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01:07<bline>I guess everyone if out partying on friday night
01:07<bline>hey Chutt, how's things?
01:07<Chutt>pretty good
01:07<Chutt>i'm futzing around and breaking things
01:08<Chutt>good fun
01:08<bline>I had a suggestion about the color stuff and other picture options
01:09<mechou>was it my imagination or did this channel have less traffic than usual today?
01:10<bline>A menu key that brings up a slightly transparent menu to set those options instead of several keys for all the different options.
01:10<bline>mechou: yeah, much less.
01:11<Chutt>bline, 'zactly
01:11<mechou>is it because of the last weekend before 7/4? peeps going on vacation?....
01:11<Chutt>that's what i've been wanting to do
01:11<Chutt>mechou, i dunno. i was busy with work today
01:11<bline>yay! heh
01:13<Chutt>i'm pondering putting out 0.10 this weekend
01:13<Chutt>because it's at a decent place for a release
01:14<bline>I'm going to update tonight, see if anything breaks
01:14<Chutt>big internals change, buncha bug fixes
01:14<bline>I'll let you know
01:14<Chutt>i've been testing the decoder with quicktime movie trailers
01:14<Chutt>outta boredom, really
01:15<bline>I'd like to see it work on avi's :)
01:15<mechou>so the transition to single window UI is pretty much complete? (I haven't been following cvs since I'm packing for a move...)
01:15<Chutt>mechou, yeah, that's all done
01:16<mechou>Chutt, which decoder are you referring to?
01:16<Chutt>the one in mythtv
01:17<Chutt>aw, no fun, this doesn't do the older quicktime audio
01:18<mechou>forgive me if i ask stupid q's, but can myth decoder work on avi's w/o much code change?
01:18<Chutt>a/v sync's probably off
01:18<Chutt>but it should work just fine
01:18<bline>hmm, it didn't work for me
01:20<Chutt>i don't have any avis, though
01:20<Chutt>so =)
01:20<bline>download a few from me heh
01:20<mechou>Chutt, so avi and (myth)nuv are somewhat similar?
01:20<Chutt>mechou, hell no
01:20<Chutt>this is using the same code as the mpeg2 stuff uses
01:21<mechou>ah, gotcha....
01:21<Chutt>it's just a generic decoder using libavformat from ffmpeg
01:21<Chutt>anything it decodes should work
01:21<Chutt>seeking will only work in mpegs, though
01:24<mechou>seeking is not fram exact, right, only on GOP boundary (or whatever the terminology is?)
01:25<Chutt>seeking can be frame exact, if you're willing to take a little extra time to do it
01:25<Chutt>that's why it's a toggle box
01:27<Chutt>but, yeah, the fast stuff only happens on gop boundaries
01:27<Chutt>since that's what it keeps track of
01:28<mechou>so when you say fast/slow for frame exact, it's noticeable (human time, 1 sec or so depending on circumstances)?
01:30<Chutt>it's not a second
01:31<Chutt>but it's definitely noticeable
01:31<Chutt>especially remotely
01:31<mechou>yeah, I'm particularly sensitive to that, running networked backends...
01:33<mechou>on certain earlier cvs I feel like the commercial skip stuff took forever over the network. Local was fine...
01:34<Chutt>i believe commercial skip turns on exact seeks
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01:35<bline>am I the only one commercial flagging isnt happening for
01:36<Chutt>i don't do it automatically, so i dunno =)
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01:36<mechou>bline, when did you notice it not happening (i.e. cvs)
01:37<bline>it hasn't been flagging for me for a while now
01:37<bline>I set autoflagging, but not autoskipping
01:37<mechou>ever, even if you wait overnight?
01:37<bline>I usually dont watch my shows till the next day..
01:39<bline>guess I'll just setup a cron for mythcommflag -A
01:39<mechou>hmm, weird. I'm running cvs ~1.5 wk after 9.1 release. Seems to work for me, but definitely isn't as "snappy" as 0.8
01:40<mechou>I have noticed on occasion, certain funkiness with comm flagging
01:42<mechou>I forget the name of the table, recorded markup maybe? only get type 7's, no 4/5 types, which if I not mistaken correspond to comm start/stop...
01:43<mechou>or maybe it was 3/4, memory is foggy...
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01:54<mechou>gotta go to bed, later and thanks!
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01:57<FreddieD>Have any of you had issues with your tuner cards overheating and locking up your system?
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04:17<FreddieD>Do any of you use a wireless keyboard for your setups?
04:18<FreddieD>what kind do you recommend?
04:18<bline>dunno, using a MS keyboard and mouse
04:19<bline>be sure and get rechargable batteries
04:19<FreddieD>you using lirc to control it?
04:19<bline>yeah, and the keyboard
04:20<FreddieD>i guess i was just looking for a wireless keyboard setup that was compatible with lirc
04:21<FreddieD>my #1 fear is buying it and then finding out that it is completely incompatible with linux
04:21<FreddieD>cuz i'd like to use it in my myth frontend setup
04:21<bline>umm ok
04:21<FreddieD>that not a good reason?
04:21<bline>keyboards work on linux
04:22<FreddieD>all wireless keyboards work you mean?
04:22<bline>no, I mean all keyboards
04:22<bline>wireless has nothing to do with it
04:22<bline>the all connect to either usb or the ps2 keyboard port
04:22<FreddieD>ooh, so would i even need to make any lirc configurations?
04:23<FreddieD>or does the hardware handle all of it for me
04:23<bline>not unless you wanted to use a remote
04:23<FreddieD>I was thinking of having a universal remote capture certain keystrokes and control video that way
04:24<FreddieD>it sounds like it would work at least
04:24<bline>if you want to use a remote, get an irman
04:24<bline>if not, just get a wireless keyboard
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04:25<FreddieD>i was thinking the keyboard could double up as input for web TV
04:26<bline>well considering mythtv takes X keyboard inputs
04:36<bline>Web TV?
04:50<mithro>anyone know a where to get a good rf remote?
04:51<bline>radioshack maybe
04:52* blinejust guesses
04:52<mithro>i can't find anything apart from the ATI Remote wonder which is a bit on the pricey side
04:52<bline>you are the guy that can't use IR, right?
04:52<mithro>yeah for some reason my IR remote sucks
04:52<mithro>even at short distances
04:53<bline>I've not had problems
04:53<bline>maybe it's your reciever?
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05:21<mithro>bline: yeah it could be, it's a crappy tv board one
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13:07<rkulagow__>so, anything interesting happen while i was gone?
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13:13<mechou>anyone have a recommendation for a decent full duplex sound chip that's integrated on mobo (need to minimize pci slots) for use with myth?
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13:25<Chutt>rkulagow, welcome back
13:25<Chutt>just dumbasses on the mailing list as usual :p
13:27<yebyen>man do I love mythtv
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13:31<rkulagow__>thanks. got a few hundred messages to catch up on. might just be easier to send it to the trash.
13:42<Chutt>rkulagow, so, what do you want to do with that 'beginner's faq'
13:42<Chutt>i rather like how he 'finished' it and ignored all my comments
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13:51<rkulagow__>tell you the truth, i really haven't had the cycles to look at it all that much. i'll parse through it and make some suggestions after i've read what's on the mailing list. the redhat guys (cedar, axel matt, etc) have a bunch of stuff for the packaged version of mythtv that they'd like to incorporate, so there's plenty for me to do this weekend. plus, i'd rather spend most of my free time with the family since i haven't seen them fo
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14:02<Chutt>of course =)
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16:18<bline>Chutt: you around?
16:20<bline>trying to do that color stuff we talked about in channel.cpp, only problem I have is fields can be negative in v4l2
16:21<Chutt>i think that the db should store a fixed range
16:21<Chutt>and that should be translated to the available range only when it's getting/setting stuff
16:21<Chutt>since a lot of the controls vary in what numbers they accept
16:21<bline>ok, sounds like a plan
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16:54<just1nux>is it possible to use lirc with two different serial ports (one for input and one for output) at the same time? I cant fine anything anywhere talking about doing this.
17:40<bline>lirc doesn't do output, it translates ir signals into either X events or executes commands
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19:16<Chutt>i didn't know you could use 'and' instead of '&&' in c++
19:16<Chutt>(from the big rankings patch I just applied)
19:20<bline>me either heh
19:20<bline>is it just #define and &&
19:21<Chutt>probably something like that
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19:36<bline>Chutt: you see anything wrong with this conversion: ctrl.value = (int)((float)(qctrl.maximum - qctrl.minimum) / 65535) * contrast;
19:41<mechou>bline, maybe divide by 65535.0 (i.e. use a float, otherwise you get integer quotient?
19:42<bline>the cast takes care of that
19:42<bline>atleast it did in my tests :)
19:42<mechou>I'm not so sure of that, integer division ttakes precedence
19:43* blinedouble checks
19:44<mechou>In fact, all you need say is (max-min)/65535*contrast; casting isn't necessary.
19:44<bline>no, the cast works
19:45<mechou>so what (unexpected) result are you getting?
19:45<bline>that does not work, value returned by (max-min)/65535 must be a float
19:46<mechou>err, I'm confused, why are you casting to int again?
19:46<bline>mechou: none, I was just checking to see my conversion was correct, I feel odd about hard coding 65535 in there
19:46<bline>mechou: to avoid warnings
19:47<mechou>what's the warning?
19:47<bline>channel.cpp:426: warning: assignment to `__s32' from `float'
19:48<mechou>max and min are what intrinsic type?
19:48<mechou>also what's contrast type?
19:48<bline>contrast is an int, max and min are u32
19:49<mechou>I assume value is _s32
19:51<mechou>ty instead of (int) use (unsigned int) and see if you still get warning...
19:51<bline>I don't get the warnings with (int)
19:52<bline>hrmm, I take that back, it is a _s32, sorry
19:57* blinewonders why people post "how do I make this to work?" questions to the -dev list
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21:12<bline>anyone know why color settings are commented out in tv_play.cpp
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21:18<agar>anyone here
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21:42<agar>anyway awake?
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23:36<agar>does anyone know why my ati tv tuner's s video in is only working in black and white?