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00:00<extremis>what kind of blaster do you use?
00:01<Timon>I don't have a blaster, I use lirc_serial, not lirc_sir
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00:09<extremis>you can use lirc_serial with a blaster
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00:36<extremis>screw redhat
00:36<Timon>is anyone else having problems with xmltv 0.5.12 not grabbing the data?
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00:38<figgy>Timon: read the latest news on the myth tv site
00:39<Timon>I understand that. Thats not the issue
00:39<figgy>you in the US?
00:39<Timon>Yes, besides the post on the site says "or install current CVS."
00:39<Timon>My issue is with XMLTV not getting the data properly
00:40<yebyen>how nice, I've got cvs installed :) hehe
00:40<figgy>not a problem for me
00:40<yebyen>from like, a few days ago
00:40<Timon>getting list of providers for postal/zip code 99503, be patient..
00:40<Timon>Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/lib/perl5/site
00:40<Timon>figgy, you in us? yebyen you in us?
00:40<yebyen>i am in the us
00:40<figgy>yes, i am
00:40<Timon>both of you try running mythfilldatabase
00:40<figgy>but im on 5.10
00:40<Timon>I get errors like the one I posted above
00:40<yebyen>xmltv isn't working for me
00:40<figgy>i cant atm
00:41<Timon>figgy: I tried 5.10, same thing
00:41<yebyen>use of uninitialized value in concatenation
00:41<Timon>yebyen: why isn't it working?
00:41<Timon>yebyen: so then you have the same problem I'm having?
00:41<yebyen>is that what you're getting?
00:41<Timon>yebyen: yeah
00:41<yebyen>my cvs isn't exactly current though
00:42<Timon>yebyen: that error is from xmltv
00:42<Timon>I wanted to confirm that the problems I'm having weren't on my end.
00:42<yebyen>yeah, but it could be a result of needing to reconfigure xmltv
00:42<yebyen>with a newer version of mythtv
00:42<Timon>yebyen: I tried that
00:42<yebyen>i'm using 0.5.10 though
00:43<Timon>tv_grab_na --configure
00:43<Timon>blah blah blah
00:43<Timon>what is your postal/zip code ?99503
00:43<Timon>getting list of providers for postal/zip code 99503, be patient..
00:43<Timon>Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/lib/perl5/site
00:44<Timon>mandrake 9.1
00:44<yebyen>then it looks like an xmltv bug, or we both need a newer version of something else
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00:44<Timon>yebyen: I think its an xmltv bug. I believe zap2it changed the format of their site
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00:47<Timon>whats that yebyen?
00:51<Timon>whats evil yebyen?
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01:06<Timon>Latest grabber news
01:06<Timon>tv_grab_na broke right after 0.5.12 was released due to changes at the upstream site.
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11:28<jkolb>Um, did my last messages go through?
11:28<jkolb>Schema changes.
11:29<jkolb>I have a draft of some schema changes if you'd like to take a look:
11:29<Chutt>when'd you send it?
11:29<jkolb>Not email.
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11:30<jkolb>mIRC doesn't always inform me immediately when my connection drops.
11:30<jkolb>Wow. Almost an hour. Stupid mIRC.
11:32<jkolb>Well, I have to go to lunch now. Hopefully you won't be telling me how stupid these changes look when I return.
11:32<Chutt>you may want to use strings for some ids
11:33<Chutt>since that's what zap2it uses internally
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12:07<just1nux>Chutt...are you here?
12:08<just1nux>Chutt: I beleive I found the cause of the bug in the theming that I messaged you about last night.
12:23<Chutt>sorry for not responding =)
12:23<just1nux>its not the shadow at all, its the font size
12:24<just1nux>the shadow size matches the selected font size when a the recording is selected
12:24<just1nux>but the size of the type is actually from the "recfont"
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12:25<just1nux>just change the recoring font size to something different from the selected subtitle size and you'll see the problem.
12:25<jkolb>I was thinking that all the ids would be autogenerated.
12:30<jkolb>Oh, and two fields that I don't particularly like, but couldn't see an elegant way out of: guide.overlap (it would allow this program to overlap others, for manual recording) and record.yr (it seems like there might be a slight chance that seven years down the road, an errant recording might occur without it)
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12:48<just1nux>Chutt: screen shot of recording font size the theme bug.
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13:16<mechou>extremis, you there?
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13:18<extremis>I have irda on my mobo, I'm looking for adapters now
13:18<extremis>that may be my solution
13:19<mechou>saw you're giving up on actisys.
13:19<extremis>yeah, no one can help
13:19<mechou>Isn't that an IrDA solution?
13:19<extremis>and I tried everything
13:19<extremis>mechou: yes
13:20<mechou>IrDA is not suitable for infrared remote control, I don't care what anyone says
13:21<extremis>you want to build me a homebrew ?
13:21<mechou>Didn't you mention you had a logitech rx?
13:21<extremis>yes I do
13:21<extremis>it uses the lirc_serial driver (not /dev/ttyS0)
13:21<mechou>I got one and it works fine with lirc, but I dont have ec6000
13:21<extremis>got one of what?
13:22<mechou>logitech rx
13:22<extremis>you can tx with it?
13:22<extremis>do you have a pic?
13:22<extremis>I'd like to compare to mine
13:22<mechou>but you need a blaster?
13:22<extremis>yes, I need to control my ec6000
13:23<mechou>yeah, I think your best bet at this point is homebrew
13:23<mechou>not all that difficult to make if you got basic soldering skills
13:23<extremis>I can solder
13:24<extremis>but I don't hav eth part
13:24<extremis>I would rather pay someone to build/test it
13:24<extremis>test being the key part
13:25<mechou>I forget what its called, but you might want to get in touch w/ jon rhees. He posts frequently at girder
13:25<Chutt>just1nux, think i have that fixed
13:25<Chutt>give me a few minutes to test it, then i'll check it in
13:26<mechou>he makes and tests a device called universal IR tx/rx (UIRT2) that can be attached via USB
13:26<mechou>did you look into that?
13:27<extremis>nope, that works with lirc?
13:27<just1nux>Chutt: cool.
13:27<mechou>last I heard (4 months ago) he was working on linux drivers....
13:28<mechou>not sure if it works with lirc or (direct) input (kind of like joystick/joypad)
13:29<mechou>but if he has drivers it should work like you want it to.
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13:31<Chutt>just1nux, mind updating and seeing if that fixes it?
13:33<extremis>yeah, I was looking at it
13:33<extremis>seems more complicated than homebrew
13:34<mechou>extremis, actually, try this:
13:34<mechou>sheesh, what are you so worried about? you're doing linux and you want a *commercial* product?
13:37<mechou>get in touch with jon, see if has linux drivers yet. Otherwise he can give you pointer to a blaster that works in linux.
13:40<ca1vin>extremis: epo has all the parts
13:41<ca1vin>I think they even sell homebrews already made
13:41<mechou>yup, that's another option...
13:43<extremis>ca1vin: calling...
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13:47<extremis>hrm, which one do you go to?
13:47<extremis>the one on frondren?
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13:52<mechou>extremis, what did epo have to say?
13:54<extremis>they said they don't have homebrew infrared devices
13:54<extremis>but I'm sure they have the parts
13:54<mechou>extremis, you live in houston area?
13:55<mechou>I was going to suggest pioneer electronics if you wanted mail order....
13:56<mechou>but if you're in houston then epo would be best bet...
13:58<mechou>If you do decide to do a homebrew, might as well by parts for 3. guarantee you'll scre up the first one, and why build one when you can build 3 for the price of one?
14:02<extremis>yeah, what I'm concerned about is how will I know if I messed it up, because no one has confirmed that they can talk to the 6000
14:02<extremis>its an all or nothing situation for me
14:02<extremis>oh well
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14:04<mechou>which is why I asked you what IR protocol ec6000 uses a few days ago. Once you have that info you'll know what's compatible...
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14:07<mechou>and you'll know you messed up if homebrew can't talk to other devices (other than ec6000)....
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14:12<billytwowilly>anyone happen to have a recent cvs copy of the ati_remote module? the gatos webpage apears to be borked..
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14:32<just1nux>Chutt: i'm updating to current CVS and recompiling...ill let you know if its fixed.
14:39<mechou>extremis, another idea just occured to me re ec6000
14:40<mechou>does ec6000 have a data port somewhere in thaback or front, like a phone jack or DB9?
14:40<extremis>I wish it did
14:40<extremis>I would have used that originally
14:40<mechou>well, there goes that idea...
14:42<mechou>well, mabe you can open it up and just attach the serial cable to the ir port ;-)
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15:53<billytwowilly>hi, did zap2it bust xmltv?
15:53<billytwowilly>i'm getting "zap2it failed to give us a form to choose a Provider
15:53<billytwowilly>check with zap2it site postal/zip code t6r2b5 is valid"
15:58<justin>ah yeah, i was just goint to ask the same thing
15:58<justin>getting list of providers for postal/zip code 12222, be patient..
15:58<justin>Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/share/perl5/XMLTV/ line 589, <STDIN> line 3.
15:59<justin>then again on line 591, then the same error as you
16:05<billytwowilly>yah, I got that stuff before it, but I thought it was just unimportant stuff stemming from zap2it changing something.
16:05<billytwowilly>mailing list archives to the rescue.
16:07* justinfiles a debian bug
16:09<Chutt>grab 0.5.14
16:09<Chutt>should work now
16:09<Chutt>at least with cvs mythtv
16:09<thor>Chutt, so 0.11 shipping soon
16:10<Chutt>tonight or tomorrow
16:10<Chutt>then you can break stuff again :p
16:10<thor>yeah !
16:11<justin>oh you mean compile it?
16:11<thor>was away for a few days ... 200 -user list and 75 -dev list, very few complaints about stuff not working
16:11<Chutt>you could just download it and replace your installed version of with the one from the 0.5.14 tarball
16:11<Chutt>thor, yup
16:11<jkolb>stuff's not working!
16:11* justinfiled bug
16:12<Chutt>that's really not necessary, 0.5.14 was released like an hour ago
16:12<thor>aside from XMLTV, which a release will help
16:13<vektor>Chutt: v4l2 blows
16:13<justin>oh well, too late:)
16:13<vektor>Chutt: seems like bttv9 has bugs ;/
16:13<Chutt>vektor, are you having any problems with the queue stuff failing on you?
16:14<Chutt>like, all ioctls just returning errors
16:14<vektor>getting i/o errors for a bit
16:14<vektor>and crap like that
16:14<Chutt>i couldn't figure it out
16:14<Chutt>though i did minimize it a little
16:14<vektor>some odd problems with norm switching too
16:14<vektor>like i can't tell
16:14<vektor>am i supposed to set the norm after changing inputs?
16:14<Chutt>i think so
16:14<vektor>if i do that sometimes everything fucks up
16:14<vektor>i got bttv9 to panic
16:14<Chutt>from what i read of the v4l2 docs
16:15<Chutt>since the norm needs the input as a param, doesn't it?
16:16<Chutt>but, yeah, just seems like a load of buggy crap
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16:17<billytwowilly>hehehehe. you guys always release stuff in the evening of my only day off every month;)
16:18<jkolb>Wait, actually, I do have something that's not working. But it doesn't die in gdb.
16:18<jkolb>Playing back a recording or watching live tv. It prints out that it's going to use XV port 61, then segfaults.
16:19<Chutt>kinda need a backtrace
16:19<jkolb>It hasn't really bothered me recently, though, because I haven't been home long enough to watch anything.
16:19<jkolb>I tried to get you one, but like I said, it didn't die in gdb. It actually showed video.
16:19<vektor>Chutt: i think i'll post about my problems.
16:19<Chutt>time for counts/printfs
16:20<vektor>Chutt: i just wish there were less error cases
16:20<jkolb>Yeah. I have ultimate frisbee tonight and tomorrow, so the earliest I may be able to get to it will be Thursday.
16:20<vektor>like i wish all inputs had to support the same norms
16:20<vektor>else you need a new device
16:20<vektor>that would rock
16:20<vektor>same with frame sizes and stuff
16:20<vektor>the last thing i want is to have to reinitialize everything on input switch
16:21<jphman>i posted a msg to the list last night... is there a function to change inputs with the TV class similar to what TVRec has?
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16:21<Chutt>jphman, no, but it'd be easy to add one
16:23<jhurliman>Chutt: ok, I can add toggleInputs() and changeInput() tonight, should I implement the Channel or ChannelBase, or take another route?
16:24<Chutt>you'll have to send a request to the backend to change things
16:24<vektor>and it will barf because v4l2 sucks
16:25<Chutt>well, it's really only bttv
16:25<Chutt>ivtv works fine with my v4l2 code =)
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16:28<sfr>hi there
16:29<jhurliman>ok, is there a command to send to the backend to specify a certain input to change to, or only to toggle to the next input?
16:29<Chutt>i dunno
16:29<sfr>thor, remember me?
16:29<Chutt>i'm not remembering either way
16:30<sfr>i have a problem with the latest CVS of mythtv.
16:30<jhurliman>well i might have a couple new functions in the patch then, no big deal either way
16:31<vektor>Chutt: and saa7134
16:31<sfr>mythgallery and mythweather are working fine but not mythmusic or mythvideo. Here' the respUnable to iUnable to run plugin 'mythmusic': not initialized. Anyone has an idea?nitialize plugin 'mythmusic'. onse on the command line:
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16:37<sfr>ok, anyone listening :-)?
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16:39<sfr>let's try again (i'm all new to this irc stuff!), is there anybody out there?
16:39<Snow-Man>Alright,, and probably some others need to die.
16:40<sfr>Snow-Man: ??
16:41<Snow-Man>Ah, yes,
16:42<Chutt>find out who is
16:42<Chutt>since no one with that address is subscribed
16:44<Snow-Man>h5UFrW7t010264* 606 Mon Jun 30 11:53 <>
16:44<Snow-Man> (Deferred: No route to host)
16:44<Snow-Man> <>
16:44<jhurliman>call him up and ask ;)
16:45<Chutt>there, they're gone.
16:48<Snow-Man>This should be fun.
16:48<Chutt>ext3 sucks, btw
16:49<Snow-Man>oh, heh, true.
16:49<extremis>Chutt: what filesystem do you use to write your video data to?
16:49<Chutt>ext2 with the access/mod times turned off
16:49<extremis>why not a journaling filesystem?
16:49<Chutt>why would i need that?
16:50<justin>video data's metadata is ireelevent
16:50<Chutt>it's just recorded videos
16:50<Chutt>always can be replaced
16:50<sfr>anyone knows this error message: unable to initialize plugin mythmusic?
16:50<Chutt>sfr, recompile mythmusic against the current libmyth.
16:50<Chutt>if you're going to use cvs, you have to use the same version of cvs for everything.
16:51<sfr>yes i did that and mythweather/mythgallery just work fine only mythmusic and mythvideo fail.
16:51<jkolb>Ick. remotefile has a member QSocket *sock, and openSocket has a local QSocket *sock. That was confusing.
16:51<Chutt>the only way you can get that error is if you didn't.
16:52<sfr>Hm strange. i will do a clean checkout of cvs then.
16:52<Snow-Man>Oh, yeah, nuke this guy too:
16:52<sfr>i meant, another checkout
16:53<Chutt>sfr, why would you do something stupid like that?
16:53<Chutt>just update and do a make distclean.
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16:54<sfr>what do you mean. i used a script to checkout mythtv and ALL modules. But only mythmusic/mythvideo fail
16:54<extremis>So, if I wanted to do all my DVB reception (decryption) through another app, what is the best way to get the data into mythtv?
16:54<extremis>so it sees it as a source
16:55<justin>hmm, mythweb still things 45 is "CSPAN2" when its now "HBO2"
16:55<justin>grr, a few other channels were switched too..
16:55<Chutt>sfr, are you doing a make distclean in there at all?
16:56<Chutt>and if you're rechecking out cvs ever time, please hold on while i ban your ip address.
16:56<sfr>eh no i ran a make clean in the mythmusic dir.
16:56<Chutt>justin, best thing to do is wipe your channel/program tables
16:57<justin>Chutt: yeah, doing that now
16:57<justin>i didnt notice it until now, somehow mythbackend was still recording the right shows
16:57<justin>it just thinks the channel names are all called the wrong time
16:57<sfr>chutt, i don't delete the whole source tree and do a complete checkout every time, if you meant that.
17:00* justinwonders why pending recordings are in gray, and deactivated ones are in green
17:01<Chutt>because the person that added that to mythweb is silly?
17:01<extremis>deactivated or completed?
17:02<extremis>completed should be green
17:02<justin>i guess thats what he was thinking, green for recorded ok
17:02<extremis>ie ready to view
17:02<justin>but that is against the thinking of shows that have been already recorded "grayed out"
17:03<extremis>lost me
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17:04<justin>i think thats how it is in mythtv
17:04<justin>shows listed that wont be recorded are 'grayed out'
17:04<justin>not hilighted in green:)
17:04<extremis>yous aid the ones that are completed are green
17:05<justin>yes, thats how mythweb is
17:05<justin>i guess it can make sense either way
17:05<extremis>I don't use mythtv yet
17:05<extremis>still trying to get lirc working
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17:07<extremis>so, we can have multiple channel lists right?
17:07<extremis>one per input / per tuner
17:09<just1nux> can. you set up channel lists and then assign them to each tuner
17:10<Snow-Man>Jul 1 17:09:45 colo sm-mta[20529]: h61Kmpql013087: to=<>, delay=00:18:18, xdelay=00:00:06, mailer=esmtp, pri=1706620, [], dsn=4.2.0, stat=Deferred: 450 {mx006-rz3} Too many mails (mail bomb), try agai
17:10<Snow-Man>n in 7 hour(s) 44 minute(s)
17:10<Snow-Man>Alright, he can get nuked too.
17:10<Chutt>i think you should switch to a better mta :p
17:12<jkolb>exim's really nice. The configfile is actually manually parseable.
17:12<Peit|Home>Chutt: i don't know what it was in the 0.9.0 release that was stopping it working across the network, but it's fixed in CVS
17:14<extremis>ok, my DVB-s card is detected by my kernel
17:14<extremis>now to get output from it
17:14<just1nux>Chutt: what might this mean "offset is: 2 but size is 22" from payback screen...current cvs.
17:18<jkolb>Woo! I got preview pixmaps working in mythweb.
17:18<jkolb>Anyone know how to take a screencap in w2k?
17:19<jkolb>Hm. It didn't seem to generate any new ones. Only displayed ones that already existed. Damn.
17:20<Chutt>not giving it enough data or something on the generate query
17:20<just1nux>Chutt: this is only happening when the slave backend is running and is the message generated by the slave mythbackend.
17:21<Chutt>just1nux, did you recompile on your slave backend?
17:21<Chutt>sounds like you're running different versions
17:21<jkolb>Hm. I'm just sending QUERY_GENPIXMAP $filename
17:21<jkolb>$filename contains myth://host:port/path, IIRC.
17:22<just1nux>maybe ill try updating and recompiling it again
17:22<jkolb>It returns OK.
17:22<Chutt>jkolb, err, that query needs a programinfo struct
17:22<jkolb>Does it? Crap.
17:22<jkolb>I was hoping to get away easy.
17:22<Chutt>QStringList strlist = "QUERY_GENPIXMAP";
17:23<jkolb>Well, sure, if I want to follow what in the *code*.
17:24<Chutt>it actually used to only send the pathname
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17:26<jkolb>Heh. Permissions.
17:27<jkolb>There. Fixed.
17:27<sfr>Hey, looks nice.
17:27<jkolb>The headers are off by one now. Heh.
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17:38<Snow-Man>Chutt: You missing any mail at this point?
17:39<Chutt>not as far as i'm aware
17:39<Chutt>no, thanks =)
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17:39<Snow-Man>ok, I went back to closer to how it was before.
17:40<Snow-Man>persistant queue runners just don't seem to work very well unfortunately.
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17:40<Snow-Man>I still want to try and do something about multiple processes attempting to connect to the same host.
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17:41<Chutt>it should be aggregating those
17:41<Snow-Man>I turned connection cache'ing on which should help some things.
17:41<Snow-Man>Which is why you'll sometimes see 'idle' connections now.
17:41<Snow-Man>I thought it was on by default but I guess maybe not.
17:42<sfr>Chutt, of course you were right, recompiled everything and it's working now.
17:47<Snow-Man>Chutt: Hey, what was the time on the last msg you got?
17:47<Chutt>sent at 5:32
17:48<Chutt>1 minute www -> colo, 2 minutes to send
17:48<Chutt>nothing since then, though
17:48<Snow-Man>No posts since then...
17:49<Snow-Man>I don't think anyway
17:49<Snow-Man>Last two I saw were:
17:49<Snow-Man>in that order
17:50<Chutt>that previous one
17:50<Chutt>from lvcm
17:50<Chutt>took 10 minutes go from relay to www
17:50<Snow-Man>yea, I was fucking around w/ relay and stuff.
17:50<Snow-Man>Go post some stuff. :)
17:50<Chutt>i see
17:51<Chutt>i don't have anything to post right now
17:51<Chutt>i'll have something to commit to cvs in a second, though
17:51<Snow-Man>ok. :)
17:52<Chutt>just making sure it compiles
17:52<Snow-Man>What fun is that? :)
17:58<Snow-Man>There we go, couple messages there.
17:59<Snow-Man>How was the delay on those? :)
18:01<Chutt>4 minutes or so
18:02<Snow-Man>Probably about as good as it's gonna get.
18:02<Chutt>quite good
18:02<Snow-Man>Well, unless the lists are moved, but that probably won't reduce it all that much.
18:03<Snow-Man>I might look at that tonight.
18:03<Snow-Man>I have this odd hope that it won't be all *that* bad if I can maybe just tar everything up and copy it over.
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18:20<sfr>Ok, now on to another problem.
18:21<sfr>I have one remote frontend which was working fine with v 0.9.0
18:21<sfr>But with the latest CVS i only get a black screen when watching live tv or recordings.
18:22<sfr>Note that this frontend doesn't have a soundcard! (how useful :-))
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18:22<sfr>So what did i do wrong this time?
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19:54<just1nux> mysql.txt in cvs anymore?
19:55<just1nux>cuz i just did a fresh install on 2 machines and i didnt get that file either time.
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20:02<billytwowilly>will 0.10 be released tonight?
20:03<billytwowilly>today is Canada day and if it is going to be released I'm going to stay home and set it up. if it isn't then I'm going to go out drinking...
20:03<billytwowilly>save my liver, release tonight;)
20:04<mechou>ya mean save your brain cells ;-)
20:04<billytwowilly>heh, you haven't seen a relative linux newbie install myth before have you?;)
20:05<billytwowilly>many braincells die as head is banged against wall;)
20:05<mechou>seriously why don't you just grab cvs? That's pretty much what Isaac does, I think....
20:06<billytwowilly>I want to know what will be new. I may not even upgrade...
20:06<billytwowilly>mythtv is pretty much where I want it (except for that ugly xmltv and zap2it thing, which is motivation to upgrade). mythvideo needs much work though..
20:06<billytwowilly>that's what I'm interested in.
20:07<mechou>I think issac summarized what's new (so far) on
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20:07<billytwowilly>where abouts there?? I just see the xmltv thing..
20:07<billytwowilly>and purple galaxy thing..
20:08<billytwowilly>also, why doesn't mythmusic use the same keys for fastforward/rewind as mythtv?
20:08<billytwowilly>that would make more sense I think..
20:08<mechou>"current cvs news"....
20:09<billytwowilly>ahh. ok. that's old.. I thought there may be new stuff.
20:10<mechou>the only major "new stuff" that I'm aware of is new priorities for recording discussed on mythtv-users
20:11<thor>billytwowilly, regular myth uses left/right arrow for ff/rew
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20:12<billytwowilly>yah. but mythmusic doesn't appear to.. atleast when I have my remote bound to left/right arrow it doesn't ff/rw mp3s..
20:12<thor>mythmusic uses them to navigate the tree
20:13<billytwowilly>that's in a different window though... atleast in 0.9.1 it was.
20:13<thor>it (mythmusic) does now use the same keys for ff/rew that regular myth uses for jump forward/back
20:14<billytwowilly>ok, well looks like I'll have to muck about with my ati_remote file again to change some stuff;)
20:14<thor>billytwowilly, if you have keyboard accelerators and show whole tree on, you can navigate and play any track/playlist from the playback screen
20:16<billytwowilly>keyboard accelerators?
20:16<thor>it's in the general setup for mythmusic
20:16<billytwowilly>what exactly does it do?
20:17<thor>let's you use more than left/right/up/down space & escape with mmusic
20:17<thor>leaving the arrow keys free to navigate your music tree
20:18<billytwowilly>ok. I'll check it out when/if I upgrade. thanks for the info.
20:18<thor>enjoy Canada day
20:18<billytwowilly>heh, thanks.
20:18<billytwowilly>I'm not sure how much enjoyment I'll get though... stupid working at 7:30 am..
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20:41<Chutt>thor, the clock on your machine's off
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20:46<Scrye>im spending canada day cleaning house
20:49<Chutt>mdz, you around?
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20:52<billytwowilly>Scrye: I feel your pain.. I cleaned my room today.
20:52<Chutt>mdz, hi
20:52<mdz_>Chutt: evening
20:52<Scrye>Im moving sunday :/
20:52<Chutt>feel like packaging up a new release? =)
20:53<mdz_>Chutt: easy one?
20:54<Chutt>some minor changes to the add-ons modules
20:54<billytwowilly>I get to upgarde tonight then!
20:54<Chutt>they're shared libs and go in ${libdir}/mythtv/plugins/
20:55<Chutt>i think the only database update is in mythtv
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21:04<thor>mdz, I've lost track of it was fixed or not, but you may want to include index.html in mythweb or link to index.php from main.php
21:04<mdz_>thor: mythweb (0.9.1-2) unstable; urgency=low
21:04<mdz_> * Add a symlink, index.php, pointing to main.php
21:04<mdz_> -- Matt Zimmerman <> Wed, 11 Jun 2003 15:01:15 -0400
21:07<Chutt>snowman, are you going to make .debs of mythvideo?
21:08<Snow-Man>oh, hrm, I dunno, I guess I could.
21:09<Chutt>if not, what can i do to get the unpackaged addons packaged? =)
21:10<DrHayt>so for a backend are there any real performance reasons I might want to compile a custom kernel?
21:10<Chutt>not really
21:10<billytwowilly>Chutt: are you going to wait for the .debs to release 0.10?
21:11<Chutt>mdz, all the tarballs are up, normal names
21:12<mdz_>Chutt: all new plugins, too, I assume? same version number?
21:12<Chutt>yeah, all new plugins
21:12<Chutt>all 0.19
21:12<Chutt>err, 0.10
21:13<billytwowilly>so the website should be updated with 0.10 within the next hour? Sorry to be a bother, but if it isn't, I'm going drinking;)
21:14<Chutt>depends on how long it takes me to make a changlog
21:14<billytwowilly>ok, but reasonable expectation would be less than an hour?
21:14<Chutt>i dunno
21:15<billytwowilly>drinking it is;)
21:15<billytwowilly>My next day off is in three weeks;) If 0.11 is coming out, pretty please do it the day before I'm off work;)
21:21<mdz_>Chutt: I'm headed out to dinner; I'll probably get to at least mythtv and mythweb tonight
21:22<Chutt>i'll just put up a coming soon
21:22<Chutt>thanks =)
21:24<bline>yay for release
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22:01<Chutt>did i miss anything in the changelog on the website?
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22:11<Captain_Murdoch>advanced recording options screen and weekslot recording type if you want to put those up on there.
22:11<Scrye>stupid xmltv
22:12<Captain_Murdoch>if you put a name by the advanced screen, don't put mine, I just enabled and tested it. was it mdz that wrote that originally?
22:14<Scrye> /root/.mythtv//dev/video0.xmltv: format needs upgrading, re-run --configure
22:14<Scrye>which -configure?
22:15<thor>looks good to me
22:16<thor>right ... so, on to 0.11 ... have mythmusic broken up, but the backend should really be in *the* backend (sound card control), but then people will complain about having to run a back end.
22:19<bigman>mythmusic needs broken up?
22:19<jkolb>It's been in a bad relationship for a while now.
22:19<thor>frontend, backend. Light client, backend per sound card
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22:25<jkolb>Chutt: Are all the fields required to be filled in on the programinfo struct that gets sent on a QUERY_GENPIXMAP?
22:26<jkolb>I was going to pattern it off of a programinfo that gets built by GetProgramFromRecorded, but that doesn't fill everything in.
22:28<extremis>crap crap crap
22:28<extremis>I bought everything but the diods
22:28<extremis>I got the led emiters
22:28<extremis>blars didn't document the part #
22:28<extremis>I blame blars
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22:30<extremis>hah, he did document it
22:30<extremis>my printer cut it off
22:33<Chutt>thor, i think the backend should just serve files
22:33<Chutt>frontend should play em
22:33<Chutt>more like the existing architecture
22:34<thor>got this touchscreen thing in my head
22:34<thor>think Zaurus running frontend
22:34<thor>tap tap
22:34<Chutt>that's more of a web-based remote control
22:34<Chutt>i'd think, at least
22:35<Chutt>it could connect to a running frontend instance and tell it what to do
22:35<thor>or a "frontend" (in your sense), could accept simple socket commands
22:35<thor>same diff
22:35<Chutt>snowman was working on something similar
22:35<Chutt>just a listening socket with commands like 'play X'
22:36<Chutt>'go to screen Y'
22:36<Chutt>'channel change up'
22:36<thor>like I hear xmms does
22:36<thor>does backend know playlists?
22:36<Chutt>but the _backend_ would just serve files to remote frontends
22:36<Chutt>should it need to?
22:36<thor>I dunno
22:36<Chutt>i'd think playlists would be a frontend only thing
22:37<Chutt>they'd be shared between multiple frontends, of course
22:37<thor>then both need to talk to the database
22:37<thor>but the backend holds metadata in memory for performance
22:37<Chutt>so the backend would pull metadata out of the db
22:37<Chutt>and the frontends would query the backend for metadata?
22:37<Chutt>i dunno
22:38<thor>simpler to have the playlists there as well
22:38<thor>just memory structures
22:38<thor>no Qt/widgets
22:38<Chutt>i don't see how that'll save anything
22:38<Chutt>seems like just an extra layer of abstraction on top of the db
22:39<thor>people with 10,000 playlists only
22:39<thor>metadata in memory in the backend
22:39<thor>one frontend per machine/soundcard
22:39<thor>and the frontend understands a simple socket based command language
22:40<Chutt>i really don't see why the master backend server should have the metadata in ram
22:40<Chutt>especially when the frontends will have to duplicate all that in ram to display stuff
22:41<Chutt>easier to just have them load it from the db
22:41<thor>ok ... no backend ... just mythmusic module that understands socket commands
22:41<Chutt>well, the socket stuff'll go into libmyth
22:41<thor>all right, I'm done!
22:42<thor>socket commands can make myth start mythmusics, navigate, etc
22:42<Chutt>should be able to do everything, i'd think
22:42<thor>back to my nice light frontend
22:42<Chutt>'specially if you were wanting the zaurus to be a smart remote
22:43<thor>or equivalent (with crappy cpu)
22:43<Chutt>just a display
22:43<Chutt>pull some info off of the backend/db
22:44<thor>does every module get a gContext-based socket/event thingy ?
22:44<thor>(via lib)
22:44<Chutt>i'd think it'd be just one
22:44<Chutt>and they could then tell the context to add em to the list of people that want events
22:44<Chutt>get an event, then filter it out to see if they want it
22:45<thor>so one parser (in the lib), that posts events (not raw command strings)
22:45<Chutt>well, they could be similar to the existing events
22:45<Chutt>MythEvents are just a command string
22:46<thor>be nice to have some structure there, otherwise you're cutting and pasting parser snippets all over the place
22:46<thor>but I think I see where you're going
22:47<thor>some structural regualarity Module->Window->Action
22:48<thor>I'd still like a headless mythmusic that *only* does the socket command stuff, but that's easy
22:48<thor>(as a seperate executable)
22:49<thor>oh ... gotta run ....
22:49<just1nux>what needs to be in my theme for the rankings screen to work? and shouldnt it just use the stuff in the default folder?
22:50<Chutt>just cut'n'paste from the blue theme
22:50<Chutt>two new windows
22:51<just1nux>oh, ok ill look. I was thinking it wanted a new file...
22:51<Chutt>the code doesn't fall back to the default theme if it's only a missing 'window' section, so that won't work
22:51<Chutt>nope, still in ui.xml
22:51<just1nux>..maybe it should ;)
22:51<just1nux>less broken themes
22:52<Chutt>only one's broken right now
22:52<Chutt>well, 2 if you count liquid
22:52<Chutt>3 if you count yours, but you can't since it's not been released :p
22:52<just1nux>its a theme if one person is using it... :)
22:53<thor>disaster averted ... the Event mechanisms would have to be bi-directional
22:53<just1nux>btw i talked to moegreen earlier he asked me to email him the things i was talking about.
22:54<Chutt>thor, not a problem, really
22:55<thor>thin client needs strings back about what's actually taken place, postEventBackToWhateverSentLastEvent()
22:55<Chutt>need a MythClient struct
22:55<Chutt>containing a QSocket or whatnot
22:55<Chutt>pass that along with the event
22:56<Chutt>then it can do MythClient::sendReply("blah");
22:56<Chutt>writing freshmeat announcements sucks
22:56<Chutt>Changes: New Stuff.
22:57<thor>see homepage
22:57<Chutt>yeah, can't do that
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22:58<bbeattie>alright.. :) is there a way to specify the resolution and possition of mythfrontend? It's filling up 2 screens via xinearama, which I don't want it to do.. :-) no other apps do it...
22:58<thor>ok ... just so I'm clear ... no ability to have the remote talking to the tv doing a mythmusic frontend GUI that's changing what's happening to the myth backend in the dining room ...
22:58<thor>that wasn't clear
22:59<Chutt>bbeattie, mythfrontend -> setup -> appearance
22:59<Chutt>thor, no, that wasn't
22:59<thor>mythmusic GUI on tv in living room
22:59<thor>can't change music playing in dining room
22:59<Chutt>no frontend-> frontend communication
22:59<Chutt>backends don't play stuff, frontends do
23:00<thor>only super-light client can choose which frontend it talks to
23:00<Chutt>but, your 'smart remote' could pop up a list of available frontends
23:00<Chutt>and switch between em and stuff
23:00<Chutt>which would be rather cool with a wireless zaurus =)
23:00<thor>or a touchscreen pad
23:01<thor>well, this solves my problem of figuring out how to push music data along a socket for visualizations
23:01<Chutt>yeah, don't really want to do that
23:02<bbeattie>Chutt: there is nothing to select, the gui width, height, and xinearama options are simply text. Is there a config file for these?
23:02<thor>bbeatie, left right arrow
23:02<jkolb>Chutt: I've updated the QUERY_GENPIXMAP call, and I'm using defaults for category(" "), filesize(0), conflicting(0), recording(1), duplicate(0), sourceid(-1), cardid(-1), inputid(-1), and rank(" ")
23:03<Chutt>jkolb, check the backend's mainserver.cpp to see what's needed
23:03<Chutt>most of that stuff can be left out
23:03<Chutt>it still needs to be there in the list
23:03<Chutt>but it can be empty or junk numbers for the most part
23:04<bbeattie>bah, I didn't notice the options on the other monitor ;-)
23:07<extremis>has anyone used a geforce4 with dvi out to a tv with dvi in?
23:08<bbeattie>Chutt: anyway to have mythtv
23:09<bbeattie>to have mythtv's menu's on screen 0, and all tv, movies, visualizations on screen 1? :)
23:09<thor>bbeattie, not likely with current structure
23:09<thor>there is only one window
23:10<bbeattie>thor: hmm, I'll drool when/if it does. ... I'd be happy with just TV, as movie is easy to specify a geometry offset.
23:11<thor>you could downgrade to 0.9.1?
23:11<bbeattie>I am running 0.9.1 for a bit
23:11<thor>well then you may be able to set WM defaults to make things pop up where you like
23:12<bbeattie>.. something change in cvs that would effect what I'm trying to do?
23:12<bbeattie>.. is it broken in cvs, or is it how it's suppost to work?
23:12<thor>cvs is single window
23:12<thor>0.10 is single window
23:12<thor>this is referred to as "progress"
23:13<bbeattie>That's write.. what would be cool, is to have 2 windows, or the option for it. 1 for "menu" and one for "display".
23:14<thor>well ... very thin client in one window will "soon" be able to do this =)
23:14<jkolb>The only fields that the mainbackend uses are filename and hostname, it seems. Then it passes it off to a NuppelVideoPlayer. Too tired to continue looking right now.
23:14<thor>where "soon" is sometime between Friday and heat death of the universe
23:16<bbeattie>alright, restarting X, trying to get my projector to run in a HD res.
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23:19<extremis>what is the -- option for startx to tell available modeS?
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23:27<jkolb>Ugh. I'll try to figure it out more tomorrow.
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23:35<bbeattie>.. All my program information is gone in mythfrontend, the database exists, not sure if there's any information in it, but all recordings and all are gone. A mythfilldatabase reports an unexpected eof when trying to download data... any ideas? I'm using xmltv .10 (not .11)
23:36<bbeattie>It's been a week since the original filldatabase, so data probably was done...
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23:46<bbeattie>when entering my zip in mythtv-setup, I don
23:46<bbeattie>I don't get a selection box of providers to select. :-/
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23:57<Conaz_>quick question for you all. Installed CVS from this afternoon, I can watch live tv rtjpeg or mpeg4, when I schedule a recording that recording is a blue screen and I'm unable to watch live tv after that. Do I need to remove the old library files?
23:57<Conaz_>I can of course watch livetv again after restarting front/backends
23:57<Conaz_>This is the first time I've upgraded and have had a newer main library