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| 00:52 | <bline> | yay, I won the bid on the touchscreen |
| 00:56 | <hadees> | you going to use a touch screen for mythtv? |
| 00:56 | <bline> | yeah |
| 00:57 | <bline> | Have to attempt to hack in remote frontend to frontend events |
| 00:57 | <bline> | and make qt ignore focus |
| 00:57 | <hadees> | so it isn't going to be dual monitors? |
| 00:58 | <bline> | yeah, it is.. but people want it remote and it will solve my problems as well |
| 00:59 | <hadees> | is it going to be like remote then? |
| 00:59 | <hadees> | just used for controlling mythtv not really displaying music vis or tv or anything |
| 00:59 | <bline> | it's so people can put myth on a notepad and control the tv from that |
| 00:59 | <bline> | yeah |
| 01:00 | <bline> | or a pda maybe |
| 01:00 | <hadees> | ever heard of netremote.org, i know this isn't the best solution but it is what i plan on doing, |
| 01:00 | <hadees> | the reason it isn't the best is because it runs on windows ce |
| 01:01 | <hadees> | how ever it is open source, makes a pronto like remote, the only thing that needs to be done is write a server for linux |
| 01:01 | <bline> | it isn't going to be that hard, we already so something similar with lirc code. |
| 01:01 | <bline> | s/so/do/ |
| 01:02 | <bline> | the hard part is going to be making Qt ignore focus |
| 01:03 | <hadees> | my hard part is some said they are working on it, but i have a feeling if i want it done i will have to do it my self from scratch |
| 01:03 | <hadees> | some = someone |
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| 01:40 | <danc`> | how does everyone load bttv? mine just stopped loading automatically |
| 01:47 | <Captain_Murdoch> | sometimes let it auto-load sometimes just "/sbin/modprobe bttv" as root |
| 01:47 | <Captain_Murdoch> | with this in my /etc/modules.conf |
| 01:47 | <Captain_Murdoch> | alias char-major-81 bttv |
| 01:47 | <Captain_Murdoch> | options bttv card=10 radio=0 |
| 01:47 | <Captain_Murdoch> | options tuner type=2 |
| 01:48 | <danc`> | hmm that's what i have too. i think have a larger problem though, nothing from my modules.conf is happening |
| 01:54 | <bline> | check dmesg for errors |
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| 11:03 | <Rule> | Hello folks. Can anyone explain to me how the mythtv commercial detection (basically) works ? |
| 11:06 | <Captain_Murdoch> | basic code detects blank frames then checks for blank frames that occur within a certain number of frames of each other (ie, about 30 seconds, about 60 seconds, etc.). newer code can also use a preliminary form of scene change detection based upon color histograms to detect segments of video with high rates of scene change. there's an option to use blank frame w/ scene change detection as well. |
| 11:06 | <Rule> | ic |
| 11:07 | <Rule> | trying to research a bit beforehand if it would work here |
| 11:07 | <Rule> | I think it will |
| 11:07 | <Captain_Murdoch> | also applies a little inteligence as to partial commercials at the beginning and end of videos followed by or preceeded by another commercial. |
| 11:07 | <Captain_Murdoch> | "here" where? |
| 11:07 | <Rule> | belgium |
| 11:08 | <Captain_Murdoch> | oh. :) if you have fixed-length commercials and they are usually separated by blank/blank/dark frames then it may work. you can always try just turning on the scene change detection code but that's nowhere near as accurate as the blank frame code can be if that works. |
| 11:08 | <Rule> | I think it might be seperated by blue frames |
| 11:09 | <Rule> | but I'm not sure |
| 11:09 | <sfr> | Rule fyi, some german users tested it and it worked ok (including me but i only tested it once so far) |
| 11:09 | <Rule> | ok |
| 11:09 | <Rule> | I'm still researching what video tuner to get |
| 11:10 | <Captain_Murdoch> | so you don't have Myth running yet? |
| 11:10 | <Rule> | I have a proof of concept |
| 11:10 | <Captain_Murdoch> | but no tuner? |
| 11:10 | <Rule> | with hardware I already have |
| 11:10 | <Rule> | indeed |
| 11:11 | <Rule> | I think I might buy that hauppage pvr250 |
| 11:11 | <sfr> | Rule mythtv went beyond proof-of-concept a looong time ago ;-) |
| 11:11 | <Rule> | for me :) |
| 11:11 | <Captain_Murdoch> | ok. then you can go into the editor in Myth's player and seek to the frame/frames separating a commercial to see what color they are. also check to see how long commercials are to see if they fall between the 30/45/60/90/120 second intervals that are checked by the commercial detection code. |
| 11:11 | <Rule> | need to set it up a bit, etc.. show it to housemates... |
| 11:12 | <Rule> | ok |
| 11:12 | <Captain_Murdoch> | do you have high-speed internet? |
| 11:12 | <Rule> | yes |
| 11:12 | <Rule> | 10mbit ;) |
| 11:12 | <Rule> | well theoretically... a download from mirrors at 1 mbyte/s |
| 11:12 | <Rule> | why ? |
| 11:13 | <Captain_Murdoch> | ok. I wrote the commercial skip/detection code. so well if it doesn't work for you then if you wanted sometime you could put up a file for me and I could take a look at it. |
| 11:13 | <Captain_Murdoch> | oops, hit enter too soon. :) |
| 11:13 | <Rule> | cool |
| 11:13 | <Rule> | I now need to figure out the status of the CLE266 drivers |
| 11:13 | <Rule> | especially the mpeg2 decoder |
| 11:14 | <Rule> | (via EPIA M boards) |
| 11:14 | <Captain_Murdoch> | oh well. yeah. I can take a look sometime if it doesn't work out of the box for you. I've got a list of other ways to try to detect commercials but have been spending too much time on other stuff/features recently. |
| 11:14 | <Rule> | anyone here have experience with those ? |
| 11:14 | <Captain_Murdoch> | mpeg2 decoders aren't supported in Myth. |
| 11:14 | <Rule> | well myth can call mplayer, right ? |
| 11:14 | <Rule> | to play DVD |
| 11:15 | <Captain_Murdoch> | for playing .avi and dvd yes. |
| 11:15 | <Rule> | oki |
| 11:15 | <Captain_Murdoch> | for playing anything really but it doesn't use mplayer internally for playback of .nuv files. |
| 11:15 | <Rule> | yes I figured as much |
| 11:15 | <Rule> | does it use its own code ? or a lib ? or what ? :) |
| 11:16 | <Rule> | dont have mpeg2 files now, things to check still .. :/ |
| 11:17 | <Captain_Murdoch> | uses included libraries for decoding/encoding and display stuff was written by Chutt (Isaac) I think. |
| 11:19 | <Rule> | any work planned to support decoders ? |
| 11:20 | <Rule> | argh, the usb video capture thing hangs again :/ |
| 11:22 | <Captain_Murdoch> | dunno about decoders. problem with most is that we'd have to reencode any non-mpeg2 video as well as encode the OSD to get it to display unless they support a framebuffer overlay. I think the ivtv driver is working on a framebuffer but not sure. |
| 11:22 | <Rule> | I read that |
| 11:22 | <Rule> | somewhere |
| 11:47 | <Rule> | http://www.snowman.net/pipermail/mythtv-users/2003-July/010736.html |
| 11:47 | <Rule> | apparantly there is no overlay, at least not 1 month ago :) |
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| 11:55 | <brtb> | not sure what i'm doing wrong... "unable to initialize plugin 'mythmusic'" |
| 11:55 | <Captain_Murdoch> | is that a fresh cvs checkout? |
| 11:57 | <brtb> | fresh as in a few days ago |
| 11:57 | <brtb> | something wrong with it? |
| 11:59 | <Captain_Murdoch> | not sure. I just updated my main frontend to current CVS yesterday and can't start mythmusic either anymore. just make sure I applied cvs.sql as well. |
| 11:59 | <brtb> | yah |
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| 12:01 | <brtb> | just built a new box so i started form a clean DB... put in the mc.sql for the main, no problems there, put in metadata.sql for the music stuff, and there aren |
| 12:01 | <brtb> | 't any changes in cvs.sql for that |
| 12:02 | <Captain_Murdoch> | not sure. I haven't messed with mythmusic in months but figured I'd update that as well when updating my frontend and backend. |
| 12:21 | <brtb> | recompiling with debug |
| 12:34 | <Captain_Murdoch> | I haven't used myth in a lonnnnnggg time. :) I never installed flac and libcdaudio on my new myth frontend so I couldn't run the plugin. I compile everything on my fast Athlon then just run "make install" on the various frontend/backend machines. mythmusic plugin wouldn't run because it was missing flac and cdaudio libraries on that frontend. |
| 12:43 | <brtb> | well slack came with flac, vorbis and paranoia, I installed MAD and then it didn't have any trouble compiling |
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| 12:47 | <robertj> | what could cause playback of live tv to hitch when recording is fine and there is plenty of cpu power left over? |
| 12:48 | <paulproteus> | disk access? |
| 12:48 | <robertj> | but why would that cause a problem? |
| 12:49 | <robertj> | theres not that much data being pushed pulled |
| 12:49 | <robertj> | I think its a 5400 rpm hd, but still |
| 12:49 | <robertj> | Chutt looked at my hdparm output and said things were normal |
| 12:49 | <robertj> | Im leaning towards drivers, but noone is answering my question on alsa-devel |
| 12:50 | <robertj> | I suppose i really ought to try a 2.6 kernel |
| 12:53 | <paulproteus> | I have an Xbox as a MythMusic + MythWeather system. |
| 12:53 | <paulproteus> | I could give it a wireless keyboard, but is there a nicer solution for a less "intrusive" remote control? |
| 13:04 | <robertj> | paulproteus: rf remote control perhaps interfaced to another computer sending events over tcpip to the xbox? |
| 13:04 | <paulproteus> | I can plug USB in. |
| 13:04 | <paulproteus> | Is there an RF USB remote that's not too expensive? :) |
| 13:05 | <paulproteus> | And/or, would Myth support an RF USB remote? |
| 13:06 | <sfr> | paulproteus if it's supported by lirc, then yes i'd think |
| 13:10 | <paulproteus> | Are there any plans to add song selection to MythMusic? |
| 13:10 | <paulproteus> | I mean, by typing or somehow asking for a single song. |
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| 13:13 | <paulproteus> | Anyone have any experience with the ATI Remote Wonder? |
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| 13:22 | <mdz> | does the brightness/contrast/hue stuff only work with V4L2? |
| 13:23 | <sfr> | mdz there was bug which prevented it from working with v4l, but it was fixed a long time ago, + the keyboard mapping has changed see keys.txt |
| 13:24 | <mdz> | sfr: it's returning -1 |
| 13:24 | <mdz> | I'll fix it to print an error message when it does that |
| 13:24 | <sfr> | mdz mythtv from cvs? |
| 13:24 | <mdz> | sfr: yep |
| 13:25 | <sfr> | mdz, ah, i wondered you asking this kind of question :) didn't update since a week. |
| 13:26 | <mdz> | ah, GetV4L1 field interprets the V4L2 constants and does the right thing |
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| 13:38 | <mdz> | looks like bttv in 2.4.21 is fucked |
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| 14:36 | <matt_> | i have some questions about how surround sound would work with myth...anyone around? |
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| 14:41 | <cerveza> | has anyone out there gotten a voodoo3 3500 card working with mythtv? |
| 14:41 | <cerveza> | http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?p=456112 |
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| 14:50 | <robertj> | when do you need to do between ./configure and make when compiling cvs? |
| 14:51 | <sfr> | robertj nothing |
| 14:51 | <robertj> | make: Makefile: Not a directory |
| 14:52 | <robertj> | dunno, updated from cvs and it fixed that error |
| 14:52 | <sfr> | robertj so it's working now? |
| 14:55 | <robertj> | satisfying deps now |
| 14:57 | <robertj> | making now though |
| 15:00 | <robertj> | between installing apache and compiling cvs, something tells me I might be dropping frames in my recording :) |
| 15:00 | <robertj> | I bet its also a BadIdea(TM) to alter you db schema on the fly as well ;) |
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| 15:57 | <matt_> | hm |
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| 15:59 | <mattf> | <matt_> hm |
| 15:59 | <mattf> | <matt_> using aplay /dev/dsp, i get output on all of my 4.1 speakers (left, center, right, rear, and sub) |
| 15:59 | <mattf> | <matt_> when watching tv, i only get output on the sub and left |
| 15:59 | <mattf> | <matt_> any ideas what's up? i think i remember seeing something on the list about a bug where there was only output on the left speaker |
| 15:59 | <mattf> | (i said that before but i'm pretty sure none of it went through) |
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| 16:13 | <mattf> | or just unmuting the line in plays on all the speakers also |
| 16:13 | <mattf> | so i don't know what myth is doing, but it's not right |
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| 16:27 | <robertj> | is mythtv-setup in the mythtv module in CVS still? |
| 16:28 | <mattf> | the actual program? |
| 16:28 | <mattf> | it's there... mythtv/setup/setup |
| 16:29 | <sfr> | robertj i think so, did you check via browse-cvs to find out? |
| 16:29 | <mattf> | http://cvs.mythtv.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/mythtv/setup/ |
| 16:30 | <robertj> | i installed mythtv and its running but I dont see the resulting binary around |
| 16:30 | <robertj> | does it have to be built seperately? |
| 16:30 | <sfr> | robertj the setup binary? |
| 16:30 | <mattf> | make install doesn't install setup |
| 16:30 | <mattf> | you have to run it from the cvs dir |
| 16:31 | <mattf> | what you can do is |
| 16:31 | <mattf> | cp $CVSROOT/mythtv/setup/setup /usr/local/bin/mythtv-setup |
| 16:31 | <robertj> | I think thats alright... |
| 16:32 | <robertj> | I think I should just copy my old config to the cvs dir |
| 16:33 | * robertj | wonders how well mythtv-setup jives over X |
| 16:33 | <robertj> | anser: not well |
| 16:34 | <sfr> | robertj just fine |
| 16:34 | <robertj> | sfr: im not getting anything but the background |
| 16:34 | <robertj> | there we go |
| 16:34 | <sfr> | robertj you're actually talking about running setup via a remote X connection? |
| 16:35 | <robertj> | yeah |
| 16:35 | <robertj> | actually I need to change a setting through the normal frontend |
| 16:35 | <sfr> | robertj i run it sometimes via ssh -X backend and it works ok. |
| 16:35 | <robertj> | its just slow, thats all |
| 16:36 | <robertj> | im on 802.11b anyway |
| 16:36 | <sfr> | robertj could be. 100Mbs ethernet here |
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| 16:46 | <mattf> | does anyone know what myth actually does with sound, starting with the line in and ending with line out? |
| 16:50 | <sfr> | mattf not really, imho it will record from your soundcards capture input, sync the video stream to it and play it back, but i guess you already knew that ;) |
| 16:52 | <mattf> | yea |
| 16:54 | <Chutt> | it plays back exactly what it records. |
| 16:55 | <robertj> | Chutt: is libflac-dev from sid no good for building mythmusic? |
| 16:55 | <Chutt> | no, it should be fine. |
| 16:56 | <mattf> | i just don't get why i only get output on the left speaker |
| 16:56 | <Chutt> | mattf, probably because it's only recording on the left channel for some reason. |
| 16:59 | <robertj> | what about libmad0? |
| 16:59 | <robertj> | maddecoder.cpp: In member function `virtual Metadata* |
| 16:59 | <robertj> | MadDecoder::getMetadata(QSqlDatabase*)': |
| 16:59 | <robertj> | maddecoder.cpp:600: error: `assert' undeclared (first use this function) |
| 16:59 | <mattf> | how does dolby encoded surround sound work? are all the other channels (right, center, rear, etc.) all encoded into the right channel? |
| 16:59 | <Chutt> | robertj, update your checkout. |
| 16:59 | <robertj> | oky |
| 16:59 | <Chutt> | mattf, dolby surround encodes all sound into the left and right channels. |
| 17:00 | <Chutt> | the 'center' channel is any audio that's the same on both channels |
| 17:00 | <robertj> | there we go, thanks |
| 17:00 | <Chutt> | and the 'rear' is anything out of phase |
| 17:00 | <Chutt> | essentially |
| 17:01 | <hadees> | what is the average file size created for 1hr of video recorded from an hardware mpeg 2 board |
| 17:01 | <Chutt> | it's anything you tell it to be. |
| 17:01 | <paulproteus> | 4KB ? |
| 17:01 | <robertj> | 42kb |
| 17:01 | <Chutt> | well, within reason =) |
| 17:02 | <mattf> | hmm |
| 17:02 | <hadees> | i know i can set it up to anything, how ever i don't have one yet so i was wondering what the consensus was |
| 17:02 | <sfr> | Chutt, how difficult would it be to select either the left/right channel to be recorded and played back on both channels (this is for movies with two languages being transmitted, one per channel) |
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| 17:03 | <Chutt> | sfr, shouldn't be _terribly_ difficult, but i'd make that a playback option |
| 17:03 | <Chutt> | record both, etc. hardest part would be selecting which channel to play |
| 17:04 | <hadees> | how large would the files be for an 1hr of TV quality |
| 17:05 | <mdz> | robertj: libflac-dev from testing/unstable is the only version which will work, in fact |
| 17:05 | <mdz> | the 1.0.2 in woody is too old |
| 17:05 | <mdz> | (and incompatible) |
| 17:05 | <Chutt> | mdz, do you ever communicate with flac upstream? |
| 17:05 | <Chutt> | having an 'assert.h' is fucking stupid. |
| 17:05 | <mdz> | Chutt: yeah, flac has been pretty dead upstream for a while now though |
| 17:06 | <mdz> | he's at LWE right now |
| 17:06 | <robertj> | I'm getting pretty mad at this ghetto driver |
| 17:06 | <hadees> | i am really trying to fine out how large a HD i should buy |
| 17:06 | <anduinw> | hadees - how long is a cubit? |
| 17:06 | <robertj> | and alsa has to have some of the worst support of any major linux subsystem |
| 17:06 | <Chutt> | someone who went to lwe should let me know if VIA really did demo myth |
| 17:06 | <mdz> | Chutt: yeah, that should really be called something else |
| 17:07 | <mdz> | though, it is FLAC/assert.h, so it shouldn't conflict with <assert.h> |
| 17:07 | <Chutt> | right |
| 17:07 | <Chutt> | but i can't just blindly include /usr/include/FLAC to deal with redhat's brokenness |
| 17:07 | <Chutt> | because of that |
| 17:07 | <hadees> | anduirw: A measure of length, being the distance from the elbow to |
| 17:07 | <hadees> | the extremity of the middle finger. |
| 17:08 | <anduinw> | hadees - exactly, it varies. I don't think you'll ever buy too large a drive. |
| 17:08 | <mdz> | Chutt: get my message about the ia64 experiment? got playback more or less working, except that the OSS driver for that card sucks |
| 17:08 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 17:08 | <Chutt> | cool |
| 17:09 | <robertj> | is there any place a driver might store its options besides in modules.conf? |
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| 17:09 | <mdz> | it didn't have DSP_CAP_REALTIME |
| 17:09 | <Chutt> | anduinw, i'm merging in your patches now, btw |
| 17:09 | <robertj> | It's like the defualt sampling rate has been permenantly changed |
| 17:09 | <robertj> | even across reboots, and I just edited the moduels.conf so the update-moduels should have fixed that... |
| 17:09 | <anduinw> | chutt - even the ones you didn't like? I showed up here to try to justify them btw :) |
| 17:10 | <mdz> | Chutt: unfortunately, if we wanted to support it for real, we'd have to break file format compatibility |
| 17:10 | <hadees> | anduinw: well how big is your mythtv drive |
| 17:10 | <Chutt> | the extra functions? |
| 17:10 | <Chutt> | i'm just removing em |
| 17:10 | <Chutt> | mdz, heh, for 64bit safeness? |
| 17:10 | <mdz> | Chutt: alignment |
| 17:10 | <mdz> | extendeddata has 64-bit elements that aren't aligned on a 64-bit boundary |
| 17:10 | <anduinw> | hadees - the master has a 120 GB, the slave has a 160 GB. |
| 17:11 | <mdz> | if there had been an even number of ints before the first long long, everything would have been OK |
| 17:11 | <Chutt> | aah |
| 17:11 | <mdz> | but it's odd |
| 17:11 | <Chutt> | can't you specify the structure as packed? |
| 17:11 | <mdz> | maybe |
| 17:11 | <Chutt> | that should fix it |
| 17:11 | <mdz> | but the CPU might require that alignment |
| 17:11 | <Chutt> | it's slower to read in, of course |
| 17:11 | <Chutt> | hmm |
| 17:11 | <anduinw> | Chutt - they're not extra, they allow it to function based entirely on the thread state rather than some explicit error condition |
| 17:11 | <mdz> | well, I guess you could just read them in one at a time |
| 17:12 | <mdz> | instead of reading the whole struct as one blob |
| 17:12 | <hadees> | anduinw: and how many hours does your frontend usally hold? and do you use mpeg 2 or mpeg 4 |
| 17:12 | <mdz> | that would fix it too |
| 17:13 | <Chutt> | mdz, i _think_ putting an attribute(__packed__) or however you format it should work |
| 17:13 | <mdz> | could be |
| 17:13 | <mdz> | will that automatically fix up unaligned memory access? |
| 17:13 | <anduinw> | hadees - mpeg 2 (I have several pvr 250s). How many hours is a function of the bit rate I use though. I've tried a few and have pretty much settled on 4mb VBR (1 hour = about 2 GB) |
| 17:14 | <mdz> | so that when you go to access the 64-bit values, it would need to do it as 2 32-bit loads or something instead of one |
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| 17:14 | <Chutt> | hm |
| 17:14 | <Chutt> | i dunno |
| 17:14 | <hadees> | anduinw: thank you |
| 17:15 | <anduinw> | hadees - I live to serve. |
| 17:15 | <Chutt> | anduinw, but setting that variable could easily be done elsewhere, so i don't see the need for the specific functions, especially as they're only used in one place each |
| 17:17 | <anduinw> | Chutt - I didn't use an explicit variable because I made it a laziness catch. Not honoring external expectations was how the problem started. By making the check whether the thread was still alive rather than some error state I was attempting to ensure that when someone adds another error check to the decoder thread they don't inadvertently cause another unending loop. |
| 17:18 | <anduinw> | Chutt - As for the one place argument, well yeah, but only because I didn't fix other places :) |
| 17:19 | <anduinw> | Chutt - still I can see your objection, as I said I just came to plead for the life of my changes. |
| 17:20 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 17:20 | <Chutt> | they're going in |
| 17:20 | <Chutt> | just slightly changed :p |
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| 17:21 | <mdz> | Chutt: I think I'm going to modify README to strongly recommend Qt 3.1 |
| 17:21 | <Chutt> | thanks |
| 17:21 | <bline> | morning |
| 17:21 | <Chutt> | i'm planning on doing so in the release announcement as well |
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| 17:22 | <anduinw> | Chutt - I've mentioned this before and didn't get a response. How sold is everyone on QSocket? |
| 17:22 | <Chutt> | i'd like to replace it |
| 17:22 | <Chutt> | just too lazy |
| 17:22 | <Chutt> | and it does have some nice features |
| 17:22 | <Chutt> | but it'd be nice not to have it need the event loop |
| 17:23 | <Chutt> | every time it goes to use the network |
| 17:23 | <anduinw> | Chutt - exactly, and no more close events firing from any thread and crashing everything! |
| 17:23 | <Chutt> | heh, yup. |
| 17:23 | <mdz> | Chutt: hey, __attribute__((packed)) seems to work fine |
| 17:23 | <mdz> | you have to specify it on each element of the struct to be packed, though |
| 17:23 | <Chutt> | i think it may be __attribute__((__packed__)) |
| 17:23 | <Chutt> | at the end of the struct |
| 17:24 | <mdz> | in gcc 3.3 at least, it's __attribute__((packed)) |
| 17:24 | <Chutt> | hrm |
| 17:24 | <mdz> | according to the docs, and it seems to have worked when applied to the last 3 leements of struct extendeddata |
| 17:25 | <Chutt> | anduinw, so you want to write a little replacement class? =) |
| 17:26 | <Chutt> | QSocketDevice may be a decent starting point, i believe it's a rather low level socket wrapper |
| 17:26 | <anduinw> | it used to be that only the windows port of egcs allowed easy entire struct packing attributes (so they could support the MSVC #pragma pack(push, 1) sort of stuff), normal gcc forced you to set the attribute on every member. _maybe_ this has changed. |
| 17:27 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 17:27 | <anduinw> | Chutt - A replacement class, and a slight architectural change. Make the threads more responsible for the lifetime of sockets... somewhat minor. |
| 17:27 | <Chutt> | anduinw, that's cool. i'd be happy with that |
| 17:28 | <Chutt> | as for your lirc patch, all i did was remove the namespace (since they're not used anywhere else, really), and move the ifdef around customEvent inside the class |
| 17:28 | <Chutt> | err, inside the function |
| 17:28 | <Chutt> | so customEvent's always there |
| 17:29 | <anduinw> | Chutt - good to hear, I'll take a crack at it then. |
| 17:30 | <bline> | wasn't someone talking about makeing mythfrontend recieve events from other mythfrontends? |
| 17:30 | <Chutt> | external sources |
| 17:30 | <Chutt> | not necessarily other mythfrontends |
| 17:30 | <bline> | did anyone ever do any code? |
| 17:31 | <Chutt> | no, that was thor |
| 17:31 | <anduinw> | Chutt - yeah sorry about the namespace, I just didn't want to throw the enum global after I decided someday someone might want to send a different sort of lirc event. The ifdef move was probably a good one, make sure you get the one I stuck in the header as well :) |
| 17:31 | <Chutt> | he got distracted by the dvd stuff |
| 17:31 | <bline> | ok, cause I won the bid on the touch screen |
| 17:33 | <Chutt> | oh, i made that enum a constant, too |
| 17:36 | <anduinw> | Chutt - Just because of the warning? |
| 17:36 | <Chutt> | naw, just because i don't like single element enums |
| 17:36 | <anduinw> | ah |
| 17:39 | <Chutt> | sfr, aside from all the tabs, your patch looks fine to me |
| 17:41 | <sfr> | Chutt, sorry for that, i'll have to check how to convert tabs to spaces in vim, any reason why you don't like them? |
| 17:41 | <anduinw> | set expandtab, :retab |
| 17:42 | <sfr> | ok, i will try to remember it. |
| 17:42 | <mdz> | .vimrc |
| 17:42 | <anduinw> | i do a set ts=4 sw=4 expandtab whenever I'm playing with myth source |
| 17:42 | <mdz> | you can add a magic comment to the end of each file to do that automatically |
| 17:42 | <mdz> | dunno how Chutt feels about those |
| 17:44 | <anduinw> | yeah that last thing was what I worried about, can also do local .vimrc but you need to sprinkle them in various dirs |
| 17:44 | <Chutt> | eh |
| 17:44 | <Chutt> | i don't like em, but.. =) |
| 17:44 | <Chutt> | sfr, mainly, i don't like mixing tabs and spaces in the same file |
| 17:45 | <sfr> | i just corrected the obvious (to me) places |
| 17:46 | <Chutt> | want to resend it to me off list? |
| 17:47 | <sfr> | np |
| 17:47 | <Chutt> | thanks =) |
| 17:52 | <sfr> | Chutt btw, i'm not experiencing these 'unknown command ??UERY_RECODER' segfaults anymore. it might have been related to some package in sid |
| 17:53 | <Chutt> | sfr, i rewrote that code |
| 17:53 | <sfr> | Chutt i must have missed the related cvs commit |
| 17:54 | <Chutt> | i don't think i mentioned that error message specifically |
| 17:54 | <Chutt> | but i changed how that all worked |
| 17:54 | <Chutt> | wasn't sure if it'd fix that or not, but it seemed like a good idea |
| 17:54 | <sfr> | so what 'area' was the bug in? |
| 17:54 | <Chutt> | if you do see it again, let me know please |
| 17:55 | <Chutt> | i don't know, i never got any more info than what you provided |
| 17:56 | <robertj> | Chutt: mythmusic is playing things at maby 1/2 speed, and they sound fine in xmms |
| 17:56 | <robertj> | any ideas? |
| 17:56 | <Chutt> | nope |
| 17:56 | <sfr> | but i see the (remote) mythfrontend stopping to accept any keyboard input, have to CTRL-C it and restart. |
| 17:57 | <Chutt> | which output driver are you using in xmms? |
| 17:57 | <Chutt> | sfr, ctl-c it in gdb sometime, and send me a bt of where it's hung up |
| 17:57 | <Chutt> | after recompiling for debugging, of course |
| 17:58 | <robertj> | ahh,, found it. myth music has it's own dsp config |
| 17:58 | <sfr> | Chutt when it happens it still plays tv fine, just the keyboard input isn't processed. |
| 17:58 | <Chutt> | huh |
| 17:59 | <Chutt> | sure it isn't losing focus somehow? |
| 17:59 | <Chutt> | i'd still need to see a backtrace if at all possible |
| 17:59 | <sfr> | i don't think, i'm using windowmaker |
| 17:59 | <Chutt> | robertj, yeah, that code hasn't been merged yet |
| 18:00 | <sfr> | Chutt how can i get the backtrace without hitting CTRL-C then? or is that ok then. |
| 18:00 | <Chutt> | switch to the gdb terminal |
| 18:00 | <Chutt> | and hit ctl-c in there -- it'll break it and allow you to get a backtrace of all the threads |
| 18:01 | <sfr> | ok, will try that some time. |
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| 18:46 | <kja> | how do you feel about making channel changes 'snappier'? |
| 18:47 | <anduinw> | quick channel changes, bah, who'd want that? (sorry someone had to say it) |
| 18:50 | <kja> | it just annoys me more and more, feels like it takes a half an hour to change channels ;) |
| 18:52 | <kja> | i've done some peeking, and it seems to me that mythtv might require some light reconstructive sugury to make it happen |
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| 19:02 | <brtb> | music works now, no idea why |
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| 21:29 | <cerveza> | can anyone help me get this voodoo3 3500 tv card working with mythtv? it works fine with xawtv |
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| 22:13 | <mikegrb> | I love you |
| 22:13 | <mikegrb> | oops |
| 22:13 | <mikegrb> | wrong window, was supposed to go to my wife |
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| 22:29 | <bline> | Chutt: you around? |
| 23:27 | <bline> | if you see this in scroll back, I added a MythApplication class that has a x11EventFilter in it to filter out events that would unfocus the app. With this class I can irc in on screen and use my remote on myth in the other. |
| 23:28 | <bline> | Not sure if you want a patch for this, it is rather a hack. |