| 00:23 | <tdb30_> | I'm still having issues with choppyness. I can't figure it out. |
| 00:27 | <mikegrb> | out of curiosity, do you have a pci or agp vid card? |
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| 01:13 | <tmk> | hey chutt |
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| 01:26 | <jhurliman> | I'm seeing a "Not removing top most widget, error" in a plugin I'm working on, what is the cause of this error? |
| 01:28 | <Chutt> | not removing the top window first |
| 01:28 | <Chutt> | tmk, yo |
| 01:28 | <jhurliman> | i fixed it, but i have no idea how :) |
| 01:28 | <tmk> | heya chutt: can i make you head of user support for ivtv? |
| 01:28 | <tmk> | i'm too nice.. heh |
| 01:28 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 01:28 | <Chutt> | i'm not? =) |
| 01:29 | <Chutt> | just ignore people |
| 01:29 | <tmk> | you tell them to fix it |
| 01:29 | <tmk> | i try to fix it for them |
| 01:29 | <Chutt> | i'm all for people fending for themselves |
| 01:30 | <tmk> | yeah |
| 01:30 | <tmk> | i usually do that when it's a one-off bug |
| 01:30 | <tmk> | ie 1 user has the problem |
| 01:30 | <tmk> | how's about you adding some audio encoding options to myth for ivtv |
| 01:31 | <tmk> | now that there's a good interface |
| 01:31 | <tmk> | well.. a v4l interface |
| 01:31 | * tmk | pushing v4l into unexplored realms: audio! |
| 01:33 | <FreddieD> | i like that idea! |
| 01:33 | <FreddieD> | Chutt for president! |
| 01:33 | <FreddieD> | if you do it, you can have a night with my sister |
| 01:33 | <jhurliman> | another question... is the color/brightness/contrast controls only available with v4l2? i'm using the v4l and bttv included in 2.4.21 kernel and not seeing it work |
| 01:34 | <tmk> | hmm.. in v4l2 they're "controls" |
| 01:34 | <tmk> | not sure how v4l did it |
| 01:34 | <jhurliman> | ok, i'll upgrade to v4l2 and see if that changes things thx |
| 01:34 | <tmk> | well the driver has to support it |
| 01:34 | <tmk> | v4l2 is just an interface to it |
| 01:35 | <jhurliman> | well, i'll upgrade to the latest bttv also, that way i'll have no idea if the v4l2 or new bttv fixed it, but be happy if it works :) |
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| 01:42 | <Chutt> | just update to cvs mythtv |
| 01:42 | <Chutt> | and the v4l picture controls work |
| 01:42 | <Chutt> | they were broken in 0.10 |
| 01:45 | <Chutt> | tmk, i need to do some other code first before i can do the ivtv specific settings |
| 01:47 | <tmk> | ok cool |
| 01:47 | <tmk> | just put it on the list somewhere |
| 01:48 | <tmk> | does myth set the codec stuff for ivtv at all yet? bitrate etc |
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| 01:56 | <Chutt> | nope |
| 01:56 | <Chutt> | same other code i have to write first |
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| 02:25 | <bline> | mornin |
| 02:25 | <bline> | egads, how many times do you think I can mess up a patch |
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| 02:36 | <Chutt> | bline, is it safe to apply yet? =) |
| 02:36 | <bline> | heh, yeah I think so possibly |
| 02:37 | <Chutt> | remind me tomorrow if you don't see it committed before then |
| 02:38 | <bline> | I forgot to mention it fixes some weirdness when it can't find the movieDirector |
| 02:38 | <bline> | okie |
| 02:39 | <bline> | QString::arg() has no way to not interpret %number btw, I had to use sprintf |
| 02:44 | <Chutt> | huh |
| 02:44 | <Chutt> | thought it would, oh well |
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| 02:47 | <bline> | I'm finding I kinda like C++ |
| 02:47 | <bline> | and the Qt libraries are rather nice |
| 02:48 | <Chutt> | i really like qt |
| 02:48 | <Chutt> | just the fact that they've got just about everything documented |
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| 04:01 | <thor> | (besides some sort of fundamental rewrite that generates another 10-50% playback speed gain)? |
| 04:01 | <Chutt> | i'm playin a game :p |
| 04:01 | <thor> | ah |
| 04:01 | <thor> | never mind |
| 04:04 | <thor> | I really, really, really dislike government in all forms |
| 04:04 | <thor> | ... doing taxes ... |
| 04:05 | <Chutt> | heh |
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| 10:02 | <bline> | wheee |
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| 11:08 | <KikoV> | hi... in an Epia M 9000, which fit better? myth or freevo? |
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| 11:57 | <extremis> | blah, no responses on my actisys for a homebrew email :( |
| 11:57 | <extremis> | I don't think I'll ever get mythtv working |
| 12:04 | <extremis> | has anyone made the improved transmitter than can talk to me about expected voltages? |
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| 12:49 | <ahbritto> | extremis: ATI Remote AIW works almost instantly with out lirc. It's usb. |
| 12:49 | <Chutt> | that's not a transmitter, is it? |
| 12:50 | <ahbritto> | It's a rf remote. |
| 12:50 | <ahbritto> | Has a mouse like interface too. Seems nice. |
| 12:50 | <Chutt> | he wants a transmitter :p |
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| 12:51 | <ahbritto> | Isn't there a better place to go for lirc help? |
| 12:55 | <sfr> | Chutt, re: this 'unknown command: ??ERY_RECORDER' messages from the backend, i checked the memory with memtest for a few hours -> 0 errors found. |
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| 13:01 | <Chutt> | you could try to figure out where the query's getting corrupted, then |
| 13:02 | <sfr> | how would i start this? |
| 13:03 | <Chutt> | following the path of from where it sends the query from the frontend |
| 13:03 | <Chutt> | putting in couts occasionally to see if it's still the same |
| 13:04 | <sfr> | ah, ok, will start playing with the source. |
| 13:07 | <sfr> | btw, saw this message about 'probelms when using 'M' for guide' on the users list? i get this message 'Invalid date 2003-71-02' too sometimes. |
| 13:09 | <tmk> | heh. the 71st of febuary..only happens on leap years |
| 13:09 | <tmk> | err February |
| 13:10 | <KikoV> | do you know if there is a linux distro like freevix with mythtv? |
| 13:14 | <Conaz> | KikoV: you mean one that has mythtv pre-packaged? |
| 13:15 | <KikoV> | yes |
| 13:15 | <Conaz> | I don't believe so, although there are maintainers out there keeping up rpms and debs |
| 13:17 | <Conaz> | Of course even with the packages you still have to do most of the hard work anyway, which is getting all the required packages going |
| 13:17 | <KikoV> | ummm... |
| 13:18 | <Conaz> | The destination is well worth the journey though |
| 13:18 | <Chutt> | conaz, the whole point of the packages is not needing to worry about prerequesites |
| 13:19 | <Conaz> | Do those packages include all the xmltv, alsa, and other requirements? |
| 13:19 | <Chutt> | alsa's not a requirement |
| 13:19 | <thor> | The journey is it's own reward |
| 13:19 | <Chutt> | but, yes |
| 13:19 | <Conaz> | Ahh, I hadn't actually installed from the packages, perhaps my next install I'll give it a try |
| 13:19 | <mikegrb> | thor: yes, I'm content just having a working myth setup w/o using it ;) |
| 13:20 | <ahbritto> | KikoV: gentoo now has mythtv and xmltv ebuilds |
| 13:21 | <KikoV> | ahbritto: umm, but I'm using debian... |
| 13:21 | <KikoV> | I want to install it into an epia m 9000... |
| 13:21 | <KikoV> | it doesn't seem to be working good |
| 13:21 | <Chutt> | there's debian packages linked to on the website |
| 13:21 | <Chutt> | the m9000 is seriously underpowered for software video encoding |
| 13:22 | <KikoV> | there is people using freevo with m9000 |
| 13:22 | <KikoV> | much ppl... |
| 13:22 | <Chutt> | freevo doesn't encode. |
| 13:23 | <mikegrb> | 3:15 < clavicle> http://bentlogic.net/roblevin.php |
| 13:23 | <Chutt> | just think about it -- that chipset has problems _playing back_ dvds |
| 13:23 | <mikegrb> | oops |
| 13:23 | <mikegrb> | sorry guys slip of the mouse in putty |
| 13:23 | <Chutt> | decoding is a _lot_ easier than encoding |
| 13:23 | <KikoV> | Chutt: it has mpeg2 decoder... |
| 13:23 | <Chutt> | not in linux it doesn't |
| 13:23 | <Chutt> | the mpeg2 decoder is completely not functional |
| 13:23 | <KikoV> | in linux? |
| 13:23 | <Chutt> | yes. |
| 13:24 | <KikoV> | there were drivers... libmmpeg.so? |
| 13:24 | <Chutt> | unreleased, nothing uses them |
| 13:24 | <Chutt> | completely unfunctional. |
| 13:24 | <KikoV> | I have the sources of the XFree86 drivers, but I haaven't the mpeg encoder :( |
| 13:24 | <KikoV> | decoder, sorry |
| 13:25 | <Chutt> | the xfree86 stuff's only Xv support, and fairly crappy Xv support at that, as it does some colorspace conversion in software |
| 13:25 | <KikoV> | so, mythtv doesn't work at all? |
| 13:25 | <Chutt> | it'll work, just at really low resolutions |
| 13:25 | <Chutt> | you're using the equivalent of a p2-400 or so |
| 13:25 | <KikoV> | Chutt: I have my KDE 3.1. in the epia workin perfecly |
| 13:25 | <vektor> | Chutt: the Xv code has alot of problems. lots of weird errors from users with tvtime. |
| 13:25 | <jkolb> | Colorspace conversion sucks. |
| 13:25 | <Chutt> | vektor, the via stuff? |
| 13:25 | <vektor> | Chutt: yes. |
| 13:26 | <Chutt> | vektor, it doesn't crop properly |
| 13:26 | <Chutt> | other than that, it seems to work fine |
| 13:26 | <vektor> | well the user says it's squished up to the left hand side of his window |
| 13:26 | <Chutt> | but i'm using yuv420p, of course |
| 13:26 | <vektor> | yeah, we get some purply lines and stuff with the drivers too |
| 13:26 | <vektor> | well this is just what he tells me, i have no epia board. |
| 13:26 | <Chutt> | vektor, i found a bug in the nvidia xv stuff =) |
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| 13:26 | <vektor> | Chutt: which bug? :) |
| 13:27 | <vektor> | i found bugs too and had them fixed pretty speedily. |
| 13:27 | <Chutt> | it doesn't scale down from 1920x1080 to normal desktop resolutions very well |
| 13:27 | <Chutt> | uses like 25% cpu on my 1800+ |
| 13:27 | <vektor> | on which graphics card? |
| 13:27 | <Chutt> | gf4-ti4200 |
| 13:27 | <vektor> | oh, nasty. |
| 13:27 | <vektor> | email mark. |
| 13:27 | <tmk> | did you see that via was thinking about releasing their source to linux developers? |
| 13:27 | <Chutt> | eh, doesn't really matter |
| 13:27 | <vektor> | he'll reply to you. |
| 13:27 | <vektor> | well at least ask him why. |
| 13:27 | <tmk> | there's a link on their site to request source |
| 13:27 | <Chutt> | tmk, they've said that for months :p |
| 13:28 | <Chutt> | kikov, basically, if you want to use an epia board to do video encoding, you _need_ a hardware encoder |
| 13:28 | <Chutt> | the cpu doesn't cut it for software encoding |
| 13:28 | <tmk> | i'll be testing software decoding tonite btw :) |
| 13:28 | <tmk> | err |
| 13:28 | <tmk> | hardware |
| 13:28 | <Chutt> | cool |
| 13:28 | <KikoV> | Chutt: well.. at the moment I want to test it with the epia m9000 with low resolution. |
| 13:29 | <Chutt> | so do that |
| 13:29 | <Chutt> | should work fine |
| 13:29 | <Chutt> | just look horrible |
| 13:29 | <vektor> | Chutt: i'm having some people complain about my OSD text when they run tvtime on 480x576 :) |
| 13:29 | <vektor> | speaking of looking horrible :) |
| 13:29 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 13:29 | <Chutt> | mine looks ok :p |
| 13:30 | <vektor> | :) |
| 13:30 | <vektor> | i think mine looks ok too |
| 13:30 | <Chutt> | now that i've fixed a bug with descenders |
| 13:30 | <vektor> | their problem is their overlay scaler |
| 13:30 | <vektor> | it sucks |
| 13:30 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 13:30 | <vektor> | the nvidia one is nicer. |
| 13:32 | <KikoV> | Chutt: then, I can't see TV without encoding with mythtv? |
| 13:32 | <Chutt> | right |
| 13:32 | <Chutt> | that's the whole point. |
| 13:33 | <KikoV> | ouch... |
| 13:33 | <Chutt> | can't quite pause/seek without encoding |
| 13:33 | <Chutt> | you could always just have it run xawtv or tvtime or whatever for tv |
| 13:33 | <Chutt> | but that's fairly silly |
| 13:33 | <KikoV> | ummm... anyway... I think it should appear something... |
| 13:33 | <KikoV> | :P |
| 13:34 | <Chutt> | you need to be using the via driver from xfree cvs |
| 13:34 | <Chutt> | for Xv stuff to work at all |
| 13:34 | <just1nux> | watching tv through a computer without encoding just seems pointless to me. why not just hook you tv signal to the tv. :p |
| 13:40 | <KikoV> | just1nux: WELL... it's very easy... a Homegateway must be only a box |
| 13:40 | <KikoV> | with a Screen |
| 13:40 | <KikoV> | and very simple interfaces... |
| 13:41 | <KikoV> | And advance TV could be done with a Little Box through-passing TV to the Screen, or showing more information ( services ) |
| 13:42 | <KikoV> | you see the EPIA Box as a 'computer'... Users have to see it as a complement to the TV... |
| 13:42 | <Chutt> | i see it as a overpriced slow motherboard, really :p |
| 13:42 | <Chutt> | micro-atx and flex-atx stuff isn't all that much larger, and you can put actual cpus on them |
| 13:42 | <KikoV> | It can see the DVD's, DivX's, Play music with images... |
| 13:43 | <KikoV> | Chutt: it has to be like a video... |
| 13:43 | <Chutt> | like a video? |
| 13:43 | <KikoV> | Chutt: I don't imagine a P2.4 under my TV... |
| 13:43 | <Chutt> | why not? |
| 13:43 | <KikoV> | 24h/7days |
| 13:43 | <vektor> | it can't play DVDs in linux |
| 13:43 | <Chutt> | what's different between that and a epia motherboard? |
| 13:43 | <vektor> | it's underpowered. |
| 13:43 | <KikoV> | Chutt: because a P2.4 only consume aprox 250 watts... ( like 5 lights ) |
| 13:44 | <Chutt> | no, they don't |
| 13:44 | <KikoV> | Chutt: and epia motherboard is really small, compact, with a low consume... |
| 13:44 | <Chutt> | they're not any louder, since the fans on my m-10000 is rather noisy |
| 13:44 | <KikoV> | a P2.4 need a fly to cold them |
| 13:44 | <Chutt> | the m10k is louder than my xp 1800+ |
| 13:44 | <Chutt> | kikov, even a 1 ghz celeron would be several times faster than a m9000 |
| 13:44 | <KikoV> | my m-9000 have a fan... I think I can take it out without any problem... |
| 13:45 | <Chutt> | it wouldn't be much warmer, if at all |
| 13:45 | <KikoV> | Chutt: umm, I have been using the mplayer, and I get asthonished... |
| 13:45 | <Chutt> | that's nice |
| 13:45 | <KikoV> | besides that, a box with an epia can cost about 300euros ( large amount ) |
| 13:46 | <KikoV> | and a Pentium Box... the 500 or so... |
| 13:46 | <Chutt> | i doubt that |
| 13:46 | <vektor> | 500 euros sounds insanely expensive |
| 13:47 | <Chutt> | i don't have anything against epia motherboards |
| 13:47 | <Chutt> | they're just really, really slow |
| 13:47 | <Chutt> | and so not useful for much |
| 13:47 | <KikoV> | I use KDe 3.1 there perfectly |
| 13:48 | <Chutt> | what's that have to do with anything? |
| 13:48 | <KikoV> | with navigators and so... |
| 13:48 | <vektor> | KikoV: do you realize that full quality broadcast television is 20 _megabytes_ per second of data? |
| 13:48 | <Chutt> | i have a nehemiah-based m10000, which by all benchmarks i've seen, is at least 1.5x faster than the m9000 |
| 13:48 | <Chutt> | it's about the same speed as my p3-550 |
| 13:49 | <KikoV> | well... |
| 13:49 | <KikoV> | there is nothing to do then |
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| 13:50 | <KikoV> | Chutt: but I think that people from freevo is using it |
| 13:50 | <Chutt> | they're not using it to encode anything but low quality video |
| 13:50 | <Chutt> | if that |
| 13:50 | <KikoV> | and what about encoding low quality video with mythtv? |
| 13:50 | <sfr> | Chutt: i enabled the 2 DEBUG cout/cerr in util.cpp / WriteStringList and got the (remote) frontend locked up (while wathing live-tv) b/c the backend died. last message on the backend: 2003-07-10 19:46:40 'unknown command:' ; yes nothing after that, the frontend said on stdout: 'written: 61' now what? |
| 13:51 | <Chutt> | sfr, you need to add debugging statements of your own. |
| 13:51 | <Chutt> | kikov, you can do that |
| 13:51 | <Chutt> | other people have |
| 13:51 | <KikoV> | Chutt: how? |
| 13:52 | <Chutt> | what do you mean, how? |
| 13:52 | <sfr> | but it looks like the frontend is messing up the command to send. couldn't the backend be more 'forgiving' in cases like this? |
| 13:52 | <KikoV> | how can I setup the quality ? |
| 13:52 | <Chutt> | go into the settings screens in mythfrontend |
| 13:52 | <Chutt> | like it says to in the docs? |
| 13:52 | <KikoV> | the mythtv doesn't work to the 'Escape' key :( |
| 13:53 | <Chutt> | it does it you turn it on |
| 13:53 | <Chutt> | it's not meant to be exited. |
| 13:53 | <Chutt> | go into the frontend settings and enable the exit key |
| 13:55 | <mikegrb> | KikoV: did you notice the link on the left at http://www.mythtv.org that says documentation? |
| 13:55 | <KikoV> | mikegrb: I have followed a lot of documentation today... |
| 13:56 | <KikoV> | mikegrb: anyway, thx :] |
| 13:57 | <mikegrb> | KikoV: no problem, just checking |
| 13:58 | <jkolb> | Chutt: Was thinking about the arbitrarily timed preview pixmaps, and realized that there'd be no way of telling when the preview was generated without, say, adding a field to the database, or adding the timestamp to the end of the .pngs filename. |
| 13:58 | <KikoV> | by the way, yet I haven't found the Exit key? |
| 13:58 | <KikoV> | xDD |
| 13:58 | <jkolb> | (when == when in the recording, not the file generation time) |
| 13:59 | <KikoV> | the halt button and this? |
| 13:59 | <Chutt> | setup -> general -> system shutdown |
| 14:01 | <KikoV> | thx |
| 14:01 | <KikoV> | see u.. |
| 14:01 | <KikoV> | i have to go... |
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| 14:05 | <mikegrb> | 13:44 < KikoV> Chutt: and epia motherboard is really small, compact, with a low |
| 14:05 | <mikegrb> | consume... |
| 14:05 | <mikegrb> | gosh sorry |
| 14:09 | <vektor> | ok an epia 5000 user clarified his hardware situation on #freevo |
| 14:10 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 14:10 | <Chutt> | what'd he say? |
| 14:10 | <vektor> | he's recording 388x240 PAL to MPEG4 in AVI, and just that uses 96% of his CPU. |
| 14:10 | <vektor> | so he can't play back while recording. |
| 14:10 | <Chutt> | exactly |
| 14:10 | <vektor> | but he was hilarious in how he got there :) |
| 14:10 | <vektor> | [02:49pm] <KikoV> brainless: is people encoding with the epia m 9000? |
| 14:10 | <Chutt> | what, saying it works great? |
| 14:10 | <vektor> | [02:49pm] <brainless> KikoV: i use epia 5000 |
| 14:10 | <vektor> | [02:49pm] <KikoV> does it work? |
| 14:10 | <vektor> | [02:50pm] <brainless> KikoV: like a charm |
| 14:11 | <vektor> | ;-) |
| 14:11 | <Chutt> | hah |
| 14:11 | <Chutt> | for some strange definition of 'charm' |
| 14:12 | <vektor> | exactly. |
| 14:13 | <Chutt> | i'd consider that unuseable |
| 14:13 | <Chutt> | but, whatever |
| 14:13 | <thor> | it does generate heat (!) |
| 14:13 | <thor> | which can be quite charming |
| 14:14 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 14:14 | <tmk> | indeed.. curl up with it on cold nights |
| 14:14 | <tmk> | with a boko |
| 14:14 | <tmk> | book |
| 14:14 | <Chutt> | i'm fairly happy with the m10k and the pvr-350 in there |
| 14:14 | <Chutt> | would be better with hardware decoding, but it's ok for now |
| 14:15 | <thor> | must be better with that latest patch |
| 14:15 | <thor> | commit |
| 14:15 | <Chutt> | yeah, it's a little |
| 14:15 | <poptix> | m10k |
| 14:15 | <poptix> | sounds like a gun from Doom3 |
| 14:15 | <tmk> | hehe |
| 14:15 | <Chutt> | uses 50% cpu to decode 480x480 @ 4.5mbps |
| 14:15 | <thor> | and "nothing" to encode ? |
| 14:16 | <Chutt> | essentially, yeah |
| 14:16 | <thor> | hmm |
| 14:16 | <ahbritto> | Works like a charm. |
| 14:16 | <tmk> | (TM) |
| 14:16 | <tmk> | perhaps we should add that to the mythtv page |
| 14:16 | <Chutt> | same video takes 2% to decode on my xp1800+ |
| 14:16 | <Chutt> | =) |
| 14:16 | <tmk> | "MythTV: It works like a charm" |
| 14:17 | <tmk> | make a wish and it may help grant it |
| 14:17 | <tmk> | but probably not |
| 14:17 | <thor> | plus, it will keep you warm |
| 14:17 | <Chutt> | blah |
| 14:17 | <Chutt> | this box is acting weird. |
| 14:17 | <thor> | and contribute to heat death of the universe |
| 14:17 | <tmk> | a common misconception |
| 14:17 | <jkolb> | How much power does the xp1800+ draw? |
| 14:17 | <tmk> | if you believe physists |
| 14:17 | <Chutt> | jkolb, lots =) |
| 14:17 | <tmk> | the amount of energy in the univers is constant |
| 14:17 | <jkolb> | Just the processor, I mean. |
| 14:17 | <Chutt> | i dunno |
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| 14:18 | <thor> | not energy, entropy |
| 14:18 | <tmk> | no, energy |
| 14:18 | <tmk> | it's in the laws of thermodynamics :) |
| 14:18 | <thor> | yup |
| 14:18 | <tmk> | since matter = energy |
| 14:18 | <tmk> | i don't believe them though |
| 14:18 | <tmk> | so it's ok :) |
| 14:19 | <thor> | and the last nobel laureate in physics I talked to was a pretty firm believer in entropic heat death of the universe |
| 14:19 | <thor> | but this is getting a *little* off topic |
| 14:19 | <tmk> | well chutt's gone |
| 14:19 | <tmk> | so nothing will get done anyhow ;) |
| 14:20 | <thor> | see, i told you entropy was increasing |
| 14:20 | <jkolb> | tmk: You actually delegated a programming task! How long until all you say on the list is, 'Where's the patch?' |
| 14:20 | <tmk> | jkolb: heh yah |
| 14:20 | <tmk> | he did a good job |
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| 14:21 | <tmk> | i also delegated the decoder too |
| 14:21 | <tmk> | and i'm willing to delegate VBI support |
| 14:21 | <Chutt> | who's doing the decoder? |
| 14:21 | * tmk | makes all kinds of concessions |
| 14:21 | <tmk> | well some guy wrote most of it |
| 14:21 | <tmk> | i'm finishing it up |
| 14:21 | <jkolb> | Chutt: Which core is your 1800? |
| 14:21 | <Chutt> | it's a year old |
| 14:22 | <tmk> | silicon core then.. ;) |
| 14:22 | <jkolb> | Uh. Not sure what that makes it. If it's a Thoroughbred core, it takes 51W. 66W for a Palomino core. |
| 14:22 | <Chutt> | i'm not sure either |
| 14:22 | <jkolb> | Does /proc/cpuinfo tell you? |
| 14:23 | <Chutt> | nope |
| 14:25 | <tmk> | does it matter much? |
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| 14:26 | <tmk> | hey chutt: regarding the 2% decoding vs 50% on the epia |
| 14:26 | <tmk> | is that mostly due to good video drivers |
| 14:26 | <Chutt> | probably better video drivers |
| 14:26 | <jkolb> | That 15W difference is more power than the Nehemiah takes. |
| 14:26 | <Chutt> | faster ram |
| 14:26 | <tmk> | heh wow |
| 14:27 | <Chutt> | jkolb, i thought it was 30 or so? |
| 14:27 | <jkolb> | For the whole board, maybe. I think the processor only takes like 10-12 |
| 14:27 | <mikegrb> | heh my bayesian filter thinks everything not mythtv related is spam |
| 14:27 | <Chutt> | since those 55W power supplies don't do much more than the board and a laptop harddrive |
| 14:27 | <extremis> | mikegrb: isn't it |
| 14:27 | <tmk> | isn't it? |
| 14:27 | <tmk> | ha |
| 14:28 | <extremis> | mikegrb: how long will you be around? |
| 14:28 | <extremis> | I need help with my homebrew |
| 14:28 | <extremis> | its not working currently |
| 14:28 | <mikegrb> | extremis: off and on all afternoon and this evening |
| 14:28 | <extremis> | I'm installing redhat on a test box |
| 14:28 | <extremis> | ok |
| 14:28 | <mikegrb> | extremis: yes :-/ I saw |
| 14:28 | <extremis> | winlirc doesn't seem to behave the same as lirc |
| 14:28 | <jkolb> | 11.25W avg, 15W max. |
| 14:29 | <jkolb> | For the Nehemiah @ 1GHz |
| 14:29 | <tmk> | not bad |
| 14:29 | <Chutt> | the chip gets warm, too |
| 14:30 | <tmk> | charming |
| 14:30 | <jkolb> | What sort of heatsink do you have on it? |
| 14:30 | <Chutt> | stock |
| 14:36 | <mikegrb> | http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=70610&cid=6408031 <-- heh |
| 14:36 | <mikegrb> | gosh guys I'm sorry |
| 14:44 | <mdz> | Chutt: I think 'cpuid' (from the package of the same name) will tell you which core it is |
| 14:44 | <mdz> | but my xp is in RMA limbo right now so I can't check |
| 14:46 | <Chutt> | i don't see it in there |
| 15:00 | <term> | Chutt: Get:1 ftp://ftp.us.debian.org unstable/main cpuid 3.3-2 [9870B] |
| 15:00 | <term> | if you were wondering |
| 15:00 | <Chutt> | no, i don't see the processor core type in the output of cpuid |
| 15:00 | <term> | ah :) |
| 15:00 | <term> | Family: 6 Model: 8 [Duron/Athlon model 8] ..? |
| 15:01 | <Chutt> | i've got family 6, model 6 |
| 15:03 | <sfr> | Family 6 Model 8 for a Thoroughgred B XP2200+ |
| 15:15 | <sfr> | Chutt i need a tip, where is the code for the frontend that receives replies from the backend? i can't see it. |
| 15:15 | <sfr> | s/tip/hint/ |
| 15:15 | <Chutt> | you don't need that bit |
| 15:15 | <Chutt> | you need the stuff that sends to the backend |
| 15:15 | <Chutt> | remoteencoder.cpp, and in mythcontext.cpp |
| 15:16 | <sfr> | well, i wanted to try the backend to ignore unknown commands, not just die |
| 15:16 | <sfr> | so i (try to) send "SFR" back in this case, |
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| 15:18 | <Chutt> | it'd be much better to try to find where it's getting corrupted, instead |
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| 15:19 | <sfr> | probably, i'm just starting (understanding C++ in general and specially mythtv) |
| 15:29 | <Chutt> | mdz, that guy's got a valid problem :p |
| 15:29 | <Chutt> | the dvb stuff isn't working in live tv |
| 15:33 | <Chutt> | i think it may be changing resolutions during playback |
| 15:33 | <Chutt> | which, well, this doesn't support at all |
| 15:33 | <sfr> | chutt, just curious, can you make up anything from the backtrace i sent on tuesday? |
| 15:33 | <Chutt> | nope |
| 15:33 | <Chutt> | nothing in there, really |
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| 15:37 | <mdz> | Chutt: memtest86 is a good idea anyway :-) |
| 15:37 | <mdz> | didn't notice he was using dvb |
| 15:41 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 15:41 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 15:41 | <Chutt> | ffmpeg guys only committed half my patch |
| 15:42 | <Chutt> | ah well, if they want to blindly depend on structure order for things to not corrupt ram, that's their decision |
| 15:42 | <poptix> | oh |
| 15:42 | <poptix> | speaking of memtest86 |
| 15:42 | <poptix> | if you run into someone using the ECS K7S5A, or PC Chips M830[LR] |
| 15:43 | <poptix> | apparently those boards can't handle a 133mhz bus + 2 sticks of SDRAM |
| 15:43 | <poptix> | with most ram, they suffer an undervoltage, and randomly segfault/crash |
| 15:43 | <mdz> | I'm using an ECS k7s5a |
| 15:44 | <mdz> | can't recall right now whether it has one stick or two |
| 15:44 | <poptix> | they're fine with 2 sticks of SDRAM @ 100mhz, or 1 stick of SDRAM @ 133, or 2 sticks of DDR |
| 15:44 | <mdz> | it's either 1x512 or 2x256 |
| 15:44 | <mdz> | @ 133mhz |
| 15:44 | <poptix> | mdz: DDR or SDRAM? |
| 15:45 | <mdz> | poptix: SDRAM |
| 15:45 | <mdz> | PC133 |
| 15:45 | <poptix> | i've had this problem with multiple boards, and thought it was flaky ram |
| 15:45 | <poptix> | ran memtest86 for days on end |
| 15:45 | <mdz> | it's pretty solid except when it gets hot |
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| 15:46 | <poptix> | found a mention of the problem on some message boards about a month ago |
| 15:46 | <poptix> | apparently it's common |
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| 15:52 | <extremis> | well dish network will not support users who want to build their own dvb-s systems |
| 15:54 | <tmk> | ÍvegotAnewJ0b |
| 15:55 | <jkolb> | Chutt: Adding 'screendb->close();' |
| 15:55 | <jkolb> | damn. |
| 15:55 | <jkolb> | Adding screendb->close(); just before the removeDatabase(name) call in tv_rec.cpp seems to have cured my spawning dozens of mysqld processes bug. |
| 15:56 | <jkolb> | Line 771 or so |
| 16:00 | <jkolb> | tmk: What's your new job? |
| 16:00 | <jkolb> | er, J0b? |
| 16:00 | <tmk> | ha |
| 16:00 | <tmk> | senior network engineer :) |
| 16:02 | <jkolb> | Yay |
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| 16:57 | <TheAsp> | uhh |
| 16:58 | <TheAsp> | anyone have debs for xmltv 0.4.14? |
| 16:58 | <TheAsp> | :) |
| 16:58 | <TheAsp> | ohh, i do! |
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| 17:07 | <Chutt> | tmk, could it be related to mythtv setting the standard when it starts up? |
| 17:07 | <Chutt> | that's the only thing i can think of that it's doing.. |
| 17:08 | <tmk> | did you see his latest email |
| 17:08 | <tmk> | he's using oss on an alsa soundcard |
| 17:08 | <TheAsp> | i'm missing data for half my channels... |
| 17:08 | <tmk> | probably borking the sound |
| 17:08 | <Chutt> | um |
| 17:08 | <Chutt> | no |
| 17:08 | <Chutt> | that's perfectly normal. |
| 17:08 | <tmk> | hm |
| 17:08 | <tmk> | dunno |
| 17:08 | <tmk> | the standard setting may be broekn |
| 17:08 | <Chutt> | that's the most likely thing |
| 17:09 | <Chutt> | imo |
| 17:09 | <tmk> | yeah |
| 17:09 | <tmk> | lemme look |
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| 17:19 | <tmk> | does it break for you chutt? |
| 17:20 | <Chutt> | nope |
| 17:20 | <Chutt> | but he does have a different rev card |
| 17:24 | <jkolb> | Chutt: Have you tried duplicating my amazing mysqld spawning trick yet? |
| 17:24 | <Chutt> | not yert |
| 17:24 | <Chutt> | yet |
| 17:24 | <Chutt> | busy with work |
| 17:24 | <jkolb> | Bah! |
| 17:27 | <just1nux> | Chutt: when you get a chance, ive updated my visor theme to have watermarks for game, gallery and weather...also added titles to the menus in settings where there werent any. Let me know if you need the URL again. |
| 17:27 | <Chutt> | could you give me the url again? |
| 17:28 | <just1nux> | http://www.coincapital.com/visor |
| 17:28 | <Chutt> | thanks |
| 17:28 | <Chutt> | i'll get it updated when i've got time |
| 17:28 | <just1nux> | no problem. whenever you get a chance |
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| 19:04 | <rkulagow_> | chutt: don't know if you responded. fucking linksys keeps going down and has to be reset. |
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| 19:13 | <rkulagow__> | i'm ready to chuck this linksys. |
| 19:16 | <poptix> | i'll take it |
| 19:18 | <rkulagow__> | chuck something else my way instead and maybe we'll talk. seems to get hung when there's a lot of traffic going through it. |
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| 19:27 | <rkulagow__> | are you sure you would want this thing? |
| 19:27 | <rkulagow__> | (i don't know if you see my "rkulagow is gone" changes) |
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| 19:51 | <poptix> | have you tried upgrading the firmware? |
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| 20:14 | <yebyen> | anyone know if that "automagically delete stuff if you run out of disk space" idea ever got written? |
| 20:14 | <mikegrb> | it's in cvs |
| 20:14 | <yebyen> | oh, elite |
| 20:15 | <yebyen> | i was thinking of writing it, heh |
| 20:15 | <extremis> | well my homebrew works |
| 20:15 | <mikegrb> | extremis: congrats |
| 20:15 | <yebyen> | heh |
| 20:15 | <mikegrb> | extremis: what was the problem? |
| 20:15 | <extremis> | mikegrb: the non infra-led doesn't work though |
| 20:15 | <extremis> | mikegrb: I was missing a jumper |
| 20:15 | <mikegrb> | extremis: ahh |
| 20:15 | <extremis> | I still don't know what was wrong with my blars blaster |
| 20:16 | <yebyen> | blars! |
| 20:16 | <mikegrb> | :-/ |
| 20:16 | <extremis> | mikegrb: I'm trying to figure out why the blue led I put on there isn't working |
| 20:16 | <yebyen> | i just bought an irman, heh |
| 20:16 | <mikegrb> | ohh |
| 20:16 | <extremis> | you remember the schematic |
| 20:16 | <mikegrb> | current could be a problem |
| 20:16 | <yebyen> | it seems a bit slow to respond |
| 20:16 | <yebyen> | i'm not sure if it's my remote though |
| 20:16 | <mikegrb> | blue leds suck a lot of current |
| 20:16 | <extremis> | well I couldnt' find a .5k resistor I could only find a .470k and .510k |
| 20:17 | <mikegrb> | yes |
| 20:17 | <extremis> | would it be the resistance? |
| 20:17 | <mikegrb> | 5k isn't very popular |
| 20:17 | <mikegrb> | er .5 |
| 20:17 | <extremis> | the blue led I got requires 2.x volts |
| 20:17 | <extremis> | the infraled's only required 1.8 |
| 20:17 | <mikegrb> | smaller <g> |
| 20:17 | <extremis> | I couldnt' find any smaller |
| 20:18 | <extremis> | anyways, I'll hunt around for another |
| 20:18 | <extremis> | should I bother getting the proper resistor? |
| 20:18 | <extremis> | or does it matter? |
| 20:18 | <yebyen> | cvs in a pretty decent state right now? |
| 20:18 | <mikegrb> | you could try shorting that resister out w/ a bit of wire as a quick test, worse case the infrared leds wouldn't get enough current for a strong signal |
| 20:19 | <mikegrb> | if it then works you might use a potentiometer and start on a high setting around 470ohm and move down. |
| 20:20 | <mikegrb> | alternatley you could email me voltage and current specs for all the components and I could do some math to see what it should be |
| 20:20 | <yebyen> | compiling cvs... |
| 20:20 | <mikegrb> | yebyen: yes, it's usually pretty stable |
| 20:21 | <mikegrb> | I'm having some small troubles but its from sunday evening so I'm do for an upgrade anyway <g> |
| 20:22 | <yebyen> | i've actually been running cvs constantly |
| 20:22 | <yebyen> | i don't remember the last time i used a release |
| 20:22 | <yebyen> | heh |
| 20:22 | <yebyen> | try to update every two weeks or so, and i'm due... last was june 26 |
| 20:23 | <yebyen> | is there a "TODO" anywhere? |
| 20:23 | <mikegrb> | no I don't think so |
| 20:23 | <yebyen> | that would be a nice addition |
| 20:23 | <yebyen> | heh |
| 20:23 | <mikegrb> | I think a lot of the developers have thier personal todo lists |
| 20:24 | <yebyen> | a central one would be cool, label who's workin on what... |
| 20:24 | <yebyen> | and feature requests up there labeled "whoever wants it" |
| 20:24 | <yebyen> | HEH |
| 20:24 | <mikegrb> | heh |
| 20:25 | <yebyen> | probably could get that just by following the mailing list though... |
| 20:25 | <mikegrb> | I think it would be a nice idea |
| 20:25 | <mikegrb> | don't know how many would go for it |
| 20:25 | <yebyen> | i've just been thinking about getting involved |
| 20:25 | <yebyen> | i'm about to come up on some serious free time |
| 20:25 | <yebyen> | going to be a freshman in college, and I don't think CS1 is going to thrill me greatly |
| 20:25 | <yebyen> | heh |
| 20:26 | <mikegrb> | I would throw at peast abuse@eircom.net on there too |
| 20:27 | <mikegrb> | er |
| 20:27 | <yebyen> | huh |
| 20:27 | <mikegrb> | wrong window |
| 20:27 | <yebyen> | i see ^_~ |
| 20:27 | * yebyen | is dicking with bayesian filters... |
| 20:27 | <yebyen> | been training it for about 3 days, it's catching half of my spam |
| 20:27 | <mikegrb> | the irc client I use has multiple windows but one text entry line for all of them |
| 20:28 | <yebyen> | (I don't get much spam) |
| 20:28 | <mikegrb> | yes I was suprised |
| 20:28 | <yebyen> | heh |
| 20:28 | <yebyen> | i haven't actually put it into my procmail rules, I'm just watching it to see what it does |
| 20:28 | <mikegrb> | except with the list traffic if it's not spam and not mythtv related it has a 50/50 chance of being detected properly right now |
| 20:29 | <yebyen> | you use spamprobe or what? |
| 20:30 | <mikegrb> | I'm useing squirrelmail with a bayseplugin |
| 20:30 | <yebyen> | ah |
| 20:31 | <yebyen> | so far i've only trained it enough that I get 1.0000 or 0.0000 as my mail rating... |
| 20:31 | <yebyen> | spam being 1.0000, heh |
| 20:32 | <yebyen> | with the occasional 0.836092 |
| 20:32 | <mikegrb> | yes, for the most part mine is one or the other |
| 20:33 | <yebyen> | personally waiting impatiently for the server I just sent a 120gb drive to in Washington state to get itself set up |
| 20:33 | <yebyen> | so I can ditch fetchmail, just use mutt's builtin imap support |
| 20:33 | <yebyen> | and have my filtering done serverside |
| 20:34 | <yebyen> | use maildrop and whatnot |
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| 21:21 | <tmk> | chutt: you buck-passer ;) |
| 21:22 | <bline> | heh, I read that as butt-parser |
| 21:25 | <term> | damnit, I can't make the hauppage remote work :( |
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| 21:47 | <jkolb> | Chutt: It seems that the crash I was experiencing when trying to watch a video may have been due to my changing the CFLAGS in settings.pro. |
| 21:48 | <tmk> | term: what card |
| 21:48 | <term> | tmk: hauppage wintv pvr 250 |
| 21:48 | <term> | irw doesn't get any data. |
| 21:48 | <tmk> | what lirc are you using |
| 21:48 | <term> | 0.6.6 |
| 21:48 | <tmk> | you need cvs |
| 21:48 | <tmk> | or rc1 |
| 21:48 | <term> | ahh |
| 21:49 | <tmk> | it's in the faq :) |
| 21:49 | <tmk> | (for ivtv) |
| 21:49 | <term> | oh |
| 21:49 | <term> | I thought I had read the faq for that. thanks though :) |
| 21:49 | <tmk> | :) |
| 21:49 | <term> | well, at least that's my fault. heh |
| 21:49 | <term> | I'm gonna move the machine downstairs and try it with the tv, bbiab |
| 21:49 | <term> | :) |
| 21:49 | <tmk> | later |
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| 22:22 | <mikegrb> | according to my religion he would be unsaving souls |
| 22:22 | <mikegrb> | sd |
| 22:22 | <mikegrb> | df |
| 22:22 | <mikegrb> | errrr |
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| 22:40 | <yebyen> | hmm |
| 22:40 | <yebyen> | some of these screens are odd, heh |
| 22:40 | <yebyen> | in current cvs |
| 22:41 | <yebyen> | actually, all of them are |
| 22:41 | <yebyen> | "You Haven't Scheduled Any Programs To Be Recorded" |
| 22:41 | <yebyen> | nice |
| 22:42 | <term> | okay, so now I have to get the coax to talk to the composite out and I'm set! heh. |
| 22:42 | <term> | well, that and the ir thing |
| 22:47 | <yebyen> | heh |
| 22:47 | <yebyen> | pen0r! |
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| 23:46 | <billytwowilly> | darn those xmltv guys, darn them all to heck.. |
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