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| 00:27 | <mikegrb> | heh |
| 00:27 | <mikegrb> | oops wrong window |
| 00:33 | <phar0e_> | hey mike, ever watch/record VHS tapes with mplayer? |
| 00:34 | <mikegrb> | no, sure haven't |
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| 00:35 | <mikegrb> | brb switching computers |
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| 00:41 | <Chutt> | mdz, hey, would it be possible to make things using the 'find all patching device names' stuff start with a default value/ |
| 00:41 | <Chutt> | since a lot of people don't go set the output dsp device |
| 00:43 | <grogan> | anyone have any thoughts about whether I should go with bt878 or a pvr-250 at this point? |
| 00:43 | <grogan> | this is going to be in a dual-tuner box |
| 00:43 | <Chutt> | depends on where you want to spend your money |
| 00:43 | <grogan> | yeh.. |
| 00:43 | <Chutt> | capture cards, or more cpu |
| 00:44 | <grogan> | and disk space, I suppose, or is the transcoding support becoming more usable? |
| 00:45 | <grogan> | the box this will be running on is fairly capable.. P4-3GHz |
| 00:45 | <Chutt> | i dunno |
| 00:45 | <Chutt> | i haven't heard anything from the transcoding guy in quite awhile |
| 00:45 | <grogan> | hmm |
| 00:46 | <Chutt> | i thought it was getting close, but.. |
| 00:46 | <Chutt> | i'm really quite pleased with the quality of the pvr-250 cards at 4500 kbps |
| 00:47 | <grogan> | that's good to hear.. |
| 00:47 | <Chutt> | and that's not _too_ large |
| 00:48 | <grogan> | is stability pretty good on the pvr250s these days? |
| 00:48 | <Chutt> | aside from problems on some via chipsets |
| 00:48 | <Chutt> | i still get the _very_ occasional complete system hang |
| 00:49 | <Chutt> | but that's maybe once every couple weeks |
| 00:50 | <grogan> | good to know.. glad I'm using an intel chipset at this point |
| 00:50 | <grogan> | I just want to set up something stable on the DTV service here before I run off to school again |
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| 00:57 | <grogan> | Chutt: you're a cwru alumnus, right? |
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| 01:20 | <mikegrb> | 'night people |
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| 02:17 | <Chutt> | captain_murdoch, you can't use that dispatchNow function like you're doing |
| 02:18 | <Chutt> | all the delete code expects to be run in the qt event thread |
| 02:18 | <Chutt> | not the calling thread |
| 02:20 | <Chutt> | basically, stuff's going to segfault randomly if autoexpire's turned on |
| 02:21 | <bline> | anyone know any software that will fix the broken mpeg's the pvr250 creates? |
| 02:21 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 02:21 | <Chutt> | how are they broken? |
| 02:22 | <bline> | vcdgear reports the packet size if wrong |
| 02:22 | <bline> | mplayer thinks this 1 hour show is only 41 minutes, and xine thinks it's 31 minutes |
| 02:23 | <bline> | this makes it impossible to transcode the mpeg.. |
| 02:23 | <Chutt> | huh |
| 02:23 | <Chutt> | weird |
| 02:24 | <bline> | running mythmkmovie, mencoder gets a SIGFPE because 2500 seconds puts it off the end of the file heh |
| 02:24 | <bline> | and it ends up dividing by zero |
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| 02:25 | <ahbritto> | bline: xine time tracking is supposedly fixed in CVS for pvr250 movies. |
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| 02:25 | <tmk> | hey chutt |
| 02:25 | <tmk> | you about? |
| 02:25 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 02:25 | <Chutt> | what's up? |
| 02:25 | <tmk> | think i may have a fix for that whine thing :) |
| 02:25 | <Chutt> | nice |
| 02:25 | <Chutt> | want me to test it or something? |
| 02:26 | <tmk> | do you have a way to determine if the audio is actually stereo |
| 02:26 | <tmk> | or mono? |
| 02:26 | <Chutt> | hm |
| 02:26 | <Chutt> | other than listening to it? |
| 02:26 | <tmk> | cause i think what we've been passing off as mono |
| 02:26 | <tmk> | might be stereo |
| 02:26 | <tmk> | heh |
| 02:26 | <Chutt> | current cvs is definitely mono |
| 02:26 | <tmk> | yeah there's a small thing in current cvs |
| 02:26 | <tmk> | by default the msp thinks it's in PAL land |
| 02:27 | <Chutt> | well, cvs from a few days ago |
| 02:27 | <Chutt> | at least |
| 02:27 | <tmk> | so when it autodetects |
| 02:27 | <tmk> | it does it wrong :) |
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| 02:27 | <Chutt> | well |
| 02:27 | <Chutt> | i can always go test it on my tv box |
| 02:27 | <Chutt> | which is hooked up to a prologic decoder |
| 02:27 | <tmk> | i think using test_ioctl and setting pal, then back to NTSC should fix it |
| 02:27 | <tmk> | does that tell you if it's stereo or mono? |
| 02:27 | <Chutt> | if everything comes out of the center speaker, it's mono =) |
| 02:28 | <tmk> | haha fair enough |
| 02:28 | <tmk> | lemme go check and make sure it sets it right |
| 02:28 | <tmk> | with just setting ntsc -> pal -> ntsc |
| 02:28 | <mechou> | extremis, how goes it? |
| 02:28 | <Chutt> | hmm |
| 02:35 | <Chutt> | tmk, still seems to be mono if i do that |
| 02:35 | <tmk> | yeah |
| 02:35 | <tmk> | there's another problem i just found |
| 02:35 | <tmk> | ima have to make a new tarball |
| 02:35 | <tmk> | gr |
| 02:35 | <Chutt> | make a quick diff |
| 02:36 | <tmk> | sure |
| 02:36 | <tmk> | one sec |
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| 02:36 | <tmk> | you have diff flag preferences? |
| 02:36 | <Chutt> | -u |
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| 02:42 | <Chutt> | tmk, i _think_ that got it |
| 02:42 | <Chutt> | i can't turn the stereo up very loud right now, though |
| 02:45 | <tmk> | or? |
| 02:45 | <Chutt> | or what? |
| 02:45 | <Chutt> | wife's sleeping |
| 02:45 | <tmk> | cant turn it up or what |
| 02:45 | <tmk> | ahh |
| 02:45 | <tmk> | well |
| 02:45 | <Chutt> | it is almost 3 am :p |
| 02:45 | <tmk> | i'm glad that's all it was |
| 02:45 | <tmk> | heh you're quite a trooper ;) |
| 02:45 | <Chutt> | but i'm getting audio from the surround speakers |
| 02:45 | <tmk> | cool |
| 02:46 | <Chutt> | can't tell if the whine's there or not with the volume as low as it is, though |
| 02:46 | <tmk> | hehe i'll test |
| 02:46 | <tmk> | i just wanted to be sure it was actually stereo |
| 02:46 | <Chutt> | well, it is =) |
| 02:46 | <tmk> | cool |
| 02:46 | <tmk> | bbl |
| 02:48 | <tmk> | whine's gone :) |
| 02:49 | <Chutt> | excellent |
| 02:49 | <Chutt> | thanks =) |
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| 02:52 | <Chutt> | just1nux, if you see this, there's a line of not transparent stuff at the bottom of the 'watch recordings' watermark image |
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| 03:14 | <tmk> | chutt: cvs tarball is up with latest code |
| 03:15 | <tmk> | if you want to point people in that direction |
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| 08:27 | <jkolb> | Chutt, Snow-Man: http://www.greyshift.net/preview-8.patch if you'd like to try it. Gets rid of a warning if the preview pixmap doesn't already exist before the call to genPixmap and the backend is local. (Using is_file() instead of the return value from copy() to test for existence) |
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| 08:55 | <mdz_> | Chutt: I thought it did start with a default value |
| 09:05 | <Captain_Murdoch> | mdz, do you know what he meant up above about the event thread vs calling thread? |
| 09:05 | <Captain_Murdoch> | talking about the auto-delete stuff and dispatchNow() |
| 09:14 | <Captain_Murdoch> | Chutt: I'm heading out on the road for a few hours and will take a look at that when I can this afternoon. I posted a message to the -dev list about it. |
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| 09:30 | <mdz> | Captain_Murdoch: yeah, the qt callbacks run in a different thread |
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| 10:40 | <Chutt> | captain_murdoch, it's mainly the programinfo.cpp functions that use the default database connection |
| 10:41 | <Chutt> | those are all supposed to be called from the main qt event thread |
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| 11:31 | <bline> | Chutt: remeber that issue I had with sound cutting out? |
| 11:31 | <bline> | Chutt: Updating the firmware fixes it |
| 11:31 | <Chutt> | really? |
| 11:31 | <Chutt> | cool |
| 11:32 | <Chutt> | you see that tmk fixed audio last night? |
| 11:32 | <Chutt> | finally =) |
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| 11:32 | <bline> | yeah, and I have stereo yay! |
| 11:32 | <Chutt> | which firmware? |
| 11:33 | <bline> | 0x02030021 |
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| 11:33 | <bline> | enc-2.03.021.bin |
| 11:33 | <Chutt> | is that pvr250_16_21062.exe? |
| 11:34 | <bline> | I tried enc-2.03.207.bin but I had no sound with that one |
| 11:34 | <bline> | I dunno, I'm getting them from https://craxor.com/ivtv/ |
| 11:34 | <Chutt> | i'm apparently using 2.03.207 |
| 11:34 | <Chutt> | from a strings on the enc.bin |
| 11:35 | <bline> | ivtv says the version when it loads in syslog |
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| 11:35 | <Chutt> | 0x02030207 |
| 11:36 | <bline> | with any audio bitrate lower than 288 my sound is _real_ messed up |
| 11:36 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 11:36 | <bline> | playing with that gui thingy I'm writing |
| 11:36 | <Chutt> | in mythtv, or elsewhere, too? |
| 11:37 | <bline> | it's a standalone app, it's like the one that comes with the pvr for windows |
| 11:37 | <Chutt> | no no, playback with lower audio bitrates |
| 11:39 | <bline> | yeah, with myth |
| 11:40 | <bline> | good point though, I should test with other players |
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| 11:41 | <bline> | it's broken on mplayer and xine |
| 11:41 | <Chutt> | ok, good, so it's not me, then |
| 11:42 | <bline> | it's broken more on mplayer and xine actually |
| 11:49 | <mikegrb> | but of course, mythtv is the greatest of them all ;-) |
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| 12:12 | <Snow-Man> | So, how are the lists doing anyway? |
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| 12:56 | <Conaz> | Snow-Man: too many messages after not reading them since last Thursday... guess you cannot really do anything there though ;) |
| 12:56 | <mikegrb> | heh, yesterday was a very busy day for list traffic |
| 12:58 | <Snow-Man> | Conaz: Not quite. :) |
| 13:13 | <Conaz> | Snow-Man: list seems quite fast today |
| 13:13 | <Conaz> | My post didn't take too long |
| 13:14 | <Snow-Man> | Good. |
| 13:16 | <extremis> | so I just got an email from this place in germany that says that he has nagravision capable cam interfaces |
| 13:16 | <extremis> | so that means that we can use them with the DVB cards in the US for dishnet |
| 13:17 | <extremis> | I'm going to order one |
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| 14:42 | <choenig> | sfr: around? |
| 14:58 | <vektor> | um, this michael hammel guy is on crack |
| 14:58 | <vektor> | just posted to the xfree86 list |
| 14:59 | <Chutt> | hm? |
| 14:59 | <vektor> | should i reply there, or will someone on the mythtv list reply? |
| 14:59 | <vektor> | Subject: [XFree86] Relationship of XVideo to V4L |
| 14:59 | <Chutt> | where's the xfree list? |
| 14:59 | <vektor> | eek, sorry for the extra spaces. |
| 14:59 | <vektor> | To: XFree86 Mailing List <xfree86@XFree86.Org> |
| 14:59 | <vektor> | Cc: MythTV Development <mythtv-dev@snowman.net> |
| 15:00 | <Chutt> | he's just a random dumbass that's trying to get things working on totally unsupported hardward |
| 15:00 | <Chutt> | hardware |
| 15:00 | <vektor> | his capture card is supported |
| 15:00 | <vektor> | it must be supported anyway, since he gets some picture through some xvideo interface, doesn't it? |
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| 15:00 | <Chutt> | he's not using a capture card |
| 15:00 | <vektor> | uh |
| 15:01 | <tmk> | Chutt: are your ears feeling better? |
| 15:01 | <Chutt> | everything's integrated on his motherboard |
| 15:01 | <Chutt> | tmk, sorry, i've been working, haven't had a chance to test more |
| 15:01 | <vektor> | oh, and the cyberblade driver provides an xvideo interface? |
| 15:01 | <tmk> | hehe s'ok |
| 15:01 | <vektor> | to tune it? |
| 15:01 | <Chutt> | vektor, i have no idea |
| 15:01 | <vektor> | ok |
| 15:01 | <Chutt> | vektor, apparently he runs a program to change channels on it |
| 15:01 | <vektor> | ok |
| 15:01 | <vektor> | well he must be able to see it |
| 15:01 | <vektor> | so it must be using the xvideo putvideo stuff |
| 15:01 | <Chutt> | straight overlay, no capture? |
| 15:02 | <Chutt> | i've never really looked at how that works |
| 15:02 | <vektor> | with putvideo it's when the capture card/video card are integrated |
| 15:02 | <vektor> | but there's an X "v4l" module that can fake this |
| 15:02 | <vektor> | but you basically just tell X where the video card should show video on the screen |
| 15:03 | <Chutt> | ok, so it's not capturing at all |
| 15:03 | <vektor> | right, it likely isn't. |
| 15:03 | <vektor> | his driver likely doesn't support capture. |
| 15:03 | <sfr> | choenig:yes, hi |
| 15:05 | <choenig> | sfr: I think, Ill have a look at your stuff later tonight :-) |
| 15:05 | <sfr> | choenig ok, fine. |
| 15:06 | <choenig> | but, what do you mean, call the calculation only once at startup, you mean while the mythtfrontend/stuff is running? |
| 15:07 | <sfr> | i mean, the timezone offset won't change while mythfilldatabase runs, so it doesn't need to be calculated for every parseProgram block, only once. |
| 15:08 | <choenig> | ah, oh yeah, thats a good point ;) |
| 15:08 | <choenig> | s/;)/:)/ |
| 15:11 | <mikegrb> | you forgot to escape the necessary characters ;) |
| 15:12 | <choenig> | I hope you know what I meant, anyway :) |
| 15:13 | <sfr> | sure, |
| 15:14 | <mikegrb> | sorry... just bored out of my mind |
| 15:15 | <mikegrb> | can't do any work until thursday probably |
| 15:15 | <sfr> | mikegrb, what happened? |
| 15:16 | <vektor> | aargh, need moderator approval for mythv-dev |
| 15:16 | <vektor> | looks like it'll never get posted :) |
| 15:16 | <mikegrb> | just started a database driven report running and I got to wait for it to finish before I continue, it runs at the equiv. of nice 19 |
| 15:17 | <mikegrb> | ran 1/12 of the data through and that took 5 hrs... therefore about 2.5 days :-/ |
| 15:17 | <sfr> | mikegrb ok, you code on mythtv? |
| 15:17 | <mikegrb> | heh |
| 15:17 | <mikegrb> | I have submitted a patch |
| 15:17 | <mikegrb> | well two |
| 15:18 | <sfr> | i wondered why all the program info isn't stored in UTC format. Would make the switch between DST/ST much easier, wouldn't it? |
| 15:19 | <mikegrb> | If that was to me, possibly because it is grabbed in localtime (most likely for na anyway) and displayed in localtime so no need for conversion |
| 15:20 | <mikegrb> | you do have a point though |
| 15:20 | <Chutt> | it'd be quite silly to convert it to something |
| 15:20 | <Chutt> | and then convert it again |
| 15:20 | <Chutt> | whenever you wanted to use it |
| 15:20 | <mikegrb> | Chutt: hoenig> s/;)/:)/ |
| 15:20 | <mikegrb> | oops |
| 15:20 | <mikegrb> | :-/ |
| 15:21 | <mikegrb> | Chutt: there was just a post to the devel list about someone wanting a 'passthrough' mode for live |
| 15:21 | <sfr> | Chutt well, maybe from you're point of view, but you also have DST periods in parts of the US? |
| 15:21 | <sfr> | Chutt, here in Europe DST is standard. |
| 15:21 | <Chutt> | sure |
| 15:22 | <Chutt> | the upstream tv listings source doesn't deal with it |
| 15:22 | <Chutt> | so i don't see how i can |
| 15:22 | <mikegrb> | Chutt: TV, I'm thinking it would be difficult to modify myth to support this or continue w/ my route from yesterday and try to combine tv time to a degree (osd etc) |
| 15:22 | <mikegrb> | basically which way should I lean torwards accomplishing it? |
| 15:23 | <mikegrb> | I must say I was very impressed with the picture from TV time but it seems like it would be easier to make the stuff in myth do this then try to rework tvtime as a plugin |
| 15:24 | <extremis> | I'm surprised, dish network is actuallybeing really cool about DVB cards |
| 15:24 | <extremis> | one engineer already called me back |
| 15:24 | <sfr> | Chutt, simple (well, the theory at least) , you know the backend's timezone, the timezone the XMLTV data is in, so it's a simple calculation. |
| 15:24 | <extremis> | he's going to talk with some buddies |
| 15:24 | <mikegrb> | extremis: :-) |
| 15:24 | <Chutt> | sfr, there's absolutely no point in doing extra conversions every single time i want to talk to the database. |
| 15:25 | <extremis> | mikegrb: I havn't tested the ir blaster yet, that will happen tonight |
| 15:25 | <extremis> | but it feels like its going to work |
| 15:25 | <mikegrb> | good, I wish good luck upon your household |
| 15:25 | <extremis> | :) |
| 15:25 | <extremis> | and yours |
| 15:26 | <extremis> | http://www.linuxdvb.tv/documentation/cim.html |
| 15:26 | <sfr> | Chutt, except when dealing with DST changes, no? |
| 15:26 | <extremis> | so as long as nagravision cim's work with dishnet, I'll order me a magicmodule and CI |
| 15:26 | <Chutt> | sfr, and as i said, the upstream data doesn't deal with dst changes, so how can i support it? |
| 15:27 | <Chutt> | i don't give a damn about anything besides tv_grab_na |
| 15:27 | <mikegrb> | extremis: how much money is all the components run? |
| 15:27 | <Chutt> | and, realisitically |
| 15:27 | <extremis> | mikegrb: for dishnet + dvb? |
| 15:27 | <vektor> | mikegrb: you don't make all of tvtime as a plugin, our deinterlacer layer is already modular enough. |
| 15:27 | <extremis> | probably about |
| 15:27 | <extremis> | $500 |
| 15:28 | <Chutt> | how often do you record crap at 3 am? |
| 15:28 | <extremis> | but that is due to shipping |
| 15:28 | <extremis> | overseas shipping isn't cheap |
| 15:28 | <vektor> | mikegrb: it wouldn't be hard to just call the appropriate functions at the right time, there are just two important things you need to handle: |
| 15:28 | <vektor> | mikegrb: you need to handle display at 60fps when your input is only 30fps, and you need to handle 4:2:0->4:2:2 conversion. |
| 15:28 | <sfr> | Chutt, sorry maybe i'm naive but they tell you _their_ local timezone. |
| 15:29 | <mikegrb> | extremis: oh, that isn't as bad as I thought |
| 15:29 | <Chutt> | vektor, it's a fairly small mod to display at 60fps |
| 15:29 | <Chutt> | in the current output loop, at least |
| 15:29 | <vektor> | Chutt: coool, it's pretty easy for me to do a fast 4:2:0->4:2:2 converter :) |
| 15:29 | <mikegrb> | vektor: thanks... I looked at some code last night but it was late... power went out at home on my way home and ended up with some disk problems to sort out |
| 15:30 | <mikegrb> | I plan on working more on it tonight |
| 15:30 | <sfr> | image a DST change in two days, now you fetch program data for 7 days, so (i think) you'll end up with program data with different start/stop times in mythconverg. |
| 15:31 | <mikegrb> | I guess I will focus more on allowing mythfrontend to run with mythtv taking the video directly rather then through the backend and the ringbuffer |
| 15:31 | <vektor> | mikegrb: does it matter, why do you need it to be live anyway? |
| 15:31 | <vektor> | that seems like a useless exercise |
| 15:32 | <mikegrb> | vektor: get rid of compression artifacts and what not... there was a message on the dev list short while ago about someone wanting to be able to play video games as well through mythtv |
| 15:32 | <vektor> | if you wanted to do that, you should just add a system( "tvtime" ) in an appropriate menu or something in mythtv |
| 15:32 | <vektor> | same as the snes9x plugin that i think exists |
| 15:32 | <vektor> | something like that |
| 15:32 | <Chutt> | why the hell would you want to play video games through mythtv? |
| 15:32 | <mikegrb> | vektor: that was the direction I was going, but I wanted myth's OSD and TV guide and what not |
| 15:32 | <vektor> | seriously. |
| 15:32 | <Chutt> | that's really, really stupid |
| 15:33 | <mikegrb> | Chutt: your guess is as good as mine |
| 15:33 | <sfr> | Chutt, maybe i'll be bothered enough by this in september to start looking at it (with a patch as the target) |
| 15:33 | <mikegrb> | my processor just doesn't cut it for great live tv quality, had to tune the compression settings, pre-recorded looks great |
| 15:34 | <mikegrb> | after speaking to vektor yesterday though I don't think it is the processor but the PCI bus being maxed out that is causing me choppiness |
| 15:34 | <sfr> | chutt, but this will take a looong time, took me 2-4 hours yesterday to create a 10 line patch to mythfilldatabase. :-) |
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| 15:36 | <Chutt> | vektor, i approved your reply to the list |
| 15:36 | <vektor> | Chutt: you rock my world. |
| 15:36 | <Chutt> | you're special |
| 15:36 | <sfr> | Chutt: btw, i sent yet another l10n patch to the dev-list a few (03/07) days ago. probably you just missed it. |
| 15:36 | <Chutt> | i don't do that for anyone :p |
| 15:36 | <Chutt> | yes |
| 15:36 | <Chutt> | sorry |
| 15:36 | <sfr> | Chutt, no prob |
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| 15:55 | <extremis> | http://www.satmania.com/eng/catalog/decoders/magicmodule.html |
| 15:55 | <Chutt> | jkolb, preview-8.patch does not apply cleanly |
| 15:55 | <jkolb> | It doesn't? |
| 15:55 | <jkolb> | I bet I know why. I edited it manually, and forgot to change the range of the replacement. |
| 15:55 | <Chutt> | hmm |
| 15:55 | <Chutt> | maybe it does |
| 15:55 | <Chutt> | 'sec |
| 15:56 | <Chutt> | patch: **** malformed patch at line 164: Index: recorded.php |
| 15:57 | <Chutt> | if i remove the first big of the file, and just patch recorded.php and settings.php after that, it's fine |
| 15:57 | <jkolb> | Try getting it again. |
| 15:58 | <Chutt> | that worked |
| 15:58 | <jkolb> | Yeah, I just had to change the replacement range from 127 to 126 lines. |
| 15:58 | <jkolb> | *sigh* I feel like such an idiot sometimes. |
| 15:59 | <Chutt> | works pretty well |
| 15:59 | <jkolb> | Feeling like an idiot? Yeah, I find that it works for me. |
| 15:59 | <Chutt> | 'cept for one of these recordings that it can't generate a pixmap for |
| 16:00 | <jkolb> | Just one? |
| 16:00 | <Chutt> | it's a bad recording i keep around to test stuff with |
| 16:01 | <Chutt> | can't be played |
| 16:01 | <jkolb> | Ah. The warning that gets printed, you mean? |
| 16:01 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 16:01 | <jkolb> | I suppose I should check for existence before attempting the copy. |
| 16:03 | <jkolb> | http://www.greyshift.net/preview-9.patch |
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| 16:04 | <Chutt> | yup, better |
| 16:04 | <jkolb> | Shall I have the main script not print the <img> tag if the preview doesn't exist? |
| 16:05 | <Chutt> | doesn't really matter |
| 16:05 | <jkolb> | I don't like little red x's |
| 16:07 | <Chutt> | hey, cool |
| 16:08 | <Chutt> | apparently i'm supercillious and sometimes downright insulting to confused beginners |
| 16:08 | <thor> | supercillious .... |
| 16:08 | <thor> | no way |
| 16:08 | <thor> | pedantic yes |
| 16:08 | <thor> | but supercillious ? |
| 16:08 | <thor> | =) |
| 16:08 | <mdz> | supercilious is pretty accurate |
| 16:08 | <mdz> | arrogant disdain and suchlike :-) |
| 16:09 | <thor> | oh .. yeah |
| 16:09 | <thor> | that sounds right |
| 16:09 | <mdz> | I don't know about downright insulting, though |
| 16:09 | <mdz> | maybe sidelong insulting |
| 16:09 | <thor> | to those who take life a wee bit too seriously |
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| 16:11 | <jkolb> | http://www.greyshift.net/preview-10.patch should stop red xs from appearing if the preview doesn't actually get generated |
| 16:11 | <Chutt> | that was from a private email from ray olszewski to rkulagow and me |
| 16:11 | <Chutt> | i always enjoy his emails |
| 16:11 | <thor> | I guess I can stop hitting Check Mail now ... |
| 16:12 | <rkulagow_> | i guess i joined a few minutes late. |
| 16:13 | <Chutt> | rkulagow, i was just mentioning on how i'm apparently supercilious and sometimes downright insulting to confused beginners |
| 16:13 | <thor> | rkulagow, choose the expression that best describes Chutt (1) supercillious, (2) downright insulting, (3) sidelong insulting, or (4) pedantic |
| 16:13 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 16:13 | <ahbritto> | o_O |
| 16:14 | <rkulagow_> | only four choices? not enough. |
| 16:14 | <Chutt> | i like how the guy tries to use big words to make himself sound smart |
| 16:15 | <rkulagow_> | chutt: if you'd take vektor's approach instead of the "it works for me" approach, you'd be carried through the streets on the shoulders of the thankful masses! :) |
| 16:15 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 16:16 | <sfr> | so how's vektor's method, then? |
| 16:16 | <rkulagow_> | ok, bbl. got to finish getting all the crap off the company laptop so i can get my severance check and all that jazz. |
| 16:18 | <rkulagow_> | fukk! 462 messages in -users? what can you people possibly be talking about?!? |
| 16:18 | <rkulagow_> | it' |
| 16:18 | <rkulagow_> | s just TV! |
| 16:19 | <Chutt> | people are babbling all over the place |
| 16:20 | <rkulagow_> | ugh. _another_ xmltv version? |
| 16:20 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 16:25 | <tmk> | i think users are generally ungrateful |
| 16:25 | <tmk> | they expect their free software to work |
| 16:25 | <tmk> | and demand free support |
| 16:25 | <Chutt> | i demand free support |
| 16:25 | <tmk> | and you got it |
| 16:25 | <Chutt> | yea yea |
| 16:25 | <tmk> | :P |
| 16:26 | <Chutt> | i got you a bunch of new users, though, so it's a fair exchange |
| 16:26 | <tmk> | hehe |
| 16:26 | <tmk> | yes |
| 16:26 | <tmk> | if i implement a fbdev tho |
| 16:26 | <tmk> | you'll owe me |
| 16:26 | <tmk> | :P |
| 16:26 | <Chutt> | yeah |
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| 16:26 | <Chutt> | i'll surely help out with testing and stuff |
| 16:26 | <tmk> | cool |
| 16:27 | <tmk> | so is s/w development your day job |
| 16:27 | <tmk> | or just a hobby |
| 16:27 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 16:27 | <Chutt> | day job |
| 16:27 | <tmk> | cool |
| 16:27 | <tmk> | just a hobby for me |
| 16:28 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 16:28 | <Chutt> | mythtv's my 'i'd like to do something with a computer besides work-related junk' project |
| 16:30 | <tmk> | cool |
| 16:30 | <tmk> | how do you deal with code submissions? do you check them extensively first |
| 16:30 | <tmk> | or just throw em in |
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| 16:31 | <Chutt> | i check most stuff |
| 16:31 | <Chutt> | always apply patches by hand |
| 16:31 | <tmk> | eh? |
| 16:31 | <Chutt> | but some bugs fall through, of course |
| 16:31 | <tmk> | you mean typing it in? |
| 16:31 | <tmk> | or.. |
| 16:31 | <Chutt> | typing in/cut'n'paste |
| 16:31 | <tmk> | ya i patched one in and it broke stuff |
| 16:31 | <tmk> | so i've been doing it that way too |
| 16:32 | <Chutt> | easiest way for me to keep up with what's going in |
| 16:32 | <tmk> | yep |
| 16:32 | <Chutt> | for people with cvs commit access, i go over their commits generally |
| 16:32 | <tmk> | i tell people to stay out of the driver tree |
| 16:32 | <tmk> | and let them write utils |
| 16:33 | <tmk> | :) |
| 16:33 | <tmk> | speaking of which |
| 16:33 | <tmk> | a UI will be out soon |
| 16:33 | <tmk> | have to test it tonight |
| 16:33 | <Chutt> | bline's? |
| 16:33 | <jkolb> | tmk: Is the ivtv-commits list ever going to see the light of day? |
| 16:33 | <tmk> | like a control panel |
| 16:33 | <tmk> | ya blines |
| 16:33 | <jkolb> | I demand it! :P |
| 16:33 | <tmk> | jkolb: hmm maybe |
| 16:33 | <tmk> | hehe |
| 16:33 | <tmk> | for free i bet |
| 16:33 | <jkolb> | Well, since you offered... |
| 16:34 | <Chutt> | if there were a cvs commits list, i could write snide emails about the record_v4l2 script whenever it's updated |
| 16:35 | <tmk> | hahah |
| 16:35 | <jkolb> | record_v4l2 seems to have a commit list already. |
| 16:35 | <Chutt> | 'Isn't the cvs commits list the appropriate place for such messages?' |
| 16:35 | <tmk> | poor james |
| 16:35 | <rkulagow_> | jkolb: yeah, but it's called ivtv-users |
| 16:36 | <jkolb> | Well, yeah, he lets tmk share it. |
| 16:36 | <Chutt> | oh, there's a -users list? |
| 16:36 | <rkulagow_> | yeah, it's called ivtv-devel ;) |
| 16:36 | <tmk> | haha |
| 16:36 | <tmk> | okok |
| 16:37 | <rkulagow_> | thank you, thank you, i'll be here all night. don't forget to tip your waitresses! |
| 16:37 | <tmk> | i need to get an admin assistant |
| 16:37 | <Chutt> | doesn't sourceforge set up a commits list for you and all that? |
| 16:37 | <tmk> | sort-of |
| 16:37 | <rkulagow_> | bbl. |
| 16:37 | <tmk> | john was doing all that |
| 16:37 | <tmk> | but he got owned by his job |
| 16:37 | <jkolb> | Sorry, the waitresses are supposed to work for free. Everyone else around here does. |
| 16:37 | <Chutt> | wow, active forums on sf.net |
| 16:38 | <tmk> | heh.. i haven't looked at those in awhile |
| 16:39 | <tmk> | wow someone found a bug |
| 16:41 | <tmk> | and someone said "where do i get firmware" |
| 16:41 | <tmk> | they obviously read the docs |
| 16:50 | <jkolb> | Oh, yeah, Chutt: What would you say to changing the preview pixmap generation to allow a time parameter? |
| 16:50 | <jkolb> | Not that I would expect you to do it, of course, but if it's doomed from the outset, I wouldn't want to make the patch. |
| 16:53 | <Chutt> | sure |
| 16:53 | <Chutt> | go for it |
| 17:03 | <just1nux> | love the new autoexpire per recording stuff. makes my life much easier. |
| 17:04 | <just1nux> | with rankings and autoexpire, i think mythtv is finally a "set and forget" application. |
| 17:05 | <jkolb> | just1nux: I'd just like to add my praise of the visor theme. I'm anxiously awaiting the matching OSD theme. |
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| 17:11 | <tmk> | does myth overlay closed captioning? |
| 17:12 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 17:13 | <tmk> | is it encoded in the mpg somehow? i know so little about it |
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| 17:13 | <Chutt> | well |
| 17:13 | <Chutt> | i don't know 'bout mpeg |
| 17:13 | <tmk> | in .nuv then? |
| 17:13 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 17:13 | <Chutt> | just some custom code |
| 17:13 | <tmk> | ya |
| 17:13 | <tmk> | that doesn't apply to pvr cards ;) |
| 17:13 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 17:15 | <just1nux> | jkolb: thanks. |
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| 17:27 | <sfr> | Chutt: is a mythbackend backtrace of any use without the 'handle SIGPIPE nostop' gdb command prior to starting mythbackend? |
| 17:36 | <Chutt> | well, unless it died on a sigpipe, sure |
| 17:36 | <sfr> | No, it died b/c of SIGSEGV |
| 17:37 | <sfr> | Chutt, will send the bt to the dev-list soon. |
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| 17:59 | <mdz> | it shouldn't die on a sigpipe, but gdb will stop anyway |
| 17:59 | <mdz> | silly gdb |
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| 18:29 | <zaheer> | hi |
| 18:29 | <zaheer> | anyone used an actisys ir-200l? |
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| 18:37 | <mdz> | yes |
| 18:38 | <zaheer> | i am having a problem with it not receiving anything in irw...testing something now |
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| 18:43 | <zaheer> | even tried with a standard sony remote...getting nothing in irw |
| 18:44 | <zaheer> | and nothing in mode2 |
| 18:44 | <zaheer> | mdz: did u manage to receive anything in irw? |
| 18:45 | <zaheer> | lirc is compiled with -with-driver=act200l |
| 18:47 | <zaheer> | gonna try the other machine again... |
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| 18:55 | <zaheer> | cooool |
| 18:55 | <zaheer> | it works! |
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| 19:23 | <activelo> | anyone have an idea why upgrading to xmltv .14 and myth .10 would break the filling script? |
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| 19:26 | <activelo> | do I need to upgrade my frontend along with my backend server? |
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| 19:33 | <mikegrb> | activelo: yes you need to upgrade them together |
| 19:43 | <Ripp> | did the pgup/pgdn keymappings get reversed somewhere along the way? |
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| 19:46 | <activelo> | mikegrb: thanks.. |
| 19:47 | <tdb30_> | can I bother you guys a bit about the lirc stuff? Like for instance has anyone any experience with the homebrew receiver and recording with irrecord? |
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| 19:54 | <tdb30_> | humm. maybe I fixed it |
| 19:54 | <tdb30_> | I guess the next step is to get mythtv working with the remote |
| 20:02 | <tdb30_> | okay quick question. If I want mythtv to change the channel of my cable box I have to write a script to use lirc's rc command to do it? or is there already a mythtv/lirc interface |
| 20:06 | <zaheer> | look in the contrib directory |
| 20:06 | <zaheer> | there is a channel.pl |
| 20:07 | <zaheer> | you may need to edit it |
| 20:07 | <tdb30_> | danke |
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| 20:08 | <zaheer> | like i had to replace the sleep 1 that is sent between digits to a select call that slept for 125 milliseconds instead, and also i didnt need the enter being sent after the numbers |
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| 20:49 | <tdb30_> | ARRRG.. whats the format for the lircmd.conf file? are the asterisks the name of the controler? |
| 20:50 | <mikegrb> | :-) |
| 20:50 | <mikegrb> | oops |
| 20:51 | <mikegrb> | wrong window :-/ |
| 20:51 | <tdb30_> | ;) |
| 20:51 | <mikegrb> | sorry I can't help you though... I don't use lirc |
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| 21:44 | <tdb30_> | okay all that is working. Now to figure out why lirc is choppy |
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| 21:58 | <Chutt> | moegreen, hey |
| 21:58 | <moegreen> | Chutt: hey Chutt |
| 22:00 | <Chutt> | how goes? |
| 22:01 | <moegreen> | it's going well - the guy who runs my dns and webserver is in the process of moving so everything is messed up w/ mail and what not |
| 22:02 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 22:02 | <tdb30_> | humm.... slowly I'm getting there. can someone tell me how to get the remote to work to select items in mythtv? I copied the sample lircrc file to my directory and edited it for my remote. Is there anything else I have to do? |
| 22:02 | <Chutt> | run irxevent |
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| 22:03 | <tdb30_> | ahh I thought lircd called irxevent on an event. |
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| 22:18 | <tdb30_> | still doesn't work. says sending event keyname RIGHT but nothing happens at the menu |
| 22:30 | <tdb30_> | all all better |
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| 22:51 | <ahbritto> | Captain_Murdoch: You here? |
| 22:52 | <mdz_> | moegreen: what is /tmp/weather.jpg for? |
| 22:53 | <moegreen> | mdz_: it's the radar map |
| 22:54 | <mdz_> | moegreen: yes, but what is it used for? I don't see any code which reads it |
| 22:54 | <mdz_> | only writes it |
| 22:54 | <moegreen> | mdz_: it's specified in the weather-ui.xml theme file |
| 22:54 | <mdz_> | ah, it's in the ui.xml |
| 22:54 | <mdz_> | moegreen: how would you feel about moving that file into ~/.mythtv? |
| 22:55 | <moegreen> | mdz_: I don't see a problem with that |
| 22:55 | <mdz_> | moegreen: it's a bit of a security problem as-is |
| 22:55 | <mdz_> | not that mythweather installations are generally multiuser |
| 22:56 | <moegreen> | mdz_: ah... |
| 22:57 | <mdz_> | moegreen: does anything else use that part of the ui code? |
| 22:58 | <moegreen> | mdz_: you mean the weather.jpg file? |
| 22:58 | <mdz_> | moegreen: I mean the <filename> stuff which looks in /tmp |
| 22:58 | <mdz_> | UIGuideType::LoadImage |
| 22:58 | <moegreen> | BarType::LoadImage |
| 22:59 | <mdz_> | that too |
| 22:59 | <moegreen> | UIGuideType::SetArrow |
| 23:00 | <Scrye> | noticed station unavailable (8 NEWSNET), re-run --configure |
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| 23:00 | <Scrye> | which --configure? |
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| 23:09 | <yebyen> | so, what happened to the server :) |
| 23:14 | <moegreen> | which one? |
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| 23:27 | <ahbritto> | Captain_Murdoch_: I had an idea... Could you look for the bummers that surround commerical breaks too and mark them as commericals? |
| 23:27 | <ahbritto> | s/bummers/bumpers/ |
| 23:29 | <Captain_Murdoch_> | ahbritto, they're harder to detect but once I get other detection methods working like sound then that may be possible. |
| 23:30 | <ahbritto> | So just looking for a blanking gap of 5-10 seconds next to a normal commerical would work too poorly? |
| 23:30 | <ahbritto> | a blank then 5-10 seconds of non-blank... |
| 23:33 | <Captain_Murdoch_> | yeah, would sometimes catch shows. |
| 23:34 | <Captain_Murdoch_> | I've seen the 30-second stuff catch the beginning of a show before on Law & Order. |
| 23:34 | <ahbritto> | Oh well. :/ |
| 23:34 | <Captain_Murdoch_> | it wouldnt' be that bad but I don't want to put it in unless there's other ways to verify it's not part of the show. |
| 23:35 | <ahbritto> | Sounds like the wise thing to do. |
| 23:35 | <Captain_Murdoch_> | I know what you mean though. kinda bugs me when I can skip all or most of the commercials every time but see that same 3-5 second bumper after every comm break. |
| 23:35 | <mikegrb> | Perhaps further down the line tweaks for channels or maybe time of day... very many 2 min commercials on daytime cable here :-) |
| 23:35 | <ahbritto> | Before and after every break. |
| 23:36 | <Captain_Murdoch_> | yeah, I've seen those and the less-strict code in CVS should catch some of those 120-second commercials. |
| 23:36 | <mikegrb> | oh okay :-) |
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| 23:37 | <mikegrb> | now that you mention it I think MacGyver has been better since yesterday |
| 23:37 | <ahbritto> | I'd like to try implementing some signature stuff, but I need to catch up on my own stuff first. |
| 23:37 | <Captain_Murdoch_> | I think I had the regular code checking 120 seconds but took it out. now that I have it refined more I think I can put it back in if it's strict. |
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| 23:40 | <mythtv_> | Does anyone know the status of atsc/liba52 in myth's player? |
| 23:40 | <Captain_Murdoch_> | Just added a line to try to catch the 120 second spots even in aggressive mode as long as they are within 10 frames of being exactly 120 seconds. If they differ more than that it won't detect. |
| 23:40 | <mikegrb> | :o) |
| 23:40 | <ahbritto> | mythtv_: What are you using for an atsc source? |
| 23:41 | <mythtv_> | I have a way. |
| 23:41 | * ahbritto | winces |
| 23:41 | <mythtv_> | boradcaste atsc |
| 23:42 | <ahbritto> | I want affordable hardware for linux.... |
| 23:42 | <mythtv_> | broadcast .. |
| 23:55 | * Captain_Murdoch_ | wonders where Chutt is |
| 23:56 | <Chutt> | here |
| 23:56 | <Chutt> | i've got a commit pending to fix the threading issues i mentioned last night |
| 23:58 | <Captain_Murdoch_> | that's what I was going to ask about. :) |
| 23:58 | <Captain_Murdoch_> | sorry about that. I'm out of town working and was just able to get online. |
| 23:58 | <Chutt> | no problem |
| 23:58 | <Captain_Murdoch_> | are you going to be committing soon? |
| 23:58 | <Chutt> | similar issues in the transcoding stuff |
| 23:58 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 23:58 | <Captain_Murdoch_> | with the message passing? |
| 23:59 | <Chutt> | well |
| 23:59 | <Chutt> | it's mainly that you were using the default database connection in a different thread and not locking it |