| 00:00 | <hachi> | do I want to start that up as twm &; mythfrontend, or the other way around? |
| 00:00 | <Chutt> | depends on how you want it to work if you exit mythfrontend |
| 00:01 | <bline> | i use .xinitrc, you put mythfrontend& then exec windowmangers |
| 00:01 | <hachi> | well, right now mythfrontend is losing focus at times, so I'm not to concerned about that yet |
| 00:01 | <Chutt> | of course it's losing focus, you don't have anything running to _give_ focus |
| 00:04 | <hachi> | yeah, but I appear to require the mouse to return the focus |
| 00:05 | <Captain_Murdoch> | making the CommDetect class is the first step in starting to try to get some form of scene change detection added. That should help cases where blank frame detection doesn't work. |
| 00:06 | <hachi> | even better, I have less than a clue about customizing twm, and my manpage appers to be pointing at blackbox for some reason |
| 00:07 | <Chutt> | there a bunch of example window manager setups in the docs |
| 00:07 | <nyquiljer> | hachi: just run fvwm2 with the configuration file provided, it should work then |
| 00:29 | <hachi> | any idea how to make it not ask me to place windows, you don't need to answer if you're gonna go look in docs, I'm already headed there now |
| 00:30 | <nyquiljer> | hachi: what window manager you talkinga bout? |
| 00:30 | <hachi> | fvwm2 |
| 00:30 | <nyquiljer> | that config file should have it all setup that way |
| 00:30 | <hachi> | it's working perfectly, except it asks me to place my video window |
| 00:31 | <nyquiljer> | the mythtv window? |
| 00:31 | <hachi> | no, the video overlay window |
| 00:32 | <nyquiljer> | that would be the mythtv window |
| 00:34 | <hachi> | I wasn't aware, I asumed the mythtv window would be the first window started up |
| 00:35 | <nyquiljer> | if you look in the fvwm2rc file |
| 00:35 | <nyquiljer> | you should see lines that have 'myth' in them. i forget the exact syntax cuz i dont have it right in front of me |
| 00:36 | <nyquiljer> | but basically you set different options for windows of different names. |
| 00:37 | <nyquiljer> | make sure 'mythtv' is in there. i do remember having to add something to that list myself |
| 00:37 | <hachi> | I have no such lines, where are you getting this from? |
| 00:37 | <nyquiljer> | in the .fvwm2rc file thats in the configfiles dir? |
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| 00:38 | <hachi> | I'm on debian, does this help? |
| 00:39 | <hachi> | am I supposed to be using the standard source for this file? |
| 00:39 | <nyquiljer> | mythtv PROVIDES the file |
| 00:40 | <nyquiljer> | its in the configfiles dir inside the mythtv source |
| 00:40 | <nyquiljer> | just copy that to your home dir |
| 00:40 | <hachi> | ahh, mythtv is giving me this, that's why I'm not following you |
| 00:40 | <nyquiljer> | (or the home dir of the user thats running mythtv) |
| 00:41 | <nyquiljer> | you'll have to rename it to just .fvwm2rc (or maybe even just .fvwmrc, i cant remember which) |
| 00:42 | <nyquiljer> | but then you should be good to go |
| 00:51 | <hachi> | I swear I'm gonna hurt myself with this |
| 00:52 | <nyquiljer> | so what now? you copied the file, and then what? |
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| 00:53 | <hachi> | same result, I'm gonna try and get blackbox happy with it |
| 00:53 | <nyquiljer> | what did you name the file? |
| 00:54 | <hachi> | I copied it into the system master |
| 00:54 | <hachi> | screw it, blackbox is working the best so far, I'm very happy |
| 00:55 | <nyquiljer> | well, whatever works. but really, windowmanagers should be the least of your problems |
| 00:57 | <hachi> | I asume there was something buried in the debian config tree doing it |
| 00:58 | <nyquiljer> | quite possibly |
| 01:06 | <hachi> | it's too bad aureal went under, I wish I had decent drivers for that card |
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| 01:36 | <hachi> | I broke my nvidia video card now, guess I'll go buy some ati thing tommorow |
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| 04:57 | <kiwi_uk> | Anyone: What is the best distro to use for Myth? If not the best, what is your favourite? |
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| 05:55 | <Viddy> | Chutt uses debian |
| 05:55 | <Viddy> | thats a pretty good recomendation |
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| 08:59 | <Chutt> | people that tell me what my software should be doing piss me off |
| 08:59 | <rkulagow_> | your software should be mowing my grass. =) |
| 09:00 | <Chutt> | i should be mowing my grass |
| 09:00 | <Chutt> | but it's too wet still |
| 09:00 | <rkulagow_> | your software should be fighting for my right to party. |
| 09:01 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 09:01 | <rkulagow_> | (ok, that's enough. must get coffee) |
| 09:02 | <rkulagow_> | is it the "info" thread that |
| 09:02 | <rkulagow_> | 's got you riled up? |
| 09:02 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 09:02 | <Chutt> | apparently it's too difficult for people to hit a button to show the osd |
| 09:03 | <rkulagow_> | ah. well, they've got the source, so it's not like they can't fork the tree or post a patch to the mailing list. i think the difference is they want _you_ to write the code. |
| 09:03 | <Chutt> | that's how it came across to me |
| 09:03 | <Chutt> | it'd be a one line mod, i think |
| 09:04 | <Chutt> | and wasting a config option on that would be, well, silly |
| 09:05 | <rkulagow_> | i didn't even realize something until captain_murdoch mentioned in yesterday in passing: compile on the main box, then NFS mount the directory and "make install" on the smaller boxes. my big box can compile mythtv and mythtv-debug (settings.pro changes) faster than either one of my frontends could do it on their own. |
| 09:05 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 09:06 | <Chutt> | yeah, that'll work as long as the chips are similar enough, you don't compile with excessive options, etc |
| 09:06 | <rkulagow_> | they're all intel-type boxes. |
| 09:08 | <rkulagow_> | i've been thinking that instead of all these people trying to put together a distribution, what they should do is get a reference hardware design that they like, then just create a mindi rescue iso and that's that. at least, that's what i would do. |
| 09:08 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 09:08 | <Chutt> | something easily customizeable for specific hardware should be relatively easy to do |
| 09:10 | <Chutt> | but like |
| 09:10 | <Chutt> | i really had this remote frontend going in the time it took to install debian and compile cvs |
| 09:10 | <Chutt> | wasn't exactly difficult =) |
| 09:10 | <rkulagow_> | right; use the disc to install, and the disc to re-install if necessary. put the video on a seperate partition so you can whack the main OS/whatever if you need to. it's how Cisco distributes their IPTV stuff. (except they've got a hidden partition) |
| 09:11 | <rkulagow_> | ah, but The World is Not Chutt. =) |
| 09:11 | <rkulagow_> | "Changing Stuff" - nice commit message. =) |
| 09:11 | <Chutt> | hehe |
| 09:12 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 09:12 | <Chutt> | bline commented on that last night |
| 09:12 | <Chutt> | i dunno, i doubt that fixed anything |
| 09:40 | <rkulagow_> | huh. when mythtv is started from an autologin .xinitrc/blackbox in the user directory, fonts are small/crappy. when mythtv is started from a terminal session after logging in through KDM/blackbox, fonts are nice and big and good looking. |
| 09:40 | <rkulagow_> | curious... got to dig around and see what's the difference... |
| 09:40 | <Chutt> | might be QTDIR not getting set |
| 09:41 | <Chutt> | or the right ~/.qt/ directory differences? |
| 09:41 | <Chutt> | like, the enableXft stuff might be missing |
| 09:43 | <rkulagow_> | i'll look. thanks for the pointers. |
| 09:43 | <rkulagow_> | nziarek, are you here? |
| 09:48 | <Chutt> | haven't seen him in a while :( |
| 09:49 | <rkulagow_> | yeah; i'm going to have to figure a way to create pdf docs from the sgml source that I've got. may have to bite the bullet and switch to docbook from linuxdoc. the .pdf that linuxdoc produces is garbage. |
| 09:51 | <hachi> | use POD? (I really can't say how good it is in comparison, I don't know docbok, etc.) |
| 09:58 | <rkulagow_> | wonder if there's going to be another flood of "my pvr-250" doesn't work based on the message from joseph caputo WRT office max. |
| 09:59 | <Chutt> | hehe |
| 09:59 | <rkulagow_> | whoops, shift the quote over a few words... |
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| 10:01 | <rkulagow_> | hrmm. exported QTDIR and PATH (with /usr/lib/qt3). fonts are still small when started from xinitrc. still poking... |
| 10:01 | <hachi> | rkulagow_: my pvr-250! (verb omitted intentionaly) |
| 10:04 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 10:04 | <Chutt> | the ivtv driver's gotten rather less stable recently |
| 10:07 | <hachi> | for tv out, do you people tend to use a card with one, or do you buy one of those... I think they are called "scan line converters" or something? |
| 10:07 | <Chutt> | thor, yo |
| 10:09 | <hachi> | I am quite sure I just asked a stupid question, excuse me while I remove that lobe of my brain |
| 10:09 | <Chutt> | people do both |
| 10:09 | <Chutt> | well, not at the same time, of course |
| 10:10 | <hachi> | heh |
| 10:10 | <Chutt> | some people like the quality of the tv out on their cards |
| 10:10 | <Chutt> | some don't, so they buy a converter thingie |
| 10:10 | <Chutt> | really depends on what video card you have |
| 10:11 | <hachi> | I have only one TV out card, a TNT classic, which of course doesn't work |
| 10:15 | <poptix> | hachi: go buy a cheap GF2 MX |
| 10:15 | <poptix> | they support twinview, so you can use the monitor as one desktop, and the TV as another |
| 10:15 | <poptix> | they work great for TV out |
| 10:16 | <hachi> | that's good to hear, I may just do that |
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| 10:21 | <poptix> | geforce4 will do the same thing |
| 10:21 | <poptix> | geforce3 will not do twinview |
| 10:21 | <hachi> | I may get an ATI as well, asuming the radeon drivers under X have Xv support |
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| 10:22 | <hachi> | the NVidia drivers are causing my captures to hiccup when it takes over the system for about 4 seconds during startup |
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| 10:34 | <hachi> | does matrox develop drivers with the xfree86 team or something? they appear to have the best support of all on linux |
| 10:34 | <Chutt> | recent matrox cards aren't well supported at all |
| 10:36 | <hachi> | wait, so XV is only supported out of the box on older matrox cards then? |
| 10:37 | <hachi> | for nvidia I have to use their special drivers that aren't playing nice, and the ati drivers aparently don't support Xv as far as I'm reading |
| 10:37 | <Chutt> | i've never had a problem with nvidia's drivers. |
| 10:37 | <hachi> | mine cause a 4-5 second block of the system bus, so my hauppauge card hiccups |
| 10:38 | <Chutt> | so don't close down X all the time |
| 10:41 | <hachi> | I don't, it just feels like I'm skirting around a real problem by doing this, oh well |
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| 10:57 | <kiwi_uk> | Viddy: Okay then, thanks. Chutt: Is Debian easy to setup/install? and do you know if it has drivers for the graphics on an EPIA M |
| 10:58 | <Chutt> | no one has drivers for graphics on the epia m |
| 10:58 | <Chutt> | it's in xfree cvs only. |
| 10:58 | <kiwi_uk> | poo |
| 10:58 | <kiwi_uk> | will the installer run okay/ |
| 10:58 | <Chutt> | what installer? |
| 11:00 | <kiwi_uk> | well, whatever you use to install it |
| 11:00 | <kiwi_uk> | i never used debian before |
| 11:01 | <Chutt> | not if you're expecting something to hold your hand through the install, no |
| 11:01 | <kiwi_uk> | Well I dont really need the hand holding, I can manage with instructions :) |
| 11:02 | <Chutt> | just use whatever distro you feel comfortable with |
| 11:03 | <kiwi_uk> | Well I would you see, but Redhat 9's installer wont work, and I cant make it work |
| 11:03 | <kiwi_uk> | Even the text mode one doesnt work. |
| 11:03 | <kiwi_uk> | Debian will be my last assualt, then Ill just use a monitor instead of the TV :) I dont really want to bring it out of the cabinet though. |
| 11:06 | <kiwi_uk> | Actually, I think Ill skip Debian and just use a monitor |
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| 11:15 | <hachi> | I'm liking mythtv on debian, mdz did a wonderful job on the packages once I found the glitch in them |
| 11:31 | <mdz> | hachi: glitch? |
| 11:32 | <hachi> | mdz, something in the installer passed an argument '--passwordbox' to something, which wasn't supported on my install of debian, hence why everything was dying |
| 11:32 | <mdz> | hachi: ahh, that's a bug in whiptail in unstable |
| 11:32 | <mdz> | hachi: nothing to do with my packages |
| 11:33 | <hachi> | ahh, well, I only meant it as a glitch |
| 11:33 | <mdz> | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=191579 |
| 11:33 | <mdz> | and the 98729432 bugs merged with it :-) |
| 11:33 | <hachi> | haha |
| 11:33 | <mdz> | looks like it's fixed now |
| 11:33 | <mdz> | 0.51.4-6 |
| 11:34 | <hachi> | in any case, I went and fixed passwords.dat or whatever myself and it worked perfectly after that |
| 11:34 | <hachi> | it only took 2 days for me to figure out that said file even existed, never saw that one before |
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| 11:37 | <mdz> | I actually ran into that bug myself installing bugzilla the other day |
| 11:37 | <mdz> | I didn't make the connection that you were on current unstable though |
| 11:38 | <mdz> | the symptoms with bugzilla were worse; it just looped asking the password question over and over |
| 11:40 | <hachi> | uploaded yesterday |
| 11:41 | <hachi> | and I was using a mirror, so it won't be on their for a few more hours yet |
| 11:42 | <hachi> | so I wan't crazy, it really never did ask me, that's such a comforting thought |
| 11:42 | <Chutt> | moegreen, hey, ya here? |
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| 12:00 | <mdz> | Chutt: how many people on mythtv-dev now? |
| 12:01 | <Chutt> | too many? |
| 12:01 | <mdz> | hachi: I use the stock nv driver in xfree86 and it works fine |
| 12:01 | <Chutt> | 817 |
| 12:01 | <mdz> | wow |
| 12:01 | <Chutt> | 824 on -users |
| 12:02 | <Chutt> | and 299 on -commits |
| 12:04 | <hachi> | mdz, must require a newer card, I'll try a geforce2 later today, it's currently running on a TNT2 |
| 12:04 | <moegreen> | Chutt: what's up? |
| 12:04 | <Chutt> | was wonderin how that http code was coming |
| 12:04 | <hachi> | mdz, thanks for that hint though |
| 12:05 | <Chutt> | just curious, that's all =) |
| 12:05 | <moegreen> | Chutt: I got it to get the html pages, though I haven't tried a jpg or png file yet. I haven't worked on it much though |
| 12:05 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 12:06 | <Chutt> | you're still in school, right? finals? =) |
| 12:07 | <moegreen> | I just finished up finals last week, it's been a fun last 23.5 credits - heh, just waiting on one last grade to come in before I can confirm I graduate :) |
| 12:08 | <Chutt> | heh, that's never fun |
| 12:14 | <mdz> | hachi: I'd expect it would work _better_ with older cards...it didn't work for you? |
| 12:15 | <mdz> | hachi: it lists "RIVA TNT2/TNT2 Pro, RIVA TNT2 Ultra, Vanta, Riva TNT2 M64, Aladdin TNT2" all as supported |
| 12:15 | <hachi> | no Xv extensions on the version I'm runnning for TNT2 Ultra |
| 12:16 | <hachi> | or I never found how to enable them, also possible |
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| 12:25 | <hachi> | it must not be there for TNT2s, cause Xv is active on my GF4 in my notebook |
| 12:25 | <mdz> | heh, Mr. GPG replied to me off-list |
| 12:26 | <Chutt> | oooh |
| 12:26 | <Chutt> | paste it paste it |
| 12:28 | <Chutt> | craig longman sent me a pissy email off list |
| 12:28 | <bigguy> | "Sorry I'm at work now so no gpg" WTF cares? |
| 12:28 | <mdz> | bigguy: that was annoying enough, tagged onto otherwise on-topic messages |
| 12:29 | <mdz> | but a whole message on the subject of his GPG signatures was too much |
| 12:29 | <mdz> | his reply didn't answer my question at all |
| 12:29 | <mdz> | he said essentially "I sent it to the list to let people know that nobody could impersonate me posting from work now" |
| 12:30 | <Chutt> | yes, because the list has massive problems with people impersonating other people |
| 12:31 | <bigguy> | well doesn't the listserv catch that stuff anyway? |
| 12:31 | <bigguy> | and wtf cares on a mailing list anyway? |
| 12:31 | <bigguy> | if it was some trusted list that very few people use it would be different |
| 12:32 | <mdz> | signing every email message that you send is ridiculous anyway |
| 12:32 | <mdz> | all it does is make that private key worthless, because you're obviously decrypting it all the time |
| 12:32 | * bigguy | replies to the list as if he was Isaac ;) |
| 12:33 | <bigguy> | I have never used pgp or gpg. I've never had a need for it |
| 12:34 | <mdz> | I guess working at a telco all day rots your brain |
| 12:34 | <mdz> | I use gpg every day. but I don't sign every email I send, nor do I announce to mailing lists my intention to sign future messages |
| 12:35 | <bigguy> | heh |
| 12:36 | * bigguy | lags again |
| 12:36 | <bigguy> | afk again |
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| 13:35 | <sGeek> | has anyone been able to create vcd's with the movies created by myth? |
| 13:36 | <Chutt> | try the mythmkmovie stuff? |
| 13:36 | <sGeek> | are there docs on this mythmkmovie? |
| 13:37 | <Chutt> | dunno, it's not part of mythtv |
| 13:37 | <Chutt> | distributed on the mailing list |
| 13:37 | <sGeek> | k, thanks for the info |
| 13:37 | <Chutt> | i imagine there's docs included in it |
| 13:49 | <bmorrison> | Chutt: when do you expect to see .9 released? |
| 13:49 | <Chutt> | sometime |
| 13:49 | <Chutt> | dunno |
| 13:49 | <Chutt> | want to get thor's mythmusic ui update in |
| 13:52 | <Chutt> | whenever that happens =) |
| 13:52 | <bmorrison> | :) |
| 13:52 | <bmorrison> | everything working in cvs right now? |
| 13:52 | <Chutt> | for the most part, yeah |
| 13:52 | <Chutt> | couple people are having some odd problems |
| 13:52 | <Chutt> | but everything's working great for me |
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| 14:17 | <bmorrison> | Chutt: cool.. i have some problem with manual record.. i wanted to get the new code and see if it works better |
| 14:17 | <Chutt> | i don't think manual record has changed any |
| 14:17 | <Chutt> | but apparently it'd crash if the transcoding stuff was semi-active |
| 14:26 | <bmorrison> | Chutt: i get a seg fault after a manual record has finished and i try to watch it |
| 14:26 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 14:26 | <Chutt> | well, if it still happens with current cvs |
| 14:26 | <Chutt> | follow the instructions in the docs for generating a backtrace |
| 14:26 | <Chutt> | and send it to the mailing list |
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| 16:00 | <hachi> | mdz: what about the TV out on an Nvidia card running the xfree drivers? |
| 16:01 | <hachi> | er, does it work? |
| 16:01 | <mdz> | hachi: that's what I'm using on my myth box |
| 16:01 | <hachi> | I didn't know you had it pumping to a TV for sure though, wanted to ask |
| 16:01 | <mdz> | yep |
| 16:01 | <mdz> | with nvtv |
| 16:02 | <hachi> | oooh, I wasn't aware of that package, more to read |
| 16:02 | <Chutt> | mdz, for enabling disabled programs |
| 16:02 | <Chutt> | think the best thing to do would be to just remove it from oldrecorded? |
| 16:03 | <mdz> | yeah, that's what I had planned |
| 16:03 | <mdz> | I think I might have even written it |
| 16:03 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 16:03 | <mdz> | it would be in my pre-cvs-broke working dir though, lemme look |
| 16:03 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 16:03 | <mdz> | either I imagined it or I lost it |
| 16:04 | <mdz> | I've also had several power outages lately |
| 16:04 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 16:04 | <mdz> | oh, I remember |
| 16:04 | <mdz> | I added the bit to scheduledrecording to forget the history |
| 16:04 | <mdz> | but then didn't get around to making viewscheduled call it |
| 16:04 | <Chutt> | ah |
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| 16:23 | <Chutt> | hmm |
| 16:23 | <Chutt> | need to decide how to handle > 6 items on a menu |
| 16:23 | <Chutt> | like, make a 'more' button |
| 16:23 | <Chutt> | or scroll the menu around |
| 16:23 | <Chutt> | or how |
| 16:24 | <Chutt> | though, hmm |
| 16:24 | <Chutt> | scrolling around might be a tad slowish |
| 16:24 | <mdz> | where do we need >6 items? |
| 16:24 | <Chutt> | for the main menu |
| 16:24 | <Chutt> | i want to move setup to there |
| 16:24 | <mdz> | tv, music, game, gallery, setup... |
| 16:24 | <hachi> | not that I have any right to suggest this, but shouldn't that be decided by the theme? |
| 16:24 | <mdz> | weather |
| 16:24 | <Chutt> | tv, music, pictures, games, weather, videos, setup |
| 16:24 | <mdz> | ah, video |
| 16:25 | <Chutt> | hachi, no, it needs to be automatic |
| 16:25 | <Chutt> | the theme has to specify enough room for 6 itmes |
| 16:25 | <Chutt> | items |
| 16:29 | <WizFactor> | Ok, I'm a little lost on saving a playlist in mythmusic. I've been fighting with this for a while, and cant' find any documentation on it... |
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| 16:30 | <Chutt> | you create a playlist |
| 16:30 | <Chutt> | by just selecting stuff |
| 16:30 | <Chutt> | right? |
| 16:30 | <Chutt> | then you go down to the current playlist item |
| 16:30 | <Chutt> | hit 'i' or space |
| 16:30 | <Chutt> | and it pops up a menu |
| 16:31 | <Chutt> | you can then enter a name (keyboard, or a cellphone like text entry with the number keys) and hit 'save as new playlist' |
| 16:31 | <Chutt> | or whatever it's called |
| 16:31 | <WizFactor> | "Save Back to Playlist Tree" ? |
| 16:32 | <WizFactor> | or "Copy to New Playlist"? |
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| 16:32 | <Chutt> | copy to new playlist |
| 16:33 | <WizFactor> | Ok... it's working now. For some reason before, that was creating an empty playlist. |
| 16:38 | <Chutt> | weird |
| 16:39 | <hachi> | thanks for this thing called mythtv, I'm hoping it will become an addiction (not to watch, but to play with instead) |
| 16:40 | <WizFactor> | One more question. Do you think a 333 is fast enough to use as a frontend only? |
| 16:43 | <Chutt> | couldn't tell ya |
| 16:45 | <hachi> | hey, with the new 2.5 kernel design you'll be able to support multiple frontends on the same box, or do you support that already? |
| 16:45 | <WizFactor> | Ok...thanks anyways. And thanks a ton for myth ;) After only a week, I couldn't live without it. |
| 16:46 | <Chutt> | why would that require 2.5? |
| 16:47 | <hachi> | I guess it wouldn't, unless you wanted to control everything from keyboards |
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| 17:05 | <LeandroD> | hi |
| 17:05 | <Chutt> | hey |
| 17:13 | <LeandroD> | ohi |
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| 18:58 | <gsfgf> | i caidentaly defined two video cards. How do i delete one? |
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| 19:01 | <LeandroD> | reissue setup and start again from zero |
| 19:02 | <rkulagow__> | hrmm. fucked up setting caused a SEGFAULT. added a backend, but made its card the first one. however, i'm using DHCP, and the IP address changed on me and I didn't know it, so in setup i had the old address. |
| 19:03 | <rkulagow__> | started mythbackend, saw the slave get added, but when i hit "watch TV", the master segfaulted and so did the slave. here's the master: |
| 19:03 | <rkulagow__> | 2003-05-13 17:57:12 Slave backend: bedroom has left the building |
| 19:03 | <rkulagow__> | Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. |
| 19:03 | <rkulagow__> | [Switching to Thread 131081 (LWP 10855)] |
| 19:03 | <rkulagow__> | 0x407071b4 in QSocketDevice::socket() const () |
| 19:03 | <rkulagow__> | from /usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 |
| 19:03 | <rkulagow__> | Current language: auto; currently c |
| 19:03 | <rkulagow__> | (gdb) thread apply all bt full |
| 19:03 | <rkulagow__> | Thread 32 (Thread 491551 (LWP 19562)): |
| 19:03 | <rkulagow__> | #0 0x40b1c346 in nanosleep () from /lib/i686/libc.so.6 |
| 19:03 | <rkulagow__> | No symbol table info available. |
| 19:03 | <rkulagow__> | #1 0x00000000 in ?? () |
| 19:03 | <rkulagow__> | No symbol table info available. |
| 19:03 | <rkulagow__> | Thread 10 (Thread 131081 (LWP 10855)): |
| 19:03 | <rkulagow__> | #0 0x407071b4 in QSocketDevice::socket() const () |
| 19:03 | <rkulagow__> | from /usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 |
| 19:03 | <rkulagow__> | No symbol table info available. |
| 19:03 | <rkulagow__> | #1 0x4070718e in QSocketDevice::isValid() const () |
| 19:03 | <rkulagow__> | from /usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 |
| 19:03 | <rkulagow__> | No symbol table info available. |
| 19:03 | <rkulagow__> | Cannot access memory at address 0x1c |
| 19:03 | <rkulagow__> | (gdb) |
| 19:04 | <rkulagow__> | the slave ended up saying, "unknown encoder" |
| 19:04 | <rkulagow__> | then segfaulted. |
| 19:04 | <rkulagow__> | not sure this is something worth checking for in the code. (ie, the actual IP being different than the user entered one) |
| 19:04 | <gsfgf> | mind if i post a long(ish error) |
| 19:05 | <gsfgf> | gsfgf@gentoo mythtv $ mythfilldatabase |
| 19:05 | <gsfgf> | DB Error (loading channel sources): |
| 19:05 | <gsfgf> | Query was: |
| 19:05 | <gsfgf> | SELECT sourceid,name,xmltvgrabber,userid FROM videosource ORDER BY sourceid; |
| 19:05 | <gsfgf> | Driver error was [2/-1]: |
| 19:05 | <gsfgf> | QMYSQL3: Unable to execute query |
| 19:05 | <gsfgf> | Database error was: |
| 19:05 | <gsfgf> | Unknown column 'userid' in 'field list' |
| 19:05 | <gsfgf> | gsfgf@gentoo mythtv $ |
| 19:05 | <rkulagow__> | did you run mysql < database/cvs.sql ? |
| 19:06 | <rkulagow__> | (if this is CVS) |
| 19:07 | <gsfgf> | yea |
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| 19:10 | <gsfgf> | oops, forgot the -f. it's going now |
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| 20:11 | <bline> | is it worth picking up a pvr-250? |
| 20:11 | <Chutt> | not yet |
| 20:12 | <bline> | okie |
| 20:12 | <mbrian> | d |
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| 21:08 | <gsfgf> | when i run mythfilldatabase, it keeps going infinatly. it says XMLTV is double checking or something. should i just Ctrl+C or ehat? |
| 21:09 | <Chutt> | i hight doubt that |
| 21:09 | <Chutt> | you're not paying attention to the dates. |
| 21:10 | <mykilx> | so is mythtv going to be on the screen savers tomarrow? |
| 21:10 | <Chutt> | news to me |
| 21:11 | <Chutt> | looks like they're doing freevo :p |
| 21:12 | <mykilx> | I'm pretty sure it's tomarrow, Patric Norton is going to show "A linux software that is similar to tivo" |
| 21:12 | <mykilx> | doh! |
| 21:12 | <mykilx> | freevo? |
| 21:12 | <Chutt> | yeah, i like how people assume freevo's actually a pvr and stuff |
| 21:12 | <mykilx> | inferior i assume lol |
| 21:12 | <Chutt> | oh well |
| 21:12 | <mykilx> | never even heard of it |
| 21:13 | <Captain_Murdoch> | similar ~ sounds-the-same |
| 21:13 | <Chutt> | it gets more attention than mythtv because of the name |
| 21:13 | <Chutt> | =) |
| 21:13 | <mykilx> | makes since |
| 21:13 | <mykilx> | sence |
| 21:13 | <Captain_Murdoch> | sense |
| 21:13 | <Captain_Murdoch> | cents |
| 21:13 | <mykilx> | yeah one of those lol |
| 21:16 | <Chutt> | fixing bugs in patches is fun. |
| 21:17 | <Captain_Murdoch> | have an initial scene change detection function working using histograms. seems pretty accurate on a test show I'm using. now need to work in how to take advantage of it to help flag commercials. |
| 21:17 | <Chutt> | did you ever check stuff in? |
| 21:17 | <Captain_Murdoch> | not the code to write blank frames to the db while recording. was going to do that tonight. this won't hold that up. |
| 21:18 | <Captain_Murdoch> | looks like my 6-7 shows that recorded today did OK so I'm happy and ready to commit. |
| 21:18 | <Chutt> | cool |
| 21:18 | <Captain_Murdoch> | this is running the new class-ified commercial_skip.cpp as well. |
| 21:19 | <Chutt> | ok |
| 21:19 | <mykilx> | how long have you guys been coding ? (all together, not just mythtv) |
| 21:20 | <Chutt> | a very, very long time |
| 21:20 | <Chutt> | so who's going to email the screensavers guys and ask em how they overlooked mythtv? :p |
| 21:21 | <Captain_Murdoch> | since 87 or so. C64 basic. :) |
| 21:21 | <mykilx> | I'm just starting out. I can print a line, and name variables and such in python lol. |
| 21:21 | <mykilx> | call'm up!! |
| 21:21 | <Captain_Murdoch> | Chutt: just make a comment about that on the -users list and see how quickly they get inundated with emails. |
| 21:21 | <mykilx> | that sux, i was getting excited about seeing mythtv on the show |
| 21:21 | <Chutt> | naw, i wouldn't do that |
| 21:22 | <mykilx> | well why not lol |
| 21:22 | <Chutt> | captain_murdoch, i'm going to be merging in the dvb junk |
| 21:23 | <Chutt> | so, if you can commit sooner rather than later =) |
| 21:23 | <Chutt> | i don't want to mess up your stuff |
| 21:23 | <Captain_Murdoch> | I'm syncing now so I can put my patch in and commit. I don't think we'll trample on each other though. |
| 21:23 | <Chutt> | i'd rather have the conflicts, not make you slog through them |
| 21:23 | <Chutt> | just bein safe |
| 21:24 | <Chutt> | with all the changes i got him to make, this ended up being fairly painless |
| 21:25 | <Chutt> | no real big impact on existing code, other than the channel class |
| 21:26 | <Captain_Murdoch> | good, that opens Myth up to more programming sklls from non-U.S. people. :) |
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| 21:32 | <Captain_Murdoch> | changes committed. |
| 21:32 | <Chutt> | thanks |
| 21:33 | <gsfgf> | where is documentation on the controls? |
| 21:33 | <Captain_Murdoch> | keys.txt |
| 21:33 | <gsfgf> | ah |
| 21:35 | <gsfgf> | i can't change the channel and it won't exit |
| 21:36 | <Chutt> | completely frozen, or still displaying video? |
| 21:37 | <gsfgf> | as in doesn't respond to Esc |
| 21:37 | <gsfgf> | finally ity goes away, but the sound keeps going |
| 21:38 | <Chutt> | read the bits of the howto on sound. |
| 21:38 | <gsfgf> | i am. how do i mute the line-in? |
| 21:38 | <Chutt> | with a mixer program |
| 21:38 | <gsfgf> | ok |
| 21:39 | <gsfgf> | how do i exit mythfrontend |
| 21:39 | <Chutt> | also covered in the docs :p |
| 21:39 | <gsfgf> | musta missed it |
| 21:42 | <gsfgf> | i don't see that. where're the docs. adn n |
| 21:42 | <gsfgf> | i muted the line in and i can't get any sound |
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| 21:50 | <nyquiljer> | gsfgf: is the igain turned up? |
| 21:50 | <gsfgf> | i dunno |
| 21:50 | <gsfgf> | i'll check |
| 21:52 | <gsfgf> | wjhere is that set? |
| 21:56 | <gsfgf> | btw, my chanels won't change at all in anything. when i try to rmmod tuner bttv (which usually works) it says device busy. what's that mean? |
| 21:59 | <Chutt> | amazing how many errors leaving off one character can generate |
| 22:00 | <nyquiljer> | gsfgf: you cant unload the kernel module while something is using the tuner |
| 22:01 | <gsfgf> | i got it. i forgot i had lirc moaded |
| 22:01 | <nyquiljer> | gsfgf: igain is in the audio mixer. you'll want that turned up somewhat. is your audio patch cable plugged into line-in? |
| 22:02 | <gsfgf> | yea |
| 22:02 | <gsfgf> | what mixes should i use? |
| 22:02 | <gsfgf> | *mixer |
| 22:02 | <nyquiljer> | whatever one you used toe mute line-in |
| 22:03 | <gsfgf> | inwas using aumix and it doesn't have an option for igain |
| 22:12 | <Captain_Murdoch> | Chutt: it's worse when leaving off one char still lets it compile. :) |
| 22:13 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 22:13 | <Chutt> | true |
| 22:13 | <Captain_Murdoch> | sometimes just as hard to track down |
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| 22:21 | <Tack> | I'm curious if anyone has available a short clip of video captured by a pvr-250/350? |
| 22:22 | <Chutt> | actually, yeah |
| 22:23 | <Tack> | Oh, cool. :) |
| 22:23 | <Chutt> | http://mythtv.sf.net/mc/blah2.mpg |
| 22:23 | <Chutt> | it's _short_ |
| 22:23 | <Chutt> | just made to illustrate the audio whine |
| 22:24 | <Tack> | The driver gives you different compression options, right? What compression was used for that clip? |
| 22:24 | <Chutt> | default |
| 22:24 | <Chutt> | compression options aren't really available yet |
| 22:25 | * Tack | nods. |
| 22:25 | <Chutt> | not a very good look at it, though, i suppose |
| 22:25 | <Tack> | Hopefully not, because my bttv card is better than that. :) |
| 22:25 | <Tack> | But I don't know what the source is, either. |
| 22:26 | <Chutt> | crappy cable |
| 22:26 | <Tack> | It's probably the case that I'll never be happy until I can capture the DVB mpeg2 stream right off my satellite dish. :) |
| 22:26 | <Tack> | But that's not likely to happen. |
| 22:26 | <Tack> | Not likely any time soon, at least. |
| 22:26 | <Chutt> | they're actually pretty close |
| 22:26 | <Tack> | Not for my dish. |
| 22:26 | <Chutt> | (the pvr-250 and my 878) |
| 22:26 | <Tack> | Oh. |
| 22:27 | <Chutt> | aside from the ghosting with the pvr-250 |
| 22:27 | <Chutt> | and the audio whine |
| 22:27 | <Chutt> | both of which are, i believe, driver issues |
| 22:28 | <Tack> | I'd be pretty happy if I had to look real hard to see the difference between output direct frmo my satellite receiver and output from captured video off my computer to my tv. But that's a pretty tall order. :) |
| 22:29 | <Chutt> | allright, analog works |
| 22:29 | <Chutt> | ben broke stuff |
| 22:30 | <Tack> | A friend of mine has a PVR from Expressvu. My goal is to be able to shock and amaze him with what I'm able to do with myth, but have to improve quality first before I dare show him. :) |
| 22:30 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 22:30 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 22:30 | <Chutt> | can't really beat not recompressing things |
| 22:31 | <Tack> | Yeah. I spent a couple hours today reading about how I could get the DVB signal right from my satellite dish, but as soon as you have to deal with encryption issues it becomes mindblowingly complicated. |
| 22:34 | <Tack> | Or if my satellite receiver had some sort of digital video output that I could deal with, that'd be the next best thing. Either one is not likely to happen, so I'll just have to find the right combination of hardware and settings to make analog work acceptably well. That probably means a faster CPU. :) |
| 22:37 | <Chutt> | hrm |
| 22:37 | <Chutt> | might as well check this all in |
| 22:37 | <Tack> | I've been looking at freevo, and it really shines with the music and movies support, but the tv support is quite lacking. In fact, it unmutes line-in and uses mplayer to tv, and I'm not sure how that can possibly work so that it's not out-of-sync. |
| 22:37 | <Chutt> | you like the music stuff better? |
| 22:37 | <Chutt> | all they do is display what's in a directory |
| 22:38 | <Chutt> | and system("mplayer") on things |
| 22:38 | <Tack> | Yes, but they also show the album cover. The interface is very clean. But really I'm more interested in the movies, which is trhe reason I looked into myth in the first place. |
| 22:38 | <Chutt> | oh no, the album cover |
| 22:39 | <Chutt> | you can't create a playlist, other than what's in a directory, you can't add new music, etc |
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| 22:39 | <Chutt> | mythmusic does so much more :p |
| 22:39 | <Tack> | You can add new music. |
| 22:39 | <Tack> | It does, you're right. |
| 22:39 | <Tack> | But mythvideo doesn't. |
| 22:39 | <Chutt> | right |
| 22:40 | <Chutt> | mythvideo's a buncha crap |
| 22:40 | <Chutt> | i'm waiting for someone to take it over |
| 22:40 | <Tack> | And mythvideo and mythmusic aren't themed (or at least, they use Qt), and that looks hideously ugly IMO. :) |
| 22:40 | <Chutt> | hoping... |
| 22:40 | <Chutt> | mythvideo is, now |
| 22:40 | <Chutt> | mythmusic's coming soon |
| 22:40 | <Tack> | Ah, cool. |
| 22:41 | <Tack> | freevo video has some nice features like letting you set dvd album covers, and also through an xml file you can configure custom mplayer options for specific files, which is good because I have several movies that have the wrong aspect ratio. |
| 22:41 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 22:41 | <Tack> | So there are a number of ideas mythvideo can steal. :) |
| 22:41 | <Chutt> | like i said, i really wish someone would take over mythvideo |
| 22:41 | <Chutt> | and do stuff with it |
| 22:41 | <gsfgf> | how do i exit mythfrontend? and where are the docs that should tell me that? |
| 22:41 | <Chutt> | i've got too much other stuff to do |
| 22:42 | <Tack> | Yeah. |
| 22:42 | <Chutt> | and, really, i'm not all that interested in it |
| 22:42 | <Chutt> | i don't have any videos that i've not recorded without mythtv |
| 22:42 | <nyquiljer> | gsfgf: the docs say alt-F4 i think, but i think thats windowmanager specific |
| 22:42 | <gsfgf> | oh |
| 22:42 | <Chutt> | and a hardware dvd player is soooo much better than software playback in windows |
| 22:43 | <Chutt> | gsfgf, there's also a config option to allow you to use escape, or alt-escape or whatnot |
| 22:43 | <Chutt> | err, linux |
| 22:43 | <Chutt> | not windows =) |
| 22:43 | <Tack> | Well, I have a lot DVD rips. Most of my DVD collection is ripped. I like the convenience of a "dvd movie jukebox." |
| 22:44 | <gsfgf> | Chutt: ah found that |
| 22:44 | <Tack> | Plus I have a lot of DVDs that I've ripped that I don't own, like ones I've rented or borrowed. Ssshh. :) |
| 22:44 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 22:44 | <Chutt> | i wouldn't want my dvds to be any lower quality than they are now |
| 22:45 | <nyquiljer> | Chutt: i hear that |
| 22:45 | <nyquiljer> | i mainly download movies i cant find for rent on dvd, since divx looks loads better than vhs |
| 22:45 | <Tack> | My rips are all very high quality. 1.5-2G average per movie. I can see the extra compression in some rare cases on my tv, but it's acceptable to me. |
| 22:46 | <gsfgf> | i'm getting that sound problem where i need to mute the line-in, but if i do that, then i don't get any sound. (and yes the sound from a non-muted line-in is out of sync |
| 22:46 | <Tack> | nyquiljer: The problem with downloading divx avis is that most people have no idea how to do correct rips. :) |
| 22:47 | <Chutt> | hrmph |
| 22:47 | <Chutt> | i'm not getting list mail |
| 22:47 | <Chutt> | oh well |
| 22:47 | <nyquiljer> | Tack: alot of them have changed formats several times. crazy people who want to go from divx3 to divx5, or from videocd to divx |
| 22:48 | <Tack> | Acck. I can't bare to even think about that. :) |
| 22:48 | <Tack> | bear |
| 22:48 | <Timon> | beer |
| 22:48 | <Tack> | Even better. |
| 22:48 | <nyquiljer> | Tack: oh, then theres files that are named completely wrong. always love that |
| 22:48 | <Timon> | I'm thinkin about going out and getting some. |
| 22:49 | <Timon> | Yeah, like the one I recently got that was named x2 but was really orange county :-) |
| 22:49 | <Tack> | nyquiljer: I've only seen a few divx that were downloaded from, well, wherever. Most people don't like to pass around 1.5-2G avis, and anything less than that just isn't acceptable quality to me. |
| 22:50 | <Chutt> | wonder how many emails i'll get about people not doing the db update now |
| 22:50 | <Tack> | But the ones I hvae seen are invariably awful. Too low bitrate, or improperly encoded (i.e. not vbr, or not cbr multi-pass), or compressed audio, or wrong aspect ratio (or aspect not preserved, but only libavcodec does that), etc. |
| 22:51 | <Tack> | And it should be a law to crop out wasteful black borders in the video. :) |
| 22:51 | <nyquiljer> | Tack: ive got the ps2 media player thingy and my roommate downloads TONS of movies off kazaa and watches em on the ps2, so i see lots of varying qualities. course the ps2 software can only handle 1400kbps and no higher than 512xwhatever |
| 22:52 | <nyquiljer> | yeh, black bars anger me. i love mencoders cropdetect for that ;) |
| 22:52 | <Tack> | Yeah, I guess that beats renting VHS. But I'd still want DVD too, if that were my only other option. :) |
| 22:52 | <Captain_Murdoch> | Chutt: you should have made the word "request" be a link to dictionary.com |
| 22:52 | <Tack> | nyquiljer: Yeah. _Or_ you get the peoiple that are well-meaning and crop the black borders, but then forget to fix the aspect ratio. |
| 22:53 | <gsfgf> | anyone know why i can only get sound by umoting the line-in (which is bad) |
| 22:53 | <gsfgf> | *unmuting |
| 22:54 | <nyquiljer> | gsfgf: you SURE you don't have some sort of line in gain control? |
| 22:54 | <Tack> | gsfgf: Is line-in set to be the recording source? |
| 22:54 | <gsfgf> | nyquiljer: not in aumix and i just installed opmixer and still no control |
| 22:54 | <gsfgf> | Tack: where do i set that? |
| 22:55 | <Tack> | Well, in aumix, there will be a little red "R" beside Line if it is. |
| 22:55 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 22:55 | <Tack> | You can use amixer to set it from the cmd line. Say, amixer sset Line,0 80%,80% mute cap |
| 22:55 | <Chutt> | i dunno, maybe i'm way off base there |
| 22:55 | <gsfgf> | Tack: nope. ther's a little red dot, but that's it. |
| 22:55 | <Chutt> | that's just how it seems to me, at least |
| 22:56 | <Tack> | Chutt: What's how it seems to you? |
| 22:56 | <Chutt> | the 'feature request' thread on the -users list |
| 22:56 | <Tack> | Ohh. |
| 22:57 | <gsfgf> | Tack: i don't have alsa |
| 22:57 | <nyquiljer> | gsfgf: i think you hit space after moving the cursor to line-in in aumix |
| 22:58 | <Tack> | gsfgf: Oh. Well I'm not sure how to set the recording source with aumix, but if you have gnome-volume-control, just click the checkbox under Line-in that says "Record" :) |
| 22:58 | <gsfgf> | nyquiljer: it's not working for me |
| 22:58 | <nyquiljer> | gsfgf: maybe hit 'r'? |
| 22:58 | <Tack> | Space works for me, with aumix. |
| 22:59 | <gsfgf> | wha'ts suppose dto happen |
| 23:00 | <Tack> | There should appear an "R" on the left row of pluses beside "Line." |
| 23:00 | <nyquiljer> | gsfgf: a little 'r' shows up next to line-in |
| 23:00 | <Chutt> | ok |
| 23:00 | <nyquiljer> | gsfgf: and hopefully you get some sound :) |
| 23:00 | <gsfgf> | nyquiljer don't see it |
| 23:00 | <Chutt> | would people rather have the menus pop up little arrows and let you scroll up and down in the items if there's more than 6 entries |
| 23:00 | <Chutt> | or rather have a 'more' button be created |
| 23:00 | <Chutt> | and go to a second page |
| 23:00 | <Tack> | I'd prefer scrolling. |
| 23:00 | <Timon> | Arrow |
| 23:01 | <Captain_Murdoch> | scrolling would be nice in quite a few themes. |
| 23:01 | <gsfgf> | oh, i see it. and i do have it set to record (this version it's a green dot) |
| 23:01 | <Chutt> | that's what i was a-feared of |
| 23:01 | <Chutt> | :p |
| 23:01 | <Tack> | Yeah. Scrolling is always harder. :) |
| 23:02 | <Chutt> | i think i'd prefer that too, it's just a tad on the more difficult side |
| 23:02 | <nyquiljer> | Chutt: what if instead of scrolling, it just sorta 'flips' to the next page? |
| 23:02 | <Chutt> | hmmm |
| 23:02 | <Chutt> | that might be easier |
| 23:02 | <Chutt> | and still show up/down arrows |
| 23:02 | <nyquiljer> | yeh |
| 23:02 | <Chutt> | good idea =) |
| 23:03 | <Chutt> | yeah, that'd be a lot easier |
| 23:03 | <Tack> | Yeah that'd be okay, but use left/right arrows instead of up/down arrows, since up/down implies scrolling more. |
| 23:03 | <nyquiljer> | yeh, i was gonna say that too |
| 23:03 | <nyquiljer> | left/right vs up/down |
| 23:03 | <Timon> | For the record, I just read the thread and I don't think your response was out of line, or that your off base |
| 23:03 | <Chutt> | left/right? |
| 23:03 | <Chutt> | hmm |
| 23:03 | <Chutt> | but, most themes do things vertically |
| 23:04 | <Timon> | I think up/down would be more intuative |
| 23:04 | <Chutt> | like, take sasquatch or iulius |
| 23:04 | <Chutt> | single line of options |
| 23:04 | <nyquiljer> | yeh, i gues thats true |
| 23:04 | <nyquiljer> | youd want to be able to just move the cursor down wnd have it go to the next page |
| 23:04 | <Captain_Murdoch> | up/down, then pageup/pagedown could be used. |
| 23:04 | <Chutt> | left/right would probably do it, too |
| 23:04 | <Chutt> | since that also scrolls through things |
| 23:04 | <Chutt> | just in a different order than up/down |
| 23:06 | <Tack> | Well, up/down would probably be okay as long as the UI elements didn't look like scroll arrows. |
| 23:06 | <Tack> | i.e. if there are more options in a menu, instead of having a down arrow on the side, have it right beneath the last option on the screen. |
| 23:06 | <Chutt> | i just need to be able to show more than 6 entries |
| 23:06 | <Chutt> | but 6 is a really nice number to show on screen at once |
| 23:06 | <Tack> | No problem. Use a small font. :) |
| 23:07 | <Tack> | 7 is about as many as you'd want on a screen at once. 6 is safer, yeah. |
| 23:07 | <Tack> | 7 is what the chunking rule says, anyway. |
| 23:07 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 23:07 | <Chutt> | 6 is easier to lay out, though |
| 23:07 | <Chutt> | ah well |
| 23:07 | <Tack> | Yeah, 6 looks cleaner IMO too. |
| 23:08 | <Chutt> | suppose i should do that sometime |
| 23:08 | <Chutt> | so i can finish up the settings code stuff |
| 23:08 | <nyquiljer> | i think if the up/down indicator was the same width as the buttons and right below/above them, it would make it really obvious |
| 23:09 | <Chutt> | i'll have to play with stuff and see what people think |
| 23:09 | <Chutt> | thor_, hey, did you commit a button class to CVS ever? |
| 23:16 | <gsfgf> | i have line in set to record in aumix, but i'm still not getting sound with line in muted. |
| 23:28 | <Captain_Murdoch> | cool, the initial version of scene change detection code matched up almost exactly with the commercials detected by the blank frame code. it even indicates the last 28 or so seconds of the video are a commercial and they are but weren't picked up by the blank frame code since it's not close enough to 30 seconds. |
| 23:29 | <Captain_Murdoch> | not consuming too much cpu either from what I can see so far. |
| 23:30 | <Chutt> | nice |
| 23:30 | <Chutt> | what triggers a scene change? |
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| 23:31 | <Captain_Murdoch> | doing a straight histogram on the Y (from yuv) values right now and then comparing the area underneath the histogram on both current and previous frame to get area covered by both. if that area is over a certain % of the total pixels then it assumes scene change. |
| 23:33 | <Captain_Murdoch> | then I computed number of scene changes for each second and threw out all seconds with <= 2 scene changes. the resulting list of "seconds" indicates potential commercials since they have high rates of scene changes |
| 23:35 | <Captain_Murdoch> | needs tweaking and then I need to work on comparing the two commercial lists (blank frame & scene change) to come up with the final list. |
| 23:36 | <Captain_Murdoch> | I'm debating getting rid of the option in setup for "Commercial Detection Method". I realized yesterday that I don't even honor that setting right now. if you have auto flagging turned on, it always tries blank frame detection since that's the only method so far. |
| 23:36 | <Chutt> | cool |
| 23:37 | <Chutt> | sounds good to me =) |
| 23:38 | <Captain_Murdoch> | also need to figure out sometime how I can analyze the audio also, to search for silence at scene changes which would also indicate a potential commercial start/end. |
| 23:38 | <Chutt> | audio's easy |
| 23:39 | <Chutt> | there's less of it, for one =) |
| 23:39 | <Captain_Murdoch> | I just mean I'll have to work with the audio buffer myself since the current code only decodes the video since I'm passing 1 to GetFrame() |
| 23:39 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 23:39 | <Chutt> | true |
| 23:39 | <Chutt> | that may cause problems |
| 23:39 | <Captain_Murdoch> | so I'll have to decode audio but then make sure the buffer doesn't fill up. |
| 23:39 | <Captain_Murdoch> | that's why I haven't tackled it yet. :) |
| 23:40 | <Chutt> | might be able to override the two functions that copy the audio from the decoder into the internal buffers |
| 23:40 | <FryGuy> | are you the person that did the commercial detection stuff Captain_Murdoch? |
| 23:40 | <Chutt> | and copy it into _your_ buffers, and do stuff that way |
| 23:40 | <Captain_Murdoch> | FryGuy: yes |
| 23:40 | <FryGuy> | nice job |
| 23:40 | <Captain_Murdoch> | thanks |
| 23:40 | <FryGuy> | sometimes it jumps into a commercial though |
| 23:41 | <FryGuy> | not quite to the end of the commercial break |
| 23:41 | <FryGuy> | but much better than I could ever do :) |
| 23:41 | <Captain_Murdoch> | Chutt: that's an idea. I'll have to look at it more indepth when I get the scene change stuff working. |
| 23:41 | <Captain_Murdoch> | FryGuy: current cvs or v0.8? |
| 23:41 | <FryGuy> | um like a week cvs |
| 23:41 | <Captain_Murdoch> | new recordings or older ones? |
| 23:42 | <FryGuy> | i haven't figured out how to patch the cvs, so I just got it right after cvs went down and came back up |
| 23:42 | <Tack> | I hacked lirc so that button repeating works like it does on a keyboard. That is, you have a delay after the first press before it starts to repeat. Would anyone be interested in a patch if I posted it? |
| 23:42 | <bline> | Ive seen that as well |
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| 23:42 | <Captain_Murdoch> | ok. haven't changed much since then. is it always on certain shows/channels or just random? |
| 23:42 | <FryGuy> | well, yesterday. it had been finished recording for like a half hour before i started watching it |
| 23:42 | <FryGuy> | just random |
| 23:43 | <FryGuy> | mainly on the night talk shows |
| 23:43 | <Captain_Murdoch> | FryGuy: does the osd theme you're using show frame numbers? |
| 23:43 | <Captain_Murdoch> | in edit mode?. |
| 23:44 | <FryGuy> | i haven't fiddled around that much yet. I'm using the default OSD |
| 23:44 | <FryGuy> | and haven't even gone into edit mode |
| 23:44 | <Chutt> | tack, i'm sure people would be interested |
| 23:44 | <FryGuy> | I've still got the recording though |
| 23:44 | <FryGuy> | it should be repeatable, right? |
| 23:44 | <Tack> | Chutt: Okay. |
| 23:44 | <Captain_Murdoch> | ok, that doesn't. I'm wondering if the commercial start/end frames marked in the DB are actually on blank frames or out in the middle of nowhere. |
| 23:45 | <FryGuy> | and actually it's kind of odd sometimes too. |
| 23:45 | <FryGuy> | it will skip into the commercial, then in the middle of the commercial jump into the start of the program |
| 23:45 | <Captain_Murdoch> | FryGuy: yeah, the skip list is in the DB so it always should skip to the same exact frame for a given recording. |
| 23:46 | <Captain_Murdoch> | do you have auto skipping turned on? it could be that it detected a commercial at the start of the break and one at the end but skipped one in the middle for some reason. |
| 23:47 | <FryGuy> | yes it's automatic |
| 23:47 | <FryGuy> | not that I'm complaining though |
| 23:47 | <FryGuy> | it's better than watching all of them |
| 23:49 | <FryGuy> | one of the projects I want to do over the summer when I'm at my dad's apartment is make something that will listen to directv's audio channels and try to use an OCR(?) to grab the names of the songs that are playing and rip them into mp3's while it's not doing anything else |
| 23:50 | <FryGuy> | nobody probably cares though |
| 23:53 | <Captain_Murdoch> | I rarely have to watch commercials, it works great on most of the stuff I record. I don't have auto-skip turned on though, just me and my 'Z' and 'Q' keys (used Next/Prev buttons on remote) :) |
| 23:53 | <FryGuy> | well i haven't made a transceiver yet |
| 23:53 | <FryGuy> | and my keyboard is far from my bed :) |
| 23:55 | <Chutt> | damn people using my cvs server again |
| 23:55 | <Chutt> | why why? =) |
| 23:55 | <Chutt> | every time i commit, instant bandwidth usage |
| 23:56 | <FryGuy> | cvs -flood chutt |
| 23:56 | <Chutt> | ah well |
| 23:57 | <Captain_Murdoch> | those 200+ people on the -commit list see your 'ijr' commits and gotta go grab the updates.. :) |
| 23:57 | <Viddy> | heh |