| 22:59 | <bigguy> | sure you can |
| 22:59 | <bigguy> | you still need a tv tuner card |
| 23:00 | <mykilx> | cool, i didn't find any info about what type of input you needed, wasn't sure if it only worked with cable |
| 23:00 | <mykilx> | so i couldn't use a card with video in, has to be a tuner card ? |
| 23:00 | <bigguy> | lots of people on the mailing list use it with dish and direc |
| 23:01 | <mykilx> | i'll prolly build a new box just for it |
| 23:01 | <mykilx> | i haven't gotten to the mailing lists yet lol |
| 23:01 | <bigguy> | right you need a card that's supported by either v4l or the ivtv stuff |
| 23:01 | <bigguy> | the ivtv stuff is a v4l2 interface for the haupage wintv PVR-250 and 350 |
| 23:02 | <mykilx> | i suppose different cards give different quality/results |
| 23:02 | <bigguy> | supports mpeg2 video/audio hardware encoding |
| 23:02 | <mykilx> | are the haupage cards the way to go ? |
| 23:02 | <bigguy> | if you have the money I would think so |
| 23:02 | <bigguy> | although the driver is still in development |
| 23:03 | <mykilx> | or something like the AIW radeons? |
| 23:03 | <bigguy> | AIW isn't supported |
| 23:03 | <mykilx> | i'll have to check out prices |
| 23:04 | <mykilx> | i've been wanting to get a tivo, or a replay, but this looks alot better, and alot more fun |
| 23:04 | <bigguy> | I think the PVR-x50's are in the 100-200 dollar range |
| 23:05 | <bigguy> | you can get a cheaper bttv card but it's quality will be less and you'll be recording in mpeg4/mp3 |
| 23:05 | <mykilx> | ATHLON XP 2500 "Barton" 128 bucks, they really came down in price from the last i looked |
| 23:05 | <bigguy> | yeah |
| 23:05 | <bigguy> | I wish I had some money to spend on a new box now |
| 23:05 | <mykilx> | yeah, if i build a new box, i don't wanna fsck around lol |
| 23:06 | <bigguy> | if I had the money I'd wait for the x86-64 machines |
| 23:06 | <bigguy> | try to get a 4way box |
| 23:07 | <foom> | last i checked quality of mpeg4 encoding was better than mpeg2 encoding |
| 23:07 | <mykilx> | you think it will be worht the $$ at this point in time ? |
| 23:07 | <foom> | only reason there's so much excitement about pvr250 is that it is practically free CPU-wise |
| 23:08 | <bigguy> | mykilx: I said if I had the money ;) |
| 23:08 | <mykilx> | lol |
| 23:08 | <mykilx> | ok i see yor point |
| 23:08 | <mykilx> | if only my damn lotto numbers would hit |
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| 23:38 | <Chutt> | foom, you the guy that started the alsa stuff? |
| 23:39 | <foom> | i am |
| 23:39 | <foom> | chutt: would you like a mirror of your CVS repository? |
| 23:39 | <foom> | i can host an rsync'd version of it if you want |
| 23:39 | <foom> | public access read-only |
| 23:40 | <Chutt> | quite possibly |
| 23:40 | <Chutt> | notice it was down just now or something? =) |
| 23:40 | <foom> | yes. :) |
| 23:40 | <Chutt> | foom, i _will_ apply that, i was just wondering why you wanted to add it |
| 23:40 | <Chutt> | my power was out for an hour and a half |
| 23:41 | <Chutt> | anon cvs is working now, right? |
| 23:41 | <foom> | yes |
| 23:42 | <Chutt> | probably should make sure that the machine came back to life properly |
| 23:42 | <foom> | a few reasons: The ALSA code is much simpler than the OSS code, linux is moving towards alsa so new features show up only in that, so it seems like a good idea to have support for, and also because I had problems getting the alsa OSS emu to work right |
| 23:42 | <Chutt> | well, linux is moving towards the alsa _drivers_ |
| 23:42 | <Chutt> | not the lib |
| 23:42 | <Chutt> | can you make things (eventually) optional? |
| 23:42 | <foom> | yes |
| 23:43 | <Chutt> | don't really want to add another dep |
| 23:43 | <foom> | it is fully optional except i don't know how to do the build process right |
| 23:43 | <Chutt> | i can work that out |
| 23:43 | <Chutt> | just add the proper ifdefs and stuff |
| 23:43 | <foom> | yeah |
| 23:43 | <foom> | it's just one file, i can put ifdefs around the whole thing |
| 23:43 | <Chutt> | well, i assume there's some config code to add to the settings stuff, too |
| 23:43 | <foom> | yeah i haven't worked out that part yet. ;) |
| 23:44 | <foom> | it would be nice if you could type into the config fields |
| 23:44 | <Chutt> | line edits? |
| 23:44 | <Chutt> | or you want a combo box |
| 23:44 | <Chutt> | that's editable |
| 23:44 | <Chutt> | have you looked at mythmusic's audio stuff yet? |
| 23:44 | <foom> | i don't know if i *need* it to be editable or not but it sure would be nice if edits saved |
| 23:44 | <foom> | i just started looking at it |
| 23:45 | <Chutt> | it would be kinda neat if the two shared the output class |
| 23:45 | <foom> | my first goal was to make it work exactly like it does now for OSS and also have ALSA output |
| 23:45 | <foom> | which is working now. :) |
| 23:46 | <foom> | so yeah, I'm looking at the mythmusic stuff now |
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| 23:46 | <Chutt> | excellent |
| 23:47 | <foom> | I think I should have a complete working output half patch done soon, except proper GUI config |
| 23:47 | <Chutt> | great |
| 23:47 | <foom> | should I work on that to get applied alone first? or keep doing the whole thing until it's all done? |
| 23:48 | <Chutt> | well |
| 23:48 | <Chutt> | it probably won't be able to be activated without the gui stuff, right? |
| 23:48 | <foom> | unless you poke the DB yourself |
| 23:48 | <Chutt> | so as long as it doesn't break anything, doesn't really matter |
| 23:48 | <foom> | do you know if i can test the reencode stuff? |
| 23:49 | <foom> | that's part of the disabled transcode support right? |
| 23:49 | <foom> | i mean I'm gonna put in code that's likely to work but I don't know how to test it. :) |
| 23:49 | <Chutt> | yeah, that's the transcode stuff |
| 23:49 | <Chutt> | looks like the author's awol, though |
| 23:49 | <Chutt> | or i pissed him off by disabling all that =) |
| 23:50 | <foom> | heh |
| 23:51 | <foom> | so yeah, if you want, I can mirror your cvs repo for you on a nice fat pipe so you don't have to waste your dsl upstream on random people updating all the time. :) |
| 23:51 | <Chutt> | i'll get back to you on that |
| 23:51 | <foom> | 'k |
| 23:51 | <Chutt> | but, i'll probably go for it |
| 23:51 | <Chutt> | i _may_ be getting some better hosting |
| 23:52 | <Chutt> | so if i do, i'll just stick the cvs server there |
| 23:52 | <foom> | right |
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| 23:54 | <foom> | oh yeah, one thing, I wasn't entirely sure from your message what the impact of the video_frame_rate in the OSS output code was |
| 23:55 | <foom> | as far as I know it doesn't matter how much data you wait to buffer before sending it to the soundcard |
| 23:55 | <foom> | but obviously someone thought that there was a reason to sync it to the framerate |
| 23:55 | <Chutt> | i think the idea was not to have too much data sitting in the soundcard buffers |
| 23:56 | <Chutt> | and i think it made the a/v sync code simpler |
| 23:56 | <foom> | I don't think it impacts it at all |
| 23:57 | <foom> | unless there's somethign I'm missing. :) |
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| 23:58 | <foom> | i guess maybe it's trying to calculate how much gets added to the buffer at once |
| 23:59 | <foom> | but that seems quite odd. Anyhow, my conclusion is that it serves no purpose and I'll hardcode it...it works for me, and from what you've said I still think that should be fine. |
