| 00:04 | <thor_> | think I'm getting a wee bit tired when I type $> bt mythfrontend |
| 00:05 | <thor_> | time for bed |
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| 00:11 | <Snow-Man> | Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. |
| 00:11 | <Snow-Man> | ===# ps auwx | grep sendmail | wc -l |
| 00:11 | <Snow-Man> | 46 |
| 00:11 | <Snow-Man> | *There* we go. |
| 00:12 | <Snow-Man> | Alright ladies, hopefully your whineing about the 5 minute lag will be satisfied now. |
| 00:13 | <Snow-Man> | Enjoy. Bedtime for me. |
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| 00:14 | <thor_> | thanks |
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| 00:56 | <extremis> | Is anyone using a geforce4 card with svideo out? |
| 00:57 | <Timon> | Not yet, do have a 440mx card that I plan on using svid out on |
| 01:17 | <extremis> | ok, using the geforce4 over the 3 works for XFree86 |
| 01:17 | <extremis> | but, console mode is all fucked |
| 01:17 | <extremis> | I can't get intot he bios when using svidio because its so hard to see |
| 01:17 | <extremis> | the vertical refresh seems off |
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| 01:36 | <Timon> | check out yanc |
| 01:36 | <Timon> | yanc.sourceforge.net |
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| 02:16 | <Chutt> | hrmph |
| 02:16 | <Chutt> | wish i could reproduce thor's segfault |
| 02:16 | <Chutt> | doesn't happen on any of my machines :( |
| 02:18 | <bline> | Chutt: you going to setup that anoncvs stuff soon? |
| 02:19 | <bline> | just curious |
| 02:20 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 02:21 | <Chutt> | sorry, got distracted |
| 02:21 | <bline> | no rush, I was just curious |
| 02:21 | <Chutt> | trust me, i want to =) |
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| 02:30 | <Scrye> | Chutt : I was told to report to you this: |
| 02:30 | <Scrye> | when compiling all my mythtv modules (weather,music,etc..) I have to add -lXinerama to my Makefile |
| 02:30 | <Chutt> | not an issue with cvs anymore |
| 02:30 | <Scrye> | kthxbai |
| 02:31 | <Chutt> | wow, you're l33t |
| 02:31 | <Scrye> | Yeah, i am. |
| 02:31 | <Scrye> | bline made me say that. |
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| 02:31 | * bline | does not know this Scrye person |
| 02:32 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 02:32 | <Chutt> | i see |
| 02:33 | <Scrye> | im kidding |
| 02:37 | <mechou> | help load |
| 02:37 | <Scrye> | heh i just found my name in the libcdaudio source |
| 02:37 | <Scrye> | small world |
| 02:37 | <Scrye> | buddy of mine wrote it |
| 02:38 | <Chutt> | the original author, or the guy that took it over? |
| 02:38 | <Scrye> | The original |
| 02:38 | <Scrye> | Tony arcereri |
| 02:38 | <Chutt> | ah, so not the dumbass |
| 02:38 | <Scrye> | no, hes a dumbass too |
| 02:38 | <Scrye> | just a damned good programmer heh |
| 02:39 | <Chutt> | the guy that took it over added a serious bug to it, then didn't bother fixing it for about a year |
| 02:39 | <Chutt> | ie, dumbass =) |
| 02:39 | <Scrye> | yeah bascule (his irc nick) likes to bitch about him every once in a while |
| 02:39 | <Chutt> | i'm only using it in mythmusic because there really aren't any other decent freedb lookup libs |
| 02:40 | <Scrye> | wasn't there supposed to be an alternative to cddb? |
| 02:40 | <Chutt> | there's musicbrainz |
| 02:40 | <Chutt> | but the library's big and bloated |
| 02:40 | <Scrye> | mui bueno |
| 02:44 | <Scrye> | anyway, good program |
| 02:45 | <Scrye> | just set it up tonight with not that many problems |
| 02:45 | <Scrye> | in slackware |
| 02:46 | <Chutt> | thanks |
| 02:46 | <Scrye> | Dual 450, 384mb ram, avermedia |
| 02:46 | <Chutt> | so really underpowered? =) |
| 02:46 | <Scrye> | meh it does its job so far |
| 02:46 | <Scrye> | im not an audiophile |
| 02:47 | <Scrye> | or videophile |
| 02:47 | <Scrye> | I just dont wanna miss startrek when my girlfriend wants to watch tv |
| 02:47 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 02:48 | <Scrye> | plus ive put this together on free hardware |
| 02:48 | <Chutt> | always a plus |
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| 02:48 | <Scrye> | is there a dvd module under development? |
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| 02:49 | <Chutt> | possibly |
| 02:49 | <Chutt> | it's rather easy to add a dvd button to the main menu yourself, though |
| 02:50 | <Chutt> | just make it exec whatever |
| 02:50 | <Scrye> | Yeah |
| 02:50 | <Scrye> | I have a hardware dvd decoder (creative Dxr2) and you gotta use thier own silly player |
| 02:50 | <Scrye> | anyway, was nice meeting you |
| 02:51 | <Scrye> | i'll see you again sometime |
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| 04:03 | * bline | discovers xine |
| 04:17 | <ahbritto> | bline: make sure you emerge xine-ui - more stable than gxine. |
| 04:17 | <bline> | gxine did suck, yeah I'm using xine. |
| 04:18 | <ahbritto> | also, use the unstable libs they are much better. |
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| 07:28 | <Snow-Man> | How's the mailing lists? |
| 07:33 | <bline> | how should they be? :) |
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| 08:16 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: seems the x/y displacement for the Myth window doesn't always get applied correctly... |
| 08:16 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: but, when it's wrong, I only have to go to the appearance menu, go through all pages without changing anything, and then it's alright |
| 08:44 | <Snow-Man> | The lists should be bloody awesome now. :) |
| 08:44 | <Conaz_> | In what way? |
| 08:46 | <Snow-Man> | In the much faster to respond way. |
| 08:47 | <Snow-Man> | Of course, if you mailserver fucking sucks ass like the wasteland.org one does, you won't notice. |
| 08:48 | <Snow-Man> | +r |
| 08:48 | <Conaz_> | :) |
| 08:49 | <Conaz_> | Now if only I could just read them all faster |
| 08:50 | <Snow-Man> | haha |
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| 09:21 | <Conaz_> | Snow-Man: much faster, thanks |
| 09:23 | <Snow-Man> | No prob. |
| 09:35 | <rkulagow> | chutt: just to let you know, the segfault on delete popup that me and bruce reported did go away after that CVS commit you made. |
| 09:42 | <rkulagow__> | so thanks for that. |
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| 09:54 | <Chutt> | thanks for the verification |
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| 10:14 | <rkulagow__> | mdz, are you here? |
| 10:18 | rkulagow | rkulagow__ Jun 17 10:19:00 <mdz> rkulagow__: I am now |
| 10:19 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: did you ever see what I was talking about? |
| 10:20 | <rkulagow__> | mdz: do the debian debs take care of all the path and ldconfig stuff? i'm assuming yes, and i'm reorg'ing the docs so users with pre-compiled packages can skip some stuff. |
| 10:20 | <Chutt> | petecool, i really didn't test it that much |
| 10:20 | rkulagow | rkulagow__ Jun 17 10:20:46 <mdz> rkulagow__: yep |
| 10:21 | <mdz> | the only manual step is to run mythtv-setup on the backend |
| 10:21 | <rkulagow__> | mdz: cool. so after installing the debs, the next step is the mysql database stuff, or is that done too? |
| 10:21 | rkulagow | rkulagow__ Jun 17 10:21:28 <mdz> rkulagow__: that is done too; the only manual step is running setup |
| 10:22 | <rkulagow__> | mdz: ok. i'm going to avoid package-specific instructions (maintainers job =) ) but i'm just trying to figure the jump to point, if any. |
| 10:23 | rkulagow | rkulagow__ Jun 17 10:23:29 rkulagow rkulagow__ Jun 17 10:24:09 -!- Viddy [] has quit [Ping timeout: 14400 seconds] |
| 10:24 | <mdz> | rkulagow__: there is one other non-obvious thing; the user must have mysql up and running for the database configuration to succeed, and the default (for some dumb reason) is for mysqld not to start up when it is first installed |
| 10:24 | rkulagow | rkulagow__ Jun 17 10:24:35 <mdz> rkulagow__: if you look at the instructions on my web page, there is an installation sequence which ensures that is handled correctly |
| 10:24 | rkulagow | rkulagow__ Jun 17 10:24:38 <bigguy> heh |
| 10:24 | <bigguy> | silly haters |
| 10:24 | <bigguy> | [09:20] <KainX> It's C++, which no sane person gives a shit about. So.... :) |
| 10:25 | <rkulagow__> | freevo irc? |
| 10:25 | <mdz> | rkulagow__: also, please direct the user to /usr/share/doc/<package>/README.Debian, which is where any package-specific instructions will go |
| 10:25 | rkulagow | rkulagow__ Jun 17 10:25:29 <mdz> rkulagow__: I include a copy of the howto from the release tarball in the mythtv-doc package |
| 10:25 | <bigguy> | rkulagow__: was that directed at me? |
| 10:27 | <rkulagow__> | bigguy: i suppose. who else would hate mythtv so much? (unless it's ABC/NBC/CBS/FOX irc) |
| 10:27 | <rkulagow__> | mdz: ok |
| 10:27 | <bigguy> | rkulagow__: then no. It was a general c++ haters statement for the c++ haters channel eg #e |
| 10:27 | <Chutt> | no, kainx is someone else :p |
| 10:27 | <rkulagow__> | ok, i'll shutup and go back to docs now. |
| 10:28 | <thor_> | We should really rewrite myth for a J2EE app server |
| 10:28 | <thor_> | that would show 'em |
| 10:29 | <Snow-Man> | Alright, let's see what that does to the mailing list. |
| 10:29 | <bigguy> | I think it's just the fact that they taught themselves c back when they were in high school and can't be bothered to try and figure out any other language |
| 10:32 | <Chutt> | thor, hey, with current cvs mythmusic, can you let me know what it prints out on the console before it dies? |
| 10:32 | <Chutt> | and if it's still dying inside of sdl |
| 10:32 | <Conaz> | Object classes frighten and confuse them :) |
| 10:32 | <thor_> | gimme 5 minutes ("work" work) |
| 10:33 | <bigguy> | Teh C++ Htaers Handboko by KainX and Raster (Spelling done by raster) |
| 10:48 | <thor_> | Chutt, 0\n 1\n (some of my SDL debugging)\n Seg Fault |
| 10:48 | <Chutt> | blah |
| 10:48 | <Chutt> | the 1 means that the window _is_ visible |
| 10:49 | <thor_> | it's dying in select_goom_filter() now |
| 10:49 | <Chutt> | oh? |
| 10:49 | <Chutt> | so it's getting past that |
| 10:49 | <Chutt> | synaesthesia should run, then |
| 10:49 | <thor_> | hang on |
| 10:50 | <Chutt> | could i eventually get a bt full of the select_goom_filter() crash? |
| 10:50 | <thor_> | learning to spell Synae... |
| 10:50 | <Chutt> | hehe =) |
| 10:51 | <thor_> | Yup Sinusthisier works fine |
| 10:51 | <Chutt> | well |
| 10:51 | <thor_> | lemme to back to goom and get you a bt |
| 10:52 | <Chutt> | i guess reordering some of the init code worked, then |
| 10:52 | <Chutt> | at least wrt the sdl crap |
| 10:52 | <thor_> | yup, well done |
| 10:53 | <thor_> | you want bt full I assume |
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| 10:53 | <Chutt> | yup yup |
| 10:53 | <Chutt> | and the bit where it says SEGV or whatnot before the prompt =) |
| 10:53 | <Chutt> | if it's not too much trouble |
| 10:56 | <thor_> | http://www.sigvaldason.com/mmcrash3.txt |
| 10:57 | <thor_> | gdb's still active if you need anything |
| 10:58 | <Chutt> | can you comment out the whole if (zoom_filter_xmmx_supported()) clause? |
| 10:59 | <Chutt> | leaving the if (zoom_filter_mmx_supported()) |
| 11:01 | <thor_> | sorry .. comment out or leave ?? |
| 11:01 | <Chutt> | comment out the xmmx stuff, leave the mmx stuff |
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| 11:01 | <thor_> | ok |
| 11:04 | <thor_> | same effect |
| 11:04 | <Chutt> | hrmph |
| 11:04 | <Chutt> | can you comment out the rest of it? |
| 11:04 | <thor_> | 'cept is says zf_use_mmx = 1; |
| 11:04 | <thor_> | ok |
| 11:05 | <thor_> | if firsttime = 0 , firsttime =1 is all that's left |
| 11:05 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 11:06 | <thor_> | works |
| 11:06 | <Chutt> | but slow |
| 11:06 | <Chutt> | i imagine |
| 11:06 | <thor_> | full screen is awfu; |
| 11:06 | <thor_> | awful |
| 11:07 | <thor_> | preview is bearable |
| 11:07 | <Chutt> | ok |
| 11:07 | <Chutt> | lemme try something |
| 11:07 | <thor_> | me got'em AMD ? that part of the problem? |
| 11:07 | <Snow-Man> | I'm upgrading the web server. |
| 11:08 | <Snow-Man> | Hope nothin breaks. |
| 11:08 | <Chutt> | i've got an amd |
| 11:08 | <Chutt> | and am using the xmmx stuff |
| 11:08 | <Chutt> | so, i dunno |
| 11:11 | <Snow-Man> | Site list for mailman (usually named mailman) missing |
| 11:11 | <Snow-Man> | Please create it; until then, mailman will refuse to start |
| 11:11 | <Snow-Man> | erm. |
| 11:25 | <Chutt> | what's that from? |
| 11:28 | <Snow-Man> | mailman. |
| 11:28 | <Snow-Man> | Well, the upgrade of it. |
| 11:28 | <Chutt> | wow, really? :p |
| 11:29 | <Snow-Man> | Ask a stupid question .. |
| 11:29 | <Chutt> | sorry, i meant 'why' |
| 11:29 | <Chutt> | not what |
| 11:30 | <Snow-Man> | The only comment I've found so far is the debconf notice, which I didn't see, about it being needed for 'password mailings' and shit. |
| 11:30 | <Snow-Man> | Which doesn't make a god damn bit of sense, of course. |
| 11:37 | <Chutt> | thor, ok, i've got stuff in CVS now |
| 11:38 | <Chutt> | change the way it tests for mmx crap |
| 11:38 | <Chutt> | changed, rather |
| 11:38 | <Chutt> | i dunoo |
| 11:38 | <Chutt> | maybe this'll work :( |
| 11:39 | <thor_> | updating ... |
| 11:39 | <rkulagow__> | anyone running Red Hat here? got a question on menu structure for RH. PM me please. |
| 11:40 | <thor_> | hmm, that seems to work |
| 11:40 | <Chutt> | it does? |
| 11:40 | <thor_> | yup |
| 11:40 | <thor_> | hang on, let me stress it |
| 11:40 | <Chutt> | fast enough? |
| 11:41 | <thor_> | I think it's as fast as it ever was |
| 11:41 | <thor_> | hard to say |
| 11:42 | <Chutt> | still damn slow =) |
| 11:42 | <Chutt> | i replaced it's mmx crap with libavcodec's |
| 11:42 | <thor_> | it's fine |
| 11:42 | <thor_> | (cycling in out, resizing) |
| 11:42 | <Chutt> | excellent |
| 11:43 | <thor_> | I get 1 1 on the console now |
| 11:43 | <thor_> | instead of 0 1 |
| 11:43 | <Chutt> | 1 1 or 0 1 doesn't matter, really |
| 11:43 | <Chutt> | 'slong as the second one is a 1 |
| 11:43 | <Chutt> | i just removed that cout from cvs, though |
| 11:44 | <Chutt> | anyway, looks like the sdl issue was the window not being on screen yet |
| 11:44 | <thor_> | ah |
| 11:44 | <Chutt> | and the goom death was the mmx stuff didn't like being in a shared library |
| 11:44 | <thor_> | well ... don't pretend to understand what you did. I supposed I can de-hack my SDL now? |
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| 11:45 | <Chutt> | yeah |
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| 11:45 | <Chutt> | should be fine to do now |
| 11:45 | <thor_> | excellent |
| 11:45 | <Chutt> | thanks for testing and doing all that |
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| 11:45 | <Chutt> | sorry i broke it in the first place =) |
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| 11:45 | <thor_> | I mess with it some more, seems solid though |
| 11:45 | <thor_> | although I do think it's a tad slower |
| 11:46 | <thor_> | let me try the one that never worked ... starting out in Mode (rather than "Blank") |
| 11:47 | <Chutt> | i think starting off in blank is the best thing to do |
| 11:47 | <thor_> | ok |
| 11:47 | <Chutt> | you're not guaranteed that the widget is visible yet |
| 11:47 | <Chutt> | at least at that point in time |
| 11:47 | <thor_> | still in the constructor |
| 11:48 | <thor_> | works though |
| 11:48 | <thor_> | (at least once =) |
| 11:48 | <Chutt> | i changed the video list stuff around a tiny bit last night |
| 11:48 | <thor_> | not very robust though |
| 11:49 | <Chutt> | added another top level node, so you could browse back to your starting point |
| 11:49 | <thor_> | qey? |
| 11:49 | <Chutt> | would it be possible to sort the tree so directories are on top, and maybe a different color? |
| 11:49 | <thor_> | oh yeah, no problem |
| 11:50 | <Chutt> | well, it was kind of weird, it started out with <video root> on the left, and a list on the right |
| 11:50 | <Chutt> | then if you went into a subdir, you'd have that list on the left |
| 11:50 | <Chutt> | and you couldn't ever get that list back on the right |
| 11:50 | <thor_> | ah ah, I see |
| 11:50 | <thor_> | only go up if your parent has a parent |
| 11:50 | <Chutt> | right |
| 11:50 | <Chutt> | since the music stuff has an invisible top level node, apparently? |
| 11:51 | <thor_> | yup |
| 11:51 | <thor_> | lemme see what you did, and I'll do some colour coding |
| 11:51 | <thor_> | and dir/file sorting |
| 11:51 | <Chutt> | excellent, thanks =) |
| 11:52 | <thor_> | btw, you do know that the theme designer can specify only 1 "bin", or 10 |
| 11:53 | <thor_> | I'm awfully proud of that |
| 11:53 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 11:53 | <Chutt> | cool. |
| 11:54 | <thor_> | had program finder in the back of my mind |
| 11:54 | <Chutt> | cool |
| 11:54 | <Chutt> | i'd like to eventually get mythgame using a similar interface |
| 11:54 | <thor_> | yup |
| 11:54 | <thor_> | mythvideo needs lots of polish |
| 11:54 | <thor_> | mythDVD needs a way for transcode to be a library |
| 11:54 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 11:54 | <thor_> | ho hum |
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| 11:55 | <Chutt> | is that going to be in mythvideo, or separate? |
| 11:55 | <Chutt> | snowman, is the list ok? |
| 11:55 | <thor_> | I though it would be separate, but rip final product to video tree |
| 11:55 | <Chutt> | i haven't gotten anything in a while |
| 11:55 | <Chutt> | including a couple commit messages from a while ago |
| 12:00 | <Chutt> | i need to catch up on my inbox |
| 12:00 | <Snow-Man> | It should be working now.. |
| 12:01 | <Snow-Man> | I had it stopped for a bit. |
| 12:01 | <Chutt> | ah, ok |
| 12:07 | <extremis> | does anyone here use a geforce4 440 |
| 12:08 | <rkulagow__> | chutt: whatever change you made to mythmusic got rid of my Mandrake gcc 3.3 / goom compile issue |
| 12:08 | <rkulagow__> | (but does it run? that's the next question...) |
| 12:08 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 12:08 | <Chutt> | excellent |
| 12:09 | <Snow-Man> | Chutt: You getting mail yet? |
| 12:09 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 12:09 | <Chutt> | just got 4 |
| 12:09 | <Chutt> | thanks =) |
| 12:13 | <Chutt> | hrm |
| 12:13 | <Chutt> | how to respond to snapstream |
| 12:14 | <rkulagow__> | meaning a feature, or an email you got? |
| 12:14 | <Chutt> | they essentially offered me a job |
| 12:14 | <Chutt> | but that's not going to happen |
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| 12:22 | <nooloo> | hello |
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| 12:29 | <JAC> | Hi all... never used IRC before, so please don't mind if I lurk a bit... |
| 12:32 | <thor_> | Chutt, they want your brain, or Myth Code ? |
| 12:32 | <Snow-Man> | Lemme know if the mailing list starts getting slow again. |
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| 12:38 | <Chutt> | jac, howdy |
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| 12:42 | <mechou> | anyone else have difficulty reaching mythtv thread archives @ snowman.net right now? Super slow and unreliable for me... |
| 12:42 | <Snow-Man> | haha |
| 12:43 | <Chutt> | use the archives linked to from the website, instead |
| 12:43 | <Chutt> | they're better than the pipermail crap |
| 12:43 | <Snow-Man> | :P |
| 12:43 | <Snow-Man> | mechou: You can blame the mailing list for that, if the web is slow then it's because there's alot of mailing list traffic. :) |
| 12:44 | <JAC> | howdy, chutt... sorry for the delay... window was obscured :-) |
| 12:44 | <Chutt> | np |
| 12:44 | <Chutt> | i'm isaac, btw |
| 12:45 | <JAC> | Oh... good to know! |
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| 12:45 | <rkulagow__> | thor is thor, mdz is mdz and i'm rkulagow. there, introductions all around! |
| 12:45 | <rkulagow__> | =) |
| 12:45 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 12:45 | <Snow-Man> | I'm the BOFH. |
| 12:46 | <rkulagow__> | i'll let the other real life != irc nick people reveal themselves if they want to. |
| 12:46 | <Snow-Man> | Your mailing list and web server admin. :) |
| 12:46 | <Snow-Man> | Who just traffic shape'd the mailing list and web traffic into nonexistance. |
| 12:46 | <JAC> | I gathered that from your nick... keep up the good work! |
| 12:46 | <Snow-Man> | hehe. :) |
| 12:47 | <Snow-Man> | mechou: It should be getting better actually. |
| 12:47 | <nooloo> | hello from another newbie as well |
| 12:47 | <Snow-Man> | I told it to prioritize the web traffic over the mailing list traffic. |
| 12:47 | <Snow-Man> | Hopefully that'll help some. |
| 12:48 | <Snow-Man> | I can't have my ssh/irc sessions being lagged though! |
| 12:48 | <mechou> | OK, thanks. I'm just a random mythtv user ;-) |
| 12:54 | <rkulagow__> | chutt: the MMX change allowed the mythmusic compile to go through. i'm ripping a CD now, and when that's done i'll see if i can get the visualizations to work as soon as i figure out what this XFree86-DRI crap is about. i did see gears in the visualization box before exiting out to start ripping "pure disco" |
| 12:54 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 12:54 | <Chutt> | well, it'd only affect goom, i think |
| 12:55 | <rkulagow__> | maybe the goom people will take your modification and include it in their code. (but they're french, so they're probably all taking their month-long vacations now) |
| 12:55 | <Chutt> | goom's essentially a dead project |
| 12:56 | <Chutt> | from what i can tell |
| 12:56 | <rkulagow__> | ah well, glad you got it working so my 6-mo old daughter can start trippin' again. |
| 12:56 | <Chutt> | heh =) |
| 12:57 | <rkulagow__> | it's like that ST:TNG episode where they're going to kill all the borg with that visual paradox or something and J-LP doesn't for some stupid moral reason. |
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| 13:13 | <just1nux> | Anybody have any idea why mysql might be using up 60% of cpu on queries to mythconverg? Causes a hicup in playback whenever a recording starts or stop and even when accessing the listings through mythweb. |
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| 13:20 | <rkulagow__> | thor: you're really trying to make me change my remote control action button from "Return" to "Space", aren't you? |
| 13:23 | <Chutt> | what's not using return? |
| 13:23 | <Chutt> | there's the select music section.. |
| 13:23 | <rkulagow__> | chutt: we had this problem with the EPG, where space and return were accounted for, but not KP_Enter (or some variation of this, i forget). in mythmusic, in the "select music", i cursor down to select "various artists", but it won't checkbox until i use space instead of enter. |
| 13:23 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 13:23 | <Chutt> | that's the qt widget though |
| 13:23 | <Chutt> | slightly harder to fix =) |
| 13:24 | <rkulagow__> | have you thought of making a command decision and removing some of the possibilities and just saying, "module maintainers, action button is going to be space" or something like that? |
| 13:26 | <Chutt> | just hesitant to do so |
| 13:27 | <JAC> | Don't know if this has ever been brought up, but in the config wizards Space/Enter *only* activates the default Next/Finish button, while RArrow 'selects/activates' a widget. Any plans to make this consistent with the rest of Myth? |
| 13:28 | <JAC> | Or is this also QT-behavior? |
| 13:29 | <Chutt> | space/enter should activate check boxes in there |
| 13:32 | <JAC> | nope... Space/Enter works for the Next/Cancel/Back/Finish (footer) buttons, but not the settings checkboxes or lists |
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| 13:34 | <thor_> | rkulagow, for someone with an infant daughter, I will see what I can do |
| 13:35 | <thor_> | oh that Tyler Drake post is a riot |
| 13:35 | <thor_> | he can't be serious? |
| 13:35 | <jhurliman> | about the radio module? |
| 13:36 | <thor_> | I'm sorry, I can't respond unless you say: MYTHTV: about the radio module? |
| 13:36 | <JAC> | No, about putting [mythtv] in your subject line |
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| 13:39 | <jhurliman> | :-\ i thought we had a mailing list to do that for us |
| 13:40 | <thor_> | Look, I told you, I'm not going to respond unless you say MYTHTV: :-\ i thought we had a mailing list to do that for us |
| 13:41 | <jhurliman> | MYTHTV: ok good sir ;) |
| 13:41 | <thor_> | MYTHTV: that includes *everyone* |
| 13:41 | <jhurliman> | OFF-TOPIC: this channel is no fun anymore :( |
| 13:42 | <thor_> | oddly reminiscent of, "I told, I'm not allowed to argue unless you've payed" |
| 13:43 | <rkulagow__> | thor: thanks. |
| 13:43 | <thor_> | juggling, baby, searching for soothing music, remote not working propely, daughter getting restless ... been there |
| 13:45 | <JAC> | hear, hear! |
| 13:45 | <rkulagow__> | you should see the terrible things i'm going to playbackbox.cpp so that it will tell me what visualizer is being shown in the info box! |
| 13:45 | <JAC> | I mean OFF-TOPIC hear, hear :-) |
| 13:45 | <jhurliman> | does anyone know where the mythtv-cvs ebuilds can be found |
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| 13:46 | <rkulagow__> | you should see the terrible things i'm doing to playbackbox.cpp so it will tell me what visualizer is playing in the info box! |
| 13:46 | <thor_> | why are you doing these terrible things? |
| 13:47 | <jhurliman> | rkugalow__: i have a module that takes the cake for worst hack of mythmusic ever. i ripped out the file treeview and transplanted it. didnt work the first time so i kept adding cruft until it starting working |
| 13:47 | <rkulagow__> | maybe by seeing the word synaesthesia printed on the screen a lot will make be speel it better? |
| 13:47 | <thor_> | uhm ... setting showWholeTree off was not sufficient for your purposes? |
| 13:48 | <rkulagow__> | i like how the info box shows a mini version of the visualizer, but i still don't know if i know which names translate to which visualization. except gears, of course. |
| 13:49 | <jhurliman> | thor_: no no, i meant i copied the code for the treeview into a new (mythtransfer) module i wrote |
| 13:49 | <thor_> | ahhhhh' |
| 13:50 | <jhurliman> | its a fun little device, probes all the scsi devices (cd-roms, removable usb and firewire drives, etc) and lets you copy files to and from them and the mythtv storage dir |
| 13:51 | <jhurliman> | i dont think it will ever be useful to anyone else though, requires sg_utils, devfs, and everything is hardcoded throughout |
| 13:52 | <thor_> | jhurliman, there are times when many dialogues could use a "file browser" if you want to clean it up |
| 13:52 | <JAC> | Hey thor, I was thinking about a possible patch to playbackbox.cpp... basically, wrapping all accesses to theme-ui elements in 'if' checks, so that you could leave elements out of a theme entirely if you wanted to... what are your thoughts? |
| 13:52 | <thor_> | JAC, yup |
| 13:52 | <thor_> | cvs does that for one of them |
| 13:52 | <jhurliman> | thor_: now that would actually be useful, i'll look into it |
| 13:52 | <thor_> | they should all (most?) be like that |
| 13:54 | <JAC> | thor_: was this part of the last day's commits? I have a grab from yesterday in which it still does an "exit (0)" if it can't find most UI elements |
| 13:59 | <Chutt> | hi, i am very experienced in unix |
| 14:04 | <Snow-Man> | haha. |
| 14:07 | <thor_> | JAC, last day or so ... just for volume control display (at the bottom in wireUPTheme()) |
| 14:07 | <mechou> | anyone here using alsa9.4 w/ mythtv? |
| 14:08 | <JAC> | thor_: Oh, okay... well, you'll probably get to the rest of them before I do... I don't really have a box to do much coding on at the moment. |
| 14:10 | <jhurliman> | mechou: yes |
| 14:12 | <jhurliman> | mechou: i was using 0.9.4 for a while, just recently moved to the CVS version to get SPDIF support for my nForce |
| 14:12 | <mechou> | jhurliman:I compiled it (with the snd-inte8x0) and now my mythtv box has real trouble recording, lots of dropped frames...Any special copiler or library switches? |
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| 14:13 | <jhurliman> | mechou: uh oh, i haven't tried recording yet with the new snd-intel8x0. i'll test it out when i get home tonight |
| 14:14 | <JAC> | oops, killed my client! |
| 14:15 | <jhurliman> | mechou: you weren't having those problems with earlier alsa versions? have you tried downgrading or switching to an OSS driver to confirm it's alsas fault? |
| 14:17 | <jkolb> | mechou: I suppose you don't have a PVR-250. |
| 14:17 | <mechou> | jh: yeah, I used OSS and alsa9.0rc8 stock w/ MDK9.1. OSS worked fine. 9.0rc8 I only had left channel volume (Yes, I'm using latest mythtv CVS) |
| 14:18 | <jkolb> | Because I'm using 0.9.4 intel8x0 and it's working fine during playback. |
| 14:19 | <mechou> | jkolb: nah, I use Hauppauge dbx 401 |
| 14:20 | <jhurliman> | with all these people running the intel8x0, I don't suppose anyone has gotten S/PDIF output working with it? |
| 14:20 | <jkolb> | Haven't even tried. I need to buy speakers first. |
| 14:21 | <mechou> | Same here. What's the problem with SPDIF out? |
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| 14:21 | <Chutt> | moegreen, hey there |
| 14:21 | <moegreen> | Chutt |
| 14:21 | <moegreen> | what's up? |
| 14:21 | <Chutt> | not much =) |
| 14:22 | <moegreen> | What's the guy on the list talking about with the list-id changing? They look the same to me |
| 14:22 | <jkolb> | thor_: Tyler doesn't seem to see the humor. |
| 14:22 | <Chutt> | maybe there's an extra space? |
| 14:22 | <Chutt> | it didn't affect my filtering, though |
| 14:23 | <jhurliman> | mechou: well first, i get this loud buzzing sound out of my receiver when its set to analog and the digital rca line is plugged in. goes away in digital mode |
| 14:23 | <jhurliman> | i think that might be a grounding problem or something, not sure yet though |
| 14:24 | <jhurliman> | second, i can't get mplayer to output anything on the spdif channel when playing a dvd or whatever. i have a /dev/snd/pcmD0C1 indicating the SPDIF channel, and all the mixer options are there but i have no idea what mixer options to set to what |
| 14:25 | <mechou> | jh: Certainly sound like a grounding problem... |
| 14:25 | <jhurliman> | mechou: ahh good. hardware problems are always better than software problems i think :) |
| 14:25 | <Chutt> | ok |
| 14:26 | <Chutt> | tyler drake's going to get himself removed from the list pretty soon |
| 14:26 | <mechou> | jh: I can work around SW problems. HW problems more PITA. |
| 14:27 | <jhurliman> | i guess in my case, hardware problems i blame on someone else. software problems means i have to fix it |
| 14:27 | <Chutt> | thor, you're evil |
| 14:27 | <thor_> | thank you |
| 14:28 | <Chutt> | he actually thought you meant that |
| 14:28 | <jhurliman> | why must i have such a cheap mailserver! the most current mail i see from the list is Caputo's RE: IRC channel? |
| 14:28 | <thor_> | it beggars belief |
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| 14:32 | <thor_> | you will note, however, that he failed to include the MYTHTV in all caps in his direct response to me. |
| 14:32 | <thor_> | perhaps I should inform him of this fact |
| 14:33 | <Chutt> | hah |
| 14:33 | <JAC> | Now *that's* evil... I love it |
| 14:33 | <Chutt> | no, please =) |
| 14:33 | <mechou> | hey guys, what do most of you mythtv developers use for a development environment? Is there a good IDE, or do you guys just use emacs or similar.... |
| 14:33 | <JAC> | nedit |
| 14:33 | <Chutt> | mechou, konsole and vim |
| 14:33 | <thor_> | joe |
| 14:34 | <JAC> | yes? LOL |
| 14:34 | <Chutt> | generally, 4 or 5 term windows open |
| 14:34 | <Chutt> | i should update the little blurb on the top of the webpage |
| 14:34 | <jhurliman> | mechou: i like kdevelop 2.x |
| 14:35 | <rkulagow__> | hrmm. i'm screwing around, just to see if i can get something to work. i don't understand why the following is always returning "Blank", even when it's obvious that it's not (like when it's showing Gears) |
| 14:35 | <rkulagow__> | void PlaybackBox::handleTreeListSignals |
| 14:35 | <rkulagow__> | <snip> |
| 14:35 | <rkulagow__> | album_text->SetText(mainvisual->getCurrentVisual()); |
| 14:35 | <rkulagow__> | maxTime = curMeta->Length() / 1000; |
| 14:35 | <rkulagow__> | <snip> |
| 14:35 | <mechou> | sigh...I was hoping somebody had a good suggestion for IDE so I can easily see all the relationships between classes... |
| 14:36 | <rkulagow__> | shouldn't getCurrentVisual be "Gears"? |
| 14:36 | <thor_> | rkulagow, is that in an event loop? |
| 14:36 | <thor_> | cause it always starts out blank |
| 14:36 | <rkulagow__> | it looks like it's returning a QString. |
| 14:36 | <rkulagow__> | ah, wait a minute. |
| 14:36 | <rkulagow__> | ok, let me check something. |
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| 14:37 | <nooloo> | mechou you mean something like this: http://lxr.linux.no./ |
| 14:38 | <jhurliman> | mechou: kdevelop has a class browser, but nothing that is going to show intricate class relationships |
| 14:38 | <Chutt> | mythtv has a really flat class heirarchy |
| 14:38 | <Chutt> | or however the hell you spell that |
| 14:38 | <Chutt> | not a lot of inheritance going on |
| 14:38 | <mdz> | a call graph would be handy |
| 14:39 | <JAC> | 'i' before 'e', except after 'c' :-) |
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| 14:39 | <mechou> | I agree, a call graph would suffice for me now. |
| 14:39 | <nooloo> | what about neighbor and weigh ? :) |
| 14:39 | <rkulagow__> | ok, i was misunderstanding something then. the handleTreeListSignals runs once for each song, and so the visualiser is set to blank when it's first starting and isn't re-visited again. |
| 14:39 | <JAC> | that's English for you... lots of exceptions |
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| 14:41 | <rkulagow__> | ok, now i see the setVisual @ line 182 |
| 14:43 | <thor_> | rkulagow, actually the visualizer is set to blank 'cause otherwise it segfaults, but yeah, you're on the right track |
| 14:44 | <rkulagow__> | ok, i'll see if i can figure it out. thanks. |
| 14:45 | <mechou> | nooloo: Just took a look at lxr.linux.no. A step in the right direction, but not really what I'm after. |
| 14:45 | <nooloo> | yea, thats about the only thing i could think of that makes it easy to see where everything comes from |
| 14:46 | <rkulagow__> | thor: "Grap the next track after this" "Grap"? canadians. =) |
| 14:47 | <jhurliman> | is anyone running mandrake 9.1? im having problems getting gdb working, a google on the problem says dont use gcc3.3 |
| 14:47 | <Chutt> | use debian instead |
| 14:47 | <Chutt> | their gdb/gcc/glibc combo works :p |
| 14:48 | <jhurliman> | well im switching to gentoo when i get a chance, but i dont want to go through a big migration right in the middle of coding everything |
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| 14:48 | <mechou> | jh: I'm using MDK 9.1. I've *heard* of a few problems with gdb, but haven't encountered them myself. For minor debugging tasks it seems to work OK for me. |
| 14:48 | <Chutt> | mechou, it doesn't like threads |
| 14:49 | <Chutt> | non-threaded stuff seems fine |
| 14:49 | <jhurliman> | yeah, it seems to explode on threads, which is about every qt app it seems |
| 14:49 | * jhurliman | goes to find coffee, maybe that will prevent double word usage in sentences |
| 14:50 | <thor_> | rkulagow, Grap is a technical term, meaning pull next entity out of a mutli-level hierarchy. We Canadians is very particular 'bout our diction |
| 14:51 | <thor_> | I need solutions that deliver |
| 14:51 | <thor_> | platform independent content. |
| 14:51 | <thor_> | |
| 14:52 | <thor_> | what is up with the mailing list today? |
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| 14:52 | <Chutt> | blame snowman |
| 14:52 | <thor_> | ok |
| 14:52 | <Snow-Man> | heh. |
| 14:52 | <jkolb> | The mailserver is choking because everyone is now putting MYTHTV in their subject line. |
| 14:53 | <jkolb> | All those extra 6 bytes are just too much for it. |
| 14:53 | <Snow-Man> | Hmmm, things do appear to be backing up some. |
| 14:53 | <Snow-Man> | Which is kind of weird I'd think. |
| 14:56 | <mechou> | Hey Isaac, I don't mean to rush you or anything, but do you think you'll be able to fix the networked slave backend reboot crashing MBE anytime soon? |
| 14:56 | <Chutt> | maybe |
| 14:57 | <Chutt> | i just need to make a new connection from the same slave get rid of the old stale one |
| 14:57 | * Snow-Man | changes the QoS rules around some. |
| 14:58 | <monkeyBox> | Hey all, I posted this question to the users list but no response yet... thought I'd try in here... |
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| 14:58 | <monkeyBox> | I have a frontend that's hooked up over a 100Mbit connection, and it works great, except that after a few minutes the audio starts echoing, but it's not a normal echo, it sounds all choppy, as if underwater.. The video is pretty solid, however. |
| 14:58 | <Chutt> | didn't you ask this in here yesterday? |
| 14:58 | <monkeyBox> | oh heh |
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| 14:59 | <Snow-Man> | That might help.. |
| 14:59 | <monkeyBox> | yeah I guess I did.. I'm just anxious to figure out what was causing it... |
| 14:59 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 14:59 | <Chutt> | still have no idea =) |
| 15:00 | <thor_> | monkeyBox, you not using a liquid cooler for your CPU by any chance? |
| 15:00 | <JAC> | heh |
| 15:01 | <nooloo> | hah |
| 15:01 | <monkeyBox> | thor_: ha! |
| 15:01 | <monkeyBox> | I guess I'll just keep tweaking settings untill I figure it out... do you think it would have anything to do with the sound server on the frontend? |
| 15:02 | <Chutt> | could |
| 15:02 | <thor_> | it could ... this is only on playback of recordings (not live?) |
| 15:02 | <monkeyBox> | no, it's both |
| 15:02 | <monkeyBox> | but only on the frontend machinr |
| 15:02 | <Chutt> | well, they're both using the same stuff |
| 15:02 | <Chutt> | so |
| 15:03 | <thor_> | but no weird ass delay off soundcard thing happening (no echo of content twice), just garbly |
| 15:03 | <thor_> | ? |
| 15:04 | <monkeyBox> | well.. it's hard to describe... it's echo AND garbly |
| 15:04 | <monkeyBox> | it's as if someone put some nasty reverb on it |
| 15:04 | <thor_> | and it's not something physical like you have both machines plugged into same amp/speakers ? |
| 15:05 | <monkeyBox> | heh.. nope.. two completely separate machines (frontend is my laptop) |
| 15:05 | <monkeyBox> | using 100Mbit connected through a hub. |
| 15:05 | <monkeyBox> | I mean a switch |
| 15:06 | <JAC> | Are you able to test playback on your backend to rule out a recording problem? |
| 15:07 | <monkeyBox> | yep.. playback works great on the backend, as well as livetv |
| 15:07 | <JAC> | How 'bout playing the .nuv file (over network mount) with mplayer on your frontend? |
| 15:08 | <rcaskey_> | ooh, mplayer supports nuv? |
| 15:08 | <Chutt> | if you patch it |
| 15:08 | <Snow-Man> | Alright, you all need to, like, quit talking on the mailing lists already. |
| 15:08 | <Snow-Man> | :) |
| 15:09 | <Chutt> | snowman, feel free to remove 'Tyler Drake <pcjabber@ec.rr.com>' if need be |
| 15:09 | <Chutt> | but that's just because i'm mean |
| 15:10 | <Snow-Man> | haha |
| 15:10 | <mechou> | OK, I got a problem with I can't figure out. I record a mythtv program using btaudio @32,000. I try to play back the recording over the network, but I get chipmunk effect. The HW which I playing the file apparently only does 48,000. Am I screwed? |
| 15:10 | <Chutt> | mechou, yeah, without adding some pretty simple resampling code to mythtv |
| 15:10 | <Chutt> | or using alsa to auto-resample |
| 15:11 | <monkeyBox> | Will mythtv ever be able to tweak the codec settings on the ivtv driver? for instance, if I want to change bitrate, I have to do it through ivtv's test_ioctl program... |
| 15:11 | <monkeyBox> | through the interface I mean... |
| 15:11 | <Chutt> | monkeyBox, once the codec settings are more official |
| 15:11 | <Chutt> | yes |
| 15:11 | <monkeyBox> | cool |
| 15:11 | <Chutt> | the interface that's in there now is fairly hackish |
| 15:11 | <mechou> | Chutt, you got a pointer to alsa auto-resample? I'm not familiar w/ that... |
| 15:12 | <Chutt> | mechou, not off-hand, sorry.. look for a howto on setting up an .asoundrc |
| 15:12 | <mechou> | Chutt, OK, will do. |
| 15:13 | <jhurliman> | anyone know if btaudio supports the zoltrix tv genie card? |
| 15:13 | <rcaskey_> | Chutt: working on a feature list for .10 yet? |
| 15:13 | <Chutt> | not really |
| 15:13 | <rcaskey_> | I don't know about the .10 thing, I kinda like the infinte .9's method |
| 15:14 | <Chutt> | i'd _like_ to put out 0.10 in a much quicker time period than 0.8 -> 0.9 |
| 15:14 | <rcaskey_> | making the next version .99 then .999, etc |
| 15:14 | <Chutt> | but i said the same thing about 0.9 |
| 15:14 | <Chutt> | so i dunno |
| 15:14 | <rcaskey_> | meaning depending on your platform, some users might reach 1.0 sooner than others... |
| 15:15 | <thor_> | Chutt, do you recall why we have a fixspace flag in MythListView() ? |
| 15:15 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 15:15 | <thor_> | do we still need that? |
| 15:15 | <Chutt> | you can't delete an item from a QListView on the default space pressed handler |
| 15:15 | <Chutt> | i don't think so |
| 15:15 | <thor_> | k, thanks |
| 15:16 | <rcaskey_> | http://lists.snowman.net/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-dev/ did the url change? |
| 15:16 | <rcaskey_> | the MythTV-dev link off of http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythInfo seems down |
| 15:16 | <Snow-Man> | grrrrr. |
| 15:16 | <Snow-Man> | Fucking mailman. |
| 15:16 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 15:16 | <rcaskey_> | Snow-Man: im really wising there was a standard xml format for archiving posts |
| 15:17 | <Snow-Man> | I'm really wishing mailman wasn't a fucking piece of shit. |
| 15:17 | <rcaskey_> | that too |
| 15:19 | <monkeyBox> | this is strange... I think after looking cloaser I can kinda see what's happening here.. the video gets out of sync BEHIND on the audio, maybe about a half to a full second behind... then the bubbly-echo effect kicks in and the a/v is synced again... then after another few seconds the echo effect kicks in again but perminantly this time.. any new thoughts? |
| 15:20 | <Snow-Man> | So of *course* they had to fucking move /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin to /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman! Duh! Why wouldn't I have ever guessed they'd do that and not fucking tell anyway? |
| 15:20 | <Snow-Man> | s/anyway/anyone/ |
| 15:20 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 15:20 | <Chutt> | debian maintainer? |
| 15:20 | <Snow-Man> | And what's with you people not telling me this sooner anyway? |
| 15:20 | <Snow-Man> | Chutt: Of course. |
| 15:21 | <Snow-Man> | rcaskey_: That work? |
| 15:21 | <rkulagow__> | if(curMeta) |
| 15:21 | <rkulagow__> | { |
| 15:21 | <rkulagow__> | time_text->SetText(time_string); |
| 15:21 | <rkulagow__> | info_text->SetText(mainvisual->getCurrentVisual()); |
| 15:21 | <rkulagow__> | oops, was still editing that. anyway, i'm within an event loop at this point, and i'm still getting "Blank" returned. |
| 15:21 | <rcaskey_> | ja |
| 15:22 | <Snow-Man> | Good. |
| 15:22 | <JAC> | monkey: what are your frontend HW specs? |
| 15:22 | <rcaskey_> | btw Chutt, is there anything that could be done to speed up retreval? it took me half an hour to get my updates over cable on first run |
| 15:23 | <Chutt> | updates of what? |
| 15:23 | <Chutt> | the listings? |
| 15:23 | <rcaskey_> | yeah |
| 15:23 | <rcaskey_> | mostly for channels I dont even get |
| 15:23 | <Chutt> | you can always edit those out of the config file |
| 15:23 | <rkulagow__> | line ~1104 of playbackbox.cpp - and it stays as "Blank" after cycling a visualizer with "6", entering full screen with "4", etc. am i still not seeing something WRT the getCurrentVisual call? |
| 15:23 | <Chutt> | talk to the xmltv guys about the speed of it |
| 15:23 | <thor_> | rkulagow, just email me your code |
| 15:24 | <rkulagow__> | thor: the above is actually _it_; i just replaced your call in the info_text with a call to the getCurrentVisual, compile, make install. |
| 15:24 | <thor_> | hang on |
| 15:25 | <rkulagow__> | (i'm actually just trying to see if i can get something to print before trying to work on the info box dimensions, etc) |
| 15:25 | <Chutt> | a bigger info box would be cool. |
| 15:25 | <Chutt> | and transparent, too |
| 15:26 | <thor_> | works fine here ... make install? |
| 15:27 | <rkulagow__> | i'm going to feel more than stupid if this doesn't work. hold on. |
| 15:27 | <thor_> | little "Goom" in there |
| 15:27 | <thor_> | although oddly, goom is blank (the visual) |
| 15:27 | <thor_> | Chutt? |
| 15:27 | <Snow-Man> | The mailing list queue appears to be decreasing. |
| 15:28 | <Snow-Man> | Down 200 messages since someone complained. :) |
| 15:28 | <Chutt> | i dunno |
| 15:28 | <thor_> | since last update ... |
| 15:28 | <thor_> | weird |
| 15:29 | <thor_> | Ah ... rkulagow |
| 15:29 | <thor_> | you have you're visualizers set on "Random" right? |
| 15:29 | <thor_> | your |
| 15:31 | <rkulagow__> | thor: yes |
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| 15:31 | <thor_> | if you put in a space separated list it will work. Or hang on for a few minutes and I'll fix it |
| 15:31 | <monkeyBox> | JAC: Dell 866MHz laptop, audio chipset is: "intel 82801CA/CAM AC'97 (rev 01)" |
| 15:32 | <rkulagow__> | ah, thanks. and here i though i knew even less about programming than i thought i did. |
| 15:32 | <yourmom> | When I am playing a currently recorded show, it will kick me out of watching it half way through. I don't get any error messages. Has anyone seen this? |
| 15:33 | <jhurliman> | yourmom: version of mythtv? |
| 15:33 | <yourmom> | 0.9 |
| 15:33 | <JAC> | monkey: OK, what are your recording parameters (codec, resolution, bitrate/quality, audio quality) |
| 15:34 | <yourmom> | Mpeg-4, 480x480, 2199, mp3 7. This doesn't hapen as soon as the recording has stopped. The frontend also dos not crash. |
| 15:34 | <yourmom> | All the other are default |
| 15:36 | <monkeyBox> | JAC: I'm using ivtv (PVR 250) drivers, bitrate is 4Mbps (set witht the ivtv driver tools), resolution is 640x480, Audo quality is 32k MP3 |
| 15:37 | <yourmom> | jhurliman, should I debug my setup? |
| 15:37 | <yourmom> | I don't see any error messages at all. I just get kicked out of the recording. |
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| 15:38 | <jhurliman> | gtg |
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| 15:38 | <yourmom> | Does anyone have any suggestions. |
| 15:40 | <yourmom> | ok |
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| 15:42 | <JAC> | monkeyBox: ...and you said you're on a 100Mbit switch network? Both boxes, or is one wireless? Ever try cranking the resolution/bitrate down? |
| 15:44 | <JAC> | Can anyone comment on whether monkeyBox's 866MHz box is fast enough to decode MPEG-2/640x480@4000bps ? |
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| 15:44 | <jkolb> | I'm pretty sure my box is only 850MHz, and it's doing MPEG-2/720x480 @ 8MB/s |
| 15:44 | <jkolb> | Lemme check that. |
| 15:45 | <jkolb> | Yeah, Celeron 850. |
| 15:45 | <jkolb> | It's doing VBR @ 8(avg)/16(peak) just fine. |
| 15:47 | <monkeyBox> | I just lowered my bitrate to 4(avg)/8(peak) and it still has exact same problem |
| 15:48 | <jkolb> | At 4/8, I was getting a noisy picture, so I bumped it back up. |
| 15:48 | <jkolb> | Of course, I haven't updated my ivtv driver in a few weeks. Maybe I should try that again. |
| 15:49 | <monkeyBox> | Yeah, I hear the firmware is still pretty buggy |
| 15:49 | <jkolb> | It's been working like a champ as long as I leave everything at the defaults. |
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| 15:52 | <monkeyBox> | yeah it works great for me too, but they say that changing bitrates can be buggy at times... and I'd like to be able to lower my bitrate to reduce filesizes.. mpeg2 is HUGE |
| 15:53 | <jkolb> | I picked up a 200G drive for my myth box, so I haven't really cared yet. |
| 15:54 | <monkeyBox> | how much did that set you back? |
| 15:55 | <jkolb> | Like $250? |
| 15:56 | <jkolb> | It seems you can get a WD 200G for $189 now. I wanted the Maxtor DiamondMax 9 (it has FDB) |
| 15:56 | <monkeyBox> | I'm always hesitant to buy huge drives... 'cause if one goes out that's a lot to loose.. |
| 15:56 | <rkulagow__> | yeesh! any rebates involved? techbargains.com shows 200G drives coming in at < $100 after rebates or coupons and such. |
| 15:56 | <jkolb> | I'll only lose my myth recordings. My ripped CDs are archived on two other drives. |
| 15:58 | <monkeyBox> | yeah, you'll also loose that $250 hard drive.. I'd rather have three or four 80 GB hard drives, then if on goes out I don't have to spend a buttload on a new one :) |
| 15:58 | <jkolb> | If they're going to die, they'll usually die within the warranty period. |
| 15:59 | <jkolb> | If they live through the first few weeks, you'll probably buy a new drive that's big enough to just back everything up to before it dies of old age. |
| 15:59 | <jkolb> | rkulagow__: I've never heard of techbargains. I just use pricewatch. |
| 16:00 | <monkeyBox> | good point.. |
| 16:01 | <monkeyBox> | anyone have any experience with the VIA EPIA-M mini-itx boards?? they seem like perfect candidates for a PVR (they're practically made for one) |
| 16:01 | <rkulagow__> | techbargains lets you know about upcoming deals, coupons, rebates, etc. like fatwallet, or anandtech |
| 16:01 | <jkolb> | rkulagow__: I must be missing where it shows hard drive prices on techbargains. Am I just blind? |
| 16:02 | <rkulagow__> | well, there may not be a sale _right now_, but if you look at it once in a while you'll usually find something. |
| 16:02 | <jkolb> | Yep, just blind. |
| 16:03 | <Chutt> | are there any more text config files other than mysql.txt left? |
| 16:04 | <rkulagow__> | if you mean that aren't being used, then mythtv-HOWTO.txt is one. =) |
| 16:04 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 16:04 | <thor_> | Chutt, is there some reason why randomViz is static ? |
| 16:04 | <Chutt> | i dunno |
| 16:04 | <jkolb> | Chutt: If I can come up with a better layout, would it be alright if I poke around the database structure? |
| 16:04 | <Chutt> | sure |
| 16:05 | <Chutt> | i just need the reasonining behind any changes |
| 16:05 | <Chutt> | and it has to be a valid reason =) |
| 16:05 | <jkolb> | Can it be that it looks prettier when I draw it on a tab... damn. |
| 16:05 | <jkolb> | I guess I'll have to actually think about it first, then. |
| 16:06 | <thor_> | both creatVis() and randomVis() are static methods in MainVisual, which is proving to be a pain ... I'm going to try and change them |
| 16:06 | <Chutt> | sure |
| 16:06 | <Chutt> | that's perfectly fine |
| 16:07 | <thor_> | and registerVisFactory() |
| 16:07 | <Chutt> | well |
| 16:07 | <Chutt> | i dunno 'bout those |
| 16:07 | <Chutt> | maybe, though |
| 16:07 | <Chutt> | depends on how you want to handle the vis 'plugins' |
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| 16:09 | <thor_> | oh, I see ... |
| 16:09 | <thor_> | dear god this is ugly |
| 16:09 | <thor_> | never mind |
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| 16:11 | <JAC> | gtg |
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| 16:11 | <rkulagow__> | thor: is this for the visualization stuff that i was trying to get displayed? |
| 16:11 | <thor_> | partly |
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| 16:11 | <thor_> | but not exclusively |
| 16:13 | <rkulagow__> | thor: ok, thanks. maybe i can figure out how to work that into the infobox now that i know that it was "something else" |
| 16:13 | <thor_> | you were doing everything right, just that getCurrentVisual() was not returning the right name |
| 16:14 | <thor_> | should be sorted shortly, along with Space == Return == Enter |
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| 16:24 | <jkolb> | monkeyBox: $204.66 for that Maxtor now: http://www.knowledgemicro.com/detail.php?p=HD-MX200AY&c=PG |
| 16:25 | <extremis> | urg, very little info on dvb |
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| 16:53 | <zaheer> | hi guys |
| 16:54 | <zaheer> | i setup a dedicated myth box 1 1/2 weeks ago for the house and the family cant live without it already! Thanks guys |
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| 17:05 | <monkeyBox> | Have you guys used mythtv in a gnome environment? the fullscreen doesn't work correctly with metacity.. I contacted the metacity developers and they say it's most likely because mythtv does not support the fullscreen implementation suggested by freedesktop.org.. is that right? |
| 17:06 | <zaheer> | thats probably right |
| 17:06 | <zaheer> | in both kde and gnome it comes up with a title bar |
| 17:07 | <zaheer> | my mythbox uses ratpoison as the window manager |
| 17:07 | <jkolb> | Is a windowmanager even required anymore? Everything is drawn on a single window now, right? |
| 17:08 | <zaheer> | but its only when watching tv or when watching a recording, the actual interface of mythtv appears full screen |
| 17:08 | <zaheer> | jkolb: i havent tried without a wm...worth sticking just mythfrontend in the .xinitrc |
| 17:09 | <monkeyBox> | here's the reference: |
| 17:09 | <monkeyBox> | http://www.freedesktop.org/standards/wm-spec/x186.html |
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| 17:09 | <monkeyBox> | (see _NET_WM_STATE_FULLSCREEN) |
| 17:10 | <zaheer> | monkeybix: does the main gui also not appear fullscreen? |
| 17:13 | <monkeyBox> | no, only the mythtv app |
| 17:14 | <zaheer> | monkeyBox: the tv watching part of the menu interface or both? |
| 17:15 | <monkeyBox> | zaheer: the frontend menus and everything go to fullscreen just fine... but the actual mythtv viewer does not |
| 17:15 | <monkeyBox> | like if I ran /usr/local/bin/mythtv |
| 17:16 | <zaheer> | ok |
| 17:16 | <zaheer> | i get the same |
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| 17:16 | <monkeyBox> | are the developers aware of this bug? |
| 17:16 | <zaheer> | thatsh why i use ratpoison as my window manager, it makes every app fullscreen |
| 17:17 | <zaheer> | and u switch using the keystrokes used in screen |
| 17:17 | <zaheer> | tho my myth box is dedicaated so i dont need gnome running |
| 17:18 | <monkeyBox> | well, to each their own :) ... but regardless this is a bug that should be fixed (imho) |
| 17:18 | <zaheer> | my guess is its a simple patch to make mythtv viewer fullscreen |
| 17:18 | <monkeyBox> | cause I like to watch mythtv on my desktop as well... |
| 17:18 | <zaheer> | yah understood :) |
| 17:19 | <zaheer> | i run the frontend on my desktop often too, an yes it not being fullscreen is somewhat annoying |
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| 17:20 | <monkeyBox> | when I build my dedicated frontend system, I probably won't even use a WM.. just raw X should work fine, right? |
| 17:21 | <zaheer> | i guess so, i plan to try it at some stage as now i dont need to fiddle with my myth box |
| 17:21 | <zaheer> | my only worry is how the dialogs will look |
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| 17:21 | <thor_> | the current cvs is all one window, so could (in principle) run without a WM |
| 17:23 | <monkeyBox> | the problem with gnome/metacity is easy to workaround though.. just bind a key in gnome's settings for fullscreen, and it will set the _NET_WM_STATE_FULLSCREEN for you... |
| 17:23 | <zaheer> | thor_: has the move to modules fully been done in CVS? (or are there any bits left) |
| 17:24 | <thor_> | pretty much |
| 17:24 | <thor_> | few squibbles here and there |
| 17:24 | <thor_> | but it's getting sorted |
| 17:24 | <zaheer> | cool |
| 17:25 | <zaheer> | my next step is getting dvb fully working |
| 17:25 | <thor_> | I'd leave the family box alone for a little while vis-a-vis CVS |
| 17:26 | <thor_> | little things breaking and getting fixed all the time |
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| 17:26 | <zaheer> | :) thx for the advice, i plan to leave it until the weekend at least |
| 17:26 | <zaheer> | im currently using cvs from the day of 0.9.1 |
| 17:26 | <extremis> | groan, so the DVB code doesn't work yet |
| 17:26 | <extremis> | is anyone other than Ben working on it? |
| 17:27 | <thor_> | Ben has done a pretty good job considering he doesn't even own a DVB card |
| 17:27 | <zaheer> | extremis: i have a susspicion that its my crap disk i/o speed |
| 17:27 | <zaheer> | thats causing the probs |
| 17:28 | <zaheer> | i have my nova-t in my docking station and using a thinkpad t20 (PIII 750) |
| 17:28 | <extremis> | I just bought a technotrend |
| 17:28 | <extremis> | it should be here this week |
| 17:28 | <zaheer> | the bitrate of the mpeg2 coming from the dvb card is nearly as much as my hdparm -t value |
| 17:28 | <extremis> | should I get a CI? |
| 17:29 | <zaheer> | extremis: i dunno how well CIs are supported under linux...so cannot say |
| 17:29 | <extremis> | are you just watching free2air? |
| 17:29 | <zaheer> | yah thats all we get in UK |
| 17:30 | <zaheer> | not only that my aerial isnt wideband so i only get 2 of the 5 or 6 multiplexes here |
| 17:30 | <zaheer> | but the picture clarity and the audio quality is just something else |
| 17:31 | <extremis> | yeah, that is why I bought mine, I don't want to go svideo in from my dish network reciever, I want to go straight into the box |
| 17:31 | <extremis> | info on this stuff is just so hard to find |
| 17:32 | <zaheer> | extremis: also be prepared for spending quite a bit of time figurting out how to fill the database entries manually for dvb |
| 17:33 | <extremis> | so youhave dvb working with mythtv? |
| 17:33 | <zaheer> | my current progress |
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| 17:34 | <zaheer> | i) it tunes perfectly, gets a lock etc. |
| 17:35 | <zaheer> | ii) watching live tv gives a semblance of a picture but is awful, and sound is lost 7 seconds of every 8 |
| 17:35 | <extremis> | are you writing code for it? |
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| 17:35 | <zaheer> | iii) recording only, creates an mpeg2 nuv file that isnt very good when watching recording |
| 17:36 | <zaheer> | no, but i had to patch the tuine.c file in libdvbdev dir |
| 17:36 | <zaheer> | tune.c that is |
| 17:36 | <extremis> | cool |
| 17:36 | <extremis> | did you submit your patch? |
| 17:36 | <extremis> | is there anyone else working on it? |
| 17:36 | <zaheer> | as i said i reckon its my disk i/o not being able to keep up with the high bitrate mpeg2 that dvb gives |
| 17:36 | <ca1vin> | what kind of drive? |
| 17:37 | * extremis | has a 200gig ata133 |
| 17:37 | <zaheer> | not yet, coz i have no idea if its specific to my card, or a hack... |
| 17:37 | <zaheer> | i have a 30gb 2.5" ibm drive thats a few years old inside my laptop |
| 17:37 | <ca1vin> | LOL |
| 17:37 | <ca1vin> | ah |
| 17:37 | <ca1vin> | sounds like the problem |
| 17:38 | <extremis> | that worries me, sounds like I won't be able to record both dvb and svideo from my pvr250 |
| 17:38 | <extremis> | which was my intentions |
| 17:38 | <zaheer> | well hdparm reports the MB/s with -t, not very much higher than the mpeg2 bitrate coming from the card |
| 17:38 | <extremis> | I could add a second drive |
| 17:38 | <zaheer> | extremis: dont worry |
| 17:38 | <extremis> | I have a 120gig in my xbox I could take |
| 17:39 | <ca1vin> | or go scsi |
| 17:39 | <zaheer> | extremis: your drive sounds ok |
| 17:39 | <extremis> | ca1vin: scsi is cost prohibitive |
| 17:39 | <extremis> | zaheer: have you seen any of the cam emulation stuff? |
| 17:39 | <zaheer> | my live mythbox has nearly 20 times the i/o rate as my laptop |
| 17:39 | <ca1vin> | not if you have scsi drives already :-) |
| 17:39 | <extremis> | ca1vin: I have 1 rail for you btw |
| 17:39 | <extremis> | I'm trying to get the others |
| 17:39 | <ca1vin> | its about time :-) |
| 17:40 | <ca1vin> | thanks btw |
| 17:40 | <extremis> | I had it |
| 17:40 | <extremis> | just didn't tell you |
| 17:40 | <ca1vin> | I see how it is |
| 17:40 | <extremis> | hah |
| 17:40 | <zaheer> | extremis: no, but sounds interesting...is there linux software that emulates the cams? |
| 17:40 | <extremis> | zaheer: there is a vdr plugin, yes |
| 17:40 | <extremis> | it does the decryption too |
| 17:41 | <zaheer> | wow |
| 17:41 | <extremis> | http://multidec.wz.cz/en/download_vdr.html |
| 17:41 | <zaheer> | for what sattelites? |
| 17:41 | <extremis> | I don't know, but I know it works for dish Network |
| 17:42 | <ca1vin> | I know it doesn't work with directtv |
| 17:42 | <ca1vin> | but from what I hear that has to do more with the card itself |
| 17:42 | <zaheer> | aah ok |
| 17:43 | <zaheer> | so wouldnt require a CI addon for certain cards |
| 17:44 | <zaheer> | one word of caution DVB wise, do not use the gentoo linuxtv-dvb ebuild |
| 17:44 | <ca1vin> | from what I undertsand no dvb-s cards work with direct tv |
| 17:44 | <zaheer> | the tuning stuff seems broken |
| 17:45 | <zaheer> | the linuxtv.org 1.0.0 pre 3 driver seems to work well, along with tzap, dvbtune and dvbstream |
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| 17:50 | <thor_> | rkulagow, you now want latest CVS, but you need new libmyth first. |
| 17:51 | <thor_> | Snow-Man, lists are definitely not speedy |
| 17:52 | <extremis> | zaheer: do you think its possible to port that vdr-softcam patch to mythtv? |
| 17:53 | <rkulagow__> | thor: thanks. i'll start to work on it. |
| 17:55 | <zaheer> | anything is possible, the code is there :) |
| 17:55 | <zaheer> | how long it would take to do so, is another matter |
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| 18:05 | <BenB> | hi! |
| 18:05 | <BenB> | :-) |
| 18:05 | <extremis> | BEN! |
| 18:05 | <BenB> | zaheer: you have DVB code working?? :-)) |
| 18:05 | * BenB | reads extremis' mail |
| 18:05 | <zaheer> | BenB: nearly! |
| 18:06 | <zaheer> | i had to pull a lot of my hair out |
| 18:06 | <BenB> | zaheer: :-( |
| 18:06 | <BenB> | zaheer: about what? |
| 18:06 | <zaheer> | i had to "hack" tune.c from the libdvbdev dir |
| 18:06 | <BenB> | zaheer: patch? |
| 18:06 | <BenB> | (and why, if not obvious) |
| 18:06 | <zaheer> | i'll send u the patch hold a sec, let me make the diff |
| 18:07 | <BenB> | k |
| 18:07 | <BenB> | ben@bucksch.org |
| 18:07 | <BenB> | (please don't post that address, only private mail) |
| 18:07 | <zaheer> | the frontend event i kept getting was matching the if clause for overflow |
| 18:08 | <BenB> | hm? |
| 18:08 | <zaheer> | but it tunes fine when i comment that if clause out |
| 18:08 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: have you tried manually resolving a conflict with the only-one-window code yet? It seems to break badly here... |
| 18:08 | <zaheer> | ..just gonna retrieve the orig file from cvs |
| 18:09 | <BenB> | zaheer: you can just do cvs diff -uw tune.c > tune.diff |
| 18:09 | <monkeyBox> | anyone know the best way to get TV-out working with an NVidia GForce4 ti? |
| 18:09 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: The buttons don't work, only possible action is leaving that screen with ESC |
| 18:09 | <BenB> | zaheer: I mean |cvs diff -uw tune.c > tune.diff| |
| 18:09 | <BenB> | zaheer: that automatically gets the right CVS version and compares with that |
| 18:09 | <zaheer> | duh! i forgot about cvs diff :) |
| 18:10 | <ca1vin> | monkeyBox: tv out works great on my first try with the geforce4, unlike the gefroce2 |
| 18:10 | <monkeyBox> | ca1vin: are you using the nvidia driver or the "nvtv" app? |
| 18:10 | <ca1vin> | nvidia driver |
| 18:10 | <monkeyBox> | I'd like to be able to use nvtv but can't quite figure it out yet |
| 18:10 | <ca1vin> | with overscan option |
| 18:11 | <ca1vin> | nvtv was more of a pain in the ass than its worth |
| 18:11 | <ca1vin> | at least for myself |
| 18:11 | <monkeyBox> | hmmm... |
| 18:11 | <ca1vin> | I know it works good for others |
| 18:12 | <ca1vin> | are you using the nvidia driver? |
| 18:12 | <monkeyBox> | is there a way to set it up so that it keeps the desktops completely separate? (if I want to still use my desktop monitor for everyday stuff.. |
| 18:12 | <monkeyBox> | actually I'm using the Xfree86 "nv" driver because I've had tons of problems with the nvidia driver and XV apps |
| 18:12 | <ca1vin> | I am not sure as I only us a tv |
| 18:12 | <ca1vin> | which nvidia driver where you using? |
| 18:17 | <monkeyBox> | I'm using the nv driver (the opensource one) |
| 18:17 | <ca1vin> | well you said you had problems with the nvidia driver |
| 18:17 | <ca1vin> | which one |
| 18:18 | <monkeyBox> | the closed source nvidia driver... |
| 18:18 | <ca1vin> | I mean which version |
| 18:18 | <ca1vin> | LOL |
| 18:18 | <monkeyBox> | oh... the version of which driver? the closed source one? |
| 18:18 | <ca1vin> | 1.0-4363 |
| 18:19 | <ca1vin> | seems to work great |
| 18:19 | <monkeyBox> | well it works for everyone else I talk to.. just not me L( |
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| 18:19 | <monkeyBox> | last I tried was 1.0.4363 |
| 18:19 | <extremis> | is there a geforce4 ti, I thought that was the geforce 3 |
| 18:20 | <monkeyBox> | the problem I had with the binary driver only occurred in XV windows |
| 18:21 | <monkeyBox> | all my XV output always looks garbled with that driver.. with the opensource driver it looks fine |
| 18:21 | <monkeyBox> | I've never figured out why either. |
| 18:21 | <ca1vin> | I see |
| 18:21 | <monkeyBox> | So, what I'm wandering is if there's a way to use TV-out with the opensource driver? |
| 18:21 | <ca1vin> | nvtv :-) |
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| 18:23 | <monkeyBox> | well, looking at the nvtv docs, it says it doesn't work witht the opensource version of the driver.. |
| 18:24 | <ca1vin> | hmm, I don't remember which driver I was using with it so that probably is the case |
| 18:26 | <monkeyBox> | well, I'm trying nv-tv right now but can't fiigure out what I need to do.. :-( |
| 18:26 | <monkeyBox> | I've switched all the settings and nothing's happening... |
| 18:26 | <ca1vin> | did you hit tv-on? |
| 18:26 | <monkeyBox> | yup |
| 18:27 | <ca1vin> | explain why you need XV windows |
| 18:27 | <ca1vin> | just wondering |
| 18:27 | <monkeyBox> | heh.. to display DVD, mythtv, etc.. |
| 18:27 | <monkeyBox> | what other poss. way is ther? |
| 18:28 | <ca1vin> | I guess I am not sure why you are having the problem you are having |
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| 18:30 | <monkeyBox> | well, I've never figured the problem out either, but as it stands right now, I'm forced to use the "nv" driver when I want to watch DVD or TV. |
| 18:30 | <ca1vin> | are you sure its not something in your xfconfig that is wrong when you are having issue with the nvidia driver? |
| 18:30 | <ca1vin> | do you see errors in your x log\ |
| 18:30 | <extremis> | mythtv uses XV? |
| 18:34 | <rkulagow__> | thor: yay! it works. i need to tweak the music-ui to get the text to align correctly (i put it to the right of the rating), but otherwise it's working excellently. |
| 18:36 | <BenB> | extremis: yes. |
| 18:36 | <rkulagow__> | chutt: i'm assuming that you defer commit / send patch decisions on external modules^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hplugins to the primary maintainer? |
| 18:43 | <Chutt> | for the most part |
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| 18:45 | <rkulagow__> | i'll wait for thor to come back, but i've made a stupid / trivial change that just prints what visualization is showing in the infobox. i now know that it's _goom_ that my daughter likes, not, synaesthesia, which is too difficult to spell anyways. |
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| 18:47 | <rkulagow__> | plus, 99% of making it possible was the commit that thor just made. =) |
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| 18:47 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 18:53 | <Chutt> | BenB, i'll apply your movies patch one of these day, really |
| 18:54 | <Chutt> | 'days', too |
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| 18:55 | <extremis> | what ir blaster should I buy? |
| 18:55 | <extremis> | or is it silly simple to make one? |
| 18:55 | <extremis> | I have a few extra hauupauge ir cables |
| 18:56 | <ca1vin> | there is a lot of post about that in the archives |
| 18:56 | <ca1vin> | I ended up going with this http://store.yahoo.com/snapstreammedia/irblascabpac.html |
| 18:57 | <ca1vin> | took less than 24 hours to get here |
| 18:59 | <extremis> | This product does NOT include an Actisys IR-200L -- this product is only designed to work with SnapStream Personal Video Station. So only buy this if you want to use it with SnapStream! |
| 18:59 | <ca1vin> | ya ignore that |
| 18:59 | <ca1vin> | its a disclaimer |
| 18:59 | <extremis> | actisys sells just the blaster |
| 18:59 | <extremis> | and not the cables |
| 19:00 | <extremis> | ugh, its more expensive directly from actisys |
| 19:00 | <ca1vin> | ;-) |
| 19:00 | <ca1vin> | you should listen to me when I talk |
| 19:00 | <ca1vin> | LOL |
| 19:01 | <extremis> | urhg, ther eis not buy link there |
| 19:02 | <ca1vin> | just buy it from the http://store.yahoo.com/snapstreammedia/irblascabpac.html site or make a homebrew |
| 19:02 | <extremis> | it won't let me buy it there |
| 19:02 | <ca1vin> | one sec |
| 19:02 | <ca1vin> | let me get the exact link |
| 19:03 | <ca1vin> | ha |
| 19:03 | <ca1vin> | they removed it |
| 19:03 | <ca1vin> | maybe they figured out what people were doing |
| 19:03 | <extremis> | so if I have a logitech serial infrared adapter can it be used for tx as well as rx? I'm assuming the hardware is different |
| 19:04 | <ca1vin> | check out the lirc docs, they may mention it somewhere |
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| 19:04 | <BenB> | Chutt: (movies patch) hehe, yes, ok, thanks :). |
| 19:04 | <ca1vin> | I would be willing to bet you could get it to work\ |
| 19:05 | <extremis> | rtfm'ing |
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| 19:07 | <ca1vin> | http://store.snapstream.com/irblcapa.html |
| 19:07 | <ca1vin> | there you go |
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| 19:39 | <rkulagow__> | thor: "the baby kulagowski commit". i like it. =) |
| 19:39 | <rkulagow__> | snow-man: is the list actually laggier now than before? |
| 19:43 | <Chutt> | i'm getting email from 2 hours ago |
| 19:44 | <BenB> | hahaha "The Baby Kulagowski commit" |
| 19:45 | <BenB> | rkulagow: how old s your daughter? |
| 19:46 | <Captain_Murdoch> | Chutt, couple quick questions. 1) If I add new words/phrases and have them wrapped in tr(), should I add them to the .ts files or just let a translator do that? 2) is it OK to turn on auto commercial flagging by default for new people unless turned off in setup. I think a lot of people are still using the old manual skip method because they don't turn auto-flagging on. |
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| 19:59 | <BenB> | Chutt: me too. if you want to host the lists on my server, you're welcome. |
| 20:01 | <BenB> | (oh, I see in the archives that you want to keep the current server. n/m, then) |
| 20:01 | <BenB> | s/archives/log/ |
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| 20:23 | <Chutt> | captain_murdoch, just run lupdate or lrelease or whatever it is that updates the .ts files, and yeah, you can turn that on by default |
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| 20:33 | <Snow-Man> | rkulagow__: Possibly I guess. |
| 20:36 | <Snow-Man> | Alright, I removed the bandwidth caps and reset the sendmail config. |
| 20:36 | <Snow-Man> | Let's see if it can keep up now. |
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| 20:40 | <Captain_Murdoch> | Chutt: ok, thanks. |
| 20:44 | <extremis> | does lirc_sir use a diff mknod? |
| 20:44 | <extremis> | mode2 isn't picking anything up when I use lirc_sir but it does on lirc_serial |
| 20:49 | <Snow-Man> | Things appear to be clearing out of the mail queue on relay... |
| 20:57 | <ahbritto> | Snow-Man: How many subscribers to mythtv-users? |
| 20:58 | <Snow-Man> | Hell if I know. |
| 20:58 | <Snow-Man> | A fuckload |
| 20:58 | <Snow-Man> | Down to near 1000 messages in the queue from over 2000 earlier. |
| 20:59 | <ahbritto> | Are you delivering them yourself, or through upstream? |
| 20:59 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: unless that was fixed since I last wrote, the conflict resolution "popup" letting you choose which show of many to record, is having focus issues |
| 20:59 | <Snow-Man> | Oh, yeah, right, like upstream would be cool with this much mail. |
| 20:59 | <ahbritto> | The question I guess is are you customer or a guest? |
| 21:00 | <Snow-Man> | A customer, but that wouldn't matter. |
| 21:00 | <Snow-Man> | This isn't like a couple emails. |
| 21:00 | <extremis> | lirc_sir: I/O port 0x03f8, IRQ 4. |
| 21:00 | <extremis> | enable_irq(4) unbalanced from e0d29b02 |
| 21:00 | <extremis> | lirc_sir: Installed. |
| 21:00 | <extremis> | anyone get that one before? |
| 21:01 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: (I'm trying to say it differently so it can make sense to you) |
| 21:01 | <Snow-Man> | I wish I knew why it was being such a bitch. |
| 21:01 | <ahbritto> | If you haven't checked with them you might, they might easily be able to handle high-volume. |
| 21:02 | <Snow-Man> | I'm probably lucky they don't try and tell me I'm a spammer. |
| 21:02 | <ahbritto> | Well, most service contracts specify they will be a smart host for the client. |
| 21:03 | <extremis> | ? |
| 21:03 | <Snow-Man> | Look, if I need help from the peanut gallery I'll ask, mkay? |
| 21:03 | <ahbritto> | Sorry. :( |
| 21:04 | <extremis> | I'd like help from teh panut gallery |
| 21:05 | <extremis> | rather, I would like any help :) |
| 21:09 | <rcaskey_> | most service contracts also say your not supposed to run any servers |
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| 21:25 | <Chutt> | petecool, i'll have that fixed in a sec |
| 21:26 | <Chutt> | thanks for finding that =) |
| 21:26 | <Snow-Man> | How's the list? |
| 21:26 | <Snow-Man> | Chutt: And I havn't got recent on atm. |
| 21:27 | <Chutt> | the last email i've gotten was 6:14 pm |
| 21:27 | <Snow-Man> | ugh. |
| 21:27 | <Captain_Murdoch> | Chutt: could that also be affecting the infodialog popup from the conflict res page? |
| 21:28 | <Chutt> | captain_murdoch, he's talking about the conflict res page |
| 21:28 | <Chutt> | oh |
| 21:28 | <Chutt> | hmm |
| 21:28 | <Snow-Man> | I've only got one ijr mail, and that's to ijr.dnsalias.org or whatever. |
| 21:28 | <Chutt> | i dunno |
| 21:28 | <Chutt> | i'll have to check |
| 21:28 | <Chutt> | snowman, looks like the initial relay -> www is taking > 2 hours |
| 21:29 | <Captain_Murdoch> | I wasn't sure if it was a problem with the specfic resolve popup where you pick a show or any popup off that screen. |
| 21:29 | <Chutt> | oh, wait |
| 21:29 | <Snow-Man> | errr, well, that'd be shitty, wouldn't it. |
| 21:29 | <Chutt> | www -> www is taking 2 hours |
| 21:29 | * Snow-Man | blinks. |
| 21:29 | <Chutt> | received from relay by www at 18:15:52 |
| 21:29 | <Chutt> | received from www by www 20:29:13 |
| 21:29 | <Chutt> | received from www by relay 20:32:11 |
| 21:29 | <Snow-Man> | Can you forward it on to me? |
| 21:29 | <Chutt> | received from relay by cwru.edu 20:37:38 |
| 21:30 | <Chutt> | sfrost@? |
| 21:30 | <Snow-Man> | yea |
| 21:31 | <Chutt> | sent |
| 21:31 | <Chutt> | that's the last email i got |
| 21:31 | <Chutt> | mailman problem, perhaps? |
| 21:31 | <Snow-Man> | Probably. |
| 21:32 | <Chutt> | captain_murdoch, oh, i dunno |
| 21:34 | <Snow-Man> | Well, I see one message got through in like 10 minutes. |
| 21:35 | <Snow-Man> | DC7C64EB34056C4392194793ECEBABBD016D86@snapper.fgcu.edu, specifically. |
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| 21:36 | <Snow-Man> | It's not like there's any load on www... |
| 21:36 | <Chutt> | i still haven't gotten anything since 6 pm |
| 21:36 | <Snow-Man> | hrmpf. |
| 21:37 | <Snow-Man> | Jun 17 21:23:38 syslog@relay/relay sm-mta[22209]: h5I1NLcB022197: to=<ijr@po.cwr |
| 21:37 | <Snow-Man> | u.edu>,<kraken@po.cwru.edu>, delay=00:00:17, xdelay=00:00:02, mailer=esmtp, pri= |
| 21:37 | <Snow-Man> | 2096439, relay=lewis.cns.cwru.edu. [129.22.104.62], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (Ok.) |
| 21:39 | <Snow-Man> | So I guess that isn't me...? At least, not entirely. |
| 21:39 | <Chutt> | well |
| 21:39 | <Chutt> | that 2 hour delay in there is you :p |
| 21:39 | <Chutt> | previous emails i've gotten were similar |
| 21:40 | <Snow-Man> | Well, sure. :) |
| 21:42 | <Snow-Man> | Hrmpf. |
| 21:42 | <Snow-Man> | I've really got nfc what might have caused that delay. |
| 21:42 | <Chutt> | i just got a ton of email |
| 21:42 | <Chutt> | 11 messages from the list :p |
| 21:43 | <Snow-Man> | heh. |
| 21:43 | <Snow-Man> | Do you see those delays in that batch? |
| 21:43 | <Chutt> | hmm |
| 21:43 | <Chutt> | no, those were at cwru |
| 21:43 | <Chutt> | i really should just change my subscription address |
| 21:43 | <Snow-Man> | No www->www delays? |
| 21:45 | <Snow-Man> | Jun 17 20:20:22 2003 (25669) <mailman.0.1055887646.28634.mythtv-users@snowman.net> smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.052 seconds |
| 21:45 | <Snow-Man> | Jun 17 20:29:13 2003 (25669) <3EEF9170.1030300@lvcm.com> smtp for 698 recips, completed in 530.660 seconds |
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| 21:45 | <Snow-Man> | Jun 17 20:35:17 2003 (25669) <3EEF92CE.7060800@bucksch.org> smtp for 592 recips, completed in 364.276 seconds |
| 21:45 | <Chutt> | nope |
| 21:45 | <Snow-Man> | Jun 17 20:38:31 2003 (25669) <200306171611.36741.curtis@stanfordcomputing.com> smtp for 698 recips, completed in 193.348 seconds |
| 21:45 | <Snow-Man> | Jun 17 20:38:31 2003 (25669) <mailman.0.1055889085.28796.mythtv-users@snowman.net> smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.057 seconds |
| 21:45 | <Snow-Man> | Man, fuck if I know. |
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| 21:46 | <Snow-Man> | 364 seconds is only 6 minutes too. |
| 21:46 | <Chutt> | yeah, that's good |
| 21:46 | <Chutt> | i dunno |
| 21:46 | <Chutt> | seems to have cleared itself up |
| 21:47 | <Snow-Man> | The weird thing is that the message you saw with the 2 hour delay was the only listed witha 364 second delay. |
| 21:49 | <Snow-Man> | Maybe I'll leave it alone for a bit if things appear to be working better now. |
| 21:51 | <Snow-Man> | Let me know if you see any more weird shit.. |
| 21:52 | <Chutt> | of course |
| 21:52 | <Snow-Man> | :) |
| 21:55 | <Chutt> | petecool, ok, this will take longer than i thought |
| 21:55 | <Chutt> | it's not cooperating :( |
| 21:57 | <Chutt> | ah hah |
| 21:57 | <Chutt> | maybe that's it |
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| 22:07 | <rkulagow> | thor, you back yet? |
| 22:08 | <thor_> | I am now |
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| 22:12 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: another thing: after exiting the "popup", mythfrontend seems to hang at the programming menu... but you should've seen that by now, I guess |
| 22:13 | <Chutt> | fixed, i think |
| 22:13 | <Chutt> | mind updating to verify? |
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| 22:13 | <PeteCool> | no problem, just tell me when it's in CVS... I don't see it in the -commits archive yet |
| 22:13 | <Chutt> | i just committed it before the 'fixed, i think' =) |
| 22:13 | <Chutt> | like, right then =) |
| 22:14 | <PeteCool> | do I need to do a distclean? |
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| 22:14 | <PeteCool> | if not you'll know much faster if it's fixed :) |
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| 22:17 | <Chutt> | nope |
| 22:17 | <Chutt> | sorry, had to do dishes |
| 22:18 | <Chutt> | really, you only need to do a distclean now if the normal build doesn't work |
| 22:18 | <Chutt> | and it'll complain about it, so it's obvious, rather than just segfaulting randomly =) |
| 22:18 | <PeteCool> | hmm, that's good to know |
| 22:19 | <PeteCool> | so it won't complain about outdated parts like mythbackend did a while ago? |
| 22:19 | <PeteCool> | oh |
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| 22:24 | <DrZaius> | hey, anybody get IR working w/ their TV cards? |
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| 22:25 | <PeteCool> | Tyler Drake looks *very* experienced in Unix.... about as experienced as someone who never used it :) |
| 22:25 | <Chutt> | i don't think he's been on many mailing lists before |
| 22:26 | <Chutt> | every mail does not require a reply |
| 22:26 | <thor_> | (sigh) Tyler ... |
| 22:27 | <Chutt> | thor, that vorbis problem's odd, btw =) |
| 22:27 | <thor_> | yeah |
| 22:27 | <DrZaius> | hey Chutt, someone told me you got lirc working w/ your tuner card. i'm a bit stuck trying to get mine working |
| 22:27 | <thor_> | something wonky somewhere |
| 22:27 | <Chutt> | who's the 'someone' |
| 22:28 | <DrZaius> | vektor, from livid |
| 22:28 | <Chutt> | i'm kind of busy at the moment to do tech support |
| 22:28 | <DrZaius> | no prob |
| 22:28 | <Chutt> | ask again in 10 minutes? |
| 22:28 | <DrZaius> | will do, if i'm still stuck ;) |
| 22:28 | <DrZaius> | thanks |
| 22:29 | <poptix> | god damnit |
| 22:29 | <poptix> | the mythtv lists are way too active |
| 22:32 | <Captain_Murdoch> | the -dev list is way too active with -user stuff |
| 22:32 | <Chutt> | and vice-versa |
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| 22:33 | <poptix> | i've just had to shuffle them further down my mailbox list |
| 22:33 | <poptix> | otherwise they're always popping up as the next mailbox when i choose next unread |
| 22:49 | <just1nux> | Chutt: in the theme.xml is you uncomment the <!-- <shadow> |
| 22:49 | <just1nux> | <color>black</color> |
| 22:49 | <just1nux> | <offset>2,2</offset> |
| 22:49 | <just1nux> | <alpha>128</alpha> |
| 22:49 | <just1nux> | </shadow> |
| 22:49 | <just1nux> | some stuff is in french |
| 22:49 | <Chutt> | i think that's fixed with current cvs |
| 22:49 | <just1nux> | only watch recordings and everything under it |
| 22:49 | <just1nux> | im running cvs from yesterday, was it after that? |
| 22:50 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 22:50 | <just1nux> | ok. |
| 22:50 | <Chutt> | just a few minutes ago |
| 22:50 | <just1nux> | heh, someone caught it before i did. :) |
| 22:50 | <Chutt> | i did |
| 22:50 | <Chutt> | =) |
| 22:50 | <just1nux> | cool |
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| 23:18 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: the fix works, the recordings popups are fine now :) |
| 23:19 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: hmm, any ideas how to track the non-applied main window displacements? |
| 23:22 | <thor_> | Hurray for Dennis Lou! |
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| 23:41 | <extremis> | lirc_sir: I/O port 0x03f8, IRQ 4. |
| 23:41 | <extremis> | enable_irq(4) unbalanced from e0d29b02 |
| 23:41 | <extremis> | lirc_sir: Installed. |
| 23:43 | <extremis> | has anyone seen that error? |
| 23:47 | <bline> | check the lirc mailing list? |
| 23:47 | <extremis> | I'ms canning it now |
| 23:47 | <extremis> | its not searchable |
| 23:51 | <extremis> | hrm alot of people have it but they aren't saying its a problem |
| 23:51 | <extremis> | when using lirc_sir it doesn't rx at all |
| 23:51 | <extremis> | (as seen with mode2) |
| 23:51 | <extremis> | but it does with lirc_serial |