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| 00:19 | <just1nux> | can i revert to the cvs mythtv from an earlier date (say a week or so ago?) and if so, how? |
| 00:20 | <bigguy> | cvs co -D05/30/03 mythtv? |
| 00:20 | <bigguy> | maybe |
| 00:20 | <bigguy> | I forget |
| 00:21 | <bline> | "one week ago" works I think |
| 00:21 | <just1nux> | thanks, ill give it a try |
| 00:33 | <thor_> | something tells me Chutt is hovering between the delete and send buttons |
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| 01:01 | <Chutt> | hrm |
| 01:01 | <thor_> | ? |
| 01:01 | <Chutt> | i wonder if gdb works at all with threads in rh9 |
| 01:02 | <thor_> | can't help you there |
| 01:03 | <thor_> | weird it's always QValueVector related (or appears to be, to those who have no idea what they're talking about) |
| 01:10 | <just1nux> | can anyone tell me what i can do about this? i get this error over and over and im not sure how to fix what it is complaining about "Incorrect key file for table: 'recordedmarkup'. Try to repair it |
| 01:10 | <just1nux> | DB Error (position map insert): |
| 01:10 | <just1nux> | Query was: |
| 01:10 | <just1nux> | INSERT recordedmarkup (chanid, starttime, mark, type, offset) values ( '1003', '20030606000000', 61, 6, "16031904"); |
| 01:11 | <Chutt> | sounds like your mysql db is at least partially corrupt |
| 01:11 | <just1nux> | ugh |
| 01:11 | <Chutt> | i've not seen that error before, though |
| 01:12 | <just1nux> | must have gotten corrupted when the whole thing froze up today. |
| 01:13 | <Chutt> | pvr-250? |
| 01:13 | <just1nux> | yep |
| 01:13 | <Chutt> | aye :( |
| 01:13 | <Chutt> | driver's got a deadlock in it somewhere |
| 01:14 | <just1nux> | froze up just as 'the amazing race' started :( |
| 01:14 | <Chutt> | generally happens to me right as it starts recording |
| 01:14 | <bline> | so that is the deadlocks I've been seeing |
| 01:14 | <Chutt> | but hasn't happened in a week or so |
| 01:14 | <Chutt> | bline, most likely |
| 01:14 | <bline> | Hope it wasn't my patch |
| 01:14 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 01:14 | <just1nux> | i never had a problem with it until i updated to the cvs from last night, thus im trying to go back to a week ago which worked fine for me |
| 01:15 | <Chutt> | it's _really_ random |
| 01:15 | <Chutt> | there haven't been any changes in the past week that could cause anything like that |
| 01:16 | <Chutt> | since i've been busy with real work stuff, and haven't had a chance to break anything =) |
| 01:16 | <just1nux> | could have been more than a week, but not more than 2 weeks. |
| 01:17 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 01:17 | <Chutt> | nothing's changed on the recording-side of things at all |
| 01:17 | <Chutt> | some playback code changed, but unless you've turned it on, you're using the older code |
| 01:18 | <just1nux> | ok, well maybe i should have gotten a version from cvs 2 weeks ago then. |
| 01:19 | <Chutt> | if it requires a hard reset, it's a driver bug |
| 01:19 | <Chutt> | and nothin in mythtv can affect it |
| 01:20 | <just1nux> | but something had to trigger it? |
| 01:20 | <Chutt> | 'specially with the pvr-250, as all i'm doing is reading from the device |
| 01:21 | <just1nux> | are you sure its a pvr-250 problem? |
| 01:21 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 01:21 | <Chutt> | well, an ivtv problem |
| 01:21 | <bline> | Chutt: when you see the deadlocks does your harddrive light stay on? |
| 01:21 | <Chutt> | bline, i don't have it hooked up |
| 01:21 | <Chutt> | so, dunno =) |
| 01:22 | <just1nux> | not sure i didnt look at it (pc is in the close under the staircase...)just stuck my hand in and hit the power button. |
| 01:22 | <bline> | the code isn't that complicated, maybe I should try finding it |
| 01:22 | <Chutt> | the main ivtv guy's seen it as well |
| 01:22 | <Chutt> | and he doesn't use mythtv, so.. |
| 01:22 | <just1nux> | ahhh. |
| 01:23 | <Chutt> | he was trying to get a serial console to log (all) the data that the driver can put out, to trace it down better |
| 01:23 | <Chutt> | but it wasn't fast enough to keep up with the amount of messages |
| 01:23 | <just1nux> | does it happen with both firmwares? cuz my card didnt like the firmware posted on the mythtv site, but someone had posted one on the mailing list that works great. |
| 01:24 | <Chutt> | i'm just using the firmware from my -250 CD |
| 01:25 | <just1nux> | hmm, never thought to check the cd i got |
| 01:25 | <Chutt> | blah |
| 01:25 | <Chutt> | my laptop's going crazy again :( |
| 01:25 | <bline> | hmm, the time isn't synced with the display anymore |
| 01:25 | <Chutt> | hm? |
| 01:26 | <bline> | The display shows 44:09 of 44:09 but it's still playing |
| 01:26 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 01:26 | <Chutt> | much left? |
| 01:26 | <bline> | and I can't fast forward |
| 01:26 | <Chutt> | in progress? |
| 01:26 | <bline> | It's been playing like this for atleast a minute |
| 01:27 | <bline> | when I try to fast forward it shows that. |
| 01:27 | <Chutt> | is the recording in progress |
| 01:27 | <Chutt> | or did you start it while it was in progress |
| 01:27 | <bline> | Nope |
| 01:27 | <bline> | No, it was prerecorded |
| 01:27 | <Chutt> | hrm |
| 01:27 | <Chutt> | must not've had a complete seek table or something, then |
| 01:28 | <bline> | I did notice that when I fast forwarded it earlier the time seemed to go forward but the display didnt |
| 01:28 | <bline> | it was only happened when I tried to fast forward too fast though |
| 01:29 | <bline> | s/was// |
| 01:29 | <Chutt> | the time it displays is only a guess |
| 01:29 | <Chutt> | i've been meaning to fix that |
| 01:29 | <bline> | still playing heh |
| 01:29 | <Chutt> | well, when you fast forward -- it just adds the seek time to the current position |
| 01:29 | <Chutt> | regardless of if it's going to actually go there |
| 01:29 | <Chutt> | so if it's still fast forwarding, it can get off |
| 01:30 | <bline> | the show doesn't even look close to over |
| 01:30 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 01:30 | <Chutt> | sounds like the seek table got cut off for some reason |
| 01:30 | <bline> | ok |
| 01:30 | <Chutt> | if there's only a partial one, no seeking |
| 01:31 | <Chutt> | well, past the end of where it thinks the end is =) |
| 01:31 | <just1nux> | btw, i repaired my recordingmarkup table and im not getting that SQL error now. there were an incorrect number of rows. had to have been corrupted when it froze. |
| 01:31 | <bline> | I wonder how it got into this state |
| 01:32 | <Chutt> | bline, notice any errors in the backend log? |
| 01:32 | <Chutt> | or anything in the mysql error log? |
| 01:32 | * bline | checks |
| 01:32 | <Chutt> | umm |
| 01:32 | <Chutt> | captain_murdoch, err, why's there a static variable in mpegrecorder.cpp? |
| 01:33 | <Chutt> | god damnit |
| 01:35 | <Chutt> | you've only got one card, right? |
| 01:35 | <Chutt> | (to bline) |
| 01:35 | <thor_> | Chutt, what do you think about a preview window for TreeView of MythVideo |
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| 01:36 | <Chutt> | well, potentially |
| 01:36 | <Chutt> | but i imagine that'd be a pain to get working everywhere |
| 01:36 | <thor_> | I can use a UIType BlackHole to get the geometry types and probably force mplayer to fit there |
| 01:36 | <Chutt> | especially if people want to use other things to play back random files.. |
| 01:36 | <thor_> | I may actually have to download mplayer |
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| 01:37 | <thor_> | all those damn codecs |
| 01:37 | <thor_> | let's see |
| 01:37 | <Chutt> | how are you handling random file associations? |
| 01:37 | <thor_> | I dunno .... haven't got there yet |
| 01:37 | <thor_> | it's just tree data to me |
| 01:37 | <thor_> | so far |
| 01:37 | <Chutt> | easiest thing to do might be to just reuse the old mythvideo code |
| 01:38 | <thor_> | I've got all the tree browsing stuff working, so MythVideo->ListView looks a lot like MythMusic->Play, just a question of what to do when a user enters a leaf node |
| 01:40 | <just1nux> | Is mythvideo going to do any filtering of filenames? sometimes i have non-video file in the same tree as mythvideo is set to use and of course i dont really need to see all the txt file and other things. |
| 01:40 | <Chutt> | directories on the left, files on the right? |
| 01:40 | <Chutt> | =) |
| 01:40 | <thor_> | and it's only 160 lines of code |
| 01:40 | <thor_> | yes |
| 01:40 | <Chutt> | nice |
| 01:40 | <thor_> | but subs on the right if they exist |
| 01:40 | <thor_> | and so on down |
| 01:40 | <Chutt> | hmm |
| 01:41 | <Chutt> | ah, i see |
| 01:41 | <thor_> | uh oh |
| 01:42 | <thor_> | just1nux, yes ... at least if moegreen's code is working as it is intended to |
| 01:42 | <just1nux> | cool. |
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| 01:42 | <Chutt> | thor, i'm thinking monday night for the release, btw |
| 01:42 | <Chutt> | bline, you've only got one pvr-250, right? |
| 01:42 | <bline> | grr system crashed again |
| 01:42 | <bline> | yeah |
| 01:43 | <bline> | and a wintv go |
| 01:43 | <thor_> | I'm here, no travel for work, and my wife is away |
| 01:43 | <Chutt> | ok, they shouldn't effect each other |
| 01:43 | <bline> | but I loaned it to a friend |
| 01:43 | <thor_> | Monday sounds good |
| 01:43 | <Chutt> | captain_murdoch wrote some un-threadsafe code, but that'd only hurt things if it were the same card type |
| 01:43 | <Chutt> | thanks for having that seektable issue, i at least saw this |
| 01:44 | <bline> | I think I have either kernel problems or hardware problems |
| 01:44 | <Chutt> | current cvs has been great for me |
| 01:44 | <bline> | vimming the mysql log crashed me |
| 01:44 | <Chutt> | i haven't had that random ivtv hang in at least a week or two |
| 01:44 | <Chutt> | bad ram? |
| 01:44 | <bline> | yeah, or bad kernel |
| 01:44 | <bline> | I've seen this before for one of the kernel patches |
| 01:45 | <bline> | maybe I'll give 4.5 a try :) |
| 01:46 | <bline> | man do I get enough viruses in email |
| 01:47 | <bline> | I think it all started when I email address went on cpan |
| 01:47 | <bline> | s/I e/my e/ |
| 01:47 | <Chutt> | speakeasy's started server-based virus filtering, here |
| 01:47 | <Chutt> | now most of mine just get discarded |
| 01:47 | <bline> | I setup spam filtering for us, it actually catches lots of the viruses |
| 01:48 | <bline> | I would hack it up to catch them all if I wasn't so lazy |
| 01:48 | <Chutt> | they're also doing spam filtering |
| 01:48 | <Chutt> | and that's not so good =) |
| 01:48 | <Chutt> | first day it was like 25% f+s |
| 01:48 | <Chutt> | but it's quite a bit better now |
| 01:48 | <Chutt> | silly people |
| 01:49 | <bline> | spamassassin is nice |
| 01:49 | <Chutt> | i didn't like the huge amount of cpu spamassassin wanted |
| 01:49 | <bline> | yeah, it is a hog |
| 01:49 | * bline | blames perl |
| 01:49 | <Chutt> | to the point of making my recordings drop frames |
| 01:50 | <bline> | should do it on the server end |
| 01:50 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 01:50 | <bline> | btw, did you get all the messages I sent you? |
| 01:50 | <Chutt> | i have all my email forwarded to speakeasy, then i just pop it from there |
| 01:50 | <Chutt> | two of em? |
| 01:50 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 01:50 | <bline> | ok |
| 01:50 | <Chutt> | i haven't looked into that yet |
| 01:51 | <bline> | it's all setup if you still want it. |
| 01:51 | <Chutt> | need to figure out how the easily mirror a cvs repository first |
| 01:51 | <Chutt> | 'how to' |
| 01:51 | <bline> | rsync on a cronjob :) |
| 01:51 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 01:52 | <Chutt> | then i need to decide how best to handle the name |
| 01:52 | <Chutt> | i'll probably make it 'anoncvs.mythtv.org' |
| 01:52 | <bline> | I had to disable the cvs server for tonight, but it will be back on tomarrow |
| 01:52 | <Chutt> | mainly so i don't have to change my cvsroot =) |
| 01:52 | <Chutt> | ah, crap |
| 01:52 | <Chutt> | i need to be asleep |
| 01:52 | <bline> | We seem to have an old volnerable version of CVS on that server. |
| 01:53 | <bline> | Night. |
| 01:53 | <Chutt> | gotta finish up what i was doing for work, first, unfortunatly |
| 01:54 | <Chutt> | or however you spell that |
| 01:54 | <bline> | so anoncvs.mythtv.org is going on that server? |
| 01:54 | <Chutt> | maybe |
| 01:54 | <Chutt> | probably |
| 01:55 | <bline> | you have ssh access when you feel like setting things up. If I need to change anything let me know. |
| 01:55 | <Chutt> | ok |
| 01:55 | <Chutt> | probably next week |
| 01:55 | <Chutt> | early-ish |
| 01:55 | <Chutt> | if that's ok with you |
| 01:55 | * bline | doesn't do early real well :) |
| 01:55 | <Chutt> | early in the week |
| 01:55 | <Chutt> | day wise |
| 01:55 | <bline> | oh heh |
| 01:55 | <Chutt> | :p |
| 01:56 | <Chutt> | nocturnal schedule? |
| 01:56 | <bline> | somewhat, my schedule seems to have a life of it's own |
| 01:59 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 01:59 | <Chutt> | great, done for the night finally |
| 01:59 | <Chutt> | now, g'nite =) |
| 01:59 | <bline> | night |
| 01:59 | <thor_> | g'night John Boy |
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| 04:37 | <marc> | morning |
| 04:38 | <marc> | anybody? |
| 04:44 | <marc> | <cough> |
| 04:47 | <Viddy> | thats what you get when you work at dupont |
| 04:47 | <marc> | :-) |
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| 04:47 | <Viddy> | chemist? |
| 04:48 | <marc> | nope. it |
| 04:48 | * Viddy | kicks himself.... of course.... |
| 04:48 | <marc> | far away from things that smell bad when they crash |
| 04:49 | <Viddy> | after much thought, im not sure that i could work at a company like dupont |
| 04:49 | <Viddy> | (as a chemist) |
| 04:49 | <marc> | why not? |
| 04:51 | <Viddy> | certain ethical considerations. however, one might argue what has happened in the past is the past, and one needs to move on |
| 04:52 | <marc> | wouldn't be aware that dupont is the bad guy in the industry. |
| 04:52 | <marc> | it's not like dow or monsanto... |
| 04:55 | <Viddy> | the other argument is that its a chemical company, they make mistakes like everyone else, and they cant be held accountable for what people do with thier products, right? |
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| 04:56 | <marc> | it's not 'people' doing stuff with our products. hardly anthing we sell to 'people', we're mostly selling to industries |
| 04:58 | <Viddy> | perhaps i have the wrong company |
| 04:58 | <Viddy> | i had assoiated dupont with world war 2 gas chambers |
| 04:59 | <marc> | nope. |
| 04:59 | <Viddy> | but, on searching, i cant find much |
| 04:59 | <marc> | that was all german companies |
| 04:59 | <marc> | ;-) |
| 04:59 | <Viddy> | strange that |
| 04:59 | <Viddy> | ;) |
| 05:00 | <marc> | not really. told you, we're not the bad guys in the industry |
| 05:00 | <bigguy> | dupont along with W.R. Herst(sp) helped get marijuanna made illegal in 191x something |
| 05:00 | <bigguy> | dupont had just invented a certain fiber |
| 05:00 | <bigguy> | and W.R. Herst owned alot of timber |
| 05:00 | <marc> | didn't know about the marihuana. sorry ;) |
| 05:01 | <Viddy> | rayon |
| 05:02 | <bigguy> | nylon |
| 05:02 | <bigguy> | or something |
| 05:02 | <marc> | nylon is not new at all, is it? |
| 05:02 | <bigguy> | it's been ages since I did my research paper so I forget |
| 05:03 | <bigguy> | marc: early 1900's |
| 05:03 | <marc> | just before wwII |
| 05:03 | <bigguy> | because of it and WRH weed was made illegal in the us |
| 05:04 | <bigguy> | "It's hurting our boys" |
| 05:04 | <bigguy> | even though very few kids even touched it |
| 05:04 | <bigguy> | most of them then prefered corn husks |
| 05:04 | <bigguy> | or corn silks rather |
| 05:05 | <bigguy> | bbiaf |
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| 05:06 | <marc> | anyway. |
| 05:06 | <Viddy> | yeah ;) |
| 05:06 | <Viddy> | sorry bout that |
| 05:06 | <marc> | no, it's ok |
| 05:06 | <marc> | funny how often one has to justify chemical industry |
| 05:06 | <marc> | actually wanted to enquire about the database |
| 05:07 | <marc> | not quite clear how the channel table works |
| 05:07 | <marc> | and need to fill it manually |
| 05:08 | <Viddy> | erm.... |
| 05:08 | <Viddy> | to be honest, i havent touched it for a while |
| 05:09 | <marc> | in europe, multiple channels from different countries... all a bit hairy |
| 05:09 | <Viddy> | eww |
| 05:10 | <marc> | yeah... especially when one misses the point at the beginning |
| 05:10 | <marc> | running multiple grabbers, actually getting xmltv files |
| 05:10 | <marc> | but not sure at all what should end up where in the db |
| 05:10 | <Viddy> | sounds like a non trivial problem. though, there are some guys around who are based in europe |
| 05:11 | <marc> | hoped so |
| 05:11 | <Viddy> | if not here, ask in mythtv-users |
| 05:11 | <Viddy> | mailing list |
| 05:11 | <marc> | mailing list doesn't let me post :-( |
| 05:11 | <Viddy> | or the archives |
| 05:11 | <Viddy> | odd |
| 05:11 | <marc> | couldn't find in archives :-( |
| 05:11 | <marc> | seen some discussions on channels vs presets |
| 05:12 | <marc> | but no straight forward explication what goes where in the table |
| 05:12 | <Viddy> | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/archive/MythTV_C2/Users_F11/ |
| 05:12 | <Viddy> | bugger |
| 05:12 | <Viddy> | i didnt see the "in" |
| 05:13 | <Viddy> | ive seen a detailed description before, but i think it was in the dev list |
| 05:15 | <marc> | any hint on search term? |
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| 05:18 | <marc> | grmbl |
| 05:19 | <Viddy> | ? |
| 05:20 | <marc> | been dropping off. |
| 05:20 | <marc> | behind firewall, life isn't easy |
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| 05:24 | <FryGuy> | thor_: you've got quite a sense of humour.. |
| 05:24 | <FryGuy> | "Neither shalt thou counteth to 2, excepting that thou proceedeth from 1" |
| 05:24 | <marc> | :-) |
| 05:24 | <Viddy> | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/perl/mailarc/gforum.cgi?post=58084;search_string=europe%20database;guest=579364&t=search_engine#58084 |
| 05:25 | <Viddy> | that might help |
| 05:25 | <Viddy> | im still reading through |
| 05:25 | <Viddy> | it |
| 05:27 | <Viddy> | theres actually two pages before that one as well |
| 05:28 | <marc> | i though chanid was an autoincrement id? |
| 05:28 | <FryGuy> | does anyone here have directv + cable and can share their experiences with it? |
| 05:29 | <FryGuy> | i'm just wondering how it will work with conflict resolution when programs repeating 3 hours later (because I'm on west coast and the feed is east, but cable delays 3 hours while directv doesn't) |
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| 05:33 | <marc> | looks like i could bent chanid... |
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| 09:02 | <rkulagow__> | axel thimm wants to make RPMs of CVS. |
| 09:04 | <Conaz> | Why not wait until 0.9? |
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| 09:05 | <Conaz> | I'm not sure RPMs of the MythTV stuff is really all that helpfull. I've only ever had problems with the other required software, rather than any of the MythTV stuff itself. |
| 09:06 | <Conaz> | And you still need to get to that stage before making the MythTV packages |
| 09:06 | <Conaz> | Of course the only package that really ever gave me grief is/was lirc |
| 09:07 | <Conaz> | stupid redhat kernel and it's damn compiled in serial support :) |
| 09:08 | * Conaz | rant off |
| 09:10 | <rkulagow__> | well, isaac is pretty adamant about not packaging CVS. |
| 09:11 | <Conaz> | sounds fine to me |
| 09:12 | <Conaz> | after all, what really are stable releases for if not to give the people who want to use pre-built packages a decent chance of getting things to work. |
| 09:14 | <Conaz> | I finally figured out why I couldn't post to the list. I had registered with an alias e-mail address, and wasn't sending with that same address... /bonk |
| 09:15 | <Conaz> | hmm, pvr250 at office max for $99? |
| 09:15 | <Conaz> | after rebate even, I may have to go out for lunch |
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| 11:32 | <JustinP> | The strangest thing happens when I run mythtvfrontend, after a second or two of watching tv my ethernet card shuts down and my /var/log/messages gets:NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out |
| 11:32 | <JustinP> | any ideas? |
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| 11:34 | <Cloak> | anyone run the frontend on a xbox? |
| 11:35 | just1nux | JustinP Jun 06 11:35:21 <mdz> JustinP: either an IRQ conflict, or a network connectivity problem |
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| 11:35 | <JustinP> | mdz: well I do get this "audio buffer overflow" in the window I run the frotn end in ... do you think that might be it? |
| 11:37 | just1nux | justin JustinP Jun 06 11:37:03 justin JustinP Jun 06 11:37:09 <mdz> JustinP: that's probably fallout from the network problem |
| 11:44 | <JustinP> | mdz: I don't know if it is a network problem, all my other computers on the network work. and it only fails when I run myth tv |
| 11:46 | <Conaz> | Cloak: I have an xbox on teh way, be here today, but mod-chips not arriving till next week. |
| 11:47 | <Conaz> | JustinP: What network card, perhaps it is simply a bad driver for the card |
| 11:48 | <JustinP> | eth0: RealTek RTL8139 Fast Ethernet at 0xd00b0000, 00:d0:09:f8:fc:a5, IRQ 11 |
| 11:48 | <JustinP> | eth0: Identified 8139 chip type 'RTL-8139C' |
| 11:48 | <JustinP> | it uses the 8139too driver |
| 11:49 | <JustinP> | Conaz, I heard they got linux running on the xbox without a mod chip |
| 11:49 | <Conaz> | JustinP: hmm, I haven't used or heard anything about that particular chip |
| 11:50 | <Conaz> | JustinP: Really? No mod-chip, that seem strange |
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| 11:50 | <JustinP> | Conaz: yes, they used a save game for James bond to boot linux |
| 11:50 | <JustinP> | it was in my last linux magazine |
| 11:50 | <JustinP> | or one of them anyway |
| 11:51 | <Conaz> | hmm, I'll have to do a search and see what comes up |
| 11:51 | <Conaz> | Of course I have the modchips on the way anyway |
| 11:52 | <Conaz> | But at least I could start to play, as I'm sure the chips won't arrive until late next week |
| 11:52 | <JustinP> | http://news.com.com/2100-1043-994794.html |
| 12:00 | <JustinP> | this sucks, I can't use mythtv because my ethernet crashes everytime and then I have to reoboot |
| 12:00 | <JustinP> | I can try moving the card to another slot, but I don't think that will work |
| 12:01 | <Drikus> | short Q .. where are the freq tables stored. ? |
| 12:02 | <Drikus> | like pal-europe-west / ntsc cable etc. |
| 12:02 | <thor_> | in settings in the db |
| 12:02 | <Drikus> | hmm ok. |
| 12:02 | <Drikus> | tahnks |
| 12:02 | <thor_> | asye |
| 12:02 | <thor_> | aye |
| 12:03 | <Conaz> | JustinP: network driver issues can be a real pain |
| 12:03 | <JustinP> | yeah :( |
| 12:03 | <Conaz> | I found the old Intel EEPro100B cards work pretty well |
| 12:03 | <thor_> | JustinP, does dmesg show a lot of reports from drivers saying "sharing IRQ" ? |
| 12:04 | <Conaz> | JustinP: thanks for the game save link, guess i'll go purchase JB:007 game today |
| 12:04 | <JustinP> | thor_: I'll look |
| 12:04 | <JustinP> | Conaz: np, thanks for your help |
| 12:04 | <JustinP> | Conaz: I am not sure if the hack is public yet |
| 12:05 | <Conaz> | Well, there is a long thread on xboxhackers with people saying that they've gotten it to work |
| 12:05 | <JustinP> | PCI: Found IRQ 11 for device 00:01.3 |
| 12:05 | <JustinP> | PCI: Sharing IRQ 11 with 00:01.2 |
| 12:05 | <JustinP> | PCI: Sharing IRQ 11 with 00:0d.0 |
| 12:06 | <JustinP> | PCI: Found IRQ 11 for device 00:01.2 |
| 12:06 | <JustinP> | PCI: Sharing IRQ 11 with 00:01.3 |
| 12:06 | <JustinP> | PCI: Sharing IRQ 11 with 00:0d.0 |
| 12:06 | <Conaz> | It is not clear exactly what you can do, but it will be fun to try |
| 12:06 | just1nux | justin JustinP Jun 06 12:06:29 justin JustinP Jun 06 12:06:29 <thor_> yeah, that's not great |
| 12:06 | <mdz> | JustinP: there you go |
| 12:06 | <JustinP> | 8139too Fast Ethernet driver 0.9.25 |
| 12:06 | <JustinP> | PCI: Found IRQ 11 for device 00:0d.0 |
| 12:06 | <JustinP> | PCI: Sharing IRQ 11 with 00:01.2 |
| 12:06 | <JustinP> | PCI: Sharing IRQ 11 with 00:01.3 |
| 12:06 | <mdz> | you have to fix that in the BIOS |
| 12:06 | <mdz> | ok, that's enough pasting |
| 12:06 | <JustinP> | mdz: ahh... |
| 12:06 | <JustinP> | sorry |
| 12:06 | <JustinP> | I just wanted to paste that last one because it was the ethernet |
| 12:07 | <JustinP> | What should I change in the bios? |
| 12:07 | <mdz> | they were all the same |
| 12:07 | <Chutt> | ok, how the hell is that guy getting mythmusic to start esd? |
| 12:07 | <mdz> | if it has a plug-and-play PCI option, switch it to whatever setting it doesn't have right now |
| 12:07 | <JustinP> | mdz: different devices.. |
| 12:07 | <thor_> | Chutt, what guy? |
| 12:07 | <mdz> | JustinP: look at them, they have the same information |
| 12:07 | <Chutt> | 'Tako Schotanus' |
| 12:07 | <mdz> | anyway, change the "plug and play aware OS" setting |
| 12:07 | <JustinP> | okay thanks |
| 12:07 | <mdz> | or if you have a good bios, it might let you assign the IRQs manually, which is best |
| 12:08 | <mdz> | if it supports ACPI, switch that to the other setting |
| 12:08 | <rcaskey__> | make: *** No rule to make target `/mkspecs/default/qmake.conf', needed by `Makefile'. Stop. |
| 12:08 | <mdz> | rcaskey__: export QTDIR=/usr/share/qt3 |
| 12:08 | <rcaskey__> | ahh |
| 12:08 | <mdz> | and the rest of the FAQ and HOWTO ;-P |
| 12:08 | <rcaskey__> | problem solved |
| 12:10 | <Drikus> | thor: once again. heh. I was refering to the table channel num vs frequencies. Channel ("59", 741250) freq. Where is that table stored. ? |
| 12:11 | <Chutt> | the channel table? |
| 12:11 | <JustinP> | mdz: i read some site that i should add "noapic" as a kernel option, do you think that would help? |
| 12:11 | <Chutt> | channel number vs frequency is in frequencies.c |
| 12:11 | <Chutt> | in the source |
| 12:11 | <Drikus> | Chutt: thank you . |
| 12:11 | <mdz> | JustinP: depends on whether your bios even supports apic, and whether the kernel is enabling it |
| 12:12 | <mdz> | Chutt: mind if I change that sync to an fsync? |
| 12:12 | <Chutt> | ah, not for now |
| 12:12 | * rcaskey__ | hrmms |
| 12:12 | <rcaskey__> | {standard input}:564: Error: symbol `_ZZN12QMutexLocker8XMLParse8SetWMultEdEN16MythThemedDialog4exitE' is already defined |
| 12:12 | <Chutt> | wondering if those people that are having their machine hang are having kernel problems when the in-kernel buffers fill up |
| 12:12 | <JustinP> | mdz: Do I just add the words "noapic" to the line kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.18-14 ro root=LABEL=/ in my grub.conf? |
| 12:12 | <thor_> | rcaskey, compiling mythmusic? |
| 12:13 | <rcaskey__> | nope, just mythtv |
| 12:13 | <mdz> | I'd really rather it didn't sync() my entire cache on NFS root :-) |
| 12:13 | <Chutt> | mdz, it's done that for, well, ever |
| 12:13 | <mdz> | I had removed it from my local tree at one point |
| 12:13 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 12:13 | <thor_> | rcaskey, cvs from last 8 hours? |
| 12:13 | <rcaskey__> | not last 8 |
| 12:13 | <mdz> | and meant to make it an fsync, thinking the idea was to make sure the header was written |
| 12:13 | <rcaskey__> | last 16 though |
| 12:14 | <mdz> | before any A/V frames |
| 12:14 | <rcaskey__> | might as well updaet |
| 12:14 | <thor_> | rcaskey, I'd suggest distclean, update |
| 12:14 | <rcaskey__> | ok |
| 12:14 | <Chutt> | mdz, naw, it's to flush everything to disk periodically |
| 12:14 | <JustinP> | i'll brb messing with my bios |
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| 12:15 | <mdz> | yeah, I see now that it's after the sync frame; I thought it was after the initial header |
| 12:15 | <thor_> | Chutt, video preview is working ... mplayer has a relatively useful -slave flag to let you pipe it commands ... fairly trivial really |
| 12:15 | <Chutt> | thor, right, but people wanted to use mythvideo with stuff other than mplayer. |
| 12:15 | <rcaskey__> | thor_: eek, where does mplayer fit into this? |
| 12:15 | <mdz> | flushing everything to disk isn't quite optimal |
| 12:15 | <Chutt> | mdz, right, it's not |
| 12:16 | <Chutt> | but that's the only thing that's changed recently in the recorder |
| 12:16 | <Chutt> | so i reverted that |
| 12:16 | <mdz> | well, it is for those guys whose machines are hanging due to ivtv :-) |
| 12:16 | <mdz> | so they don't get as much fs corruption |
| 12:16 | <thor_> | rcaskey, preview of arbitrary video in MythVideo, not MythTV |
| 12:16 | <rcaskey__> | oh |
| 12:16 | <rcaskey__> | how about using gstreamer instead ;) |
| 12:16 | <thor_> | Chutt, oh .. yeah ... well ... user option? |
| 12:17 | <Chutt> | i'm not fucking using gstreamer |
| 12:17 | <Chutt> | can't you get that through your head? |
| 12:17 | <rcaskey__> | yeesh man, chill |
| 12:18 | <Chutt> | it should work as before, ie, allowing you to bind any application you want to any file extension. |
| 12:18 | <thor_> | yup |
| 12:18 | <thor_> | ok |
| 12:18 | <rcaskey__> | things are still already defined, so is cvs bork or do I have something messed up |
| 12:18 | <Chutt> | you have something messed up. |
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| 12:28 | <Chutt> | mdz, thanks for applying that mythweb patch, btw |
| 12:28 | <JustinP> | Woo! It worked |
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| 12:28 | <JustinP> | One last problem, it RUNS sooooooooo SLOWLY! |
| 12:28 | <JustinP> | the audio is in sync, but the video is horrible |
| 12:28 | <Chutt> | turn down the compression options to something your machine can handle, then |
| 12:28 | <Conaz> | mdz: yes, thanks, I finally got to submit something :) |
| 12:30 | <JustinP> | Conaz: Where is the option for compression? I couldn't find it in the setup |
| 12:30 | <Chutt> | in the frontend. |
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| 12:32 | <Conaz> | JustinP: which part runs slowly? |
| 12:32 | <Conaz> | You might check to see that xv is enabled |
| 12:32 | <Conaz> | Could be an out of date video driver |
| 12:32 | <JustinP> | Conaz: Watching tv |
| 12:32 | <Conaz> | If you are running nvidia card, you'll want their latest driver |
| 12:32 | <Chutt> | yeah, but it's much more likely that he's got a crappy computer that can't handle the load |
| 12:32 | <JustinP> | the video is slow |
| 12:32 | <Conaz> | Well, that is true too |
| 12:32 | <JustinP> | Chutt: tvtime runs fine, |
| 12:33 | <Conaz> | I know on my 1gig machine with the nv driver things were bad |
| 12:33 | <Chutt> | tvtime isn't recording. |
| 12:33 | <Conaz> | but after installing the nvidia driver things were smooth saling |
| 12:33 | <Conaz> | sailing even |
| 12:33 | <Chutt> | conaz, that's true |
| 12:33 | <Conaz> | It is always great fun once you get things working :) |
| 12:34 | <JustinP> | can I turn off the recording thing to see if that is the problem> |
| 12:34 | <Chutt> | no. |
| 12:34 | <thor_> | (thor hides under desk) |
| 12:34 | <JustinP> | My video card is a SiS 630 |
| 12:34 | <Chutt> | thor, what'd you do? =) |
| 12:34 | <Conaz> | It always has to record in order to provide pause/rewind capability |
| 12:34 | * Conaz | laughs |
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| 12:34 | <Conaz> | That was at thor_ :) |
| 12:35 | <Conaz> | Not sure, but if you start mythbackend (without the &) and watch teh messages, see if there is an xv warning |
| 12:35 | <JustinP> | Conaz: But is there a way to disable it temporarly and remove the pause rewind feature for a second. |
| 12:35 | <Conaz> | nope |
| 12:35 | <Chutt> | justinp, that'd be extremely silly. |
| 12:35 | <JustinP> | i'll try that |
| 12:35 | <Chutt> | conaz, it'd be on the frontend |
| 12:35 | <thor_> | nothing, just worried we're going to get into still yet another, playing/recording/xawtv/myth/I don't see the light debate |
| 12:35 | <thor_> | as we seem to be doing |
| 12:35 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 12:35 | <Conaz> | Oh, right, start both without the & |
| 12:35 | <Conaz> | So you can see the messages in the xterm windows |
| 12:37 | <Conaz> | I guess everyone doesn't run xawtv just to make sure their hardware works eh? |
| 12:37 | <thor_> | Chutt, saw the e-mail ... esd ... it's definitely Friday |
| 12:37 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 12:37 | <thor_> | (weird) |
| 12:37 | <Chutt> | there's absolutely no way that it's starting esd |
| 12:37 | <JustinP> | Can I paste what they say? |
| 12:37 | <Chutt> | justinp, no |
| 12:37 | <thor_> | does enlightement try to do clever things ? |
| 12:37 | <Chutt> | it should be pretty obvious if it's complaining about a lack of xv support |
| 12:38 | <Conaz> | It should say almost right away about the xv not being available |
| 12:38 | <Conaz> | I recall the messages about it were pretty lengthy |
| 12:38 | <Chutt> | thor, i don't see how it could, unless it was intercepting system calls |
| 12:38 | <JustinP> | It says first something about /dev/dspis not running full duplex |
| 12:38 | <JustinP> | then a strange error flushing buffer |
| 12:39 | <JustinP> | (that is on backend) |
| 12:39 | <Conaz> | I just ignore the buffer erros |
| 12:39 | <JustinP> | the front end says "Using XV port 66" |
| 12:39 | <JustinP> | anda heck of a lot "Delaying next trigger" |
| 12:39 | <Chutt> | anything about audio on the frontend? |
| 12:40 | <JustinP> | Chutt: nope, but the audio plays fine, it is the video that is out of synx |
| 12:40 | <JustinP> | sync |
| 12:40 | <Chutt> | err |
| 12:40 | <Conaz> | Ahh |
| 12:40 | <Chutt> | no, i rather doubt that you have your audio set up properly at all |
| 12:40 | <JustinP> | could it be the /dev/dspis ? |
| 12:40 | <Conaz> | Is the video choppy, or just behind the audio track? |
| 12:41 | <JustinP> | video is very slow |
| 12:41 | <Chutt> | conaz, missing audio can cause that, too |
| 12:41 | <Conaz> | Ahh |
| 12:41 | <JustinP> | they move like they are snails |
| 12:41 | <Chutt> | justinp, go read the audio section of the howto. |
| 12:41 | <Chutt> | and then turn down the compression settings like i said before |
| 12:41 | <JustinP> | ok |
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| 12:50 | <Conaz> | Off to lunch, perhaps see if that pvr250 is still $99 at office max, and possibly pickup james bond game I guess :) |
| 12:53 | <Snow-Man> | pvr250, eh? |
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| 12:55 | <Snow-Man> | Chutt: hey, what's the story on stuff like surround sound and whatnot? |
| 12:56 | <Snow-Man> | Like, my DVD player can send full surround-sound stuff to my receiver. |
| 12:56 | <Chutt> | prologic. |
| 12:56 | <Snow-Man> | If I rip DVD's to disk I'm sure that information is also there. |
| 12:56 | <Chutt> | just like a normal tv |
| 12:56 | <Snow-Man> | Dolby digital prologic? |
| 12:56 | <thor_> | Snow-Man, depends how you rip it. |
| 12:57 | <thor_> | ie. which audio tracks |
| 12:57 | <Snow-Man> | thor_: copying vs. reencoding? |
| 12:57 | <thor_> | you seen transcode? |
| 12:57 | <Snow-Man> | No.. |
| 12:57 | <thor_> | good software, Perl frontend called DVD::Rip |
| 12:57 | <Snow-Man> | Oh, I think I have that. |
| 12:57 | <thor_> | you can choose which tracks to archive |
| 12:58 | <Snow-Man> | So you can archive the track with prologic data or something? |
| 12:58 | <thor_> | yup |
| 12:58 | <Snow-Man> | And can I get my SB live to send that data to my receiver? |
| 12:58 | <thor_> | bit fiddly to get it all working, but it's possible |
| 12:59 | <thor_> | still ... DVD player does a better job |
| 12:59 | <thor_> | =) |
| 12:59 | <Snow-Man> | How so? |
| 12:59 | <thor_> | pick disc, insert disc |
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| 12:59 | <thor_> | 24 bit audio, DTS, |
| 12:59 | <thor_> | just push play |
| 12:59 | <thor_> | =) |
| 13:00 | <Snow-Man> | Well, I'd like to get it to the point where I can just use mythvideo or whatever and use the remote to select any movie I own and play it.. |
| 13:00 | <Snow-Man> | No having to swap discs around or any of that. :) |
| 13:00 | <thor_> | Snow-Man, I agree ... |
| 13:00 | <Snow-Man> | Don't support you know anything about the Live's optical out stuff, eh? |
| 13:01 | <thor_> | again, fiddly to set up (non-optical/spdif connectors), but works |
| 13:01 | <thor_> | easiest way to check it is on something like Oogle pass through |
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| 13:04 | <Snow-Man> | hmm, ok. |
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| 13:52 | <Conaz> | office max pvr250 was $149-$30 rebate, figured I'd wait |
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| 13:54 | <s> | <cough> |
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| 13:55 | <_marc> | hello? |
| 13:55 | <Conaz> | Yup, your mic is live :) |
| 13:55 | <_marc> | ah :-) |
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| 14:06 | <marc> | smee again |
| 14:07 | <marc> | keep losing connection, so you good folks probably suggested many tips re my seg fault, and i didn't get them :-( |
| 14:07 | <Conaz> | Yup, looks like they solved all the problems while you were away ;) |
| 14:07 | <marc> | too bad ;-) |
| 14:08 | <marc> | sp, lemme drop off again, and you take notes - ok ? :) |
| 14:08 | <Conaz> | yup |
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| 14:08 | <marc> | and ? |
| 14:08 | <Conaz> | They must have been solving the problems in direct messages |
| 14:09 | <marc> | too bad :-) |
| 14:09 | <Conaz> | Looks like my xbox has arrived, think I'll go try and rent 007 and see how that process works |
| 14:09 | <Conaz> | everyone have a good weekend |
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| 14:13 | <marc> | nobody left? |
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| 14:15 | <marc> | ? |
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| 14:40 | <marc> | Hello? |
| 14:41 | <thor_> | buenos dias |
| 14:41 | <marc> | :-) |
| 14:41 | <marc> | not really, getting segmentation faults in mythfrontend |
| 14:41 | <thor_> | coolk |
| 14:41 | <thor_> | cool |
| 14:41 | <marc> | don't think so. |
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| 14:42 | <marc> | following happens: |
| 14:42 | <moegreen> | thor_: did I read it correctly earlier - do you have something done for the mythvideo list? |
| 14:42 | <marc> | Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV Over/underscanning. V: 0.000000, H: 0.000000, XOff: 0, YOff: 0 Couldn't find Xv support, falling back to non-Xv mode. * MythTV performance will be much slower since color * conversion and scaling will be done in software. * Consider upgrading your video card or X server if * you would like better performance. Segmentation fault |
| 14:42 | <thor_> | mogreen, "done" in the sense that you can browse the list and launch mplayer. Not done in the sense that I'm trying to get embedded video preview working |
| 14:43 | <thor_> | marc, hmmmm, not good |
| 14:43 | <thor_> | what video carc, X version? |
| 14:43 | <thor_> | card |
| 14:44 | <moegreen> | thor_: I had thought about doing that at one point, but mplayer's cache delays the start on a slower lan. Though, if you can turn that off and turn on framedropping - you should be able to get it to work (in theory) |
| 14:44 | <marc> | BT878, X 4.3 I think (plain Redhat 9) |
| 14:44 | <marc> | graphics card driver VESA |
| 14:44 | <marc> | Don't mind about the quality, it's only a prototype. |
| 14:45 | <marc> | but I had it working , once, |
| 14:45 | <marc> | on the same kind of setup |
| 14:45 | <moegreen> | marc: what type of video card (not capture card)? You'll want Xv support |
| 14:45 | <thor_> | moegreen, I'm fiddling with -gui and -slave on mplayer .... I'll get there |
| 14:45 | <marc> | Hercules Kyro |
| 14:45 | <moegreen> | thor_: cool, are you reading the list of files from the database? |
| 14:45 | <thor_> | moegreen, yes |
| 14:45 | <marc> | Don't ask about Linux drivers for that beast |
| 14:45 | <marc> | And it worked without Xv |
| 14:45 | <moegreen> | thor_: ok, great :) |
| 14:47 | <thor_> | marc, VESA fb is unlikely to work well .... can't really help you though as I know nothing about video side of myth .... sorry |
| 14:47 | <marc> | thanks nevertheless |
| 14:48 | <marc> | It's just itching me that it did work with a previous install.. I'm missing something and can't get it... |
| 14:50 | <thor_> | moegreen, were you in a hurry for something (you waiting on me for a commit)? |
| 14:50 | <moegreen> | thor_: no, just was curious - I saw some irc logs from last night and wondered how far along it was |
| 14:52 | <Chutt> | petecool, just committed your translation |
| 14:52 | <Chutt> | everything in there looked good =) |
| 14:58 | <thor_> | ERROR opening file '/home/jeff/mythtv//ringbuf3.nuv' |
| 14:58 | <thor_> | well duh |
| 14:58 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 14:59 | <Chutt> | did my response go through yet? |
| 14:59 | <thor_> | not that I saw, but it takes a while |
| 14:59 | <Chutt> | ah |
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| 15:02 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: I don't even receive my message from the mailing list yet ;) |
| 15:02 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 15:02 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: great to know it was alright |
| 15:03 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 15:03 | <Chutt> | mailing list is getting a little slow |
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| 15:09 | <Snow-Man> | Have people got some messages with headers they could send me as examples? |
| 15:09 | <Snow-Man> | (Of the mailing list being slow) |
| 15:09 | <Chutt> | i've got a couple :p |
| 15:09 | <Chutt> | just hang on |
| 15:09 | <Chutt> | well |
| 15:09 | <Snow-Man> | oh, ok. |
| 15:09 | <Chutt> | are you seeing any trouble with it delivering my email? |
| 15:09 | <Snow-Man> | You hadn't said you were going to send some. :) |
| 15:09 | <Snow-Man> | Lemme go check. |
| 15:09 | <Chutt> | looks like it's taking at least 7 minutes to go from relay -> cwru.edu |
| 15:11 | <Snow-Man> | Chutt: For 24 minutes the SE mail server was timing out this morning.. |
| 15:11 | <Snow-Man> | Oh, that's right, you're ijr@cwru.edu, right? |
| 15:11 | * Snow-Man | was checking ijr@speakeasy.net |
| 15:11 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 15:11 | <Snow-Man> | I don't see anything for ijr@cwru.edu... |
| 15:12 | <Chutt> | po.cwru.edu |
| 15:12 | <PeteCool> | Snow-Man: are there any delayed messages to petecool@vl.videotron.ca ? I'm wondering if my ISP admins screwed their server again... |
| 15:12 | <Snow-Man> | ah, right. |
| 15:12 | <Snow-Man> | PeteCool: sec. |
| 15:14 | * Snow-Man | notes 4-7 minutes ain't all *that* bad. |
| 15:15 | <Chutt> | well, i just got an email i sent at 2 pm |
| 15:15 | <Chutt> | so :p |
| 15:15 | <Snow-Man> | Chutt: Send me it with headers. |
| 15:15 | <Snow-Man> | PeteCool: Your ISP seems to definitely have some issues. |
| 15:16 | <PeteCool> | Snow-Man: k, thanks for checking |
| 15:16 | <Snow-Man> | PeteCool: I'm getting connection timeouts currently. |
| 15:16 | <Snow-Man> | It seems to come and go. |
| 15:16 | <Chutt> | looks like cwru didn't send that one to speakeast for an hour |
| 15:16 | <Chutt> | speakeasy |
| 15:17 | <Snow-Man> | Alrighty then. :P |
| 15:17 | <Snow-Man> | I'll see what I can do to reduce the delay. |
| 15:17 | <Snow-Man> | PeteCool: Yeah man, sorry, your mail server looks dead. |
| 15:35 | <Drikus> | Stupid Q, how does one exit playing TV. ? esc or Key Escape CurrentWindow doesn't work. |
| 15:39 | <Chutt> | escape works |
| 15:41 | <Drikus> | yah. must be some else. It doesn't respond to anything. selecting menu's are fine. Will look into it a bit closer |
| 15:41 | <Chutt> | oh |
| 15:41 | <Chutt> | you're in the main menu? |
| 15:41 | <thor_> | setup, set escape key |
| 15:41 | <Drikus> | thor_: will do |
| 15:41 | <thor_> | which is not "playing TV", but we get the idea =) |
| 15:47 | <rkulagow__> | hrmm. just got off the phone with amax (wholesaler). even going wholesale, unless i buy a pallet of boxes (~10), the shipping is going to be a killer on parts. i almost don't see how newegg can make any money. pundit (wholesale) == $161, 3% surcharge for CC + shipping is $175, and they're selling the pundit for $179 + free shipping. |
| 15:49 | <mdz> | they get much better shipping rates |
| 15:50 | <rkulagow__> | that's what i figured. plus, they probably purchase a lot more systems than i do and lump it all together. it's still not a lot of profit. |
| 15:51 | <rkulagow__> | anyone remember that SNL commercial for "the first change bank of NY"? "how to we manage to stay in business? volume." |
| 15:53 | <Chutt> | so, wednesday: 180k pageviews, 752k total hits |
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| 15:54 | <rkulagow__> | 180k? that's more than just a little bit. is that 180k "index.html"''s, or 180K total drill-downs through lower pages? |
| 15:54 | <Chutt> | looks like it topped off at 63k hits per hour |
| 15:54 | <thor_> | 1% buyer = 1800 units in a day ... rkulagow ... what's the price if you order a pallet every hour =) |
| 15:54 | <Chutt> | pageviews are actual pages |
| 15:54 | <Chutt> | let's see.. |
| 15:54 | <rkulagow__> | chutt: ah. is it still at that level? |
| 15:55 | <Chutt> | any level |
| 15:55 | <rkulagow__> | thor: do you want to be customer # 000002? =) |
| 15:55 | <Chutt> | looks like 38k hits to / |
| 15:55 | <thor_> | you take AMEX? |
| 15:55 | <rkulagow__> | "any level"? i mean, are you still getting massive hits, or settled down a bit since then... |
| 15:55 | <Chutt> | oh |
| 15:55 | <Chutt> | no |
| 15:55 | <Chutt> | that was just monday |
| 15:55 | <Chutt> | err |
| 15:55 | <Chutt> | wednesday |
| 15:56 | <Chutt> | yesterday was back down to normal levels -- 55k pageviews or so |
| 15:56 | <rkulagow__> | thor: don't know yet. i'll have to see if i can get a low enough marginal rate on it. costco has a deal where they'll do CC processing for you at someting like $2.50 + 2% or something like that. |
| 15:57 | <Chutt> | about 12k hits to / |
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| 16:07 | <rcaskey> | Chutt: It's gonna get nasty with .9 if you show up on /. |
| 16:07 | <Chutt> | eh |
| 16:08 | <rcaskey> | what kind of connection are you on? |
| 16:08 | <Chutt> | slashdot isn't all that bad |
| 16:08 | <Chutt> | it's hosted someplace |
| 16:08 | <Chutt> | most of the things slashdot takes down are on people's dsl/cable connections |
| 16:08 | <rcaskey> | oh |
| 16:10 | <thor_> | or have so many layers of badly designed app servers and content systems that they fall over with three simultaneous hits |
| 16:10 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 16:10 | <Chutt> | mythtv.org's all cached and stuff |
| 16:10 | <Chutt> | actual page generation doesn't happen all that often |
| 16:13 | <mdz> | Chutt: what's the volume of referrals from wired? |
| 16:13 | <Chutt> | i didn't add em up |
| 16:13 | <Chutt> | maybe 15k or so direct from wired |
| 16:14 | <mdz> | I don't remember what the level was before |
| 16:14 | <mdz> | ah, 55k you say |
| 16:14 | <Chutt> | that's pageviews |
| 16:14 | <Chutt> | with about 1/5 of em being the main page on a usual day |
| 16:14 | <Chutt> | which is cool, as that means quite a few people actually look around a little |
| 16:15 | <Chutt> | the -users list is almost to 1000 people |
| 16:15 | <Chutt> | -dev is just under 900 |
| 16:15 | <Chutt> | and -commits is 330 or so |
| 16:15 | <Chutt> | up over 100 mailing list messages a day on the combined lists |
| 16:16 | <Chutt> | overload.. |
| 16:16 | <thor_> | and yet no-one complained they couldn't play a CD ... odd |
| 16:16 | <Chutt> | i dunno |
| 16:16 | <Chutt> | i usually just rip em =) |
| 16:16 | <Chutt> | and i hadn't done that in awhile |
| 16:16 | <thor_> | couldn't even rip with titles though |
| 16:16 | <Chutt> | i wonder when the freedb path changed |
| 16:16 | <thor_> | maybe we caught it early? |
| 16:16 | <Chutt> | that could've been recent, ya know |
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| 16:31 | <rkulagow__> | chutt: just saw the "don't know why i bother with error messages" email. shouldn't the exit(0) in RingBuffer.cpp just dump them back to the command line at that point? |
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| 17:45 | <yebyen> | i love auto commercial skipping |
| 17:45 | <yebyen> | it rocks |
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| 20:03 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: funny thing: I still haven't received my patch post =) Got other mail though |
| 20:03 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: what else is left to do before 0.9? Maybe something I could help for, or help test? |
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| 20:05 | <PeteCool> | oh wait, there it is |
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| 20:40 | <MykilX> | hello |
| 20:40 | <PeteCool> | hi |
| 20:41 | <MykilX> | i'm looking to get tv-card recommendations, or a good review site |
| 20:44 | <PeteCool> | MykilX: as for those that will work with mythtv, they're all pretty much the same |
| 20:44 | <PeteCool> | MykilX: leadtek winfast tv 2000 xp works, ati tv wonder and tv wonder ve work. |
| 20:44 | <MykilX> | i see, so go for price vs features? |
| 20:45 | <MykilX> | i thought the aiw's didn't work? |
| 20:45 | <PeteCool> | MykilX: there are others, too... make sure the card has a 848 or 878-named chip (either conexant or brooktree chipset with that number in its name) |
| 20:45 | <PeteCool> | MykilX: the All-In-Wonder won't work, right, but the Tv Wonder is a very different card |
| 20:46 | <MykilX> | ohhh ok |
| 20:46 | <MykilX> | pretty new to the tv-card stuff lol |
| 20:47 | <PeteCool> | You can use a Hauppauge WinTV, but if you buy one, make sure you can return it, because the later boards have a different chip, that won't work |
| 20:47 | <MykilX> | ok |
| 20:47 | <PeteCool> | but if you get an older card (product model 4xx or 19x) it'll be fine |
| 20:48 | <PeteCool> | those that don't work are model 7x... but I think they won't write it in big letters on the box ;) |
| 20:48 | <MykilX> | i'd imagine different cards get different quality |
| 20:49 | <PeteCool> | MykilX: If there are no bugs on the card model (one older Pinaccle model wasn't properly grounded, giving bad picture quality), I don't think they should be too different |
| 20:49 | <PeteCool> | depends on the input signal quality mostly |
| 20:50 | <MykilX> | i'll be inputting form a sattellite |
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| 20:51 | <MykilX> | will mythtv be able to replace a reciever? ie can i use it as the reciever in my living room? |
| 20:52 | <PeteCool> | MykilX: it can, if you use another (networked) computer to compress the video, and then use another computer in your living room, that plays back what was recorded on the other computer |
| 20:53 | <MykilX> | so i would need 3 boxes ?? |
| 20:53 | <PeteCool> | MykilX: you want to play tv in two places only? |
| 20:54 | <MykilX> | yes 2 or maybe 3 |
| 20:54 | <MykilX> | living room, bedroom, and maybe office |
| 20:54 | <MykilX> | the hole joint will be networked |
| 20:55 | <PeteCool> | For two watching point: you need one fast computer that compresses, with a software encoder, and another that can be slower. You can watch tv on either computer. |
| 20:55 | <MykilX> | so the living room box would be able to tune the sattelite/record shows, and then i could server the video to the other 1 or 2 computers? |
| 20:55 | <PeteCool> | but... If you only have one satellite input, you can only record one show at a time, or watch tv only in one place |
| 20:56 | <PeteCool> | yes... but you'll be limited a bit if you only have one satellite decoder |
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| 20:56 | <PeteCool> | since, that's only one input, you can record two channels at the same time with that :) |
| 20:57 | <MykilX> | i understand about only being able to watch/record 1 show at a time, but why can i only watch on 1 tv? |
| 20:57 | <MykilX> | i'll still have my sattelite reciever |
| 20:57 | <PeteCool> | did I say that? Isn't true then |
| 20:57 | <MykilX> | lol, ok |
| 20:58 | <PeteCool> | all three tvs will be able to watch recording at the same time |
| 20:58 | <MykilX> | right, but i can only record what i'm watching, or if watching a previously recorded show |
| 20:59 | <MykilX> | ok, so i've seen some cards have onboard encoders, are they worth it? |
| 21:00 | <PeteCool> | MykilX: you can get by with a slower computer, you have to decide if they're worth the ~50$US more... depends on how much $$$ you have around I guess |
| 21:01 | <MykilX> | yeah, starting to price everything now, so wanted to get some info |
| 21:02 | <MykilX> | ok how about this, if i set up mythtv, can i switch to another tty and run the puter as a regular puter? |
| 21:02 | <MykilX> | with myth still running? |
| 21:03 | <MykilX> | I know mythtv can take up alot of the cpu if recording and such |
| 21:03 | <PeteCool> | MykilX: yes, but it might be weird... the console is all scrambled when my gf2mx is in Tv-out mode... |
| 21:04 | <PeteCool> | but some guys have their myth computer running both a monitor and a tv, separately, check the mailing list archives, it was in the last few days (at most 5 days) |
| 21:04 | <MykilX> | hmm, well i wanted to setup the computer as a mythtv box, and a puter for the GF/gf's kid |
| 21:04 | <MykilX> | ok i'll have a look |
| 21:05 | <MykilX> | they would only be surfing/email/wordprocessing |
| 21:06 | <PeteCool> | that would be either: a great frontend (doesn't matter if the load gets high) or a perfect place to stick a hardware encoder (doesn't matter than much how high the load goes) |
| 21:06 | <MykilX> | that would be cool, have mythtv running on the tv, with a monitor built into the entertainment center for computing |
| 21:07 | <MykilX> | a hardware encoder is a possibility |
| 21:07 | <MykilX> | that's why i asked about the cards with them built in too |
| 21:09 | <MykilX> | in the dev mailing list PeteCool ? |
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| 21:19 | <PeteCool> | MykilX: let me check |
| 21:20 | <MykilX> | i didn't see anything in the dev archive, looking throught the user archives now |
| 21:22 | <PeteCool> | MykilX: should be users |
| 21:23 | <PeteCool> | MykilX: it involved nvidia cards, you might want to search for that |
| 21:23 | <MykilX> | ok, lookin now, but the site is timing out on me :( just as i was trying to read some stuff about sattelites lol |
| 21:23 | <PeteCool> | are you looking there: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/archive/MythTV_C2/Users_F11/ ? |
| 21:23 | <MykilX> | http://lists.snowman.net/pipermail/mythtv-users/2003-June/subject.html |
| 21:24 | <MykilX> | looking at your link now |
| 21:24 | <MykilX> | i went through the link from mythtv.org |
| 21:25 | <PeteCool> | MykilX: I'm pretty sure it was earlier than june 2nd, I don't seem to find anything related to that in my trash mail folder, and it doesn't go earlier than that date |
| 21:26 | <MykilX> | ok cool |
| 21:26 | <MykilX> | looking for info about dishnetwork as well |
| 21:27 | <MykilX> | I have video in on my GF4 already, but won't i need a tuner to be able to have myth change the channel to record shows? |
| 21:27 | <MykilX> | that i schedule ? |
| 21:27 | <MykilX> | or is my thinking about thios the wrong way? |
| 21:28 | <MykilX> | think i just found a thread to answer my ? |
| 21:29 | <PeteCool> | you'll need either a serial cable to your receiver, if it supports it, or an IR blaster |
| 21:29 | <PeteCool> | this is covered in the docs I think |
| 21:30 | <MykilX> | ok i'll look there too |
| 21:30 | <MykilX> | thanx for all the help btw :) |
| 21:31 | <MykilX> | how long you been running myth btw? |
| 21:33 | <PeteCool> | no problem :) I've been using myth since ~january 30th |
| 21:33 | <PeteCool> | Works great all the time |
| 21:34 | <MykilX> | that's good to hear lol |
| 21:34 | <MykilX> | i've been wanting a tivo, but myth just sounds funner lol |
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| 21:42 | <MykiX> | damn connection |
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| 22:21 | <thor_> | moegreen, you around? |
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| 23:59 | <Ripp> | anyone watching June Bugs on Boomerang /join #junebugs :) gotta get the chan populated! |