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| 00:01 | <Captain_Murdoch> | jhurliman: nothing else that I noticed other than the couple things I mentioned earlier. |
| 00:02 | <jhurliman> | alright, here we go |
| 00:04 | <jhurliman> | is 13k too big for the mailing list or no big deal? |
| 00:07 | <Captain_Murdoch> | other people have sent backtraces that big so I don't see it as a problem. |
| 00:09 | <mdz> | Chutt: does the bttv driver throw away its state when the file descriptor is closed or something? |
| 00:09 | <mdz> | this isn't making sense to me |
| 00:09 | <mdz> | I'm pretty sure how it used to work was that if you exited live tv and went back in, it would stay on the same input |
| 00:09 | <mdz> | but now it goes back to the default input |
| 00:09 | <mdz> | but the Channel still thinks it's on the old one |
| 00:11 | <Chutt> | jhurliman, yeah, but i don't feel like doing the code to make it fall back like that =) |
| 00:11 | <Chutt> | mdz, i dunno |
| 00:12 | <Chutt> | it may be that change that fixed your audio =) |
| 00:12 | <Chutt> | maybe i'll hook something up to my s-video in later |
| 00:12 | <Chutt> | and see if i can figure it out |
| 00:12 | <mdz> | I'm pretty sure I can brute-force fix it by having it always change the input, even if it thinks it's already there |
| 00:12 | <mdz> | but I can't figure out what changed to make it work differently |
| 00:15 | <jhurliman> | ok the patch is heading to the mailing list, i gotta run though later everyone |
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| 00:16 | <mdz> | the only relevant thing I can see which has changed since 0.10 is that extra VIDIOCSCHAN in nvr |
| 00:16 | <mdz> | and all that does is do a VIDIOCGCHAN and pass it back in to SCHAN |
| 00:18 | <mdz> | it seems like it has to be that, though |
| 00:23 | <mdz> | --- cvs.mythtv.org ping statistics --- |
| 00:23 | <mdz> | 7 packets transmitted, 5 received, 28% packet loss, time 6050ms |
| 00:23 | <mdz> | rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 1861.871/1934.832/2027.121/60.616 ms, pipe 3 |
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| 00:28 | <Captain_Murdoch> | Chutt, I'm going to test jhurliman's patch and commit it tomorrow unless you get bored and beat me to it. looks ok visually I think but haven't applied it to my tree yet. he does have some extra junk at the bottom in main.cpp that he forgot to strip out (it wasn't in his earlier patch) |
| 00:29 | <bline> | hey tmk |
| 00:32 | <mdz> | oh for fuck's sake |
| 00:33 | <mdz> | Chutt: did you delete XJ.{cpp,h} out of the repository? |
| 00:33 | <Captain_Murdoch> | mdz, I think he moved that stuff somewhere else. |
| 00:33 | <mdz> | Captain_Murdoch: yes, I know, but he did it inside the repository instead of using cvs |
| 00:33 | <mdz> | which means it's now impossible to back out to a previous date or release |
| 00:34 | <Captain_Murdoch> | oh, yeah.. :( |
| 00:34 | <mdz> | which means I can't compile anything at all anymore |
| 00:34 | <bline> | Chutt: what do you think about making a subclass for all the Qt widgets. Do you see other options that I am missing. |
| 00:35 | <Captain_Murdoch> | you can't compile current cvs? |
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| 00:36 | <mdz> | Captain_Murdoch: no |
| 00:37 | <mdz> | it requires a recent xfree86 |
| 00:37 | <Captain_Murdoch> | even with the xvmc stuff turned off? |
| 00:38 | <mdz> | Captain_Murdoch: scroll up |
| 00:38 | <Captain_Murdoch> | what's "recent"? |
| 00:38 | <mdz> | <mdz> ../libavcodec/xvmc_render.h:21: syntax error before `*' |
| 00:38 | <Captain_Murdoch> | yeah, saw that earlier but forgot. |
| 00:39 | <TonyJ> | has anyone else had problems with mythweather? |
| 00:39 | <mdz> | honestly I don't know what it is that breaks it. maybe not xfree86. |
| 00:42 | <Captain_Murdoch> | how is that getting included unless you turned on xvmc? |
| 00:42 | <mdz> | Captain_Murdoch: I didn't turn on shit |
| 00:42 | <mdz> | I didn't touch xvmc anything |
| 00:45 | <mdz> | I have to go back to 0.10 |
| 00:45 | <Captain_Murdoch> | weird. xvmcvideo.c only includes xvmc_render.h if HAVE_XVMC is defined which gets put in config.h by configure if you enable xvmc. |
| 00:45 | <mdz> | if "enable xvmc" means "run make", I guess I enabled it |
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| 00:46 | <Captain_Murdoch> | no, "configure --enable-xvmc" |
| 00:46 | <Captain_Murdoch> | so config.h doesn't have HAVE_XVMC in it. |
| 00:47 | <mdz> | what is the default? |
| 00:47 | <Captain_Murdoch> | shouldn't be in there at all if it's off. |
| 00:47 | <Captain_Murdoch> | code just does an #ifdef not an #if |
| 00:47 | <mdz> | no, the default is to autodetect |
| 00:47 | <mdz> | in configure |
| 00:47 | <mdz> | which is what fucked me |
| 00:48 | <Captain_Murdoch> | oh, thought you meant default value of HAVE_XVMC |
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| 00:50 | <Captain_Murdoch> | I don't see it autodetecting. I see it checking if you set --enable-xvmc but that's the only place it checks |
| 00:50 | <mdz> | mizar:[~/src/deb/mine/upstream/mythtv] grep -i xvmc config.h |
| 00:50 | <mdz> | zsh: exit 1 grep -i xvmc config.h |
| 00:50 | <mdz> | In file included from avformatdecoder.cpp:13: |
| 00:50 | <mdz> | ../libavcodec/xvmc_render.h:21: syntax error before `*' |
| 00:51 | <mdz> | #include <iostream> |
| 00:51 | <mdz> | #include <assert.h> |
| 00:51 | <mdz> | using namespace std; |
| 00:51 | <mdz> | #include "avformatdecoder.h" |
| 00:51 | <mdz> | #include "RingBuffer.h" |
| 00:51 | <mdz> | #include "NuppelVideoPlayer.h" |
| 00:51 | <mdz> | #include "remoteencoder.h" |
| 00:51 | <mdz> | #include "programinfo.h" |
| 00:51 | <mdz> | extern "C" { |
| 00:51 | <mdz> | #include "../libavcodec/xvmc_render.h" |
| 00:51 | <mdz> | } |
| 00:51 | <mdz> | that is the first bit of avformatdecoder.cpp |
| 00:51 | <mdz> | there is no #ifdef |
| 00:51 | <Captain_Murdoch> | ah.. that code needs an #ifdef HAVE_XVMC around it. |
| 00:51 | <Captain_Murdoch> | the #include |
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| 00:51 | <jhurliman> | hmm, would xvmc speed up playback of the software encoded files myth creates also, or just hardware mpeg-2? |
| 00:52 | <mdz> | will that work? it doesn't include config.h (and I thought config.h was only for libavcodec anwyay) |
| 00:52 | <mdz> | Captain_Murdoch: and that wouldn't help anyway |
| 00:52 | <Captain_Murdoch> | mdz, yeah was just looking at that. |
| 00:52 | <mdz> | because it uses things from that header later on |
| 00:53 | <Captain_Murdoch> | so current cvs is broken for anyone without xvmc headers? since xvmc code in avformatdecoder.cpp isn't #ifdef wrapped. |
| 00:53 | <mdz> | I'm fixing it now |
| 00:54 | <mdz> | committed |
| 00:56 | <Chutt> | i just had figured that the xvmc stuff came with the x headers |
| 00:56 | <Chutt> | guess not =) |
| 00:57 | <Captain_Murdoch> | maybe it's certain versions of th headers. it didn't complain that it couldn't find X11/extensions/XvMClib.h but that it didn't know about XvMCMacroBlock I think. |
| 00:57 | <mdz> | Captain_Murdoch: right |
| 00:58 | <mdz> | maybe xlibs-dev 4.2.1-3 is broken or something |
| 00:58 | <mdz> | that's what I have on my myth box |
| 00:58 | <mdz> | er |
| 00:58 | <mdz> | but it's not what I was building with |
| 00:58 | <mdz> | it's probably in 4.2.x but not in 4.1.x (woody) |
| 00:58 | <Captain_Murdoch> | I'm using 4.2.0 I think and it was ok with this. |
| 00:59 | <Captain_Murdoch> | anyway, bedtime. glad it's figured out. |
| 01:01 | <hadees> | is there any real diffrence in tv capture cards, i mean besides mpeg 2 and just normal ones |
| 01:01 | <jhurliman> | night cap'n |
| 01:01 | <jhurliman> | hadees: quality, btaudio, driver support |
| 01:02 | <hadees> | so what would you recommend as the best |
| 01:03 | <jhurliman> | for example, the pinnacle pctv rave card has poor quality, is incorrectly wired so btaudio doesnt work, and locks up your system with most versions of bttv |
| 01:03 | <jhurliman> | i'm a hauppauge fan myself, zoltrix tv genie is also very nice and inexpensive, and if you are handy with a soldering iron there's a mod to get really high quality tv out of it |
| 01:04 | <hadees> | so like the win tv is a good one |
| 01:05 | <jhurliman> | that's what im using, works like a charm |
| 01:05 | <Timon> | jhurliman: Is the quality of the zoltrix (pre-mod) good, bad, fair? |
| 01:05 | <jhurliman> | Timon: it is comparable to the hauppauge IMO, a hair short but good enough for an interlaced TV or smaller CRT |
| 01:06 | <hadees> | jhurliman: do you know where i can learn more about the zoltrix mod? |
| 01:06 | <jhurliman> | hadees: google :), i dont have a link offhand |
| 01:06 | <jhurliman> | oh wait, http://www.avsforum.com/ |
| 01:06 | <Timon> | jhurliman: How does it compare post mod? |
| 01:06 | <jhurliman> | Timon: i havent modded mine, but i might now that it's not in my main myth box. people have said its the superior option for analog tv post-mod |
| 01:07 | <Timon> | jhurliman: If I remember correctly the zoltrix is a mpeg card right? |
| 01:08 | <jhurliman> | Timon: mine (zoltrix tv genie) doesnt have hardware mpeg-2, if thats what you meant |
| 01:08 | <Timon> | Yeah, thats what I meant |
| 01:09 | <hadees> | anyone have a link to the mod, google doesn't seem to return it |
| 01:10 | * bline | gets ignored |
| 01:11 | <Timon> | bline: Me thinks myth needs a generic key post event class :-) |
| 01:11 | <Timon> | I'm trying to do the LCD stuff, and my LCD has buttons so I'm trying to figure out how to get those posted |
| 01:12 | <jhurliman> | oh yeah zoltrix and hauppauge have radio too :) |
| 01:12 | <Timon> | the fake key events that is |
| 01:12 | <bline> | Timon: I'm writting a keymap class that allows registering events for states |
| 01:12 | <Timon> | bline: Really? What do you mean for states? |
| 01:13 | <bline> | the database will have something like: char name, char state, int key, char action |
| 01:13 | <Timon> | Ok, I think I understand what your doing / why your doing it |
| 01:14 | <bline> | well, things have states, for example when you hit FastForward you change states. If you hit pause you are in the pause state |
| 01:14 | <hadees> | what exaclty is radio feature? Is it only radio that comes through your cable company? |
| 01:14 | <Timon> | Ok, makes sense. Its going to require a lot of work patching myth and its various modules |
| 01:14 | <jhurliman> | Timon: go to the avsforum and search for "zoltrix kbk" (no quotes), that's the guy on there that sells them pre-modded |
| 01:14 | <Timon> | hadees: Its a fm tuner |
| 01:14 | <Timon> | jhurliman: thanks |
| 01:15 | <hadees> | So does it require an antenna |
| 01:15 | <bline> | Timon: yeah, but the class I am writting will make it pretty easy |
| 01:15 | <jhurliman> | hadees: fm radio tuner. you can get a radio tuner program (or write one for myth, hint hint) and listen to fm radio |
| 01:15 | <bline> | you just register event functions with states |
| 01:15 | <bigguy> | jhurliman: I thought he ran out of sources for the modable version of that card |
| 01:15 | <Timon> | bline: Will it allow me to post events? Ie user pressed down arrow on keypad on lcd, I want to send Key_Down to currently active window |
| 01:16 | <jhurliman> | bigguy: ack, i haven't been following it closely you are probably right. i wonder if mine is even modable |
| 01:16 | <bline> | Timon: use lirc for that :p |
| 01:16 | <hadees> | i know but where do you get the signal from, when i heard about it before i always belived it was an antenna but i can swear i read an article talking about getting it from your coax cable comming from your cable company |
| 01:16 | <bigguy> | jhurliman: he had a picture up at one time showing what the modable ones looked like |
| 01:17 | <Timon> | bline: Ack, arg, hmm, ok, yeah, crap :-) |
| 01:17 | <Timon> | hadees: Are you talking about the music channels digital cable has? |
| 01:18 | <hadees> | nope |
| 01:18 | <bline> | Timon: I think Snow-Man is working on something like that |
| 01:18 | <hadees> | so these cards have an antenna input right? |
| 01:18 | <Timon> | bline: Posting keys via lirc? |
| 01:18 | <Timon> | hadees: Yeah |
| 01:18 | <Timon> | Snow-Man: You up? |
| 01:19 | <bline> | Posting keys via another myth client |
| 01:19 | <Timon> | ok |
| 01:19 | <hadees> | hmm, mabey it was a limited case of a cable company sending fm raido over thier cables... |
| 01:19 | <bline> | with the current lirc support, you can post events via it, there are code example in lirc iirc |
| 01:19 | <jhurliman> | hadees: coaxial cable ran throughout the city makes for a great antennae for fm radio |
| 01:20 | <Timon> | hadees: I couldn't see a reason a cable company would waste bandwidth re-broadcasting the fm signal |
| 01:20 | <jhurliman> | hadees: that's what i use, the tuner cards provide a coax input for fm tuner as well as most home theater receivers offering fm |
| 01:20 | <Timon> | bline: Ok, thanks I'm going to have to check that |
| 01:21 | <hadees> | ah so it just uses the cable as an antenna, that makes sense |
| 01:21 | <hadees> | i thought i was going crazy |
| 01:21 | <Timon> | hadees: You are :-) |
| 01:22 | <hadees> | well my nick is a misspelling of a mythological devil |
| 01:25 | <jhurliman> | mythologicial god of the underworld, he only became a devil after it was changed from old mythology to christian religion |
| 01:26 | <jhurliman> | why the misspelling? |
| 01:26 | <hadees> | ey tomato tomato, i am jewish don't belive in the devil |
| 01:26 | <hadees> | because hades is always taken |
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| 01:26 | <jhurliman> | true :) |
| 01:26 | <hadees> | hadees how ever is unique |
| 01:27 | <Timon> | hadees: Does judaism have a Christian equivilent of the devil? |
| 01:28 | <Timon> | s/judaism/Judaism/g |
| 01:28 | <hadees> | nope |
| 01:28 | <Timon> | They of cource believe in Yahweh correct? |
| 01:29 | <hadees> | yeah same religon minus hazeus |
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| 01:30 | <Timon> | hazeus is the Jewish word for hades? |
| 01:30 | <hadees> | thats spanish for jesus |
| 01:30 | <hadees> | i was being cute |
| 01:30 | <Timon> | Ahh, ok |
| 01:31 | <hadees> | basicly its the old testament |
| 01:31 | <Timon> | If I remember correctly the Jews believe in Jesus, they just don't believe He's devine / The Son of God? |
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| 01:31 | <jhurliman> | i've been running my production box with transcoding turned on for about a week now with no noticeable problems. Chutt mentioned stability issues, is there anything i should be wary of before integrating it in to a commercial product/ |
| 01:31 | <Timon> | hadees: I remember that much. I really should attend Bible study more often. |
| 01:32 | <Timon> | jhurliman: What commercial product you making? |
| 01:32 | <jhurliman> | Timon: http://www.focustheater.com/ |
| 01:32 | <hadees> | i say basicly because there are diffrences but anyway |
| 01:33 | <hadees> | jhurliman: you selling htpcs? |
| 01:33 | <jhurliman> | i mentioned it in here once or twice... putting finishing touches on it these days |
| 01:33 | <jhurliman> | hadees: yep |
| 01:33 | <Timon> | jhurliman: Looks good! |
| 01:33 | <jhurliman> | thanks :) |
| 01:34 | <Timon> | how much? |
| 01:34 | <jhurliman> | 995.00 |
| 01:34 | <Timon> | ouch, a g |
| 01:34 | <jhurliman> | it's aimed at a replacement for upscaling equipment, not as a pvr |
| 01:34 | <Timon> | jhurliman: Have you seen the coolmaster htpc case? |
| 01:34 | <jhurliman> | that's a feature that mythtv provides though |
| 01:34 | <Timon> | jhurliman: ahh, ok |
| 01:34 | <jhurliman> | Timon: its in my living room, has it's ups and downs |
| 01:35 | <hadees> | so it will do everything but pvr? |
| 01:35 | <hadees> | kind of like freevo |
| 01:35 | <jhurliman> | the ATC-630, the newer one is supposed to have some improvements but the Lian Li case i use for the products is decently smaller and has an actual color scheme |
| 01:35 | <Timon> | jhurliman: What don't you like about the case? you have the black one with the front face that comes down? |
| 01:36 | <jhurliman> | hadees: no it's based on mythtv, so it has all the mythtv features plus some stuff i've added, including upscaling to hdtv |
| 01:36 | <hadees> | this is the case i am using |
| 01:36 | <hadees> | http://www.atechfabrication.com/home_theater_computers.htm |
| 01:36 | <hadees> | so what did you add? or is it a trade secret? |
| 01:36 | <Timon> | He's got component out on it :-) |
| 01:37 | <Timon> | How'd you get that? |
| 01:37 | <jhurliman> | Timon: it has a dark grey shell, silver aluminum front with a green glass fold-down. it's a very nicely built case, but the color scheme looks rather odd to me, and it's a tad too big for most home theater cabinets |
| 01:37 | <hadees> | mabey he put a transcoder in the case |
| 01:37 | <jhurliman> | Timon: I have a contract with a high quality cable manufacturer, vga can be converted to anything |
| 01:38 | <jhurliman> | hadees: the "trade secrets" are under the GPLv2 :). it will all be posted soon enough |
| 01:38 | <Timon> | jhurliman: The local inCOMPitent USA has a coolmaster htpc case, all black, fold down black front which hides the cd/dvd drive |
| 01:39 | <Timon> | Its a nice case, I just can't see paying $200 for a case, then another $80 for a decent power supply |
| 01:39 | <jhurliman> | Timon: ahh, i haven't seen that one except pictures, it looked nice though. with a micro-atx mobo the coolermaster cases always leave a lot of empty space |
| 01:39 | <hadees> | jhurliman: mabey you can answer a question i have had for a while, I got componet input on my tv but it isn't hdtv could i just use a cable crossover? |
| 01:39 | <jhurliman> | apparently for water cooling rigs or liquid nitrogen tanks, given their target market :) |
| 01:39 | <Timon> | All aluminum (sp?), its nice and light, but to spendy |
| 01:40 | <jhurliman> | hadees: do you know what signal it is? YPbPr? RGBHV? |
| 01:40 | <hadees> | YPbPr |
| 01:40 | <jhurliman> | hmm, but it's an interlaced tv? or can it do progressive |
| 01:40 | <hadees> | well it sure isn't hdtv |
| 01:41 | <Timon> | Is there an easy way to tell if your tv can do progressive? |
| 01:41 | <hadees> | I don |
| 01:41 | <hadees> | 't |
| 01:41 | <hadees> | know exaclty what it is, seems like not alot of people do either |
| 01:41 | <Timon> | I got a new 32" wega, nice screen |
| 01:41 | <jhurliman> | look it up online is all i can guess |
| 01:42 | <hadees> | I think it is interlaced though |
| 01:42 | <jhurliman> | you will most likely need a http://www.ramelectronics.net/html/kd-vtca2.htm and http://www.cobaltcable.com/product/svga_breakout_cable.htm (YPbPr version) |
| 01:43 | <jhurliman> | YPbPr is actually a different signal than DB15 (VGA), so you need that transcoder |
| 01:44 | <jhurliman> | and you need a video card that supports interlaced output at 640x480 60Hz 31.5kHz |
| 01:46 | <hadees> | jhurliman: you code the update system your self? |
| 01:46 | <jhurliman> | oh man, this is completely off-topic but i cant stop laughing: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=47066&cid=4829665 |
| 01:46 | <jhurliman> | hadees: well i cant take credit for gentoo's portage system, but i built a frontend for it in mythtv |
| 01:48 | <hadees> | so does it update itself through mythtv's cvs tree? or do you controll the updates your clients get |
| 01:49 | <jhurliman> | hadees: i control it since all the modules have my patches applied to them. the ebuilds are basically clean cvs checkouts (or releases) + a bunch of patch and config files though |
| 01:50 | <jhurliman> | some of the patches are useful for other people so i submit them to the list, most are gui hacks for the product's purposes though |
| 01:51 | <hadees> | intresting, what remote are you going with for your clients? I have been wanting to use netremote.org, some guy is supposed to be working on a port for linux how ever he is taking his sweat time |
| 01:51 | <hadees> | i offered to help he told me he would contact me when he started coding again... |
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| 01:52 | <Timon> | hadees: lirc supports a net remote option |
| 01:53 | <jhurliman> | hadees: the unit ships with the packard bell pc remote / receiver. kind of unconventional for hi-fi home theater but its very well suited to myth, and work is being done on compatibility with the expensive universal remotes |
| 01:53 | <hadees> | it does? netremote.org? |
| 01:53 | <Timon> | hadees: I don't if it supports netremote. |
| 01:54 | <jhurliman> | ? it runs on a pda? |
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| 01:54 | <Timon> | But I know lirc supports a net remote option. It allows you to have the ir on one computer, and send it to another computer |
| 01:54 | <jhurliman> | pocket pc aha |
| 01:55 | <hadees> | well a nice thing also is it doesn't use IR |
| 01:55 | <hadees> | it uses wireless internet |
| 01:55 | <Timon> | jhurliman: Do you repackage the pack bell remote, or leave it in the beigh shell? |
| 01:55 | <Timon> | hadees: Ahh |
| 01:55 | <jhurliman> | Timon: original white shell |
| 01:56 | <Timon> | jhurliman: Uck :-) What do clients think seeing a pack bell remote :-) |
| 01:56 | <hadees> | you should use the windows media center remote from HP and change the icon in it, that would be neat |
| 01:56 | <hadees> | in the myhtpc.net forum i remember reading about some one modding the remote like that |
| 01:56 | <jhurliman> | hadees: the remote i would really love to use is the xbox remote :) |
| 01:57 | <Timon> | I need to dig up my pack bell remote and re-eval it for myth |
| 01:57 | <hadees> | nah i don't care for it, also no on/off switch |
| 01:57 | <jhurliman> | Timon: actually most high-end home theater users already have some sort of remote, and just want a device id or config file to make it work with their existing solution |
| 01:57 | <Timon> | ahh |
| 01:57 | <jhurliman> | still looking at any other nicer looking remotes though |
| 01:57 | <hadees> | jhurliman: what you should do is get uirt-usb working with mythtv, then you could also change digital cable boxs |
| 01:58 | <jhurliman> | Timon: if you do i can send you my lirc configs for myth.. even though it's changed now but shows my key mapping |
| 01:58 | <hadees> | misterhouse already uses it so it can be done |
| 01:58 | <Timon> | jhurliman: dan@milkcarton.com |
| 01:58 | <hadees> | thats somthing i want to work on is a mythtv misterhouse front end |
| 01:59 | <jhurliman> | hadees: this first version only works with analog cable, no external tuner. once its off the ground new versions including external tuners, digital cable/satellite, etc, etc |
| 01:59 | <hadees> | problem is i don't have a dev machine handy, tired using my laptop, no luck |
| 01:59 | <hadees> | keep having problems because i don't have a tv tuner |
| 02:00 | <jhurliman> | hadees: you can have my pinnacle card for $10 :) |
| 02:00 | <hadees> | hehe i am building an htpc just don't have it yet |
| 02:01 | <jhurliman> | ahh |
| 02:01 | <hadees> | i mean i an't the worlds greatest programmer but i think once i get a dev box up i can do some stuff for mythtv |
| 02:01 | <Timon> | jhurliman: You going to send me your config? :-) |
| 02:02 | <Timon> | Oops, didn't check my in box |
| 02:03 | <hadees> | my great goal how ever i think is beyond my reach, i found a xmms plugin for using winamp 2.x visualization using winelib, only problem is it is broken because of wine being updated |
| 02:03 | <hadees> | and the orginal author has no intrest in it |
| 02:04 | <hadees> | i want to add the code into mythmusic but that requires me learning winamp 2 plugin arch, xmms plugin arch, fixing the xmms plugin then porting it into winamp |
| 02:04 | <jhurliman> | Timon: sent, any delays can be blamed on my inferior mail setup |
| 02:04 | <hadees> | oh yeah and learning winelib |
| 02:04 | <Timon> | jhurliman: It was me. I didn't hear the beep indicating new mail |
| 02:05 | <Timon> | jhurliman: You run your own mail setup? |
| 02:05 | <jhurliman> | hadees: adding winelib as a dep to mythtv would be the ultimate battle :) |
| 02:06 | <jhurliman> | Timon: arghhh, i've had so many problems with smtp servers i finally asked around in here and got help running my own with exim |
| 02:06 | <jhurliman> | it seems to work much better than the others, though |
| 02:07 | <Timon> | jhurliman: Its not bad. I've run my own mail setup for 2+ years. I don't want to be at the mercy of someone else for my mail. I want the flexibility of having IMap and using LDap for my address book. |
| 02:07 | <Timon> | Hell, I just like having a 50mb trash folder :-) |
| 02:07 | <hadees> | jhurliman: you can't deny that being able to run alot of the winamp vis plugins wouldn't be f*#@ing amazing |
| 02:08 | * Chutt | unplugs the cvs server |
| 02:08 | <Timon> | need to be able to do the winamp skins too. . . I have a skin with Ali Landry in it, oh yeah shes hot :-) |
| 02:08 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 02:09 | <Chutt> | i wrote the first mp3 player that did winamp skins besides winamp |
| 02:09 | <Chutt> | looong time ago |
| 02:22 | <Timon> | I remember when winamp wasn't a free product. |
| 02:22 | <jhurliman> | hadees: what about just xmms plugin support to start? there must be some ok plugins for xmms |
| 02:22 | <Timon> | Hell, I remember when mp3's first started comming out. |
| 02:22 | <Chutt> | jhurliman, only problem is xmms (and it's plugins) are gtk |
| 02:22 | <jhurliman> | even though i have a grudge against xmms, since it is broken on my system, and i emerged it! |
| 02:22 | <jhurliman> | ahh right, xmms plugins handle their own windowing. it would be easier to implement sonique plugins or something similar, where video is just passed back to the api |
| 02:22 | <hadees> | jhurliman: that would be winamp->xmms->mythtv |
| 02:22 | <Chutt> | it's really easy to port xmms vis plugins to mythmusic |
| 02:22 | <Chutt> | that's what the blurscope and goom are |
| 02:22 | <jhurliman> | hmm |
| 02:22 | <hadees> | my problem isn't the porting its fixing the xmms winamp plugin |
| 02:22 | <hadees> | never used winelib before, i am not even sure why its broken |
| 02:22 | <jhurliman> | i suppose more could be ported over, it's plenty of visuals for me though right now. i'd rather see some work on tvtime deinterlacers in myth :) but beggars cant be chooser |
| 02:22 | <jhurliman> | s |
| 02:22 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 02:22 | <Chutt> | couple more people whose isps use spews |
| 02:22 | <Chutt> | funny |
| 02:22 | <hadees> | jhurliman: i agree just the winamp one would be nice because instead of just one more viz its a bunch |
| 02:22 | <Timon> | yet another reason why I run my own mail server :-) |
| 02:22 | <Timon> | hadees: Most of the winamp visuals are crap. Though there are a few good ones. |
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| 02:22 | <hadees> | Timon: there are some really nice ones, the thing is there is just so many of them, alot do suck but some are great |
| 02:22 | <jhurliman> | there's so much there... once you can get winamp plugins running through an xmms plugin that uses winelib that's implemented in mythtv, which can send lirc keys back to the winamp plugin for things like the avs plugin... you get a prize |
| 02:22 | <Timon> | Yeah, some are awesome. But I've just seen to many crappy ones that were voted high |
| 02:22 | <hadees> | now if only the all knowing wise intelligent and did i mention good looking Chutt would fix the plugin and port it to mythtv... |
| 02:22 | <hadees> | hehe, i got to get my hardware soon so i can do somthing with mythtv, I got to implement one of my ideas |
| 02:22 | <hadees> | i am living at a beach house during the summer and all i have is my laptop, i am going through nerd withdrawal |
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| 02:22 | <jhurliman> | hadees: what kind of laptop? |
| 02:22 | <hadees> | thinkpad r31 |
| 02:22 | <jhurliman> | i have an averatec coming in the mail, would like to hear about linux compatibility from an experienced linux user |
| 02:22 | <jhurliman> | i think i'm going to have a go at getting a refund for windows :-) |
| 02:23 | <jhurliman> | so what's the deal with current cvs? should i wait a day or two before checking out for better lirc support and misc. things? |
| 02:25 | <chmod_700> | Chutt: you here? |
| 02:30 | <chmod_700> | jhurliman: you a gentoo user? |
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| 02:36 | <Chutt> | yes. |
| 02:36 | <jhurliman> | chmod_700: yes |
| 02:37 | <jhurliman> | Chutt: that delaying to next trigger hasn't popped up so far, no idea what i did although i think it might have been related to alsa oss emulation and btaudio fighting. im blaming it on terrorism |
| 02:37 | <chmod_700> | cool |
| 02:38 | <chmod_700> | did you catch my message above chutt? |
| 02:38 | <chmod_700> | it was a MySQL file permission error |
| 02:38 | <Chutt> | what message above? |
| 02:38 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 02:38 | <chmod_700> | good deal |
| 02:38 | <chmod_700> | thanks for your help |
| 02:38 | <chmod_700> | myth rocks |
| 02:38 | <Chutt> | i even put in a line to print out an error if that query fails |
| 02:38 | <chmod_700> | ahhhh good man |
| 02:38 | <chmod_700> | :D |
| 02:38 | <chmod_700> | does QT have a mysql_error() equivilant? |
| 02:39 | <chmod_700> | like PHP? |
| 02:39 | <Timon> | jhurliman: Did you get the lircin stuff to work in lircd? |
| 02:39 | <Timon> | Err nm, your not doing what I'm doing. |
| 02:39 | <Timon> | Ignore me |
| 02:40 | <jhurliman> | :-) |
| 02:40 | <Timon> | For some reason I thought you were using a remote to send data to the computer . . . :-) |
| 02:40 | <Timon> | But in my mind I got that mixed up with the LCDProc lircin stuff |
| 02:40 | <jhurliman> | what would be the command-line query to turn on deinterlacing in mythtv, if i was to ssh to the box and run mysql? |
| 02:40 | <Chutt> | chmod_700, 'course |
| 02:41 | <Timon> | jhurliman: You would have to update a setting the mysql db. |
| 02:41 | <Timon> | in the settings table |
| 02:42 | <jhurliman> | i'll look up what it is, my sql is very rusty though. UPDATE value="1" FROM settings WHERE option="something"; ? |
| 02:42 | <chmod_700> | update TABLENAME |
| 02:42 | <chmod_700> | update table set foo=1 where x=10; |
| 02:43 | <jhurliman> | ty |
| 02:43 | <chmod_700> | np |
| 02:44 | <chmod_700> | is there a howto on themes somehwhere? or do I just need to dig in and read the xml files of the others? |
| 02:45 | <Timon> | chmod_700: search the mailing list |
| 02:45 | <Timon> | John Danner created one about 2-3 months ago |
| 02:46 | <Chutt> | geez |
| 02:46 | <Chutt> | i plug in the cvs server |
| 02:46 | <Chutt> | and instantly, it's being used |
| 02:46 | <chmod_700> | Timon: thx man |
| 02:46 | <Timon> | Chutt: heh |
| 02:46 | <Timon> | chmod_700: np |
| 02:50 | <jhurliman> | is there a reason that all the channels would be off by one or two? or is that just bad data from zap2it |
| 02:50 | <Chutt> | off by one is usually tv standard misdetection |
| 02:51 | <jhurliman> | eh? |
| 02:51 | <Chutt> | unless you're talking about the data being off |
| 02:51 | <Chutt> | and not the channels you're tuning to |
| 02:51 | <jhurliman> | channel 33 in the EPG is really channel 34, and all channels are like this |
| 02:52 | <jhurliman> | it might actually be two off instead of one not positive, its not in front of me |
| 02:52 | <Chutt> | lotta people with ati cards have their tuner detected as PAL when it should be ntsc |
| 02:52 | <Chutt> | causes the channels to show up as off by one, and poor quality |
| 02:53 | <jhurliman> | hmm, i will look at forcing with bttv, i'd think by now it could figure out the hauppauge wintv-radio pretty well though |
| 02:53 | <Chutt> | that's generally ok |
| 02:53 | <Timon> | jhurliman: Is the data off vs whats in the tv guide? |
| 02:54 | <chmod_700> | i have the off by one sometimes |
| 02:54 | <chmod_700> | but not the tuner |
| 02:54 | <Chutt> | but, could just be bad data |
| 02:54 | <chmod_700> | picture is crystal clear and channel is correct when watching tv, then the program finder reports data wrong |
| 02:54 | <jhurliman> | Timon: not sure i understand.. ok looking at it right now, channels 2-30 something appear to be off by one. epg says FOX is something else, calls SPEED HGTV, but channel 42 is correctly cartoon network |
| 02:54 | <chmod_700> | yeah im guessing xmltv is feeding mysql crap |
| 02:54 | <hadees> | anyone every think about having certain mythtv plugins become channels, like the way some tvs have the video inputs be 0 or between the first and last channel |
| 02:54 | <jhurliman> | so maybe my cable company changed? how would i update to reflect this |
| 02:55 | <chmod_700> | truncate channel; |
| 02:55 | <Chutt> | well, easiest way is to just clear the program and channel tables |
| 02:55 | <chmod_700> | :D |
| 02:55 | <hadees> | just would be an easier way to switch between like mythmusic and mythtv |
| 02:55 | <chmod_700> | i noticed that tv_grab_na returned two channel 19's |
| 02:55 | <jhurliman> | Chutt: ok, well i need to change my setup program to do that then |
| 02:55 | <chmod_700> | i commented one out |
| 02:56 | <hadees> | or have a football game going in the picture in picture box while listening to music |
| 02:56 | <Timon> | chmod_700: I get that, I have two channel networks which share the same channel. I just commented it out entirely, nothing is good on the channel at any time. |
| 02:57 | <chmod_700> | lol |
| 02:57 | <chmod_700> | yeah one is cspan2 and the other is pub access here, neither is worth the trouble |
| 02:57 | <jhurliman> | and ~/.mythtv/Cable.xml too right? |
| 02:57 | <chmod_700> | yea |
| 02:57 | <chmod_700> | channel: 18 EDAC018 |
| 02:57 | <chmod_700> | channel: 19 CSPAN2 |
| 02:57 | <chmod_700> | not channel: 19 PUAC019 |
| 02:57 | <chmod_700> | channel: 20 GOAC020 |
| 02:57 | <Chutt> | that'll get updated when you run the tv_grab_na --configure |
| 02:57 | <chmod_700> | i just prefixed 'not ' |
| 02:58 | <Chutt> | # works :p |
| 02:58 | <chmod_700> | ahhh |
| 02:58 | <jhurliman> | Timon: i get that too on channel 67 or something |
| 02:58 | <Timon> | jhurliman: Check zap2it, is the data wrong there? |
| 02:58 | <chmod_700> | will the # stay across mythfilldatabase calls chutt? |
| 02:58 | <Chutt> | of course. |
| 02:58 | <chmod_700> | groovy |
| 02:59 | <chmod_700> | i guess i should rebuild the channel DB now |
| 02:59 | <jhurliman> | Chutt: one useful thing you could pull from my mythsettings module, i updated the mythfilldatabase to have a --firsttime option, so it only grabs 2 days worth when you run from the setup menu, and it displays an accurate progress bar for the tv_grab_na (instead of seemingly freezing the setup for 20 minutes) |
| 03:00 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 03:00 | <chmod_700> | that would rule |
| 03:00 | <chmod_700> | it takes forever on the first run |
| 03:00 | <Chutt> | there's no reason to wait for it to complete |
| 03:00 | <Chutt> | past the first day, at least |
| 03:00 | <chmod_700> | i just wait for it to get the 1st days worth |
| 03:01 | <chmod_700> | first time users don't know that though |
| 03:01 | <chmod_700> | i waited the first time |
| 03:01 | <jhurliman> | that's assuming you are watching the console |
| 03:01 | <jhurliman> | i "killall setup" the first time, then went back and realized my mistake :) |
| 03:02 | <Chutt> | it shouldn't be grabbing any data at all when you run setup |
| 03:02 | <chmod_700> | if i reset the program table will it mess up any existing recordings, or scheduled items? |
| 03:03 | <Chutt> | shouldn't. |
| 03:03 | <chmod_700> | ok |
| 03:04 | <chmod_700> | noticed new station available (19 PUAC019), re-run --configure |
| 03:04 | <chmod_700> | I commented it out, but I guess that is fine? |
| 03:04 | <Timon> | chmod_700: I ignore those |
| 03:04 | <chmod_700> | cool |
| 03:04 | <chmod_700> | Chutt: what platform did you write most of this on? |
| 03:05 | <chmod_700> | is there a "standard" distro most myth users use? |
| 03:05 | <chmod_700> | or am i probing for a holy war? |
| 03:05 | <Chutt> | debian |
| 03:05 | <chmod_700> | thats about the only one I've not used |
| 03:05 | <jhurliman> | hmm, appears zap2it is wrong on a couple channels here and there |
| 03:05 | <Chutt> | i haven't used anything but debian in about 7 years |
| 03:06 | <jhurliman> | chmod_700: i enjoy gentoo, debian is a good clean distro |
| 03:08 | <chmod_700> | i just never plunked down the cash for it, but a lot of people at the local LUG love it |
| 03:08 | <Timon> | why plunk down money? Just download it |
| 03:08 | <chmod_700> | I'm more of a BSD guy, until I started getting into multimedia stuff |
| 03:08 | <chmod_700> | I thouht debian was pay only? |
| 03:08 | <Timon> | chmod_700: Amen :-) |
| 03:09 | <jhurliman> | pay only? never heard of such a thing |
| 03:09 | <chmod_700> | maybe i heard wrong, its been a while since i looked for it |
| 03:09 | <Timon> | chmod_700: I downloaded a copy a few months ago. Wanted to install it but it didn't like my 160gb hd |
| 03:09 | <chmod_700> | hmm |
| 03:09 | <jhurliman> | i wonder what kind of legality issues are associated with selling xboxes running linux... |
| 03:09 | <jhurliman> | hmm well i'm off for tonight, g'day everyone |
| 03:09 | <chmod_700> | nite. |
| 03:09 | <jhurliman> | err night (see i need sleep) |
| 03:10 | <Timon> | jhurliman: I think your asking for a lawsuit from ms :-) |
| 03:10 | <jhurliman> | Timon: undoubtedly |
| 03:10 | <jhurliman> | and SCO at the same time, hehehe |
| 03:10 | <Timon> | hah |
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| 03:11 | <chmod_700> | well rebuilding the program table seems to have fixed most of the channel errors |
| 03:11 | <chmod_700> | thx for the tips |
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| 03:16 | <hadees> | jhurliman: the way to get around the legal issues is just sell the install cd, let the people get their own xboxs |
| 03:16 | <Timon> | hadees: hes already gone |
| 03:17 | <hadees> | doh |
| 03:17 | <hadees> | busy installing winex, mabey i will get this plugin working |
| 03:17 | <hadees> | who knows crazyer things have happend, the terminator is going to be the govener of CA |
| 03:18 | <chmod_700> | i wonder if someone could add a --quiet option to mythfilldatabase? |
| 03:18 | <hadees> | is it really a problem? |
| 03:18 | <chmod_700> | for running in cron |
| 03:19 | <hadees> | eh, just have the cron pipe the output to a file, that way you can have a log if things to arie |
| 03:19 | <Timon> | why not just pipe it to null? |
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| 03:20 | <hadees> | although i can see that being okay since i like making things a simple as possible |
| 03:20 | <hadees> | chmod_700: you should try to do it, can't be that hard |
| 03:20 | <chmod_700> | i wrote tetris in C++ a year ago, and that is about as much as I know |
| 03:20 | <chmod_700> | (with a book in my lap for most of it) |
| 03:21 | <chmod_700> | piping it somewhere is good and all, but it just seems like most programs have a quiet flag |
| 03:21 | <chmod_700> | its about #47634 on the todo list im sure |
| 03:22 | <Chutt> | it has a quiet option. |
| 03:23 | <chmod_700> | ahh its just not listed with --help |
| 03:24 | <chmod_700> | well, i'm off to bed, thanks for the help, and I hope I can return the favor some time |
| 03:24 | * chmod_700 | is away: sleep |
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| 03:41 | <Timon> | woot! I got the lcd button stuff posting events! I can now naviguess myth with my lcd! |
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| 03:45 | <Timon> | Though, I will change it to use Anduin's stuff if/when it gets committed. . . |
| 03:58 | <hadees> | Timon: add support for the powermate ;) |
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| 03:59 | <Timon> | Sure. . . For 1.5 mil :-) |
| 04:00 | <Timon> | what the heck is that gizmo again? |
| 04:03 | <Timon> | I'm happy now. Just got to do some code cleanup, add a few more features and the LCD stuff will get a massive update! |
| 04:06 | <hadees> | it looks like a volume knob |
| 04:06 | <hadees> | the led on it also dims |
| 04:07 | <Timon> | thats write, how does it interface? |
| 04:07 | <hadees> | i think it makes a htpc case look professional |
| 04:08 | <Timon> | how does it interface to the pc? |
| 04:13 | <hadees> | usb |
| 04:13 | <hadees> | there is a usb driver written for it |
| 04:13 | <hadees> | just needs to be linked into your event loop thing |
| 04:15 | <Timon> | Send me one and I'll be more then happy to try and make it work. If I can't make it work, I'll send it back to you. If I do get it to work, its mine :-) |
| 04:17 | <hadees> | hehe, i think i can get it to work on my own, just don't have it yet |
| 04:17 | <hadees> | i sent it to the atech guy |
| 04:17 | <hadees> | won't have my case for another month |
| 04:17 | <Timon> | To attach to your case? |
| 04:18 | <Timon> | lame |
| 04:18 | <Timon> | anyways, nite |
| 04:18 | * Timon | is away: sleep |
| 04:18 | <hadees> | not really, i can do that my self, i sent it to him to make it the same color as the case |
| 04:18 | <hadees> | http://www.atechfabrication.com/home_theater_computers.htm |
| 04:18 | <hadees> | i got a black one wanted it to match |
| 04:19 | <hadees> | case that is |
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| 10:49 | <mdz_> | why does gdb suck so much? |
| 10:49 | <mdz_> | I can't get useful information about any of the objects in this stack trace |
| 10:50 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 10:51 | <mdz_> | I have a couple of backend crashes |
| 10:51 | <mdz_> | easily reproducible |
| 10:51 | <mdz_> | and I can't figure out what's causing them |
| 10:51 | <Chutt> | ok? |
| 10:51 | <Chutt> | well, how to reproduce em |
| 10:51 | <mdz_> | #0 0x409d1171 in strncpy () from /lib/libc.so.6 |
| 10:51 | <mdz_> | #1 0x4074dc2e in QString::sprintf () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 |
| 10:51 | <mdz_> | #2 0x40733ad3 in QTime::toString () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 |
| 10:51 | <mdz_> | #3 0x40734294 in QDateTime::toString () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 |
| 10:51 | <mdz_> | #4 0x080c81e5 in ProgramInfo::ToStringList (this=0x85ab300, list=@0xbe9ff9a0) |
| 10:51 | <mdz_> | at programinfo.cpp:123 |
| 10:51 | <mdz_> | #5 0x0807a2ad in MainServer::HandleGetPendingRecordings (this=0x84be4c0, |
| 10:51 | <mdz_> | pbs=0x84e0e50) at mainserver.cpp:981 |
| 10:51 | <Chutt> | maybe i can get it going |
| 10:51 | <mdz_> | it blows up converting the endts to a string |
| 10:51 | <mdz_> | I want to find out what endts is and whether there is something bogus in it |
| 10:52 | <mdz_> | but gdb is completely confused |
| 10:52 | <mdz_> | #4 0x080c81e5 in ProgramInfo::ToStringList (this=0x85ab300, list=@0xbe9ff9a0) |
| 10:52 | <mdz_> | at programinfo.cpp:123 |
| 10:52 | <mdz_> | 123 programinfo.cpp: No such file or directory. |
| 10:52 | <mdz_> | in programinfo.cpp |
| 10:52 | <mdz_> | (gdb) print endts |
| 10:52 | <mdz_> | $19 = <incomplete type> |
| 10:52 | <mdz_> | (gdb) print this |
| 10:52 | <mdz_> | $20 = (QValueList<QString> *) 0xbe9ff9a0 |
| 10:52 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 10:52 | <Chutt> | well, maybe have it print out the startts |
| 10:52 | <Chutt> | and chanid |
| 10:52 | <mdz_> | I'm pretty sure 'this' is supposed to be a Programinfo |
| 10:52 | <mdz_> | on that particular line |
| 10:52 | <Chutt> | and look in the db to see what the endts is? |
| 10:53 | <mdz_> | 20030808230000 | 20030809000000 |
| 10:53 | <mdz_> | that is what startts and endts should be |
| 10:53 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 10:53 | <mdz_> | endts is midnight |
| 10:53 | <Chutt> | print it out bit by bit? |
| 10:53 | <Chutt> | make sure it's that in the code? |
| 10:54 | <mdz_> | I have a 6 minute window before the next recording starts |
| 10:55 | <mdz_> | it takes me longer than that to compile it :-/ |
| 10:55 | <mdz_> | I need to make a development system |
| 10:55 | <mdz_> | this one has become too....beloved |
| 10:55 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 10:55 | <mdz_> | I have to fight for a timeslot where I can do debugging ;-) |
| 10:56 | <mdz_> | weird, I thought it might have been confused because it didn't have the source |
| 10:57 | <mdz_> | but I gave it the source and it still thinks 'this' is a QValueList<QString>* |
| 10:57 | <mdz_> | I tried to get to the programinfo another way, but if I go up to the mainserver it's accessing it through an iterator |
| 10:57 | <mdz_> | which gdb also doesn't understand |
| 10:57 | <mdz_> | I can see all of the local variables in toStringList fine |
| 10:58 | <Chutt> | you're still running 3.0, right? |
| 10:58 | <mdz_> | yeah, I am getting fed up |
| 10:58 | <mdz_> | I think I am going tno have to upgrade this box to unstable |
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| 10:59 | <Chutt> | there's a lot of changes in qstring between 3.0 and 3.1 |
| 11:02 | <mdz_> | did they add the "don't suck" feature to it? |
| 11:03 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 11:03 | <mdz_> | I'm sure this must be a Qt 3.0 problem because you don't see it |
| 11:03 | <Chutt> | why do so many people mistake MJPEG for MPEG2? |
| 11:03 | <mdz_> | my backend blows up constantly with this kind of thing |
| 11:03 | <mdz_> | when doing programinfo stuff in the frontend |
| 11:04 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 11:04 | <Chutt> | yeah, upgrade |
| 11:05 | <Chutt> | so, i think i may look into adding support for the neuros to mythmusic |
| 11:05 | <mdz_> | I really like that unit |
| 11:05 | <mdz_> | I am planning to buy one once it supports vorbis |
| 11:05 | <Chutt> | my only real problem with it is that it looks/feels rather cheap |
| 11:05 | <Chutt> | work finally bought me one =) |
| 11:07 | <mdz_> | nice |
| 11:07 | <mdz_> | but you have to use mp3 or wma, no? |
| 11:07 | <mdz_> | ohh, they have a vorbis beta |
| 11:07 | <Chutt> | mp3 only for now |
| 11:07 | <Chutt> | but the beta firmware that i'm using has preliminary vorbis support |
| 11:08 | <Chutt> | but doesn't play back anything higher than -q4 |
| 11:08 | <Chutt> | without audio breakups |
| 11:08 | <mdz_> | yeah, looking at the page now |
| 11:08 | <Chutt> | and all my music's ripped at -q7 |
| 11:08 | <mdz_> | what kind of cpu does the thing have? |
| 11:08 | <mdz_> | yeah, I don't use below q6 |
| 11:08 | <Chutt> | general purpose dsp |
| 11:08 | <mdz_> | so it's using the tremor stuff? |
| 11:09 | <Chutt> | yeah, a variant of that |
| 11:09 | <mdz_> | is there source available for the firmware? |
| 11:09 | <Chutt> | i believe so |
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| 11:09 | <Chutt> | though, i believe you need some very expensive tools to roll your own firmware |
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| 11:10 | <mdz_> | I am thinking about getting one now that vorbis support is actually happening |
| 11:10 | <Chutt> | $400 |
| 11:10 | <mdz_> | but I wouldn't want to get stuck with it if the vorbis stuff got derailed |
| 11:10 | <mdz_> | they have a low-end unit for $199 it says |
| 11:10 | <Chutt> | 128MB, no radio tuner |
| 11:11 | <mdz_> | yeah, I'm not too thrilled about the radio tuner |
| 11:11 | <Chutt> | so you couldn't play with my stuff :p |
| 11:11 | <Chutt> | though, i guess it still has a mic |
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| 11:11 | <mdz_> | you can add the 20GB drive to the 128MB unit, right? |
| 11:11 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 11:12 | <Chutt> | that's what i have -- the normal 128MB unit with an extra 20GB drive |
| 11:12 | <Chutt> | $400 for the bundle |
| 11:12 | <Chutt> | well, $300 if you want to use the $100 rebate, but it's a rebate or a free usb-2 upgrade |
| 11:12 | <Chutt> | and i went with the upgrade for when that comes out |
| 11:14 | <mdz_> | is that a software upgrade or a hardware upgrade? |
| 11:14 | <Chutt> | hardware |
| 11:14 | <Chutt> | http://www.neurosaudio.com/community/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1249 |
| 11:15 | <Chutt> | that's unrelated |
| 11:15 | <Chutt> | the upgrade is a 'send in the 20GB backback, we'll upgrade it for you' type deal in october |
| 11:16 | <mdz_> | ah |
| 11:18 | <mdz_> | does the backpack feel OK? attach securely and all that? it looks a little flimsy from the photos |
| 11:18 | <Chutt> | it's very firmly attached |
| 11:18 | <Chutt> | i had problems swapping the 128MB and the 20GB ones, even |
| 11:18 | <Chutt> | very tight fit |
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| 11:20 | <Chutt> | it is rather big, though |
| 11:20 | <Chutt> | and i haven't used it at all under linux |
| 11:22 | <bline> | 'mornin |
| 11:23 | <Chutt> | hey |
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| 11:55 | <alkern> | morning, any gentoo users here? and/or anyone that has split backend from frontend? |
| 11:58 | <jkolb> | I am a gentoo user, but I run frontend and backend on the same machine. |
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| 12:03 | <alkern> | ok...I'm going to make another ebuild and get it into portage that is frontend-only |
| 12:05 | <alkern> | i just wanted to make sure i was removing enough/not too much stuff when installing |
| 12:06 | <Chutt> | mythfrontend binary, qt-mysql |
| 12:06 | <Chutt> | is all it should need |
| 12:07 | <jkolb> | libmyth and libmythtv too, right? |
| 12:07 | <Chutt> | libmyth |
| 12:07 | <Chutt> | and all the stuff that gets installed into prefix/share and prefix/lib |
| 12:07 | <Chutt> | libmythtv isn't a standalone library |
| 12:08 | <mdz_> | config files, themes, menus, fonts, mythfrontend*.qm, mythfrontend, mythtv, mythepg, mythprogfind |
| 12:08 | <mdz_> | and the filters |
| 12:08 | <jkolb> | But it's required to watch TV with the frontend, right? |
| 12:08 | <jkolb> | Wait, not standalone. |
| 12:08 | <jkolb> | Just ignore me. |
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| 12:12 | <alkern> | mdz_: perfect, thats what I got |
| 12:12 | <alkern> | i just blow away setup, transcode, backend, filldatabase, and commflag |
| 12:24 | <jhurliman> | hmm where is thor, i want to patch up his mythdvd |
| 12:24 | <Chutt> | he's way out of country |
| 12:24 | <jhurliman> | ahh |
| 12:25 | <jhurliman> | is anyone else running s/pdif output under linux? |
| 12:25 | <jkolb> | Does it count if I wish I were? |
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| 12:34 | <jhurliman> | jkolb: i was just wondering how other soundcards and other setups worked |
| 12:35 | <jhurliman> | i'm using a zoltrix nightingale, which has been great so far (except myth prints out "soundcard isnt returning correct free space" or something) |
| 12:36 | <jhurliman> | how it works, all sound is sent to the digital out, and i have a switch turned on in alsa to bridge that over to a DAC that outputs analog, so i have can do either or |
| 12:37 | <jhurliman> | the only issue is if i turn on raw output (for dolby digital, dts) and have the analog plugged in, not the digital i hear a binary stream turned in to "music" |
| 12:37 | <jkolb> | Heh |
| 12:37 | <jhurliman> | which really isn't an issue at all, but i need to add a switch to mythdvd for "Raw S/PDIF Output", so it knows whether or not to do ac3 passthrough |
| 12:37 | <jhurliman> | when launching xine or whatever |
| 12:38 | <jkolb> | Ah. |
| 12:42 | <jhurliman> | Chutt: when i woke up this morning mythfrontend was froze, no delaying to next trigger messages, about six rebuffering messages and one anomaly.. the "soundcard isn't returning correct free space, falling back to old method" or however that's worded |
| 12:43 | <Chutt> | how new is your cvs checkout again? |
| 12:44 | <jhurliman> | like a week or two old |
| 12:44 | <Chutt> | i really would just upgrade |
| 12:44 | <Chutt> | and see if you can reproduce with that |
| 12:44 | <jhurliman> | ok |
| 12:45 | <jhurliman> | i got it set up to run inside gdb too, so i can try and get a backtrace next time too |
| 12:47 | <jhurliman> | does cvs compile correctly now? i know there were some issues last night |
| 12:49 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 12:49 | <Chutt> | it was only for older X installs |
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| 13:19 | <robertj> | Chutt: are we pretty close to .11? |
| 13:21 | <Chutt> | eh, sure |
| 13:22 | <robertj> | "why not" |
| 13:32 | <jhurliman> | how about 1.0 ;) |
| 13:32 | <robertj> | is there a way I can tell what programs are using a given module? |
| 13:32 | <jhurliman> | "fuser libname.so" might do it |
| 13:33 | <jhurliman> | or did you mean kernel module? |
| 13:34 | <robertj> | kernel module |
| 13:40 | <Chutt> | mdz, i dunno, but i tried to fix that channel issue |
| 13:41 | <robertj> | mdz: can you tell me what are you planning on packaging for the next release so I can decide if I should stick with the debs, run cvs, or learn how to right a rules file |
| 13:41 | <Chutt> | he's probably planning on only packaging what he's currently packaging :p |
| 13:41 | <mdz_> | pretty much |
| 13:41 | <mdz_> | I'll probably do mythdvd as well |
| 13:42 | <robertj> | ok, I just wanted to check |
| 13:42 | <mdz_> | Chutt: mythweb2 is going to replace mythweb, right? not coexist with it |
| 13:42 | <robertj> | so that leaves mythweb2, mythgame, mythimages (which I could care less about), mythvideo |
| 13:42 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 13:42 | <mdz_> | I already do mythweb, so I will be moving to mythweb2 |
| 13:42 | <robertj> | is there anything that needs added to mythweb2 |
| 13:42 | <mdz_> | and if you mean mythgallery, I already do that as well |
| 13:42 | <Chutt> | mdz, apparently, VIDIOCGCHAN doesn't return the current input |
| 13:42 | <robertj> | oh, gallery, whatever |
| 13:42 | <mdz_> | Chutt: hmm, that would do it |
| 13:42 | <Chutt> | and apparently, there's absolutely no way to -get- the current input |
| 13:43 | <mdz_> | that explains why it was getting reset |
| 13:43 | * chmod_700 | is back (gone 10:18:21) |
| 13:43 | <Chutt> | so i'm guessing |
| 13:43 | <Chutt> | but i think what i checked in may fix it |
| 13:43 | <mdz_> | I'll take a look at it tonight |
| 13:43 | <Chutt> | i can't test it without putting something on the input there =) |
| 13:43 | <mdz_> | does it work right in v4l2? |
| 13:43 | <Chutt> | would need to go unplug the gamecube or ps2 or something |
| 13:44 | <Chutt> | well |
| 13:44 | <Chutt> | i think it's the code in NuppelVideoRecorder.cpp |
| 13:44 | <Chutt> | and that bit is v4l-1 only |
| 13:44 | <jhurliman> | should i not be using v4l2? or does v4l1-compat.o make everything ok |
| 13:45 | <Chutt> | i wouldn't trust the bttv 0.9 driver just yet |
| 13:45 | <jhurliman> | well there's a bttv7 that runs on v4l2 |
| 13:45 | <Chutt> | there is? |
| 13:45 | <Chutt> | well, there's a line in NVR.cpp that disables v4l2 mode for analog capture |
| 13:46 | <Chutt> | you could remove that and try using v4l2, but i don't think it matters with the compat module |
| 13:47 | <jhurliman> | besides i lose color/hue/contrast adjustments in myth with bttv9 |
| 13:47 | <jhurliman> | all say -1 |
| 13:47 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 13:48 | <bline> | why |
| 13:48 | <jhurliman> | i should just write my own version of v4l + bttv ;) |
| 13:52 | <jhurliman> | Chutt: how do you take screenshots of myth? |
| 13:52 | <Chutt> | magic |
| 13:52 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 13:52 | <Chutt> | ksnapshot |
| 13:52 | <mdz_> | Chutt: that "green/static screen w/current CVS" thread would seem to agree with your guess |
| 13:52 | <Chutt> | for the tv stuff, if you make it use the video blitter instead of the video overlay, you can get a shot of that |
| 13:53 | <Chutt> | with nvidia cards, at least |
| 13:53 | <mdz_> | since those guys were using S-video only, so they would have been switched to an input they weren't using |
| 13:53 | <jhurliman> | okie cool |
| 13:53 | <Chutt> | or you can use 'NO_XV=1 mythtv' |
| 13:53 | <Chutt> | to use the XShm fallback, but that's really slow |
| 13:53 | <Chutt> | mdz, yeah |
| 13:53 | <Chutt> | that email's what made me think 'bout it more |
| 13:53 | <mdz_> | Chutt: any particular reason it doesn't set the input and channel when starting live tv? |
| 13:54 | <Chutt> | it just keeps it to what it was on before |
| 13:54 | <Chutt> | i guess it could set it |
| 13:54 | <mdz_> | in fact, it assumes it is what it was before |
| 13:54 | <Chutt> | but that wouldn't have fixed this particular problem |
| 13:54 | <mdz_> | right |
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| 14:10 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 14:10 | <Chutt> | hey |
| 14:10 | <vektor> | hi |
| 14:10 | <Chutt> | i had a v4l question, but i figured it out |
| 14:10 | <vektor> | oh |
| 14:11 | <vektor> | darn |
| 14:14 | <jhurliman> | Chutt: i'm browsing through NuppelVideoPlayer right now, if i still have problems should I try turning on experimental A/V sync? it looks like it could fix things or make them worse |
| 14:15 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 14:15 | <jhurliman> | it should be able to use nVidia polling since this board has an integrated geforce2 |
| 14:15 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 14:17 | <Chutt> | vektor, basically, i was trying to figure out why it was resetting my inputs on me, but then i realized that VIDIOCGCHAN doesn't return the current input |
| 14:18 | <mikegrb> | VIDIOCSYNC0: Invalid argument |
| 14:18 | <mikegrb> | VIDIOCSYNC1: Invalid argument |
| 14:18 | <mikegrb> | Changing from None to RecordingOnly |
| 14:18 | <mikegrb> | 2003-08-07 14:00:00 backend still changing state, waiting.. |
| 14:18 | <mikegrb> | Changing from RecordingOnly to None |
| 14:19 | <Chutt> | so it works? |
| 14:19 | <mikegrb> | Chutt looks like it worked but it didn't print the error message... oh that was my code though not yours, yours should be better |
| 14:19 | <mikegrb> | well sort of |
| 14:20 | <Chutt> | they don't go to the log |
| 14:20 | <Chutt> | well, i dunno |
| 14:20 | <Chutt> | they get printed out to stderr |
| 14:20 | <mikegrb> | the program it was supposed to be recording was on from 1-2 this happened right at 1 and it doesn't do the Chaning from RecordingOnly to None until 2 when its time for the next |
| 14:20 | <mikegrb> | let me check something real quick though |
| 14:21 | <mikegrb> | ah, std err |
| 14:21 | <mikegrb> | would it be possible to make std err get redirected to the log, I thought it already did |
| 14:23 | <mikegrb> | my hr long recording that it messed up on is 11.2 mb so it aborted, and didn't fill the longs and what not... wish I had cought it sooner so I could check cpu usage |
| 14:23 | <mikegrb> | II guess next step for me is to understand how the recording works and try to make it give it another go, the next recording is doing just fine |
| 14:23 | <mikegrb> | s/long/log |
| 14:24 | <mikegrb> | anyway got to go find a record in the archives |
| 14:25 | <mdz_> | vektor: where are my debs? |
| 14:25 | <vektor> | mdz: I think coleSLAW is done exams this week. |
| 14:26 | <vektor> | Look, honestly I don't know what to do about it. |
| 14:26 | <vektor> | Please ask him. |
| 14:26 | <vektor> | I want my debs too. |
| 14:26 | <mdz_> | I and at least one other person practically fell over ourselves offering to help him and he turned us aside |
| 14:26 | <mdz_> | you read the wnpp bug |
| 14:26 | <vektor> | Yeah. |
| 14:27 | <vektor> | Well, I don't know what to do. |
| 14:27 | <vektor> | He's a friend of mine. |
| 14:27 | <Chutt> | mdz, steal the package |
| 14:27 | <mdz_> | Chutt: I don't see how I can steal it if it doesn't exist yet |
| 14:27 | <Chutt> | you don't want to do the packaging? |
| 14:28 | <mdz_> | not particularly, but I want to see it in Debian enough that I would do it |
| 14:28 | <Chutt> | vektor, why would i get audio from the tuner input when it's on the s-video in |
| 14:28 | <Chutt> | any ideas? =) |
| 14:28 | <vektor> | Chutt: Yeah, fucking bttv. |
| 14:28 | <vektor> | There seems to be some bugs where this can happen sometimes. |
| 14:28 | <vektor> | Like, it's supposed to mute it when you switch inputs. |
| 14:28 | <vektor> | Sometimes it can break. |
| 14:29 | <mdz_> | I think it should set everything from scratch every time: input, frequency, audio, etc |
| 14:29 | * vektor | back later, off to the airport. |
| 14:29 | <Chutt> | mdz, there's nothing to set the audio |
| 14:29 | <mdz_> | there's mute and level at least |
| 14:29 | <vektor> | Setting input implicitly sets audio, that's why it's a bttv bug. |
| 14:29 | <mdz_> | maybe just kick it hard enough |
| 14:29 | <vektor> | mdz: It doesn't help. |
| 14:29 | <mdz_> | VIDIOCKICK |
| 14:30 | <vektor> | That's why I say it's a bug. |
| 14:30 | <mdz_> | vektor: I agree |
| 14:30 | <mdz_> | but it's a bug that seems to have been around forever9 |
| 14:30 | <mdz_> | and I looked at the bttv changelog and there is no hint that it has been fixed at all |
| 14:31 | <vektor> | Well it doesn't happen here. |
| 14:31 | <vektor> | I can't reproduce it at all. |
| 14:31 | <vektor> | But ther'es an open bug report from a tvtime user about it. |
| 14:31 | <mdz_> | vektor: do you have a mythtv setup? |
| 14:31 | <vektor> | They see it all the time. |
| 14:31 | <vektor> | So, ... |
| 14:31 | <vektor> | Not now. |
| 14:31 | <mdz_> | I can reproduce it 100% |
| 14:31 | <mdz_> | with mythtv |
| 14:31 | * vektor | gone back in 2 hrs. |
| 14:32 | <jhurliman> | what about using VIDIOC_G_INPUT and VIDIOC_ENUMINPUT to debug what device you are on, and input.audioset to see if bttv is mapping the tuner audio input to composite/s-video as well as line in? |
| 14:32 | <Chutt> | jhurliman, that's v4l2 |
| 14:32 | <jhurliman> | damn |
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| 14:41 | <jhurliman> | Note: for the latest driver snapshots you need cutting edge 2.4.22-pre / 2.6.0-testx kernel patches. |
| 14:41 | <jhurliman> | oops :) |
| 14:43 | <jhurliman> | oh, n/m thats only for yesterday's bttv snapshot |
| 14:44 | <robertj> | sending stuff to adsp is slightly humerous |
| 14:45 | <robertj> | sounds like two drunk rednecks |
| 14:48 | <jhurliman> | what soundcard? |
| 14:49 | <robertj> | via82xx |
| 14:49 | <robertj> | its b0rk under oss emulation as well |
| 14:50 | <robertj> | right now, it gets real slow, and then rushes through all the dropped frames |
| 14:53 | <jhurliman> | hehe |
| 14:57 | <robertj> | oh good greif, the video is good but this chick sounds like a transvestite |
| 15:01 | <robertj> | What could cause that. Video seems at a normal speed but audio is lagging |
| 15:01 | <robertj> | its a consistant lag though |
| 15:04 | <robertj> | what is the native res of the video out from these cards? |
| 15:05 | <robertj> | and now everything is slow but the audio is sinked |
| 15:06 | <jhurliman> | rejoice!!! laptop just showed up |
| 15:07 | <jhurliman> | robertj: 640x480 i think? that's from product descriptions though, i havent done any v4l programming |
| 15:15 | <robertj> | this is bizarre, now its working perfectly except for the low tone |
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| 15:34 | <mikegrb> | "I've always thought that what e-mail and Usenet really need is a new content type: multipart/bitchslap" |
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| 15:36 | <thor_> | Chutt, you around? |
| 15:36 | <thor_> | have cvs commits for working transcoding in mythdvd ... assuming we are not precisely in the middle of a release ... |
| 15:37 | <mdz_> | thor_: nope |
| 15:37 | <jhurliman> | hey thor_, i was talking about mythdvd earlier this morning |
| 15:37 | <jhurliman> | i want to add a patch to the settings for "Raw S/PDIF Output", which basically just changes the flags that are sent to xine or whatever you are using |
| 15:38 | <thor_> | mdz_, good |
| 15:38 | <thor_> | jhurliman, change your player command? |
| 15:38 | <jhurliman> | so maybe two entries for commands to run, one might be "mplayer %s" and the other "mplayer -ac hwac3 %s" |
| 15:38 | <mdz_> | robertj: just buy a real sound card |
| 15:39 | <mdz_> | you'll be much happier |
| 15:39 | <jhurliman> | thor_: it might not be general purpose enough for everyone, but my product requires it. just thought i'd mention and see if it was something you wanted to add, or if i should do it |
| 15:39 | <thor_> | jhurliman, if you have SPDIF capable, why would you want to play without it (?) |
| 15:40 | <jhurliman> | thor_: not all home theater setups have s/pdif input, so sometimes analog would be used |
| 15:40 | <thor_> | jhurliman, I'm not following you ... you want 2 player commands (?) how does myth decide which one to use ? |
| 15:41 | <jhurliman> | based on a checkbox that says "Raw S/PDIF Output" |
| 15:41 | <thor_> | so .... change your player command ? |
| 15:41 | <thor_> | =) |
| 15:41 | <jhurliman> | like i said it might not be general purpose enough for the main mythdvd branch, since users can change their player command themselves |
| 15:41 | <jhurliman> | but i still have to add it to the product, so i was just checking before i did it myself |
| 15:42 | <Chutt> | thor, commit away =) |
| 15:42 | <thor_> | sorry .. which product (I'm overseas, and am a little out of the loop) |
| 15:42 | <thor_> | and 28.8 dialup sucks |
| 15:42 | <thor_> | Chutt, just updating cvs to make sure there are no hiccups |
| 15:42 | <jhurliman> | thor_: no prob, i haven't made any mention on the mailing lists so its been rather word of mouth. http://www.focustheater.com/ |
| 15:43 | <jhurliman> | this laptop didnt come with any sort of manual... am i supposed to let the battery fully charge first or how does that work? |
| 15:47 | <Chutt> | thor, cool =) |
| 15:48 | <Chutt> | mdz, i made a couple other changes (hooked up the gamecube to the svideo-in), seems to work ok now |
| 15:49 | <Chutt> | i had it not changing audio to the proper channel when it started up, but that seems to be ok with my most recent commit |
| 15:50 | <mdz_> | Chutt: could you ever reproduce the audio problem using multiple inputs? |
| 15:50 | <Chutt> | well, that was all i could get it to do incorrectly |
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| 15:51 | <mikegrb> | jhurliman: yes, generally first time you want to charge it fully |
| 15:54 | <mikegrb> | jhurliman: as for your patch I think I understand both of you, as thor_ is saying for a general user, they are either use it or not all of the time so they can just change the player command, for your product the hardware supports it but the users home theater equip will either support it or not and you don't want them having to (or being able to) change the player command |
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| 16:06 | <thor_> | jhurliman, I got you ... you know the box, the soundcard, and the player software in advance ... so yeah ... toggle button makes perfect sense. But it shouldn't be a mythDVD toggle, it should be a myth-wide toggle, no? |
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| 16:10 | <jhurliman> | thor_: yes, i'm going to put it into my own setup module i think |
| 16:11 | <jhurliman> | at the moment, it doesnt have any effect except on DVDs since that's the only place you could get an ac3 stream, but if mythmusic added support for .ac3 at some point, this would come up |
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| 16:12 | <thor_> | well, mythvideo can play back content with AC3, which could well be 5.1 |
| 16:17 | <thor_> | Chutt, why does globalsettings take so damn long to build :-( |
| 16:18 | <jkolb> | Use ccache |
| 16:18 | <Chutt> | because g++ sucks |
| 16:18 | <thor_> | ah ... that and a Crusoe |
| 16:19 | <Chutt> | you're probably even swapping |
| 16:19 | <thor_> | nope |
| 16:19 | <thor_> | just ...slow.... |
| 16:20 | <mdz_> | it uses a ridiculous amount of memory |
| 16:20 | <mdz_> | I wonder what we can do to alleviate that |
| 16:21 | <Chutt> | not put all those classes and inheritance in the same file |
| 16:21 | <thor_> | ah ... all done ... one quick build check and then I'll commit |
| 16:22 | <Chutt> | cool. |
| 16:23 | <thor_> | Chutt, where are we at on 0.11 ... I'd like to change the title ripping interface (it sucks, and is unusable if you have lots of titles on a disc), but not sure I'll have time? |
| 16:28 | <thor_> | yeah .. commited |
| 16:28 | <thor_> | er,, yah! |
| 16:28 | <Chutt> | you've got as much time as you want |
| 16:28 | <thor_> | k |
| 16:28 | <thor_> | =) |
| 16:28 | <thor_> | I can fiddle with libmyth uitypes ... |
| 16:28 | <mdz_> | Chutt: yeah, it would take less memory if it were split up, but I don't think it would be any faster |
| 16:31 | <thor_> | Got to sign off (phone calls are expensive here), but I'll probably check back in a couple of hours ... |
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| 16:50 | <mikegrb> | Chutt: looking at the diff for the latest commit for NuppleVideoRecorder it looks like there is a typo |
| 16:51 | <mikegrb> | looking at http://cvs.mythtv.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/mythtv/libs/libmythtv/NuppelVideoRecorder.cpp?r1=1.134&r2=1.135 |
| 16:51 | <mikegrb> | if (syncerrors > 10) |
| 16:51 | <mikegrb> | cerr << "Multiple bttv errors, further messages supressed\n" |
| 16:51 | <mikegrb> | else if (syncerrors == 10) |
| 16:51 | <mikegrb> | perror("VIDIOCSYNC"); |
| 16:52 | <mikegrb> | looks like it will print the "Multiple bttv errors.." message will be repeated every time there is an error after 10 |
| 16:53 | <mikegrb> | stuff that coresponded to VIDIOSYNC1 looks right though |
| 16:53 | <Chutt> | fixed in cvs |
| 16:54 | <mikegrb> | :-) |
| 16:54 | <mikegrb> | time to check everything out again... and the new mythdvd :)))) |
| 16:54 | <Chutt> | it should recover from the error, now |
| 16:54 | <mikegrb> | :-) |
| 16:55 | <mikegrb> | that would be awesome was just going to ask about the missing encoding = false, saw all the other changes and thought maybe that was where it was going since nothing else was mentioned in the log |
| 16:57 | <mikegrb> | hopefully it will happen again tommorow since it has happened every day since tuesday |
| 17:01 | <Captain_Murdoch_> | jhurliman: you around? |
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| 17:10 | <jhurliman> | Captain_Murdoch: yessir, for a moment |
| 17:10 | <jhurliman> | i'm trying to deal with this windows refund crap |
| 17:10 | <jhurliman> | whats up? |
| 17:11 | <merf> | does myth need v4l to compile? |
| 17:12 | <merf> | i was thinking of compiling cvs on this box, but it doesn't have a tuner |
| 17:12 | <Captain_Murdoch_> | I was getting ready to commit a slightly modified version of your patch and was wondering if you could test on your end. seems to work correctly here once I made a small mod to it would support multiple backends. |
| 17:12 | <Chutt> | captain_murdoch, that the exectv stuff? |
| 17:12 | <Captain_Murdoch_> | merf, don't need a tuner except to record but do need v4l headers to compile the package. |
| 17:12 | <Captain_Murdoch_> | Chutt: yeah. |
| 17:12 | <Chutt> | the v4l headers are included. |
| 17:12 | <jhurliman> | Captain_Murdoch_: i can, but not until about 4:30 since im not at home |
| 17:13 | <Captain_Murdoch_> | 4:30 PST/PDT? |
| 17:13 | <jhurliman> | true |
| 17:13 | <jhurliman> | 2 hours from now |
| 17:13 | <Captain_Murdoch_> | ok. I might wait to commit until I get home myself then. |
| 17:13 | <jhurliman> | ok, well i'll give it a go too so we can make sure it's working for different setups |
| 17:14 | <Captain_Murdoch_> | Chutt, did you want to see the diff before I commit? |
| 17:15 | <Chutt> | naw, go ahead |
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| 17:19 | <jhurliman> | ok im out |
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| 17:28 | <Captain_Murdoch_> | slightly modified EXECTV patch committed. |
| 17:28 | <Chutt> | cool. |
| 17:29 | <Captain_Murdoch_> | instructions in commit message directing people to the tvmenu.xml file for a commented-out sample button. |
| 17:31 | <Captain_Murdoch_> | the people who need to "download" tv listings using a tuner card can now write a simple wrapper that connects to the backend, locks a local tuner, spawns proram to downloads data, unlocks tuner. |
| 17:32 | <Captain_Murdoch_> | I shouldn't cursor back and edit something in the middle of a message before I send it, I miss letters sometimes. :) |
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| 18:38 | <mikegrb> | Bah! |
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| 19:05 | <mdz> | Chutt: did the unstable upgrade just now |
| 19:05 | <mdz> | Chutt: can't reproduce any of those qt-looking bugs anymore |
| 19:06 | <mdz> | so apparently 3.0 just sucks |
| 19:14 | <mdz> | Chutt: with current CVS, I'm back to the original behaviour with regard to multiple inputs |
| 19:14 | <mdz> | the mismatched audio problem |
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| 19:51 | <SuperMoco> | hi, i'm looking for the ppv.pl file.. to get the directv guid on my systems.. but the link on the docs doesn't seem to work.. anyone have it? |
| 19:54 | <robertj> | Chutt: I'm having better luck with the alsa drivers but things still aren't right. Audio is synced but it is much to low in frequency |
| 19:54 | <robertj> | or pitch I guess |
| 19:55 | <Captain_Murdoch> | SuperMoco: http://www.google.com/search?q=mythtv+ppv.pl&btnG=Search&meta=site%3Dsearch |
| 19:56 | <SuperMoco> | Captain_Murdoch: thank's..but i alredy tried that.. and google just find the original place.. and that server seems to be down.. |
| 19:56 | <SuperMoco> | any one have it?? i'll trade it for bber :) |
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| 20:00 | <Viddy> | use the cache, luke |
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| 20:00 | <Viddy> | err, robert |
| 20:01 | <robertj> | Viddy: ? |
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| 20:03 | <Captain_Murdoch> | not in the cache it looks like. ask on the -users list, someone is probably using and can email it to you. |
| 20:04 | <SuperMoco> | Captain_Murdoch: thank's |
| 20:08 | <robertj> | Captain_Murdoch: I think this may be a particular case |
| 20:08 | <robertj> | via82xx is not all that common and pretty messed up it seems |
| 20:09 | <robertj> | of course, I suppose it is possible that all the females on television were replaced overnight with transexuals, that could also explain the change |
| 20:11 | <SuperMoco> | robertj: what's your problem?? |
| 20:11 | <SuperMoco> | besides being homofobic :P |
| 20:12 | <robertj> | I'm not homophobic, and even if I was, I'm sure transexuals have their own phobia! |
| 20:12 | <SuperMoco> | hehe.. yea.. maybe you're rigth :D |
| 20:13 | <SuperMoco> | but you say that the voices sound like wiht pitch? |
| 20:14 | <robertj> | SuperMoco: they are all a good bit loewr |
| 20:14 | <robertj> | but they seem synced up |
| 20:15 | <SuperMoco> | mm that looks like a sample problem.. like if your card has 48 khz and you where triing to use it at 44 khz |
| 20:16 | <robertj> | SuperMoco: if I put the sample speed up performance dies |
| 20:16 | <robertj> | not sure why |
| 20:16 | <robertj> | i'v got plenty of oomph under the hood |
| 20:16 | <SuperMoco> | where do you put it?? |
| 20:17 | <robertj> | 32000 |
| 20:18 | <SuperMoco> | i mean, where do you put the number.. in the mythtv settings?? |
| 20:18 | <SuperMoco> | have you tried in the insmod?? |
| 20:18 | <robertj> | nope |
| 20:18 | <SuperMoco> | which soubnd module do you use |
| 20:19 | <robertj> | via_82xx and the associated audio |
| 20:19 | <SuperMoco> | you got the audio via "line in"..?? |
| 20:20 | <robertj> | yeah |
| 20:20 | <SuperMoco> | parm: ac97_clock long array (min = 1, max = 8), description "AC'97 codec clock (default 48000Hz). |
| 20:21 | <SuperMoco> | snd-via82xx is this the module? |
| 20:21 | <SuperMoco> | there's seem to be an option to adjust the sample rate |
| 20:21 | <robertj> | yeah thats the module |
| 20:22 | <SuperMoco> | and it looks like the default is 48 khz |
| 20:22 | <robertj> | btw, putting audio to uncompress also slows it way dooown |
| 20:24 | <SuperMoco> | that's weird.. |
| 20:25 | <SuperMoco> | try with the kernel option.. that has to be the fastest aproach. |
| 20:26 | <robertj> | will do in one second |
| 20:28 | <robertj> | Why would setting my sample rate to 48 make it soo slow though |
| 20:28 | <robertj> | its an AMD 2 gig (2400+) |
| 20:29 | <robertj> | what # is for 32000 btw? |
| 20:31 | <robertj> | apparently you can specify the actual value as well as 1-8 |
| 20:33 | <SuperMoco> | the sample rate is for the audio.. it has nothing to do with your cpu |
| 20:34 | <robertj> | but why would increasing the sample rate just make everything stutter |
| 20:34 | <SuperMoco> | if you look around.. the cd's has one sample rate.. the mp3 usually has another.. |
| 20:34 | <SuperMoco> | the thing is no to increase or decrease.. the idea is that you have to got the same audio sample rate in the sound card and in the app that is accessing the sound card |
| 20:37 | <robertj> | adding ac97_clock=32000 didn't seem to help |
| 20:37 | <SuperMoco> | it has to be the same number that you have in mythtv |
| 20:39 | <robertj> | it is |
| 20:39 | <SuperMoco> | :( |
| 20:39 | <SuperMoco> | have you tryed with xawtv?? |
| 20:39 | <robertj> | putting mp3 quality to worse seems to make it slightly better but I can't really tell |
| 20:40 | <robertj> | nahh, but i bet its fine |
| 20:42 | <robertj> | bizzaro, nada |
| 20:42 | <robertj> | I just assumed it was because my mixer values were down |
| 20:45 | <SuperMoco> | if the problem is with the "pitch".. it has to be the sample rate.. |
| 20:45 | <SuperMoco> | but i don't know how to fix it in your card.. you have to llok in google for similar configurations.. |
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| 20:54 | <robertj> | other programs are saying /dev/dsp does not exist... |
| 20:54 | <robertj> | but xmame has no problem with it, nor oggle |
| 20:59 | <Chutt> | mdz, glad that the qt3.1 stuff fixed it |
| 20:59 | <Chutt> | i really want to just require it, but some people still want that old crap |
| 21:05 | <robertj> | wooh, changed my ac97_clock again and this time it did change...and its reallllllllllllly slow |
| 21:05 | <robertj> | the kde start sound reminds me of being in the womb now |
| 21:06 | <robertj> | only read 0 from 4096 bytes from '/dev/dsp' read audio: Success |
| 21:08 | <robertj> | some success |
| 21:13 | <mikegrb> | Chutt: getting segfaults on mythfrontend startup |
| 21:13 | <mikegrb> | Chutt: cvs of this afternoon... starting up in gdb |
| 21:19 | <mikegrb> | Bah! |
| 21:19 | <mikegrb> | of course it worked in gdb |
| 21:19 | <tdb30_> | could it be a race type condition? |
| 21:20 | <Chutt> | it's more likely a bad dependency |
| 21:20 | <Chutt> | and the make clean to get it into debug mode fixed it. |
| 21:21 | <mikegrb> | Chutt: it was already compiled for debug <g> |
| 21:21 | <Chutt> | eh, whatever |
| 21:22 | <mikegrb> | it didn't start up the first time, had my wife run it in an xterm, ran there, edited .twmrc so it would log all output, logged back in and restarted it ran fine till it went away during playback |
| 21:23 | <mikegrb> | started it up severl times in a row with no success, tried it in xterm... said segfault :/ |
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| 21:23 | <mikegrb> | I did a make clean distclean after check out from cvs, seeing as how 80% of the files changed |
| 21:23 | <jhurliman> | Captain_Murdoch: running late here, won't be home til 7:30pst |
| 21:24 | <jhurliman> | did you already commit? |
| 21:24 | <mikegrb> | jhurliman: yes I believe he did |
| 21:24 | <jhurliman> | ok, well i'll just cvs update then at test with that thanks, bye |
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| 21:24 | <mikegrb> | np |
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| 21:37 | <danc`> | hi. is anyone else using native lirc support? |
| 21:37 | <robertj> | native to what? |
| 21:38 | <danc`> | native to myth |
| 21:38 | <robertj> | ohh, I didn't know it supported lirc specifically |
| 21:38 | <danc`> | in cvs, just over the past couple days |
| 21:38 | <robertj> | I thought you were just kinda on your own to whip up something with irxevent |
| 21:38 | <robertj> | ohhh |
| 21:38 | <robertj> | what does it do exactly? |
| 21:39 | <danc`> | err, instead of requiring irxevent, it ties into lircd directly |
| 21:39 | <danc`> | then tries to send the keystrokes to the right place. i think |
| 21:39 | <robertj> | does it have a gui for setting up the remote and stuff? |
| 21:39 | <danc`> | yeah, it's all 3d animated too |
| 21:40 | <mikegrb> | hwh |
| 21:40 | <mikegrb> | heh |
| 21:40 | <mikegrb> | I think that is going to be .12 |
| 21:40 | <danc`> | ;) |
| 21:41 | <danc`> | it seems to drop a lot of keystrokes for me |
| 21:41 | <danc`> | and when it actually processes them, it's massively slow :/ |
| 21:42 | <mikegrb> | I'm planning going to it as my current solution has a 1 sec delay between keypresses |
| 21:42 | <robertj> | im confused...I set the value for my card, and it didn't take effect...then I rebooted and it did |
| 21:42 | <robertj> | after I had already taken it out of modules.conf |
| 21:43 | <mikegrb> | though the one sec is bearable since it is RF, and we have the mythtv output going through an RF modulator and down the cable line so we can watch mythtv in any room |
| 21:44 | <robertj> | we? |
| 21:44 | <robertj> | Tell the truth now... |
| 21:45 | <robertj> | Or is it like at my house when "we" do things together ;) |
| 21:45 | <mikegrb> | no, mythtv is one of the few projects my wife likes |
| 21:46 | <robertj> | Roaming user profiles was the big winner here |
| 21:47 | <mikegrb> | I messed with it but couldn't get it to function with 3 computers running xp professional but no domain controller |
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| 21:47 | <robertj> | mikegrb: I put up a PDC using samba 3 |
| 21:47 | <mikegrb> | we now only have one win pc anyway, for my wife to play the sims |
| 21:47 | <robertj> | which is ironically a game that plays fine under wine |
| 21:48 | <Timon> | robertj: samba 3 is out? |
| 21:49 | <mikegrb> | I even have winex, had problems getting it to install under winex due to multiple cd's ... mount the first one, run setup in wine, it prompts for 2nd cd, can't unmount to change :< |
| 21:49 | <robertj> | well 2.9pre43243 |
| 21:49 | <robertj> | or whatever |
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| 21:50 | <Timon> | Hmm, I may have to update again. I never could get my samba box to be the pdc for my xp box. My w2k box it worked fine for. Did all the hacks that were needed to make it work for xp. . . |
| 21:52 | <robertj> | eventually they worked |
| 21:52 | <robertj> | I cheated though, I backported the debs from sid to woody |
| 21:53 | <Timon> | <- freebsd |
| 21:56 | <mikegrb> | so if something is running in gdb and it freezes and you can't alt+tab to get to gdb b/c of a stupid window manager can you kill it and still get a back-trace? |
| 21:56 | <Chutt> | nope |
| 21:56 | <Chutt> | run gdb on an actual console |
| 21:57 | <mikegrb> | okay |
| 21:57 | <mikegrb> | gotcha |
| 21:57 | <mikegrb> | makes sense <g> should have thought of that, so used to this just being a mythtv only box |
| 22:00 | <mdz> | Chutt: myth builds on ia64 now =) |
| 22:08 | <Snow-Man> | haha |
| 22:12 | <mikegrb> | Chutt: sorry for my extreme stupidity, I'm not certain but I may have forgotten to run ./configure... would it even compile w/o configure running? |
| 22:15 | <Chutt> | mdz, debian box? |
| 22:15 | <mdz> | Chutt: it runs debian, yes |
| 22:16 | <Chutt> | i'd be more surprised if it ran |
| 22:16 | <Chutt> | i'm sure there's lots of crap in there that isn't 64-bit clean |
| 22:16 | <mdz> | I'm going to try it tomorrow when I'm in front of it |
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| 22:18 | <Chutt> | heh |
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| 22:39 | * robertj | gives up hope of swapping out sound cards without taking his whole myth box apart :( |
| 22:39 | <PktLoss> | What does Session management error: authentication rejected, reason: none of the authentication protocolss specified are support..... Mean/how can i fix it? |
| 22:40 | <robertj> | PktLoss: what user is kdm/gdm/whatever running as? |
| 22:41 | <PktLoss> | robertj how can i check that/ |
| 22:41 | <robertj> | start up an xterm and type whoami |
| 22:42 | <PktLoss> | how do i start an xterm vs a terminal (i am running gnome) |
| 22:42 | <robertj> | gnome-terminal then, whatever |
| 22:42 | <PktLoss> | it just gives my my username back |
| 22:42 | <robertj> | well, what's your username |
| 22:42 | <PktLoss> | paul |
| 22:43 | <robertj> | are you trying to run an x program from a user other than paul? |
| 22:43 | <robertj> | because it's not going to allow that |
| 22:43 | <PktLoss> | i started the backend as paul |
| 22:43 | <robertj> | and it gave you that message? |
| 22:43 | <PktLoss> | i havent started the front end yet |
| 22:43 | <PktLoss> | correct |
| 22:44 | <PktLoss> | i beleive i compiled it as root however |
| 22:44 | <PktLoss> | no wait |
| 22:44 | <PktLoss> | my bad |
| 22:44 | <PktLoss> | i started it as root |
| 22:45 | <robertj> | shouldn't matter should it? |
| 22:45 | <robertj> | i mean you want to make sure to run it as a user that belongs to myth's group |
| 22:45 | <robertj> | but root is in ever group so... |
| 22:46 | <PktLoss> | okay |
| 22:46 | <PktLoss> | i cahnged the /var/lib/mthtv dir to 777 and the lock file to 777 as well, and i started with no error |
| 22:46 | <PktLoss> | (as paul) |
| 22:47 | <PktLoss> | However, running the front end, i try to watch tv. And i just get a black screen. |
| 22:48 | <PktLoss> | Which was my original problem |
| 22:48 | <PktLoss> | xawtv works, so i dont think its the card. Though my setup may be faulty |
| 22:49 | <mikegrb> | is your sound setup? |
| 22:49 | <PktLoss> | i hear nothing. |
| 22:49 | <PktLoss> | But i can watch TV in xawtv, or watch DVDs fine with full sound |
| 22:50 | <vektor> | xawtv is such a bad comparison. |
| 22:50 | <vektor> | Use tvtime. ;) |
| 22:50 | <mikegrb> | are you using oss or alsa? |
| 22:50 | <PktLoss> | it uses the same input, and gives the desired output. and ive used it. |
| 22:50 | <PktLoss> | mikegrb i dont know what either of those are. |
| 22:50 | <vektor> | PktLoss: You've used tvtime? |
| 22:51 | <mikegrb> | PktLoss: for your sound card |
| 22:51 | <PktLoss> | vektor no just xawtv |
| 22:51 | <vektor> | PktLoss: Oh. |
| 22:51 | <PktLoss> | mikegrb How can i check, I am using whatever the RH 9 install gave me |
| 22:51 | <mikegrb> | look in /etc/modules.conf |
| 22:52 | <PktLoss> | alias sound-slot-0 em10k1, post install sound-slot0 /bin/aumix/minimal - f... |
| 22:52 | <PktLoss> | What should i be looking for |
| 22:53 | <mikegrb> | that looks like oss to me, one sec |
| 22:55 | <PktLoss> | sure |
| 22:55 | <mikegrb> | what sound card do you have? |
| 22:56 | <PktLoss> | hmm, sound blaster live value IIRC |
| 22:56 | <mikegrb> | you might want to read through this thread: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/perl/mailarc/gforum.cgi?post=71482;search_string=em10k1;guest=969876&t=search_engine#71482 |
| 22:56 | <mikegrb> | scroll up to the top and start there |
| 22:56 | <vektor> | And you should ditch xawtv for tvtime. |
| 22:56 | <bigguy> | true dat |
| 22:57 | <mikegrb> | it is someone who is using rh9 with a sound blaster live, a large contributing factor to his problems was using xawtv instead of tvtime |
| 22:57 | <Chutt> | pktloss, look for errors on the console you ran mythfrontend and mythbackend from. |
| 22:57 | <PktLoss> | OHH umm, when i start to try to watch TV the backend crashes with the error ERROR opening file 'var/cache/mythtv//ringbug1.nuv' in threadFileWriter |
| 22:57 | <mikegrb> | strike that last bit about tvtime ;) though it is nice |
| 22:57 | <Chutt> | it doesn't crash. |
| 22:57 | <Chutt> | it exits. |
| 22:58 | <mikegrb> | heh |
| 22:58 | <PktLoss> | vektor why are you in this channel if you keep pushing other software? |
| 22:58 | <mikegrb> | tvtime and myth don't do the same thing |
| 22:59 | <PktLoss> | Chutt okay, it exits with that error, and leaves the front end frozen |
| 22:59 | <mdz> | PktLoss: you didn't read the README.Debian |
| 22:59 | <Chutt> | so, fix the problem |
| 22:59 | <Chutt> | and then try again. |
| 22:59 | <PktLoss> | Why would i have read the readme.debian? Wouldnt it make more sense to read the readme.redhat? |
| 22:59 | <Chutt> | why do people always ignore the error messages i make it print out? |
| 23:00 | <PktLoss> | Chutt I was distracted by the large black screen that wouldnt go away? |
| 23:00 | <Chutt> | seems really silly for me to even bother if people don't even look at them. |
| 23:00 | <PktLoss> | is the double slash the error? |
| 23:00 | <Chutt> | no |
| 23:00 | <Chutt> | the missing slash at the beginning is. |
| 23:01 | <PktLoss> | the missing slash at the begining was a typo on my part |
| 23:01 | <Chutt> | which you didn't type in, apparently. |
| 23:01 | <Chutt> | then it can't write to that directory. |
| 23:01 | <mdz> | the RPMs use /var/{cache,lib}/mythtv? hmm |
| 23:01 | <Chutt> | mdz, axel copied your debs pretty closely |
| 23:02 | <Chutt> | which is probably a good thing =) |
| 23:02 | <Chutt> | though he doesn't handle db stuff |
| 23:03 | <Chutt> | you're the only packager that didn't punt on db upgrades =) |
| 23:04 | <PktLoss> | cool, ive got sound now |
| 23:04 | <mdz> | I wonder whether it actually makes it simpler |
| 23:04 | <mdz> | so many people manage to screw it up |
| 23:04 | <mdz> | the initial setup anyway |
| 23:04 | <Chutt> | mdz, db stuff's going in the program post 0.11 |
| 23:05 | <mdz> | yeah, heard you say that the other day |
| 23:05 | <mdz> | that's the easy part, really |
| 23:05 | <mdz> | about 4 lines in the postinst for each version upgrade |
| 23:05 | <Chutt> | one less step |
| 23:06 | <mdz> | the mysql maintainer relented and now mysql-server defaults to starting automatically |
| 23:06 | <Chutt> | going to have it try to connect without a password, then prompt if that doesn't work |
| 23:06 | <Chutt> | etc |
| 23:06 | <mdz> | so I should be able to demoronize the instructions a bit more |
| 23:06 | <mdz> | hmm, that'd be nice if it could run without any config file |
| 23:07 | <Chutt> | well |
| 23:07 | <Chutt> | i'll still have mysql.txt, i suppose |
| 23:07 | <Chutt> | kinda need that |
| 23:07 | <Chutt> | especially for remote access |
| 23:07 | <mdz> | but for a local db with no password, it should be able to be optional |
| 23:08 | <Chutt> | if not found, do local only access? |
| 23:08 | <Chutt> | i even pondered switching to sqlite or whatnot, but that'd require me writing a network abstraction library |
| 23:09 | <Chutt> | and i didn't really want to reimplement all that =) |
| 23:09 | <mdz> | that's the one that GPE uses, right? |
| 23:09 | <Chutt> | think so |
| 23:09 | <Chutt> | it's just a lib |
| 23:09 | <Chutt> | no access controls |
| 23:09 | <Chutt> | but i think it's able to be multi-threaded from a single app |
| 23:09 | <mdz> | probably slower than mysql |
| 23:10 | <Chutt> | eh, they say it's faster |
| 23:10 | <Chutt> | for some things |
| 23:10 | <mdz> | for small dbs maybe |
| 23:10 | <Chutt> | but i really didn't want to write an abstraction layer for it |
| 23:10 | <mdz> | since presumably it doesn't have a protocol |
| 23:10 | <Chutt> | so remote stuff could access it |
| 23:10 | <mdz> | it just does direct file access, right? |
| 23:10 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 23:11 | <Chutt> | or i could just write my own little server for everything |
| 23:11 | <Chutt> | but, really, that's a tad overboard |
| 23:12 | <mdz> | sqlrelay could be a network layer for sqlite |
| 23:12 | <mdz> | I've never used it |
| 23:21 | <PktLoss> | what are the keyboard shortcuts to change channels and the like, it started, played sound, and a blank screen |
| 23:21 | <mikegrb> | Chutt: the V4L API looks pretty straight forward, thank you for your sugestion of just writing something myself |
| 23:21 | <Chutt> | pktloss, there's an error on the frontend console. |
| 23:21 | <PktLoss> | no theres not, theres no console. |
| 23:22 | <Chutt> | whereever you ran the frontend from. |
| 23:22 | <PktLoss> | i clicked on the icon |
| 23:22 | <Chutt> | don't do that until you get things running. |
| 23:24 | <PktLoss> | hmm |
| 23:25 | <PktLoss> | open: no such file or directory (liek 20 times) |
| 23:25 | <Chutt> | you didn't read the docs at all, did you? |
| 23:25 | <PktLoss> | I did |
| 23:25 | <Chutt> | when you first run mythfrontend, you need to go through the settings section. |
| 23:25 | <Chutt> | you didn't do that. |
| 23:26 | <PktLoss> | When you start mythfrontend, you should have a number of choices. Before doing anything, go to TV, then to Setup and configure the frontend client. |
| 23:26 | <Chutt> | it's just 'setup' now, of course. |
| 23:26 | <Chutt> | but that should be pretty obvious. |
| 23:27 | <PktLoss> | I have been through these screens. Obviously i should have changed something i didnt |
| 23:27 | <Chutt> | you at the very least need to go into the general section and configure your sound output device. |
| 23:27 | <Chutt> | you didn't do that |
| 23:28 | <Chutt> | which is why the first error (before the open: no such file or directory) was something like "Opening OSS audio device ''." |
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| 23:28 | <courtlr> | Chutt: When is .11 coming out? |
| 23:28 | <Chutt> | whenever i decide to put it out |
| 23:30 | <PktLoss> | Chutt how do i exit myth front end? |
| 23:30 | <Chutt> | you go into the general setup section and configure a shutdown key |
| 23:31 | <courtlr> | Is their going to be power management features in .11? |
| 23:31 | <Chutt> | power management features? |
| 23:31 | <courtlr> | Like poweroff, and settings a BIOS wakeup time? |
| 23:32 | <Chutt> | you can make it shutdown |
| 23:32 | <PktLoss> | How can i tell what /dev/dsp* my sound card is, that information doesnt show anywhere else. |
| 23:32 | <mikegrb> | gosh |
| 23:32 | <Chutt> | the automatic wakeup stuff wasn't ever finished, and i have no intention of doing that myself |
| 23:32 | <mikegrb> | ls -l /dev/dsp* |
| 23:32 | <Chutt> | pktloss, just use /dev/dsp |
| 23:33 | <courtlr> | After a recording has ended? |
| 23:33 | <Chutt> | courtlr, not automatically, no |
| 23:33 | <courtlr> | ok |
| 23:34 | <PktLoss> | That is what I am using, and restarting the client gives the same error message as before |
| 23:34 | <Chutt> | did you go through the entire wizard section and hit finish? |
| 23:34 | <PktLoss> | i did |
| 23:34 | <Chutt> | did you type in the dsp name, or use the arrow keys |
| 23:34 | <PktLoss> | However, the audio from the first run is still playing |
| 23:34 | <PktLoss> | I used the arrow keys |
| 23:34 | <Chutt> | it's not playing any audio. |
| 23:35 | <Chutt> | you're hearing the pass through |
| 23:35 | <PktLoss> | okay |
| 23:35 | <mikegrb> | PktLoss: are you sure you even glanced at the docs on the website? |
| 23:35 | <Chutt> | allright, that's all the free tech support i'm doing tonight |
| 23:35 | <Chutt> | there's mailing list archives which would've answered pretty much everything you've asked so far |
| 23:35 | <mikegrb> | PktLoss: that specifically is mentioned in the docs |
| 23:36 | <mikegrb> | PktLoss: OSS and ALSA have entire sections, you didn't even know what they are |
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| 23:37 | * mikegrb | calls EMS |
| 23:37 | <mikegrb> | er |
| 23:39 | <PktLoss> | The title Setting up ALSA and the mixer i skipped, I would wait untill i had both audio and video before worrying about sync, volume, and the like |
| 23:39 | <mikegrb> | it isn't optional |
| 23:39 | <mikegrb> | without going through there you have no audio at allo |
| 23:39 | <mikegrb> | and without audio it wont even try to do video |
| 23:42 | <PktLoss> | The non alsa instructions are short. And didn't involve changing anything. |
| 23:45 | <PktLoss> | the backend setup, and database fill for the xmltv went perfectly |
| 23:45 | <mikegrb> | you still have to setup up the mixer settings rather you use alsa or oss |
| 23:46 | <PktLoss> | I did the graphical set up with OSS, volumes and mutes were already as recomended |
| 23:46 | <mikegrb> | obviously not if you are hearing sound after exiting mythtv |
| 23:47 | <PktLoss> | i forcibly ended the program with gnome |
| 23:47 | <mikegrb> | then you wouldn't hear sound |
| 23:47 | <mikegrb> | no matter how you ended it |
| 23:48 | <mikegrb> | sound would not continue if you followed the directions |
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| 23:50 | <PktLoss> | Hmm |
| 23:51 | <PktLoss> | okay |
| 23:51 | <PktLoss> | Can i suggest a note (You should be muting, and selecting record for the port that the audio is connected). As it seems counter-intuitive |
| 23:53 | <mikegrb> | "Make sure your global volume (on the far left) is up. Also make sure that the "line in" section has "mute" and "record" checked and that the gain is turned up. " |
| 23:54 | <mikegrb> | seems plenty clear to me |
| 23:54 | <PktLoss> | Which assumes that you have it plugged into line in |
| 23:55 | <mikegrb> | it address it not being there |
| 23:56 | <PktLoss> | It was just a suggestion, take it as you will. |
| 23:56 | <courtlr> | Any suggestion on how to download the cvs on a windows machine and then be able to get it to compile on my myth box? |
| 23:57 | <mikegrb> | courtlr: I think there are probably cvs clients for windows, there is also a view cvs link on the web but that might not be too helpful... just a sec |
| 23:58 | <courtlr> | The cvs client for windows writes file in the DOS format, and it wont compile on linux |
| 23:59 | <PktLoss> | courtlr could you use an editor like UltraEdit to save them back in unix format |
| 23:59 | <mikegrb> | courtlr: just a sec |