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00:51<mdz_>there seems to be code in mythweb to display times in 12-hour format rather than 24-hour, but I don't see how to enable it
00:54<bline>couldn't be too complicated, it's only php ;)
01:40<hachi>okay, my box that was running mythtv will not boot on floppy, CD, or HD anymore... what the heck happened
01:41<bline>fried motherboard?
01:41<bigguy>something bad not myth related
01:43<hachi>I could tell you before diagnosing it this far it wasn't something myth related
01:45* bigguylags like mad
01:45<bigguy>lag 153
01:48<bigguy>serves me right trying to get 2 torrents over 56k I guess
01:50<hachi>bline: you going to yapc?
01:50<hachi>heck, anyone going to yapc?
01:51<bigguy>that the perl conference?
01:51<bigguy>in europe?
01:52<bline>hachi: probably not
01:52<hachi>nah, I'm talking about the one in NA
01:52* blineis depressed about missing perl whirl
01:52<hachi>you could afford that?
01:52<bline>no, that was the problem
01:53<bline>they raised the price this year, almost doubled it
01:53<bline>I went to the first two
01:53<hachi>I don't think I could afford it at half of the price, isn't it like 3 grand?
01:53<bline>depends on the cabin
01:54<hachi>'fiesta deck' would be fine with me, so long as I have power to my laptop.. and happier with 'net access
01:55* bigguyhas only done a few things with perl and has never been to any of the "OSS" type conferences/get togethers
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01:59<hachi>time to try and build a new one
02:00<hachi>all I can do is hope to god that this box is fast enough to push the real data across the network instead of to the local drive
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03:04<bline>what is up
03:05<bigguy>only a few programmers who can't sleep
03:06<bline>count me in
03:06<bline>hopefully this rum will help though
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10:26<Conaz_>heya extremis
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10:36<extremis>What DVB card should I buy?
10:36<extremis>I want to use it for the dish network in the US
10:36<extremis>and I want to decode HDTV signal
10:36<Conaz_>no clue here
10:37<extremis> has a few of them
10:37<Chutt>it won't work.
10:37<extremis>I thought DVB support was in?
10:37<rkulagow__>did you look at
10:38<Chutt>dvb doesn't work in the US
10:38<Chutt>except for a small amount of channels
10:38<extremis>Chutt: I read that it works on the dish network
10:43<extremis>hrm, thats not good
10:43<extremis>hrm, where did I read it could be done in the US?
10:54<extremis>hah, it is dvb here in the us
10:54<extremis>its just not officially supported by echostar/dish
10:55<Chutt>right, they won't authenticate the card
10:55<Chutt>so you won't get any channels.
10:56<extremis>there is software to make it work
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11:09<Chutt>mdz, looks like some of your scheduler changes didn't work so well =)
11:09<mdz>Chutt: how so?
11:09<Snow-Man>The broke my computer!@
11:09<Chutt>'parently, if you delete a show in progress, it just reschedules it
11:10<Chutt>or if you have a show from 9:00 - 9:30 and one from 9:00 to 10:00
11:10<mdz>I read about that partial recording thing
11:10<Chutt>and have selected the first to be recorded in preference to the second
11:10<Chutt>ah, ok
11:10<mdz>I don't see how I caused that
11:10<Chutt>i dunno
11:10<Chutt>didn't happen before
11:11<mdz>I haven't changed that stuff in months
11:11<mdz>the last change I made was the duplicate thing
11:11<Chutt>i know, but..
11:15<mdz>I don't see how it could _not_ do that before
11:15<mdz>oh, maybe
11:16<mdz>did it not trigger a scheduler recalc when a recording was deleted before?
11:16<mdz>nope it did not, or nope it always did?
11:16<Chutt>it did not
11:17<mdz>so that's probably it
11:18<mdz>if someone had, say, scheduled an unrelated recording while it was in that state, it would have started recording the partial program
11:19<mdz>that will be solved by per-program overrides
11:19<mdz>those decisions really need to be persistent
11:19<mdz>I think I like the idea of adding a column to program for it
11:20<Chutt>you'd need a bunch of different 'reschedule' calls, then
11:20<Chutt>well, one to tell it to ignore previous decisions
11:20<Chutt>one to tell it not to
11:21<mdz>the column would basically store the conflicting/recording/duplicate/etc. status
11:21<mdz>rather than recalculate it every time
11:22<mdz>initially, it would be some default value saying we hadn't looked at it yet
11:22<mdz>then record whatever decision the scheduler makes
11:23<mdz>doneRecording would write out the updated program row as well as add to oldrecorded
11:24<extremis>hrm, seems like I need softcam
11:29<Chutt>easiest way to fix the delete issue would be to also look at the chanid/starttime that's in the oldrecorded table
11:29<Chutt>unless, did you change it to not write that until it's done recording?
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11:41<mdz>to fix the problem where an interrupted or failed recording would cause it not to be recorded again
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11:49<Chutt>hey thor
11:49<thor>had to travel for a day or so, miss anything?
11:49<Chutt>nothin at all
11:49<thor>(I guess)
11:50<thor>anyone send you large quantities of money in the mail as a thank you
11:50<Chutt>only real reported bugs are mdz's fault =)
11:50<thor>I have some commits to make on stuff I've fixed, but won't be able to get to it until this evening
11:51<thor>been thinking a little more about frotn-back separation of music
11:52<thor>but I get confused every time I see you dropping hints that "new" frontend should be only one window
11:52<thor>do you have something specific in mind?
11:53<Chutt>whaddya mean?
11:53<thor>Am I imagining your "one window" hints?
11:54<Chutt>going to make all the dialog's just frames or vboxes or something
11:54<Chutt>then hide/show em as appropriate
11:54<thor>widgets hide() and show()?
11:54<thor>ah, yes
11:54<Chutt>shouldn't change anything but the creation/deletion code
11:55<Chutt>and have a widget stack somewhere in the context or whatnot
11:55<Chutt>or a special top level window widget
11:55<thor>this for speed?
11:55<Chutt>well, to fix the focus issues
11:55<thor>but what about a widget that "holds" lots of data, always in memory?
11:56<thor>all of them
11:56<thor>or dump and load the data on demand?
11:56<Chutt>to allow for easier insertion of outside commands
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11:57<Chutt>there's not really that much data, other than stuff like the background image
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11:57<thor>well, I'm thinking playlists (as usual)
11:58<Chutt>that's a top level window, though
11:58<Chutt>there's never anything below it
12:00<thor>ok .... am going to start looking at the core fron-back code to see you handle control data ... anything I should definitely watch out for ?
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12:03<Chutt>not that i know of
12:03<thor>ok ... thanks
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12:39<bLuETeK>is any1 alive?
12:48<bLuETeK>hi moe
12:48<bLuETeK>where are u from? Im from Spain Im trying to finish the install
12:50<bLuETeK>whats mythtv frontend and backend? what does it mean?
12:52<rkulagow__>backend does the encoding, frontend does the displaying. it's a client/server model so you can have multiple systems working together.
12:52<bLuETeK>I see
12:53<bLuETeK>and, is it a must to have mythtv working in a single computer?
12:53<rkulagow__>if you're using only one computer, then yes, it will run the backend and the frontend
12:54<bLuETeK>thank you
13:00<hachi>mdz++ # new mythtv box in under 2 hours last night
13:00<bLuETeK>I envy you :)
13:01<bLuETeK>im running mdk 9.1 and i still am searching packages
13:01<hachi>don't, my 60GB drive died... now my mythtv box is an 8.4 GB hard drive
13:01<bLuETeK>oh my god
13:01<bLuETeK>died at all?
13:02<hachi>just stopped booting... bios limps along but won't even boot off floppy with that drive in the computer
13:03<hachi>I /have/ to record the SG1 special on TV tonight :)
13:03<bLuETeK>when you did record what was the time/megs ratio?
13:04<bLuETeK>whats that?
13:04<rkulagow__>bluetek: do you mean mythtv RPM packages, or for the prerequisites?
13:04<hachi>scifi tv show, Stargate SG1
13:04<Conaz_>that is harsh, at least you got enough room for the 3 hours
13:04<hachi>bLuETeK: 1GB/hour with software mpeg4 codec
13:05<hachi>but I hadn't twiddled with it at all, so this could be bad
13:06<hachi>in any case, mdz's debian unstable packages are just wonderful to work with, now that the whiptail bug is gone
13:07<mdz>Chutt: clear out cvs.sql?
13:08<Chutt>you want to?
13:08<mdz>I'll do it, just asking for confirmation
13:08<mdz>seems like we should now that the release is out
13:09<Chutt>works for me
13:09<mdz>I'm going to start thinking about how to make overrides work
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13:52<xian_>hello everyone, is there something I must do to get the bttv module to load on my debian stable system with a haugepauge tv tuner?
13:52<xian_>so far it just errors out on the modprobe
14:01<xian_>it is a hauppage pvr was there ever a solution found to the dead pvr project on soureforge?
14:17<Drikus>the kfir one ?
14:19<Drikus>i heard they continued the development at
14:20<Chutt>it'll mostly work as a normal tuner card
14:21<Chutt>it won't work as a mpeg encoder
14:21<Chutt>so, it's pretty worthless
14:21<Chutt>especially as those are the same price as a pvr-350, and quite a bit more than a pvr-250
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14:28<extremis>werd, I just picked up a maxtor 200 gig for $139
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15:28<rkulagow>"has anyone gotten mythtv to work on debian?"
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15:44<someguy>hey all, so I have this hauppage pvr 250, got the drivers from ivtv and whatnot, recompiled the kernel and everything looks good except I am suppost to modprobe some i2c stuff (which I don't have) where in the kernel config can I tell it to comipile in the i2c stuff?
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15:48<Chutt>ask on the ivtv mailing list
15:48<someguy>this is just a kernel compile question nothing specific about ivtv
15:49<Chutt>it's entirely specific to ivtv
15:49<someguy>aww man
15:49<Chutt>ask on the ivtv list.
15:50<someguy>are you sure? my old stock debian 2.4.28 kernel had the i2c stuff
15:51<extremis>whats a good ir blaster to use?
15:51<someguy>doh .18 not 28
15:52<Chutt>i'm not doing random tech support because the ivtv docs are incomplete.
15:52<Chutt>so ask your questions about getting their driver working on the ivtv list.
15:52<Chutt>that's what it's there for.
15:54<someguy>well if you don't know... ;)
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16:02<someguy>anyone know if ivtv has an irc or any contact becides the mailling lists?
16:05<Drikus> /join ivtv-dev on freenode
16:05<Chutt>you're using someone's cvs code
16:05<Chutt>the very least you can do is join their mailing list so you can ask questions on it
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16:40<extremis>Does mythtv support UHF(rf) based remote control access to DishNetwork recievers? (like the 6000 hdtv reciever)
16:41<rkulagow__>if someone has created a UHF transmitter with linux support, then yes. otherwise, no.
16:44<extremis>there aren't any?
16:45<rkulagow__>i have no idea. did you google?
16:48<extremis>of course
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17:32<extremis>has anyone tried softcam with mythtv?
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17:49<someguy>hello all, I believe I have a working tv tuner (hauppage pvr 250) and mythtv installed, excpet when I click on watch tv it sits there and does nothing
17:49<someguy>any idea what I am doing wrong?
17:52<mdz>someguy: try the troubleshooting section of the HOWTO
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18:04<someperson>so I checked out the troubleshooting section on the website, but I don't see anything that applies
18:04<someperson>I hit the watch tv button on mythtv and it just sits there
18:04<Chutt>that's an excellent bug report
18:04<Chutt>you may want to try looking at the console output of both mythbackend and mythfrontend
18:05<Chutt>just a hint
18:06<someperson>where does the output go for both of them?
18:06<someperson>all I see is the backend
18:08<Chutt>perhaps the terminal you ran them from?
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18:13<someperson>so does mythtv freeze if it can not see an audio card?
18:15<Chutt>does it complain about that?
18:17<someperson>ouput of /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log "Cannot open DSP '/dev/dsp', dying."
18:17<someperson>Could not detect audio blocksize
18:17<Chutt>wow, i wonder what that means
18:18<yebyen>i bet it can't open /dev/dsp
18:18<Chutt>first of all, you need to read the section in the docs about the pvr-250
18:18<Chutt>since, well, you didn't, and you didn't set the card up properly in mythtv
18:19<yebyen>Chutt: do the PVR-250 and 350 cards work nicely?
18:19<Chutt>barring driver bugs, yeah
18:19<yebyen>the driver bugs make it suck?
18:19<Chutt>at times
18:19<Chutt>they tend to stop producing data randomly
18:19<Chutt>lock the machine up occasionally
18:20<yebyen>i'm debating what to do regarding an itx machine
18:20<Chutt>and there's an annoyingly high pitched machine
18:20<Chutt>don't buy a mini-itx.
18:20<Chutt>is what to do :p
18:20<yebyen>whether to go fanless and get a pvr-350
18:20<yebyen>or build a beefy backend box
18:21<Chutt>only one mini-itx board can playback decent sized video
18:21<Chutt>and that has a loud, annoying fan
18:21<yebyen>fuckit then
18:21<Chutt>the chip is _slow_.
18:25<PeteCool>I'd remove that heatsink+fan, and replace it with a big aluminum cooler, with sides cuts to not short anything on the board... some thermal epoxy and it'll be fine
18:25<PeteCool>still, those things are way too expensive
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18:47<bLuETeK>does any1 use a skystar2 ?
18:47<heystillme>so I am still having issues with the pvr 250 and mythtv, the sound actually. I think I have done everything the documention says but I still am getting the same error, anyone have any advise?
18:47<Chutt>you did not set the card up as a 'hardware mpeg encoder card' in setup
18:47<Chutt>which the docs explicitly say to do
18:49<heystillme>which docs?
18:49<heystillme>I still am not seeing it?
18:49<heystillme>errr it.
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18:53<heystillme>so when the docs say go into setup/setup are they refering to the mythtv-setup? in which case where is the card type setting?
18:53<Chutt>section 2
18:53<Chutt>'capture cards'
18:54<heystillme>I only have 5 options there none of which are card type
18:55<heystillme>is that wrong?
18:55<heystillme>this is the debian stable version of mythtv
18:55<bLuETeK>Im a newbie, i have a skystar2 card, can i use it with mythtv?
18:57<Chutt>you have to use 0.9 for the pvr cards to work.
18:58<bLuETeK>what do you mean with pvr card?
18:58<Chutt>i'm not talking to you.
18:58<bLuETeK>oh la la
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20:09<Chutt>moegreen, ya here?
20:38<shad>Chutt: It CVS stable to update to?
20:38<Chutt>just use the release.
20:39<shad>didn't realize that 0.9 was out until today
20:40<shad>Whatever I'm running is working fine :)
20:44<shad>Is there any problems moving from cvs back to debs?
20:45<Chutt>make sure you completely remove the cvs insatll
20:46<shad>the database too?
20:46<Chutt>no, the db can stay
20:46<shad>when I purge, it will nuke the database though, right?
20:47<Chutt>i don't know
20:47<shad>I should know this by now. I won't bug you. hehe
20:48<Morph>shad: a dpkg --purge?
20:49<shad>I'm dumb
20:49<shad>I don't have debs, so I can't purge a cvs install
20:49<Morph>make uninstall?
20:49<shad>I just worked 80 hours, can't think properly
20:50<shad>ranging from 12-16 hour days
20:50<shad>just enough time to drive 3/4 home and eat and sleep
20:51<shad>Time for coffee
20:52<shad>I think I'll wait till tomorrow to do an update :)
21:02<Chutt>breaking everything is fun
21:03<dopez>as long as its the software that breaks, hardware might not be much fun ;)
21:03<thor>if I turn something off and it works, what should I do ?
21:04<Chutt>that was a funny email
21:04<thor>I mean *come on* people
21:04<Chutt>thor, you ok with my commit earlier?
21:04<Chutt>i moved some of your code
21:05<thor>just looking through it now
21:05<thor>and trying to re-insert some un-commited stuff
21:05<Chutt>i also simplified all those get* functions
21:06<thor>hey, where's they go?
21:06<Chutt>to mythdialogs
21:06<thor>ah yes
21:07<thor>you did a lot of work here
21:07<Chutt>lotta cut'n'paste
21:08<yebyen>who hosts the mythtv debs
21:08<yebyen>is he in college, by any chance?
21:08<yebyen>at RIT?
21:08<mdz_>I was once
21:08<yebyen>mdz_: who hosts
21:08<mdz_>yebyen: CSH
21:09<yebyen>mdz_: i'm going to be living there in the fall :)
21:09<Chutt>yebyen, i told you my little brother's going there this fall too, right?
21:09<yebyen>Chutt: don't recall, cool
21:10<yebyen>Chutt: is he joining CSH?
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21:10<Chutt>i dunno
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21:11<Chutt>what's csh?
21:11<yebyen>Comp-Sci House
21:11<yebyen>from what i've seen, it's a frat :)
21:11<yebyen>but no greek letters, and lots of nerds
21:12<bline>revenge of the nerds!
21:12<yebyen>i've only seen 3 days worth of it though
21:12<yebyen>bline: yeah, no :)
21:12<yebyen>bline: these are the hax0r kind of nerd
21:13<yebyen>the kind you'd expect to be coding mythtv
21:13<thor>hmmm .... Chutt ... on the getUI stuff
21:14<thor>lost an outer loop ... which might be of use in themese where objects in different containers have the same name but do different things
21:14<Chutt>i did?
21:15<thor>not a problem if we say all themes must have elements with unique names across all containers
21:15<bline>she's not compil'n cap'n
21:15<Chutt>are you sure?
21:15<thor>but that was my intention
21:15<thor>hang on
21:15<thor>lemme check
21:16<Chutt>it looks the same to me
21:16* yebyenponders... 160gb drive for $99
21:16<yebyen>not even any rebate crap
21:18<thor>Chutt, I had a while over the iterator that checked for UIType by name
21:19<Chutt>that's in the getUIObject
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21:19<Chutt>instead of having that same loop in each of the get* functions, it's just in that one
21:20<thor>yes, but it will only return the first one
21:20<Chutt>i see
21:21<Chutt>nevermind that change, then =)
21:21<Chutt>i can revert it
21:21<Chutt>or you can
21:21<Chutt>doesn't matter to me
21:21<thor>let me do it
21:21<thor>I'm partially through some merging anyway
21:22<thor>hang on, this isn't building ...
21:23<thor>invalid use of undefined type `struct UIType'
21:23<thor>forward declaration of `struct UIType'
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21:33<thor>hmmm .... there it goes again
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21:35<bdavis>Hey all, I'm trying to start up mythfrontend, but it's complaining with "QSqlDatabase warning: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded"... I verified that I had compiled qt with mysql support.
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21:50<thor>Chutt, my gcc (3.2.2) and/or my Qt (3.1.2) do not like the foward declaration of LayerSet on line 20 of mythdialogs.h. Can't compile the moc output (moc_mythdialogs.cpp). Problem goes away if I add a #include uitypes.h to mythdialogs.h. Include in commit?
21:51<thor>bdavis, how many Qt's do you have on your system?
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21:59<Chutt>thor, yeah, i've already got that in my tree here
22:00<Chutt>so that's the correct fix =)
22:00<Chutt>so, i've got this completely broken right now
22:00<thor>other things broken?
22:01<Chutt>working on the one window stuff
22:01<Chutt>ie, make MythDialog just a frame
22:01<thor>hide and show
22:02<bdavis>thor: I'm pretty sure just one... I'm using Gentoo w/ gnome. but I have qt installed...
22:03<thor>bdavis, if just one, then either Qt-mysql is not installed, or it can't find it
22:03<bline>bdavis: I think there is a section on installing Qt on gentoo in the howto
22:04<thor>bdavis, updatedb ; locate libqt
22:05<bline>something like: USE="mysql" emerge qt
22:06<bdavis>yeah, I thought I had mysql in my use flags when I emerged qt, but I'm emerging it again just in case...
22:06<bline>sounds like a plan
22:07<bdavis>Do you think mythfrontend could play TV from mythbackend over an 802.11b connection?
22:08<thor>can do
22:09<thor>but imperfect results at full resolution
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22:10<bdavis>what do you mean by "imperfect"?? just bad quality or frame skipping?
22:12<thor>I've only tried it on Crusoe laptop, and it was pretty awful. Have heard from others that it worked but was jerky. Your mileage may vary.
22:12<thor>Would be nice on a tablet with 802.11g though =)
22:13<bdavis>I was about to say...
22:13<bdavis>802.11g would be nice :)
22:13<bdavis>any idea what minimum bandwidth is required?
22:16<thor>I dunno ... don't work on the video stuff (too complicated) .... 18 bits of colour data x 640 x 240 x 30 (30 fps, interlaced) .... don't have a calculator
22:20<Chutt>keep losing the keypresses somewhere
22:21<thor>QAccel's or KeyEvent's (or both)
22:21<Chutt>should be just keyevents
22:21<thor>Qt widgets or "myth widgets"
22:21<thor>or both
22:22<Chutt>both, here
22:22<Chutt>epg -> infodialog
22:22<Chutt>ah, hmm
22:22<Chutt>maybe that's it
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22:39<Chutt>ah, there we go
22:42<thor>found d'em keypresses
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22:44<bdavis>18 bits x 640 x 240 x 30fps = 83 Mbits/sec ??
22:44<thor>give or take a factor of 100 =) I have no idea what I'm talking about on video stuff
22:45<bdavis>heh.. it sure would be interesting to know.
22:45<dopez>hm, it looks like the 'dropped frames' i had were because X ran at nice -10, either that or im too tired to see dropped frames :)
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23:04<Chutt>some dumbass has his mailer set to bounce messages to the Reply-to, instead of the Errors-to or Sender header
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23:08<Chutt>guide grid, info dialog, and program finder work =)
23:09<thor>any performance difference (either way) ?
23:09<Chutt>i'm not really noticing any
23:09<Chutt>might be ever so slightly faster
23:10<thor>I fail to understand people who still want the old MythVideo back?
23:10<Chutt>it still needs the ability to associate random programs with things
23:10<Chutt>then it'll be just like the old one, but with the updated interface
23:11<thor>moegreen talked about having a check box in the manager to select whether a video is browsable
23:11<thor>add the ability to theme the listings to show only the tree
23:12<thor>and they could go back to old-style, I guess
23:12<thor>I see what you're saying
23:13<thor>needs a "properties" dialog with "use this for all similar files" kinda thing
23:15<thor>well there's a nice little project for tomorrow morning ... btw any recent moegreen sightings?
23:16<Chutt>earlier today
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23:17<thor>you're not about to do a big libmyth commit or anything are you?
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23:44<Chutt>thor, are _you_ about to do a big libmyth commit?
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23:46<thor>Chutt, not huge .. but a few things
23:46<thor>bit ofbug swatting