00:24 | <Chutt> | just1nux, yeah, it's a driver bug |
00:27 | <just1nux> | ioctl works fine though? |
00:27 | <Chutt> | yup |
00:27 | <Chutt> | tmk's too lazy to fix it |
00:28 | <just1nux> | ugh... |
00:28 | <just1nux> | any idea when it occurred so i can go to an earlier ivtv? |
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00:30 | <bahadunn_> | how do I setup X to do tvout? |
00:31 | <Chutt> | you read the documentation in X about your particular video card |
00:33 | <just1nux> | chutt: nevermind, i found and old copy of ivtv on my hd. |
00:33 | <Chutt> | bah |
00:34 | <Chutt> | i was trying to find the date that change went it |
00:34 | <Chutt> | in |
00:34 | <bahadunn_> | yes I read it |
00:34 | <bahadunn_> | I still cant get it to work though |
00:34 | <bahadunn_> | its an ati radeon 7000 |
00:34 | <bahadunn_> | everything works great up until I do startx |
00:34 | <Chutt> | go ask the gatos people. |
00:34 | <bahadunn_> | then I get a white screen |
00:34 | <Chutt> | it's their crappy driver. |
00:34 | <bahadunn_> | the gatos drivers suck |
00:34 | <bahadunn_> | im using the xfree drivers I think |
00:34 | <Chutt> | exactly, so go talk to them |
00:35 | <bahadunn_> | ok |
00:35 | <bahadunn_> | later |
00:35 | <Chutt> | then you don't get tv out |
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01:15 | <bline> | I'm going to see if I can't fix the transcode stuff for the crap pvr-250 outputs |
01:25 | <Chutt> | fix the audio instead =) |
01:26 | <bline> | in ivtv? |
01:26 | <Chutt> | yeah |
01:26 | <bline> | it doesn't bother me |
01:26 | <bline> | heh |
01:27 | <Chutt> | doesn't bother me either, but it's silly that it's not getting fixed |
01:27 | <bline> | yeah, dunno what happened to tmk |
01:28 | <Chutt> | audio with whine is better than no audio at all |
01:28 | <Chutt> | as much as i like my clean sounding audio =) |
01:28 | <bline> | I never got the whine, and changing channels fixes the lack of audio |
01:28 | <Chutt> | can't quite change channels on a composite input |
01:29 | <Captain_Murdoch> | see the moron on the -dev list asking me to make it so that a backend can write to another backend's disk when the first backend's disk fills up? |
01:29 | <Chutt> | heh |
01:30 | <Chutt> | you're not going to do that, right? |
01:30 | <bline> | heh |
01:30 | <Captain_Murdoch> | that's what nfs is for. |
01:30 | <Captain_Murdoch> | nfs & lvm |
01:31 | <Captain_Murdoch> | I should reply and tell him he needs to go download the MythNFS plugin. |
01:31 | <bline> | heh |
01:31 | <Captain_Murdoch> | and he even put "Thanks." at the end after his request. |
01:31 | <paulproteus> | There's a plugin for NFS? I just mount NFS directories.... |
01:32 | * paulproteus | is going to use AFS in the future |
01:32 | <bline> | Captain_Murdoch: do it ;) |
01:32 | <Chutt> | ah, the bitterness |
01:32 | <Chutt> | captain_murdoch, you are now accepted into the brotherhood of crusty old open source programmers |
01:32 | <paulproteus> | Captain_Murdoch: Tell him to use AFS. |
01:33 | <paulproteus> | It's slightly hard to set up, but rocks tremendously. |
01:33 | <paulproteus> | Can one combine NFS partitions with LVM? |
01:33 | <paulproteus> | That's so ad-hoc, so duct-tape-and-staples.... It's *so* OSS. |
01:33 | <Chutt> | Hi! Code this for me! Thanks! |
01:34 | <Captain_Murdoch> | Chutt, you don't know how many times I get asked if I'm going to add or when I'm going to add voice chat support to my GTK+ yahoo chat app. it's hillarious. |
01:34 | <paulproteus> | Captain_Murdoch, when are you going to add voice chat to your GTK+ yahoo chat app? I heard someone say you were going to have it by next Wednesday. |
01:34 | <Captain_Murdoch> | anyway, got my good laugh before heading to bed. maybe I'll reply in the morning if I wake up in a bad mood. :) |
01:34 | * paulproteus | ducks |
01:35 | <Captain_Murdoch> | paulproteus: maybe it's in there already and you don't know the super secret key combination. |
01:36 | <Captain_Murdoch> | I tell them if they want it they can code it. :) been saying that since yahoo added voice. |
01:36 | <Captain_Murdoch> | anyway, 'night all. |
01:36 | <Chutt> | g'nite |
01:36 | <paulproteus> | You know, I'm using Myth on Xbox, and I have to say, it feels like that's exactly where the Linux group is: Decoding MS' stuff. |
01:36 | <paulproteus> | Ciao, Mon Capitain. |
01:39 | <tdb30_> | quick question... does live playback and watching recordings use the same playback code. Basicly is the code that calls the pause and fastforward etc features the same code? |
01:44 | <Timon> | thor: you up? |
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11:20 | <extremis> | damnit, recording still doesn't work |
11:20 | <extremis> | I have duplicate entries in my DB now though so I'm going to dump and rerun mythfill |
11:20 | <extremis> | I think it had something to do with me having multiple connections for the saem provider |
11:21 | <extremis> | not the scheduling problem, but the duplications |
11:21 | <extremis> | the recording issue was there before the multiple connections |
11:24 | <Chutt> | you've got something configured wrong |
11:24 | <Chutt> | basically |
11:25 | <thor> | extremis, live work? |
11:25 | <Chutt> | thor, backend -v apparently doesn't even say it's going to record things |
11:26 | <Chutt> | and there's no way to skip that message if it's going to record.. |
11:26 | <thor> | comment it out? |
11:26 | <thor> | =) |
11:27 | <thor> | AGGHHHH so close |
11:28 | <thor> | January 2003, " I have a very strong dislike of wikis." |
11:28 | <thor> | July 2003, "I rather dislike wikis." |
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11:41 | <Chutt> | captain_murdoch, hey |
11:42 | <Chutt> | won't that bug cause the auto-expire stuff to not work anymore? |
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12:04 | <blow_core> | Is there anyone around that feels like helping my out with my new (not working) mythtv install? |
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12:17 | <thor> | blow_core, sure ... first what's your VISA number? |
12:18 | <thor> | oh, and expiry date |
12:18 | <thor> | =) |
12:19 | <Peit|work> | Chutt: remember the segfault/panic i was getting, it appears to be restricted to one front end |
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12:30 | <blow_core> | thor: Good try, but no. |
12:32 | <thor> | AMEX? |
12:33 | <blow_core> | Uh, no. |
12:33 | <thor> | OK, what's the problem (I'll give you my paypal info later)? |
12:33 | <blow_core> | What would make myth's setup segfault on a brand new install? |
12:33 | <blow_core> | Here's what I have done |
12:33 | <thor> | audio |
12:33 | <blow_core> | Or lack thereof? |
12:33 | <thor> | it's almost always an audio problem |
12:34 | <thor> | but, tell me what you've done |
12:34 | <blow_core> | I don't have my sound card working yet. |
12:34 | <thor> | ah |
12:34 | <thor> | well |
12:34 | <thor> | tha's it |
12:34 | <thor> | that's |
12:34 | <Chutt> | naw |
12:34 | <Chutt> | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-18.html#ss18.1 |
12:34 | <Chutt> | is probably it |
12:34 | <thor> | listen to Chutt |
12:35 | <Chutt> | without you providing any more information than the rather useless 'it segfaults' |
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12:35 | <blow_core> | I'm going to once you get the initial "This is almost always it" things out of the way. |
12:36 | <blow_core> | And it's an XP1700, so I don't think it's the processor thing. |
12:36 | <thor> | if it's *just* setup, then it's probably not audio |
12:36 | <Chutt> | where's it segfaulting.. |
12:38 | <Chutt> | ok, waste my time, why don't you |
12:38 | <blow_core> | Ok, I run setup. It asks me if I want to clear out a couple of things (on the console that is). I can't recall what it says at the moment, and I am in the middle of a debug build, so I can't say. |
12:38 | <blow_core> | Anyway ... |
12:38 | <blow_core> | It then displays a blue image for about a half a second, and then dies. |
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12:39 | <thor> | you sure it doesn't just look like it's hanging ? |
12:39 | <Chutt> | come back when you have a backtrace. |
12:39 | <thor> | dialog box dies back to console, or the display just sits there? |
12:39 | <blow_core> | Dies back to console. |
12:39 | <thor> | ah, ok, come back with bt |
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13:17 | <Peit|Home> | anyone seen, saa7115[0]: decoder set size |
13:17 | <Peit|Home> | divide error: 0000 in var log messages on a backend before the backend segfaulted? |
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13:45 | <just1nux> | Chutt: what did you think of the suggestion the guy on the list had about swf for menus? Just wondering, cuz after seeing how 'active' microsofts pvr software was, myth looked stagnant. |
13:46 | <Chutt> | i dunno |
13:46 | <Chutt> | if someone sends me a clean patch that doesn't mess things up horribly, i wouldn't be against it |
13:46 | <thor> | flash ? |
13:46 | <just1nux> | people keep telling me the cloud in my theme should be moving... yeah flash |
13:46 | <Peit|Home> | Chutt: you're on the ivtv list are you not? |
13:46 | <Chutt> | yup |
13:46 | <Chutt> | never seen that error message reported |
13:47 | <Peit|Home> | I can't get a backtrace... |
13:47 | <Peit|Home> | honestly, i tried |
13:47 | <Chutt> | well, since it's in the driver.. |
13:47 | <Chutt> | not much i can do about it |
13:47 | <Peit|Home> | deffo driver then? |
13:47 | <Chutt> | i'd say so |
13:47 | <Peit|Home> | that's really weird, it was working last week, and i swear i've not changed anything |
13:48 | <Peit|Home> | time for more driver debugging.. |
13:48 | <Peit|Home> | talk about a whole new playground to explore |
13:49 | <just1nux> | chutt: even after loading the old ivtv drivers, i still had no audio after switching inputs. I just tried specifically telling the msp driver which audio standard to use when it load. Now the problem is gone. Just incase anyone else runs into that. |
13:50 | <Chutt> | just1nux, that's what people are saying they're doing on the ivtv list |
13:50 | <Chutt> | it's silly to have to do that, as it's obviously a driver bug |
13:50 | <just1nux> | ok. yeah definitely not defaulting correctly |
13:53 | <just1nux> | Chutt: another comment ive heard from people using my mythtv. Why is there no clock on the menu screens? |
13:53 | <thor> | there is if you run lcdproc ! |
13:54 | <just1nux> | thor: whats lcdproc? |
13:54 | <thor> | software to drive little lcd/fluro displays that fit in drive bays |
13:54 | <just1nux> | oh, well the pcs are in the closet so that wont help |
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14:55 | <blow_core> | Ok, how would you prefer to get this backtrace? Shall I send it to mythtv-dev? |
14:55 | <thor> | sure, or if you could put it up on a web server and paste the URL here. Either way. |
14:55 | <blow_core> | What else should I send with it? List of installed debs or anything like that? |
14:56 | <blow_core> | Hmmm ... I can do a webserver I think. Stand by. |
14:57 | <blow_core> | http://www.k-labs.com/typescript |
14:57 | <thor> | having a look |
14:57 | <blow_core> | No making fun of my website though. It's in sad need of attention :) |
14:58 | <thor> | you running cvs? |
14:58 | <thor> | (recent) |
14:58 | <blow_core> | No. That comes out of the source package for 10 |
14:59 | <thor> | myth 0.10, yes |
14:59 | <thor> | ? |
14:59 | <blow_core> | Sorry, mythtv-0.10, yes |
15:00 | <thor> | you do a make install ? |
15:01 | <blow_core> | No, I built packages from the debian/rules scripts. |
15:01 | <blow_core> | Well, after I took out the strip directive, of course. |
15:01 | <thor> | oops |
15:01 | <thor> | this is Chutt's code, ... |
15:01 | <thor> | but my first guess |
15:02 | <thor> | is that it can't find pixmaps |
15:02 | <thor> | (often, however, my first guesses are really bad) |
15:02 | <thor> | ... still looking ... |
15:02 | <blow_core> | For the menu stuff you mean? |
15:02 | <thor> | locate background.png |
15:02 | <thor> | can you do that ? |
15:03 | <blow_core> | Let me update slocate. I've only had this box installed about 48 hours now. |
15:04 | <thor> | otherwise it's mystery to me ... |
15:05 | <thor> | post to the mailing list, but include distro (version), a brief outline of the steps you took so far, and maybe a few lines on your hardware |
15:05 | <blow_core> | I get 10 hits, but I suspect the one you're looking for is this one: /usr/share/mythtv/themes/blue/background.png |
15:05 | <thor> | ah, it is there |
15:05 | <thor> | what distribution? |
15:05 | <blow_core> | I get that image on screen for about a half second before it segfaults and drops me back to my xterm |
15:05 | <blow_core> | Debian Unstable |
15:06 | <thor> | hmmm |
15:06 | <thor> | where's Qt come from (aptget or did you build it yourself) ? |
15:07 | <blow_core> | It's from apt-get. (relevant line from dpkg -l) ii libqt3c102 3.1.1-9 Qt Library |
15:07 | <blow_core> | And I have the -mt of that also |
15:08 | <thor> | hmmmm |
15:08 | <blow_core> | I tried to build it with just plain old libqt3-mt (3.0.3-20020329), but try as I might, it wouldn't use it. |
15:09 | <thor> | anything wonky with your X setup (does it do Alpha blending ok)? |
15:09 | <thor> | ... I'm really grasping at straws ... |
15:10 | <blow_core> | Uhhh ... Not sure what you mean there (I don't pretend to understand the beast that is X). I am using nVidia's driver though, if that makes a difference. |
15:11 | <thor> | nVidia binary drivers (from nVidia) |
15:11 | <thor> | ? |
15:11 | <blow_core> | Yeah. So the TV out works. |
15:11 | <thor> | hmmm |
15:11 | <thor> | you got RenderACCel on in your XF86Config ? |
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15:12 | <thor> | never mind |
15:12 | <thor> | that wouldn't make a difference |
15:12 | <blow_core> | Yes, but it's commented |
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15:13 | <thor> | ... I'd go the mailing list route ... odd that you're having problems with *setup* .... |
15:13 | <thor> | but I can't figure out what's wrong |
15:15 | <blow_core> | Well, I do appreciate you looking at it for me. I spent the better part of the weekend trying to make it work, all to no avail. It's a pretty plain jane setup. I installed the debian base. Added the mythtv lines to my sources file. Did an apt-get update; apt-get install mythtv; and this is where I've been since :( |
15:16 | <blow_core> | I really want to make it work though. It looks *really* slick. My compliments (and thanks) to the developers :) |
15:16 | <thor> | can't find that function in util.cpp anymore ... hang on a sec |
15:16 | <blow_core> | Alrighty. |
15:21 | <blow_core> | On a side note -- Does anyone know if mythtv will build/run on a FreeBSD machine? |
15:22 | <thor> | sorry ... this is a mystery to me ... I'd suspect Qt (3.1.1 didn't last long) .... but I don't really know. |
15:22 | <thor> | someone on the mailing list can probably figure it out |
15:22 | <thor> | and/or people with better knowledge than I may catch this on a scrollback |
15:23 | <blow_core> | Cool. Thanks again for the help. I'll leave my client connected, but the boss is more or less forcing me to go take lunch now. I'll post to -dev and check back here in a little while. |
15:35 | <just1nux> | sorry for asking here, but ivtv-dev is like talking to...uhm well no one. can test_ioctl change the channel with a channel number? -r tuner=03 or freq=03 doesnt seem to do it. |
15:42 | <vektor> | one wouldn't think so, since the driver has no idea about number->frequency mappings |
15:42 | <vektor> | that's a userspace thing |
15:42 | <vektor> | well, it's a user thing even more so :) |
15:42 | <just1nux> | ok thanks. |
15:42 | <vektor> | so an app called 'test_ioctl' just sounds wrong for the task. |
15:43 | <just1nux> | well, sound keeps going away with myth changing the inputs, thought if i could use that to tune externally i could avoid the problem. |
15:44 | <vektor> | you mean changing the channel, or changing the 'input'? |
15:45 | <just1nux> | i know how to get test_ioctl to change inputs, but once you put a script to run on change of channel myth assumes that the script is changing it. |
15:45 | <Chutt> | just1nux, that won't fix things |
15:46 | <just1nux> | well, actually it did, just gets stuck on the same channel |
15:47 | <just1nux> | im making it switch inputs back and forth. then the sound returns |
15:47 | <Chutt> | ah |
15:47 | <just1nux> | one more line to change the channel and id have a workaround. |
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16:10 | <just1nux> | chutt: i figured it out. my workaround works. channel#*16 equals frequency. Found a post on the myth list from someone in the netherlands that helped. |
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16:51 | <thor> | I'm Chris Petersen feels like I did when I submitted my first palylists stuff =) |
16:51 | <thor> | I'm guessing |
16:51 | <Chutt> | heh |
16:52 | <Chutt> | i'm just commenting on bugs |
16:53 | <thor> | yeah ... but I'm sitting there like a wet puppy waiting for approval ... and "combo box sucks, don't do it like that, I can't nest a playlist, the graphics look crappy .... but that RemoteLineEdit thing is nice" |
16:54 | <Chutt> | hmm |
16:54 | <Chutt> | i can probably swing animations and stuff for parts of the menu that aren't getting blended |
16:55 | <thor> | surely not flash ? |
16:55 | <Chutt> | but anything more would be hard |
16:55 | <Chutt> | well, just looking at qt's support for .mngs |
16:55 | <thor> | UIType's with internal timers? |
16:55 | <thor> | UITypeAnimatedButton->setMovie(blah) |
16:55 | <Chutt> | but the alpha blending for stuff would kill performance |
16:56 | <thor> | hmmm .... |
16:57 | <thor> | no backgrounds with Alpha, buttons on backgrounds ? (write the theme on purpose to not do Alpha loading) |
16:57 | <Chutt> | no, blending stuff like the buttons onto a moving background |
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16:57 | <Chutt> | or i guess the buttons themselves, if they were being blended |
16:57 | <thor> | oh ... yeah ... user option? |
16:57 | <Chutt> | eh |
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16:57 | <Chutt> | i can't imagine it being fast anywhere |
16:58 | <thor> | hmmm |
16:58 | <thor> | but why moving backgrounds ... I would think people would want little animated buttons and what not |
16:59 | <thor> | maybe some transition effects |
16:59 | <thor> | I dunno |
16:59 | <just1nux> | doesnt sound like .mngs would really be worth the effort |
17:00 | <just1nux> | can it handle a video mpg background like the osd? |
17:00 | <Chutt> | no |
17:00 | <Chutt> | could be made to, i suppose |
17:01 | <just1nux> | thats all a dvd menu is... |
17:01 | <just1nux> | that and mpg transitions between each screen |
17:01 | <Peit|Home> | Chutt: problem solved, (my ivtv problem), capture size was set out of range! |
17:01 | <Chutt> | heh |
17:01 | <Peit|Home> | Chutt: don't i feel like a twit |
17:02 | <Peit|Home> | now all i have to do is get sound working again |
17:02 | <thor> | Anybody have a Tivo ... what's animated there ? |
17:03 | <thor> | (or a Replay ... or an MS XP<->HTPC)? |
17:03 | <just1nux> | well i can tell you that replay isnt animated at all. i think tivo might just be the background |
17:03 | <just1nux> | Microsofts is majorly 3d animated |
17:04 | <just1nux> | type and graphics zomming inj and out and moving all around |
17:04 | <thor> | like the interface is in a GL space ? |
17:04 | <just1nux> | gotta be all vector based |
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17:05 | <just1nux> | sound would also be nice, for immediate feedback , and ambiance etc |
17:05 | <Chutt> | sound would be relatively easy |
17:06 | <just1nux> | tivo uses sounds replay does not |
17:06 | <just1nux> | microsoft does as well |
17:06 | <thor> | a little "tink" on a button press would be sweet ... |
17:07 | <Chutt> | only thing there is worrying about multiple sounds playing back at once |
17:07 | <thor> | yup |
17:07 | <Chutt> | but i could write up a little thing to do all that |
17:08 | <thor> | when I was themeing mmusic, I "discovered" that my sound card could mix multiple opens =) |
17:08 | <Chutt> | heh |
17:08 | <Chutt> | most can't, though |
17:08 | <thor> | nope |
17:08 | <vektor> | When that jkolb guy comes back, I need to talk to him. I found out the problem. :/ |
17:08 | <vektor> | It's not pretty. |
17:09 | <Chutt> | what's the issue? |
17:09 | <vektor> | The i810 spins if you draw faster than the refresh rate. |
17:09 | <Chutt> | ah |
17:09 | <Chutt> | he did say that mythtv was back down to 3% cpu displaying video |
17:09 | <thor> | "spins" ? |
17:09 | <Chutt> | busy waits |
17:09 | <vektor> | It cannot program the next frame until the last one you sent completes. |
17:09 | <vektor> | So it busy waits. |
17:10 | <thor> | ah |
17:10 | <Chutt> | while (1) ; |
17:10 | <Chutt> | =) |
17:10 | <vektor> | mythtv won't draw faster. |
17:10 | <Chutt> | right, it doesn't attempt to |
17:10 | <vektor> | But tvtime draws right at 59.94hz, which is exactly what he's set to. |
17:10 | <vektor> | So something is fucked up ther.e |
17:10 | <Chutt> | so does mythtv :p |
17:10 | <vektor> | erm.. it does? |
17:10 | <Chutt> | 'least it tries to |
17:10 | <Chutt> | most of the time, yeah |
17:11 | <Chutt> | it's a setting |
17:11 | <vektor> | chutt, very interesting post my mark vojkovich |
17:11 | <vektor> | i was asking for triple buffering in the NVIDIA driver |
17:11 | <Chutt> | url? |
17:11 | <vektor> | looking to see if it's in the archives yet |
17:12 | <vektor> | it's not :) let me post it |
17:13 | <vektor> | http://vektor.ca/nvidia-buffers.txt |
17:14 | <Chutt> | that's only pertinant to the nv driver, though, right? |
17:15 | <vektor> | and NVIDIA i'd think |
17:16 | <Chutt> | i certainly don't get any tearing with the nvidia driver |
17:16 | <Chutt> | even if i send it stuff too fast =) |
17:23 | <Peit|Home> | Chutt: are you getting two copies of all ivtv-dev maillings? |
17:23 | <Peit|Home> | Chutt: ignore |
17:23 | <Chutt> | yes |
17:23 | <Chutt> | from that dumbass |
17:23 | <Chutt> | since he's sending two |
17:23 | <Chutt> | :p |
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17:31 | <vektor> | Chutt: are you sure you're not seeing tearing? |
17:31 | <vektor> | you should see tearing if you draw faster than the refresh |
17:31 | <Chutt> | i am absolutey certainly positive. |
17:31 | <Chutt> | there is 0 tearing. |
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17:32 | <Chutt> | if i use the 'video blitter' port, i get tearing |
17:32 | <Chutt> | if i use the 'video overlay' port, like you're supposed to, no tearing |
17:32 | <vektor> | oh, read the message again |
17:32 | <vektor> | it draws into the queued buffer |
17:32 | <vektor> | so it will only tear if you flip to the new buffer while it's being writte |
17:32 | <vektor> | n |
17:32 | <vektor> | see? |
17:32 | <Chutt> | right. |
17:33 | <vektor> | so it can tear, but you have to be really fast. :) |
17:33 | <vektor> | since you're getting such good performance, you won't see tearing even though you're blitting much faster. |
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17:33 | <vektor> | until you go really, really fast. |
17:33 | <vektor> | jkolb: figured out your problem. |
17:33 | <jkolb> | Yay! |
17:33 | <Chutt> | vektor, read what i just said |
17:33 | <vektor> | well, i didn't figure it out, i got told. |
17:33 | <jkolb> | Good enough for me. |
17:33 | <vektor> | Chutt: you said you get no tearing if you use the overlay. |
17:34 | <vektor> | i am talking about the overlay. |
17:34 | <Chutt> | and i do get tearing if i use the blitter |
17:34 | <vektor> | of course since that's single buffered |
17:34 | <vektor> | so ignore that. |
17:34 | <vektor> | the blitter just does that, blits directly to the framebuffer. |
17:34 | <Chutt> | right. |
17:34 | <vektor> | the overlay double buffers, but can still tear. |
17:34 | <vektor> | if you draw way too fast |
17:34 | <Chutt> | i've done that :p |
17:34 | <Chutt> | no tearing |
17:34 | <vektor> | you have insane performance. |
17:35 | <Chutt> | i've got a one year old computer |
17:35 | <vektor> | because you'd need to be _inside_ a call to XvShmPutImage when it flips. |
17:35 | <Chutt> | i don't see how that can be 'insane' :p |
17:35 | <vektor> | well should i post and say 'wtf mark, we see no tearing'? |
17:35 | <Chutt> | he's talking about the nv driver |
17:36 | <vektor> | i disbelieve but i'll ask. |
17:36 | <Chutt> | how do you know the nvidia driver doesn't wait for the buffer to clear? |
17:36 | <Chutt> | or queue it up? |
17:36 | <vektor> | i'll ask now, but i thought it was implied. |
17:36 | <Chutt> | i've just never seen any tearing at all with the overlay |
17:37 | <Chutt> | you'd think i would, just on occasion |
17:37 | <Chutt> | if it were any other way |
17:37 | <Chutt> | vagaries of timing, etc |
17:37 | <Chutt> | i've never used the nv driver, though |
17:37 | <vektor> | i posted. |
17:38 | <just1nux> | I agree with Chutt, never seen tearing on overlay with the nvidia driver. |
17:38 | <vektor> | yeah and how many 80fps videos do you have |
17:38 | <vektor> | or 100fps |
17:39 | <Chutt> | heh |
17:39 | <vektor> | remember this only happens when you draw way faster than the refresh rate. |
17:39 | <Chutt> | see, i've done that though |
17:39 | <Chutt> | by accident, mostly =) |
17:39 | <vektor> | i know that's why i posted |
17:40 | <jkolb> | The anticipation is killing me here, vektor... |
17:40 | <vektor> | jkolb: oh, sorry. |
17:40 | <Chutt> | jkolb, oh, it just busywaits if sent data faster than the refresh rate |
17:40 | <vektor> | jkolb: the i810 driver spins until the next refresh if you draw faster than the refresh rate. |
17:40 | <jkolb> | Ah. |
17:40 | <vektor> | so since you're at 60hz, you're capped at 60fps |
17:40 | <jkolb> | I figured it'd be something like that. |
17:40 | <Chutt> | which should be rather nice for smoothness of playback |
17:41 | <vektor> | well i'm concerned about tvtime. |
17:41 | <vektor> | like, i'm concerned it can get into loops where it's always busy waiting. |
17:42 | <jkolb> | Of course, that doesn't really explain why it dropped below 60fps when myth started using a bit of the CPU. |
17:42 | <vektor> | well i'm just worried that if mythtv ever decides to draw like 5 frames consecutively by accident, it will use a ton of cpu |
17:42 | <jkolb> | If most of its time is spent spinlocking, I should just see 60fps until there's a significant amount of load on the system, shouldn't I? |
17:42 | <vektor> | and then you might get into some weird loop |
17:43 | <Peit|Home> | "IOBOUND - blocking in ThreadedFileWriter::Write()" <-- I presume i need to tweak the storage if i'm getting that message |
17:51 | <blow_core> | Chutt: I posted that backtrace you mentioned earlier to the -dev mailing list, if you're curious. |
17:52 | <Chutt> | peit|home, generally means it can't write fast enough to the disk, yeah |
17:53 | <Chutt> | blow_core, i haven't seen it. |
17:54 | <blow_core> | I sent it off about 10 minutes ago. I suppose it may take a little while. It's also here: http://www.k-labs.com/typescript |
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17:55 | <blow_core> | thor looked at it. He said you would know. |
17:55 | <Chutt> | heh |
17:55 | <Chutt> | do you mind trying cvs? |
17:56 | <Chutt> | the code where it crashed doesn't exist anymore. |
17:56 | <Peit|Home> | Chutt: hmm, ok. bah, i hate NFS |
17:56 | <blow_core> | Ah, I see. Sure. I can try that. It may take me a while to follow up. I'm in the sticks on crappy dialup. |
17:56 | <Chutt> | heh |
17:56 | <Chutt> | no worries |
17:57 | <Peit|Home> | Chutt: is it possible to change the write size, (blocks/K) that mythtv tries to write in one go? |
17:57 | <Chutt> | not easily |
17:57 | <Chutt> | but, yeah, sure |
17:57 | <Chutt> | libs/libmythtv/RingBuffer.cpp |
17:58 | <Chutt> | top couple hundred lines are the writer thread |
17:58 | <Peit|Home> | so it's not tweakable via gui.. o.k |
17:59 | <Chutt> | right |
18:00 | <Peit|Home> | full 100meg switched network should be able to handle a full size PAL mpeg2 stream, surely |
18:00 | <Chutt> | it does |
18:01 | <Chutt> | a number of people record to a nfs mount |
18:01 | <Peit|Home> | must be a problem on my network then.,.. |
18:01 | <Peit|Home> | yet again, something that was working before i went away for the weekend |
18:07 | <Peit|Home> | right, it's an NFS issue, if i record ot local disk, i can stream the recording over the network fine |
18:08 | <Peit|Home> | bnokers |
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18:24 | <poptix> | i not only record to nfs, my ringbuffer is on an nfs mount |
18:43 | <Peit|Home> | poptix: must be something i've missed then |
18:47 | <Peit|Home> | poptix: what nfs options are you using? |
18:48 | <Peit|Home> | 25Meg/min is my current transfer, that's pathetic |
18:53 | <blow_core> | hat kind of NIC do you have? I had a machine with an onboard via_rhine that was absolutely horrid at network transfers. I put in a PCI 3com and it works like a champ now. |
18:53 | <blow_core> | s/^hat/What/ |
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18:57 | <poptix> | Peit|Home: i can push 40meg/s |
18:57 | <poptix> | i'm not using any special nfs options either |
18:57 | <poptix> | that 40meg/s is local, not lan |
18:58 | <poptix> | across the lan, the max is ~10-11MB/s |
18:58 | <blow_core> | Have you tried moving a big file with something like FTP to see if it's as slow as NFS is? |
18:59 | <blow_core> | Well, 10-12MB is about as fast as 100mbit will go. If you're getting that, that's all you can ask for. |
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19:07 | <blow_core> | You could also try tinkering with the rsize/wsize buffers when you mount the volume. 8192 seems to be a popular value (and may be the default). NFS is not very good at lots of small writes, and the default is 1024. |
19:08 | <blow_core> | Woops. I guess I should have edited that before I hit enter. 1024 is the default size. The man page says 8192 " ... will make your nfs connection much faster than with the default buffer size of 1024." |
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19:36 | <blow_core> | thor & Chutt: Well, I am SSH'd into the media box from the office, but I don't get a segfault anymore on the CVS code. Looks like whatever it was, CVS fixed. |
19:36 | <paulproteus|lapt> | Is there a way in MythMusic to jump to a particular song by typing in part of its name? |
19:36 | <paulproteus|lapt> | And/or, is that in the TODO? |
19:37 | <blow_core> | Yup. Called the wife and she said it's displaying the config menu. I should know by now that if you want the best stuff, you have to run CVS. Thanks again for the help guys. :) |
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19:42 | <extremis> | hello |
19:42 | <extremis> | Gadzooks! I can't open the program table. |
19:42 | <extremis> | heh, I've read the mailing lists and people have indicated that flushing the db and rerunning mythfilldatabase will solve it... hrm... doesn't seem to |
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19:44 | <Chutt> | extremis, i've had that when i filled up my /var |
19:45 | <Chutt> | but, really, if recording still doesn't work, i want a dump of your database |
19:46 | <extremis> | Chutt: I've dropped my db |
19:46 | <extremis> | several times |
19:47 | <extremis> | I can' however send you what I have currently |
19:47 | <extremis> | can |
19:48 | <extremis> | I'm dumping now |
19:50 | <vektor> | Chutt: Mark says the NVIDIA driver does #3. |
19:52 | <vektor> | i.e., tears if you draw to fast and a refresh occurs while drawing |
19:53 | <Chutt> | i've still never seen it do that =) |
19:54 | <vektor> | sure, well but your blits are so fast :) |
19:54 | <vektor> | you get like what 320MB/sec? |
19:54 | <Chutt> | something obscene |
19:54 | <vektor> | so what, there's like a 1ms window ? |
19:54 | <vektor> | maybe less? |
19:54 | <Chutt> | extremis, i'll look at it in a bit |
19:55 | <extremis> | Chutt: thank you |
19:55 | <extremis> | I'm going to read some more about mythweb |
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19:56 | <vektor> | bbeattie: some ppl were asking for you on avsforum :) |
19:57 | <bbeattie> | Chutt: HDTV functionality is working now in mythtv. There's still some issues with it taking 15 seconds before live-tv starts showing the image, and seeking issues, but it works. |
19:57 | <vektor> | bbeattie: in the "HDTV Linux card being released in august" thread |
19:57 | <bbeattie> | asking for me? on the sound card or video card stuff? |
19:57 | <bbeattie> | .. havn't seen that tread. |
19:57 | <vektor> | "Perhaps Brandon can stop by and confirm the Linux compatible card / MythTV integration." |
19:58 | <Chutt> | heh |
19:58 | <Chutt> | bbeattie, got any patches? =0 |
19:58 | <Chutt> | and, i can probably improve startup time a little |
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19:59 | <bbeattie> | wtf, how'd people even know I was on avsforums, or put 2 and 2 together.. :-/ |
19:59 | <Chutt> | heh |
19:59 | <bbeattie> | Chutt: I'm merging the latest cvs now, |
20:00 | <tdb30_> | what does it mean when I get a message unable to write to client socket as its no longer there? |
20:00 | <Chutt> | means the client socket left before the backend could respond |
20:00 | <Chutt> | bbiab. |
20:00 | <bbeattie> | there's also channel issues that I'm working with the car designer on. HDTV's scan all channels and if they get an HDTV channel 42, they read the signal and get "Channel 7" and then the user can select "Channel 7" but it really maps to channel 42, his driver doesn't do this and it leaves a big gap in channel code |
20:06 | <extremis> | bbeattie: what kind of network can this hdtv card connect to? |
20:06 | <extremis> | ota, sat, tere? |
20:09 | <bbeattie> | terrestrial |
20:10 | <bbeattie> | over-the-air also. |
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20:10 | <extremis> | ahh, too bad, I currently have dishnet |
20:12 | <bbeattie> | basically anything that you can are receiving HDTV channels over normal rg video cable. |
20:16 | <extremis> | hrm sat uses 8psk encoding |
20:16 | <extremis> | for hdtv |
20:24 | <bbeattie> | I've only seen 8, havn't seen 16 anywhere yet. |
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20:55 | <Chutt> | kick ass |
20:55 | <Chutt> | top story on /. |
20:56 | <thor> | DirectFB |
20:56 | <thor> | ? |
20:56 | <Chutt> | yeah |
20:56 | <Chutt> | qt port to it =) |
20:56 | <Chutt> | i'll have to get mythtv running on it |
20:56 | <thor> | yeah |
20:56 | <Chutt> | shouldn't be difficult |
20:56 | <thor> | nope |
20:57 | <Chutt> | write a little directfb video output class |
20:57 | <rkulagow___> | rkulagow |
20:57 | <Chutt> | or sdl |
20:57 | <Chutt> | rkulagow, you missed your /nick =) |
20:57 | <thor> | hmmm ... mplayer/xine/ogle for DirectFB ? |
20:58 | <thor> | QMovie here we come |
20:59 | <Chutt> | heh |
20:59 | <Chutt> | Donwload |
20:59 | <Chutt> | from the website |
20:59 | <thor> | Qt ? |
20:59 | <Chutt> | yeah, from the qt on directfb website |
21:00 | <thor> | 20.8 KB/sec |
21:00 | <Chutt> | heh |
21:01 | <Chutt> | i'll look at it over the weekend probably |
21:01 | <thor> | and dropping |
21:01 | <Chutt> | since i already had it working on qt/e, shouldn't be much of a problem |
21:01 | <thor> | what, on a Zauraus ? |
21:01 | <Chutt> | no, there's a qvfb |
21:02 | <Chutt> | application |
21:02 | <thor> | ah |
21:02 | <Chutt> | that makes a virtual framebuffer on your X desktop |
21:02 | <thor> | DirectFB "drivers" ... alpha blender ... hw video blit ? |
21:03 | <thor> | slower, no? |
21:03 | <Chutt> | possibly |
21:03 | <thor> | simpler though |
21:03 | <Chutt> | i dunno |
21:03 | <Chutt> | well, it's an answer to those silly people that don't want to run X =) |
21:03 | <Chutt> | bbiab, gotta reboot this machine |
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21:07 | <extremis> | Chutt: the mythweb problem was due to /tmp not being writable |
21:07 | <extremis> | I confirmed it by executing the sql command at console |
21:07 | <extremis> | anyways, mythbackend is crashing now with: "invalid cardid -1 |
21:07 | <extremis> | " |
21:08 | <bbeattie> | chutt: what is prefered way of adding the HDTV support? |
21:08 | <bbeattie> | patch, cvs commit, other? |
21:08 | <thor> | he's offline atm |
21:15 | <extremis> | What I don't understand is that my only defined cardinput has a cardid of 1 |
21:15 | <extremis> | not -1 |
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21:20 | <bbeattie> | Chutt: how would you like the the HDTV code merged? by way of CVS, patch, or other? |
21:21 | <Chutt> | patch |
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21:27 | <bbeattie> | Anyone know if QDateTime utcdt = QDateTime::currentDateTime(Qt::UTC); in the filldata.cpp frmo mythfilldatabase is a qt3 call? that addition in cvs causes a build to fail. |
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21:31 | <thor> | it's in 3.1.2, but not 3.0.7 ... I suspect it's a 3.1.x and later feature |
21:32 | <bbeattie> | thor: is mythtv still going to stay compatible with older versions of QT? |
21:32 | <thor> | as far as I know ... |
21:32 | <thor> | little things like that are usually #ifdef'd with a version check |
21:33 | <thor> | you can just rip out the Qt::UTC argument and it should work |
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21:33 | <bbeattie> | thor: do I need to submit a bug, or how should this be fixed? |
21:33 | <thor> | ask Chutt, he's back ... |
21:33 | <Chutt> | hm? |
21:33 | <thor> | Qt 3.1.x 'ism in CVS |
21:34 | <Chutt> | ah |
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21:34 | <Chutt> | what? |
21:34 | <bbeattie> | in the filldata.cpp, the QDateTime utcdt = QDateTime::currentDateTime(Qt::UTC); and 2 lines down are incompatible with older versions of QT |
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21:35 | <Chutt> | ah. |
21:35 | <Chutt> | hm |
21:35 | <bbeattie> | removing the Qt::UTC as thor said fixes the problem, (with compiling) |
21:35 | <Chutt> | it doesn't do the right thing, though. |
21:46 | <bbeattie> | Chutt: There's a good chance, that even in a couple weeks when the card is released, I won't have the code working perfectly, and in fact, it probably won't be able to seek, and could cause segfaults. If this is the case, would you still consider the patch? I'm not the best programmer, but it atleast is recarding and able to do live-tv somewhat. |
21:47 | <Chutt> | sure |
21:47 | <Chutt> | as long as it doesn't break anything else |
21:47 | <Chutt> | i'll be happy to merge stuff in whenever you send it to me |
21:47 | <bbeattie> | recording.. (And just an fyi.. I get nothing about of what I'm doing, and will be returning the card and having to buy one at full price. I just got to voluneteer to do some work on mythtv when I explained how the creator would want it to be supported, and he didn't have time. |
21:48 | <bbeattie> | :-/ |
21:49 | <bbeattie> | I'm glad to help out, that's the only reason I'm doing this. I do appreciate what you and others have done so far, and am glad I can help where I can. |
21:50 | <bbeattie> | I'm also hoping that when people get the card, they'll do their part to improve the code. ;) |
21:50 | <Chutt> | heh |
21:50 | <Chutt> | well, cool. |
21:57 | <poptix> | hey Chutt, did that DVB code ever make it into CVS? |
21:57 | <Chutt> | what dvb code? |
21:57 | <Chutt> | the original stuff? |
21:57 | <Chutt> | yeah, but it's mostly broken. |
21:57 | <poptix> | no idea |
21:57 | <poptix> | hmm, okay |
21:57 | <poptix> | someone in my LUG wanted to know about satellite+mythtv |
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22:04 | <tdb30_> | is there anything in the display that can indicate the show is being recorded? |
22:04 | <tdb30_> | like maybe a red dot in the info box? |
22:04 | <Chutt> | should be yellow in the watch programs screen |
22:05 | <Chutt> | rkulagow, want a docs resync? |
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23:11 | <bbeattie> | 2 hours of live-tv without locks, segfaults, or errors! ;) |
23:18 | <tdb30_> | :qhow did you do it bbeattie? |
23:18 | <Chutt> | that's normal for most people :p |
23:18 | <Chutt> | though, with other cards, of course |
23:19 | <tdb30_> | I realy like mythtv. I'm puting up with the crashing hoping I stumble upon why its messed up. |
23:19 | <tdb30_> | I search the web daily and come up with 2 or 3 things to try a day |
23:22 | <bbeattie> | tdb30_: I'm not using a normal card, and had to write support for the card.. what are your problems? I'll see if I can help. |
23:22 | <tdb30_> | just system freezes, the occasional oops, and segfaults :) |
23:25 | <bbeattie> | are you using an nvidia card? |
23:25 | <tdb30_> | yup |
23:26 | <bbeattie> | what card, and nvidia driver version? |
23:26 | <bbeattie> | and xfree version? |
23:27 | <tdb30_> | 4.3 |
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23:27 | <tdb30_> | let me get the specifis |
23:27 | <Chutt> | make sure everything's not on the same irq. |
23:27 | <Chutt> | etc |
23:28 | <bahadunn> | how do I get tv out to work on a geforce 2 mx 400 64 mb ram card? |
23:28 | <tdb30_> | nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 440] (rev a3) |
23:28 | <bahadunn> | the console screen is all weird |
23:28 | <tdb30_> | 00:0d |
23:28 | <bahadunn> | half the screen is on the top and half on the bottom |
23:28 | <bahadunn> | tux is on the bottom and he should be on the top |
23:28 | <bahadunn> | and x wont work |
23:29 | <bbeattie> | bahadunn: sounds like a memory problem on the card, does it work fine in windows, or has it before? |
23:29 | <bahadunn> | yes |
23:29 | <Chutt> | bahadunn, use the nvidia driver? |
23:29 | <bahadunn> | it works fine in windows |
23:29 | <bahadunn> | I am |
23:29 | <bahadunn> | I am using the nvidia driver |
23:29 | <bahadunn> | in x that is |
23:29 | <bahadunn> | when I say start x I get a blank screen |
23:29 | <tdb30_> | XFree86 Version 4.3.0 |
23:29 | <Chutt> | then boot with the tv out the only thing connected to the machine |
23:29 | <tdb30_> | Release Date: 27 February 2003 |
23:29 | <bbeattie> | buhadunn: #nvidia is probably going to be more helpful for that. |
23:29 | <tdb30_> | X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 6.6 |
23:29 | <Chutt> | and it just works. |
23:29 | <bahadunn> | k |
23:30 | <tdb30_> | nv version 4363 |
23:30 | <bbeattie> | tdb30_: I'm not sure then, you have close to the latest, .. :-/ |
23:30 | <bahadunn> | I am using the latest nvidia drivers |
23:36 | <bbeattie> | Chutt: should all channel setting be done in the channel.cpp? I;'ve been setting the freq ioctl as a hardcoded channel in my hdtvrecorder.cpp, but now I'm ready to use channels set/given inside of myth, |
23:37 | <Chutt> | well |
23:37 | <bbeattie> | .. but if I don't set them myself, mythfrontend exits -1 on the avformat err, |
23:37 | <Chutt> | does the card do the channels like v4l? |
23:37 | <bbeattie> | could be freqency mismatches between hdtv and ntsc, but hdtv uses uhf frequencies. |
23:37 | <Chutt> | you may want to make a hdtvchannel.cpp |
23:37 | <Chutt> | i dunno |
23:40 | <bbeattie> | What I have to do to get things to work, is call a ioctl(chanfd,VIDIOCSFREQ,&freq), where freq = ((639250/10)*16)/100; , which 639250 is the frequency for channel 42 |
23:42 | <bbeattie> | in your mpegrecorder code, you create a v4l2 format struct of vmft, memset it to 0, an (ioctl(chanfd, VIDIOC_G_FMT, &vfmt) < 0) , then another ioctl with VIDIOC_S_FMT, and you're done. |
23:42 | <Chutt> | right |
23:42 | <Chutt> | the initial channel should be set in channel.cpp |
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23:44 | <bbeattie> | so you read it off the card, and reset it? (I don't understand how that helps/what it does) |
23:45 | <Chutt> | all i'm doing in that bit of code is setting the width/height of the capture |
23:46 | <blow_core> | Thanks to thor and Chutt, I now have a working setup. I have a new problem though, for when (if) you feel like hearing about it. |
23:46 | <bbeattie> | Chutt: right.. that's what I thought it may have been doing, so basically this comes down to channel freqency mismatches probably.. Thanks That helps. |
23:48 | <bbeattie> | SO to make sure, removing that code shouldn't effect anything, if I don't need to set width/height? |
23:48 | <Chutt> | right |
23:50 | <blow_core> | Nevermind. Back to google. It's not just Myth that has the issue. If someone knows where to start looking for what would make a sound card loop on the initial sample it gets though, I'm all ears. |
23:51 | <Chutt> | heh |
23:51 | <Chutt> | no idea |
23:52 | <blow_core> | I know what would fix it -- a real sound card. Unfortunately though, that's not going to happen as all my card slots are full. |
23:52 | <blow_core> | er, PCI slots |
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