| 00:00 | <bline> | oh dear, I can't reproduce |
| 00:00 | <bline> | strange heh |
| 00:01 | <bline> | ok, reproduces, it's at the begiing of this recording, I'll try other recording |
| 00:02 | <bline> | weird that it doesn't do this further into the recording |
| 00:02 | <thor_> | Chutt, any thoughts on the DPI thing? |
| 00:02 | <Chutt> | not really |
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| 00:03 | <Chutt> | i wouldn't have thought it would make that much of a difference |
| 00:03 | <thor_> | assume 100, assume 75, read it from running display and do a dpi_mult, or have the user set it somewhere |
| 00:03 | <bline> | wow, it's only this one recording |
| 00:04 | <Chutt> | a dpi_mult might be the best thing |
| 00:04 | <bline> | guess it's not that big a deal then |
| 00:04 | <moegreen> | thor_: shouldn't the user have the correct fonts for their resolution? |
| 00:04 | <Chutt> | moegreen, ttfs should be correct, no? |
| 00:04 | <bline> | unless you really want to see a stack from where it hangs |
| 00:04 | <thor_> | moegreen, X wants the text to appear the same "physical size" |
| 00:05 | <thor_> | it's points, not pixels |
| 00:05 | <Chutt> | doesn't debian default to 100? |
| 00:05 | <moegreen> | Chutt: ttf should be fine, but you have the option in your X config which fonts to prefer |
| 00:05 | <thor_> | if you do not specify the size of you monitor, X defaults to 75. |
| 00:06 | <thor_> | difference between 75 and 100 is fairly dramatic |
| 00:06 | <bline> | X defaullted to the first font path I thought |
| 00:06 | <bline> | xfs has an option in the conf for the default |
| 00:06 | <moegreen> | bline: right, but that is where your option to change it comes in |
| 00:06 | <thor_> | see http://www.sigvaldason.com/fontsize.png |
| 00:06 | <bline> | moegreen: Yea, I was agreeing :p |
| 00:07 | <thor_> | vs. http://www.sigvaldason.com/100dpi.png |
| 00:07 | <thor_> | same theme, same font, one at 75 dpi, other at 100 dpi |
| 00:09 | <moegreen> | thor_: I'm not saying it's not a problem, but can't the problem be solved by changing the user's configuration versus adding programming? Otherwise though, there may be some people who would like to scale their fonts (like the people who complain to the list that the fonts are too big on their 56" tv) |
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| 00:10 | <thor_> | moegreen, yes the user can be told to change ... but theme designers (default theme = me) need to know what we're going to tell them to change to |
| 00:10 | <vektor> | Chutt: Debian defaults to 100dpi. |
| 00:11 | <Chutt> | that's what i thought |
| 00:11 | <vektor> | Chutt: In fact, pretty much every linux distribution does. |
| 00:11 | <Chutt> | also what i thought =) |
| 00:11 | <thor_> | xf86config defaults to 100 |
| 00:11 | <thor_> | sorry, 75 |
| 00:11 | <vektor> | thor_: I'd argue that's broken. |
| 00:11 | <thor_> | I'm not arguing one way or the other ... |
| 00:11 | <Chutt> | just that there's a difference |
| 00:12 | <Chutt> | and we should probably compensate for it _somehow_ |
| 00:12 | <thor_> | just seeking consensus |
| 00:12 | <vektor> | Chutt: Is this with your renderer? |
| 00:12 | <Chutt> | Qt |
| 00:12 | <vektor> | Or is this in Qt or something? |
| 00:12 | <vektor> | darn. |
| 00:12 | <Chutt> | aye |
| 00:12 | <vektor> | Since arguably, you should just have configurable font point sizes. |
| 00:13 | <vektor> | And let the user decide based on their DPI what is reasonable. |
| 00:13 | <thor_> | vektor, but in most themes, text has to fit withing pixmaps |
| 00:13 | <vektor> | Then it would be broken to specify it in points, wouldn't it. |
| 00:14 | <thor_> | ttf's only come in points |
| 00:14 | <vektor> | True, but they're for 72 points per whatever. |
| 00:14 | <vektor> | So if you use 72x72 DPI you'll get pixels. |
| 00:14 | <vektor> | So I guess you should force Qt into 72dpi mode if you're trying to fit it to pixmaps. |
| 00:16 | <thor_> | we can ask X for the DPI, try and compensate with a dpi_mult, but things won't round perfectly. When users complain, we can suggest that 100 dpi is recommended. Anyone have a problem with that? |
| 00:16 | <vektor> | Dunno how you'd handle non-square pixels then :) |
| 00:16 | <Chutt> | we could use setPixelSize |
| 00:16 | <vektor> | thor_: Doesn't sound 'right'. :) |
| 00:17 | <vektor> | goodnight :) |
| 00:19 | <thor_> | Chutt, I believe you may have hot on it. |
| 00:19 | <thor_> | hit |
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| 00:55 | <moegreen> | Chutt: do you know if the 'dan' that sent in the mythvideo imdb timeout patch is danm? (the email addr is dan@milkcarton.com) |
| 00:56 | <Chutt> | i don't know |
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| 01:32 | <Timon> | moe, you here? |
| 01:32 | <moegreen> | Timon: yeah |
| 01:32 | <Timon> | I was thinking about it this morning, I think there is a memory leak in my patch |
| 01:33 | <Timon> | I instansiate a new QTimer, but don't delete it |
| 01:33 | <Timon> | Did you fix that? |
| 01:34 | <moegreen> | Timon: didn't notice it, but i've just added a fix for it, I'll commit it on my next commit - heh. |
| 01:34 | <Timon> | heh, ok :-) |
| 01:35 | <Timon> | Now that I'm thinking more about it, I believe the same issue exists in libmythtv with my patch to add the channel history functionality |
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| 08:34 | <Captain_Murdoch> | I see we got the MIL factor in the wired article. :) |
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| 08:50 | <rroca> | hi there, is ben online? |
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| 10:17 | <WizFactor> | Anyone having any issues with the latest mythmusic cvs? I just updated for the first time since the redesign, and I'm getting segfaults when I press play |
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| 10:22 | <mdz> | hah, I like how the abstract on the front page doesn't even mention 'mythtv' |
| 10:22 | <mdz> | while it has both 'tivo' and 'replaytv' in it |
| 10:24 | <mdz> | Krikorian estimates the parts for the device will cost a cool $1,200 |
| 10:24 | <mdz> | Kulagowski estimates he spent about $600 on building his three DVRs |
| 10:24 | <mdz> | only a factor of 5 difference |
| 10:27 | <Conaz> | I'm just now getting to that part of the story :) |
| 10:30 | <Conaz> | At least the remaining portion of the article focused on MythTV |
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| 11:12 | <rkulagow__> | just read the wired story. interesting... |
| 11:14 | <rkulagow__> | wonder why the "tivo hacks" guy says it's going to cost $1200...? |
| 11:14 | <Conaz> | He must be paying retail for all his parts |
| 11:15 | <Conaz> | you get that new box all setup yesterday? |
| 11:15 | <rkulagow__> | could be. but $1200 is still a _lot_. interesting how he's got 35 offers but hasn't built one yet... |
| 11:15 | <Conaz> | I hear ya |
| 11:15 | <rkulagow__> | yes, pundit is now sitting pretty. finishing up the mythtv part of it today... |
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| 11:17 | <Conaz> | very cool |
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| 11:26 | * Snow-Man | figures he might ask the right channel. |
| 11:27 | <Snow-Man> | If anyone's awake anyway. |
| 11:28 | <Snow-Man> | Anyone know how long an svideo one can have without running into problems? |
| 11:28 | <Conaz> | With how quick stuff gets done on mythtv I figure no-one sleeps around here |
| 11:28 | <Snow-Man> | +cable |
| 11:28 | <Snow-Man> | haha. |
| 11:29 | <mdz> | Snow-Man: depends on the environment I think |
| 11:29 | <mdz> | EMI etc. |
| 11:29 | <Snow-Man> | General 'can it do this' question: Can you rip DVDs to disk and play them with MythTV and has it got a nice interface for selecting pre-ripped movies and stuff? |
| 11:29 | <Snow-Man> | mdz: Hrmpf. |
| 11:29 | <mdz> | if wrapped around your computer monitor, probably only a couple of feet : |
| 11:29 | <mdz> | :-{) |
| 11:29 | <mdz> | I can't type today |
| 11:29 | <Snow-Man> | mdz: The shortest I could make it I would estimate at around 20'. |
| 11:30 | <Snow-Man> | Which is from my basement through the ceiling up through the floor next to the TV. |
| 11:30 | <mdz> | Snow-Man: there is an add-on module with a simple browser for playing video files |
| 11:30 | <Snow-Man> | Might be able to make it 15'. |
| 11:30 | <mdz> | no interface for ripping as far as I know |
| 11:30 | <Snow-Man> | mdz: Hmmm, that might be good enough. I suppose I can always get off my ass and write up additions to it if I want. |
| 11:30 | <mdz> | Snow-Man: shielded coax should go farther |
| 11:30 | <Snow-Man> | Oh, I don't need an interface for ripping. |
| 11:31 | <Snow-Man> | mdz: I'm sure it would but I havn't got a coax tv out on my box. |
| 11:31 | <Snow-Man> | Besides, I do actually have svideo on my tv, so that'd be neat. :) |
| 11:31 | <mdz> | Snow-Man: run it though an old VCR :-) |
| 11:31 | <Snow-Man> | haha |
| 11:32 | <Snow-Man> | Actually, I don't know that I've got any equipment that could do svideo to coax.. I guess I might have an rca out tho too. |
| 11:33 | <Snow-Man> | Hrmpf, I'll have to drill a hole to run the svideo through but that might be short enough. |
| 11:33 | <Snow-Man> | If I could do it in like 15-20'. |
| 11:33 | <Snow-Man> | Going up the stairs would make the trip alot longer. :) |
| 11:33 | <Conaz> | You just doign this to test the video out? |
| 11:33 | <Snow-Man> | Hey, if I run into problems at least I've got rather fast access to the mailing list archives. |
| 11:34 | <Snow-Man> | Conaz: nah, I'm doing this so I can keep my desktop in the basement and the main TV on the floor above it. |
| 11:34 | <Snow-Man> | (in the living room) |
| 11:34 | <Snow-Man> | Just going to make my main desktop the mythtv box. |
| 11:34 | <Conaz> | Ah, so it is a perm solution |
| 11:34 | <Snow-Man> | yea. |
| 11:34 | <Conaz> | What are you using for interface? RF remote? |
| 11:34 | <Snow-Man> | yeah, that's what I was thinking. |
| 11:35 | <Snow-Man> | Of course, I need to find one that's not using one of the freq's already used in my house. |
| 11:35 | <Snow-Man> | So that we can still use the remote when on the phone. :) |
| 11:35 | <Conaz> | My xbox finally shipped from buy.com, now if only my mod chip would ship |
| 11:35 | <mdz> | Snow-Man: having a cheap PC next to the TV works out much better |
| 11:35 | <Snow-Man> | It's a bitch though, my wavebird doesn't fucking work when someone's on the cordless. |
| 11:35 | <Conaz> | hehee |
| 11:35 | <Snow-Man> | mdz: I'd have to buy said PC and I don't think it'd be that cheap.. |
| 11:36 | <Conaz> | I'm hoping the xbox will be acceptable |
| 11:36 | <Snow-Man> | Not to mention the big magnets in the big speakers on either side of the entertainment center. |
| 11:36 | <mdz> | Snow-Man: ask rkugalow, he finds the deals |
| 11:36 | <mdz> | Snow-Man: you can definitely do it for cheap |
| 11:36 | <Snow-Man> | hrm, ok.. |
| 11:36 | * Snow-Man | would need to keep all expenses under the cost of a Tivo. :) |
| 11:36 | <mdz> | still do the encoding on the fast box, but use a cheap machine for the display |
| 11:37 | <Snow-Man> | Yeah, I figured that's what you were meaning. |
| 11:37 | <Conaz> | Hopefully next week I'll have some experience with the xbox as a frontend |
| 11:37 | <Conaz> | That was certainly cheap enough |
| 11:38 | <Conaz> | If not, I guess one of the kids will get an xbox :) |
| 11:38 | <mdz> | if the big speaker magnets don't disrupt the TV picture, a PC will probably not mind |
| 11:38 | <Snow-Man> | Well, the TV is farther away than the PC would be but I guess maybe I could try and find some other place to stash the PC. |
| 11:39 | <Snow-Man> | Like under the entertainment center or something if I got a like 2U case. ;) |
| 11:39 | <mdz> | 2U cases tend to be very loud |
| 11:39 | <Snow-Man> | True. |
| 11:39 | <mdz> | or very very hot, your choice :-) |
| 11:39 | <Snow-Man> | Maybe I'll just buy a long svideo cable and see how well it works first. |
| 11:42 | <Snow-Man> | Anyhow have a thought on how much disk space your average dvd takes up? |
| 11:42 | <vektor> | Think 5-7MB/sec on average maybe? |
| 11:42 | <poptix> | Snow-Man: between 4 and 9 gigs |
| 11:43 | <vektor> | So between 4 and 9 gigs or so. |
| 11:43 | <vektor> | yeah |
| 11:43 | <poptix> | Snow-Man: a typical DVD (the physical medium) has a capacity of 4.7 or 9.4 GB |
| 11:43 | <poptix> | (depending on if it's single or dual layer(or sided) |
| 11:43 | <poptix> | with a double layer double sided DVD, you can fit 18.8GB on a single disc |
| 11:44 | <poptix> | Snow-Man: mount the DVD, then use the 'df' command. |
| 11:47 | <mdz> | Snow-Man: of course, if you're transcoding it, you can trade quality for space |
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| 11:48 | <Snow-Man> | Hmm, ok. |
| 11:48 | <Snow-Man> | I doubt I'd want to drop quality but <Shrug> who knows. |
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| 11:49 | <Snow-Man> | MythTV records at about 1GB/hour, right? |
| 11:49 | <mdz> | you can sometimes trade relatively small amounts of quality for big space gains |
| 11:49 | <mdz> | Snow-Man: it records at whatever bitrate you specify |
| 11:50 | <Snow-Man> | Hrmpf. |
| 11:52 | <Chutt> | poor snowman |
| 11:52 | <Snow-Man> | Chutt: :P |
| 11:52 | <Chutt> | so complicated :p |
| 11:52 | <Snow-Man> | bah, just trying to figure if I'm gonna need another disk or not. |
| 11:53 | <Snow-Man> | Of course, I know the answer is yes I'm just trying to figure out how long I can limp on with just one. |
| 11:53 | <mdz> | depends on how good things look on your TV |
| 11:53 | <Snow-Man> | I suppose I'll have to find out. |
| 11:53 | <Chutt> | a tv is very forgiving =) |
| 11:53 | <mdz> | I currently have a 40G volume for mythtv |
| 11:53 | <mdz> | and I never fill it up |
| 11:54 | <mdz> | 14G in use right now |
| 11:54 | <Snow-Man> | Hmm, I've got 49G free on my data partition atm. |
| 11:55 | <Snow-Man> | I could actually trim out alot of crap too, I've got like 3 or 4 copies of OpenLDAP trees, some copies of glibc and a bunch of other crap. |
| 11:55 | <Snow-Man> | I'm probably going to want to rip a bunch of video tapes and DVDs to disk tho. |
| 11:55 | <mdz> | one TV show will cost you 4 glibc trees, I think |
| 11:55 | <Snow-Man> | hahaha |
| 11:56 | <mdz> | depending on whether they're compiled or not |
| 11:58 | <Snow-Man> | Let's see, 630M of netfilter crap, 3.1G vmware install, 2.3G of 'debs' which includes glibc, openldap, sasl, perl and some other stuff. |
| 11:58 | <Snow-Man> | 4.2g of other old junk.. |
| 12:00 | <Chutt> | hrm |
| 12:01 | <Chutt> | my cable just went out |
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| 12:04 | <Chutt> | hmm |
| 12:04 | <Chutt> | story gets posted on wired, my cable goes out |
| 12:04 | <Chutt> | coincidence? i think not |
| 12:04 | <Chutt> | =) |
| 12:04 | <Snow-Man> | hahahaha |
| 12:07 | * Conaz | laughs |
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| 13:34 | <thor_> | Chutt, it's big media after you for sure |
| 13:34 | <thor_> | In fact, I believe I predicted this =) |
| 13:38 | <Snow-Man> | So, I trust that those of you on the mythtv lists have decent mail servers, right? |
| 13:39 | <Chutt> | what are you going to do now? |
| 13:39 | <thor_> | Chutt, that question to me? |
| 13:39 | <bma> | Snow-Man: hah |
| 13:40 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 13:40 | <thor_> | Next 72 hours, clean up drawing code, fix some of the TODO bugs. Was the question about the next few days, or after 0.9? |
| 13:40 | * Snow-Man | is just harrasing people. :) |
| 13:41 | <Chutt> | oh, the question was to snowman :p |
| 13:41 | <Chutt> | sorry |
| 13:41 | <Snow-Man> | haha. |
| 13:41 | <Chutt> | not paying much attention here =) |
| 13:41 | <Conaz> | thor_: we appreciate the update anyway :) |
| 13:42 | <Snow-Man> | Actually it looks like the current bastard taking up room in my mail queue is a certain: |
| 13:42 | <Snow-Man> | 7BIT (Deferred: mail.offended.co.uk.: No route to host) |
| 13:42 | <Snow-Man> | <tom@linuxbrit.co.uk> |
| 13:42 | <bma> | Snow-Man: blackhole him :) |
| 13:42 | <Conaz> | oh, and btw: You've all ruined the TiVo for me :) I cannot live without commercial skip anymore... |
| 13:43 | <Snow-Man> | Though those damn MIT alum servers are having an issue again. |
| 13:43 | <Conaz> | The TiVo will be shipped off to my parents soon |
| 13:43 | <thor_> | Chutt, on the fonts ... I'm gonna assume 100 DPI for 0.9, and we can spec a slightly different theme.xml format after that to let designer specify pixels instead of points. That ok? |
| 13:43 | <bma> | tivo has commercial skip... |
| 13:43 | <Chutt> | yeah, that's fine |
| 13:43 | <bma> | select-play-select-3-0-select |
| 13:43 | <Chutt> | bma, automatic :p |
| 13:43 | <Conaz> | Isn't that just hte 30 second skip? |
| 13:43 | <bma> | Chutt: how's it figure it out? |
| 13:43 | <bma> | Conaz: yea, but it works well enough for me |
| 13:43 | <Chutt> | magic |
| 13:43 | <bma> | bah |
| 13:43 | <Chutt> | works pretty well, actually |
| 13:44 | <bma> | Don't give me that garbage :P |
| 13:44 | <Conaz> | Oh, no, it isn't even close to acceptable now :) |
| 13:44 | <bma> | I'm technically curious |
| 13:44 | <Chutt> | blank frame and scene change detection |
| 13:44 | <Conaz> | It works great |
| 13:45 | <bma> | ah |
| 13:45 | <thor_> | Chutt, oh and I'm going to try and finish making the muth video File List do something useful in time for 0.9 |
| 13:45 | <Conaz> | I hadn't used Myth since 0.5, so the latest cvs blew me away |
| 13:45 | <bma> | one thing I wish tivo did has was editing, so I could edit out commercials :) |
| 13:46 | <Snow-Man> | Can it skip an entire commercial break or does the user have to identify the commercials? |
| 13:47 | <Chutt> | snowman, usually does it completely automatically |
| 13:48 | <Conaz> | That has been my experience, sometimes they have a longer break between the commercials, but just press the Z key again, and away ya go |
| 13:48 | <bma> | unless you don't have a keyboard attached :) |
| 13:49 | <Conaz> | Well, press the remote button associated with commercial skip ;) |
| 13:49 | <Conaz> | either way, I'm hooked |
| 13:49 | <Conaz> | bah, stupid meetings |
| 13:49 | <Snow-Man> | Sounds pretty nice. |
| 13:49 | * Snow-Man | is gonna have to show it off if he gets it all working. :) |
| 13:52 | <bma> | heh. |
| 13:52 | <bma> | if, if :) |
| 13:58 | <Snow-Man> | :P |
| 14:12 | <moegreen> | thor_: are you going to do the mythvideo 'video list'? I'm planning on fixing the cutdown function and adding it to the base class. |
| 14:15 | <thor_> | moegreen, yes |
| 14:16 | <thor_> | one thing ... browse and list are just two different ways of looking at the same set of data? |
| 14:16 | <Chutt> | list should be more directory based |
| 14:16 | <thor_> | or is list supposed to let the user specify what's browsable? |
| 14:17 | <Snow-Man> | I look forward to being able to step through the directories and movies I've got on disk and be able to play them easily with mythtv. ;) |
| 14:19 | <moegreen> | thor_: it should be a directory type browser - similar to the old school version, but it could use a playback looking widget with directories on the left and files on the right. |
| 14:19 | <thor_> | if there supposed to "do the same thing" (show all available movies), but one is flat with left right scrolling through the list and the other is a tree, then shouldn't the user specify which interface to use and then have one button to "Play Movies" |
| 14:20 | <thor_> | or should I just shut up, get it to work, and leave these questions for 0.10? |
| 14:20 | <thor_> | = |
| 14:20 | <thor_> | =) |
| 14:21 | <moegreen> | heh. I think for now the two different ways will work |
| 14:21 | <thor_> | ok |
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| 14:34 | <mdz> | Snow-Man: there's no deb for mythvideo as yet, since I don't use it...maybe you'd be interested in packaging it |
| 14:34 | <bma> | mythvideo looks kind of nice, even if you don't use mythtv :) |
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| 14:58 | <Snow-Man> | mdz: Hrm, perhaps. |
| 14:59 | <Snow-Man> | mdz: We'll see how far I get with things first. :) |
| 15:00 | <PeteCool> | I see a few ' in the translations/strings... can I use any HTML character in there? |
| 15:00 | <PeteCool> | é doesn't work |
| 15:01 | <moegreen> | PeteCool: where at? |
| 15:02 | <PeteCool> | moegreen: I tried it in mythfrontend_fr.ts |
| 15:03 | <PeteCool> | moegreen: I'm not sure exactly what your question means :( |
| 15:07 | <moegreen> | PeteCool: I wasn't sure if you were talking about MythVideo and some of the manual & -> & stuff |
| 15:08 | <PeteCool> | alright, let me start over: I'd need to use those letters in my mythfrontend translation: é à, maybe others, how would I make those? |
| 15:09 | <PeteCool> | moegreen: I'm not up to mythvideo yet ;) |
| 15:13 | <Chutt> | petecool, use utf8 |
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| 15:28 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: sorry to bother you again, I don't see how to input those in the files... &#<hex unicode>; ? Or something like that? Or do I really need to be using an UTF-8 keyboard and locale? |
| 15:42 | <Chutt> | all the .xml files should be in utf-8 |
| 15:42 | <Chutt> | all the stuff in the translators should be in utf-8 |
| 15:42 | <Chutt> | use qtlinguist or whatever it is for the translation files, though |
| 15:59 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: ok, thanks |
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| 16:23 | <PeteCool> | what does "Change recording time:" in SetRecTimeDialog (mythfrontend_LANG.ts) refer to? I never saw it, and without knowing what it does, I can't really translate it :( |
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| 16:29 | <moegreen> | PeteCool: that might be from the manual recording box |
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| 16:48 | <thor_> | Chutt, some very good improvements to mmusic (mostly GUI rationalization). Two issues: go back to accelerators even if ShowWholeTree = false, and (more importantly) still getting X Error: BadWindow out of SDL. This is happening about half the time |
| 16:49 | <moegreen> | thor_: your managed tree list never needs multiline capabilities, right? |
| 16:49 | <thor_> | nope |
| 16:50 | <thor_> | you putting things in base UIType ? |
| 16:50 | <Snow-Man> | erm. |
| 16:50 | <moegreen> | thor_: yeah |
| 16:50 | <Snow-Man> | mdz; I thought there were Debian packages? |
| 16:50 | <thor_> | coool |
| 16:50 | <mdz> | Snow-Man: there are |
| 16:50 | <Snow-Man> | mdz: Like, for straight-up mythtv? |
| 16:50 | <Snow-Man> | Not in unstable yet? |
| 16:50 | <mdz> | Snow-Man: err |
| 16:51 | <mdz> | Snow-Man: the moment mp3 and MPEG-4 encoders are allowed in Debian, I'll upload it :-) |
| 16:51 | <Snow-Man> | oh, bah. |
| 16:51 | <mdz> | until then they're unofficial |
| 16:51 | <Snow-Man> | Stupid patents and licenses and shiat. |
| 16:51 | <Snow-Man> | Where they hiding? |
| 16:51 | <mdz> | http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/mythtv/ |
| 16:52 | <Snow-Man> | yay, it's apt'able too. |
| 16:52 | <mdz> | well of course |
| 16:52 | <Snow-Man> | hehe. :) |
| 16:53 | <Snow-Man> | You must answer "Yes" to the question "Should MySQL start on boot?" |
| 16:53 | <Snow-Man> | haha. |
| 16:53 | <mdz> | Snow-Man: that defaults to "no" for some ridiculous reason |
| 16:53 | <mdz> | which completely breaks trying to set up a mysql database in postinst |
| 16:53 | <mdz> | I should file a bug |
| 16:54 | <Snow-Man> | Oh, you're the one who wrote the mythtv mplayer patch? nice. |
| 16:54 | <bigguy> | lo Snow-Man |
| 16:54 | <Snow-Man> | Geez, got a client and a server and stuff too, eh? Nice. |
| 16:54 | <Snow-Man> | bigguy: hey. |
| 16:54 | <bigguy> | ltns |
| 16:54 | <Snow-Man> | web interface and everything, yeesh. |
| 16:55 | <Snow-Man> | bigguy: yea. |
| 16:55 | <bigguy> | I disappeared from irc for a few months and come back to find alot of people missing |
| 16:55 | * Snow-Man | notes he's got mysql-server installed but it's not actually running. |
| 16:56 | <bma> | Snow-Man: sucka :) |
| 16:56 | <Snow-Man> | Oh, ffs, am I gonna have some stupid problem with mysql wanting to be on /var? |
| 16:57 | <Snow-Man> | mdz: Hey, how big does the mysql db get? |
| 16:57 | <thor_> | Chutt, bad X requests seems to happen on everything except Spectrum and Gears |
| 16:57 | <thor_> | and blank |
| 16:58 | <mdz> | Snow-Man: it's tiny |
| 16:58 | <Snow-Man> | alright, maybe that's ok then. :) |
| 16:58 | <mdz> | Snow-Man: 14M /var/lib/mysql/mythconverg |
| 16:58 | <Snow-Man> | Alright, now why does aptitude want to install alot more files than apt-get? |
| 16:59 | <mdz> | aptitude installs recommends by default |
| 16:59 | <Snow-Man> | I thought apt-get did that now too but maybe not. |
| 17:00 | <Snow-Man> | It's kind of weird actually. |
| 17:00 | <Snow-Man> | Things must be getting pulled in due to dependencies too. |
| 17:00 | <Snow-Man> | Oh well, it's a big computer, why not? |
| 17:00 | <mdz> | heh, weird to see recommends being implemented the way they were designed |
| 17:00 | <bma> | hmm |
| 17:00 | <bma> | blockbuster should rent out the B5 season dvds, so I could rip them |
| 17:01 | * Snow-Man | wonders about mythtv-doc not being on the recommended list. |
| 17:01 | <mdz> | Snow-Man: reportbug :-P |
| 17:01 | <Snow-Man> | haha. |
| 17:02 | * Snow-Man | just installs all the myth packages. |
| 17:02 | <bma> | if they're unofficial, you probably wouldn't want to use reportbug, no? :P |
| 17:02 | <mdz> | Snow-Man: actually don't bother, I just added it |
| 17:02 | <bma> | Many Washington area residents may find their sleep interrupted by the roar of Air Force F-16 fighters tonight as the Pentagon conducts a 90-minute air patrol exercise to test federal procedures for identifying and confronting hostile aircraft, defense officials said yesterday. |
| 17:02 | <mdz> | bma: reportbug is smart about these things |
| 17:02 | <bma> | just what I need |
| 17:02 | <mdz> | the packages have a Bugs: control header |
| 17:02 | <thor_> | I dind't hear any |
| 17:02 | <Snow-Man> | reportbug will actually add the package kinda, won't it? |
| 17:02 | <mdz> | which causes bug reports to be mailed to me instead of the BTS |
| 17:03 | <Snow-Man> | oh, hah. |
| 17:03 | <mdz> | but so far not a single person has used it |
| 17:03 | <Snow-Man> | haha. |
| 17:03 | <bma> | mdz: oh neat. |
| 17:03 | <vektor> | mdz: It's hard to get users to report bugs. |
| 17:03 | <Snow-Man> | Wheeee. |
| 17:03 | <mdz> | vektor: no, it's hard to get users to report bugs _correctly_ |
| 17:03 | <bma> | mdz: well since I don't use mythtv you wont' hear from me :) |
| 17:03 | <vektor> | In almost all cases they try and find a workaround more than report it. |
| 17:03 | <Snow-Man> | Chutt: Write smaller programs damnit! |
| 17:04 | <mdz> | vektor: or else they don't encounter any problems, so you don't get any feedback. bastards! |
| 17:04 | <Snow-Man> | Espceially when they can't go into the archive and get downloaded with my mirror sync. |
| 17:04 | <Snow-Man> | mdz: Do I have to remove all the old mythtv source-installed files or just the ones listed by debconf? |
| 17:05 | <mdz> | bma: are you bma@d.o? |
| 17:05 | <Snow-Man> | 'cause, like, I have nfc what's out there anyway. :) |
| 17:05 | <bma> | mdz: yup |
| 17:05 | <Snow-Man> | Yeah, he's that bastard. |
| 17:05 | <Snow-Man> | :) |
| 17:05 | <PeteCool> | mdz: you want feedback? here's feedback: Myth works great! =) |
| 17:05 | <bma> | what'd I do now? |
| 17:05 | <mdz> | getting crowded with Debian folks in here |
| 17:05 | <bma> | mdz: chutt actually was my first upstream maintainer... emusic :-P |
| 17:05 | <mdz> | Snow-Man: I just had it look for the most common trouble-makers |
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| 17:05 | <mdz> | Snow-Man: anything that's in $PATH or the library search path needs to go |
| 17:05 | <Snow-Man> | hmm, ok, I nuked some other stuffs. |
| 17:06 | * Snow-Man | does a *myth* find. |
| 17:06 | <bigguy> | bma: heh yet another person I haven't seen in ages |
| 17:06 | <Snow-Man> | mdz: So if I package that thingy I suppose I send it to you, eh? :) |
| 17:06 | <PeteCool> | mdz: oh wait, you meant about the debian packages, I guess... I won't be using those for a while, I think |
| 17:07 | <mdz> | Snow-Man: if you want |
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| 17:07 | <mdz> | I guess it'd be nice to have a single repository |
| 17:07 | <mdz> | it'd be nicer to have it in the fucking distribution |
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| 17:07 | <Snow-Man> | mdz: Certainly. |
| 17:07 | <Snow-Man> | I sometimes wonder if we shouldn't just make marillat's thing 'semi-official'. ;) |
| 17:08 | <bigguy> | bma: how are you and the wife doing? |
| 17:08 | <radsaq> | hello, I'm not a debian developer but I play one on tv |
| 17:08 | <Snow-Man> | Oh, bother, this doesn't look good. |
| 17:08 | <Snow-Man> | radsaq: yer ugly too. |
| 17:08 | <bigguy> | lo radsaq |
| 17:08 | <radsaq> | no I'm not :( |
| 17:08 | <radsaq> | hi bigguy |
| 17:08 | <bma> | bigguy: doing well :) |
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| 17:09 | <bigguy> | Snow-Man: is what I here about you procreating true? |
| 17:10 | <Snow-Man> | bigguy: Check the blog. :) |
| 17:10 | <bma> | bigguy: yea, he's got a cute little stinker :) |
| 17:10 | <Snow-Man> | hehe. |
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| 17:10 | <bigguy> | congrats |
| 17:10 | <bigguy> | hmm |
| 17:11 | <Snow-Man> | Thanks. |
| 17:11 | <bigguy> | www.snow-man.net? |
| 17:11 | * Snow-Man | waits for this find to finish. |
| 17:11 | <Snow-Man> | No dash in the domain. |
| 17:11 | <bigguy> | heh |
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| 17:12 | <bigguy> | the only other one I haven't seen in eons is ljlane |
| 17:12 | <Snow-Man> | Anyone know if mythtv supports the DC10plus reasonably well? |
| 17:13 | <bigguy> | does it have v4l dritvers? |
| 17:13 | <Snow-Man> | yea, but you never know. |
| 17:13 | <bigguy> | I knowerm |
| 17:13 | <Snow-Man> | Or at lesat, I don't. |
| 17:14 | <bma> | bigguy: he's around :) |
| 17:14 | <bigguy> | bma: heh I noticed just did a /whois |
| 17:15 | <bigguy> | oh my GOD |
| 17:15 | <Snow-Man> | Alright, I think I've removed all the remnants. |
| 17:15 | <bigguy> | Snow-Man looks just like my uncle in these pics |
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| 17:16 | <Snow-Man> | Gee, great. |
| 17:16 | <Snow-Man> | erm, I don't have any images for mythgallery. |
| 17:16 | <Snow-Man> | ewps. |
| 17:16 | * Snow-Man | goes and finds some. |
| 17:17 | <radsaq> | pfffft like we'll belive that |
| 17:17 | <Snow-Man> | Ah, shit, like I know the root password to mysql. |
| 17:17 | <Snow-Man> | Oh, well, maybe I do. |
| 17:18 | <Snow-Man> | bleh, mythtv-setup is kinda silly. |
| 17:18 | <PeteCool> | Snow-Man: seems I can't connect to your website anymore |
| 17:18 | <Snow-Man> | Failed to connect to database: Access denied for user: 'mythtv@localhost' (Using password: YES) at -e line 10, <> line 1. |
| 17:19 | <Snow-Man> | That's no good. |
| 17:19 | <Snow-Man> | PeteCool: Did you do something naughty? |
| 17:19 | <PeteCool> | Snow-Man: not yet |
| 17:19 | <Snow-Man> | haha. |
| 17:19 | <moegreen> | thor_: i committed the cutDown fix, can you try it out on your MythMusic stuff? I was getting a compile error while compiling mythmusic |
| 17:20 | <PeteCool> | Snow-Man: I could a few minutes ago |
| 17:20 | <bigguy> | well I'm afk for a few hours. got things to do |
| 17:20 | <mdz> | Snow-Man: that means you didn't read README.Debian |
| 17:20 | <PeteCool> | Snow-Man: I wanted to see pictures of your baby =) But since I tried doing that, can't connect |
| 17:20 | <Snow-Man> | mdz: It hadn't been installed yet... |
| 17:20 | <thor_> | moegreen, ok |
| 17:21 | <mdz> | Snow-Man: when you got that error? |
| 17:21 | <thor_> | I've got some stuff to put into uitypes.cpp. Are you done for the time being with that? |
| 17:21 | <moegreen> | thor_: I hope to be : |
| 17:21 | <moegreen> | ) |
| 17:21 | <moegreen> | derrr, :) |
| 17:21 | <thor_> | k |
| 17:21 | <Snow-Man> | mdz: eh, it might have been, but still. That error was from a script run from dpkg as it was going through installing stuff after I answered the debconf questions. |
| 17:21 | <mdz> | Snow-Man: because the install scripts never try to connect as mythtv, unless you told it that the db admin was 'mythtv' instead of 'root' |
| 17:22 | <mdz> | which would be a very silly thing todo |
| 17:22 | <Snow-Man> | Nope, didn't tell it that. |
| 17:22 | <Snow-Man> | It asked me and I left it as root. |
| 17:22 | <Snow-Man> | Setting up mythgallery (0.8-2) ... |
| 17:22 | <Snow-Man> | It was from mythgallery tho, |
| 17:22 | <mdz> | ah, that |
| 17:22 | <mdz> | that I have no explanation for, then |
| 17:23 | <mdz> | it reads the username and password out of /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt |
| 17:23 | <mdz> | which, if you didn't get any errors from mythtv-database, are the username and password that were granted access to the db |
| 17:23 | <Snow-Man> | Well, my guess is that it was run before the mythtv stuff was run to set up the user because I was installing them at the same time. |
| 17:23 | <Snow-Man> | Setting up mythgallery (0.8-2) ... |
| 17:23 | <Snow-Man> | Failed to connect to database: Access denied for user: 'mythtv@localhost' (Using password: YES) at -e line 10, <> line 1. |
| 17:23 | <Snow-Man> | dpkg: error processing mythgallery (--configure): |
| 17:23 | <Snow-Man> | That was the order of things. |
| 17:23 | <Snow-Man> | subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 255 |
| 17:23 | <Snow-Man> | No error from mythtv-database. |
| 17:23 | <mdz> | ah, that is possible |
| 17:23 | <Snow-Man> | Setting up mythtv-database (0.8-12) ... |
| 17:23 | <mdz> | if mythtv-database hadn't happened yet |
| 17:24 | <Snow-Man> | It re-ran mythgallery and didn't bitch the 2nd time. |
| 17:24 | <mdz> | the database can be remote, so things can't really depend on it |
| 17:24 | <Snow-Man> | Reading extended state information... Done |
| 17:24 | <Snow-Man> | Memory fault |
| 17:24 | <Snow-Man> | Gotta love aptitude sometimes. |
| 17:24 | <mdz> | heh, known bug fixed in CVS |
| 17:25 | <Snow-Man> | Has anyone made it not redo the 'building dep tree' and shit when you exit yet? :) |
| 17:26 | <Snow-Man> | PeteCool: Can you connect now? |
| 17:26 | <mdz> | dunno |
| 17:26 | <mdz> | but I asked about that bug and was told that it was fixed |
| 17:26 | <Snow-Man> | oh, ok. |
| 17:27 | <Snow-Man> | well, anyhow. |
| 17:27 | <Chutt> | snowman, stuff's not going to run without a tuner card |
| 17:27 | <PeteCool> | Snow-Man: yes, it works now |
| 17:27 | <Chutt> | and you need to be using cvs for all the better features :p |
| 17:27 | <Snow-Man> | Chutt: I've got a tuner card. |
| 17:27 | <Snow-Man> | Chutt: Ah, shit. |
| 17:27 | <Snow-Man> | mdz: What, no CVS debs? :) |
| 17:27 | <Snow-Man> | PeteCool: cool. |
| 17:28 | <Chutt> | no cvs binaries |
| 17:28 | <Chutt> | bad :p |
| 17:28 | <bma> | heh |
| 17:28 | <bma> | chutt speaks |
| 17:29 | <mdz> | Snow-Man: it is forbidden |
| 17:29 | * bma | considers making cvs binaries just to piss chutt off |
| 17:29 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 17:29 | <mdz> | not that I would do it anyway; I get too much mail as it is |
| 17:29 | <Chutt> | i've threatened to remove anon cvs access if people do that :p |
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| 17:29 | <bma> | Chutt: does mythtv have wishlists or something like tivo's seasonpass? |
| 17:29 | <mdz> | "I can't figure out how to install the package" is enough without "hey there are bugs in the CVS version!" |
| 17:29 | <thor_> | Chutt, got a work around for the X Bad Window stuff. MMusic is really solid now |
| 17:29 | <Chutt> | thor, cool |
| 17:30 | <thor_> | init with Blank, set actual vis when the playlist timer fires |
| 17:30 | <Chutt> | bma, http://mythtv.sourceforge.net/mc/epg-info.png |
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| 17:31 | <Captain_Murdoch_> | Chutt: nevermind that email I sent to you, we shot enough holes in it on the mailing list I think. |
| 17:31 | <Snow-Man> | God damn that's annoying. |
| 17:31 | <bma> | Chutt: neat. wishlist? |
| 17:31 | <Snow-Man> | mdz: bah. |
| 17:32 | <Chutt> | no wishlist |
| 17:32 | <Chutt> | captain_murdoch, heh, ok =) |
| 17:32 | <bma> | suckage :) |
| 17:32 | <Snow-Man> | I can give you a bloody wishlist: don't make the damn setup thing full-screen like that. |
| 17:32 | <mdz> | hehe |
| 17:32 | <bma> | Chutt: do you have xmltv files around from this morning? |
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| 17:32 | <bma> | if so, tell me what was playing on scifi at 9am |
| 17:32 | <Snow-Man> | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/bin/tv_grab_uk line 130. |
| 17:32 | <Snow-Man> | Can't locate object method "new" via package "XMLTV::ZapListings" at /usr/bin/tv_grab_na line 869. |
| 17:32 | <Snow-Man> | ugh/ |
| 17:32 | <Snow-Man> | I was wondering wtf was going on there. |
| 17:33 | <mdz> | the setup utility uses the same code as the stuff which is meant to display on the TV |
| 17:33 | <Snow-Man> | I guess I need to apt-get install xmltv |
| 17:33 | <Chutt> | bma, i don't have anything handy right now |
| 17:33 | <Snow-Man> | The setup utility should figure out if it's X or TV. :) |
| 17:33 | <bma> | Chutt: that's ok, i was just curious as to why b5 wasn't on this morning |
| 17:33 | <Captain_Murdoch_> | Babylon 5: The Fall of Night (SciFi) |
| 17:34 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 17:34 | <Captain_Murdoch_> | courtesy of mythweb. |
| 17:34 | <Snow-Man> | Can't continue after import errors at /usr/share/perl5/XMLTV/Europe_TZ.pm line 12 |
| 17:34 | <Snow-Man> | grrrr. |
| 17:34 | <bma> | oh well |
| 17:34 | <bma> | time to head out |
| 17:34 | <bma> | or not] |
| 17:34 | <Snow-Man> | "tz_to_num" is not exported by the XMLTV::TZ module |
| 17:34 | <Snow-Man> | And that too. |
| 17:34 | <bma> | Captain_Murdoch_: how about tomorrow at the same time? |
| 17:35 | <mdz> | Snow-Man: whaa? |
| 17:35 | <mdz> | Snow-Man: how the hell did you have a /usr/bin/tv_grab_uk without xmltv? |
| 17:35 | <Captain_Murdoch_> | Babylon 5: Matters of Honor (SciFi) |
| 17:35 | <Snow-Man> | Got me, I just installed xmltv and am still hitting problems tho. |
| 17:35 | <mdz> | or a /usr/bin/tv_grab_na? |
| 17:35 | <bma> | ok, looks like dish has bumped the episode back a day for some reason |
| 17:36 | <mdz> | if you find out where those files came from, that will probably reveal the mystery |
| 17:36 | <mdz> | you had stuff installed from source before |
| 17:36 | <Snow-Man> | xmltv-util: /usr/bin/tv_grab_uk |
| 17:36 | <Snow-Man> | ? |
| 17:36 | <mdz> | perhaps you let CPAN scribble all over your system? |
| 17:36 | <Snow-Man> | Possible. |
| 17:36 | <Captain_Murdoch_> | yeah, I noticed a while back something on SciFi that was different on my dish than what was on on cable at the time. |
| 17:36 | <thor_> | moegreen, no problems compiling here ... what error are you getting? Cutdown seems to work fine. |
| 17:37 | <mdz> | Snow-Man: xmltv is just a metapackage; xmltv-util (which is depended upon by the mythtv stuff) has everything you need |
| 17:37 | <Snow-Man> | Looks like I might have installed it before but I just installed the deb... |
| 17:37 | <mdz> | maybe you have way old versions of some xmltv stuff installed |
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| 17:37 | <Snow-Man> | Already got xmltv-util installed and it was installed after... |
| 17:37 | <Snow-Man> | ugh. |
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| 17:37 | <vektor> | neat, wired news article on mythtv? |
| 17:37 | <moegreen> | thor_: it's working now, it was something with a header |
| 17:37 | <Snow-Man> | vektor: yea. |
| 17:37 | <vektor> | funky. |
| 17:38 | * Snow-Man | kicks off another find, blah. |
| 17:38 | <FryGuy> | locate is better |
| 17:49 | <Snow-Man> | There we go. |
| 17:53 | <Snow-Man> | removing conflicting program: 88 Naughty Amateur Home Videos: Busy Beavers 20030605220000-20030605230000 |
| 17:53 | <Snow-Man> | conflicted with : 88 Behind the Scenes: La Femme: Nikita Denise 20030605223000- |
| 17:53 | <Snow-Man> | uh-huh. |
| 17:55 | <mdz> | Snow-Man: that happens sometimes |
| 17:55 | <mdz> | I guess that's what happens when your only source of program data is scraping websites |
| 17:55 | <Snow-Man> | scraping websites? |
| 17:56 | <Snow-Man> | Oh, you mean scouring I guess. |
| 17:57 | <Snow-Man> | INSERT INTO programrating (chanid,starttime,system,rating) VALUES (1088, "20030604223000", "VCHIP", "MA"); |
| 17:57 | <Snow-Man> | Driver error was: |
| 17:57 | <Snow-Man> | QMYSQL3: Unable to execute query |
| 17:57 | <Snow-Man> | Database error was: |
| 17:57 | <Snow-Man> | Duplicate entry '1088-20030604223000-VCHIP-MA' for key 1 |
| 17:57 | <Snow-Man> | huh. |
| 17:58 | * Snow-Man | waits for this thing to finish. |
| 17:58 | <Snow-Man> | Then I need to install another tuner card. |
| 17:58 | <Snow-Man> | Which I have to find. |
| 18:00 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 18:00 | <Chutt> | still using that mjpeg card? |
| 18:02 | <Snow-Man> | I have that (the DC10Plus) but I've got another card around here somewhere. |
| 18:02 | <Chutt> | a real tuner card'll be better |
| 18:02 | <Chutt> | i don't know how well the mjpeg stuff works anymore |
| 18:03 | <Snow-Man> | Well, the mjpeg card does svideo which I think you can read directly..? |
| 18:05 | <Snow-Man> | afk |
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| 19:14 | <hachi> | yay, the hard drive in my mythtv box just failed... good job maxtor |
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| 20:08 | <Snow-Man> | Any clue about support for a Pinnacle Systems TV card? I think it's actually a bttv thing. |
| 20:08 | <Snow-Man> | I'm guessing it's supported under V4L. |
| 20:14 | <PeteCool> | Snow-Man: look in the bttv directory in the kernel source, the full list of all supported cards is there |
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| 20:46 | <Chutt> | blah |
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| 20:46 | <Chutt> | rkulagow, that guy that quoted the wired guy $1200 looks to be wanting to build with 2 pvr-350s |
| 20:47 | <Chutt> | which is, well, stupid =) |
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| 20:48 | <john> | hey guys. |
| 20:48 | <rkulagow> | sure sounds like overkill. |
| 20:49 | <radsaq> | Chutt, wasn't your original mythtv machine $400 or something? |
| 20:49 | <Chutt> | i probably spent 600 or so total |
| 20:49 | <radsaq> | ah |
| 20:50 | <rkulagow> | but then again, he hasn't built a box yet, and i don't think i've seen him on the list yet. |
| 20:50 | <Chutt> | right |
| 20:50 | <rkulagow> | i now see that there's no physical way to get two PVR-250 cards into a pundit. |
| 20:50 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 20:51 | <Chutt> | too big? |
| 20:51 | <Chutt> | is it the height, or something else? |
| 20:51 | <rkulagow> | yep - pundit has a pci riser; and the second card just won't fit. |
| 20:51 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 20:51 | <Chutt> | you get that all working yet? |
| 20:51 | <john> | hey I just got tv-out working on my voodoo3 :P and I am working on getting mythtv to work for my tivo card. |
| 20:52 | <john> | I've got it all installed and stuff but when I run it, I get some error (I probably missed some steps somewhere) QSqlDatabase warning: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded. |
| 20:53 | <thor_> | need mysql modules for QT |
| 20:53 | <john> | I think I do have them |
| 20:53 | <thor_> | seems unlikely |
| 20:53 | <john> | I have mysql service started |
| 20:53 | <rkulagow> | if you've seen a pundit, the orientation is narrow and tall; the MB is vertical. the riser card is at a 90 angle and the cards are at 90 angle to _that_, and so the cards are effectively upside down. problem is that there's not enough room in the case. for the second card. would fit if the card didn't extend past the top of the bracket, but PVR250's are taller than that |
| 20:53 | <rkulagow> | i've seen some of the new CX23881 cards are tiny; barely bigger than the tuner. those'll fit. |
| 20:53 | <rkulagow> | i've seen some of the new CX23881 cards are tiny; barely bigger than the tuner. those'll fit. |
| 20:54 | <john> | this sorta, sucks, while I was getting tv-out working my roomate was working on myth tv, and now he's asleep and I am trying to pick up where he left off |
| 20:54 | <rkulagow> | pundit is operational, has Mandrake 9.1 loaded. didn't have to install anything off the asus website like i've seen some of the redhat folks talking about. |
| 20:54 | <rkulagow> | (for the network driver) |
| 20:55 | <john> | thor_: can you help me then? |
| 20:55 | <rkulagow> | i'll finish installing mythtv tonight on it; spent the whole day configuring a firewall to replace the old linksys i had. |
| 20:55 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 20:55 | <thor_> | john, QMYSQL3 driver not loaded. means pretty much what it says |
| 20:56 | <john> | thor_: I searched for qsql because I thought it might be relivant, /usr/include/qt/qsql.h |
| 20:56 | <rkulagow> | so, did i miss anything? saw that we're now famous, courtesy of wired. |
| 20:56 | <john> | I think it's there it's just not loaded or running or something |
| 20:57 | <john> | I don't mean to ask stupid questions, but how do I get this driver loaded? is it a kernel module? is it just some service that needs to be started or what? |
| 20:57 | <rkulagow__> | john: did you read the excellent HOWTO document? |
| 20:57 | <rkulagow__> | =) for the regulars |
| 20:57 | <john> | my roomate set everything up, up to this point |
| 20:57 | <john> | I am trying to gather the loose ends |
| 20:57 | <john> | where can I find it? |
| 20:58 | <rkulagow__> | documentation link right off the mythtv.org website. |
| 20:58 | <thor_> | http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythInstall |
| 20:58 | <john> | k |
| 20:58 | <rkulagow__> | thor: i should program a macro for that or something. |
| 20:59 | <thor_> | rkulagow, that would be a good idea. How's the pundit? |
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| 21:00 | <rkulagow> | it's sweet. 1) it doesn't look like a computer, so it blends really well as a frontend with A/V crap. 2) it's _quiet_. cons: 1) case is _very very_ tight. |
| 21:01 | <thor_> | two questions (1) can you take the feet off and put it on its side? |
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| 21:01 | <thor_> | (2) does it look sensible like that? |
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| 21:11 | <rkulagow> | well, let me check. hold on. |
| 21:14 | <rkulagow> | well, there's a tab on the foot that says "open" with an arrow pointing forwards, so i guess you could take it off. |
| 21:18 | <thor_> | without taking it off, is the bottom (which would become the side) finished? |
| 21:20 | <rkulagow> | thor: it's got lots of vent holes in it. |
| 21:20 | <thor_> | hrm |
| 21:20 | <rkulagow> | it's really built to be vertical, but if you don't mind the vent holes and can have them "hidden" then there's nothing that keeps you from using it lying flat vs. standing up. |
| 21:21 | <thor_> | would mess with the buddhist calm of my living room =) |
| 21:22 | <thor_> | looks like next one will be the Cool Master 620 |
| 21:22 | <rkulagow> | wait, check that. there's not enough clearance for the door that hides all the front mounted ports and pc card, smart media, etc bay. if it wire lying on it's side it needs to be raised about 1/2" for clearance |
| 21:22 | <rkulagow> | "were", not "wire" |
| 21:22 | <thor_> | got you, thanks. |
| 21:23 | <rkulagow> | NP. now i just need to sneak it into the living room. =) |
| 21:23 | <thor_> | someone to run MIL interference? |
| 21:25 | <rkulagow> | MIL providing cover fire so the wife keeps her head down. |
| 21:27 | <thor_> | factoid; if you remove one "};" from a class defintion in uitypes.h **very** strange things happen to gcc |
| 21:29 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 21:29 | <rkulagow> | chutt: is the CVS server off, or did i forget my password? |
| 21:30 | <Chutt> | it should be on |
| 21:30 | <Chutt> | might be slow, though |
| 21:30 | <rkulagow> | (getting lots of connection refused messages) |
| 21:30 | <rkulagow> | wired |
| 21:30 | <Chutt> | yeah, it's on |
| 21:30 | <Chutt> | least the light is |
| 21:31 | <thor_> | I just checked out a library (see factoid, above) |
| 21:31 | <john> | I don't understand, I wen't through the doc, looked like my roomate was using the same one, and this is where he left off when he went to sleep. I have the whole mysql thing set up and I loaded the mc.sql thing into it |
| 21:32 | <thor_> | john, but qt can't talk to mysql |
| 21:32 | <john> | is that a problem from the compilation? |
| 21:33 | <john> | or do I need to load something? |
| 21:33 | <thor_> | you need qt built with mysql modules ... (sigh) which distribution of Linux? |
| 21:33 | <john> | debian |
| 21:33 | <thor_> | hang on |
| 21:33 | <john> | thanks |
| 21:33 | <Chutt> | qt3-mysql-mt |
| 21:34 | <Chutt> | or something along those lines |
| 21:34 | <john> | one sec. |
| 21:35 | <john> | ok cool |
| 21:35 | <john> | but I have a different problem now :) |
| 21:35 | <john> | couldn't connect to the backend server |
| 21:36 | <PeteCool> | john: did you start the backend? |
| 21:36 | <john> | lol... I am trying to figure this out |
| 21:36 | <john> | I didn't know there was a backend |
| 21:36 | <PeteCool> | mythbackend & |
| 21:36 | <john> | k |
| 21:37 | <Chutt> | read the docs |
| 21:37 | <john> | yeah |
| 21:37 | <john> | I think I am just so anxious to run it, that I am trying to cut the corners |
| 21:38 | <thor_> | john, also consider pouring coffee into your roomate |
| 21:38 | <john> | hehe |
| 21:38 | <john> | he sorta ticked me off |
| 21:38 | <thor_> | ok, battery acid then |
| 21:39 | <john> | he went off compiling source to install everything\ |
| 21:39 | <PeteCool> | cutting corners won't help |
| 21:39 | <john> | without bothering to set up the install directories and stuff |
| 21:39 | <john> | this being debian, it would have helped if he would have used debian packaged |
| 21:39 | <john> | err packages |
| 21:41 | <john> | he found a way to get a mythtv debian package but by then he'd already installed qtsql stuff by source, and then the mythtv package said it needed the qtsql stuff so he's all I give up and the compiling source cascaded |
| 21:42 | <john> | so now there is shit that's not managed by any package manager all over the system, and not even in the proper directories |
| 21:42 | <PeteCool> | john: make uninstall in the source directories should help |
| 21:42 | <john> | :>) |
| 21:42 | <john> | err >:) |
| 21:43 | <Chutt> | you definitely don't want a hand-compiled qt in there |
| 21:44 | <john> | he just decided to use linux like a week ago |
| 21:44 | <john> | and he uses gento so he's all into compiling stuff |
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| 21:45 | <john> | thing is, gento manages the source you get, so it knows the packages and versions,... but for things like debian it just messes everything up |
| 21:45 | <thor_> | oh yes ... there are times when I'm not an idiot ... |
| 21:45 | <john> | sorry |
| 21:46 | <john> | I was just stating the facts to make a point however obvious they may have been |
| 21:46 | <thor_> | no, that has nothing to do with your thread, I just figured out how to implement something |
| 21:46 | <thor_> | talking out loud |
| 21:46 | <john> | oh |
| 21:46 | <john> | :P |
| 21:48 | <thor_> | you can now select any node in a tree, and it will play all leaf nodes *and* respect the current ordering |
| 21:48 | <thor_> | hot diggity |
| 21:48 | <john> | woot :P |
| 21:49 | <rkulagow__> | hrmm. still getting connection refused from the cvs box... |
| 21:55 | <Thelonius> | Chutt, have you seen that new software/hardware assisted encoding capability for ati AIW cards? |
| 21:56 | <Chutt> | aiw cards will not work due to crappy drivers |
| 22:01 | <john> | I love it when things work! |
| 22:02 | <john> | I am pretty new to linux, but I've spent a lot of time trying to compile good kernels, to adequately support my hardward, and I only just now realized how much time lspci would have saved me. |
| 22:07 | <bma> | moo |
| 22:07 | <bma> | ok, so the one-for-all ucr 6163 is a kickass remote |
| 22:07 | <Chutt> | bma, i have a urc-8800 |
| 22:07 | <Chutt> | have for a couple years |
| 22:08 | <PeteCool> | Chutt, bma: as what do you set your remote, if you use them with LIRC: vcr, tv, sat, which brand? |
| 22:10 | <Chutt> | i just use the remote that came with my pvr-250 for now |
| 22:11 | <bma> | Chutt: this one finallyw orks with everything - dvd, vcr, pvr, boombox, tv |
| 22:11 | <bma> | so I can use one remote instead of 2 or 3 :p |
| 22:11 | <Chutt> | bma, that's exactly why i have mine |
| 22:11 | <bma> | Chutt: this one even has tivo buttons ;) |
| 22:12 | <Chutt> | turns on everything |
| 22:12 | <bma> | yep. |
| 22:12 | <Chutt> | turns off everything |
| 22:12 | <bma> | plus it's nice and small |
| 22:12 | <Chutt> | all with one button |
| 22:12 | <bma> | not fucking huge like the learning remotes |
| 22:12 | <bma> | PeteCool: I don't use lirc |
| 22:12 | <bma> | i don't even use mythtv |
| 22:12 | <bma> | Chutt: plus, it was CHEAP. $17 at circuit city |
| 22:13 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 22:13 | <Chutt> | let's see, i think i spent $80 on this one like 3 or 4 years ago :p |
| 22:13 | <bma> | heh |
| 22:13 | <john> | I am looking at the video4linux stuff in my kernel, and I have a bt878 controller, but all I can see is the 848 |
| 22:14 | <bma> | anyways, I'm happy :) |
| 22:14 | <john> | do I need a kernel patch or does the 848 support the 878? |
| 22:14 | <bma> | it was realy annoying for a long time because the dish remote didn't have a dvd option, adn the dvd remote didnt' work with my boombox (which the dvd player is hooked up to) |
| 22:15 | <vektor> | john: It's the same driver, the bttv driver. |
| 22:15 | <john> | cool |
| 22:15 | <john> | thanks |
| 22:15 | <vektor> | It should be in the kernel from your distribution already. |
| 22:16 | <vektor> | You shouldn't need to build your own kernel. |
| 22:16 | <john> | I am compiling my own |
| 22:16 | <vektor> | Why would you do that, if you don't mind me asking? |
| 22:16 | <john> | a bunch of small reasons |
| 22:16 | <john> | I fell it more adequately supports my hardware |
| 22:17 | <john> | certain things I would rather compile in than leave as modules |
| 22:17 | <john> | and visa versa |
| 22:17 | <john> | but also because I can support a newer kernel this way |
| 22:19 | <john> | I started the habbit working on my ibook because it needed so many things that weren't mainstream |
| 22:20 | <john> | another example is that the kernel with my distro didn't have i2c-voodoo3 drivers |
| 22:20 | <john> | brb |
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| 22:25 | <bline> | what bitrate do you guys use for the pvr250? |
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| 22:26 | <john> | hey |
| 22:30 | <Chutt> | bline, i've been using 4.5/6 |
| 22:30 | <Chutt> | bline, and, after 0.9, might i possibly take you up on the anon cvs hosting offer? |
| 22:31 | <mdz_> | Chutt: want your pipe back? |
| 22:31 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 22:31 | <Chutt> | it's been getting bad recently |
| 22:32 | <Chutt> | rkulagow, other people are using it, btw =) |
| 22:32 | <mdz_> | Chutt: are you going to move it completely, or set up a read-only pserver mirror? |
| 22:32 | <bline> | Chutt: I've thems seem pretty nice at 3/8 for me at 1.4G/h |
| 22:33 | <rkulagow__> | chutt: yeah, that's what i figured. |
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| 22:33 | <bline> | wow, that sentance was messed |
| 22:33 | <Chutt> | mdz, read only |
| 22:33 | <bline> | heh |
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| 22:33 | <rkulagow__> | chutt: thought it was my new firewall setup, but guess not. |
| 22:33 | <rkulagow__> | guess the pundit will have to wait until things calm down a little. |
| 22:33 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 22:33 | <bline> | s/I've thems/things/ |
| 22:33 | <bline> | too much rum |
| 22:34 | <Chutt> | bline, heh |
| 22:34 | <Chutt> | bline, i think the peak bitrate should be lower, though |
| 22:34 | <bline> | Chutt: Ok, let me know when you want it setup |
| 22:34 | <Chutt> | well, not until next week |
| 22:34 | <bline> | The average bitrate comes to 3.4 |
| 22:34 | <Chutt> | is that ok, though? |
| 22:34 | <bline> | Sure, fine. |
| 22:35 | <Chutt> | positive? |
| 22:35 | <Chutt> | won't be that much traffic, but.. |
| 22:35 | <bline> | No, but I will be in after I call alex. |
| 22:35 | <Chutt> | ok, cool |
| 22:36 | * AndreasB | ll go to bed |
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| 22:36 | <Chutt> | no rush at all =) |
| 22:36 | <Chutt> | since i'm horribly busy at the moment anyway |
| 22:37 | <bline> | grr, he's not answering. But I'm sure it will be fine |
| 22:50 | <mdz_> | that guy on the mailing list who claims that -mmmx cut his CPU usage in half is off his rocker |
| 22:51 | <Snow-Man> | Anyone running nvidia stuff here? |
| 22:51 | <mdz_> | "I reinstalled the entire OS on a machine that was pretty much the same and changed this compiler flag" |
| 22:51 | <mdz_> | Snow-Man: yes |
| 22:51 | <Snow-Man> | Requested Entity already in use! |
| 22:51 | <Snow-Man> | nvidia README wrong about dual-head ability or something in my config? |
| 22:51 | <mdz_> | ah, I use the xfree86 driver |
| 22:51 | <Snow-Man> | Damn. |
| 22:51 | <mdz_> | I believe Chutt uses the binary |
| 22:51 | <Snow-Man> | Chutt wasn't being very helpful. |
| 22:51 | <Snow-Man> | He sucks like that. |
| 22:51 | <Snow-Man> | :) |
| 22:51 | <Chutt> | i don't use it in tiwnview mode |
| 22:51 | <bline> | I know something about it |
| 22:52 | <Snow-Man> | It's not twinview actually. |
| 22:52 | <Snow-Man> | bline: ? |
| 22:52 | <bline> | It works wuithout twinview |
| 22:52 | <bline> | but it's picky, you can't have other sections in the config file other than the ones it wants |
| 22:52 | <Snow-Man> | I don't think I do.. |
| 22:53 | <Chutt> | he wants to have a normal desktop with mythtv on the tv out |
| 22:53 | <bline> | iI have that |
| 22:53 | <bline> | s/l// |
| 22:53 | <Snow-Man> | Can you put up your X config somewhere? |
| 22:53 | <bline> | mythtv is the second screen |
| 22:53 | <Snow-Man> | right |
| 22:53 | <bline> | running under windowmaker |
| 22:54 | <bline> | yeah |
| 22:54 | <Snow-Man> | Whatever, I just need the X config. :) |
| 22:55 | <bline> | http://24.84.93.233/XF86Config |
| 22:56 | <vektor> | bline: Weirdass modes for your TV out... |
| 22:56 | <bline> | vektor: trial and error |
| 22:56 | <vektor> | I think you'd have done better to do it properly. |
| 22:56 | <bline> | actually, I think those were generated by some script |
| 22:56 | <vektor> | I think you'd have done better to do it properly. |
| 22:57 | <bline> | Properly? |
| 22:57 | <vektor> | Well, something with some plausible technical reason for what you're doing. |
| 22:58 | <vektor> | Like, 'I got this from the datasheet for the TV encoder chip found on my card', or 'given this mode, I have a 1-1 scanline-to-scanline mapping from the input to the TV scanlines'. |
| 22:58 | <bline> | Like I said, they were generated by some script. I can't remember the script now but I believe it was recomended by the nvidia README |
| 22:59 | <vektor> | They don't seem to make any sense. It's like you're trying to get close to what would be easiest for the TV encoder, but the numbers all seem 'wrong'. |
| 22:59 | <bline> | It was when I was trying to get different resolutions on this monitor. |
| 22:59 | <Snow-Man> | God damnit, same fucking thing. |
| 23:00 | <vektor> | Snow-Man: Post your X log where it dies. |
| 23:00 | <Chutt> | my cable is all crappy tonight |
| 23:00 | <bline> | vektor: Then I guess the program was broken, but my monitor is working correctly now so I guess it wasn't too broken. |
| 23:00 | <bline> | s/monitor/tv/ |
| 23:00 | <Snow-Man> | vektor: In a sec. |
| 23:01 | <Chutt> | snowman needs tech support |
| 23:01 | <bline> | heh |
| 23:01 | <Chutt> | he's kinda dumb |
| 23:02 | <Snow-Man> | http://snowman.net/XFree86.0.log |
| 23:02 | <Snow-Man> | Chutt: f u. :P |
| 23:02 | <bline> | "Requested Entity already in use!" |
| 23:02 | <vektor> | Snow-Man: And X isn't already running? |
| 23:03 | <Snow-Man> | vektor: Nope. |
| 23:03 | <Snow-Man> | bline: That would be the problem. |
| 23:03 | <vektor> | Snow-Man: Your NVIDIA driver is extremely ancient. |
| 23:03 | <bline> | my first thought was X is running |
| 23:03 | <Snow-Man> | erm. |
| 23:04 | <Snow-Man> | Hrmpf, I could have sworn I compiled/installed a new one since 2802.. |
| 23:05 | <vektor> | interesting. |
| 23:05 | <vektor> | so that is printed in the code when there's already an entity in the list ? hrn what does that mean... |
| 23:05 | <Chutt> | wow, that is an old driver |
| 23:06 | <Chutt> | he should still update the driver, first |
| 23:06 | <Chutt> | since it's ancient |
| 23:07 | <Snow-Man> | Working on it. |
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| 23:10 | <bline> | ugg, my system just locked |
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| 23:10 | * bline | goes through logs |
| 23:14 | <Snow-Man> | Right, so, log updated, new driver, same error. |
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| 23:15 | <bline> | try google groups |
| 23:15 | <bline> | with that error |
| 23:15 | <Snow-Man> | I was googleing before and it wasn't helping. |
| 23:15 | <Snow-Man> | ugh. |
| 23:16 | <bline> | maybe it's a hardware problem then. |
| 23:16 | <bline> | switch out the video card with a known working one. |
| 23:17 | <Snow-Man> | Uhm, somehow I doubt that's it. |
| 23:19 | <mdz_> | Chutt: I had two backend crashes yesterday :-/ Are yours all solid? |
| 23:19 | <Chutt> | since it's ancient |
| 23:19 | <Chutt> | erk |
| 23:19 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 23:19 | <Chutt> | silly up arrow |
| 23:19 | <bline> | heh |
| 23:21 | <Snow-Man> | bline: How do you start X? |
| 23:23 | <bline> | I use gdm currently |
| 23:23 | <bline> | before that I used my systems startx shell script |
| 23:23 | <Chutt> | mdz, any backtraces? |
| 23:23 | <Snow-Man> | What about stuff in .xserverrc and whatnot? What options? Any? |
| 23:24 | <bline> | I don't have a .xserverrc |
| 23:24 | <Snow-Man> | What version of X? |
| 23:24 | <bline> | I modified gdm to source ~/.Xinitrc |
| 23:24 | <bline> | 4.3.0 |
| 23:24 | <Chutt> | aw, crap, i didn't notice the 'ships in 2-3 weeks' on the book i ordered from amazon.ca |
| 23:24 | <mdz_> | Chutt: I wasn't around when they happened; I'm setting it up to save cores, but I've found that cores don't work too well in gdb with threads |
| 23:24 | <Snow-Man> | Do you think I need 4.3? |
| 23:25 | <bline> | I have no idea. |
| 23:25 | <Snow-Man> | ugh. |
| 23:25 | <Chutt> | mdz, and it's probably not smart to have it running in debug mode all the time, anyway |
| 23:25 | <bline> | I always keep up with current versions. |
| 23:26 | <Snow-Man> | damn, damn, damn. |
| 23:27 | <Snow-Man> | What kind of card have you got? |
| 23:28 | <mdz_> | what is this '-w' in CFLAGS? |
| 23:28 | <mdz_> | not -W, but -w |
| 23:28 | <PeteCool> | Snow-Man: what kind of card have you got? |
| 23:28 | <Snow-Man> | PeteCool: gf3, iirc. |
| 23:29 | <Snow-Man> | Do you think this might have something to do with the kernel agp stuff? |
| 23:29 | <bline> | Geforce2 |
| 23:29 | <mdz_> | that disables all warnings |
| 23:29 | <Snow-Man> | NVidia GeForce3 rev 163 |
| 23:31 | <Snow-Man> | NV20 |
| 23:31 | <Chutt> | mdz, for the libavcodec stuff? |
| 23:31 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 23:31 | <mdz_> | ah, yes, it is only for libavcodec |
| 23:31 | <Chutt> | got tired of the warnings in there |
| 23:31 | <mdz_> | where is that configured? |
| 23:31 | <Chutt> | didn't feel like fixing em |
| 23:31 | <Chutt> | there's a CONFIG += warn_off |
| 23:31 | <Chutt> | or something |
| 23:31 | <Chutt> | in libavcodec.pro |
| 23:32 | <mdz_> | well of course |
| 23:32 | <mdz_> | naturally searching for -w wouldn't find it :-P |
| 23:32 | <mdz_> | silly qmake stuff |
| 23:32 | <Chutt> | of course =) |
| 23:32 | <mdz_> | I'm going to do a build in 'release' mode with -g and no -fomit-frame-pointer and see how it does |
| 23:33 | <Chutt> | ok |
| 23:33 | <mdz_> | I need something debuggable that I can use full-time |
| 23:39 | <mdz_> | heh, myth builds are so slow on this box that I can watch everything go by |
| 23:39 | <mdz_> | see a warning |
| 23:39 | <mdz_> | and fix it before that module finishes compiling |
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| 23:47 | <mdz_> | Chutt: have you seen the same thing with cores+gdb+pthreads? |
| 23:47 | <mdz_> | it's like it doesn't know the program was threaded and only shows you one |
| 23:47 | <mdz_> | the same gdb works fine on a running process |
| 23:48 | <Chutt> | i dunno |
| 23:48 | <Chutt> | sometimes it works ok for cores |
| 23:48 | <Chutt> | sometimes it doesn't |
| 23:49 | <Snow-Man> | (WW) NVIDIA(0): 2 display devices connected, but only 1 supported; |
| 23:49 | <Snow-Man> | (WW) NVIDIA(0): adjusting... |
| 23:49 | <Snow-Man> | erm. |
| 23:49 | <Snow-Man> | I have a not-so-good feeling about that. |
| 23:49 | <Snow-Man> | Did the GF3's not support twinview? |
| 23:50 | <Chutt> | i dunno |
| 23:50 | <Snow-Man> | You know, I bet they didn't. |
| 23:50 | <Snow-Man> | God damnit. |
| 23:53 | <Snow-Man> | Do I have to run mythtv as the mythtv user? |
| 23:53 | <Chutt> | using the debs, i think, yes |
| 23:53 | <Snow-Man> | blah. |
| 23:53 | <Chutt> | i dunno, though |
| 23:53 | <Chutt> | i don't use the debs :p |
| 23:54 | <bline> | use brain; |
| 23:54 | <mdz_> | Snow-Man: README.Debian |
| 23:54 | <Snow-Man> | Starting to think I shouldn't be. |
| 23:54 | <bline> | you were not kidding Chutt |
| 23:54 | <Chutt> | probably should just've gone straight to the cvs release :p |
| 23:55 | <Snow-Man> | Seriously. |
| 23:55 | <radsaq> | why use your brain (or even documentation) when you can just ask Chutt? |
| 23:55 | <Snow-Man> | Could not connect to backend server |
| 23:55 | <Snow-Man> | grrr. |
| 23:55 | <john> | I am setting up the backend for the first time and it's asking me which video device to use |
| 23:56 | <john> | but the line is blank... |
| 23:56 | <bline> | start the backend server? |
| 23:56 | <john> | I don't know what to put there |
| 23:56 | <Snow-Man> | I think i broke it. |
| 23:57 | <bline> | john: it should be /dev/video0 or somesuch |
| 23:57 | <Snow-Man> | I just said 'watch tv' |
| 23:57 | <john> | bline: should they be listed? like the audio devices are? |
| 23:57 | <john> | or do I need to type it manually? |
| 23:58 | <Chutt> | snowman, you probably did |
| 23:58 | <bline> | john: you are running the setup program? |
| 23:58 | <john> | yeah |
| 23:58 | <john> | I don't have any /dev/video |
| 23:58 | <bline> | Mine is listed. Do you have a /dev/video0 on your system? |
| 23:58 | <Snow-Man> | Hrm, well, xawtv works. |
| 23:58 | <mdz_> | Snow-Man: could be almost anything; video capture, audio capture, audio output, audio duplex... |
| 23:59 | <Snow-Man> | yeah, yeah |
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| 23:59 | <Chutt> | what'd it do? |
| 23:59 | <john> | bline: ... yeah I don't seem to have any /dev/video0 or anything video anything for that matter |
