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00:00<bline>Good, boy would it suck to forget that :)
00:00<Snow-Man>Hmmm. P200 w/ a WD 5G disk and 64M of memory. Not too bad.
00:03<PeteCool_>Snow-Man: what are you gonna do with that? Dumb X terminal?
00:04<Snow-Man>relay server 'cause this shitty mailing list I host has a bunch of dumb subscribers. :_)
00:05<Snow-Man>err, :-)
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00:08<PeteCool_>nice, funhouse isn't ALL broken =)
00:08* Snow-Manwonders if PeteCool_ missed it.
00:09<Snow-Man>I was referring to the mythtv mailing lists which I host. :)
00:09<Snow-Man>Nevermind, I guess it wasn't all that funny, I just found it amusing. :)
00:09<PeteCool_>heh, I use those a lot... the link between you and is easy to find out ;)
00:10<Snow-Man>I should probably set it up so it's searchable, really.
00:11<Snow-Man>It'll be nice having more disk space on the relay server. Those mail logs add up pretty quick.
00:12<PeteCool_>Snow-Man: I hope I didn't get those filled too much with my lame isp's smtp server
00:12<PeteCool_>shouldn't be a problem soon, anyway... they're losing business everywhere and should die soon, making everybody happy ;)
00:12<Snow-Man>I've been keeping a better eye on them lately.
00:13<Snow-Man>atm there's 61M free on /var. Only 100M being taken up by mail logs currently.
00:16<Snow-Man>(All compressed, it's about 700M uncompressed)
00:16<Snow-Man>That's for the past 23 days or so.
00:16<Snow-Man>One day of logs is between like 20M and 50M.
00:17<Snow-Man>wtf is transcode anyway?
00:20<Snow-Man>Can mplayer w/ mdz's patch play Mythtv mpeg-4 files?
00:21<PeteCool_>I think it should... didn't work for me, but the patch has been updated many times since
00:21<Snow-Man>The patch appears to be mainly for rtjpeg stuff, which I didn't think was the same..
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00:22<bigguy>someone updated it for mpeg4 and rtjpeg .nuv files
00:25<Snow-Man>What was the suggestion to make the OSD fonts not look like ass? Install the windows fonts or something?
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00:29<Kuwanger>0.9 does look better
00:29<Snow-Man>Man, I'm gonna kill something if mythweb doesn't figure out how to return to where I was in the listings.
00:32<yebyen>0.9 is out?
00:33<yebyen>maybe whatshisname will update iulius
00:33<Kuwanger>The real shame is I haven't a clue how to fix my tv listing.. :/
00:33<Kuwanger>The second shame is, I have a group of nuv files I can't play now. :/
00:33<yebyen>what did you do to them?
00:34<Kuwanger>Nothing. One channel from is wrong.
00:34<Kuwanger>Or are you talking about the nuv's?
00:34<yebyen>i'm running cvs from like a week ago, heh... i wonder if there's anything cool i'm missing
00:34<yebyen>Kuwanger: the nuvs
00:35<Kuwanger>They're not in the database any more. Technically, I could find the nuv mplayer patch or manually readd the nuv files to the database.
00:35<Kuwanger>I'd go for the former more.. Sort of wish gentoo would do that.
00:35<yebyen>i seem to remember some app in the mythtv cvs tree a while back that re-added nuvs to your database, automagically
00:36* Kuwangershould look for such a tool.
00:36<yebyen>Kuwanger: and I don't run gentoo, but i was under the impression that it's trivial to add a patch to the list of patches that will get applied before building a port
00:37<Kuwanger>I'd have to mirror mplayer in an overlay directory.
00:38<PeteCool_>yebyen: I don't think Nathan is going to be updating Iulius for a while... unless he magically reappears
00:38<PeteCool_>he hasn't been around for quite a while
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00:38* Kuwangerdoes sort of wonder why he only sees two themes in mythtv, though.
00:39<yebyen>PeteCool_: eek
00:39<yebyen>Kuwanger: download more
00:39<Kuwanger>yebyen: I mean, the themes/ directory seems to show more.
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00:39<Kuwanger>mythtv-0.9/themes, that is, the source dir
00:40<yebyen>Kuwanger: oh, some of them are osd themes, some of them are normal themes... i think
00:40<Kuwanger>I see.
00:40<Kuwanger>How do you choose which osd is used?
00:40<yebyen>its in the setup
00:41<PeteCool_>Kuwanger: appearance -> playback I think
00:42<PeteCool_>yebyen: well, you might be getting a ported funhouse in a few days, if all goes well... I trying to port it over ;)
00:43<yebyen>i don't know, i like iuluis :)
00:43<yebyen>err yeah
00:46<PeteCool_>yebyen: eh, let me start with the easiest theme please ;)
00:46<Kuwanger>PeteCool_: Thanks, found it.
00:49<Kuwanger>Okay, here's a slightly silly question.
00:50<Kuwanger>Well, question/problem. There's two shows on at the same time, so I selected one over the other. However, that same show I disabled is also shown at a later time.
00:50<Kuwanger>Now, I set this disabled show to record at all times, so now that it's disabled in one place, shouldn't it record in the second?
00:51<Kuwanger>Aha..for some reason, one station's information is messed up.
00:53<Kuwanger>Fixed that..
00:53<Kuwanger>Now all I need is some clever way to insert a single channel into the listings..
00:53<Kuwanger>Ideas? :)
00:55<Kuwanger>Maybe I'll just bug zap2it.
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01:05<Kuwanger>Oh, one channel's listings aren't right as shown by zap2it.
01:06<PeteCool_>moegreen: can you take a look at this:
01:07<PeteCool_>moegreen: I can't figure out how to make those two conflicts look "unweird", this is with tarek's ui.xml (the conflicts look just the same in SasQ)
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01:14<PeteCool_>moegreen: nevermind, I figured it out
01:33<bline>did the release go well?
01:37<techniq>make[2]: Entering directory `/home/techniq/Documents/TARs/mythtv-0.9/programs/mythepg' g++ -o mythepg main.o -L/usr/lib/ -L/opt/qtbeta//lib/ -L/usr/X11R6/lib/ -L../../libs/libmyth -L../../libs/libmythtv -L../../libs/libavcodec -L../../libs/libvbitext -L../../libs/libavformat -lmythtv -lavformat -lavcodec -lvbitext -lmyth-0.9 -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lXinerama -lXv -lX11 -lXext -lXxf86vm -lmp3lame -lqt-mt -lXext -lX11 -lm -lpthread /usr/lib/g
01:37<techniq>i'm still getting this error, can anyone help?
01:38<bline>what error?
01:38<techniq>the one above.. during make
01:38<bline>I don't see an error there.
01:39<techniq>me -lqt-mt -lXext -lX11 -lm -lpthread /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-suse-linux/3.3/../../../../i486-suse-linux/bin/ld: cannot find -lqt-mt collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
01:39<techniq>that's truncated of it
01:39<bline>You have qt installed with the mysql module?
01:39<techniq>i have 0.8 installed
01:40<Kuwanger>For whatever reason, playing a recording show seems to like exitting at random. Any ideas?
01:40<bline>techniq: well it can't find libqt-mt in your ld paths.
01:41<techniq>hmm.. let me look
01:41<bline>Kuwanger: no errors output from mythbackend or mythfrontend?
01:42<bline>Kuwanger: are you using latest? 0.9
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01:43<Kuwanger>Using latest, yes.
01:43<Kuwanger>Don't have mythfrontend in a term.
01:43<techniq>well.. i added it to (oddly it wasn't there), then ldconfig and reran make, now i get this (might be the same thing...)
01:43<techniq>make[2]: Entering directory `/home/techniq/Documents/TARs/mythtv-0.9/programs/mythepg' g++ -o mythepg main.o -L/usr/lib/ -L/usr/lib/qt3//lib/ -L/usr/X11R6/lib/ -L../../libs/libmyth -L../../libs/libmythtv -L../../libs/libavcodec -L../../libs/libvbitext -L../../libs/libavformat -lmythtv -lavformat -lavcodec -lvbitext -lmyth-0.9 -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lXinerama -lXv -lX11 -lXext -lXxf86vm -lmp3lame -lqt-mt -lXext -lX11 -lm -lpthread ../../lib
01:43<Kuwanger>Or mythbackend.
01:43<techniq>../../libs/libavformat/libavformat.a(mov.o)(.text+0x348): In function `mov_read_ctab': : undefined reference to `av_realloc' ../../libs/libavformat/libavformat.a(utils.o)(.text+0xf30): In function `av_find_stream_info': : undefined reference to `av_reduce' ../../libs/libavformat/libavformat.a(4xm.o)(.text+0x377): In function `fourxm_read_header': : undefined reference to `av_realloc' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make[2]: *** [myth
01:43* Kuwangerwill try putting mythfrontend in one to see if it has an effect.
01:44<Chutt>kuwanger, might get some information from the messages it prints out is all
01:45<bline>techniq: more linking problems
01:46<techniq>am i missing more dir's in my
01:47<Kuwanger>Changing from WatchRecording to None
01:47<Kuwanger>Changing from None to None
01:47<Kuwanger>Then a slew of I think unrelated "Error loading image file:" messages.
01:48<Kuwanger>For some reason it's look in /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes/default/ for the snapshot image.
01:50<Kuwanger>I disabled the automatic commercial skipping, so that's not it.
01:53<PeteCool_>rkulagow: got a mail from Tony Clark yet?
01:58* Kuwangerguesses he'll try out the backend, once this recording thing is done.
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02:43<activelow>anyone know how I can find out my tuner # for my bttv card? it's a ATI TV Wonder/VE.
02:44<activelow>all of my channels display fine except 2 of them, and that's the only thing i can think that would be wrong..
02:44<activelow>Chutt: Thanks, that's the one I'm using..
02:45<activelow>For some reason TBS and WB look like they are scrambled... I tried the fine adjustment in xawtv but it didnt help.... ideas?
02:45<Chutt>if fine tuning doesn't work, and everything else does, no
02:47<activelow>alright... just sucks because TBS is what I want to record....
02:48<activelow>Only other problem I have is I've selected mpeg4 (and verified in mysql it's set) but it records with a *.nuv extension..
02:48<Chutt>that's what it does.
02:49<activelow>oh, so the *.nuv file is mpeg4 then in a non .avi container?
02:49<activelow>ok, that's good..
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03:25<bline>whatever happened to the alsa patch?
03:26<bigguy>he wanted to hold off on it till after 0.9
03:28<bline>ahh, but it was completed?
03:28* blinesearches dev list
03:46<Kuwanger>What's transcoding, btw?
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05:16<Thelonius>incredible job on .9 fellas
05:16<Thelonius>i don't know where you can take it for the be 1.0
05:18<Kuwanger>Thelonius: Less segfaults. :)
05:32<Thelonius>is it that bad right now?
05:39<Kuwanger>Not really.
05:39<Kuwanger>It did happen, though, so I'm running both mythback and front ends in gdb.
05:40<Kuwanger>My other concern is for some reason watching a show which is recording closes the mythtv viewer prematurely.
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09:24<mdz_>Snow-Man: I don't think the patch currently works correctly for RTjpeg files, because I've never used them. I wrote it to play MPEG-4.
09:26<Snow-Man>oh, ok.
09:27<Snow-Man>That's cool then. :)
09:27* Snow-Manwould like to be able to save things off as 'videos' and not as 'mythtv recorded stuff'.
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10:09<rkulagow_>thor: got your email. incorporating it now.
10:11<thor>that's going to get asked a lot
10:11<thor>thought the error message was clear enough, but seems not to be
10:14<rkulagow_>thor: mythmusic setup has now moved out of mythmusic into the main setup, correct? (still can't get it compiled over here...)
10:16<thor>rkulagow, yes, mostly (Scan music is still on music startup screen, but General Setup and Player Setup are below main Myth Setup)
10:17<thor>you want me to hack you a Makefile
10:17<thor>only take a sec
10:22<rkulagow_>you mean to bypass goom? i'll take a look and see if you can do it before i'm done editing the document.
10:22<rkulagow_>btw, i altered it a little, changed the "cd .cddb; rm -rf *" to "rm -rf .cddb/" the first one is going to end up with a bunch of deleted home directories.
10:23<rkulagow_>and you know it will; don't lie to yourself. =)
10:23<thor>that's extremely wise
10:23<Snow-Man>Yes, that would be bad..
10:23<Snow-Man>What's that in?
10:25<thor>Snow-Man, just in some documentation to deal with freedb look-ups
10:25<rkulagow_>thor: just nitpicky, but the Official Name of mythmusic it MythMusic. you should change your database.o error message. YOU WILL SUBMIT!!! =)
10:26<rkulagow_>is the error message due to cached info about the old freedb site that has changed recently?
10:26<thor>the url has changed
10:27<thor>if I change the error message, people will complain that they can't run MythMusic
10:31<rkulagow_>were you able to do anything about skipping the CD Extra tracks?
10:32<thor>I knew I was forgetting something ...
10:32<rkulagow_>moegreen: are you here?
10:32<thor>I'll pick up a CD extra later today
10:33<rkulagow_>ok; the docs tell the user to skip the CD extra track, but doesn't tell them _how_. i'll modify it a little.
10:36<Conaz>I have a quick question about the mailing lists. My posts are coming in with the from field as: To: Is that the way the list works, or is that going out to everyone that way?
10:37<Snow-Man>Wait a minute.
10:38<Conaz>All other emails coming in from the list show the actual name of the person sending the email to the list
10:38<Snow-Man>The *from* field is set to 'To:'?
10:38<Conaz>No, that is the odd part, it is set correctly
10:38<Conaz>Perhaps it is just pine messing with me
10:39<Snow-Man>You're not being exactly clear.
10:39<Conaz>Is is the display in pine that is showing (sorry)
10:39<Conaz>It must be a weirdness of pine
10:39<Snow-Man>That didn't exactly help clear things up.
10:40<Snow-Man>the from field for just your posts is set to 'To:'?
10:40<Snow-Man>But all other posts are fine?
10:40<Snow-Man>If that's the case then yes, I would suspect it to be pine's fault.
10:40<Conaz>Right, and the field (in the header) isn't set that way, just the display (in the list)
10:40<Snow-Man>Then it's definitely pine's fault. :)
10:41<Snow-Man>Pine's a piece of shit anyway, use something real like mutt.
10:41<Conaz>Been using pine too long, simply used to it :)
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10:46<rkulagow_>thor: synced the docs to CVS.
10:47<rkulagow_>chutt: please sync the website to cvs.
10:48<Snow-Man>He's not here atm.
10:49<rkulagow_>ah, just noticed that. thanks.
10:51<Conaz>Snow-Man: yup, apparently a feature and not a bug, of course no way to turn it off...
10:55<Conaz>I guess I can live with it, makes it easy to spot my own messages.
10:56<Conaz>on the plus side, I got my Tivo2 remote working last night, great remote for mythtv
10:57<moegreen>rkulagow_: what's up?
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11:00<Ku-less>Does static image work for anyone here?
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11:01<Conaz>Static image?
11:01<Ku-less>The thumbnail picture for playback.
11:01<Conaz>Oh, sure does
11:01<Conaz>On the "Watch Recordings" screen?
11:02<Ku-less>It looks in /usr/share/local/mythtv/themes/default/ for mine.
11:02<Ku-less>Yea, "Watch Recordings".
11:02<Conaz>Yup, I turned that on for the first time after installing 0.9 last night
11:02<Ku-less>/usr/local/share, rather
11:02<Conaz>Previously I had both stream and thumbnail turned off
11:05<rkulagow_>moegreen: just a minor thing i noticed; since the "return" key is overloaded to mean "update now" _and_ "switch units", i forced a refresh and was surprised to see that today the temperature was going to be 24 with a low of 12. took me a second to realize that it was C, since that page only indicates units for windspeed.
11:05<rkulagow_>(where it told me that windspeed was going to be 34 Km/h)
11:05<Conaz>Ku-less: It looks there for the thumbnails?
11:06<moegreen>rkulagow_: Doesn't the first page show pressue in kPa, wind in Km/h, wind chill has the C and so does the current least it does here :)
11:07<rkulagow_>yes, but if you're not on the first page when you hit enter you don't know that you've changed units until you wrap around...
11:08<moegreen>rkulagow_: true, I guess I could add the units (C/F) in today's forecast and somewhere in the extended forecast.
11:08<rkulagow_>you could; it was just a surprise, that's all.
11:08<moegreen>Or possibly change the update button to enter/space and put the unit change as 'm'
11:08<rkulagow_>that could also work.
11:08<rkulagow_>your code though; just wanted to bring it up.
11:09<Conaz>Ku-less: off to a meeting, good luck
11:12<Ku-less>Yea, it looks there.
11:12<Ku-less>Not a clue why.
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11:14<rkulagow_>morning, chutt. can you please sync website and cvs docs?
11:14<Ku-less>Well, I know one thing it might be..
11:15<rkulagow_>chutt: thanks
11:15<Ku-less>There's three places with "Error loading image file"
11:17<Chutt>did it install the themes properly? no errors during the end of the make install process?
11:17<Ku-less>The first two use a filename of "m_themepathname + fi.fileName()" or 'm_installprefix + "/share/mythtv/themes/default/" + fi.fileName()'.
11:17<Ku-less>Chutt: These are the thumbnail pictures.
11:20<Ku-less>QPixmap PlaybackBox::getPixmap(ProgramInfo *pginfo)
11:20<Ku-less>tmppix = gContext->LoadScalePixmap(filename);
11:21<Ku-less>And LoadScalePixmap is one of the two mentioned which uses the theme path as part of the full path to the filename.
11:22<Chutt>right, but it tries the passed in path first
11:23<Ku-less>And I'll take this wild guess that it doesn't?
11:24<Chutt>doesn't do what?
11:28<Ku-less>Find the image. I'm still looking for where the image is actually generated in the first palce.
11:28<Ku-less>err, place
11:28<Chutt>well, it's generated on the backend
11:28<Chutt>if the CacheRemotePixmap() call fails
11:29<Chutt>it goes and does the RemoteGeneratePreviewPixmap()
11:29<Chutt>which should create the image
11:29<Chutt>contacts the backend server and asks it to
11:31<Ku-less>Well, since it's not working..
11:31<Ku-less>Any ideas on what in the world it's doing? :)
11:31<Chutt>nope, not really
11:31<Ku-less>Maybe it's not even returning a full path.
11:31<mdz>Chutt: hey, I created my database from a post-0.8 CVS snapshot and for some reason 0-8-to-0-9.sql doesn't work, could you fix it please?
11:32<Chutt>mdz, sure!
11:36<Chutt>apparently, the website's done about 12GB worth of traffic this month
11:37<Snow-Man>Not too bad.
11:37<Ku-less>Chutt: I think I know what the problem is.
11:38<Ku-less>Just give me a second to verify. :)
11:43<Chutt>are the .png files getting created at all in the record directory?
11:43<Chutt>are these old recordings?
11:43<Chutt>or new ones?
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11:44<Ku-less>Old as in..?
11:44<Chutt>before 0.9
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11:44<Chutt>not that it should matter, but..
11:44<Ku-less>No, they were generated with 0.9.
11:44<Chutt>would there be any reason that they didn't complete recording?
11:44<Ku-less>The path is right. The permissions are right.
11:45<Ku-less>The shows are complete.
11:45<Chutt>sorry, i've got no idea, then
11:46<Ku-less>Could you tell me what actually generates the pixmap?
11:46<Ku-less>The function name, that is.
11:47<Chutt>i'll give you the whole path on the backend
11:48<Chutt>starting from programs/mythbackend/mainserver.cpp:HandleGenPreviewPixmap()
11:48<Chutt>then encoderlink: GetScreenGrab()
11:48<Chutt>then switches to libs/libmythtv.cpp GetScreenGrab()
11:49<Chutt>libs/libmythtv/NuppelVideoPlayer.cpp: GetScreenGrab()
11:49<Chutt>which uses either nuppeldecoder.cpp or avformatdecoder.cpp's code to grab a frame
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11:50<Chutt>then it goes all the way back up to the original HandleGenPreviewPixmap() to actually save the .png
11:54<Ku-less>"Should be local only query: GetScreenGrab"
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12:00<Ku-less>Aha, I think.
12:01<Ku-less>The wrong encoder is being produced.
12:03<Ku-less>Maybe I'm a bit stupid..
12:03<Ku-less>But you can't compare strings with ==, right?
12:04* Ku-lessthinks he knows the answer.
12:05<mdz>depends on what you mean by a string
12:07<Ku-less>It's not pea soup.
12:07<Ku-less>Does that narrow it down?
12:07<thor>QString's have operator== overloaded
12:08<Chutt>that's standard
12:09<Ku-less>Apparently I had two instances of the same card input (/dev/video is /dev/video0).
12:09<Ku-less>However, the first was for localhost. The other was for kuwanger.
12:10<Ku-less>kuwanger is the actual hostname.
12:10<Ku-less>Both resolve to
12:10<Chutt>it just uses the name, though, not the resolved ip
12:10<Ku-less>But the comparison just does a string comparison. As a result, it believed accessing localhost was remote.
12:11<Ku-less>And you can do a remote screengrab.
12:11<Ku-less>err, can't
12:11<Chutt>well, you can, if there's a server with that name connected
12:11<Chutt>but not in this instance
12:12<Chutt>that could very well be breaking recording of programs as well
12:12<Chutt>(having two instances of the same capture card defined)
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12:13<Ku-less>Which is odd since I redefined one.
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12:23<rkulagow_>chutt: could you sync website to CVS docs please? website is showing 2.43 vs. 2.45 (unless something is getting cached on my end).
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12:50<Ku-less>Thanks for the all the help.
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13:43<Chutt>nice bug, thor.
13:47<thor>there's always something
13:47<Chutt>you could at least test things
13:47<Chutt>there's only been a thousand or so downloads with it broken
13:47<Chutt>it's not like that was complicated code
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13:48<Chutt>now i'm going to have to put out another release
13:48<Chutt>and i really don't want to do that
13:49<thor>sorry ... it does only effect people who use internal volume controls
13:49<Chutt>that's on by default.
13:49<thor>but it is a big screw up, I admit
13:49<Chutt>so, that's everyone
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13:49<bigguy>0.9.1 soon?
13:49<bigguy>lo bma
13:49<bma>hi bigguy :)
13:51* bigguybuilds new sawfish debs without esd or gnome support
13:53<Conaz>I don't use the volume controls, so 1 out of a thousand unaffected :)
13:53<Chutt>conaz, you've turned that off?
13:53<Chutt>i'd think most people wouldn't bother
13:53<Conaz>Well, I don't use it
13:54<Chutt>doesn't matter, then
13:54<Chutt>it'll still zero out the right channel on channel change
13:56<PeteCool_>Chutt: did you lrelease my mythfrontend_fr.ts before comitting my french patch?
13:56<Chutt>i've probably done that since then, why?
13:57<bma>Snow-Man: hey, how are you doing channel changes? do you just have regular cable in the basement?
13:57<Chutt>since the german translation went in afterwards
13:57<Snow-Man>bma: At the moment, yes.
13:57<Snow-Man>bma: Just using 'cable-ready' and a tuner.
13:57<Snow-Man>bma: Eventually I want to put a cable box in the basement and get an IR tranceiver to do the channel changes.
13:58<PeteCool_>hmm... I see an extra dot in the delete popup, at an annoying spot, I'll re-build everything and see what it gives
13:58<PeteCool_>the .ts doesn't have that dot
13:59<bma>Snow-Man: instead of a radio remote you could get IR repeaters or something
13:59<bma>I saw them mentioned somewhere the other day
14:05<Chutt>is there anything else i could fix while i'm at it?
14:06<Snow-Man>bma: I'd only bother doing that if that was cheaper...
14:06<Snow-Man>Chutt: mythweb? ;)
14:06* Snow-Manducks
14:07<Snow-Man>Though maybe you committed that already.
14:07<Chutt>i did
14:07<Chutt>it's only a bug if that's the first thing you try to record something with
14:07<Snow-Man>yea, but that makes alot of sense to me.
14:08<Chutt>it's easy enough to put up a new version of that as well
14:08<bma>Snow-Man: it'd let you support 'normal' IR remotes, and maybe you could get rid of your 50 bazillion remotes :)
14:08<Snow-Man>bma: Well, my goal would probably be a combined ir/radio remote.
14:08<Snow-Man>That's fully programmable and shiat. :)
14:09<bma>looks like an IR extender is about $47
14:10<bma>less ouch than a radio card and remote, probably.
14:10<bma>programmable remotes aren't exactly cheap in the IR world, I don't imagine radio ones are either
14:10<Snow-Man>How's the IR extender work?
14:11<bma>Snow-Man: converts the signal to UHF
14:11<Snow-Man>Oh, so then you run it over a wire?
14:11<bma>I don't think so
14:11<bma>UHF is just a frequency
14:12<Chutt>petecool, figure it out?
14:12<Snow-Man>I'd need that and an IR receiver, though I might have the chip for one of those..
14:12<bma>Chutt: by the way, mythtv has a new nickname ... "Ghetto TiVo"
14:13<Chutt>from who?
14:13<bma>Snow-Man's finacee
14:15<Chutt>snowman got engaged?
14:15<Snow-Man>Uh, yeah, christmas. :)
14:16<Chutt>shows how much i pay attention to things
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14:17<Chutt>rkulagow, i updated the docs, btw
14:17<bma>Snow-Man: hey, how much is your digital cable per box?
14:17<Chutt>can you think of anything that might be easy to fix?
14:18<Snow-Man>Don't remember.. Maybe like $12 or so at most?
14:18<Chutt>since i'm going to be putting out a 0.9.1 soon..
14:18<Snow-Man>I think it's actually less.
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14:19<bma>Snow-Man: I meant for the service as a whole.
14:19<bma>so say you only had one receiver
14:19<Snow-Man>Why'd you say per box?
14:19<bma>Snow-Man: oh, just cuz comcast charges so much for the first, then like $12 for additionals
14:19<Snow-Man>I don't remember, I'd have to look on the bill at home.. Maybe like $40-$50 for everything with one box?
14:19<Snow-Man>Like, regular cable, extended, digital and 1 box
14:20* bmahates the deregulation
14:20<bma>for comcast digital, it's like $43.75 for the first, then $12 something for each additional
14:21<bma>but it lowers my internet bill by $15, so it's about an even wash
14:22<inman>comcast is +$4/cable-box/month.
14:22<bma>maybe for you
14:22<bma>well, that $12 is for digital cable.
14:23<inman>in PA and MA it's +$4/box for digital, yes.
14:23<inman>where are you located?
14:24<bma>the land of utility sodomy
14:24<inman>what do you pay for cable (not including internet) and what service level do you get?
14:25<bma>I dont' have cable right now, I have dish.
14:25<bma>and dish has been sucking lately
14:26<Chutt>mdz: "also, if you're doing a new install of MDZ's 0.9 Debian packages, I noticed that the current version doesn't set the ownership on /var/cache/mythtv (and possibly /var/lib/mythtv, but I can't remember offhand if I had to fix that as well) to be owned by the mythtv user"
14:26<inman>bma: can you compare dish to digital cable?
14:27<bma>inman: dish is $50.43 with all applicable packages for the '100 channel' package
14:27<bma>that's for two receivers.
14:27<Snow-Man>Heh, I could probably get an IR->X10 convertor for cheaper. :)
14:27<bma>same sort of setup with cable will be $66.19 if both are digital cable.
14:28<bma>but the 'intro' is like $45 for 3 receivers plus 6 months free showtime
14:28<inman>yes, but what about the user experience?
14:28<bma>pretty even
14:28<bma>except cable isn't fucked up by the weather as much
14:29<rkulagow__>well, looks like it didn't take long for MythTV to get onto /. again. this time because replay is getting rid of the commercial skip.
14:29<inman>do you have DSS or HDTV or anything over and beyond normal stereo/analog TV?
14:29<bma>not yet, although we're considering getting HDTV soon
14:30<Chutt>rkulagow, mentioned in the theora article, too
14:30<Chutt>well, in the comments
14:31<mdz>Chutt: if ! dpkg-statoverride --list /var/log/mythtv >/dev/null; then
14:31<mdz> chown mythtv:mythtv /var/log/mythtv
14:31<mdz> chmod 2775 /var/log/mythtv
14:31<mdz> fi
14:31<mdz>er, wrong stanza
14:31<mdz>hmm, now that you mention it :->
14:31<Chutt>i dunno
14:32<mdz>a couple of important things got lost somehow when I merged 0.8, dunno how
14:32<Chutt>it's in the comments on the website
14:32<mdz>it's confusing tracking CVS and the packaging at the same time
14:32<Chutt>mdz, there's going to be an 0.9.1 in a few
14:32<Chutt>if you want to wait for that =)
14:33<mdz>it's fixed in my CVS now
14:33<mdz>Chutt: a few what? hours or days?
14:34<mdz>things have been pretty quiet as far as feedback on the packages, dunno if folks haven't upgraded or if things are mostly working
14:34<Chutt>due to it muting the right channel on channel changes if you haven't disabled the internal volume controls
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14:34<mdz>you mean people leave that enabled? :-P
14:34<Chutt>i don't =)
14:35<mdz>well, clearly
14:35<yebo>mythtv doesnt work with other codecs besides rtjpeg or mpeg4 right?
14:36yeboyebyen Jun 10 14:36:06 <Chutt> yebo, mpeg-2 with hardware encoder cards
14:36<mdz>yebo: what do you have in mind?
14:36<Chutt>mjpeg with hardware mjpeg cards
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14:36<Chutt>it could theoretically use anything present in libavcodec, but there's not much point, really
14:36<yebo>well, i dont have a hardware encoder, but i want to use mpeg2
14:37<mdz>yebo: why?
14:37<yebo>right now im converting the rtjpeg to mpeg2
14:38<yebo>i like to burn discs with what i record
14:40<yebo>also, i have a hardware DV encoder
14:40<mdz>yebo: I don't know of an open source real-time mpeg-2 encoder
14:40<yebo>would be nice to somehow take advantage of that
14:41<yebo>i dont know if the hardware DV encoder works in linux.. even if it does, i guess it's too proprietary
14:48<yebo>man, i have screwed up my encoder settings
14:48<dopez>i wish those PVR 250 card would get a little cheaper, 2 of those with mythtv is also nice ;)
14:48<yebo>nothing like filling up your hard disk to make the system really slow
14:49<yebo>there isnt a way to use mpeg2 decoder boards as hardware encoders is there?
14:50<yebo>i wouldnt think you could, but i have a nagging feeling that i saw something a long while back about people trying to use them to encode
14:51<yebo>i have so many mpeg decoder boards sitting around
14:59<mdz>Chutt: 76 deb downloads since yesterday
15:00<Chutt>is that total, or all the debs combined?
15:02<bma>Chutt: is the backend connection crap in main.cpp:main()?
15:02<bma>the MasterServer* stuff?
15:03<Chutt>and like i told srl, you'll probably just want to edit the menu .xml files to remove the tv buttons
15:04<bma>I did
15:16<bma>g++ is so slow :)
15:16<mdz>Chutt: that is downloads of libmyth-0.9, to estimate
15:16<mdz>I haven't put up new mythmusic, mythweb, etc.
15:16<Chutt>ah, ok. figured you wouldn't be overcounting like that, but =)
15:16<mdz>0.9.1 isn't going to break library compatibility, right?
15:16<Chutt>oh, no
15:16<Chutt>not at all
15:17<mdz>I'll go ahead and build them, then
15:17<Chutt>i'm going to put the tarball together at 4
15:17<mdz>I haven't even seen the new stuff in any of the other modules
15:17<Chutt>mythvideo's very cool now
15:17<Chutt>and mythmusic is very much nicer =)
15:17<mdz>Chutt: maybe all the modules should go on one page, instead of having a section for mythtv and one for everything else
15:18<bma>Chutt: that's the only reason I'm installing this junk, mythvideo :-)
15:18* bmahides
15:18<mdz>bma: er, the only point in mythvideo is that it integrates with mythtv
15:18<Chutt>yeah, i know you're a weenie
15:18<Chutt>a big, bald, aol weenie
15:19<bma>mdz: except if you want a nice movie playing interface without the live tv stuff
15:19<bma>Chutt: you forgot tivo-using
15:29<yebo>has anyone tried to run mythtv on an xbox?
15:32<mdz>mythweb deb is up
15:34<Chutt>mdz, that's going to get a minor bugfix as well
15:38<mdz>Chutt: damn you
15:38<mdz>actually that's the easiest one, since it's the same binary package for woody and unstable
15:41<PeteCool_>Chutt: You remember funhouse had different titles for each XML menu? Jeremy did it with <image mode=TV> and such... Is there some way to do that with the 3rd-level menus that were added since 0.8?
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15:43<Chutt>petecool, yeah
15:43<Chutt>you just need to add to the titles section of theme.xml
15:44<mdz>hmm, mythmusic has config stuff built-in now, right?
15:44<PeteCool>and I can find out the mode names from the various menu xml's?
15:44<mdz>is mythmusic_settings gone?
15:44<Chutt>petecool, yup
15:44<Chutt>mdz, yup
15:44* mdzrips out all that ugly postinst
15:48<Conaz>yebo: there are plenty of posts on the mail list indicating that people have indeed run mythtv on the xbox
15:49<mdz>people say a lot of silly things on the mailing lists
15:50<Conaz>I take it you doubt that it has been done?
15:52<mdz>I don't really care
15:52<mdz>one way or the other
15:54<Conaz>ahh, it is all about the indifference :)
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16:02<mdz># Change MY_HOST_NAME to the base name of the
16:02<mdz># computer you will be runnning mythmusic from
16:02<mdz>what is this business
16:02<mdz>Chutt: can this be NULL?
16:03<Chutt>needs to be the current hostname of the machine
16:04<rkulagow__>just noticed something. started watching a show in watch recordings; third program from the top. while i was watching a new recording started. i hit esc and said "save position". when i returned to the "watch recordings" screen, the blue highlight bar was still on the third show, but since there was a new one at the top the highlight was now on a different program instead of following the show that it had been on down to the 4th po
16:04<rkulagow__>did that explanation make sense?
16:04<rkulagow__>watching a show, then exiting using the same technique leaves the highlight on the same show.
16:10<mdz>Chutt: was this done in order to make packaging more difficult? :-P
16:10<Chutt>yes, yes it was
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16:11<thor>mdz, it's only required for people who had playlists in a CVS version before the table changed
16:11<PeteCool>how does the bottom part of that screen look (I haven't touched the top yet):
16:12<mdz>thor: oh, ok. why is it in 0-8-to-0-9.sql then?
16:12<Chutt>oh, that's right
16:12<Chutt>playlists weren't even in there before, aside from the default saved one
16:13<thor>checking ...
16:13<PeteCool>I'm just looking for an ok, or a non-ok...
16:14<Chutt>petecool, not much contrast in the deselected portions to the left
16:15<Chutt>or mythtv-0.9-to-0.9.1.diff.gz
16:15<Chutt>if you'd rather use that
16:15<Chutt>mythweb-0.9.1.tar.bz2 as well
16:15<Chutt>but i really doubt anyone but snow-man'll see that bug
16:15<mdz>16:15:52 ERROR -1: No data received.
16:16<thor> has gone away
16:16<PeteCool>hmm, does draworder have 0 drawn first or last?
16:16<Chutt>my my, that it has
16:16<thor>0 is first
16:16<Chutt>just after i finished uploading
16:17<thor>mdz, don't know much about Debain packaging, but you can just assume uname -n
16:18<Chutt>server's still workin
16:18<thor>Chutt, weired here, not 404
16:19<thor>just ... nothing
16:19<mdz>blows up in every agent I've tried
16:19<Chutt>server's still working wrt ssh
16:19<Chutt>and other stuff
16:19<Chutt>just no httpd
16:19<mdz>End of file while parsing headers.
16:21<mdz>metadata.o: Something asked me to look up a StringList entry that doesn't exist
16:21<mdz>I get one of those every time I start the new mythmusic
16:21<thor>no data in your tables
16:21<mdz>works fine though
16:21<mdz>songs are there
16:22<mdz>no playlists, of course
16:26<Chutt>email sent off to website owner
16:26<mdz>mythmusic unstable debs up
16:27<mdz>thor: I'm just removing that from 0-8-to-0-9 in the package
16:27<mdz>because it's not necessary for an upgrade from 0.8
16:32<mdz>Chutt: my money's on a full /var
16:32<PeteCool>Chutt: can you try the image URL again and see if it's better?
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16:33<Chutt>mdz, could be, i have no way of telling
16:33<mdz>Chutt: oh, I thought you said ssh worked
16:34<Chutt>i'm in a chroot
16:34<Chutt>no way to get diskspace
16:34<mdz>a chroot without /proc
16:35<Chutt>rm -f error_log.4
16:35<Chutt>rm: cannot unlink `error_log.4': Permission denied
16:35<Chutt>so, can't make space, either
16:36<mdz>I guess that's enough myth packaging for today, then
16:36<Chutt>just when i had everything ready to go for 0.9.1
16:36<mdz>didn't get around to downloading weather or gallery yet
16:37<thor>gven the day I've had so far, this would be precisely the point where /. editors to decide to post a New Myth Released story
16:38<mdz>heh, I was just browsing the sites which link to mythtv
16:38<mdz>#1 on google is FLAC
16:41<inman>Chutt: you probably have your reasons for your current hosting, but check out fwiw.
16:41<Chutt>biggest reason is it's completely free for me
16:41<inman>Chutt: i figured it was something like that.
16:42<inman>eryxma offers virtual machines for like $25/year though.
16:42<inman>i'm very happy with it.
16:42<Chutt>how much bandwidth?
16:43<dopez>not sure if its worth mentioning, but i'm getting allot less dropped frames now, only 3 things changed, i upgraded ram (1gb memory), i've recompiled my kernel with v4l2 support and using bttv 0.9.10, most of the jittering is now from the player (ie move the mouse over a few links in konqueror or mozilla makes it really worse, but same as mplayer mostly
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16:45<Snow-Man>mdz; Are you installing keys.txt somewhere yet? :)
16:45<rroca>leandro? are you there?
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16:50<mdz>Snow-Man: look for 0.9.1-1
16:51<Snow-Man>k. :)
16:51<mdz>I don't know wtf happened to it, it used to be there
16:51<mdz>mythtv (0.7-10) unstable; urgency=low
16:51<mdz> * Add Bugs: header to control file. Please use reportbug to report
16:51<mdz> problems with these packages
16:51<mdz> * Include keys.txt in documentation (describes key bindings)
16:51<mdz> -- Matt Zimmerman <> Sun, 17 Nov 2002 17:22:11 -0500
16:51<Snow-Man>Got me. :)
16:51<mdz>it's in CVS at any rate
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16:57<PeteCool>this one looks much better IMO: ... what do you guys think?
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16:58<Chutt>that looks better
16:59<Chutt>you can leave the 4/6 stuff off the bottom, too
17:00<PeteCool>Chutt: k, will do... those don't work very well anyway
17:01<rroca>that looks very nice pete! ;)
17:01<PeteCool>rroca: thanks =)
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17:04<billytwowilly>am I the only person who can't get to the webpage?
17:04<Chutt>nope, it's down at the moment
17:04<Chutt>don't know why
17:04<billytwowilly>heh, figures;)
17:04<billytwowilly>the day I set aside to try and get my mythtv box working the website is down;)
17:05<Chutt>it just went down a little bit ago
17:05<c0ol>what luck
17:06<billytwowilly>it's just amusing to me because I had to wait a month for the motherboard to come in, which put it coming in the day I had to pack to go up north to visit my gf, then the day I get back from that the website went down;)
17:08<rroca>did you say hola bline?
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17:17<TheAsp>heh, i can apt-get upgrade without starving myth without sync() :)
17:17<PeteCool>mandatory simpsons shot: :p
17:21<rroca>haha great again pete, funhouse will never die. it's a classic. looking forward 2 see it @ the gallery, my theme is too alone there right now
17:24<TheAsp>is the website broken?
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17:26<billytwowilly>hi, is there any other place besides the website where I can get the 0.9 release?
17:27<dopez>i've uploaded the 0.9 .tar.bz2 at , but its not a official mirror
17:27<billytwowilly>oh ok, thanks. does that include the other myth modules?
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17:28<dopez>just mythtv
17:29<billytwowilly>ok, thanks.
17:29<rroca>wht don't take it from the CVS?
17:30<billytwowilly>the website is down.. I have no idea how to get at the CVS because all that data was on the webpage..
17:30<PeteCool>billytwowilly: yeah, you'd be getting a few bugfixes too (like stereo playback sound :)
17:30<rroca>wait, i'll tell you
17:30<PeteCool>billytwowilly: cvs -z7 co mythtv
17:30<TheAsp>stereo be broke in cvs?
17:30<billytwowilly>PeteCool: hold that thought;) lemme get on my mythtv box;)
17:30<PeteCool>TheAsp: thor said it was in 0.9
17:31<rroca>cvs -d login
17:31<rroca>then, password is "mythtv"
17:31<TheAsp>thats what i ment :)
17:31<thor>if you use internal mixer
17:31<rroca>to get the module you want, mythtv, mythvideo, etc....:
17:31<thor>then changing channels drops the right to 0
17:31<thor>because I am an idiot
17:31<thor>it's fixed
17:31<TheAsp>in live tv?
17:31<rroca>cvs -z3 -d checkout <module>
17:31<PeteCool>thor: heh, everybody makes mistakes, don't worry :)
17:32<billytwowilly>hold on one sec. I have to plug the ethernet cable from this computer into my mythtv box;)
17:32<thor>TheAsp, in live, yes ... but cvs and the 0.9.1 are both fixed
17:33<dopez>should i take the 0.9 offline (i didnt know cvs still worked, no need to keep older versions around i guess)
17:33* TheAsphands billytwowilly some solder and duct tape
17:33<rroca>haha bylly, have you ever think in buying a hub? ;)
17:34<thor>dopez, replace it with a two lie text file that shows cvs command line?
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17:37<billy2willy>sorry, could you guys cut/paste the important stuff about cvs back in here please?
17:37<rroca>cvs -d login
17:37<rroca>then, password is "mythtv"
17:37<rroca>to get the module you want, mythtv, mythvideo, etc....:
17:37<rroca>cvs -z3 -d checkout <module>
17:38<billy2willy>can I checkout all?
17:38<billy2willy>just put all?
17:38<rroca>ahh i dont know, i do it for each module
17:39<billy2willy>ok, thank you very much.
17:39<mdz>Chutt: the mirror has backfired; apparently now everyone is going to pull CVS instead of getting the tarball
17:40<dopez>ok, file removed, copy/pasted the info on how to get cvs in a .txt file
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17:42<PeteCool>dopez: I think you should get it yourself... and tarball all that
17:43<PeteCool>dopez: the CVS server is already slow, if everybody gets it there, it'll be hell
17:43<PeteCool>dopez: name it something like myth<module>-0.9.1-cvs.tar.bz2
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17:44<Chutt>or you could just wait a little and the webserver will be back
17:44<dopez>oh, ok, i'll upload a cvs snapshot, will take a few minutes tho, if there are now objections ;)
17:44<Chutt>don't distribute a cvs snapshot.
17:45<PeteCool>Chutt: well, better than killing cvs too imho... unless it's gotten better in the last few hours
17:46<PeteCool>Chutt: but you're the boss for those kind of things =)
17:48<rroca>did i talk too much? :(
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17:53<thor>yes, the website is down
17:54<Viddy>nah, pete
17:54<LeandroD>slashdotted by all mythtv fans?
17:55<PeteCool>LeandroD: Isaac said it looked more like not enough free space... that was a while ago, though
17:57<LeandroD>I have some web space for free... high speed, UPS and so on ... my offer for hosting of myth site is still valid
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18:11<Snow-Man>Over/underscanning. V: 0.000000, H: 0.000000, XOff: 0, YOff: 0
18:11<Snow-Man>Using XV port 207
18:11<Snow-Man>Well, that sucks.
18:12<Snow-Man>It reset my volume settings too.
18:13<Snow-Man>2003-06-10 14:00:02 Started recording "Star Trek: The Next Generation" on channel: 1054 on cardid: 2, sourceid: 2
18:13<Snow-Man>That seems kind of weird too.
18:14<Snow-Man>Like, I don't remember seeing 1054 anywhere.
18:16<Chutt>that's 2054
18:16<Chutt>or 2055
18:17<Chutt>the message isn't quite exact with that value
18:17<Chutt>it's subtracting 1000 or 999 or 1001 from the actual value, iirc
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18:19<Snow-Man>Hrm, ok, odd.
18:19<Snow-Man>Ok, the commercial skip thing is kinda cool.
18:19<Snow-Man>Wish I knew what the segfault was from.
18:19<Snow-Man>Did you see that?
18:20<Snow-Man>18:07 <Snow-Man> Using XV port 207
18:20<Snow-Man>18:07 <Snow-Man> Memory fault
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18:21<Chutt>sorry, you were split off
18:21<Chutt>did not see that
18:21<Snow-Man>I've got it under gdb now but of course it's not segfaulting.
18:21<TheAsp>of course
18:21<Chutt>make sure you didn't leak any shm segments
18:22<Chutt>it tends to do that if you kill off the frontend =)]
18:22<Chutt>err, =)
18:22<Snow-Man>Now where do I find that?
18:23<Snow-Man>Oh, nice. :)
18:24<Chutt>not much of a unix admin, are ya? :p
18:25<Chutt>no website for meeee
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18:33<TheAsp>i wonder how often you can call fsync without causing problems
18:34<Snow-Man>Chutt: pah, piss off. :)
18:36<Snow-Man>God damn that commercial skip shit is nice.
18:37<Snow-Man>Welsy is such a pussy.
18:40<TheAsp>so is wil wheaton
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18:53<bma>so, what do I use to setup mythtv? is down :)
18:54<TheAsp>patience? :)
18:54<bma>I foudn it.
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19:31<PeteCool>Snow-Man: is it possible to change the mythtv mailing lists' welcome messages?
19:35<Chutt>petecool, the link to the good archives is _right_ after the link to sign up to the mailing lists
19:35<Chutt>i see no need to point to them again
19:35<PeteCool>Chutt: no, it's html email that's pissing me off again
19:36<Chutt>so filter it
19:38<mdz_>Chutt: I think I've found my backend crash
19:38<mdz_>it explains why I never got a core out of it
19:38<mdz_>it's getting killed by a SIGPIPE
19:38<mdz_>while talking to the database
19:39<mdz_>I think all we need to do is ignore SIGPIPE
19:39<Chutt>want to set up the signal handler for that, then?
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19:40<mdz_>should probably do it in the frontend as well
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19:41<Chutt>first 'where's the website post' to the mailing list
19:41<Chutt>'course, the dumbass posted it from the wrong address
19:43<rjmunro>Anyone know about DVB?
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19:46<Snow-Man>Damnit, setterm -blank ain't working for me.
19:46<Chutt>rjmunro, wrt what?
19:47<rjmunro>Does it work yet? What hardware does it work with? (sorry if I am being a newbie)
19:47<Chutt>doesn't work
19:47<Snow-Man>AutoCommercialFlag is autoskip?
19:47<Chutt>should work with any dvb card with a little work
19:47<Snow-Man>oh, nm.
19:48<rjmunro>I presume that it can save the MPEG 2 stream right off the air, so a fast processor for encoding should not be neccesary?
19:48<Chutt>and no quality loss from the extra compression step
19:49<rjmunro>If I were to do a DVB backend only, could I get away with something /really/ slow like a regular pentium 1?
19:49<Snow-Man>The HD has to be able to keep up...
19:50<Snow-Man>I hate it when syslog-ng dies.
19:51<Snow-Man>wtf is with that shit?
19:51<rjmunro>HDD shouldn't be a problem, should it?
19:51<Snow-Man># Sender: mailer-daemon
19:51<Snow-Man># Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] TV and Video larger than my screen
19:51<Snow-Man># Reason: Post by non-member to a members-only list
19:51<Snow-Man>Chutt: Is that shit spam?
19:52<rjmunro>Not neccesarily. I often post from a different e-mail address to the one I receive mailing lists at.
19:52<Snow-Man>Just an idiot then? :)
19:52<Snow-Man>rjmunro: He posted with the from set to mailer-daemon.
19:53<Snow-Man>rjmunro: If you do that then *you're* an idiot.
19:53<rjmunro>Eg. sometimes I accidentally post from my work address when I am at work.
19:53<Chutt>rjmunro, you'd still have to be able to keep up with the data rate and writing to disk
19:53<Snow-Man>rjmunro: You're totally missing it.
19:53<Chutt>couldn't be _really_ slow
19:53<Snow-Man>Don't know if a pentium1 with an IDE disk could keep up.
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19:54<rjmunro>I'll probably need a new machine for the backend, then...
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19:56<mdz_>Snow-Man: two gotchas with setterm
19:56<mdz_>Snow-Man: 1) it outputs an escape sequence to stdout, so you need to redirect it to the console if you aren't there
19:56<Snow-Man>mdz_: TERM=linux setterm -blank 0 > /dev/console
19:56<Snow-Man>Didn't seem to work. :/
19:56<mdz_>ah, that covers both
19:57<Snow-Man>Yeah, I dunno.
19:57<mdz_>you disabled the X screensaver?
19:57<Chutt>there's a whole section in the mythtv howto about screensaver/blanking disabling
19:57<Snow-Man>Not running one...
19:57<mdz_>Snow-Man: I mean the built-in one
19:57<mdz_>Snow-Man: xset s off
19:58<Snow-Man>Hrm, ok, tried that, we'll see what happens.
19:58<Chutt>rjmunro, anyway, speed of the backend's pretty irrelevant until someone finishes the dvb support
19:58<robertj>mdz: I can't get on the myth website for some reason, are debs out?
19:58<mdz_>Snow-Man: xset -dpms as well
19:58<Snow-Man>I wish Linus had accepted my patch to make the kernel blanking configurable during make config.
19:58<mdz_>robertj: yes
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19:58<mdz_>but the debs have never been distributed from the website
19:58<inman>kernel blanking?
19:58<robertj>Well the site has the link
20:00<mdz_>inman: that's what setterm controls
20:00<Snow-Man>How often is settings rescanned for things like autocommercialskip?
20:00<mdz_>Chutt: committed that sigpipe fix to CVS
20:00<inman>never heard that called 'kernel blanking'. :-)
20:00<robertj>is there any particular reason you can't stick liblame and xmltv into the repository as well?
20:00<Snow-Man>robertj: There's available elsewhere...
20:01<mdz_>inman: assuming by 'kernel blanking' you mean the blanking done by the kernel console driver, that's exactly what it is
20:01<Snow-Man>mdz_: That's what I meant, certainly. :)
20:01<inman>it's an assumption, yes.
20:01<Snow-Man>hehe. :)
20:01<robertj>Snow-Man: well I meant for convenience sake
20:02<Snow-Man>robertj: eh, that's make it less convenient for people like me, possibly. :)
20:02<Snow-Man>If things conflicted...
20:02<mdz_>robertj: yes, because I wouldn't want to have to update it all the time
20:02<Snow-Man>Well, actually, Debian is smart about that, but still.
20:02<mdz_>robertj: you might as well get them from the source
20:04<Cloak>is there a way to turn autocommercial flagging/skipping off for live tv?
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20:16<Chutt>well, that's crappy. doesn't have tracking information for their cheap shipments to the us
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20:19<Kuwanger>I tried adding a feature to playback but it doesn't seem to be working.
20:19<Chutt>did fixing your doubled capturecard entry help things?
20:19<Kuwanger>Well, I've no idea if any other problems were being caused by it.
20:19<Kuwanger>So, not sure.
20:20<Kuwanger>Anyways, I'm trying to make the playback to be the same size as the gui. So, I added an option called "UseGuiDimensions"
20:21<Chutt>you might not have to do that for very long, though, as i'm planning on reworking how it does the display windows and stuff in the near future
20:21<Kuwanger>All it does is this.. : // if non-XV mode then run @ GUI size
20:21<Kuwanger> if ( xv_port == -1 ||
20:21<Kuwanger> gContext->GetNumSetting("UseGuiDimensions", 1))
20:21<Kuwanger> {
20:21<Chutt>going to try to get everything down to one window instead of opening up multiple ones
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20:21<Kuwanger>Yea, that'd be nice.
20:22<PeteCool>Chutt: would that affect themeing?
20:22<Kuwanger>Any ideas why that's failing?
20:22<PeteCool>Chutt: anyway, it'd sure fix those focus problems
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20:23<Chutt>kuwanger, nope. are those values it sets getting overridden later on due to xv_port being something != -1?
20:23<Chutt>petecool, well, it's more for other stuff, but yeah
20:23<Chutt>and no, it wouldn't affect theming
20:25<Kuwanger>Chutt: Hmm..nothing off hand seem to indicate that.
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20:27<Chutt>the ToggleFullScreen() call at the end of that function?
20:27<Kuwanger>Wouldn't that break all non-Xv stuff?
20:28<Chutt>no, since it returns immediately if xv_port == -1
20:30<Kuwanger>So, there's the easy solution and the hard solution..
20:33<Kuwanger>Okay, now it's mico. :)
20:42<Kuwanger>Okay, fix it. That was actually relatively easy.
20:45<Kuwanger>err, fixed
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20:47<PeteCool>Chutt: I get this error: pixie i18n # lrelease
20:47<PeteCool>XML error: Parse error at line 19, column 14 (tag mismatch).
20:47<PeteCool>lrelease warning: For some reason, I cannot load 'mythfrontend_fr.ts'
20:48<PeteCool>line 19, char 14 is a '>'... plus the character encoding seems whacked
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20:50<PeteCool>if 0.9.1 isn't tarballed yet, think you can wait for an updated file?
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20:53<rcaskey>mdz: where do I specify the location of my mp3s?
20:55<PeteCool>rcaskey: see the setup item in the root menu
20:55<PeteCool>rcaskey: or maybe in the music menu, I don't remember if it has been moved yet
20:55<rcaskey>too easy
20:57<rcaskey>what does myth need write access to the mp3s for?
20:59<PeteCool>it only needs write to access to the directory
20:59<PeteCool>I don't remember why, though
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21:06<Snow-Man>Well, installs Debian on it, more specifically.
21:06<Snow-Man>Quit dicking the audio, damnit!
21:07* Snow-Manwonders where the audio went.
21:09<Snow-Man>It sounds *really* quiet.
21:09<rcaskey>mmm...savor it
21:09<Snow-Man>I wonder if I muted it or something...
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21:33* rcaskeyis all excited, getting HD cable tommorow
21:38<rcaskey>btw, it seems mythmusic works fine without +w
21:38<rcaskey>obviously I wouldn't expect ripping to work, but still
21:40<PeteCool>Chutt: almost done with the french update... seems I have a few words added, words for the cutlist editor that weren't there before !?
21:40* rcaskeystarts getting a bit impatient when xmltv continues indexing through the 350s
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21:58<enilb>that alsa patches makes it so my rear speakers work
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21:59<enilb>too bad it causes the sound to cutout every few seconds
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22:14<dopez>ive something strange with manual recording, i start a manual record with all defaults, go and watch it with watch recording, got bored and wanted to delete it and go watch livetv, it said it was still recording, but doesnt show up in the list, i have to delete it from the database to stop the recording, ive checked this with 0.9 and latest cvs
22:16<dopez>(hope that made sense ;)
22:16<rcaskey>hmm, it only seems to have fetched a days worth of shows
22:29<bline>hrm, maybe I have a hardware problem
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22:56<Conaz>Any thoughts on why I might not be able to change from wsLeft to wsBegin for rewind in the tv_play.cpp. I successfully used wsEnd instead of wsRight for fast forward. I was also able to change rewind to J and also use J in the epg for going back a day.
22:56<Conaz>No worries if you don't have time, I suspect you are all working on fixing web stuff tonight
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23:06<WizFactor>Hey all...Is the myth website down? I haven't been able to get it to load for a few hours now. (or is it just my end?)
23:06<Conaz>Nope, there were problems earlier today
23:06<Conaz>Not sure what the scoop ended up being, but it must have been pretty harsh
23:07<Conaz>It must be going on 6 hours I suppose
23:09<just1nux>anyone have any ideas on what might cause both the master and slave versions of mythbackend to continue sucking up 60 or 70% cpu even when they are no longer recording? just had to kill the process on both machines. even after the master was gone, the slave just kept on going.
23:10<Conaz>can't say that I've yet setup multiple backend systems
23:10<PeteCool>just1nux: depending on how long the last recordings were finished, it might have been the commercial flagging thread doing that (if you have it enabled)
23:11<WizFactor>Thanks Conaz.
23:11<Conaz>WizFactor: Anytime
23:11<PeteCool>hmm, would LVM have a big effect on CPU usage for myth recordings? It'd let me double my recording capacity for free =)
23:12<just1nux>the recoding on the slave had been down for 45 minutes
23:12<Conaz>I take it LVM is a compression file system?
23:12<bma>doubt it, LVM is pretty sweet
23:12<WizFactor>PeteCool: It shoudln't...but I can tell you for sure in a few days.
23:12<bma>Conaz: no, LVM is a logical volume manager
23:12<WizFactor>Conaz: Nope. Kinda like raid. Multiple disks/partitions all as one disk
23:13<Conaz>Got ya, then you aren't really getting the additional space for free exactly
23:13<Conaz>Although I get what you mean, I also have some extra 20GB drives just collecting dust
23:14<Conaz>What we need is that huge ide drive array that was on /. awhile back, where they were using the huge array as an online backup solution
23:14<PeteCool>I'm using a 20 gig drive for myth, an a 20 gig for gentoo / ... would be more efficient to take a ~6 gigs drive from another system, and lvm the two 20 gigs
23:15<Conaz>Something close to a terrabyte using small old ide drives
23:15<PeteCool>Conaz: they weren't old drives though (or maybe it's not the same story we're talking about)
23:15<WizFactor>PeteCool: I would think so.
23:15<Conaz>Well, perhaps not old, but certainly cheap :)
23:16<Conaz>damn, forgot to press enter on 'make'
23:16<WizFactor>I just set up a fileserver with a 2 GB / and am putting a few larger drives in there using LVM, and then I"ll export that via NFS for my MythTV/Video storage
23:17<WizFactor>and that's also on a source distro
23:17<Conaz>I haven't yet figured out what to do for my final storage
23:18* bmais using LVM
23:18<bma> /dev/vg00/home 196G 121G 76G 62% /home
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23:19<just1nux>is LVM very difficut to setup/use?
23:19<Conaz>I'm gonna have to limp by on the spare 20GB and 40GB drives I have
23:20<bma>just1nux: not really, no
23:22<Conaz>I tell you I was lost tonight without a link to the searchable list archives, for some reason I never bookmarked it
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