| 00:00 | <bline> | Chutt needs a 1800 support number |
| 00:00 | <Chutt> | snowman has my #, i think |
| 00:00 | <bline> | john: Well then you are probably not loading the driver for your card, what card is it? |
| 00:00 | <Chutt> | he sure as hell better not call me for tech support, though |
| 00:00 | <Chutt> | :p |
| 00:00 | <Snow-Man> | haha |
| 00:01 | <john> | it's a bt 878 |
| 00:01 | <Chutt> | oh, wait, if you had my number, that'dve been my old cell phone |
| 00:01 | <john> | I was curious about that |
| 00:01 | <Snow-Man> | Should I be running mythfrontend, mythtv, or what |
| 00:01 | <Snow-Man> | ? |
| 00:01 | <bline> | That's bttv isn't it? |
| 00:01 | <john> | I installed the kernel module for bt848 |
| 00:01 | <john> | yeah |
| 00:01 | <john> | bttv |
| 00:01 | <bline> | Did you load bttv? |
| 00:01 | <rkulagow__> | chutt: i'll add a 1800 number for support once i incorporate and start selling myth boxes. then i'll be rich! |
| 00:01 | <Chutt> | snowman, mythfrontend is the actual user interface bit |
| 00:01 | <john> | and I have it modprobed |
| 00:01 | <Snow-Man> | God damnit, the backend thing keeps dieing. |
| 00:01 | <bline> | but no /dev/video0 on your system? |
| 00:01 | <Chutt> | snowman, mythtv is just a player, it just goes straight to 'watch tv' mode |
| 00:02 | <john> | that's right |
| 00:02 | <Chutt> | snowman, i need more info, ya doink |
| 00:02 | <john> | one sec... |
| 00:02 | <bline> | john: check syslog |
| 00:02 | <john> | I remember seeing some weird stuff when I inserted it |
| 00:02 | <Snow-Man> | Does it log somewhere? |
| 00:02 | <john> | I just reinserted it and I am seeing some weird stuff |
| 00:02 | <Chutt> | well, what's it doing? |
| 00:03 | * bline | drinks some more rum =) |
| 00:03 | <john> | it says using it's tuner.o, bttv.o: post-install bttv failed, bttv.o: insmod bttv failed, BUT lsmod shows bttv |
| 00:03 | <Snow-Man> | Chutt: I run mythbackend and stuff. |
| 00:03 | <Snow-Man> | Chutt: Then run 'mythtv' |
| 00:03 | <Chutt> | ok.. |
| 00:03 | <Snow-Man> | It says |
| 00:03 | <Snow-Man> | connecting to backend server: 127.0.0.1:6543 |
| 00:03 | <Snow-Man> | and hangs |
| 00:04 | <Chutt> | allright |
| 00:04 | <Chutt> | what's the backend do? |
| 00:04 | <Snow-Man> | After which I check and mythbackend isn't running anymore. |
| 00:04 | <mdz_> | Chutt: so, I've got this debug build on |
| 00:04 | <bline> | john: well you need to check your options, make sure you have the correct tuner and card |
| 00:04 | <Chutt> | mdz, cool. |
| 00:04 | <Snow-Man> | lemme run it by hand or something. |
| 00:04 | <mdz_> | Chutt: and CPU usage is exactly the same |
| 00:04 | <Chutt> | snowman, yeah, run mythbackend in a term |
| 00:04 | <Snow-Man> | ERROR opening file '/data1/sfrost/mythtv/buffers/ringbuf1.nuv' in ThreadedFileWriter. |
| 00:04 | <Snow-Man> | hah. |
| 00:04 | <Chutt> | there we go :p |
| 00:04 | <Snow-Man> | Alright, sec. |
| 00:04 | <Snow-Man> | Chutt: Could you maybe make the backend log to a log file? :) |
| 00:04 | <john> | bline: lspci shows that I have a 00:0b.0 Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 (rev 11) |
| 00:05 | <rkulagow__> | mdz: did you have any problems connecting connecting to cvs? just saw some commits, but i'm not having any luck. was able to SSH though... |
| 00:05 | <bline> | john: you can read about this in /usr/src/linux/Documentation/video4linux/bttv/* |
| 00:05 | <rkulagow__> | (confirmed that i'm using the right password) |
| 00:05 | <Chutt> | snowman, i think it does, i don't know if that startup script enables the logging |
| 00:05 | <john> | ok |
| 00:05 | <Snow-Man> | Chutt: Hey, it segfaults too. :) |
| 00:05 | <mdz_> | rkulagow__: no problems |
| 00:05 | <Snow-Man> | ERROR opening file '/data1/sfrost/mythtv/buffers/ringbuf1.nuv' in ThreadedFileWriter. |
| 00:05 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 00:05 | <Snow-Man> | adding: snowman as a player 0 |
| 00:05 | <Snow-Man> | adding: snowman as a remote ringbuffer |
| 00:05 | <Snow-Man> | Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV |
| 00:05 | <Snow-Man> | Segmentation fault |
| 00:05 | <Chutt> | <death> |
| 00:05 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 00:05 | <bline> | john: you should read most of that, but look at the README and the Cards list first. |
| 00:06 | <Chutt> | i've made it just exit after the error message, now |
| 00:06 | <mdz_> | <long, nasty unrelenting death> |
| 00:06 | <mdz_> | ah, good |
| 00:06 | <Chutt> | since so many people just ignored that |
| 00:06 | <mdz_> | and really no good could come from continuing |
| 00:06 | <Chutt> | exactly |
| 00:06 | <rkulagow__> | alright, then let me check the firewall rules. i figured cvs was busy with the wired story, but maybe it's me then. |
| 00:06 | <Chutt> | rkulagow, it _has_ been busy, but not that busy |
| 00:06 | <Snow-Man> | Damnit, this stuff asks for directories and then doesn't create them. :( |
| 00:06 | <Chutt> | sorry :p |
| 00:07 | <thor_> | rkulagow, I've had no problems with several commits. Sounds like something in the firewall is off |
| 00:07 | <mdz_> | Chutt: so, since experiments continue to show that the CFLAGS-freaks are wrong, how would you feel about changing the default release CFLAGS to be optimized-but-debuggable? |
| 00:07 | <Snow-Man> | Alright, I can watch live TV. yay. |
| 00:07 | <Chutt> | mdz, after 0.9? |
| 00:07 | <Chutt> | snowman, works ok? |
| 00:07 | <Snow-Man> | It even goes fullscreen and looks ugly as sin. |
| 00:07 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 00:07 | <Snow-Man> | Now, sound. |
| 00:07 | <Chutt> | you need to play around with the compression settings |
| 00:07 | * bline | runs away |
| 00:08 | <Chutt> | switch to mpeg4 |
| 00:08 | <Snow-Man> | Where's that button? :) |
| 00:08 | <Chutt> | and up the bitrate slightly |
| 00:08 | <Chutt> | tv -> settings -> recording |
| 00:08 | <Chutt> | 'default' is for scheduled recordings, 'live tv' is for, well, live tv |
| 00:09 | <PeteCool> | Snow-Man: the gf3 didn't support twinview at all |
| 00:09 | <mdz_> | Chutt: after 0.9, if you want |
| 00:09 | <Chutt> | mdz, ok |
| 00:09 | <mdz_> | Chutt: I think it'd be nice to get decent backtraces on the list |
| 00:09 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 00:09 | <mdz_> | I might even build the debs with DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nostrip |
| 00:09 | <Chutt> | though |
| 00:09 | <Chutt> | that guy with the current problems is using mandrake |
| 00:09 | <Chutt> | i think |
| 00:09 | <mdz_> | it'd be huge, though |
| 00:10 | <Snow-Man> | How do you get out of the UI? |
| 00:10 | <rkulagow__> | turns out it was the firewall. |
| 00:10 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 00:10 | <Snow-Man> | Like, tell the thing to quit. |
| 00:10 | <Chutt> | snowman, go into the general section (i think) and set a shutdown key |
| 00:10 | <mdz_> | yeah |
| 00:10 | <Chutt> | like escape, or alt-escape or whatnot |
| 00:10 | <mdz_> | by default, there is no escape |
| 00:10 | <bline> | NO ESCAPE |
| 00:10 | <mdz_> | Snow-Man seems to be in the mythtv-as-a-desktop-app camp :-P |
| 00:10 | <Snow-Man> | exit and shut down the computer? egads. |
| 00:11 | <Chutt> | well, you don't have to do that |
| 00:11 | <Snow-Man> | mdz_: I'm more in the mood of 'desktop app until told otherwise' |
| 00:11 | <Chutt> | it's meant as a dedicated system :p |
| 00:11 | <mdz_> | Snow-Man: you heard the man |
| 00:11 | <Snow-Man> | yea, yea, Chutt's got lots of funny ideas. |
| 00:11 | <thor_> | anyone working on MythDesktop ? |
| 00:12 | <Snow-Man> | I'm still pissed the Zoran can only output MJPEG shit, that really irks me. |
| 00:12 | <Chutt> | well |
| 00:12 | <Chutt> | you can give it a try :p |
| 00:13 | <Chutt> | i'm just not sure how well it'll work |
| 00:13 | <Snow-Man> | I'm not seeing anything for setting up 'output vidoe adapter' or anything. |
| 00:13 | <thor_> | Chutt, was there anything else on the MMusic TODO ? |
| 00:13 | <Snow-Man> | Does it only dump to X? |
| 00:13 | <Snow-Man> | Chutt: Hell, might as well give it a shot.. |
| 00:13 | <Chutt> | thor, what'd you do? |
| 00:13 | <thor_> | everything, I think ... cvs |
| 00:14 | <thor_> | commit |
| 00:14 | <thor_> | or is that a, "what'd you do?" in the sense of, "how did you screw that up?" |
| 00:14 | <Chutt> | no no |
| 00:14 | <Chutt> | i haven't checked email in a while |
| 00:15 | <Snow-Man> | Damnit, I hit the skip button by accident or something. |
| 00:15 | <Snow-Man> | Now I don't think I can do dick.. |
| 00:15 | <Chutt> | thor, draw position of the transparent pixmaps? |
| 00:16 | <Chutt> | so they're in the background and not draw every update? |
| 00:16 | <thor_> | I put what can be on the background on the background. Something else? |
| 00:16 | <Snow-Man> | I need to figure out the key combos and shit going on here. |
| 00:16 | <Chutt> | well, is the info background image in the background? |
| 00:16 | <bline> | keys.txt |
| 00:16 | <Chutt> | the playlist background image? |
| 00:16 | <thor_> | info |
| 00:16 | <Chutt> | they weren't before.. |
| 00:17 | <thor_> | playlist |
| 00:17 | <thor_> | yes |
| 00:17 | <Chutt> | cool = |
| 00:17 | <Chutt> | er, =) |
| 00:17 | <bline> | someone should do up a man page,,, |
| 00:17 | <Chutt> | someone tried one awhile ago |
| 00:17 | <thor_> | except the showing, which has to get drawn over the fonts |
| 00:17 | <Chutt> | like, 6 or 6 months |
| 00:17 | <Chutt> | 7 |
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| 00:17 | <Snow-Man> | I'm not finding keys.txt. |
| 00:17 | <Chutt> | but it was pretty much crap |
| 00:18 | <mdz_> | Chutt: what's your take on that scheduler issue posted by craig longman? |
| 00:18 | <Chutt> | i dunno |
| 00:18 | <mdz_> | I think it's a trivial tweak which could go in 0.9 |
| 00:18 | <Chutt> | did he give more info? |
| 00:18 | <Chutt> | i don't recall exactly |
| 00:18 | <bline> | Snow-Man: search harder |
| 00:18 | * Snow-Man | blames mdz. |
| 00:18 | <mdz_> | Chutt: he didn't give much info, but I know what he's talking about |
| 00:18 | <bline> | it's in the source directory of the project |
| 00:18 | <mdz_> | Chutt: line 381 in the scheduler |
| 00:18 | <Chutt> | i'm on a windows laptop right now |
| 00:19 | <bline> | s/source/root/ |
| 00:19 | <Snow-Man> | Back to the sound issue. |
| 00:19 | <mdz_> | Chutt: prunelist deletes items from the list outright if IsSameProgram says they're the same |
| 00:19 | <Chutt> | snowman, read the sound debugging section in the howto |
| 00:19 | <mdz_> | Chutt: whereas if they are duplicates from oldrecorded, they're just marked with recording = false |
| 00:19 | <john> | bline: The card is listed |
| 00:19 | <john> | almost |
| 00:19 | <Chutt> | mdz, ah |
| 00:19 | <Chutt> | so, it should just mark one as not recording instead? |
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| 00:20 | <mdz_> | Chutt: confuses the hell out of people, including me a few times |
| 00:20 | <mdz_> | that's what I'm thinking |
| 00:20 | <john> | it's a Leadtech winFast 2000 XP and it has the Leadtech winFast 2000 as card=34 |
| 00:20 | <Snow-Man> | Chutt: I think I just need to get a mixer up. |
| 00:20 | <bline> | john: make sure you specify it in the options like the readme says |
| 00:20 | <john> | ok |
| 00:20 | <bline> | catd=number |
| 00:20 | <Chutt> | go for it =) |
| 00:20 | <bline> | and tuner=number |
| 00:20 | <Snow-Man> | Good god kmix is taking a long ass time to start. |
| 00:20 | * bline | doesn't even have a bttv card anymore |
| 00:20 | <Chutt> | mdz, want to make that change? |
| 00:21 | <bline> | john: depending on your distribution it will be in /etc/modules.conf |
| 00:21 | <mdz_> | Chutt: just posted a patch to the list if you want to look at it first |
| 00:21 | <john> | ahh |
| 00:22 | <bline> | in my distribution it goes in something like /etc/modules.d/bttv |
| 00:22 | <Snow-Man> | Alright, sound just ain't workin it too well. |
| 00:22 | <john> | well I found the entry in modules.conf |
| 00:22 | <bline> | john: the syntax will be in one of the bttv readmes |
| 00:22 | <mdz_> | Snow-Man: duplex problems? or just in general? |
| 00:22 | <Snow-Man> | The sync is way off. I'm guessing that's probably because mythtv wants to be intercepting the sound and playing it itself. |
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| 00:23 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 00:23 | <mdz_> | Snow-Man: heh, that's like FAQ entry #1 |
| 00:23 | <Snow-Man> | And I think line in is getting routed directly to the speakers atm. |
| 00:23 | <Snow-Man> | yea, yea. |
| 00:23 | <mdz_> | sorry, #4 |
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| 00:23 | <Snow-Man> | not bitching, I figured that was the issue. |
| 00:23 | <Chutt> | snowman, you're extremely smart, absolutely no one catches that =) |
| 00:23 | <Chutt> | (not being sarcastic) |
| 00:23 | <mdz_> | it's true |
| 00:23 | <Snow-Man> | Chutt: Really? It seems pretty obvious to me... <Shrug> |
| 00:24 | <Chutt> | they're all like 'why the hell is my sound off?' |
| 00:24 | <mdz_> | usually it goes more like "wtf this suxxxx tah snoud no work or s/th" |
| 00:24 | <john> | I am still a little confused |
| 00:24 | <bline> | john: why? |
| 00:25 | <john> | well I read that I compiled it as a module so that I could insert it with extra parameters like CARD=34 |
| 00:25 | <mdz_> | Chutt: hmm, I'm not sure how this change will affect viewscheduled |
| 00:25 | <john> | and I found stuff relating to bttv in my modules.conf |
| 00:25 | <mdz_> | what does it do with things which are not recording, and yet not conflicting? |
| 00:25 | <Chutt> | it won't know, will it? |
| 00:25 | <Chutt> | hmm |
| 00:25 | <john> | but I can't find where I am supposed to set these extra parameters |
| 00:25 | <Chutt> | snowman, there's a section in the howto about all that, if it helps |
| 00:26 | <mdz_> | I think it assumes that it is disabled due to a conflict |
| 00:26 | <mdz_> | yeah, looks like it will bring up the "Recording this program has been deactivated..." dialog |
| 00:26 | <mdz_> | so I'm not going to commit that just yet |
| 00:26 | <bline> | john: options bttv card=10 tuner=2 |
| 00:26 | <john> | alias char-major-81 bttv |
| 00:26 | <bline> | john: is what I had when I used bttv |
| 00:26 | <Snow-Man> | Chutt: Already there, thanks. |
| 00:26 | <john> | is it that line? |
| 00:26 | <Snow-Man> | Chutt: And there isn't any 'ok' button in kmix atm. :) |
| 00:26 | <bline> | yeah |
| 00:27 | <Chutt> | snowman, sound's the number 1 issue |
| 00:27 | <Chutt> | snowman, alsa? |
| 00:27 | <Chutt> | alsamixer's easier |
| 00:27 | <bline> | john: after you set that, rmmod bttv; modprobe bttv |
| 00:28 | <Snow-Man> | Chutt: I was just saying the docs are wrong. muting line-in appears to have fixed it. |
| 00:28 | <Snow-Man> | And setting it as the source. |
| 00:28 | <Snow-Man> | Or muting is off, whatever. :) |
| 00:29 | <Chutt> | it's all dependent on your specific hardware |
| 00:29 | <Snow-Man> | That seems odd though. |
| 00:29 | <Snow-Man> | hmmm. |
| 00:29 | <Snow-Man> | Well, it's a Live! |
| 00:29 | <Snow-Man> | No, line-in *is* muted now. |
| 00:29 | <john> | bline: I guess where I am confused is how I pass the arguement |
| 00:30 | <john> | I can't find it in the docs |
| 00:30 | <Snow-Man> | And selected as the input source... |
| 00:30 | <Snow-Man> | The docs are confusing. :) |
| 00:30 | <Snow-Man> | The green one at the top is for muting; you want to make sure that the green LED is a dark green, meaning that it's "off". |
| 00:30 | <bline> | john: /usr/src/linux/Documentation/video4linux/bttv/Modules.conf |
| 00:30 | <Snow-Man> | I guess what you're trying to say is that the *source* is off, not that *muting* is off. |
| 00:30 | <john> | ahh thanks |
| 00:30 | <Snow-Man> | And in fact *muting* is on. :) |
| 00:31 | <Snow-Man> | I need to figure out these damn key combos. |
| 00:31 | <Snow-Man> | 272617 4 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2608 Jan 14 10:46 /usr/share/doc/openssl/doc/HOWTO/keys.txt |
| 00:31 | <Chutt> | check my viewcvs stuff |
| 00:31 | <Snow-Man> | 32497 124 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 119189 Feb 17 06:35 /usr/share/perl/5.8.0/Unicode/Collate/keys.txt |
| 00:31 | <Chutt> | or that |
| 00:31 | <Snow-Man> | 7258319 124 -r--r--r-- 1 sfrost sfrost 119189 Jun 1 2002 /data1/sfrost/debs/perl/perl-5.8.0/lib/Unicode/Collate/keys.txt |
| 00:31 | <Chutt> | err, nm =) |
| 00:31 | <Snow-Man> | 6373768 4 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2608 Jan 14 10:46 /data1/share/doc/openssl/doc/HOWTO/keys.txt |
| 00:31 | <Snow-Man> | 8257949 124 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 119189 Feb 17 06:35 /data1/share/perl/5.8.0/Unicode/Collate/keys.txt |
| 00:31 | <Snow-Man> | wtf, those are all the keys.txt files I've got. |
| 00:31 | * Snow-Man | eyes mdz. |
| 00:31 | <Snow-Man> | I don't think any of those apply. |
| 00:31 | * Snow-Man | heads to viewcvs. |
| 00:31 | <bline> | look in CVS |
| 00:32 | <Snow-Man> | Can you make the player non-fullscreen? |
| 00:32 | <Chutt> | hit f |
| 00:32 | <Snow-Man> | There we go. |
| 00:32 | <bline> | keys.txt! |
| 00:33 | <Snow-Man> | I suppose I should have read the key combos before asking but I figured it'd be more than that. :) |
| 00:33 | <bline> | heh |
| 00:33 | <john> | ok so I have specified the card |
| 00:33 | <john> | and reloaded it |
| 00:33 | <john> | but I still don't have a /dev/video |
| 00:34 | <john> | the module loaded ok before |
| 00:34 | <bline> | no /dev/video0? |
| 00:34 | <john> | nope :( |
| 00:34 | <Snow-Man> | Well, I have to admit that the sound doesn't stop *right* when I hit 'p', but it ain't bad. :) |
| 00:34 | <bline> | you look in /var/log/syslog? |
| 00:34 | <Chutt> | it does stop, though, right? |
| 00:34 | <Chutt> | try turning on 'aggressive sound buffering' in the playback settings |
| 00:34 | <Chutt> | it helps sometimes, sometimes it hurts =) |
| 00:35 | <bline> | most kernel drivers report errors therr |
| 00:35 | <Snow-Man> | Chutt: Yeah, it stops, it's just like a halfsecond later. |
| 00:35 | <bline> | s/r$/e/ |
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| 00:35 | <Snow-Man> | Maybe a full second. |
| 00:35 | <Chutt> | yeah, try that playback option |
| 00:35 | <Chutt> | the sb live cards have large buffers |
| 00:36 | <Snow-Man> | mkay. |
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| 00:36 | <john> | it looks good |
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| 00:36 | <john> | it's detecting all kinds of stuff |
| 00:36 | <john> | ok get this!:Jun 4 21:35:36 tv kernel: bttv0: registered device video0 |
| 00:36 | <bline> | well obviously not if you have no /dev/video* |
| 00:37 | <Snow-Man> | Damnit, what's with the screen blip between hitting esc and the stupid 'are you sure' question? |
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| 00:37 | <Chutt> | exiting? |
| 00:37 | <Chutt> | it's a different window :p |
| 00:37 | <bline> | In other words, if nothing is in syslog about it I have no idea. |
| 00:37 | <john> | bline: :P |
| 00:37 | <Snow-Man> | f don't make the frontend go into a window. :( |
| 00:37 | <Chutt> | nope |
| 00:38 | <Snow-Man> | strange error flushing buffer ... |
| 00:38 | <Chutt> | you can make the frontend smaller, though |
| 00:38 | <Chutt> | not fullscreen |
| 00:38 | <Chutt> | in the appearance section |
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| 00:38 | <bline> | john: and bttv shows up in lsmod? |
| 00:38 | <Chutt> | 'strange error flushing buffer' is just the lame lib complaining about junk |
| 00:38 | <Snow-Man> | Damnit, shit be busted now. |
| 00:38 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 00:38 | <Chutt> | with what? |
| 00:39 | <Snow-Man> | mythbackend seemed to think I was still watching TV. |
| 00:39 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 00:39 | <Chutt> | how'd you kill it? |
| 00:39 | <john> | bline: it sure does |
| 00:39 | <john> | I changed insmod tuner to modprobe tuner in my modules.conf |
| 00:39 | <john> | and one of the errors went away |
| 00:40 | <Snow-Man> | I was using the frontend and hit play tv and then hit esc a few times on the frontend and it appeared to exit (though didn't ask me the stupid question) and the mythtv window kept going for a sec then I hit 'x' on it. |
| 00:40 | <bline> | john: and the card is set to the correct one? |
| 00:40 | <john> | I think it was a redundancy error though |
| 00:40 | <john> | yeah |
| 00:40 | <john> | I'll double check ;) |
| 00:40 | <Chutt> | snowman, just kill it off |
| 00:40 | <Snow-Man> | Chutt: I restarted the backend already and just ran mythtv and things are working. |
| 00:40 | <Chutt> | snowman, it'd probably be best to upgrade to CVS sometime, lotsa bug fixes |
| 00:40 | <Snow-Man> | yea, I'll plan to do that. |
| 00:41 | <Chutt> | but it's workin ok? |
| 00:41 | <Chutt> | not _too_ bad to install? =) |
| 00:41 | <Snow-Man> | Oh, I suppose not. :) |
| 00:41 | <Snow-Man> | At least if I can get everything I want to work. :) |
| 00:42 | <Snow-Man> | I'm gonna cry tommorow when I go output card hunting tho. |
| 00:42 | <Snow-Man> | Chutt: Got a suggestion as to what I should get, and you never answered my question... |
| 00:42 | <Chutt> | what question? |
| 00:42 | <Chutt> | i have a gf4-ti4200 |
| 00:42 | <Chutt> | works ok |
| 00:42 | <Snow-Man> | Chutt: How can I try using the zoran for output? |
| 00:42 | <Chutt> | but i don't use it for both displays |
| 00:42 | <Chutt> | oh, i have absolutely no idea on that |
| 00:42 | <Snow-Man> | Didn't see any config options for that. :/ |
| 00:42 | <Snow-Man> | haha. |
| 00:43 | <Snow-Man> | Chutt: So mythtv basically just displays to X? |
| 00:43 | <Chutt> | it needs to use X |
| 00:43 | <Chutt> | well, it compiles with the qt/embedded stuff |
| 00:43 | <john> | bline: I just did a tail -f /var/log/syslog and removed bttv and then added it back and everything it spit out looked good |
| 00:43 | <Chutt> | but that still needs a framebuffer device to talk to |
| 00:43 | <Snow-Man> | The sound is better now. |
| 00:43 | * bline | wants a gl2 driver =) |
| 00:43 | <Chutt> | with the aggressive buffering turned on? |
| 00:43 | <Snow-Man> | yea. |
| 00:43 | <Chutt> | cool. |
| 00:43 | <Chutt> | it's just that that can cause really crappy sound output on some cards |
| 00:43 | <john> | it even says registered device video0 vbi0 and radio0 |
| 00:43 | <Snow-Man> | Hrm. |
| 00:44 | <Chutt> | hate dealing with wildly differing hardware |
| 00:44 | <Snow-Man> | I turned on close caption support but didn't see nothing (I had it paused).. Is it out of sync with the fed? |
| 00:44 | <bline> | john: just one more time; ls -l /dev/video0; show's nothing? |
| 00:44 | <Snow-Man> | +e |
| 00:44 | <Chutt> | it's in sync with the feed |
| 00:44 | <john> | yeah no such file or dir |
| 00:44 | <Chutt> | but it needs a little bit to catch up |
| 00:44 | <Chutt> | sometimes |
| 00:44 | <Chutt> | and |
| 00:44 | <john> | the only dir with a v even in my /dev is vcs |
| 00:44 | <Chutt> | that's bugging in 0.8 |
| 00:44 | <Snow-Man> | haha, sucky. :) |
| 00:44 | <Chutt> | buggy |
| 00:45 | <bline> | john: is this using devfs? |
| 00:45 | <john> | ext3 |
| 00:45 | <john> | err |
| 00:45 | <john> | sorry |
| 00:45 | <john> | I don't follow |
| 00:45 | <Chutt> | snowman, you do have it set to ntsc cc in the setup program, right? |
| 00:45 | <bline> | devfs is something that dynamiczally creates dev entries |
| 00:46 | <Chutt> | it should at least turn on, but i'm pretty sure it can crash it =) |
| 00:46 | <Snow-Man> | yea, I think so. |
| 00:46 | <bline> | ps aux | grep devfs |
| 00:46 | <Snow-Man> | bleh, man, the delay on channel changes sucks my ass. |
| 00:46 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 00:46 | <john> | yeah it's going |
| 00:46 | <Chutt> | it has to do a lot :p |
| 00:46 | <bline> | hrm.. |
| 00:47 | <Snow-Man> | I'm sure it does. What's the main time consumer in that? |
| 00:47 | <Snow-Man> | I'd expect the card to be alot of the issue. |
| 00:47 | <Chutt> | the card is, the recorder is basically restarting as well |
| 00:47 | <Chutt> | but that has to wait for the card |
| 00:48 | <bline> | john: maybe someone else can help, I really have no idea. Sorry. |
| 00:48 | <Chutt> | then it has to wait a little for the recorder to record a little bit of data to start playing again |
| 00:48 | <john> | thanks for helping bline |
| 00:48 | * bline | is useless |
| 00:48 | <john> | no, I am probably missing something |
| 00:48 | <john> | I don't get why it says: registering device video0 |
| 00:49 | <john> | but I don't see a /dev/video0 |
| 00:49 | <Snow-Man> | A gf2 would probably be fine for tv out, right? It's not like the gf4 did anything better on the tv out stuff, did it? |
| 00:49 | <john> | I'll see what people in #debian say |
| 00:49 | <bline> | I don't get why you do not see /dev/video0 |
| 00:49 | <Snow-Man> | Hrmpf, got the wrong channel listing, that's annoying. |
| 00:49 | <Chutt> | a gf2 is fine, yeah |
| 00:50 | <Chutt> | john, did you ever create the device names in /dev/? |
| 00:50 | <bline> | Chutt: he's using devfs |
| 00:51 | * Snow-Man | pauses for a while for fun. |
| 00:51 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 00:51 | <Chutt> | thor, i _just_ got that commit message from an hour ago, sorry for questioning you =) |
| 00:51 | * Snow-Man | hides. |
| 00:51 | <Snow-Man> | I don't have the mythtv backend running on relay! Honest! |
| 00:51 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 00:51 | <Chutt> | you couldn't be |
| 00:52 | <thor_> | Chutt, np ... I *think* that's everything that anyone brought up |
| 00:52 | <Snow-Man> | Seriously. The shit would fall over and die. |
| 00:52 | <Snow-Man> | Man, gonna have to take my box down again tommorow. Bleh. |
| 00:54 | <Snow-Man> | How long are commercial breaks, normally? |
| 00:54 | <Chutt> | depends |
| 00:54 | <Snow-Man> | More than 3 minutes? |
| 00:54 | <Chutt> | sometimes |
| 00:55 | * Snow-Man | is trying out this commercial skip thing. |
| 00:55 | <Chutt> | sometimes not |
| 00:55 | <Chutt> | it works better in recorded programs |
| 00:55 | <Snow-Man> | oh, sucky. |
| 00:55 | <Chutt> | at least in my experience |
| 00:55 | <Snow-Man> | Any clue why? |
| 00:55 | <Chutt> | it's not doing as much on the fly |
| 00:56 | <Chutt> | better in cvs |
| 00:56 | <Snow-Man> | huh, well, it seemed to work. |
| 00:56 | <Snow-Man> | yea, yea, cvs is 'da best, I hear you. :) |
| 00:56 | <Chutt> | actually, the commercial skip stuff is much better in cvs |
| 00:56 | * Snow-Man | wonders what that red R was. |
| 00:59 | <Snow-Man> | You know, a channel scan thing would be kinda neat. |
| 01:00 | <thor_> | Snow-Man, once you have that implemented, I'd also like a Picture-by-Picture mode =) |
| 01:00 | <Snow-Man> | thor_: *smirk. |
| 01:02 | <Chutt> | thing is, with guide data, shouldn't have to do a channel scan =) |
| 01:02 | <john> | hey I think I got it working |
| 01:02 | <john> | but I accidentally added it twice |
| 01:02 | <bline> | what was it? |
| 01:02 | <john> | how do I remove one? |
| 01:02 | <bline> | rmmod? |
| 01:02 | <john> | I just did a ./MAKEDEV video |
| 01:03 | <john> | no the capture cards |
| 01:03 | <john> | in the list |
| 01:03 | <bline> | but you shouldn't need to with devfs... |
| 01:03 | <Chutt> | run setup |
| 01:03 | <Chutt> | say yes to the first question |
| 01:04 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: is "cvs -z3 diff -ud > file" alright for a translation patch? |
| 01:04 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 01:04 | <Chutt> | then include the new files |
| 01:04 | <PeteCool> | l |
| 01:04 | <PeteCool> | k |
| 01:05 | <john> | ok now for my next challenge what's the video source name? |
| 01:05 | <bline> | you need to set one up |
| 01:05 | <Chutt> | john, read the docs |
| 01:05 | <Chutt> | it goes through setting up the backend |
| 01:05 | <john> | oh yeah |
| 01:05 | <Chutt> | step by step |
| 01:05 | <john> | I got off track with that last step :P |
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| 01:17 | <techniq> | i'm having some compile problems, can someone give me a little help? |
| 01:17 | <john> | this is exciting |
| 01:17 | <thor_> | you can ask, worse thing that can happen is you'll be ignored =) |
| 01:18 | <techniq> | alright ;) |
| 01:18 | <john> | do you guys remember the first time you ran this program? |
| 01:18 | <thor_> | it's been a while |
| 01:18 | <bline> | yeah, it worked quite well |
| 01:18 | <john> | right now it's populating the database |
| 01:19 | <techniq> | common.h: In function `msmpeg4_pred_dc': |
| 01:19 | <techniq> | msmpeg4.c:723: error: can't find a register in class `BREG' while reloading `asm' |
| 01:19 | <techniq> | msmpeg4.c:723: error: can't find a register in class `BREG' while reloading `asm' |
| 01:19 | <techniq> | make[2]: *** [msmpeg4.o] Error 1 |
| 01:19 | <techniq> | make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/techniq/Documents/TARs/mythtv-0.8/libs/libavcodec' |
| 01:19 | <techniq> | make[1]: *** [sub-libavcodec] Error 2 |
| 01:19 | <techniq> | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/techniq/Documents/TARs/mythtv-0.8/libs' |
| 01:19 | <techniq> | make: *** [sub-libs] Error 2 |
| 01:19 | <Chutt> | lemme guess |
| 01:19 | <techniq> | i get these lines at the bottom of make (doesn't get to ran into it |
| 01:19 | <Chutt> | you're using suse |
| 01:19 | <techniq> | ) |
| 01:19 | <techniq> | yup |
| 01:19 | <thor_> | assembler? |
| 01:19 | <Chutt> | bitch at them for distributing a broken qt |
| 01:19 | <techniq> | heh |
| 01:19 | <Chutt> | go into libs/libavcodec/ |
| 01:19 | <techniq> | any workaround? |
| 01:19 | <Chutt> | edit the Makefile |
| 01:19 | <techniq> | k |
| 01:20 | <Chutt> | remove all the -fPIC bits |
| 01:20 | <techniq> | k |
| 01:21 | <techniq> | what's that cflag do? |
| 01:21 | <Chutt> | turns on stuff for shared libraries |
| 01:21 | <Chutt> | it's not building a shared library, though |
| 01:21 | <techniq> | i c |
| 01:21 | <Chutt> | suse modified qt somehow, and broke it |
| 01:22 | <Chutt> | well, 'qmake' |
| 01:22 | <Chutt> | which is the bit of qt that's generating the makefiles |
| 01:22 | <techniq> | i c, i had a cvs source compile, i guess i could have pointed my qtdir to it and fix it? |
| 01:22 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 01:22 | <Chutt> | but it's really not a good idea to compile your own |
| 01:22 | <techniq> | why so? |
| 01:22 | <Chutt> | people tend to mess it up |
| 01:23 | <techniq> | heh.. ic |
| 01:23 | <thor_> | techniq, as long as you do the initial ./configure after clearly reading "./configure --help" and you set your QTDIR stuff properly, it's not rocket science |
| 01:23 | <techniq> | yeah, i've read into all that |
| 01:24 | <techniq> | i haven't fubar'd anything so far running kde cvs some, which i guess means i'm doing something right |
| 01:26 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 01:26 | <techniq> | what capture card do you run? |
| 01:28 | <Chutt> | me? |
| 01:28 | <techniq> | yeah, or anyone |
| 01:28 | <Chutt> | i've got a pvr-250, a pvr-350, and a wintv-radio |
| 01:28 | <techniq> | cool |
| 01:28 | <Chutt> | and a ati tv wonder ve that i don't use anymore |
| 01:29 | <techniq> | i bought the wonder ve, but it sucked, so i got a wintv with fm radio |
| 01:29 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 01:29 | <Chutt> | that's exactly what i did a year or so ago =) |
| 01:29 | <techniq> | ;) |
| 01:29 | <techniq> | do you use mythtv as your main tv watching app? |
| 01:29 | <thor_> | Chutt, did Hauppauge ever cough up any freebies for you? |
| 01:29 | <Chutt> | well, yes |
| 01:30 | <Chutt> | thor, the -350 is theirs |
| 01:30 | <Chutt> | i can honestly say i've never used another tv watching app :p |
| 01:30 | <thor_> | did they say anything like, "if you could make mpeg out under linux work, we might buy you a free lunch" |
| 01:30 | <Chutt> | nope |
| 01:30 | <bline> | I would hope so |
| 01:30 | <techniq> | hehe |
| 01:30 | <thor_> | techniq, Chutt == Isaac |
| 01:31 | <techniq> | thor_: ok |
| 01:31 | * techniq | looks more at webpage.. sees why you pointed that out |
| 01:32 | <thor_> | techniq, Isaac be big Poo Baa |
| 01:32 | <techniq> | lol |
| 01:32 | * bline | senses a new nick for Chutt |
| 01:33 | <techniq> | this is a longer compile than i was expected |
| 01:33 | <techniq> | i'm antsie to check it out |
| 01:34 | <thor_> | longer than a kernel ! |
| 01:34 | <techniq> | lol.. crap |
| 01:34 | <Chutt> | g++ sucks. |
| 01:34 | <bline> | c++ is slow to compile! |
| 01:34 | <techniq> | guess its time for a bowl of cereal while i wait |
| 01:34 | <thor_> | hmmm .... must be polymorphism |
| 01:34 | <techniq> | woohoo, its done |
| 01:34 | <thor_> | so I've got video tree browsing working |
| 01:35 | <Chutt> | cool |
| 01:35 | <thor_> | sort of |
| 01:35 | <thor_> | easy to write themed dialogues now |
| 01:35 | <thor_> | inherit, wire them up |
| 01:37 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: think you'll be able to catch the varying color cells in the epg before 0.9 ? |
| 01:37 | <Chutt> | maybe |
| 01:40 | <thor_> | oh crap, no mplayer |
| 01:42 | <bline> | aww damn, my crash made me miss recording enterprise |
| 01:42 | * bline | fumes |
| 01:42 | <thor_> | bline, Myth-2-Myth |
| 01:43 | <thor_> | =) |
| 01:43 | <Chutt> | wasn't it a repeat tonight anyway? |
| 01:43 | <thor_> | Seasons over |
| 01:43 | <thor_> | (I think) |
| 01:43 | <bline> | dunno, but I didn't see the whole season anyway |
| 01:43 | <bline> | one of the main reasons I got myth |
| 01:44 | <bline> | because of an eratic work schedule |
| 01:52 | <thor_> | Chutt, if you get a chance to run mythmusic, I think you'll find it drastically improved. If I get the video list sorted in the next hours, is there anything else pending for 0.9 you can think of? |
| 01:53 | <thor_> | that I would be useful for, that is? |
| 01:53 | <Chutt> | nope |
| 01:53 | <Chutt> | not much left at all |
| 01:53 | <Chutt> | the settings stuff |
| 01:53 | <Chutt> | but that's easy |
| 01:53 | <thor_> | settings all in one place, that stuff? |
| 01:54 | <Chutt> | unless, you want to do that? make mythmusic respond to 'mythmusic --config' |
| 01:54 | <Chutt> | have it just pop up the settings, exit completely when exiting that part |
| 01:54 | <thor_> | if I get this finished in short order, I'll have a look |
| 01:54 | <Chutt> | ok |
| 01:54 | <Chutt> | i'll get to it |
| 01:54 | <Chutt> | just busy :( |
| 01:54 | <thor_> | it happens |
| 01:54 | <thor_> | =) |
| 01:55 | <john> | man... I have so many issues. |
| 01:56 | <john> | bline: after I did that MAKEDEV thing, I think I dug myself a hole |
| 01:56 | <bline> | john: well, I didn't think it would work, devfs dynamically creates the dev entries |
| 01:57 | <john> | can I undo the makedev somehow? |
| 01:57 | <bline> | john: you can rm them, but I don't see how it will help if devfs doesn't create them when the driver is loaded. |
| 01:58 | <john> | well |
| 01:58 | <thor_> | not to be negative, but there's a reason devfs is labelled experimental in the stable kernel tree |
| 01:58 | <john> | I can try to get devfs working |
| 01:58 | <bline> | thor_: I've never had a problem with it. |
| 01:59 | <john> | I probably missed it when I compiled the kernel :P |
| 01:59 | <john> | that would explain a lot :P |
| 01:59 | <john> | I'll check it ou |
| 01:59 | <bline> | Lots of distributions have switched to devfs |
| 01:59 | <bline> | john: didn't you say devfsd is running? |
| 02:00 | <thor_> | bline, it is a more logical system, but it's (relatively) new. Seems to do weird things with some USB devices, for example. |
| 02:00 | <john> | yeah |
| 02:00 | <bline> | thor_: I mus admit, I've never use any USB stuff with it but several people at work use a usb mouse. |
| 02:01 | <bline> | s/mus/must/ |
| 02:01 | <john> | omg! |
| 02:01 | <john> | I am such a retard |
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| 02:01 | <bline> | what? |
| 02:01 | <john> | bah haha |
| 02:01 | <john> | root 504 0.0 0.3 1336 428 pts/2 R 16:01 0:00 grep devfs |
| 02:01 | <john> | see it's running |
| 02:01 | * john | smacks himself |
| 02:02 | <thor_> | grep devfs | grep -v grep hehe |
| 02:02 | <bline> | Ok, so maybe your distribution isn't using devfs, you should stick with the MAKEDEV to make the dev entries |
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| 02:03 | <bline> | Don't force it if it isn't. It probably will not work. |
| 02:03 | <bline> | Just make the dev entries like Chutt said. |
| 02:03 | <john> | but how will I know when it makes the entries? |
| 02:03 | <bline> | You make the entries. There should be instructions in the bttv docs for making them. |
| 02:04 | <thor_> | there's a makedev in bttv documentation in the actual kernel tree (if you're using that code) |
| 02:05 | * bline | really likes devfs for this reason |
| 02:09 | <john> | by the way, where is the devfs in the kernel? |
| 02:10 | <kc8apf> | it's in filesystems |
| 02:21 | <techniq> | i saw where you need to enable the capture audio channel for the proper sync'd audio, but i don't see it (looking in kmix right now) |
| 02:21 | <techniq> | can someone point me in the right direction |
| 02:21 | <thor_> | techniq, what kind of capture card and how is it wired to sound? |
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| 02:22 | <techniq> | its a wintv, and right now i think i have it going through th eline in |
| 02:22 | <techniq> | is it supposed to be in the mic jack or something? |
| 02:22 | <thor_> | line in is fine |
| 02:22 | <techniq> | k |
| 02:23 | <thor_> | in the mixer, set line is as recording source, and then mute line in. What kind of soundcard? |
| 02:23 | <techniq> | k |
| 02:23 | <techniq> | sblive |
| 02:23 | <thor_> | does it have iGain oGain ? |
| 02:23 | <techniq> | igain |
| 02:24 | <thor_> | might have to fiddle with that, main thing is setting recording source to the right place and then muting it |
| 02:24 | <techniq> | i c |
| 02:24 | <techniq> | should i have the igain somewhere above 0% i presume |
| 02:24 | <thor_> | probably |
| 02:24 | <techniq> | k |
| 02:24 | <kc8apf> | is there any advantage to using line in over btaudio? |
| 02:24 | <techniq> | i'll mess with it, thanks |
| 02:25 | <thor_> | btaudio is better in most cases |
| 02:25 | <bline> | btaudio doesn't work on my card |
| 02:25 | <bline> | there is one reason |
| 02:25 | <thor_> | but not all cases =) |
| 02:26 | <kc8apf> | well, btaudio works in my case and I don't even have a line in, so.... |
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| 02:26 | <bline> | if btaudio works, use it. |
| 02:26 | <kc8apf> | has anyone tried myth on a mac with linux? |
| 02:27 | <thor_> | seem to recall a PPC thread a few months back |
| 02:33 | <john> | ok so assuming I don't have devfs... I did MAKEDEV to make the video devices |
| 02:34 | <john> | and I load the module and I it supposedly adds the video0 stuff etc |
| 02:34 | <john> | how can I see if it's working |
| 02:34 | <thor_> | lsmod shows bttv |
| 02:34 | <thor_> | ? |
| 02:34 | <john> | it does yes |
| 02:34 | <thor_> | you have xawtv? |
| 02:35 | <john> | no should I get that? |
| 02:35 | <thor_> | it's easier than futzing with myth while your getting the hardware working |
| 02:35 | <john> | ok thansk |
| 02:36 | * bline | hugs his pvr250 |
| 02:40 | <john> | woah |
| 02:40 | <john> | I see tv |
| 02:40 | <john> | but it's black and white |
| 02:40 | <thor_> | tv good |
| 02:40 | <thor_> | xawtv ? |
| 02:40 | <john> | yeah |
| 02:40 | <bigguy> | probably wrong tuner type |
| 02:40 | <john> | I didn't know what the tuner should have been |
| 02:40 | <thor_> | or frequency fine tuning, yup |
| 02:42 | <bigguy> | anyway off to bed I go |
| 02:42 | <kc8apf> | or xawtv defaulted to PAL like mine did |
| 02:43 | <john> | I didn't use PAL |
| 02:43 | <kc8apf> | whenever i started xawtv it defaulted to PAL |
| 02:43 | <john> | err I didn't use defaults |
| 02:43 | <kc8apf> | oh |
| 02:44 | <john> | I had it make a config |
| 02:44 | <john> | ok so /dev/video0 must be working |
| 02:44 | <thor_> | yup |
| 02:48 | <kc8apf> | well, it looks like big-endianess has been worked out, so it should work on PPC |
| 02:48 | <kc8apf> | cool, now I can get to finishing my G4 |
| 02:48 | <john> | hey, ok so how do I find out what tuner to use? I am using a leadtech winFast 2000 and I didn't see anything usefull in the docs |
| 02:49 | <kc8apf> | look at the card |
| 02:49 | <kc8apf> | one of the chips should have either Brooktree or Connexant written on it |
| 02:50 | <bline> | john: where do you live? |
| 02:50 | <bline> | it's probably the xawtv default of PAL |
| 02:51 | <john> | how do you change it? |
| 02:51 | <bline> | right click |
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| 02:52 | <john> | I live in northern california |
| 02:53 | <john> | weird. it seems broken now |
| 02:53 | <john> | all static like |
| 02:53 | <bline> | NTSC is what you want |
| 02:53 | <john> | I know |
| 02:53 | <thor_> | john, some times you have to set things, then quit and restart. xawtv is a bit quirky |
| 02:53 | <john> | it is and was ntsc |
| 02:53 | <kc8apf> | specifically NTSC-M |
| 02:53 | <kc8apf> | odd |
| 02:54 | <bline> | I had to change the channel a bit after I set NTSC in xawtv |
| 02:54 | <bline> | to see any channels |
| 02:54 | <thor_> | yeah, that happens a lot |
| 02:54 | <john> | lol |
| 02:54 | <john> | tv/vcr :) |
| 02:54 | <kc8apf> | heh |
| 02:54 | <kc8apf> | john: where at in Calif.? |
| 02:56 | <john> | chico |
| 02:57 | <kc8apf> | what's that near? |
| 02:57 | <john> | redding |
| 02:58 | <john> | it's north of sac |
| 02:59 | <kc8apf> | ah, ok. I'm on co-op in Cupertino |
| 02:59 | <kc8apf> | I'm still trying to figure out where everything is out here |
| 03:11 | <john> | there was a big ole sticker over the tuner |
| 03:11 | <john> | and when I pealed it off I found the type of tuner it was :P |
| 03:11 | <john> | so THAT's what all that philips stuff was :P |
| 03:12 | <bline> | same thing happened to me, lame ass sticker |
| 03:19 | <kc8apf> | oh, duh, you were asking about tuner, not decoder |
| 03:26 | <john> | the docs about the tuners are hard to figure out |
| 03:28 | <bline> | bed time |
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| 03:36 | <john> | HIP HIP hooray! |
| 03:40 | <john> | ahhhhhhh |
| 03:40 | <john> | so nice |
| 03:42 | <kc8apf> | works? |
| 03:42 | <john> | yep |
| 03:43 | <kc8apf> | nice |
| 03:47 | <john> | very |
| 03:47 | <john> | we still have stuff to get working |
| 03:48 | <john> | like we're not using alsa and stuff |
| 03:48 | <john> | and we need to get the remote working |
| 03:48 | <kc8apf> | remote is fairly easy |
| 03:50 | <john> | when I am at the main menu, and there is that tv button |
| 03:50 | <john> | how do we close the program? |
| 03:52 | <kc8apf> | hit escape one more time |
| 03:52 | <john> | it doesn't close |
| 03:52 | <kc8apf> | it should open anoother menu |
| 03:53 | <john> | no matter how many times we hit escape :P |
| 03:53 | <kc8apf> | asking you if you want to close |
| 03:53 | <thor_> | in settings, you set what key(s) to use to close the frontend |
| 03:53 | <john> | when the one button is "TV" and we want to close it, and we hit escape nothing happens |
| 03:53 | <kc8apf> | oh yeah, that's right |
| 03:54 | <john> | ahh cool |
| 03:54 | <kc8apf> | i just set mine to escape so I could use the same button on my remote |
| 03:58 | <john> | one thing that sucks is that it's kinda chunky |
| 03:58 | <john> | doing the whole encode decode thing |
| 03:59 | <thor_> | you can tune the encoders/bitrates to your liking |
| 03:59 | <thor_> | trade off resolution/bitrate against CPU and drive space |
| 03:59 | <john> | I am willing to sacrafice drivespace |
| 03:59 | <john> | first |
| 04:00 | <thor_> | you can always do RTJPEG at 640x480 with highest bitrate |
| 04:00 | <thor_> | that's pretty much equivalent to live |
| 04:00 | <thor_> | but will fill up drivespace quickly |
| 04:01 | <thor_> | ... assuming your CPU can keep up |
| 04:01 | <john> | there is no bitrate for rtjpeg |
| 04:01 | <john> | but ther eis a quality |
| 04:01 | <john> | that's the problem |
| 04:01 | <thor_> | same diff |
| 04:01 | <john> | we have a 1gz athlon |
| 04:01 | <john> | hehehe |
| 04:01 | <john> | I forgot the ram |
| 04:02 | <john> | we found out that we had bad ram earlier and for a test we put in one piece (128) megs |
| 04:02 | <john> | and I forgot to put in more |
| 04:02 | <john> | :) |
| 04:03 | <thor_> | anyway .... good luck with it ... time for bed |
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| 09:45 | <bma> | moo |
| 09:46 | <Snow-Man> | Any of you folks know of DC-area places to buy cheap video cards that have tv out? :) |
| 09:47 | <choenig> | 0. |
| 09:47 | <choenig> | . |
| 09:47 | <choenig> | -. |
| 09:48 | <bma> | Snow-Man: microcenter? :) |
| 09:48 | <choenig> | oh, sorry :) |
| 09:48 | <Snow-Man> | bma: I wish. |
| 09:48 | <bma> | Snow-Man: they have the 'junk/returned' bin... |
| 09:48 | <bma> | usually lots of video-related stuff in it |
| 09:48 | <Snow-Man> | bma: Yeah, I was thinking I might check that. |
| 09:49 | <bma> | Snow-Man: there's also a place by us .. L&Y electronics, in woodbridge. they have tons of stuff, dunno if they'd have what you want |
| 09:49 | <bma> | it's more of a used computer shop |
| 09:49 | <bma> | but I got a 3c905b for like $15 there |
| 09:49 | <Snow-Man> | bma: Mainly just looking for a like GF2 w/ TVout PCI |
| 09:49 | <bma> | Snow-Man: ebay? |
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| 09:50 | <Snow-Man> | bma: I was hopeing for something local/quick. |
| 09:50 | <Snow-Man> | I can get one for <$30 off pricewatch. |
| 09:51 | <bma> | Snow-Man: there's also a computer shop out here that might have them, but I'm not sure |
| 09:51 | <bma> | dunno if they'd have older stuff, tho |
| 09:51 | <Snow-Man> | It's actually not all that old. |
| 09:52 | <Snow-Man> | yp.yahoo.com gives me lots of 'computer stores', I dunno if they're the kind of places I want tho. |
| 09:52 | <bma> | ya |
| 09:53 | <bma> | Snow-Man: if you want you could come out here and do lunch and I could show you the place. :) |
| 09:53 | <Snow-Man> | bma: hrmmm. |
| 09:53 | <Snow-Man> | Might do that. |
| 09:53 | <bma> | it's a lot like k-tek, where you got that touchscreen monitor |
| 09:53 | <bma> | if that helps |
| 09:53 | <Snow-Man> | That might be good enough. |
| 09:56 | <mdz> | Snow-Man: I picked up a GF2 AGP w/TVout at a local computer store for ~$30 |
| 09:56 | <mdz> | Snow-Man: an MSI card |
| 09:56 | <Snow-Man> | mdz: That's basically exactly what I want. |
| 09:56 | <Snow-Man> | Having trouble finding a place that's got one tho. |
| 09:56 | <mdz> | Snow-Man: it's tough with nvidia cards because they go by many names |
| 09:56 | <bma> | Snow-Man: except you need pci :) |
| 09:56 | <mdz> | _need_ pci? |
| 09:57 | <Snow-Man> | yea, it's also my desktop box. |
| 09:57 | <Snow-Man> | I wouldn't think that'd be terribly difficult tho. |
| 09:57 | <mdz> | you'd be surprised |
| 09:57 | <Snow-Man> | You're not helping. :) |
| 09:57 | <bma> | heh |
| 09:57 | <mdz> | micro center really didn't have anything? |
| 09:58 | <mdz> | might try a used place |
| 09:58 | <Snow-Man> | They wanted $90 |
| 09:58 | <Snow-Man> | Their used section *might* have something, but they might still want alot for it too. |
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| 10:19 | <bma> | fucking gaim |
| 10:19 | <bma> | how the hell do I turn off this mail notification crap |
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| 10:24 | <Snow-Man> | bma: What was the name of that place? |
| 10:26 | <bma> | I think it's golden tech or something like that. |
| 10:26 | <bma> | it's in herndon |
| 10:27 | <Snow-Man> | Hrmm. |
| 10:27 | <Snow-Man> | http://www.gtcomp.com/index.asp |
| 10:29 | <Snow-Man> | Their online thing doesn't appear to have one. |
| 10:31 | <Snow-Man> | I suppose that doesn't mean all that much tho. |
| 10:31 | <Snow-Man> | blah, blah, blah. |
| 10:32 | <bma> | you could call them |
| 10:32 | <Snow-Man> | yea, I could. |
| 10:34 | <Snow-Man> | Erol's has one for $60. |
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| 10:56 | <mdz> | Erol's sells hardware now? |
| 10:56 | <mdz> | from video rentals to ISP to computer store |
| 10:59 | <john> | hey guys |
| 10:59 | <bma> | they always sold hardware |
| 11:00 | <bma> | well, when they were an ISP |
| 11:00 | <john> | I was setting up my remote and the config for it online doesn't seem to work, but at some point a config was generated |
| 11:00 | <john> | and it was pretty good I think |
| 11:00 | <john> | and since then I tried to use the newer one and I overwrote the auto-generated one and I can't get it back |
| 11:00 | <john> | I tried to make my own but it doesn't add up |
| 11:02 | <Snow-Man> | mdz: You from around here or what? |
| 11:04 | <john> | is there some program that will generate a lircd.conf for me other than irrecord? |
| 11:05 | <Conaz> | john: can you get the replacement from the remotes.tar.bz2 file from the lirc site? |
| 11:08 | <mdz> | Snow-Man: MD originally |
| 11:10 | <Snow-Man> | mdz: Ah, cool, where you at now? |
| 11:17 | <mdz> | Snow-Man: MA |
| 11:17 | <Snow-Man> | ah. |
| 11:23 | <rkulagow__> | i hate automake |
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| 11:29 | <thor_> | rkulagow, remind me where you were having CD difficulties ... ripping ? |
| 11:30 | <rkulagow__> | thor: cd's with "cd extra" data. |
| 11:30 | <rkulagow__> | no way to skip those tracks? |
| 11:31 | <thor_> | probably ... just discovered that CD stuff is totally broken, so may as well fix everything if I need to figure out how libcdaudio works |
| 11:32 | <PeteCool> | anybody knows how to get to the area that mythfrontend_LANG.ts call SetRecTimeDialog ? |
| 11:34 | <PeteCool> | that might not be a clearly understandable sentence... |
| 11:34 | <thor_> | could make head or tales of it |
| 11:34 | <thor_> | couldn't |
| 11:34 | <thor_> | tails |
| 11:34 | <thor_> | sheeesh |
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| 11:36 | <PeteCool> | this sentence appears somewhere in the UI: "Change recording time:" |
| 11:36 | <PeteCool> | I never seen it, where would it be? |
| 11:38 | <thor_> | programs/mythfrontend/setrectime.cpp |
| 11:40 | <mdz> | PeteCool: grep -r |
| 11:40 | <thor_> | grep blah */*/* |
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| 11:41 | <PeteCool> | mdz: I'm trying to see what it does for a user, and what it does... hard to translate a sentence when you don't know how it's used =) |
| 11:42 | <mdz> | PeteCool: I believe it is from the dialog which used to try to resolve a conflict by adjusting the start/end time of the programs |
| 11:43 | <mdz> | it didn't work and was disabled; that code may not be used at present |
| 11:43 | <PeteCool> | mdz: ok, thanks |
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| 12:01 | * Captain_Murdoch_ | wonders why proxyscan.freenode.net is trying to scan his machine looking for http proxies. |
| 12:04 | <PeteCool> | is this thing valid? update recorded set bookmark = 181440 and starttime = 20030428210000 where title = "Charlie's Angels"; |
| 12:04 | <PeteCool> | it doesn't change the starttime |
| 12:04 | <Captain_Murdoch_> | starttime needs to be specified in the update because it's a timestamp and otherwise it would get set to the current time. |
| 12:06 | <PeteCool> | Captain_Murdoch_: well, I see it in that mysql command :) It does have a wrong starttime atm |
| 12:06 | <PeteCool> | hmm |
| 12:06 | <PeteCool> | I removed the bookmark part and it worked |
| 12:08 | <PeteCool> | how many programs do you see in the list? http://petecool.dyndns.org:8081/mythweb/main.php?mode=conflicts |
| 12:08 | <PeteCool> | I see 11... out of 76 :( |
| 12:09 | <thor_> | PeteCool, not sure you really want your MythWeb exposed like that ?? |
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| 12:14 | <Captain_Murdoch_> | connection refused anyway. |
| 12:14 | <Captain_Murdoch_> | you separate set items by a command not by a "and" |
| 12:15 | <Captain_Murdoch_> | s/command/comma/ |
| 12:19 | <Captain_Murdoch_> | both 11 and 76 are wrong anyway, mine shows 65. :) |
| 12:23 | <Conaz> | PeteCool_: your ISP block port 80 as well? |
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| 12:58 | <thor_> | Chutt, you around? |
| 12:58 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 12:58 | <Chutt> | what's up? |
| 12:58 | <thor_> | noticed this morning that CD's are broken |
| 12:59 | <Chutt> | really? |
| 12:59 | <Chutt> | hmm |
| 12:59 | <Chutt> | i hadn't tried in a while |
| 12:59 | <thor_> | must have been that way for a long time .... :-) |
| 12:59 | <thor_> | so .... |
| 12:59 | <thor_> | Do we want CD's on the Select Screen, or just put it in the playback tree? |
| 12:59 | <thor_> | I don't know what a checkbox beside a CD on the Select screen means? |
| 13:00 | <Chutt> | lemme get things compiled |
| 13:00 | <Chutt> | and i'll check it all out |
| 13:00 | <thor_> | can't really put it in the (persistent) playlists? |
| 13:00 | <Chutt> | nope, can't |
| 13:01 | <thor_> | it would be fine just in the playback tree, except for when showWholeTree is false |
| 13:07 | <thor_> | another alternative would be a dedicated play cd screen/mode |
| 13:12 | <thor_> | or a play cd button that brings up the same playback, but forces it to start at the CD point in the tree rather than active playlist. That would solve the showWholeTree false problem |
| 13:12 | <Chutt> | ehh |
| 13:12 | <Chutt> | i think it's fine the way it is |
| 13:12 | <Chutt> | just don't let it be saved in the playlist |
| 13:14 | <PeteCool_> | Conaz: yeah, they block port 25 too |
| 13:15 | <Conaz> | PeteCool_: I hate that |
| 13:16 | <thor_> | Chutt, so selecting CD's goes on active, but doesn't save to DB? |
| 13:16 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 13:16 | <thor_> | tree as well? |
| 13:17 | <thor_> | (in case you forgot to select it) |
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| 13:18 | <thor_> | btw, even lookup seems broken ... not sure how I did that |
| 13:23 | <Chutt> | that's weird |
| 13:23 | <Chutt> | it's not even opening the device, here |
| 13:24 | <thor_> | yeah ... as I said ... I think it must have been broken for a long time ... sorry |
| 13:25 | <Chutt> | oh, wait |
| 13:26 | <Chutt> | i don't have the dvd drive even plugged in =) |
| 13:27 | <thor_> | here it knows how many tracks there are, but it's like it can't find freedb or something ... I'm just looking at libcdaudio stuff to try and figure out what I broke |
| 13:31 | <Chutt> | there we go |
| 13:31 | <Chutt> | drive hooked up now |
| 13:31 | <thor_> | thumb screws! |
| 13:32 | <Chutt> | doh |
| 13:32 | <Chutt> | fsck |
| 13:32 | <Chutt> | i thought i turned that all off |
| 13:36 | <Chutt> | well |
| 13:36 | <Chutt> | hmm |
| 13:36 | <Chutt> | cd bit was empty first time i went in to that screen |
| 13:36 | <Chutt> | went in again, it was populated |
| 13:36 | <Chutt> | with the proper data |
| 13:36 | <thor_> | really? |
| 13:36 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 13:37 | <thor_> | hmmm ... what version libcdaudio? |
| 13:37 | <Chutt> | it didn't play, though |
| 13:37 | <thor_> | that I can fix quickly =) |
| 13:37 | <Chutt> | 0.99.9 |
| 13:37 | <thor_> | me too |
| 13:38 | <thor_> | what's in ~/.cdserverrc |
| 13:38 | <thor_> | ACCESS=remote ? |
| 13:38 | <Chutt> | ACCESS=REMOTE |
| 13:39 | <Chutt> | SERVER=http://www.freedb.org:80/cgi-bin/cddb.cgi CDDB |
| 13:39 | <thor_> | hrm |
| 13:39 | <thor_> | me too |
| 13:39 | <thor_> | wtf ? |
| 13:39 | <Chutt> | oh, wait |
| 13:39 | <Chutt> | the data was cached |
| 13:39 | <thor_> | ya ha ! |
| 13:40 | <thor_> | now just ~ for the CD name ? |
| 13:41 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 13:41 | <thor_> | get a bunch of upside down ?'s on stdout ? |
| 13:42 | <thor_> | (when it looks at the drive) |
| 13:42 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 13:42 | <thor_> | well ... I can fix all this ... but if you have any quick solutions I won't complain |
| 13:43 | <thor_> | =) |
| 13:43 | <Chutt> | well |
| 13:43 | <Chutt> | the issue is in libcdaudio, most likely |
| 13:43 | <Chutt> | 'cdcd' also fails |
| 13:44 | <thor_> | I looked in the changelog, and no word of interface change between 0.99.6 and 0.99.9, but I'll try a downgrade |
| 13:50 | <thor_> | the libcdaudio library page says they're dropping support for lookup. They reccomend musicbrainz ... which seems to be LGPL ... and the database is OpenContent license. |
| 13:51 | <Chutt> | i'm not using the mb library |
| 13:51 | <thor_> | ok |
| 13:57 | <Chutt> | update cvs and remove your ~/.cdserverrc |
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| 13:57 | <Chutt> | should pull info again |
| 13:57 | <Chutt> | rest is playback selection stuff =) |
| 13:58 | <thor_> | I can handle that, np |
| 13:58 | <Chutt> | SERVER=http://freedb.freedb.org:80/~cddb/cddb.cgi CDDB |
| 13:58 | <Chutt> | works |
| 13:59 | <thor_> | groovy |
| 13:59 | <thor_> | I guess I can stop this install of 0.99.6 =) |
| 14:05 | <thor_> | this is going to become a FAQ |
| 14:05 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 14:06 | <thor_> | everything is else is pretty much rock solid I think |
| 14:07 | <bma> | Chutt: so, have you fixed it so mythtv setup will work without a tuner installed? :) |
| 14:08 | <Chutt> | nope |
| 14:08 | <PeteCool_> | Chutt: I found some info on the shoutcast stream format (for mythradio or whatever) |
| 14:08 | <Chutt> | i'm fairly familar with it |
| 14:09 | <Chutt> | already :p |
| 14:09 | <PeteCool_> | Chutt: so simple *I* could code it |
| 14:10 | <PeteCool_> | Chutt: I need to figure out how to open a socket and all that before I could do anything... but I'll finish the french patch before doing that |
| 14:10 | <PeteCool_> | Chutt: will you take a mythtv-only (no modules) patch ? |
| 14:10 | <PeteCool_> | (for the language) |
| 14:10 | <Chutt> | of course |
| 14:11 | <bma> | Chutt: so fix it ;) |
| 14:11 | <PeteCool_> | It should be done today then ;) |
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| 14:11 | <thor_> | yeah! |
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| 14:12 | <Chutt> | bma, you can |
| 14:12 | <JustinP> | I am having a problem that manye people seem to be having. When I run setup i get that: QSqlDatabase warning: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded |
| 14:12 | <Chutt> | install the qt-mysql package like the docs tell you to. |
| 14:13 | <Chutt> | or build qt with mysql support if you were silly enough to compile qt from source |
| 14:13 | <JustinP> | yes, but where can I find it? |
| 14:13 | <JustinP> | I did compile qt from the source |
| 14:13 | <Chutt> | which distribution? |
| 14:13 | <JustinP> | and I did the ./configure -qt-sql-QMYSQL3 -prefix /usr/lib/qt3 |
| 14:13 | <JustinP> | RH 8.0 |
| 14:13 | <thor_> | JustinP, did you read ./configure --help when you built Qt ? |
| 14:13 | <Chutt> | why didn't you just use the rpms? |
| 14:14 | <JustinP> | Chutt: because I couldn't find the one I need |
| 14:14 | <Chutt> | since, well, they work. |
| 14:14 | <Snow-Man> | Chutt: Hey, buy me a GF2 MX400 w/ TV out and drive it down here so I can have it tonight? :) |
| 14:14 | <Chutt> | and compiling your own rarely does |
| 14:14 | <Chutt> | snowman, no |
| 14:14 | <Snow-Man> | :( |
| 14:14 | <JustinP> | Chutt: Can you point me at the files I need? |
| 14:14 | <Chutt> | justinp, you need the qt-mysql plugin |
| 14:14 | <Chutt> | you don't have it. |
| 14:15 | <JustinP> | Where can I get it? |
| 14:15 | <Chutt> | with the qt package |
| 14:15 | <Chutt> | i wouldn't know for such an old distro |
| 14:15 | <thor_> | JustinP, you built from source, it's in the friggin source |
| 14:15 | <JustinP> | rh 8.0 is old? |
| 14:15 | <Snow-Man> | Think there's enough different between cvs and the current debs to cause trouble trying to build cvs debs (just for me, don't yell :)) |
| 14:15 | <Snow-Man> | ? |
| 14:16 | <Chutt> | justinp, quite. |
| 14:16 | <JustinP> | thor_: I did the ./configure -qt-sql-QMYSQL3 -prefix /usr/lib/qt3 shuoldn't that have included it? |
| 14:17 | <thor_> | ./configure -qt-sql-mysql -thread -Xft |
| 14:17 | <thor_> | and QTDIR set to wherever the install goes |
| 14:17 | <thor_> | it's all in ./configure --help |
| 14:17 | <JustinP> | thor_: Do i have to remake it or just re make install? |
| 14:18 | <thor_> | JustinP, if I were you, I'd rm -fr the directory, untar again, and start from scratch. Either that or track down the *correct* rpms |
| 14:18 | <Chutt> | snowman, i don't think so, no |
| 14:19 | <Snow-Man> | Cool, I'll try it. |
| 14:19 | <JustinP> | thor_: Which rpms are needed, and where can I find them? |
| 14:19 | <Snow-Man> | Let's see if I can manage to cvs up from this ancient cvs tree. |
| 14:19 | <thor_> | I dunno, I have never touched Redhat |
| 14:19 | <Chutt> | snowman, nope |
| 14:19 | <Snow-Man> | Chutt: I can't cvsup? Root change? |
| 14:20 | <Chutt> | justinp, there's a redhat 8 section in the mythtv howto. might want to read it |
| 14:20 | <Chutt> | justinp, section 3: checking prerequisites |
| 14:20 | <Chutt> | snowman, yup |
| 14:20 | <Snow-Man> | Damn. |
| 14:20 | <Snow-Man> | Oh well, so it goes. |
| 14:20 | <Snow-Man> | Chutt: Will doing a cvs checkout kill your connection? ;) |
| 14:21 | <Chutt> | nope |
| 14:21 | <Snow-Man> | Well, that's good. |
| 14:21 | <Snow-Man> | It's not SF, is it? |
| 14:21 | <JustinP> | Chutt: but it doesn't tell me where to get it |
| 14:21 | * Snow-Man | is looking around on the homepage for the cvsroot.. |
| 14:21 | <Chutt> | rpmfind, perhaps? |
| 14:22 | <Chutt> | you installed from _somewhere_ |
| 14:22 | <Chutt> | perhaps you'd get the rpms from the same place? |
| 14:22 | <Snow-Man> | Wheee, there it goes. |
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| 14:27 | <Snow-Man> | Oh, bother. The Debian diff has more crap in it than I'd like. |
| 14:29 | <Snow-Man> | Why do I get the feeling at least some of this is in CVS. |
| 14:30 | <Snow-Man> | Hmmm. Ok, so it's not *that* bad. |
| 14:31 | <mdz> | Snow-Man: you calling my diff crap? :-P |
| 14:32 | <Snow-Man> | hahaha |
| 14:32 | <Snow-Man> | O:) |
| 14:32 | <mdz> | everything that's not debian-specific in the diff is in CVS |
| 14:32 | <Snow-Man> | Everything? |
| 14:32 | <Snow-Man> | Well |
| 14:32 | <Snow-Man> | Ok, maybe debian specific, but not debian/ |
| 14:34 | <mdz> | right |
| 14:34 | <Snow-Man> | mdz: I havn't bothered to look yet but- do the scripts handle upgrades and changes to stuff like mc.sql? |
| 14:34 | <mdz> | debian/ + paths and what not, basically |
| 14:34 | <mdz> | Snow-Man: yes |
| 14:34 | <Snow-Man> | ok, cool, I won't worry about that then. |
| 14:34 | <mdz> | Snow-Man: well, if you move to CVS, you'll need to ;-P |
| 14:35 | <Snow-Man> | mdz; erm? |
| 14:35 | <mdz> | Snow-Man: debs and CVS are mutually exclusive |
| 14:35 | <Conaz> | JustinP: you still around? |
| 14:35 | <Snow-Man> | mdz: I'm building CVS debs for me. |
| 14:35 | <mdz> | Snow-Man: ah, well, it won't handle the upgrades to the db then |
| 14:35 | <mdz> | it only does it between releases |
| 14:35 | <Snow-Man> | mdz: Damnit, that's just what I asked. :P |
| 14:36 | <mdz> | supporting upgrades between CVS releases would be insanity |
| 14:36 | <Snow-Man> | bah, blow away the database and rebuild would be my vote. |
| 14:38 | <Conaz> | That is what I do |
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| 14:40 | <Snow-Man> | It'd be nice to specify the default buffers/recordings directories via something else besides hacking the source. |
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| 14:41 | <Snow-Man> | Like, ./configure options or something, you can set arbitrary ones, can't you? |
| 14:42 | <mdz> | Snow-Man: er, what? |
| 14:42 | <mdz> | oh, you mean the defaults |
| 14:43 | <mdz> | well, it'd be easier if Chutt would accept the FHS locations as defaults rather than /mnt/store :-P |
| 14:43 | <Snow-Man> | mdz: Just thinking of ways to make the debian stuff more contained. |
| 14:43 | <Snow-Man> | hahaha |
| 14:43 | <Snow-Man> | mdz: Good luck. ;) |
| 14:43 | <Snow-Man> | It seems to me that damn near everything could be contained in debian/ tho if the defaults for root, var/cache and var/lib could be specified |
| 14:44 | <Snow-Man> | Instead of patched into the source. |
| 14:45 | <Snow-Man> | mythtv (0.9.cvs.20030605-1) unstable; urgency=low |
| 14:45 | <Snow-Man> | * CVS Upstream |
| 14:45 | <Snow-Man> | -- Stephen Frost <sfrost@debian.org> Thu, 5 Jun 2003 14:42:00 -0400 |
| 14:45 | <Snow-Man> | Wheee. |
| 14:45 | <mdz> | Snow-Man: I assume that there is some way to pass parameters to qmake |
| 14:45 | <mdz> | but I have not bothered to learn how |
| 14:46 | <Snow-Man> | Hrmmm. I actually have all the build-depends installed? |
| 14:46 | <mdz> | Snow-Man: that version number is >> 0.9 |
| 14:46 | * Snow-Man | finds that mildly suprising. |
| 14:46 | <Snow-Man> | mdz: oh, yea, I suppose that's true. |
| 14:46 | <mdz> | you have the qt development libs installed? |
| 14:46 | <mdz> | it doesn't take much more than that |
| 14:46 | <Snow-Man> | huh, I thought it took more. Then again, I did compile it before back in like October. |
| 14:47 | <Chutt> | liblame-dev |
| 14:47 | <Chutt> | or whatever it is |
| 14:47 | <Chutt> | is about it on top of qt |
| 14:47 | <Snow-Man> | Bleh, I'm guessing ~ in the version doesn't work yet? |
| 14:47 | <Snow-Man> | Or whatever it's going to be. |
| 14:48 | <Snow-Man> | mythtv (0.8.cvs.0.9.20030605-1) unstable; urgency=low |
| 14:48 | <Snow-Man> | That better? :) |
| 14:49 | <mdz> | ~ is supposed to work with unstable apt and dpkg |
| 14:49 | <mdz> | but I've never tried it myself |
| 14:50 | <mdz> | dpkg 1.10.something and apt 0.5.5+ |
| 14:51 | * Snow-Man | shrugs. |
| 14:51 | * Snow-Man | watches it compile. |
| 14:51 | <Snow-Man> | Oh, I should check, are all those packages on your site from the same source? |
| 14:52 | <Snow-Man> | Looks like it.. |
| 14:52 | <Snow-Man> | errr, the mythtv ones anyway. |
| 14:52 | <Snow-Man> | mythgallery, mythweather, mythweb come from other stuff? |
| 14:52 | <Chutt> | music, game, and video are separate |
| 14:53 | <Chutt> | in addition to those |
| 14:53 | <Snow-Man> | Don't see debs for those atm. |
| 14:53 | <Snow-Man> | May have to fix that tho. |
| 14:54 | <Snow-Man> | Are they all in your CVS repo or no? |
| 14:54 | <Snow-Man> | Failed to fetch http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian/dists/unstable/mythtv/source/mythweb_0.8.orig.tar.gz 404 Not Found |
| 14:54 | <Snow-Man> | :( |
| 14:54 | <Chutt> | everything's in cvs, yea |
| 14:55 | <Snow-Man> | mythgallery is missing too. mythweather is there. |
| 14:55 | <Snow-Man> | Well, the tarballs are missing anyway. I can probably just work from the diff's and stuff. |
| 14:55 | <Chutt> | cvs modules needs cvs mythtv |
| 14:55 | <Chutt> | etc |
| 14:56 | <Snow-Man> | :pserver:freeamp@cvs.freeamp.org:/src/repository |
| 14:56 | <mdz> | Snow-Man: gallery/weather/web are separate from tv |
| 14:56 | <Snow-Man> | Damn, that's *old*. |
| 14:56 | <mdz> | Snow-Man: but all the sources are up there |
| 14:56 | <Snow-Man> | mdz: apt-get source wasn't finding mythgallery and mythweb tarballs. |
| 14:56 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 14:56 | <mdz> | I'm staring at them; they're clearly there |
| 14:56 | <mdz> | what's the URL it tries to get? |
| 14:57 | <Snow-Man> | mdz: Did you see what I pasted above? |
| 14:57 | <mdz> | yep |
| 14:57 | <mdz> | /home/mdz/public_html/debian/dists/unstable/mythtv/source |
| 14:57 | <mdz> | dijkstra:[...ists/unstable/mythtv/source] ls -l mythtv_0.8.orig.tar.gz |
| 14:57 | <mdz> | -rw-r--r-- 1 mdz mdz 1799464 Mar 16 17:59 mythtv_0.8.orig.tar.gz |
| 14:57 | <mdz> | obviously that one is user error :-P |
| 14:57 | <mdz> | what about the others? |
| 14:57 | <Snow-Man> | erm... I said mythweb and mythgallery.. |
| 14:57 | <Snow-Man> | 14:54 <Snow-Man> Failed to fetch |
| 14:57 | <Snow-Man> | http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian/dists/unstable/mythtv/source/mythweb_0.8.orig.tar.gz 404 |
| 14:57 | <mdz> | heh, more #d-d crossover incoming |
| 14:57 | <Snow-Man> | Not Found |
| 14:58 | <mdz> | user error on my part, clearly |
| 14:58 | <Snow-Man> | And that one URL I pasted was mythweb |
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| 14:58 | <Snow-Man> | ohhhhh. |
| 14:58 | <mdz> | diff and dsc are there, looks like I forgot .orig |
| 14:58 | <Snow-Man> | Invade Chutt! |
| 14:58 | <mdz> | they match the ones distributed from mythtv.org of course |
| 14:58 | <Snow-Man> | Well, sure, but, ya know, I'm lazy and stuff. :) |
| 14:58 | <mdz> | uploading them now |
| 14:59 | <Snow-Man> | Cool. :) |
| 14:59 | <mdz> | done |
| 14:59 | <Snow-Man> | Thanks. :) |
| 14:59 | <Chutt> | invade? |
| 14:59 | <Snow-Man> | Much better. |
| 15:00 | <Snow-Man> | Chutt: Well, invade #mythtv with Debian folk. ;) |
| 15:00 | <dilinger> | mdz: so, what kind of hardware are you using? |
| 15:00 | <Snow-Man> | Chutt: Soon you'll be able to just bitch in here about Debian issues and you'll actually hit the right people to fix them. ;) |
| 15:00 | <Chutt> | oh |
| 15:00 | <Chutt> | ok |
| 15:00 | <Chutt> | is unstable safe right now? |
| 15:00 | <Snow-Man> | I just dist-upgrade'd to it before I installed mythtv, but I don't do all the stuff you do. |
| 15:01 | <Snow-Man> | Though mythtv appears to be compiling fine. |
| 15:01 | <Snow-Man> | So that's a bonus. |
| 15:01 | <mdz> | dilinger: 1.4GHz athlon, wintv, nvidia |
| 15:01 | <Snow-Man> | The closest place according to pricewatch with a cheap nvidia card w/ tvout is Ohio. :( |
| 15:02 | <Chutt> | sorry, i'm not driving down to dc |
| 15:02 | <Snow-Man> | hehe. |
| 15:02 | <mdz> | Snow-Man: source ok now? |
| 15:02 | <Snow-Man> | mdz: Yeah, worked fine. |
| 15:02 | <mdz> | cool |
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| 15:04 | <Snow-Man> | Reason to not have 'CREATE TABLE IF NOT EXISTS ' in CVS instead of just 'CREATE TABLE'? |
| 15:04 | <mdz> | I thought that was in CVS by now |
| 15:04 | <Chutt> | mdz hasn't checked it in? |
| 15:04 | <Snow-Man> | Not for mythgallery |
| 15:04 | <Snow-Man> | (at least) |
| 15:05 | <mdz> | ah |
| 15:05 | <mdz> | that I would believe |
| 15:05 | <mdz> | I'm pretty sure mythtv has had that for a long time |
| 15:05 | * Snow-Man | shrugs. |
| 15:06 | <Conaz> | I've not ever done an upgrade, is there a sql file that does alter table commands then? |
| 15:06 | <Chutt> | cvs.sql |
| 15:06 | <Conaz> | when there are table changes that is of course |
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| 15:06 | <Snow-Man> | -rw-r--r-- 1 sfrost sfrost 11372 Jun 5 15:04 mythtv_0.8.cvs.0.9.20030605-1_all.deb |
| 15:06 | <Snow-Man> | Wheee. |
| 15:08 | <Snow-Man> | Of course, I need to change the libmyth stuff to 0.9, doh. |
| 15:09 | <Snow-Man> | +#INCLUDEPATH += $${PREFIX}/include |
| 15:09 | <Snow-Man> | +#INCLUDEPATH *= /usr/local/include |
| 15:09 | <Snow-Man> | What's that fer? (mythweather) |
| 15:09 | * Snow-Man | does too much AM shit. |
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| 15:13 | <mdz> | I don't even use mythgallery, I whipped up a deb just to try it out |
| 15:13 | * Snow-Man | shrugs. |
| 15:15 | <Conaz> | How easy is it to get lirc running under deb? |
| 15:15 | <Conaz> | On rh it is a pain |
| 15:16 | <Conaz> | Of course it would have helped if I would have started with a kernel recompile from teh get go, so I didn't have to install Alsa twice :) |
| 15:16 | <Snow-Man> | dvbchannel.h:31: warning: unused parameter `const QString&format' |
| 15:16 | <Snow-Man> | dvbchannel.h:33: warning: unused parameter `const QString&input' |
| 15:16 | <Snow-Man> | ... |
| 15:17 | <Snow-Man> | Naughty naughty. ;) |
| 15:17 | <mdz> | Snow-Man: *bonk* CVS |
| 15:17 | <Snow-Man> | I know. :) |
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| 15:21 | <Snow-Man> | bah! No copyright file in mythvideo. |
| 15:21 | <Snow-Man> | And it's got SQL stuffs, ugh. |
| 15:23 | * Snow-Man | eyes the mythgallery postinst. |
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| 15:58 | <Snow-Man> | What kind of machine do you need to handle decodeing? |
| 15:59 | <Conaz> | Snow-Man: at what resolution and encoding type? |
| 16:00 | <Snow-Man> | DVD-level stuff? |
| 16:00 | <Snow-Man> | I'm guessing that's the highest quality it'd be. |
| 16:00 | <Snow-Man> | It'd be playing DVDs and myth mpeg-4 stuff.. |
| 16:01 | <Conaz> | The lowest I've run mpeg-4s on is a 750, which handled it pretty well. |
| 16:01 | <Conaz> | With 256MB memory as I recall |
| 16:01 | <Conaz> | I'm sure you could push that a little bit though |
| 16:02 | <Conaz> | Of course I only record at 480x480 |
| 16:02 | <Conaz> | Due to the fact that I have not broken down to pickup a pvr250 yet |
| 16:02 | <PeteCool> | I played back 352x480 mpeg-4 HQ on a celeron 500 with 384 megs without problems |
| 16:04 | <Snow-Man> | The recording and mythtv backend would be on another box. |
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| 16:23 | <bline> | Chutt: you around? |
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| 16:27 | <LeandroD> | hi |
| 16:28 | <thor_> | ciao |
| 16:32 | <LeandroD> | ciao |
| 16:33 | <thor_> | once again, that exhausts my Italian |
| 16:34 | <LeandroD> | eheheh... it is enough... |
| 16:35 | <Chutt> | bline, am now |
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| 16:38 | <marc> | hello? |
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| 16:38 | <thor_> | Chutt, you really want to have CD stuff on the active playlist huh? |
| 16:39 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 16:39 | <thor_> | grrrrr |
| 16:39 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 16:39 | <Chutt> | makes the most sense to be there |
| 16:39 | <thor_> | copy playlist? |
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| 16:39 | <thor_> | hmph! |
| 16:40 | <marc> | hello |
| 16:40 | <marc> | ? |
| 16:41 | <thor_> | marc, we're here, but terrified you're going to ask what to do about QTMYSQL errors |
| 16:41 | <marc> | no, not at all :-) |
| 16:42 | <thor_> | or, why doesn't my ATI AIW work? |
| 16:42 | <marc> | more like popping in, saying hello and sounding off why the mailing list won't accept my messages :-) |
| 16:42 | <thor_> | subscribed? |
| 16:42 | <Chutt> | it helps if you subscribe, generally |
| 16:42 | <marc> | been there, done that |
| 16:43 | <thor_> | t-shirt? |
| 16:43 | <marc> | and yes, i checked that my address works |
| 16:43 | <Chutt> | what address? |
| 16:43 | <marc> | lister@gerges.net |
| 16:43 | <Chutt> | and which list? |
| 16:43 | <marc> | users |
| 16:52 | <Snow-Man> | A mailing list user, eh? |
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| 16:52 | <Snow-Man> | mwahhahaha. |
| 16:52 | <bline> | Chutt: how much bandwidth does cvs use? |
| 16:52 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: what would I need to get the shoutcast data stream? only create a QSocket, connect to the host, and read from that socket? |
| 16:53 | <Snow-Man> | Jun 5 12:29:55 syslog@relay/relay sm-mta[26691]: h55GRRZU026689: to=<lister@gerges.net>, delay=00:02:27, xdelay=00:00:02, mailer=esmtp, pri=3146308, relay=mail.gerges.net. [81.209.142.39], dsn=5.1.1, stat=User unknown |
| 16:53 | <Snow-Man> | heh. |
| 16:54 | <Snow-Man> | Mostly looks ok though, lots of 'Message accepted for delivery' stuff. |
| 16:54 | <Chutt> | bline, no idea |
| 16:54 | <Chutt> | i don't see any moderated posts from lister@gerges.net |
| 16:54 | <Chutt> | petecool, yup |
| 17:02 | <bline> | Ok, Alex just wanted to make sure it wasn't _a lot_, like over 15G's a month. |
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| 17:03 | <_marc> | grmbl |
| 17:03 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: is the <alttext> i18'able in the xml files? SasQ uses them - maybe that's broken behaviour? |
| 17:04 | <PeteCool> | it doesn't use the alttext everywhere, that's weird |
| 17:05 | <Chutt> | i dunno |
| 17:05 | <Chutt> | i think it should be |
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| 17:23 | <Conaz> | question for you all: is the mythtranscode mostly for migrating the mpeg-2 (from the hardware device) to mpeg-4 to save space? If so, is that done on a schedule? |
| 17:25 | <Chutt> | it's not really for anything right now |
| 17:27 | <Conaz> | I figured it wasn't complete, from reading the mail list |
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| 17:27 | <Conaz> | I was mostly curious about the future plan for it |
| 17:27 | <Conaz> | I must not have hit those posts where the discussion took place about the direction of that part |
| 17:28 | <rkulagow> | cool. got the hauppauge grey remote working with the pvr-250 in the pundit. next stop: living room. |
| 17:29 | <Conaz> | hehee |
| 17:29 | <Conaz> | Will that unit lay on it's side? |
| 17:29 | <Conaz> | Or is that a base on the bottom that I see in the photo? |
| 17:30 | <rkulagow> | thor: answer conaz's questions while i'm setting up, eh? |
| 17:30 | <Conaz> | Hehee |
| 17:30 | <thor_> | Conaz, you can remove the feet and lay it on it's side, but it's not cosmetically pretty (ventilation holes, etc.) |
| 17:30 | <Conaz> | Ahh |
| 17:30 | <thor_> | plus the door won't open |
| 17:31 | <thor_> | so you'd have to lay it on something |
| 17:31 | <Conaz> | Ah, yes, hinged so it would have to lift up the unit |
| 17:31 | <thor_> | I asked the same question yesterday |
| 17:31 | <Conaz> | Stick some other rubber feet on the bottom (side) I suppose |
| 17:31 | <thor_> | I think I'm going to go with a Cool Master 620 |
| 17:31 | <Conaz> | I've actually opted to try the xbox (arrives tomorrow) |
| 17:32 | <Conaz> | Of course my mod-chip is on backorder, and won't ship till next week... which figures of course |
| 17:34 | <Conaz> | Hehee, I forgot that the myth-dev list was read only to me :) |
| 17:35 | <Conaz> | I am going to get my hardware guy to purchase a few pundit machines for testing here as workstations, hoping to get my hands on one to test for a bit ;) |
| 17:35 | <thor_> | Woooo HOOOOO one "return &(*iterator)" brain scratching solution later, CD is playing now officially un-broken |
| 17:36 | <Conaz> | just in time for 0.9 |
| 17:37 | <thor_> | although that 1411200 kbps second display doesn't look quite right |
| 17:38 | <PeteCool> | thor_: the coolearmaster 620 looks great, please tell how it is in RL, if/when you get one :) |
| 17:38 | <thor_> | yup |
| 17:39 | <thor_> | PeteCool, tu es Quebecois ? |
| 17:41 | <PeteCool> | thor_: ouaip |
| 17:42 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: alttext translates just fine |
| 17:42 | <PeteCool> | thor_: et toi? |
| 17:42 | <thor_> | ls c'est ls bien la bonne ls ca la |
| 17:42 | <thor_> | PeteCool, Canadian, mais j'ai ete a l'Universite a Montreal pour 8 ans |
| 17:43 | <thor_> | and my french still sucks |
| 17:43 | <PeteCool> | thor_: cool! |
| 17:43 | <PeteCool> | thor_: my french is bad too ;) |
| 17:43 | <PeteCool> | thor_: not in the same way |
| 17:43 | <PeteCool> | thor_: what did you study? |
| 17:43 | <Conaz> | everyone have a good evening |
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| 17:44 | <thor_> | PeteCool, economics |
| 17:44 | Usage: | QUERY <nick>, opens up a new privmsg window to someone |
| 17:45 | <PeteCool> | thor_: how did you learn to program? on your own only? |
| 17:46 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: mythprogfind isn't i18n'able yet, right? |
| 17:48 | <thor_> | PeteCool, I'm not sure I ever learned |
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| 17:51 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: is it normal diff, less and nano see my unicode files as binary? They seem to work fine, though |
| 17:52 | <mdz> | PeteCool: yes |
| 17:52 | <mdz> | PeteCool: use diff -a |
| 17:52 | <mdz> | and a unicode-friendly pager and editor |
| 17:52 | <mdz> | lv is a reasonable less-like pager which should understand it |
| 17:53 | <PeteCool> | mdz: k, thanks =) |
| 17:57 | <PeteCool> | mdz: hmm, the diff is still showing some junk... >:( |
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| 19:39 | <JustinP> | When I run setup, I can't select any options... I don't have a mouse curser and hitting numbers odesn't work |
| 19:40 | <thor_> | up down to highlight, left right to change |
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| 19:53 | <JustinP> | ahh thanks |
| 19:54 | <JustinP> | this mythtv thing rocks |
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| 20:16 | <PeteCool> | mdz: what do you use as utf text editor? vi/vim? |
| 20:32 | <PeteCool> | at least, unired seems to work better than scite... |
| 20:34 | <JustinP> | What does this mean: |
| 20:34 | <JustinP> | Error getting inputs for the capturecard. Perhaps you have |
| 20:34 | <JustinP> | forgotten to bind video sources to your card's inputs? |
| 20:34 | <JustinP> | TV is defined, but isn't attached to a cardinput. |
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| 20:39 | <Chutt> | means you skipped the entire 4th step of the setup program, and need to go read the docs again |
| 20:46 | <thor_> | Chutt, thanks for that |
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| 21:07 | <JustinP> | Anyone know how to make it so it plays faster? everything is really slow :( |
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| 21:18 | <bline> | Chutt: you get what I msged you? |
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| 21:25 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: do you want the .qm in my patch ? |
| 21:27 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: nm, shouldn't matter anyway |
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| 22:05 | <bigguy> | lo bline |
| 22:05 | <bigguy> | what dist was it that you were having trouble with qt on? |
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| 22:05 | <bline> | me? |
| 22:05 | <bigguy> | yeah |
| 22:06 | <bigguy> | I thought it was you |
| 22:06 | <bline> | I' ve not had trouble with qt I can remember |
| 22:06 | <bigguy> | hmm |
| 22:06 | <bline> | why? |
| 22:06 | <bigguy> | default vs i686-blah |
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| 22:06 | <bigguy> | just a link |
| 22:06 | <bline> | oh, yeah |
| 22:06 | <bline> | running qmake again fixes it |
| 22:07 | <bline> | s/again// |
| 22:07 | <bigguy> | but what dist was it? |
| 22:07 | <bline> | gentoo |
| 22:07 | <bigguy> | ah |
| 22:08 | <bigguy> | you hoping the python init stuff pans out? |
| 22:08 | <bigguy> | hopeing |
| 22:09 | <bline> | I havn't been keeping up with the developement for a few months |
| 22:09 | <bline> | too many other things on my plate |
| 22:09 | <bigguy> | ah |
| 22:10 | <bigguy> | my plates been pretty empty for about a month now |
| 22:10 | <bigguy> | I need a part time emt job |
| 22:11 | <bline> | I need a vacation :) |
| 22:11 | <bigguy> | to last through my school and summer |
| 22:12 | <bline> | maybe the bahamas |
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| 22:14 | <PeteCool> | make install is telling me my .xml files are invalid, again... |
| 22:16 | <PeteCool> | I finally decided to boot into gentoo, a f*sk the utf-8 wannabe windows editors... which would work for sure? scite, gvim, something else? |
| 22:16 | <PeteCool> | Its like the 3rd time I rewrite them all =( |
| 22:17 | <PeteCool> | I'd like not to waste more time, if possible |
| 22:17 | <bigguy> | writting french translations? |
| 22:17 | <PeteCool> | yup |
| 22:19 | <bigguy> | I use vim but I don't do much of anything in utf |
| 22:19 | <bigguy> | don't write in any languages other than english |
| 22:20 | <bline> | I think vim supports different language, I know it has a arab mode.. |
| 22:21 | <bigguy> | yeah pretty sure it does |
| 22:21 | <thor_> | PeteCool, I have no idea, but this is off a Google search: |
| 22:21 | <thor_> | http://lists.arabeyes.org/archives/developer/2003/March/msg00033.html |
| 22:21 | <bigguy> | the author of vim isn't a native speaker I don't think |
| 22:24 | <PeteCool> | thor_: looks nice |
| 22:24 | <PeteCool> | thor_: actually, the screenshot doesn't look as good as the description ;) |
| 22:24 | <mdz_> | PeteCool: emacs |
| 22:28 | <thor_> | that is pretty much the ugliest interface I've ever seen, I'd listen to mdz if I were you |
| 22:29 | <thor_> | and while you're in emacs, you can re-implement Myth in lisp |
| 22:29 | <PeteCool> | thor_: that just won't happen =) |
| 22:29 | <bline> | EmacsOS |
| 22:29 | * bline | starts an editor war |
| 22:31 | <PeteCool> | wtf, 20 megs of source ! |
| 22:31 | <PeteCool> | 2.4.0 was about that size ;) |
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| 22:41 | <mike__> | hey. anyone happen to know if the wintv-go model 700 card works with btaudio? i can't seem to get it and google is a little light on this card |
| 22:43 | <bigguy> | no it doesn't |
| 22:43 | <bigguy> | it's a mono card |
| 22:43 | <mike__> | ah. so i should give this back to the store i borrowed it from and get another? :) |
| 22:44 | <bigguy> | that's what I'd do |
| 22:44 | <mike__> | is there a list somewhere of ones that work? |
| 22:44 | <bigguy> | hmm |
| 22:44 | <vektor> | you should start one |
| 22:44 | <bigguy> | dunno for sure |
| 22:44 | <mike__> | sure. i'll start one with this one not working |
| 22:44 | <vektor> | great |
| 22:44 | <vektor> | it'd probably be a good resource |
| 22:45 | <vektor> | i'll send you the info from the cards i have if you set up the page and stuff |
| 22:45 | <PeteCool> | mdz: anything special I need to do for emacs for it to save in utf-8? |
| 22:45 | * bigguy | lags downloading tv shows |
| 22:47 | <mdz_> | PeteCool: does it say 'utf-8' in the modeline (bottom of the window)? |
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| 22:47 | <mdz_> | coding: utf-8 or such |
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| 22:48 | <mike__> | so i should be looking for any wintvgo card that works in stereo? |
| 22:48 | <mdz_> | if not, do Options->Mule->Set Language Environment->UTF-8 |
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| 22:50 | <bigguy> | mike__: there are no wintvgo's that are stereo |
| 22:51 | <bigguy> | wintv go is there cheap card |
| 22:52 | <mike__> | so none of the wintv cards work with btaudio? |
| 22:52 | <vektor> | my wintv go card seems to load fine with the module |
| 22:52 | <vektor> | and registered a dsp device |
| 22:52 | <vektor> | i assume it works although i have not tried, i can try now though |
| 22:52 | <Chutt> | registering a device doesn't mean anything |
| 22:52 | <vektor> | oh? |
| 22:52 | <PeteCool> | mdz_: aah, now the diff makes sense - it doesn't remove every line any more |
| 22:52 | <mike__> | ya i can register the device no problem |
| 22:52 | <PeteCool> | mdz_: a million thanks ;) |
| 22:52 | <Chutt> | it'll always do that if there's a bttv chip present |
| 22:52 | <vektor> | so how can i easily tell if it works? |
| 22:52 | <mike__> | but the bttv module doesn't see the msp43xx chip |
| 22:53 | <Chutt> | regardless if it works or not |
| 22:53 | <Chutt> | generally, mono cards won't work, regardless of manufacturer |
| 22:53 | <Chutt> | they're not hooked up for it |
| 22:54 | <mike__> | hmm |
| 22:54 | <mike__> | that doesn't seem to make sense. what does # of channels have to do with a pci exit as opposed to just the audio |
| 22:54 | <Chutt> | um, of course it makes sense., |
| 22:55 | <Chutt> | it has to do with how the card is designed |
| 22:55 | <Chutt> | stereo decoding needs an extra chip |
| 22:55 | <mike__> | i don't see how the two would be connected |
| 22:56 | <Chutt> | blah blah blah, whatever |
| 22:56 | <vektor> | mike__: are you just sad you didn't know before you bought the card? |
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| 22:57 | <Chutt> | vektor, it's easy to test, just record from the digital dsp it created at stereo 32kHz |
| 22:57 | <rcaskey_> | Chutt: is there a page with cvs info around? |
| 22:57 | <mike__> | nah. i got it at a place with a 60 day money back return policy just for this reason |
| 22:57 | <Chutt> | rcaskey, several |
| 22:57 | <rcaskey_> | url? |
| 22:57 | <Chutt> | the docs are a good place to start :p |
| 22:57 | <vektor> | mike__: is it really that big a deal? why not just use your soundcard? |
| 22:58 | <Chutt> | rcaskey, first section of the howto |
| 22:58 | <mike__> | it's not a big deal really. i was just trying to understand how stereo was connected to moving audio across the pci bus |
| 22:58 | <rcaskey_> | Chutt: ahh, ok. |
| 22:58 | <rcaskey_> | Chutt: are you planning on contributing myth to unstable at .10 or are you going to wait until 1.0? |
| 22:58 | <Chutt> | mike, as i said, stereo decoding requires an extra chip |
| 22:59 | <Chutt> | it's going to 0.10 |
| 22:59 | <Chutt> | it can't be in debian. |
| 22:59 | <Chutt> | mike, without that chip, all the people do is route the sound to the line-out on the card |
| 22:59 | <Chutt> | the card doesn't touch the audio at all |
| 22:59 | <Chutt> | so it can't be transferred over the pci bus |
| 22:59 | <rcaskey_> | Chutt: legal issues? |
| 22:59 | <mike__> | ah. so it's that they don't bother if they don't need to |
| 22:59 | <mike__> | that makes sense |
| 23:00 | <Chutt> | now, of course, some stereo cards aren't hooked up in the proper way to use btaudio |
| 23:00 | <Chutt> | but most of em work |
| 23:00 | <vektor> | btaudio is a hack |
| 23:00 | <Chutt> | at least from what i understand |
| 23:00 | <Chutt> | people on my mailing list are dumb |
| 23:00 | <Chutt> | insisting that mythtv is locking up their machine |
| 23:02 | <bigguy> | the only lockups I've ever had in linux were hardware/driver relasted |
| 23:02 | <vektor> | that's because that's all they ever could be |
| 23:02 | <bigguy> | ugh |
| 23:02 | <vektor> | unless your app uses SCHED_FIFO ;) |
| 23:02 | <bigguy> | right |
| 23:02 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 23:02 | <bigguy> | my point |
| 23:02 | <thor_> | well, fork bombs used to work |
| 23:02 | <rcaskey_> | Chutt: hmm, the frontend is still not seperated out from the tv stuff? |
| 23:03 | <Chutt> | rcaskey, it just tries to connect to the backend on startup |
| 23:03 | <mike__> | X used to lock up often |
| 23:03 | <Chutt> | if that was made to be on demand, it'd run happily without it |
| 23:03 | <mike__> | but you could still usually get in |
| 23:03 | <mike__> | and kill it |
| 23:04 | <rcaskey_> | its complaining about the blank cvs password |
| 23:05 | <Chutt> | someone's using cvs right now |
| 23:05 | <Chutt> | thor, that guy needs to regenerate the segfault |
| 23:05 | <Chutt> | as what he sent in is, well, broken |
| 23:06 | <thor_> | Chutt, it looked a wee bit odd, but I know next to nothing about gdb |
| 23:06 | <Chutt> | core file |
| 23:06 | <Chutt> | no no |
| 23:06 | <Chutt> | =) |
| 23:06 | <thor_> | you're going to like the proper pixmap stuff in latest commit |
| 23:06 | <Chutt> | cool |
| 23:07 | <Chutt> | pixmaps? |
| 23:07 | * rcaskey_ | wants to make sure the new version works on his rather large collection before getting released to the masses ;) |
| 23:07 | <Chutt> | oh, for the --config stuff |
| 23:07 | <thor_> | you'll see |
| 23:07 | <thor_> | no no |
| 23:07 | <Chutt> | no, this is separate -- i just wanted that to go straight to the config menu |
| 23:07 | <thor_> | ah |
| 23:07 | <thor_> | uhm |
| 23:08 | <thor_> | err |
| 23:08 | <thor_> | I'll figure it ouyt |
| 23:08 | <thor_> | out |
| 23:08 | <Chutt> | well, you have most of it |
| 23:08 | <Chutt> | just make it do a 'runmenu' on the config .xml file |
| 23:08 | <thor_> | ok |
| 23:09 | <thor_> | Video tree list is almost ready for commit |
| 23:09 | <Chutt> | instead of the main music .xml file |
| 23:09 | <Chutt> | sweet |
| 23:09 | <Chutt> | nice work =) |
| 23:10 | <moegreen> | Chutt: should I add a --config for MythVideo? |
| 23:10 | <Chutt> | sure, if you have time |
| 23:10 | <Chutt> | do you guys think that makes sense |
| 23:10 | <Chutt> | (moving the config stuff into the main, top level menu) |
| 23:10 | <Chutt> | ? |
| 23:11 | <thor_> | it's a bit odd for, say, scan music |
| 23:11 | <moegreen> | Chutt: I like it there - but do you mean, then removing it from the module itself? |
| 23:11 | <thor_> | it's really up to the menu/theme, no? |
| 23:11 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 23:12 | <Chutt> | thor, yeah, i was thinking scan music wouldn't fit in there anymore :( |
| 23:12 | <Chutt> | but, i think it makes more sense, especially as there's shared settings |
| 23:12 | <mike__> | laters |
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| 23:13 | <thor_> | as long as we put in the --config infrastructure, people can tweak it to their heart's content |
| 23:14 | <Chutt> | thor, cds still don't show up on the first time i enter the playlist, though |
| 23:14 | <thor_> | huh? |
| 23:14 | <Chutt> | oh, wait |
| 23:14 | <Chutt> | there it did |
| 23:14 | <Chutt> | weird |
| 23:14 | <thor_> | threads and timers baby |
| 23:15 | <Chutt> | i get a lot of 'QString::arg(): Argument missing: 1 ~ <trackname> |
| 23:15 | <thor_> | that doesn't sound very good |
| 23:15 | <Chutt> | when i enter the playback screen with cds selected |
| 23:16 | <thor_> | this is very weird .. I've been banging on it for a few hours and it works great here |
| 23:16 | <Chutt> | oh, it's working |
| 23:16 | <Chutt> | just get that on the console |
| 23:16 | <thor_> | still |
| 23:16 | <thor_> | odd |
| 23:17 | <Chutt> | i'll look for it |
| 23:19 | <thor_> | I got it |
| 23:19 | <thor_> | last minute thing |
| 23:19 | <thor_> | in playlist.cpp writeTree |
| 23:20 | <thor_> | I'll commit in a sec |
| 23:20 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 23:20 | <Chutt> | missing the %1, there =) |
| 23:20 | <thor_> | had track number before |
| 23:21 | * rcaskey_ | still can't get into cvs. Did you say there was a limit on anon clients? |
| 23:21 | <rkulagow> | pundit is now in the living room with a working grey remote on Mandrake 9.1/Cooker. the weird thing is that you can't even hear the CPU fan, compiles, foldingathome, etc. _unless_ i'm running lm_sensors. |
| 23:21 | <Chutt> | rcaskey, nope |
| 23:21 | <rkulagow> | lm_sensors makes that thing sound like a jet engine. |
| 23:21 | <rcaskey_> | oh, should the password be blank for the mythtv user? |
| 23:21 | <Chutt> | no |
| 23:22 | <PeteCool> | rcaskey_: no, it mythtv |
| 23:22 | <Chutt> | thor, cd playback works nicely |
| 23:22 | <thor_> | I have yet to crash it |
| 23:22 | <rcaskey_> | oky |
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| 23:26 | <rkulagow_> | cool. it works, and it's readable on the TV. |
| 23:26 | <thor_> | commited ... you notice the pixmaps ... those are sweet |
| 23:32 | <bigguy> | hmm weird about lm_sensors |
| 23:32 | <bigguy> | you'd think it'd have no effect |
| 23:35 | <thor_> | rkulagow, I have not yet done anything about cd extra stuff. I was looking for a disc with some cd-extra stuff and I don't have one. |
| 23:35 | <thor_> | anyone know how to burn one? |
| 23:43 | <rkulagow_> | hrmm. i suppose if you had an .iso |
| 23:44 | <thor_> | I can even pick something up tomorrow if there's an obvious example that just about any record shop would have |
| 23:44 | <bline> | what's a good dvd burning program? |
| 23:45 | <moegreen> | thor_: is the CD Extra stuff, cd's with the track names on it already? |
| 23:46 | <thor_> | I have no idea, but apparently whatever "they" are, "they" don't rip properly in mythmusic |
| 23:46 | <bigguy> | moegreen: I think he is talking about cd's with an iso9660 part |
| 23:46 | <rkulagow_> | cd extras are data tracks, usually windows or Mac programs that "enhance" the experience when played in a PC. |
| 23:47 | <bigguy> | like cd's that have a music video or "enhanced" |
| 23:47 | <rkulagow_> | they'll autostart something. |
| 23:47 | <thor_> | ok, so a currently popular available title that we know has this problem? |
| 23:47 | <rkulagow_> | one of my sarah mclachlan CDs is a CD extra; i think "fumbling towards ecstasy" |
| 23:47 | <moegreen> | thor_: Barenaked Ladies - Born On a Pirate Ship has that stuff |
| 23:47 | <thor_> | great |
| 23:48 | <thor_> | all Canadian, of course |
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| 23:48 | <moegreen> | thor_: or you can do a search at cdnow.com, in the album title type: ENHANCED CD |
| 23:48 | <bigguy> | I know the BSB original cd has it |
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| 23:49 | <thor_> | just to be clear, ENHANCED = CD EXTRA |
| 23:49 | <thor_> | and, rkulagow, it only crashes on ripping, yes? |
| 23:49 | <bigguy> | they all have a data part and a audiocd part |
| 23:50 | <bigguy> | you can make them with mkisofs and some other tools |
| 23:51 | <bigguy> | there are howtos |
| 23:51 | <rkulagow_> | thor: it's not like a crash, per-se, it just takes "forever". last time i did it was before i had gotten the hang of troubleshooting |
| 23:51 | <rkulagow_> | (like i'm better now) |
| 23:51 | <thor_> | ok, |
| 23:52 | <thor_> | bigguy, less time to walk down the block than start reading cdrdao man pages |
| 23:54 | <rkulagow_> | bbl. ciao! (or, later, hosers, for you canadian types) |
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