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00:19<just1nux>can i revert to the cvs mythtv from an earlier date (say a week or so ago?) and if so, how?
00:20<bigguy>cvs co -D05/30/03 mythtv?
00:20<bigguy>I forget
00:21<bline>"one week ago" works I think
00:21<just1nux>thanks, ill give it a try
00:33<thor_>something tells me Chutt is hovering between the delete and send buttons
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01:01<Chutt>i wonder if gdb works at all with threads in rh9
01:02<thor_>can't help you there
01:03<thor_>weird it's always QValueVector related (or appears to be, to those who have no idea what they're talking about)
01:10<just1nux>can anyone tell me what i can do about this? i get this error over and over and im not sure how to fix what it is complaining about "Incorrect key file for table: 'recordedmarkup'. Try to repair it
01:10<just1nux>DB Error (position map insert):
01:10<just1nux>Query was:
01:10<just1nux>INSERT recordedmarkup (chanid, starttime, mark, type, offset) values ( '1003', '20030606000000', 61, 6, "16031904");
01:11<Chutt>sounds like your mysql db is at least partially corrupt
01:11<Chutt>i've not seen that error before, though
01:12<just1nux>must have gotten corrupted when the whole thing froze up today.
01:13<Chutt>aye :(
01:13<Chutt>driver's got a deadlock in it somewhere
01:14<just1nux>froze up just as 'the amazing race' started :(
01:14<Chutt>generally happens to me right as it starts recording
01:14<bline>so that is the deadlocks I've been seeing
01:14<Chutt>but hasn't happened in a week or so
01:14<Chutt>bline, most likely
01:14<bline>Hope it wasn't my patch
01:14<just1nux>i never had a problem with it until i updated to the cvs from last night, thus im trying to go back to a week ago which worked fine for me
01:15<Chutt>it's _really_ random
01:15<Chutt>there haven't been any changes in the past week that could cause anything like that
01:16<Chutt>since i've been busy with real work stuff, and haven't had a chance to break anything =)
01:16<just1nux>could have been more than a week, but not more than 2 weeks.
01:17<Chutt>nothing's changed on the recording-side of things at all
01:17<Chutt>some playback code changed, but unless you've turned it on, you're using the older code
01:18<just1nux>ok, well maybe i should have gotten a version from cvs 2 weeks ago then.
01:19<Chutt>if it requires a hard reset, it's a driver bug
01:19<Chutt>and nothin in mythtv can affect it
01:20<just1nux>but something had to trigger it?
01:20<Chutt>'specially with the pvr-250, as all i'm doing is reading from the device
01:21<just1nux>are you sure its a pvr-250 problem?
01:21<Chutt>well, an ivtv problem
01:21<bline>Chutt: when you see the deadlocks does your harddrive light stay on?
01:21<Chutt>bline, i don't have it hooked up
01:21<Chutt>so, dunno =)
01:22<just1nux>not sure i didnt look at it (pc is in the close under the staircase...)just stuck my hand in and hit the power button.
01:22<bline>the code isn't that complicated, maybe I should try finding it
01:22<Chutt>the main ivtv guy's seen it as well
01:22<Chutt>and he doesn't use mythtv, so..
01:23<Chutt>he was trying to get a serial console to log (all) the data that the driver can put out, to trace it down better
01:23<Chutt>but it wasn't fast enough to keep up with the amount of messages
01:23<just1nux>does it happen with both firmwares? cuz my card didnt like the firmware posted on the mythtv site, but someone had posted one on the mailing list that works great.
01:24<Chutt>i'm just using the firmware from my -250 CD
01:25<just1nux>hmm, never thought to check the cd i got
01:25<Chutt>my laptop's going crazy again :(
01:25<bline>hmm, the time isn't synced with the display anymore
01:26<bline>The display shows 44:09 of 44:09 but it's still playing
01:26<Chutt>much left?
01:26<bline>and I can't fast forward
01:26<Chutt>in progress?
01:26<bline>It's been playing like this for atleast a minute
01:27<bline>when I try to fast forward it shows that.
01:27<Chutt>is the recording in progress
01:27<Chutt>or did you start it while it was in progress
01:27<bline>No, it was prerecorded
01:27<Chutt>must not've had a complete seek table or something, then
01:28<bline>I did notice that when I fast forwarded it earlier the time seemed to go forward but the display didnt
01:28<bline>it was only happened when I tried to fast forward too fast though
01:29<Chutt>the time it displays is only a guess
01:29<Chutt>i've been meaning to fix that
01:29<bline>still playing heh
01:29<Chutt>well, when you fast forward -- it just adds the seek time to the current position
01:29<Chutt>regardless of if it's going to actually go there
01:29<Chutt>so if it's still fast forwarding, it can get off
01:30<bline>the show doesn't even look close to over
01:30<Chutt>sounds like the seek table got cut off for some reason
01:30<Chutt>if there's only a partial one, no seeking
01:31<Chutt>well, past the end of where it thinks the end is =)
01:31<just1nux>btw, i repaired my recordingmarkup table and im not getting that SQL error now. there were an incorrect number of rows. had to have been corrupted when it froze.
01:31<bline>I wonder how it got into this state
01:32<Chutt>bline, notice any errors in the backend log?
01:32<Chutt>or anything in the mysql error log?
01:32* blinechecks
01:32<Chutt>captain_murdoch, err, why's there a static variable in mpegrecorder.cpp?
01:33<Chutt>god damnit
01:35<Chutt>you've only got one card, right?
01:35<Chutt>(to bline)
01:35<thor_>Chutt, what do you think about a preview window for TreeView of MythVideo
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01:36<Chutt>well, potentially
01:36<Chutt>but i imagine that'd be a pain to get working everywhere
01:36<thor_>I can use a UIType BlackHole to get the geometry types and probably force mplayer to fit there
01:36<Chutt>especially if people want to use other things to play back random files..
01:36<thor_>I may actually have to download mplayer
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01:37<thor_>all those damn codecs
01:37<thor_>let's see
01:37<Chutt>how are you handling random file associations?
01:37<thor_>I dunno .... haven't got there yet
01:37<thor_>it's just tree data to me
01:37<thor_>so far
01:37<Chutt>easiest thing to do might be to just reuse the old mythvideo code
01:38<thor_>I've got all the tree browsing stuff working, so MythVideo->ListView looks a lot like MythMusic->Play, just a question of what to do when a user enters a leaf node
01:40<just1nux>Is mythvideo going to do any filtering of filenames? sometimes i have non-video file in the same tree as mythvideo is set to use and of course i dont really need to see all the txt file and other things.
01:40<Chutt>directories on the left, files on the right?
01:40<thor_>and it's only 160 lines of code
01:40<thor_>but subs on the right if they exist
01:40<thor_>and so on down
01:41<Chutt>ah, i see
01:41<thor_>uh oh
01:42<thor_>just1nux, yes ... at least if moegreen's code is working as it is intended to
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01:42<Chutt>thor, i'm thinking monday night for the release, btw
01:42<Chutt>bline, you've only got one pvr-250, right?
01:42<bline>grr system crashed again
01:43<bline>and a wintv go
01:43<thor_>I'm here, no travel for work, and my wife is away
01:43<Chutt>ok, they shouldn't effect each other
01:43<bline>but I loaned it to a friend
01:43<thor_>Monday sounds good
01:43<Chutt>captain_murdoch wrote some un-threadsafe code, but that'd only hurt things if it were the same card type
01:43<Chutt>thanks for having that seektable issue, i at least saw this
01:44<bline>I think I have either kernel problems or hardware problems
01:44<Chutt>current cvs has been great for me
01:44<bline>vimming the mysql log crashed me
01:44<Chutt>i haven't had that random ivtv hang in at least a week or two
01:44<Chutt>bad ram?
01:44<bline>yeah, or bad kernel
01:44<bline>I've seen this before for one of the kernel patches
01:45<bline>maybe I'll give 4.5 a try :)
01:46<bline>man do I get enough viruses in email
01:47<bline>I think it all started when I email address went on cpan
01:47<bline>s/I e/my e/
01:47<Chutt>speakeasy's started server-based virus filtering, here
01:47<Chutt>now most of mine just get discarded
01:47<bline>I setup spam filtering for us, it actually catches lots of the viruses
01:48<bline>I would hack it up to catch them all if I wasn't so lazy
01:48<Chutt>they're also doing spam filtering
01:48<Chutt>and that's not so good =)
01:48<Chutt>first day it was like 25% f+s
01:48<Chutt>but it's quite a bit better now
01:48<Chutt>silly people
01:49<bline>spamassassin is nice
01:49<Chutt>i didn't like the huge amount of cpu spamassassin wanted
01:49<bline>yeah, it is a hog
01:49* blineblames perl
01:49<Chutt>to the point of making my recordings drop frames
01:50<bline>should do it on the server end
01:50<bline>btw, did you get all the messages I sent you?
01:50<Chutt>i have all my email forwarded to speakeasy, then i just pop it from there
01:50<Chutt>two of em?
01:50<Chutt>i haven't looked into that yet
01:51<bline>it's all setup if you still want it.
01:51<Chutt>need to figure out how the easily mirror a cvs repository first
01:51<Chutt>'how to'
01:51<bline>rsync on a cronjob :)
01:52<Chutt>then i need to decide how best to handle the name
01:52<Chutt>i'll probably make it ''
01:52<bline>I had to disable the cvs server for tonight, but it will be back on tomarrow
01:52<Chutt>mainly so i don't have to change my cvsroot =)
01:52<Chutt>ah, crap
01:52<Chutt>i need to be asleep
01:52<bline>We seem to have an old volnerable version of CVS on that server.
01:53<Chutt>gotta finish up what i was doing for work, first, unfortunatly
01:54<Chutt>or however you spell that
01:54<bline>so is going on that server?
01:55<bline>you have ssh access when you feel like setting things up. If I need to change anything let me know.
01:55<Chutt>probably next week
01:55<Chutt>if that's ok with you
01:55* blinedoesn't do early real well :)
01:55<Chutt>early in the week
01:55<Chutt>day wise
01:55<bline>oh heh
01:56<Chutt>nocturnal schedule?
01:56<bline>somewhat, my schedule seems to have a life of it's own
01:59<Chutt>great, done for the night finally
01:59<Chutt>now, g'nite =)
01:59<thor_>g'night John Boy
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04:47<Viddy>thats what you get when you work at dupont
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04:48<marc>nope. it
04:48* Viddykicks himself.... of course....
04:48<marc>far away from things that smell bad when they crash
04:49<Viddy>after much thought, im not sure that i could work at a company like dupont
04:49<Viddy>(as a chemist)
04:49<marc>why not?
04:51<Viddy>certain ethical considerations. however, one might argue what has happened in the past is the past, and one needs to move on
04:52<marc>wouldn't be aware that dupont is the bad guy in the industry.
04:52<marc>it's not like dow or monsanto...
04:55<Viddy>the other argument is that its a chemical company, they make mistakes like everyone else, and they cant be held accountable for what people do with thier products, right?
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04:56<marc>it's not 'people' doing stuff with our products. hardly anthing we sell to 'people', we're mostly selling to industries
04:58<Viddy>perhaps i have the wrong company
04:58<Viddy>i had assoiated dupont with world war 2 gas chambers
04:59<Viddy>but, on searching, i cant find much
04:59<marc>that was all german companies
04:59<Viddy>strange that
04:59<Viddy> ;)
05:00<marc>not really. told you, we're not the bad guys in the industry
05:00<bigguy>dupont along with W.R. Herst(sp) helped get marijuanna made illegal in 191x something
05:00<bigguy>dupont had just invented a certain fiber
05:00<bigguy>and W.R. Herst owned alot of timber
05:00<marc>didn't know about the marihuana. sorry ;)
05:02<bigguy>or something
05:02<marc>nylon is not new at all, is it?
05:02<bigguy>it's been ages since I did my research paper so I forget
05:03<bigguy>marc: early 1900's
05:03<marc>just before wwII
05:03<bigguy>because of it and WRH weed was made illegal in the us
05:04<bigguy>"It's hurting our boys"
05:04<bigguy>even though very few kids even touched it
05:04<bigguy>most of them then prefered corn husks
05:04<bigguy>or corn silks rather
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05:06<Viddy>yeah ;)
05:06<Viddy>sorry bout that
05:06<marc>no, it's ok
05:06<marc>funny how often one has to justify chemical industry
05:06<marc>actually wanted to enquire about the database
05:07<marc>not quite clear how the channel table works
05:07<marc>and need to fill it manually
05:08<Viddy>to be honest, i havent touched it for a while
05:09<marc>in europe, multiple channels from different countries... all a bit hairy
05:10<marc>yeah... especially when one misses the point at the beginning
05:10<marc>running multiple grabbers, actually getting xmltv files
05:10<marc>but not sure at all what should end up where in the db
05:10<Viddy>sounds like a non trivial problem. though, there are some guys around who are based in europe
05:11<marc>hoped so
05:11<Viddy>if not here, ask in mythtv-users
05:11<Viddy>mailing list
05:11<marc>mailing list doesn't let me post :-(
05:11<Viddy>or the archives
05:11<marc>couldn't find in archives :-(
05:11<marc>seen some discussions on channels vs presets
05:12<marc>but no straight forward explication what goes where in the table
05:12<Viddy>i didnt see the "in"
05:13<Viddy>ive seen a detailed description before, but i think it was in the dev list
05:15<marc>any hint on search term?
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05:20<marc>been dropping off.
05:20<marc>behind firewall, life isn't easy
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05:24<FryGuy>thor_: you've got quite a sense of humour..
05:24<FryGuy>"Neither shalt thou counteth to 2, excepting that thou proceedeth from 1"
05:25<Viddy>that might help
05:25<Viddy>im still reading through
05:27<Viddy>theres actually two pages before that one as well
05:28<marc>i though chanid was an autoincrement id?
05:28<FryGuy>does anyone here have directv + cable and can share their experiences with it?
05:29<FryGuy>i'm just wondering how it will work with conflict resolution when programs repeating 3 hours later (because I'm on west coast and the feed is east, but cable delays 3 hours while directv doesn't)
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05:33<marc>looks like i could bent chanid...
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09:02<rkulagow__>axel thimm wants to make RPMs of CVS.
09:04<Conaz>Why not wait until 0.9?
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09:05<Conaz>I'm not sure RPMs of the MythTV stuff is really all that helpfull. I've only ever had problems with the other required software, rather than any of the MythTV stuff itself.
09:06<Conaz>And you still need to get to that stage before making the MythTV packages
09:06<Conaz>Of course the only package that really ever gave me grief is/was lirc
09:07<Conaz>stupid redhat kernel and it's damn compiled in serial support :)
09:08* Conazrant off
09:10<rkulagow__>well, isaac is pretty adamant about not packaging CVS.
09:11<Conaz>sounds fine to me
09:12<Conaz>after all, what really are stable releases for if not to give the people who want to use pre-built packages a decent chance of getting things to work.
09:14<Conaz>I finally figured out why I couldn't post to the list. I had registered with an alias e-mail address, and wasn't sending with that same address... /bonk
09:15<Conaz>hmm, pvr250 at office max for $99?
09:15<Conaz>after rebate even, I may have to go out for lunch
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11:32<JustinP>The strangest thing happens when I run mythtvfrontend, after a second or two of watching tv my ethernet card shuts down and my /var/log/messages gets:NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out
11:32<JustinP>any ideas?
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11:34<Cloak>anyone run the frontend on a xbox?
11:35just1nuxJustinP Jun 06 11:35:21 <mdz> JustinP: either an IRQ conflict, or a network connectivity problem
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11:35<JustinP>mdz: well I do get this "audio buffer overflow" in the window I run the frotn end in ... do you think that might be it?
11:37just1nuxjustin JustinP Jun 06 11:37:03 justin JustinP Jun 06 11:37:09 <mdz> JustinP: that's probably fallout from the network problem
11:44<JustinP>mdz: I don't know if it is a network problem, all my other computers on the network work. and it only fails when I run myth tv
11:46<Conaz>Cloak: I have an xbox on teh way, be here today, but mod-chips not arriving till next week.
11:47<Conaz>JustinP: What network card, perhaps it is simply a bad driver for the card
11:48<JustinP>eth0: RealTek RTL8139 Fast Ethernet at 0xd00b0000, 00:d0:09:f8:fc:a5, IRQ 11
11:48<JustinP>eth0: Identified 8139 chip type 'RTL-8139C'
11:48<JustinP>it uses the 8139too driver
11:49<JustinP>Conaz, I heard they got linux running on the xbox without a mod chip
11:49<Conaz>JustinP: hmm, I haven't used or heard anything about that particular chip
11:50<Conaz>JustinP: Really? No mod-chip, that seem strange
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11:50<JustinP>Conaz: yes, they used a save game for James bond to boot linux
11:50<JustinP>it was in my last linux magazine
11:50<JustinP>or one of them anyway
11:51<Conaz>hmm, I'll have to do a search and see what comes up
11:51<Conaz>Of course I have the modchips on the way anyway
11:52<Conaz>But at least I could start to play, as I'm sure the chips won't arrive until late next week
12:00<JustinP>this sucks, I can't use mythtv because my ethernet crashes everytime and then I have to reoboot
12:00<JustinP>I can try moving the card to another slot, but I don't think that will work
12:01<Drikus>short Q .. where are the freq tables stored. ?
12:02<Drikus>like pal-europe-west / ntsc cable etc.
12:02<thor_>in settings in the db
12:02<Drikus>hmm ok.
12:03<Conaz>JustinP: network driver issues can be a real pain
12:03<JustinP>yeah :(
12:03<Conaz>I found the old Intel EEPro100B cards work pretty well
12:03<thor_>JustinP, does dmesg show a lot of reports from drivers saying "sharing IRQ" ?
12:04<Conaz>JustinP: thanks for the game save link, guess i'll go purchase JB:007 game today
12:04<JustinP>thor_: I'll look
12:04<JustinP>Conaz: np, thanks for your help
12:04<JustinP>Conaz: I am not sure if the hack is public yet
12:05<Conaz>Well, there is a long thread on xboxhackers with people saying that they've gotten it to work
12:05<JustinP>PCI: Found IRQ 11 for device 00:01.3
12:05<JustinP>PCI: Sharing IRQ 11 with 00:01.2
12:05<JustinP>PCI: Sharing IRQ 11 with 00:0d.0
12:06<JustinP>PCI: Found IRQ 11 for device 00:01.2
12:06<JustinP>PCI: Sharing IRQ 11 with 00:01.3
12:06<JustinP>PCI: Sharing IRQ 11 with 00:0d.0
12:06<Conaz>It is not clear exactly what you can do, but it will be fun to try
12:06just1nuxjustin JustinP Jun 06 12:06:29 justin JustinP Jun 06 12:06:29 <thor_> yeah, that's not great
12:06<mdz>JustinP: there you go
12:06<JustinP>8139too Fast Ethernet driver 0.9.25
12:06<JustinP>PCI: Found IRQ 11 for device 00:0d.0
12:06<JustinP>PCI: Sharing IRQ 11 with 00:01.2
12:06<JustinP>PCI: Sharing IRQ 11 with 00:01.3
12:06<mdz>you have to fix that in the BIOS
12:06<mdz>ok, that's enough pasting
12:06<JustinP>mdz: ahh...
12:06<JustinP>I just wanted to paste that last one because it was the ethernet
12:07<JustinP>What should I change in the bios?
12:07<mdz>they were all the same
12:07<Chutt>ok, how the hell is that guy getting mythmusic to start esd?
12:07<mdz>if it has a plug-and-play PCI option, switch it to whatever setting it doesn't have right now
12:07<JustinP>mdz: different devices..
12:07<thor_>Chutt, what guy?
12:07<mdz>JustinP: look at them, they have the same information
12:07<Chutt>'Tako Schotanus'
12:07<mdz>anyway, change the "plug and play aware OS" setting
12:07<JustinP>okay thanks
12:07<mdz>or if you have a good bios, it might let you assign the IRQs manually, which is best
12:08<mdz>if it supports ACPI, switch that to the other setting
12:08<rcaskey__>make: *** No rule to make target `/mkspecs/default/qmake.conf', needed by `Makefile'. Stop.
12:08<mdz>rcaskey__: export QTDIR=/usr/share/qt3
12:08<mdz>and the rest of the FAQ and HOWTO ;-P
12:08<rcaskey__>problem solved
12:10<Drikus>thor: once again. heh. I was refering to the table channel num vs frequencies. Channel ("59", 741250) freq. Where is that table stored. ?
12:11<Chutt>the channel table?
12:11<JustinP>mdz: i read some site that i should add "noapic" as a kernel option, do you think that would help?
12:11<Chutt>channel number vs frequency is in frequencies.c
12:11<Chutt>in the source
12:11<Drikus>Chutt: thank you .
12:11<mdz>JustinP: depends on whether your bios even supports apic, and whether the kernel is enabling it
12:12<mdz>Chutt: mind if I change that sync to an fsync?
12:12<Chutt>ah, not for now
12:12* rcaskey__hrmms
12:12<rcaskey__>{standard input}:564: Error: symbol `_ZZN12QMutexLocker8XMLParse8SetWMultEdEN16MythThemedDialog4exitE' is already defined
12:12<Chutt>wondering if those people that are having their machine hang are having kernel problems when the in-kernel buffers fill up
12:12<JustinP>mdz: Do I just add the words "noapic" to the line kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.18-14 ro root=LABEL=/ in my grub.conf?
12:12<thor_>rcaskey, compiling mythmusic?
12:13<rcaskey__>nope, just mythtv
12:13<mdz>I'd really rather it didn't sync() my entire cache on NFS root :-)
12:13<Chutt>mdz, it's done that for, well, ever
12:13<mdz>I had removed it from my local tree at one point
12:13<thor_>rcaskey, cvs from last 8 hours?
12:13<rcaskey__>not last 8
12:13<mdz>and meant to make it an fsync, thinking the idea was to make sure the header was written
12:13<rcaskey__>last 16 though
12:14<mdz>before any A/V frames
12:14<rcaskey__>might as well updaet
12:14<thor_>rcaskey, I'd suggest distclean, update
12:14<Chutt>mdz, naw, it's to flush everything to disk periodically
12:14<JustinP>i'll brb messing with my bios
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12:15<mdz>yeah, I see now that it's after the sync frame; I thought it was after the initial header
12:15<thor_>Chutt, video preview is working ... mplayer has a relatively useful -slave flag to let you pipe it commands ... fairly trivial really
12:15<Chutt>thor, right, but people wanted to use mythvideo with stuff other than mplayer.
12:15<rcaskey__>thor_: eek, where does mplayer fit into this?
12:15<mdz>flushing everything to disk isn't quite optimal
12:15<Chutt>mdz, right, it's not
12:16<Chutt>but that's the only thing that's changed recently in the recorder
12:16<Chutt>so i reverted that
12:16<mdz>well, it is for those guys whose machines are hanging due to ivtv :-)
12:16<mdz>so they don't get as much fs corruption
12:16<thor_>rcaskey, preview of arbitrary video in MythVideo, not MythTV
12:16<rcaskey__>how about using gstreamer instead ;)
12:16<thor_>Chutt, oh .. yeah ... well ... user option?
12:17<Chutt>i'm not fucking using gstreamer
12:17<Chutt>can't you get that through your head?
12:17<rcaskey__>yeesh man, chill
12:18<Chutt>it should work as before, ie, allowing you to bind any application you want to any file extension.
12:18<rcaskey__>things are still already defined, so is cvs bork or do I have something messed up
12:18<Chutt>you have something messed up.
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12:28<Chutt>mdz, thanks for applying that mythweb patch, btw
12:28<JustinP>Woo! It worked
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12:28<JustinP>One last problem, it RUNS sooooooooo SLOWLY!
12:28<JustinP>the audio is in sync, but the video is horrible
12:28<Chutt>turn down the compression options to something your machine can handle, then
12:28<Conaz>mdz: yes, thanks, I finally got to submit something :)
12:30<JustinP>Conaz: Where is the option for compression? I couldn't find it in the setup
12:30<Chutt>in the frontend.
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12:32<Conaz>JustinP: which part runs slowly?
12:32<Conaz>You might check to see that xv is enabled
12:32<Conaz>Could be an out of date video driver
12:32<JustinP>Conaz: Watching tv
12:32<Conaz>If you are running nvidia card, you'll want their latest driver
12:32<Chutt>yeah, but it's much more likely that he's got a crappy computer that can't handle the load
12:32<JustinP>the video is slow
12:32<Conaz>Well, that is true too
12:32<JustinP>Chutt: tvtime runs fine,
12:33<Conaz>I know on my 1gig machine with the nv driver things were bad
12:33<Chutt>tvtime isn't recording.
12:33<Conaz>but after installing the nvidia driver things were smooth saling
12:33<Conaz>sailing even
12:33<Chutt>conaz, that's true
12:33<Conaz>It is always great fun once you get things working :)
12:34<JustinP>can I turn off the recording thing to see if that is the problem>
12:34<thor_>(thor hides under desk)
12:34<JustinP>My video card is a SiS 630
12:34<Chutt>thor, what'd you do? =)
12:34<Conaz>It always has to record in order to provide pause/rewind capability
12:34* Conazlaughs
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12:34<Conaz>That was at thor_ :)
12:35<Conaz>Not sure, but if you start mythbackend (without the &) and watch teh messages, see if there is an xv warning
12:35<JustinP>Conaz: But is there a way to disable it temporarly and remove the pause rewind feature for a second.
12:35<Chutt>justinp, that'd be extremely silly.
12:35<JustinP>i'll try that
12:35<Chutt>conaz, it'd be on the frontend
12:35<thor_>nothing, just worried we're going to get into still yet another, playing/recording/xawtv/myth/I don't see the light debate
12:35<thor_>as we seem to be doing
12:35<Conaz>Oh, right, start both without the &
12:35<Conaz>So you can see the messages in the xterm windows
12:37<Conaz>I guess everyone doesn't run xawtv just to make sure their hardware works eh?
12:37<thor_>Chutt, saw the e-mail ... esd ... it's definitely Friday
12:37<Chutt>there's absolutely no way that it's starting esd
12:37<JustinP>Can I paste what they say?
12:37<Chutt>justinp, no
12:37<thor_>does enlightement try to do clever things ?
12:37<Chutt>it should be pretty obvious if it's complaining about a lack of xv support
12:38<Conaz>It should say almost right away about the xv not being available
12:38<Conaz>I recall the messages about it were pretty lengthy
12:38<Chutt>thor, i don't see how it could, unless it was intercepting system calls
12:38<JustinP>It says first something about /dev/dspis not running full duplex
12:38<JustinP>then a strange error flushing buffer
12:39<JustinP>(that is on backend)
12:39<Conaz>I just ignore the buffer erros
12:39<JustinP>the front end says "Using XV port 66"
12:39<JustinP>anda heck of a lot "Delaying next trigger"
12:39<Chutt>anything about audio on the frontend?
12:40<JustinP>Chutt: nope, but the audio plays fine, it is the video that is out of synx
12:40<Chutt>no, i rather doubt that you have your audio set up properly at all
12:40<JustinP>could it be the /dev/dspis ?
12:40<Conaz>Is the video choppy, or just behind the audio track?
12:41<JustinP>video is very slow
12:41<Chutt>conaz, missing audio can cause that, too
12:41<JustinP>they move like they are snails
12:41<Chutt>justinp, go read the audio section of the howto.
12:41<Chutt>and then turn down the compression settings like i said before
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12:50<Conaz>Off to lunch, perhaps see if that pvr250 is still $99 at office max, and possibly pickup james bond game I guess :)
12:53<Snow-Man>pvr250, eh?
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12:55<Snow-Man>Chutt: hey, what's the story on stuff like surround sound and whatnot?
12:56<Snow-Man>Like, my DVD player can send full surround-sound stuff to my receiver.
12:56<Snow-Man>If I rip DVD's to disk I'm sure that information is also there.
12:56<Chutt>just like a normal tv
12:56<Snow-Man>Dolby digital prologic?
12:56<thor_>Snow-Man, depends how you rip it.
12:57<thor_>ie. which audio tracks
12:57<Snow-Man>thor_: copying vs. reencoding?
12:57<thor_>you seen transcode?
12:57<thor_>good software, Perl frontend called DVD::Rip
12:57<Snow-Man>Oh, I think I have that.
12:57<thor_>you can choose which tracks to archive
12:58<Snow-Man>So you can archive the track with prologic data or something?
12:58<Snow-Man>And can I get my SB live to send that data to my receiver?
12:58<thor_>bit fiddly to get it all working, but it's possible
12:59<thor_>still ... DVD player does a better job
12:59<Snow-Man>How so?
12:59<thor_>pick disc, insert disc
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12:59<thor_>24 bit audio, DTS,
12:59<thor_>just push play
13:00<Snow-Man>Well, I'd like to get it to the point where I can just use mythvideo or whatever and use the remote to select any movie I own and play it..
13:00<Snow-Man>No having to swap discs around or any of that. :)
13:00<thor_>Snow-Man, I agree ...
13:00<Snow-Man>Don't support you know anything about the Live's optical out stuff, eh?
13:01<thor_>again, fiddly to set up (non-optical/spdif connectors), but works
13:01<thor_>easiest way to check it is on something like Oogle pass through
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13:04<Snow-Man>hmm, ok.
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13:52<Conaz>office max pvr250 was $149-$30 rebate, figured I'd wait
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13:55<Conaz>Yup, your mic is live :)
13:55<_marc>ah :-)
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14:06<marc>smee again
14:07<marc>keep losing connection, so you good folks probably suggested many tips re my seg fault, and i didn't get them :-(
14:07<Conaz>Yup, looks like they solved all the problems while you were away ;)
14:07<marc>too bad ;-)
14:08<marc>sp, lemme drop off again, and you take notes - ok ? :)
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14:08<marc>and ?
14:08<Conaz>They must have been solving the problems in direct messages
14:09<marc>too bad :-)
14:09<Conaz>Looks like my xbox has arrived, think I'll go try and rent 007 and see how that process works
14:09<Conaz>everyone have a good weekend
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14:13<marc>nobody left?
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14:41<thor_>buenos dias
14:41<marc>not really, getting segmentation faults in mythfrontend
14:41<marc>don't think so.
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14:42<marc>following happens:
14:42<moegreen>thor_: did I read it correctly earlier - do you have something done for the mythvideo list?
14:42<marc>Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV Over/underscanning. V: 0.000000, H: 0.000000, XOff: 0, YOff: 0 Couldn't find Xv support, falling back to non-Xv mode. * MythTV performance will be much slower since color * conversion and scaling will be done in software. * Consider upgrading your video card or X server if * you would like better performance. Segmentation fault
14:42<thor_>mogreen, "done" in the sense that you can browse the list and launch mplayer. Not done in the sense that I'm trying to get embedded video preview working
14:43<thor_>marc, hmmmm, not good
14:43<thor_>what video carc, X version?
14:44<moegreen>thor_: I had thought about doing that at one point, but mplayer's cache delays the start on a slower lan. Though, if you can turn that off and turn on framedropping - you should be able to get it to work (in theory)
14:44<marc>BT878, X 4.3 I think (plain Redhat 9)
14:44<marc>graphics card driver VESA
14:44<marc>Don't mind about the quality, it's only a prototype.
14:45<marc>but I had it working , once,
14:45<marc>on the same kind of setup
14:45<moegreen>marc: what type of video card (not capture card)? You'll want Xv support
14:45<thor_>moegreen, I'm fiddling with -gui and -slave on mplayer .... I'll get there
14:45<marc>Hercules Kyro
14:45<moegreen>thor_: cool, are you reading the list of files from the database?
14:45<thor_>moegreen, yes
14:45<marc>Don't ask about Linux drivers for that beast
14:45<marc>And it worked without Xv
14:45<moegreen>thor_: ok, great :)
14:47<thor_>marc, VESA fb is unlikely to work well .... can't really help you though as I know nothing about video side of myth .... sorry
14:47<marc>thanks nevertheless
14:48<marc>It's just itching me that it did work with a previous install.. I'm missing something and can't get it...
14:50<thor_>moegreen, were you in a hurry for something (you waiting on me for a commit)?
14:50<moegreen>thor_: no, just was curious - I saw some irc logs from last night and wondered how far along it was
14:52<Chutt>petecool, just committed your translation
14:52<Chutt>everything in there looked good =)
14:58<thor_>ERROR opening file '/home/jeff/mythtv//ringbuf3.nuv'
14:58<thor_>well duh
14:59<Chutt>did my response go through yet?
14:59<thor_>not that I saw, but it takes a while
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15:02<PeteCool>Chutt: I don't even receive my message from the mailing list yet ;)
15:02<PeteCool>Chutt: great to know it was alright
15:03<Chutt>mailing list is getting a little slow
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15:09<Snow-Man>Have people got some messages with headers they could send me as examples?
15:09<Snow-Man>(Of the mailing list being slow)
15:09<Chutt>i've got a couple :p
15:09<Chutt>just hang on
15:09<Snow-Man>oh, ok.
15:09<Chutt>are you seeing any trouble with it delivering my email?
15:09<Snow-Man>You hadn't said you were going to send some. :)
15:09<Snow-Man>Lemme go check.
15:09<Chutt>looks like it's taking at least 7 minutes to go from relay ->
15:11<Snow-Man>Chutt: For 24 minutes the SE mail server was timing out this morning..
15:11<Snow-Man>Oh, that's right, you're, right?
15:11* Snow-Manwas checking
15:11<Snow-Man>I don't see anything for
15:12<PeteCool>Snow-Man: are there any delayed messages to ? I'm wondering if my ISP admins screwed their server again...
15:12<Snow-Man>ah, right.
15:12<Snow-Man>PeteCool: sec.
15:14* Snow-Mannotes 4-7 minutes ain't all *that* bad.
15:15<Chutt>well, i just got an email i sent at 2 pm
15:15<Chutt>so :p
15:15<Snow-Man>Chutt: Send me it with headers.
15:15<Snow-Man>PeteCool: Your ISP seems to definitely have some issues.
15:16<PeteCool>Snow-Man: k, thanks for checking
15:16<Snow-Man>PeteCool: I'm getting connection timeouts currently.
15:16<Snow-Man>It seems to come and go.
15:16<Chutt>looks like cwru didn't send that one to speakeast for an hour
15:17<Snow-Man>Alrighty then. :P
15:17<Snow-Man>I'll see what I can do to reduce the delay.
15:17<Snow-Man>PeteCool: Yeah man, sorry, your mail server looks dead.
15:35<Drikus>Stupid Q, how does one exit playing TV. ? esc or Key Escape CurrentWindow doesn't work.
15:39<Chutt>escape works
15:41<Drikus>yah. must be some else. It doesn't respond to anything. selecting menu's are fine. Will look into it a bit closer
15:41<Chutt>you're in the main menu?
15:41<thor_>setup, set escape key
15:41<Drikus>thor_: will do
15:41<thor_>which is not "playing TV", but we get the idea =)
15:47<rkulagow__>hrmm. just got off the phone with amax (wholesaler). even going wholesale, unless i buy a pallet of boxes (~10), the shipping is going to be a killer on parts. i almost don't see how newegg can make any money. pundit (wholesale) == $161, 3% surcharge for CC + shipping is $175, and they're selling the pundit for $179 + free shipping.
15:49<mdz>they get much better shipping rates
15:50<rkulagow__>that's what i figured. plus, they probably purchase a lot more systems than i do and lump it all together. it's still not a lot of profit.
15:51<rkulagow__>anyone remember that SNL commercial for "the first change bank of NY"? "how to we manage to stay in business? volume."
15:53<Chutt>so, wednesday: 180k pageviews, 752k total hits
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15:54<rkulagow__>180k? that's more than just a little bit. is that 180k "index.html"''s, or 180K total drill-downs through lower pages?
15:54<Chutt>looks like it topped off at 63k hits per hour
15:54<thor_>1% buyer = 1800 units in a day ... rkulagow ... what's the price if you order a pallet every hour =)
15:54<Chutt>pageviews are actual pages
15:54<Chutt>let's see..
15:54<rkulagow__>chutt: ah. is it still at that level?
15:55<Chutt>any level
15:55<rkulagow__>thor: do you want to be customer # 000002? =)
15:55<Chutt>looks like 38k hits to /
15:55<thor_>you take AMEX?
15:55<rkulagow__>"any level"? i mean, are you still getting massive hits, or settled down a bit since then...
15:55<Chutt>that was just monday
15:56<Chutt>yesterday was back down to normal levels -- 55k pageviews or so
15:56<rkulagow__>thor: don't know yet. i'll have to see if i can get a low enough marginal rate on it. costco has a deal where they'll do CC processing for you at someting like $2.50 + 2% or something like that.
15:57<Chutt>about 12k hits to /
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16:07<rcaskey>Chutt: It's gonna get nasty with .9 if you show up on /.
16:08<rcaskey>what kind of connection are you on?
16:08<Chutt>slashdot isn't all that bad
16:08<Chutt>it's hosted someplace
16:08<Chutt>most of the things slashdot takes down are on people's dsl/cable connections
16:10<thor_>or have so many layers of badly designed app servers and content systems that they fall over with three simultaneous hits
16:10<Chutt>'s all cached and stuff
16:10<Chutt>actual page generation doesn't happen all that often
16:13<mdz>Chutt: what's the volume of referrals from wired?
16:13<Chutt>i didn't add em up
16:13<Chutt>maybe 15k or so direct from wired
16:14<mdz>I don't remember what the level was before
16:14<mdz>ah, 55k you say
16:14<Chutt>that's pageviews
16:14<Chutt>with about 1/5 of em being the main page on a usual day
16:14<Chutt>which is cool, as that means quite a few people actually look around a little
16:15<Chutt>the -users list is almost to 1000 people
16:15<Chutt>-dev is just under 900
16:15<Chutt>and -commits is 330 or so
16:15<Chutt>up over 100 mailing list messages a day on the combined lists
16:16<thor_>and yet no-one complained they couldn't play a CD ... odd
16:16<Chutt>i dunno
16:16<Chutt>i usually just rip em =)
16:16<Chutt>and i hadn't done that in awhile
16:16<thor_>couldn't even rip with titles though
16:16<Chutt>i wonder when the freedb path changed
16:16<thor_>maybe we caught it early?
16:16<Chutt>that could've been recent, ya know
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16:31<rkulagow__>chutt: just saw the "don't know why i bother with error messages" email. shouldn't the exit(0) in RingBuffer.cpp just dump them back to the command line at that point?
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17:45<yebyen>i love auto commercial skipping
17:45<yebyen>it rocks
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20:03<PeteCool>Chutt: funny thing: I still haven't received my patch post =) Got other mail though
20:03<PeteCool>Chutt: what else is left to do before 0.9? Maybe something I could help for, or help test?
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20:05<PeteCool>oh wait, there it is
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20:41<MykilX>i'm looking to get tv-card recommendations, or a good review site
20:44<PeteCool>MykilX: as for those that will work with mythtv, they're all pretty much the same
20:44<PeteCool>MykilX: leadtek winfast tv 2000 xp works, ati tv wonder and tv wonder ve work.
20:44<MykilX>i see, so go for price vs features?
20:45<MykilX>i thought the aiw's didn't work?
20:45<PeteCool>MykilX: there are others, too... make sure the card has a 848 or 878-named chip (either conexant or brooktree chipset with that number in its name)
20:45<PeteCool>MykilX: the All-In-Wonder won't work, right, but the Tv Wonder is a very different card
20:46<MykilX>ohhh ok
20:46<MykilX>pretty new to the tv-card stuff lol
20:47<PeteCool>You can use a Hauppauge WinTV, but if you buy one, make sure you can return it, because the later boards have a different chip, that won't work
20:47<PeteCool>but if you get an older card (product model 4xx or 19x) it'll be fine
20:48<PeteCool>those that don't work are model 7x... but I think they won't write it in big letters on the box ;)
20:48<MykilX>i'd imagine different cards get different quality
20:49<PeteCool>MykilX: If there are no bugs on the card model (one older Pinaccle model wasn't properly grounded, giving bad picture quality), I don't think they should be too different
20:49<PeteCool>depends on the input signal quality mostly
20:50<MykilX>i'll be inputting form a sattellite
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20:51<MykilX>will mythtv be able to replace a reciever? ie can i use it as the reciever in my living room?
20:52<PeteCool>MykilX: it can, if you use another (networked) computer to compress the video, and then use another computer in your living room, that plays back what was recorded on the other computer
20:53<MykilX>so i would need 3 boxes ??
20:53<PeteCool>MykilX: you want to play tv in two places only?
20:54<MykilX>yes 2 or maybe 3
20:54<MykilX>living room, bedroom, and maybe office
20:54<MykilX>the hole joint will be networked
20:55<PeteCool>For two watching point: you need one fast computer that compresses, with a software encoder, and another that can be slower. You can watch tv on either computer.
20:55<MykilX>so the living room box would be able to tune the sattelite/record shows, and then i could server the video to the other 1 or 2 computers?
20:55<PeteCool>but... If you only have one satellite input, you can only record one show at a time, or watch tv only in one place
20:56<PeteCool>yes... but you'll be limited a bit if you only have one satellite decoder
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20:56<PeteCool>since, that's only one input, you can record two channels at the same time with that :)
20:57<MykilX>i understand about only being able to watch/record 1 show at a time, but why can i only watch on 1 tv?
20:57<MykilX>i'll still have my sattelite reciever
20:57<PeteCool>did I say that? Isn't true then
20:57<MykilX>lol, ok
20:58<PeteCool>all three tvs will be able to watch recording at the same time
20:58<MykilX>right, but i can only record what i'm watching, or if watching a previously recorded show
20:59<MykilX>ok, so i've seen some cards have onboard encoders, are they worth it?
21:00<PeteCool>MykilX: you can get by with a slower computer, you have to decide if they're worth the ~50$US more... depends on how much $$$ you have around I guess
21:01<MykilX>yeah, starting to price everything now, so wanted to get some info
21:02<MykilX>ok how about this, if i set up mythtv, can i switch to another tty and run the puter as a regular puter?
21:02<MykilX>with myth still running?
21:03<MykilX>I know mythtv can take up alot of the cpu if recording and such
21:03<PeteCool>MykilX: yes, but it might be weird... the console is all scrambled when my gf2mx is in Tv-out mode...
21:04<PeteCool>but some guys have their myth computer running both a monitor and a tv, separately, check the mailing list archives, it was in the last few days (at most 5 days)
21:04<MykilX>hmm, well i wanted to setup the computer as a mythtv box, and a puter for the GF/gf's kid
21:04<MykilX>ok i'll have a look
21:05<MykilX>they would only be surfing/email/wordprocessing
21:06<PeteCool>that would be either: a great frontend (doesn't matter if the load gets high) or a perfect place to stick a hardware encoder (doesn't matter than much how high the load goes)
21:06<MykilX>that would be cool, have mythtv running on the tv, with a monitor built into the entertainment center for computing
21:07<MykilX>a hardware encoder is a possibility
21:07<MykilX>that's why i asked about the cards with them built in too
21:09<MykilX>in the dev mailing list PeteCool ?
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21:19<PeteCool>MykilX: let me check
21:20<MykilX>i didn't see anything in the dev archive, looking throught the user archives now
21:22<PeteCool>MykilX: should be users
21:23<PeteCool>MykilX: it involved nvidia cards, you might want to search for that
21:23<MykilX>ok, lookin now, but the site is timing out on me :( just as i was trying to read some stuff about sattelites lol
21:23<PeteCool>are you looking there: ?
21:24<MykilX>looking at your link now
21:24<MykilX>i went through the link from
21:25<PeteCool>MykilX: I'm pretty sure it was earlier than june 2nd, I don't seem to find anything related to that in my trash mail folder, and it doesn't go earlier than that date
21:26<MykilX>ok cool
21:26<MykilX>looking for info about dishnetwork as well
21:27<MykilX>I have video in on my GF4 already, but won't i need a tuner to be able to have myth change the channel to record shows?
21:27<MykilX>that i schedule ?
21:27<MykilX>or is my thinking about thios the wrong way?
21:28<MykilX>think i just found a thread to answer my ?
21:29<PeteCool>you'll need either a serial cable to your receiver, if it supports it, or an IR blaster
21:29<PeteCool>this is covered in the docs I think
21:30<MykilX>ok i'll look there too
21:30<MykilX>thanx for all the help btw :)
21:31<MykilX>how long you been running myth btw?
21:33<PeteCool>no problem :) I've been using myth since ~january 30th
21:33<PeteCool>Works great all the time
21:34<MykilX>that's good to hear lol
21:34<MykilX>i've been wanting a tivo, but myth just sounds funner lol
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21:42<MykiX>damn connection
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23:59<Ripp> anyone watching June Bugs on Boomerang /join #junebugs :) gotta get the chan populated!